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Monday, January 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  150 responses

Carmelo Anthony Wondering if the Knicks’ Struggles Are His Fault


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

It was inevitable, really. Here were the Denver Nuggets, a cohesive and unselfish unit, strolling into the Garden to take on the mess that is otherwise known as the New York Knicks.

Denver’s crushing double-overtime victory handed the reeling Knicks their 6th consecutive loss, and created ever more panic for their dejected fanbase and increasingly cynical media. As for the players themselves, Carmelo Anthony finds himself in need of some serious soul-searching.

The former Nugget wondered aloud if he was to blame for the Knicks’ woes, and Anthony says that he would like for his co-workers not to be afraid to tell him if this is the case. From the NY Daily News and Newsday:

“There is a bunch of stuff that goes through my mind,” Anthony said after the Knicks lost their sixth straight, including four at home in six days. “What am I doing? What am I not doing? I have been in this situation before when shots don’t go in. Should I pass it more? I am sitting there thinking. Maybe I should take the blame for the games we are losing … our offensive struggles. I will take it [...] “I am hard-headed at times as far as them telling me to sit down some games,” he added. “I don’t know how to take that but maybe it is time to reevaluate that.”

“We as a team need to do a better job getting Amar’e the ball,” Anthony said Saturday. “I have the ball in my hands. Maybe it’s on me. Maybe I need to get him the ball a little bit more, help him out with that. Me and [Stoudemire] will talk, try to figure it out together. If I’m doing too much, I want him to tell me. I want the guys on my team to tell me if I’m doing too much. We handle it like that.” Anthony said there already have been “team meetings, players meetings.” But this one-to-one seems long overdue.

The blame game in New York has shifted from head coach Mike D’Antoni, to ‘Melo, the lack of a productive point guard and bench, and finally Amar’e Stoudemire. As Anthony points out, STAT hasn’t been aggressive on the offensive end this season (to say nothing of his shortcomings on defense and the boards.)

Carmelo Anthony is right in that needs to take a serious look in the mirror. But he’s certainly not the only Knick who should be taking that crucial step.

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  • smoove

    at least hes handling it like a man..respect

  • jayrose

    You guys need a bench and a point guard to run the show. Its pretty obvious. Shouldve kept chauncey.

  • Jono

    Yes it mostly is Carmelo. You demanded to be traded and hence the Knicks lost half their squad and a few solid role players, when you could easily have waited and signed during FA. You also don’t average 10 rebounds for such a big guy and don’t play very good D. This is the price you pay for being a lil b!tch and forcing a trade out of a good team in Denver.

  • J.C.

    Well, they took a chance. They could have kept Chauncey and continued to be a decent team that was never really in serious contention, or they could have let him go to sign Tyson Chandler. Maybe their offense would suffer for it, but maybe it would be the catalyst around which their defense would finally crystallize and allow them to take that next step towards contention. Obviously the former occurred and in retrospect it looks like a terrible move, but hindsight is always 20-20.

  • Dan

    shouldve waited for free aganecy to join the knicks. now ny doesnt have the team.
    + the knicks hired mike woodson one year too late.
    maybe letting him take over the knicks n fire dantoni could impact the knicks positively.
    plus stat and melo should do it like dirk and rest 3 to 4 games to improve their conditioning. they often look beaten up and flat footed. especially stat when he is clanging shot after shot.

  • http://yahoomail.com Paux

    yes… nyk is really a good team before you became a knick. kobe and melo has the same playing style… you see both team struggling.

  • Bravo

    Carmelo of course it’s your fault! Your scoring almost 30 points a night and not passing the rock! Amare needs to average 25 points if your team wants to great spot in the playoffs.

  • RunNGun

    Well, when the whole offense stops moving because the ball is in your hand, why isn’t it your fault?

  • ShiQ

    I love that EVERYTHING Coach Karl had been saying to Melo for like the last 5 years is not a priority of his re-evaluation. I, as a Nuggets fan had/have no hard feelings for Melo, he wanted to leave i wanted him to leave so we could move on.. But seeing My Nuggets play sefless basketball where ANYone on the team can be a star on any given night is WAY better than watching Melo have a maybe off night or hoping he is ALWAYS THE melo who makes (and takes) every shot. STAT needs the BAll pronto…However you’d have to pry it from Melo’s cold DEAD hands…I wish him the best ( of course i want him to lose tot he Nuggets) but unlike other fans..i have no hard feelings for a guy wanting to leave a city..but he says he left to contend for a championship..In NY? yeah right…he left a good Nuggets team with a GREAT HOF coach for fame and more notoriety… that’s all to it, and how he forced Denver’s hand is coming back like a KArma hurricane! but 10/30 is like ridiculous. When do you stop?

  • Wiltmj23

    Melo, slows down the offense ( the most stagnit offense I’ve seen on a d’antoni team), Amare as usual ain’t playing d ain’t grabbing boards, no bench no point guard. They were better off w/o melo. They were a deep team with Felton, wilson Chandler, and gallinari, they could have saved some money, still got Tyson Chandler, and picked up even more key peaces for a championship run. Instead the organization cared more about marketing and big names

  • Wiltmj23

    *pieces, o and d’antoni deserves alot of the blame as well, even though he needs a productive pg to run his offense, he’ll never win with no defense.

  • Heals

    Maybe it’s just me, but it seems that nationally the NYK’s are getting a huge pass for how bad they’ve been. Maybe it’s getting overshadowed by the Giants playoff run, I dunno. This team was full of talk, high expectations and it’s NY, yet not much criticism for Melo, STAT and the suits. @ShiQ, guess the grass wasn’t green, eh…

  • jimmer

    cosign J C: absoluteky spot on, they took a chance, and hindsight is chrystal-clear 20/20. But back to the present day and they are in a terrible situation now. ‘Melo’s stock is through the floor, as is Amare’s. One is a team killer, who isn’t going to miraculously transform his style and personality after 8 years in the L, the other’s a 10 year vet, bust-up knees, never one to work hard and has now shown he’s not willing to do it even with his team flat out struggling. Who would trade any of their franchise pieces for these two? How long are they locked up for and for how much? Genuine question, anyone know?

  • Mooney10

    They all need to play better, its never on one guy, but yeah 10-30 fg aint helpin. Get the ball inside and get to the line, Melo has to start learning how to come off screens and use that jumper more effectively. Amare gotta start playin! You don’t need the ball to be effective! Play d grab boards and run!!

  • http://anyoldthing Ugh

    @Jimmer: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
    The fault lies in management – principally James Dolan. He apparently knows nothing about basketball and apparently forced the trade for Melo who doesn’t, couldn’t and won’t ever fit D’Antoni’s coaching style. Unlike all the players who they traded to get him. Dolan’s incompetant, but will never sell the team because they’re alway profitable, even when the stink.

  • DeeDre

    Its not 100% anyones fault. Yeah Carmelo demanded a trade but the Knicks gave away ALOT of important pieces to get him. I was a firm believer that they were alright without Melo but Knicks hit the panic button too soon. Then they amnestied Billups and are now without any kind of point guard. Pretty soon Melo is going to have to be the proverbial point guard of the team. As in coming up the court with the ball more (his b handling is pretty good for a guy his size). Can’t rely on a Shumpert guy who constantly takes bad shots. Melo is by far the better and smarter playmaker for this team, even if he takes most of the shots himself

  • DeeDre

    Amare is more of a motion offense kind of player and you can’t do that without a solid point guard who knows the system and can pass the rock. He constantly looks for the pick n roll and rarely if ever demands the ball in the post. So what are you gonna do when everyone expects you to take the last shot?

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Haven’t watched that many Knicks games this season but saw the one vs Bucks and Melo’s D was awwwwful. And yes, I do agree with some of the above comments that they had a BETTER team pre-Melo trade.

  • bull22

    mike d’antoni will be fired before the season is over.. his NY experiment is done..glad we never got this fool in chicago.

  • Jono

    @Heals Exactly, I don’t understand why when Miami lost, everyone was on LeBron/Spoelstras a$$. Now the Knicks, who have a lil b!tch in Melo, lost 6 straight or something and you don’t see ESPN hammering them like they did on Miami last year. Can somebody explain this???

  • J.C.

    As far as I can tell one of STAT’s biggest problems isn’t just Melo, it’s having Tyson on the team as well. He’s spent his whole career on the receiving end of pick-and-rolls from Steve Nash and while he has a decent mid-range jumper, that’s pretty much the only way he knows to get his shot. Now those screen/roll plays are run for Tyson because he can’t create a shot at all on his own, and Amare is left struggling to find his own shot. This whole team is totally out of sorts, I feel like they either need a good PG, or would benefit from a coach with a different offensive system. (The triangle would work pretty well for them – they have a pair of rangy, play-making forwards in Melo and STAT and it doesn’t rely that much on a PG.)

  • DeeDre

    @Jono Not taking up for them but Miami had MUCH higher expectations last year then the Knicks. Plus the Knicks didnt joke about winning 8 championships before the season started. The media takes offense to boasts i noticed and they’re looking for any weak points to exploit you on how wrong you were. They do it all the time. If the Heat would have won they would have had 1 segment the day after about “if the Heat can repeat like they said?” and after that, nothing.

  • meloman@2.0

    Ok first of all, the reason Melo didn’t wait until free agency is because he wanted to help the Nugets out. He wanted to find a way for everyi=one to win: Knicks get their guy, Melo gets his money, Nuggets get their players. It was a much more generous act than LeBron or Bosh if you ask me

  • meloman@2.0

    and Melo had that 10-30 shooting nigh… which is awful. But you people act like he shoots that way every game. I’ve seen worse shooting performances from certain players before.. and Before he went down with his injury, Melo was shooting 45% from the field.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    This is like walking in on a Knights who say knee meeting.
    .
    .
    *grabs shrubbery and walks away*

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    Hey Melo, that should be Dolan’s line.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    …and the Knicks’ point guards have shoot first mentalities.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    STAT is averaging 8 boards a game. That’s not great, but it’s not horrible either. I mean, when was the last time Dirk got eight boards a game?
    The problem is the ridiculous drop in his shooting percentage. And I think that’s a direct result of the Knicks deciding that Tyson Chandler is a better option to run pick and roll and Amare should spot up on the weakside.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    2009

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Amar’e is shooting 41% from the field. That’s the real issue (aside from lack of defensive skill altogether).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    2008

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    2008-09. You call it 09.

  • Jono

    @DeeDre Agreed that the Heat hyped themselves out. But didn’t the Knicks enter this season saying they “expected big/great things”, didn’t Melo say they had the best front court etc. It’s not the same as LeBron sayin they gonna win 7/8 championships (which was a joke btw, don’t know why people keep repeating that, DWades knees will hold up for 3-4 more years max), but they still warrant some level of abuse and they have received almost none. Imagine if the Heat lost 4 straight at home or 6 in a row, Spoelstra would be sacked right away and D’Antoni for some reason is still hanging on there after God knows how many years playing more basic defense than my amateur Saturday league.

  • Jono

    @DeeDre Agreed that the Heat hyped themselves out. But didn’t the Knicks enter this season saying they “expected big/great things”, didn’t Melo say they had the best front court etc. It’s not the same as LeBron sayin they gonna win 7/8 championships (which was a joke btw, don’t know why people keep repeating that, DWades knees will hold up for 3-4 more years max), but they still warrant some level of abuse and they have received almost none. Imagine if the Heat lost 4 straight at home or 6 in a row, Spoelstra would be sacked right away and D’Antoni for some reason is still hanging on there after God knows how many years playing more basic defense than my amateur Saturday league.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    because that’s when the majority of the season takes place and that’s when the season actually ends.

  • quest

    …. and all the knicks point guards are mental.

  • ShiQ

    @ Meloman@2.0 you’re kidding right? He wanted to Help the Nuggets?!?! NO seeing it first hand it was apparent that he wasnted out of Denver and handled it pretty horribly. It was more than messing up the team chemistry and as A nuggs fan all my life and def a Melo fan it was CRYSTAL clear that he wasn’t intrested in helping the team…man it was a melo-dramamtic mess…the team, the work ethic…it was Yikes borderline stupid..Not that i’m complaining but it made me smh when they gave up what they did for him..melo was going to NY a FA anyway, but with the impeding lockout ( which became inevitable ) changing CBA and the nervousness of all the players ( and teams) it seemed that getting “his way” was in jeopardy so he did (as he said ) WHAT WAS BEST FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY…in no way was “what’s best for the Denver orginization ” a thought for this dude. With that said, melo is still a great player. Just a selfish one. And not selfish in Kobe Bryant type way. Kobe can be selfish. He’s Kobe. Melo cannot be. Kobe can still create offensive runs…Melo stops them..He stops teammates and he cannot make them better, he can only improve his offensive stats. ( which are great can’t ignore that) And that’s it. As much as I hated to see him Take C Billups with him ( Colorado’s own) Nuggets got THE best out of this trade!! NO doubt about it….@Heals ya dern skippy!! haha

  • meloman@2.0

    Oh really? Melo telling the office where he wanted to go didn’t help the Nuggets? So I’m assuming you wanted to lose him in free agency like the Cavs lost Lebron and the Raps lost Bosh? I’m pretty sure if that happened the Nuggets would be fighting for the number 1 pick in the draft right now

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    How can you argue what Melo did, didn’t help the Nuggets? They are better now then before he left. Which is obviously better then losing him for nothing. Who gives a sh*t about the drama and your unhappiness as a fan, it helped the franchise by telling them you wanted out rather then leading them on. Some people need to realize your feelings as a fan are 100% irrelevant if you care more about happiness then the success of the franchise.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    Let’s keep it real, Melo is WAY more clutch than Stat. Even though he basically sank the Knicks by missing 20 shots, he was the one that took the Knicks into overtime twice on Saturday night. If it’s his wrist that’s messing up his shot or his personal problems – who knows? But he’s necessary if the Knicks want to win a title. There’s a rumor that should Dwight NOT sign with the Nets, D-Will wants to be traded to NY or Dallas. Dallas isn’t gonna give up much for D-Will, but the Knicks WOULD give up Stat for D-Will. I love Stat for taking on the challenge that is NYK, but a team of Chandler, Melo and D-Will seems like a more balanced team.

  • Cartel

    They just simply dnt have ALL the right pieces…No true pg until they hopefully get a healthy BD…The bench is weak. And the coaching sucks…A real coach would have been worked the mechanics of who should get the ball, and when and where they’ll get it…Would Phil Jackson allow a team to play at that level???…Bottom line, The Knicks traded a bunch of REALLY GOOD pieces to get 1 OUSTANDING piece (2 if they woulda kept Billups)…They never seem to have a COMPLETE team…

  • jimmer

    @ UGH, so the knkicks are in to these two for $136M over the next four years. wow. @ J.C (font of knowledge?) very good call on the triangle, they better start using it if they want to see any return, whatsoever, on that considerable/laughable outlay. That means getting mike ‘give the ball to steve nash for 4 years = collect 8 years of NBA salary WTF!?’ D’antoni out the door, SHARPISH.

  • jimmer

    sorry, $162M. clowntown.

  • truballer

    should”ve kept billups..!!! the KNICKS go and disrespect MR. BIG SHOT
    KARMA SUCKS..

  • ShiQ

    The fact that the Knicks stupidly traded away all thier team doesn’t mean that Melo cared to help the orginization. I was ready for Melo to go and didn’t really care how he went. OUR fron office got that deal done with the bluffing help of NJ and the pending CBA scaring NYK and quite possibly Melo. My only point IS that he didn’t want to “Help” denver. He had a choice ( a rightful choice that I DO NOT argue was his nor was it spiteful) I don’t think melo was being mean spirited or had hate for Denver in ANYWAY…but chill on the “wanted to help denver”..he would have Easily walked as a free Agent while double talking saying he was still considering denver. Please stop the madness I hear those interviews on the local news nightly.. Had he always said “I loved denver I grew here blah blah now it’s time to move on” I MIGHT agree with you. But since it was “say one thing in interviews do another thing in meetings” It was clear that Melo made this choice ( for him) AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT FAULT HIM! just as i don’t fault Bron for leaving Cleveland… thier choice and freedom to do so…But “helping Denver” jsut seems like the wrong statement a bit too misleading to base that argument on. I still like Melo, but I was ready for him to go when I sat COurtside at that Nuggets scrimmage in OCT and he said I’m “still considering denver” uhmm yeah right. He demanded WHERE he was going and if not WHERE he’d walk to at the end of the season.. If anyone,Masai Ujiri HELPED the nuggets.. thank you very much.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    There are 3 coaches alive who can & know how to coach the triangle. Phil Jackson, Brian Shaw (no head coaching experience), Kurt Rambis (not an effective head coach). Putting any hope in the Knicks adopting the triangle anytime soon is the same as putting hope in Tupac still being alive.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He helped by giving the Nuggets enough time to put together a package that was close to (or greater than in this case) equal value. He told the Nuggets which team(s) he would be willing to sign an extension with (thus HELPING the Nuggets find a team they can get THE MOST out of). If he was only interested in himself, he would have waited till the summer and forced Denver into a sign & trade with New York, just like LeBron James, and Chris Bosh did to Cleveland and Toronto. So yes, Melo clearly HELPED the Nuggets by letting it be known where he wanted to go before hand. Clearly.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    THEY STEADY SCREAMING TUPAC BACK

  • Jose

    I really did like NYK better when Amare ran the show. . .

  • ShiQ

    again I reitterate that my feelings are 100% with the success of the franchise which is why i wanted ( eventhough I knew the guy was GREAT) for Melo to leave..His uncertainty was affecting the whole organization and as a bball fan and Nuggs fan but highly rational person, i realized that him leaving was best, and I was sad to see Billups go but knew it had to happen to gain all that we did. Now being in the postion we are in any hard feelings i had ( which are none) would be gone. I stil think NYK is anything to sleep on..They Have Melo..he’s a star…Once they get a pg they wil be relevant..I don’t think that pg is Davis…no way no how…Maybe D will, maybe they shoudl trade EVRYTHING away again and try for Dwight…all i do know is seeing Melo play the way he plays out of a Nuggets jersey makes me realize…gee good Riddance. this is still team ball and stopping an offense ( as he so effortlessly does) is cause for concern.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    they need to talk more D than offense in my opinion

  • Penis

    Its funny Denver got better without Melo and NY got worse lol…

  • ShiQ

    I think we may have opposing views on the way the word “helped” i be used in this context. But i won’t belabor that point, the fact is the Nuggets sans a Superstar are a better team. And the KNICKS with 2 All-stars and a champion just can’t get it together. I don’t blame Anthony…100% or D’antoni… I blame whoever went ahead and made my LIFE great by making such a heavy trade in feb 2011. Oh and p.s. the only reason STAT was as succesful in the D’antoni system in pHX is CLEARLY STEVE NASH! STAT shouldn’t be an afterthought though, pretty sad to think that he would be first ont he trade block, but if they are gonna do it then…….

  • ShiQ

    i meant *is being used. oh well.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I love how melo says that “amare and the team need to tell him if he’s doing too much (shooting)”. That’s not their job, it’s up to you as the team’s so-called point forward and the next LBird (according to D’Antoni) to have the right balance of shooting and creating scoring opportunities for teammates.

  • flipnoyce

    Damn, used to be one of Melo’s fan. I fell off the the wagon when the Nuggets had him and Iverson together playing against the Laker squad in the playoffs sometime ago in 08. I thought for sure that Melo would give the Laker a run for their money but instead I thought he gave up too soon to even make it a battle. Same thing back in 09 at western conference finals against the Laker and this time with Billups, I also felt he gave up in that series. He’ s a great scorer but that’s all you get from him. He’s got the whole offense on pause whenever he holds that ball. One dimensional player is what he is. No defense, at all!!! Knicks should try to get Nash to make this team complete. Nash made No D’ antoni a freakin genius but look at him now since leaving Pheonix. And Melo it is your fault, maybe you should stop playing by yourself and play with the other 4 guys that’s called team mates.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    Dolan sank the Knicks by overruling Donnie Walsh and trading away half the team. Donnie offered Wilson Chandler, Curry’s contract, Anthony Randolph and a pick. But Denver went for the gusto and instead of calling their bluff, Dolan caved and now we suck because of it. Looking back, we should’ve added Fields and kept Gallo.

  • meloman@2.0

    @ShiQ You’re not getting the point. IF Melo didn’t say anything, The Nuggets would have got no one for him. Point blank. Atleast credit Melo for having the curtesy to tell the front office that he didn’t want to be there anymore, because like I said, if he didn’t, the nuggets would be a bottom feeder

  • AQWORD

    The problem is lack of good PG to stabilise tings. + Amare can’t get his without one RECOGNISE !!! lol AT PENIS but it is a fact.

  • meloman@2.0

    and I don’t even agree that the Nuggets are a better team. Deeper, yes. But lets be real, that team will not go far in the playoffs. A 1st round win at best. with Melo they could atleast win two

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Melo its your fault move the ball around, play defense and stay of reality television is my advice. BOOK IT!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Anyone seen IamOrange these days? He’s been curiously absent.

  • Hart

    Should have waited till FA.

  • ctk

    Nuggets aint better till they win a playoff series …stars win n the playoffs ..PERIOD…the Knicks had to do that deal …Gallinari,Chandler,n Felton aint beatin no Bulls or Heat n a best of 7 series…u got a better chance with Amare n Melo

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    @nbk, …. Knee!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    and the knicks have won a playoff series?

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    …what if they trade Melo to the Magic for Anderson and Nelson??

  • DerekG

    Every good game that Gallinari and Raymond Felton have burns me to the core! They should be in Knicks uniform still and let Melo come in the off season via free agency!

  • dywm

    Its Coach Antoni’s fault.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Amar’e for Deron Williams. I can’t see a way New Jersey gets Dwight with Brook Lopez hurt. I can’t see Dwight making it past the trade deadline in Orlando. And considering there was a report last week that said, New Jersey would trade Deron Williams (probably to New York) if Dwight is traded to a place he is willing to resign, the Knicks struggles, specifically Amar’e Stoudemire I would say that the trade is getting more likely by the day.

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    Bulls??? heat??? Amare n Melo can’t even beat No Country For OLD MEn(Celtics for the slow)!!!

  • robb

    It’s not his fault. When D’umbtoni leaves NY and they get a real coach, things will start improving pretty fast.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    nbk, apparently that trade might happen IF Dwight goes somewhere other than the Nets. Brooklyn would open a team with Stat and Brook and the Knicks would have a more balanced team. Also, I just read that the Magic have been thinking about trading Dwight to the Knicks for Stat AND Tyson Chandler…

  • ShiQ

    I’m not missing the point I disagree with how you’re saying it anywho Perhaps an “if then statement” But No way am I agreeing to him “helping the Nuggets” in the trade…but I digress. I’ll let it go But I won’t let this go…Nuggets aren’t a better team? Just deeper…that makes all of no sense…if you’re deeper ( and by all sense of that phrase it means effective) aren’t you a better team? Huh? the KNicks are sucking it up, and they are stilla better team.. No they have 2 all-stars and a championship winner…and No chemistry and an archaic offensive style that doesn’t suit them , but did suit D’antoni and AMar’e when they had future HOF all-star and MVP ..steve Nash. I’m gonna stick by the original statement that the NUGGETS are a better team, with better ball movement, Way better D ( horrible off boards tho yikes) and future HOF coach, and a better team style of play. Come on now at least admit to that one. the knicks aren’t even GETTING to the playoffs so that automatically makes that comment NULL and VOID :)

  • Riggs

    Donnie walsh was on a roll until Dolan stepped in like an idiot. It’s the reason why Donnie left before he had to.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    wouldn’t the Knicks prefer to have Amare and Deron instead of Melo and Deron?
    Amare, Deron and Chandler is way better on offense in my opinion, with Shumpert providing a very solid two guard

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Plus, if you trade Melo, you can pursue Dwight.
    Deron’s contract expires, but you can still resign him as your own free agent. You sign Dwight, resign Deron and you now have Deron, Dwight, Chandler, Amare and Shumpert as your core.
    Chandler is now trade bait, you can even holla at Golden State and see if they’re still interested.
    Think about it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, well according to Mike D’Antoni he can’t really use Amar’e effectively next too Chandler. He said, Amar’e basically needs to learn how to be comfortable under a different offensive role. Which (this is just as assumption) isn’t going to really fit in the scheme Amar’e originally had planned out when he signed his name on the dotted line. I would think he is less of a “face” for the Knicks and with Chandler on the roster, the most expendable player. Plus his contract can’t be something the Knicks want very badly. I mean, it isn’t even insured.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Deron, Damion James and sundiata gaines for Melo and Bill Walker works as far as salaries.
    The Nets get a superstar who is locked into his deal for four years to bring with them to Brooklyn with Brook Lopez. The let Okur walk and try to convince dwight that a pay cut is still a good idea.
    Of course they will be fighting with the Knicks, who are going to try to let most of their roster walk in the offseason, and try to get Dwight themselves and sell him on playing with Deron, Amare, Chandler and Shumpert.
    Melo would be pissed, but hey, that’s life. Seems like a very good deal for both teams in my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    There is no way for that too happen Allen. Deron, Dwight, Chandler, Amar’e? how in god’s green mainly blue earth could that possibly happen. They would need to trade someone to get Deron, we’ll say Melo. Then they have Deron, Tyson, & Amar’e making over $12M a season. (you can’t resign Deron after you sign Dwight, Deron’s bird rights count against the salary cap until he is signed somewhere.) Basically, considering the salary cap, it’s impossible to have all 4 of those guys on the same team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    then Mike DAntoni needs to be fired.
    Look, Melo is a ball stopper. Giving him an elite point is not going to change that.
    You dump him, get back a superstar point, pair that with Amare and Chandler and your exciting rookie and still have a chance to snare Dwight if I’m not mistaken.
    Melo is $20 million off the books, which makes signing Dwight mad easy.
    You sign Dwight, re-sign Deron to go over the cap and your team is completely set.
    What am I missing?

  • meloman@2.0

    well ShiQ, we’ll see come playoff time. Theres no doubt that as of right now, the nuggets are better, i wont lie.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ah, ok, I didn’t know that about the Bird rights. I though that if Deron opted out of his contract, which he plans to do, he would be a free agent and his current team would just have the option of going over the cap to re-sign him.
    Also, why not trade Chandler too? somebody will pick him up given what the market was for him last summer, and this way and team gets to save like $12 million so the contract is more palatable.
    I would make this deal in a heartbeat. I’m not a fan of Melo at all and I think the team would be better with a serious point guard.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Don’t the Knicks have to wait a certain amount of time before they can trade Chandler? And wouldn’t it be after the trade deadline?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    30. Can a team with cap room sign all the free agents it wants (up to the salary cap) and THEN re-sign its own free agents using the Bird exception?

    A team’s ability to do this is very limited. The team’s free agents continue to count against their team salary (against the salary cap). This charge is called the “free agent amount.” There may not be enough money available under the cap to sign another team’s free agent, because the team’s own free agents are taking up all their cap room.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That’s from Larry Coon’s Salary Cap FAQ just wanted you too see the rule AP.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I just read Larry Coon’s write up about the Bird Rights and didn’t see that info you provided NBK, where did you get it?

  • FoCo

    Melo may have inadvertently helped Denver by his desire to have his cake and eat it to but he by no means had their best interests in mind. He only wanted to be able to name where he was playing while still getting his max money extension under the old CBA. If he had waited until the offseason he was afraid of losing his money.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nevermind, I found it.
    Oh well, I’d prefer a team with Deron, Amare, Chandler, shumpert and whoever else the Knicks can sign then the current squad. and I think they could still trade Chandler since his contract is now for $48 million starting next year instead of the full $60 million.
    Some team will take him at $12 million per for four years.

  • https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap99.htm nbk

    it’s number 27 on the new FAQ. Click my name, go to 27

  • ctk

    Never said the Knicks won a series …the goal is to win a title …better shot with buildin a team around Melo n Amare to get that done…u couldnt lock long term deals with Gallinari n W.Chandler tryin to get that done …Knicks would of been like the 76ers r now …this is all about the Playoffs u need stars ….n Amare n Billups wont healthy against the celtics that would of been a diff. series if they was

  • https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap99.htm nbk

    I would be right with you Allen if I thought the Knicks were operating under the “we would like to win more than James Dolan wants to sell tickets” team building plan. But I don’t. The Knicks are never trading Melo, not after last season and all they gave up, and what it cost their front office (Donnie Walsh). Amar’e to me, seems like the odd man out. And like I said earlier, idk if Chandler is even eligible to be traded yet.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    they don’t have to trade Chandler this year. They can ride this year out with the Chandler Deron and Amare core.
    Then see what’s up in the offseason with teams and the draft.
    Think about it, they recruit Dwight. Tell him they are looking at trading Chandler to get him. If they convince he and Deron to sign for slightly less than the full maximum, how would it be a bad idea to dump Melo?
    You telling me Dwight would be enticed by the idea of hooping with Amare and Deron? You telling me pick and rolls with Amare and Deron wouldn’t be devastating with Dwight flashing from the weakside or hitting the glass?
    Melo needs to be moved.

  • https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap99.htm nbk

    lol I agree with you 100%. except, He ain’t never, ever, getting traded.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I think Amare might still be dealing with back issues, raymond felton’s a good point guard but he aint making NO ONE play at a mvp level. I think the spacing may be a issue as well as carmelo being a ball stopper. Amare has never played with a guy like him in his career.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well, maybe you’re right about Dolan. I don’t get it.
    I also don’t get why NO ONE in the national media has even discussed this possible trade.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t understand that either. I also don’t understand why the Knicks pursues Tyson Chandler in the first place. Not for 12 Million a year. They acted like that was going to legitimize their defense, like he has ever done that for a bad defensive team? ever? The Bobcats were still sh*tty when he was with them. Dallas was one rim protector away from being elite, they weren’t crap and then Tyson changed the culture like people tried to say, he just filled their only hole defensively. simple as that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t know if it was that simple, but I agree that he wasn’t going to solve the Knicks problems.
    I believe that any time you get more than two bad defenders in a lineup you are going to have serious problems unless you have an outstanding coach.
    I think the trade would immediately solve the Knicks offensive problems and help some on defense. More importantly, it would let them shed Melo’s deal so they could trade Chandler this offseason since his deal is reasonable at four years for $48 million.

  • charliewinning

    If D’Antoni can’t find a way to make Chandler/STAT work then it’s another reason he needs to go. I was never a Melo fan but I realize they’ll trade STAT before him. May as well go after Dwight or Deron with STAT and Chandler as trade pieces. I never saw the STAT/Melo combo working. Ftr, I can’t stand Melo’s game. It’s too damn one demensional.

  • Shiq

    Thanks FoCo “inadvertantly” and “not having thier best interest in mind…are EXACLTY what i’m getting at. I know melo wasn’t mulling over how to both “help” the Nuggets and get to NY. I know that the new CBA scared both him and the Knicks and the NJ Nyets still playing with NY’s emotions made them jump the gun and gut the team…that’s well put.
    I think i said this on NBA.com but it’s high time NY start looking to make more drastic changes in MSG. Re-open that incision from the hefty gutting they did last feb, wheel and deal for Dwill and Dwight…this may mean both Melo and Chandler, or Chandler and Amar’e getting outta dodge…I think at this point for tix sales and to see a star score anyone would gladly take Melo, but unless you want Iso ball…dude’s not changing anytime soon so teams should realize that…and I’d bet a pair of louboutins(yeah i’m a girl, we bet high stakes on shoes) on him NOT changing. NY better make a move for Dhoward and Dwill…they better at LEAST try.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What do you realistically think they can get back for Chandler though? Expiring contracts? An aging vet who may have one all-star game left, at best?

  • Mike Mihalow

    defensive struggles, yes

  • Mike Jones

    Bravo you are a fool, hogging the ball and not passing the rock. Do you know who the top assist guy for the knicks is at the moment. Anthony. Anthony is not to blame it is Amare, most nights he is chucking up the same amount of shots and doesnt look like hitting half of them.
    It is still early people, the knicks will go on a big win streak shortly, and the as long as they make the playoffs which should be easy enough in the east they are a contender in any playoff series.
    Stay Faithful new york.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    When you’re shooting 33% on 26 shots with 4 turnovers a game during the team’s recent struggles, the blame falls squarely on you.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I would try to get back a draft pick, late lottery or just mid first round. No actual players. Basically, a salary dump.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If they are going after Dwight, then they don’t need to get anything back. they need the cap space.
    Hell, if they are creative, maybe they get that third team to go with them to talk to Orlando or something.
    No matter what, the first move is moving Melo. He costs too much money and doesn’t make other people better.
    But, if you remember, I wasn’t in favor of the Melo trade in the first place. I thought they were kowtowing to him and making sure he got the most money he could get and letting him play where he wanted to play and gutting their team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Amare is struggling, but realistically you have to figure that with more ball movement and shots, his game will improve. That’s never happening with Melo on the team.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How would a Melo/DHow combo work if Melo/Amare aren’t working? Is not like Melo is going to turn into the Big O overnight and start setting up DHow for easy buckets. Constant ball-movement and a decent PG are keys to D’Antoni’s offense not a ball-stopping Forward that thinks every shot is a good shot.

  • http://Www.nba.cOm 2Sikh

    How about sign a humbled Allen Iverson to score 12ppg of the bench!!!

  • charliewinning

    D’Antoni is as much the problem as the players. Actually, it doesn’t matter what players he has. He’ll always be offense only, therefore never a big time winner.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Guys, guys. Calm yo selves. Baron Davis just had his first practice. All problems solved… ehhh, or not, but he will make them considerably more fun to watch that’s for sure.

  • Shiq

    hahah @ LakeShow….

  • nic h

    The problem is in no way Carmeloa fault, he needs to feel 100% confident that the whole team is on the same page as far as him being the leader and the take of the majoritry of the shots.Dantoni should be fired and the majority of the offence should involve Isolations for melo.Then Amare making his easy shots

  • nic h

    carmelos*

  • http://www.aol.com wagers

    Melo/Shumpert for D Will/Marshon??

  • meloman@2.0

    Melo ain’t going anywhere… even though he’s played bad as of late (remember, he has an injured wrist) doesn’t mean he’s not a keeper. Amare is the one playing horrible. Melo leads them in points and assist. Watch a few months from now, when Melo is cruising… you haters now will be praising him. This is clearly just a phase

  • JTaylor21

    The knicks are off to a slow start but their still the favorites to win the championship. Tony Douglas is turning into one of the best guards in the league and Ronaldo Blackman took his game to another level during the lockout.
    Top four small fowards:
    1. Big Bron James
    2. KD
    3. Ronaldo Blackman
    4. Melo

  • FoCo

    Come on Nic. The problem here is definitely Melo. You think Karl never wanted him to play defense? Think Diantoni doesn’t believe in defense at all? Dude has always been a chucker who was lazy on D and now for the first time he doesn’t have the team to make him look good.

    Meloman this isn’t a phase. This is Melo’s first time without a strong guard running the show up top and his constant need to play 1 on 5 is catching up with him. His wrist may heal but he’s not gonna stop chuckin. Amare is looking bad because Melo’s 100% iso game doesn’t mesh at all with Amare’s strengths and has turned him into a jump shooter which isn’t what he should be doing (when Melo lets him shoot at all)

  • http://slamonline.com cold as ice

    yes its melo’s fault….yes its stat’s fault….of course it no d’antoni fault u damn right its dolan’s fault. and for the 1st time it aint isiah’s fault(lol)!!! can it work??? i still believe so. obviously u have 2 ego driven players on this team. fightin for the alpha dog spot. only difference is melo’s chucking and stat’s well…he’s ducking.does melo need to shoot less. YES!!!does stat need to learn to post up more YES!!!why is it that i say post. because amare is in lovewit 3pter’s and 15 to 20fter’s. nooooo. it takes 2. so if melo is to change his game to play stat then stat should do the same.both needs to play better defense and stat needs to help tyson and crash the boards more.while team usa takes off to london amare needs to take off to texas and see the “dream”!! hakeem that is. same way bron,kobe and dwight can better their post game. stat should do the same. if u want to chuck 3′s ok. post up more. then ur gm will be complete. inside,mid,and outside. melo u can be lebron2.0 if not pierce. facilitating,scoring,gettin boards and makin ur teammates better. us newyorker’s would love u a million lifetimes over.not this half ass effort we’re getting now. not 2 players bickering like 2kids in the playground.over who wants to lead and who doesnt want to follow. obviously the miami big3 got their act 2gether so why cant ya???? team work leads to success. not selfishness and me 1st attitude.IN THE WORDS OF ED LOVER C’MON SON!!!! ya no worse then the captain who abandoned ship. go down wit the ship. at least do it in the playoffs playing as a TEAM!!! not sounding like mya and sisqo”it’s all about me”. melo and stat is the best thing to happen to NY basketball since ewing and sprewel. dont let us fans down. thats already happened multiple times already. ish i’ll run the point for ya.and ya’ll get all the touches ya need. plus the TEAM!!!!

  • dazzy

    No way cold as ice is a real New Yorker.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    I like his self-awareness.

    I also like the second funniest thing of this post: Meloman2.0 diminishing how well the Nuggets are doing by saying they can’t win in the playoffs with that roster, and that Carmelo Anthony (he of the lone second round appearance in 7 seasons) is the type of guy you advance in the playoffs with.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    D’Antoni’s fault…
    And Steve Nash moves up yet another notch on the “make the coach look good” list.

  • Shiq

    @ Tealish…hysterical isn’t it???

  • meloman@2.0

    Ok, I’m actually convinced everyone on this post is slightly retarded. @Foco Melo before Iverson, Melo lead that sorry denver squad (ok they weren’t that sorry but still, he was their leader) to the playoffs for 3 years. Second, it appears that Amare and Melo don’t work because they are both ball stoppers. Dwight isn’t. He functions as a pimped out version of Tyson Chandler, scoring off rebounds, the occasional pick and roll and post ups. Dwight is also the best defensive player in the league, and when you have the best defensive player and the best scorer on the same team, your chances of winning are very high

  • B

    All this melo hate is ridiculous… When amare does get the ball it’s never on the block… He running around close to the three point line… Everybody he plays has a career night… He shoots long j’s like he is a sg… If he would play around the low post area he would do damage… Melo leads the team in assists… But he’s not passing the ball… He rebounds decently, I say trade amare for some pieces n maybe a 1st rounder n call it a day… And fire d’antoni just because….

  • meloman@2.0

    just watch how far the nuggets go without melo… and see how the knicks do (even though they traded half a team for melo) do when it comes playoff time.

  • SportsAddict

    The Knicks have great players, Amare, Melo, Shumpert,Fields, Chandler, etc. They just can’t seem to win. I think they need another great point guard who can take pressure off of Anthony. Someone who can set up Amare, and run pick and rolls with Tyson. Melo is being vocal about it, and this might can uplift the team in the long run. I think what Melo is doing is very positive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/P.Y.Y.B.L Gametimeweezy

    its not your fault Melo theres no I in team…
    one person is not the reason a team wins and one person is not the reason a team loses
    all these people are idiots…

  • http://www.huwlhopkins.com #6marjon

    it isn’t iman shumpert’s fault

  • Justin G.

    I don’t see D’Antoni getting fired this year. Once again he has a newish team and no time to work with them in practice. Someone said it’s on the coach to work with the guys and figure how to get them their shots in their best spots? When does he do that exactly? There is simply no time for practice. It’s why Dirk is taking some games off. All the players do is play games, travel that night to the next city and play another game the next day. I think coaches are going to get a free pass for this year for that simple reason but D’Antoni in particular will probably have a short time next year. The Knicks are also waiting for Davis to come back and see what kind of impact he can have. Maybe if he comes back healthy and playing like he can this team can turn it around but it needs to start on the defensive end for sure

  • charliewinning

    D’Antoni needs to be fired. Period. He’s not a good coach. Not only is his style not conducive to winning a championshipn but any coach who can’t get his team to @ least .500 with that amount of talent shouldn’t be coaching.

  • Justin G.

    @charliewinning…Talent doesn’t always equal chemistry either. Teams have to be able to play with each other and learn each other’s tendencies to be a contender. And you do that in practice, not in games. Teams like Miami and Chicago have an advantage not just because of talent but also because they’ve been playing together before. You guys aren’t understanding that the coaches are not being allowed to coach because of the schedules. They’re not going to run extensive practices on the rare off days everyone gets because they also understand that the players need to rest.

  • charliewinning

    Exactly my point. One of the biggest parts of a coaches job is to manage the players so that they can play cohesively. D’Antoni cannot do it because he’s incompetent. No excuse for being so many games below .500. He is not a good coach. They don’t lack talent, they lack a coach to motivate them. They lack a coach who cares about defense. They lack a coach with the wisdom to utilize his talent.

  • bigdoggchad

    @ JTaylor21 Dwight doesn’t need the ball to be effective. He rebounds and plays defense. He only shoots 13 shots a game and goes to the line 12 times a game. He is also use to not taking the last shot or being the focal point on offense unlike Amare. Amare is shooting 15 shots a game which low and only gets to the line 6 times a game. Melo/D-12 > Melo/Stat.
    Hopefully the Howard for Amare and Chandler rumors are true.

  • hushabomb

    If the Knicks get Iverson to play PG that would be great. He’s willing to help a team play and whilst I’m not a AI fan, he deserves to be on a NBA team to finish out his career. Just as long as he doesn’t need to practice……

  • bigdoggchad

    ^ ^ ^
    Amare is shooting 15 shots a game which is low for him

  • D

    LMAO bet they regret trading Billups LMAO

  • G-Ryder

    All of this Melo hate is non sense. Its a team game. Hey Denver fans, how quickly you guys forget that yall couldnt make the playoffs until he got there nd brought yall thete 7 yrs straight. THeres a cople of problems the knicks have. First is coaching!D’Antoni doesnt believe in defense and is too stubborn to adjust. 2nd is that we need a PG badly! Amare has been mainly successful in his career in motion and Pick/Roll Offense (ie.Nash and Felton). Last is just effort.

  • ShiQ

    I can’t believe Meloman@2.0 you think this team will go further than the Nuggets in the playoffs..Forget where the Nuggs land in post season…i don’t even think the Knicks will SEE a post season…and please refrain from calling me retarded just because of your love affair with Melo…i get it he is a GREAT offensive bball palyer. Great to watch score and one of the easiest facilitating scorers in the game..( many will say KD is waaay better, but) there’s no argument that he’s great.. and that Amar’e has the star power greatness, AND that Chandler is a Champ..HOWEVER, something is not meshing…and it is APPARENT that Melo is stopping the flow of the offense. Melo stops offesive flows…unless he has someone into punking him to NOT stop it..i.e the Olympic team…all those egos and talent and the ball is shared pretty well and Melo can’t think about shooting everytime he gets the ball..on the Nuggets team he did it..and on a struggling Knicks team he feels he has to. The Nuggets were never a bad team that surrounded him…They certainly weren’t a bad team when he left and they are better team now that he’s gone.. No one ( well i’m not ) is insinuating in the SLIGHTEST that Melo is NOT a great offensive bball player..its just that his shortcomings are now causing a whole franchise to doubt his ability to make basketball decisions. If that triple team wasn’t prooof of that on Sat where he STILL shot the ball..then nothing wil convince you… DUDE I was/am a MELO fan all the way..i had a freaking MELO PURSE..YES a MELO JERSEY PURSE! so i’m a fan..i jsut see the downfall and it’s not working in Ny.

  • http://slamonline.com Harlem_world

    Fire d’antoni, get a proper pg, move chandler off the pick and rolls and run them with amare. We don’t need chandler to score. Just rebound play d and get yours off of scraps. It’s funny to hear people say this team can’t work with melo and amare. When chauncy was healthy, we were on track to rise back up in the east and y’all know it. Without chauncey and with d’antoni in charge – we in trouble. Fire the coach and get a real pg. Melo ain’t goin anywhere and if any team is serious about winning it all, you need superstars to get a ring. No team has ever won one without one. Much as I respect Gallo and Chandler, they are not taking you over the hump in the playoffs. Eff respectable, you got to build to win it all or not at all.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No when you had Chauncey you were still worse then before you got Melo. New York fans are delusional. Like it’s a disease.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Detroit won without a superstar in 04.

  • http://slamonline.com Harlem_world

    Ask around the league about Chancey and Rasheed in 04 – they were both top 5 at their position and Wallace was an all-star. Rip was no joke back then either.

  • http://slamonline.com Harlem_world

    Delusional how? If we could get Howard and Deron like you speculated, let’s do it – but it ain’t gonna happen. This current team is incomplete and we need to get a new coach to change the culture. We have talent, but no direction. This is achieved with a new coach and new pg. Also, talk was about moving chancey to have a run at signing CP3. Things didn’t work out with that, but if we had a shot at getting him, then it was worth it. A new coach and even semi-decent pg improve this team dramatically

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Chauncey and Rasheed were not superstars. That’s absurd.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rasheed wasn’t top five at power forward in 2004. Check that list again.
    He was a beast still, but top five seems like a stretch given his rebounding.
    And there is no reason the Knicks can’t talk to Jersey about a straight up trade of Melo for Deron.
    Jersey would have to be interested because the Knicks already have MElo locked up for four years.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You can’t get Howard and Deron. I also didn’t speculate that you could. And your coach is not the issue. That guy has won at every level, infact, he’s been elite at every level. And until he started coaching this piss poor excuse for a roster he was elite in the NBA too. The only person New York fans should be mad at is James Dolan. You can’t create a roster with more holes then a wiffle-ball and blame the coach for not filling them with some magical fix-all. The teams needs depth, playmaking, and defense outside of Chandler and Shumpert. Then you can talk about winning a playoff series, or if the coach is a good fit.

  • http://slamonline.com Harlem_world

    nbk what is your definition of superstar? and allen, name 5 pf’s from 2004 better than sheed back then? KG, Dirk, Timmy (if we call him a PF), maybe Webb – that’s it. If you have multiple top 5 players on your squad, you are likely to win.

  • http://slamonline.com Harlem_world

    nbk, the dantoni does not fit in NYC. He has no desire to play or preach defense. Follow his past. None of his teams have defensive respect. Yes he IS the issue. We need a culture change on this team. I’m not saying the roster isn’t flawed, but we are were we are. To fix it, we need to look at what we need to do going forward and firing the coach is definitely needed. Coaches who coach elite rosters to less than elite results shouldn’t be praised above there station. He’s an assistant coach who you bring in to coach the fast break. Not a head coach who dictates the culture and philosophy of the team.

  • charliewinning

    I do not respect the opinion of anyone who thinks D’Antoni is a good coach.

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