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Monday, January 9th, 2012 at 9:30 am  |  128 responses

Kevin Love Believes He’s the NBA’s Best Power Forward


Kevin Love is putting up monster numbers yet again (25.4 points, 15 rebounds a night), and tells ESPN Radio that he’s the League’s best power forward: “How much better of a player are you now compared to two years ago? ‘I’m a much better player. Not only what I do physically, but my mind as well. My mind has grown. My game is a lot further along than it was in the past. I do feel like I’m a lot better and more active on the court.’ Is there anyone in particular that gets the bulk of the credit? Your trainer, Rob McClanaghan, in L.A.? Someone here? ‘It’s an influx of people that get a lot of credit. I feel like I’m still the one that has to go out and do the work. But I give a lot of credit to the people working with me. Greatness surrounds itself with greatness. With Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose, at times Joakim Noah and Al Horford, to be around those guys in the summer has really improved my game. I’m hoping I help improve them as well.’ Who’s the best ’4′ in the league: you or Blake Griffin? ‘I believe I’m the best ’4′ in the league. I think you have to believe that you’re the best. I think Mohammad Ali even said, ‘I was the greatest before I knew I was.’ I think everybody needs to have that mindset. That’s part of winning the mind game from the very start. You have to believe it. You have to hold yourself accountable.’ When you wake up on the morning of Jan. 26, will you have a long-term contract in hand? ‘I don’t know. I don’t know the answer to that at this point. It’s all in my agent’s hands (Jeff Schwartz). People can speculate and say what they want, but I will just go out there, play basketball, and help this team win.’ [...] If they present you with the maximum, do you sign it? ‘It’s all in my agent’s hands. I just don’t know what I am going to do. I’m happy to be a Timberwolf at this point and happy we’re winning games.’”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Unfortunate that they edited out the part where he thanked me.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Before anyone says “oh, he’s not, X, Y, Z are better”, what is he meant to say?
    “Well, I think I’m probably the 7th best PF in the League”.
    Players don’t get to the NBA unless they’ve got a supreme sense of self-confidence and belief and an innate desire to be the best. They’re intrinsically motivated.
    Highly unlikely that they’ve ever been comfortable with settling for mediocrity.

  • Dat Dude

    he is way more confident this year than he was before.

  • J.C.

    “Who’s the best ’4′ in the league: you or Blake Griffin?”
    HUH??? Since when were these guys the consensus top two PF’s in the league? Have we started listing Dirk as a Center now or something?

  • http://slamonline.com YKnot

    I wonder if Andray Blatche says that to himself too. “I’m the best power forward in the NBA. NOT!!”

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I don’t care what their stats say, Dirk is the best PF in the NBA by a landslide. However Love is right to think this way, agree with Hursty’s assesment.

  • rich

    idk if hes the best, its arguable. I think he is the hardest playing pf in the NBA though

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    No shtt he should have confidence on himself. Doesn’t change the fact that dirk. Pau, aldridge, bosh, and zbo are better than him.

  • AD

    he is supposed to say this tho… competitors do this… just like how i think im the best in 2k

  • tomtom

    It’s not even close, he is numero uno, followed my Pau then Aldridge and Blake and Bosh are kinda tied for me. And no, before you ask, there is no love for Zbo.

  • Bt

    Which clown came up with interview Question regarding him and griffin as the top 2 Pf’s in the game? Stats do lie you know (for exame Blake griffin is one of the worst defensive players in the league)

  • Zack

    If you don’t think KLove is near the top, you haven’t been watching many Wolves games…

  • AD

    @zack does he have a post game

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    what the hell else was he supposed to say?

  • RunNGun

    K-LOVE’s got to be top five at this point. My list goes Dirk, Aldridge, K-Love, Griffin, & Stat.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Like several other people, I’m shocked that the choices were Blake or Love?
    Really now?
    Crazy.

  • Wendy

    In the meanwhile, Dirk takes a deep, bored sigh and drains his 156th consecutive fade-away-on–one-toe-with-closed-eyes-jumper in the gym, all alone like always.

  • http://www,slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I gotta agree with him, he’s still not the best at creating his own shot but those numbers are ridiculous for a modern player.

  • DerekG

    There are always ways to look at things. Which of the other power forwards give you 25ppg and 15rpg? Say what you will about a lack of a post game but last I checked 3 pointers beat 2 pointers 10 times out of 10 so if prefers to jack treys and is still gonna give me 15 boards I’ll take my chances with him.

  • DieselMechanic

    The way he gobbles up rebs it’s hard to argue.

  • OTB

    Having watched KL on League PAss, the man is for real. He looks slow, unathletic, and seems like he wouldn’t contribute much, but he can shoot the lights out, and has his hands on almost every ball that hits the rim.

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    co sign hursty, nothing here folks

  • http://www.huwlhopkins.com #6marjons

    he’s certainly in the top 2, its tough

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dude’s stats are great.
    But, come on. There are two sides to the floor AND he still doesn’t have the best one-on-one game.
    Which is fine, this is only his third year. He’s on track to be awesome, but slow down people. Gaudy stats are gaudy stats.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    That’s what he’s supposed to think, even tho it aint true.

  • TC

    His rebounding numbers are very good but if I was picking a team, I’d want someone with a more developed low-post game. I’d take Aldridge, Griffin, Zach Randolph, Al Jefferson, Amare, Bosh. That’s not really a knock on Love – 25 and 15 is 25 and 15.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Dirk is no longer the best PF in the game, that title belongs to LA.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    Dirk, Pau, Aldridge are better players. The rest is up for debate, imo.

  • Jer dawg

    I think in context of interview the interview was comparing the best YOUNG power forward in the game, but come on. If you are going to interview the guy and he gives a few minutes of his time I think a little compliment is due.
    Wolves are competing and they look very exciting. Much more in year’s past.

  • Kilo

    Pau is the best PF in the Leauge

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    or the guy that just led his team to a title. but whatever

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    After last season…yes but so far this season…..hells no. The man is avg. 5.2rpg and shooting 43% from the field.

  • http://slamonline.com Dagger

    Amazing how little respect Dirk gets.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    Yeah and he’s hurt. You’re really going to jump Lamarcus Aldridge over Dirk after 9 games? really? All those playoffs games just 5 months ago mean nothing? Let Dirk heal up and play healthy basketball before we say he’s no longer the best PF in the L. He deserves atleast that much respect.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Aldridge is nice, but he’s pulling down less than 8 boards a game. I know he’s playing with Marcus Camby, but he should be grabbing 10-12 rpg. No excuses. I mean he’s practically grabbing 1 rebound more per game than Andrea Bargnani–who himself is having a really good season… But… It’s still Andrea Bargnani.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    k

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    and for the record, I have had Lamarcus as a top 3 PF since like April. I have no hate for the guy, I actually think he will eventually be the best in the league until he breaks down or if BG ever learns to play defense.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Statistically, he’s no1 in efficiency rating at the 4 spot. Right above Blake.
    Therefore he is the best right now.
    Case closed, nothing to see her, go back to work.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    Efficient Rating doesn’t take Defense into account. Learn about the stat, then re-write your comment. We’ll go back to work in the mean-time.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    Efficiency*

  • AQWORD

    Hursty said it best + P.F.s are not designed to play D :-) LOVE is a BEAST 4 now handz down.

  • AD

    evry1 thinks dirk is the best pf.. but i think zebo and chris bosh are better than him #nohating

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Ok so you wish to rate a player but not taking overall statistics into consideration. Oh and yeah…I forget rebounding is not considered Defense. And if you want to have a discussion were we compare the D of Amare, Dirk and Aldridge in favor of Love than my advice for you is to not recommence work but to go take a nap.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    I take overall statistics into account, like this one, the Timberwolves are 16.3 Points Per 48 minutes better, WITHOUT Kevin Love. Do you know more about statistics then what ESPN puts on their website? Honestly, even John Hollinger will tell you his PER statistic isn’t a barometer for how good a player is overall, he admits it doesn’t take into account defense. And if you actually watched Kevin Love you would know that he sacrafices his own teams defense for those defensive rebounds that YOU value so much. (I don’t give a flying sh*t how many defensive rebounds ANYBODY gets. All a defensive rebound means is that the whole team. THE WHOLE TEAM. did their job. Show me offensive rebounds, opposing field goal %, +/-, any stat that actually reflects a players impact on winning and i’ll entertain your assertion that PER is definitive). Until then, you seem to be using stats you clearly don’t understand.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I don’t have the confidence in LA that some of you do. I have watched him play and he’s very good, but think about it… He’s on the Trailblazers. The second best player on the team is??… Gerald Wallace? Raymond Felton? There is no reason if he is as good as ya’ll are saying he is that he only averages 22, and 7.5. He is a borderline top 3, but not top 3 imo. Dirk is #1 until he shows that he is not through a whole season. Pau is doing his best to not be considered a top 3 PF these days. He’s playing fine, but he has no tenacity and is just living off his skills right now. Defensively Love and LA both average less than 1 block and 1 steal. Love rebounds literally twice as much as LA and scores 3 more points a game with out a 1 on 1 game ya’ll are talking about. For my money i’m going with K-Love as the third best PF right now. It’s a very competitive position currently. No one is clearly better right now imo.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Fair enough but Kobe’s also hurt yet he’s shooting better from the field and grabbing more rebounds than Dirk. So…….

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    So? it’s 9 games. of all the people to overreact after 9 games, you’re going to wave the flag. I mean, remember the first 9 games for Miami last season? You were right there with me tellin people to hold up on their conclusions, what has changed?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I ain’t mad at ya for admitting that Dirk sucks so far Taylor. We are all giving him the benefit of the doubt for now though. He has proved he was by far the best PF last year so were assuming he will be back to form before to long.

  • JD

    Dirk was the best – he is no longer.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You’re right. It’s early in the season, his numbers will probably resemble his career #s at the end of the season. Regardless, I’ve always looked at PGasol as the best PF in basketball despite Dirk’s dominant playoff run and PGasol’s 2011 playoff struggles. Dirk is the best offensive PF while Gasol is the most complete.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    That’s fair, I got no argument for that. I was just wondering.

  • KB

    Did anyone else watch Dirk dismantle the heat in the finals? To say he’s not the best PF is just foolish. Especially saying Pau is better? After Dirk dismantled them last year. Stupid

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Really Taylor? You think soft serve Gasol is the best or equal? Dudes skills are the best but we all know that doesn’t make you the best. Gasol has been disappointing to me so far this year. He just refuses to go hard to the rim or “go hard” ever. I just want to see him dunk on a dude for a change. He is happy shooting jumpers and spin aways, but just refuses to take it to the rim. Right now there is no clear cut number 1. Gasol and Dirk should be the top 2. They haven’t proved it at all thus far though. Currently, LA and Love are playing the best game at PF.

  • Ldub

    I think Love IS the best overall pf in the L. He doesnt everything well. off, def, brds, asts, stls, blocks. His stats are off the charts this season. Only Dirk (as pf) can step back and hit the 3 consistntly. But you dont see Dirk having 20 boards. He isnt in there battling with the bigs. To me the reason why Blake and Love are compared is because they have similar games and similar stats. Dirk is almost thrown from the subject because of his lack of rebounding (as he using energy for off which is fine, hes an offense beast). But i would take love or griffin over dirk because of their versatility. (<—spell check).

  • Celtic fan

    What about amare stoudemire? And KG

  • BoWeezy24

    … Love, Is A Beast! Thats All I Have To Say…

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Wow Ldub, BG and KLove have the same game? BG plays above the rim, KLove under. and since when are his steals and blocks off the charts?

  • Drunyce

    Dirk is the best PF in the league, period. The Mavs ran through POR (Aldrigde), LA (Pau), OKC & MIA en route to a chip. Nothing to see here…
    Love needs to learn how to help his team win. Those numbers only look good for fantasy basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m still not convinced Kevin Love is better than Chris Bosh.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Me neither. But it’s a good argument.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35159/roses-sweet-game-continues-bulls-roll nbk

    I have Bosh as better. More dynamic, especially without the prospect of holding the ball in his hands.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, the man is avg. 17ppg on 57% shooting (career low 11.8 attempts a game) along with 9.3rpg, 2.3apg and 2bpg. I would take that kind of “softness and jumpshooting” from my PF any day of the week.
    How quickly Laker fans forget that Pau was the best PF and one of the biggest reasons why the Lakers made it to 3 straight finals and won back to back championships.

  • bike

    All KL said was that he believes he is the best. Without any qualifiers. Still, not bad stats at that position for a rather un-athletic white guy.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    @NBK, when are you going to stop pointing me towards statistics that disprove your point. Love leads the league in Offensive boards. Honestly, I’ve been playing organized basketball since I was eleven (1984) and don’t need Hollinger or ESPN(I don’t go on their website) to point out when a player is really good at his position. Are you claiming that Minny should bench Love because they are better without him. You’re making no sense. Where did you get that from? I’m curious to the link…and if it’s from Hollinger I don’t want it. A rebound is a rebound and it only means one thing. You’re team will be able to score and the opposing team won’t. Now I do agree with the consensus that we’re justing getting started and things can change. But today, in this season, Kevin Love is the undisputed best PF in the L. Is he perfect, no. Will he ever be as good as TD, probably not. Will he smash all rebounding records in the post 70′s NBA, he probably will.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    PER is Hollinger’s stat. Player Efficiency Rating was made by Hollinger. It’s his baby. You brought it up. So don’t contradict yourself and say you don’t want anything from Hollinger, you seem ignorant. And what does offensive rebounds have to do with Love as a defender? How can you be the best in the league at your position if your only good half the game? And no, i’m not saying Love should be benched by Minnesota. I’m saying he is overrated, he barely helps the team, that stat shows that. And he sure doesn’t contribute enough for the TEAM to be called the best 4 in the league. He should make the playoffs first. that stat you asked about is from 82 games btw.

  • Startown

    I would say Love or Dirk, wouldn’t trade him for any other PF except I would consider trading him for Blake Griffin.

    He and Rubio play well together, great pick and rolls!

  • Jose

    his reasoning for saying that – having that mindset- i can understand. if he just blatantly said it i would argue and probably think he was gaining an ego. Dirk is definitely Best 4 in the L though for now

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Dude I was looking at overall statistics on NBA.com and sifting through all the categories. Efficiency happens to be one of them. It’s called EFF and samples from defensive categories as well. I never brought up PER, you did. I’ve never even looked at PER as you seem to persistently claim. Now if you wish to enlighten the entire board here on the pro’s and cons of the PER then go ahead. Without calling people ignorant in the process.
    I’m glad we’ve established however that you feel KL is overrated in addition to the fact that you don’t like to be told to go back to work. Nice when our little disagreement can have an actual point of convergence.

  • G Diesel

    I think a trade of Pau for Love and Rubio would be fair for both teams.Lol.

  • Isaac

    It’s not true yet.. But in 3 years its going to be true.. Love and Griffin the top 2 PF’s in the league.. Griffin is a better iso player and finisher, Love is a better shooter and rebounder. Both desperately need to work on their defense.. It’s all about who can fill more holes in their game.

  • Isaac

    Oh i forgot to add, both are extremely good passers. Griffin is great at finding the open man in half-court sets, and Love is a pinpoint outlet passer.

  • GC6

    Everyones talking about the stats which are crazy good but they count for nothing if you cant get the wins this is why I would take Aldrige at number one he can slow down any other powerfoward in the leage including Dirk he can score at will Brandon Roy was the only thing stopping him now its his team he is showing that he is the best powerforward in the leage.

    I would also take Blake,Dirk,Bosh,Stoudemire over him in that order

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “Statistically, he’s no1 in efficiency rating at the 4 spot.” I thought you meant the popular PER (player efficiency rating, that is recognized as the most well rounded statistic) but you are looking at NBA’s efficiency rating, which is even more ancient. NBA.com evaluates all players based on the efficiency formula: ((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) – ((Field Goals Att. – Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. – Free Throws Made) + Turnovers)). while Hollinger’s PER has differences, 2 of them more important than any other “it’s per-minute and is pace-adjusted,” that make it far more reliable then anyone else’s efficiency stat. Regardless, the stat, neither of them, take into account how the opposing team is playing, who it is, or how much success the individual match-ups are having against the player in question. So it is basically a round number that reflects strictly statistics. Without any other evidence, or anything else to back up your argument, Efficiency Rating, is useless. And your better off reading what I just said then using a statistic as your only supporting evidence in an argument. Because most of the people here won’t even entertain that.

  • http://slamonline.com Dagger

    When discussing which player is better we often talk past each other because we all have different criteria for ranking players. In this case, are we talking about who’s the greater player and, by implication, who’s had the better career? Are we talking about actual talent and skill? Or are we talking about production so far this year? I don’t think there’s much doubt that Duncan would win according to the “best career” criteria, and most people would still say Dirk is at least the most skilled power forward in the league, with Pau in second. As for production: Love is the highest-ranked PF according to PER, but as nbk pointed out PER doesn’t account for defense, and more importantly stats taken with such a small sample size of games are completely unreliable (according to PER Bargnani is the 15th-most productive player in the league, for example). Overall, with everything taken into account, I think the list of best power forwards in the league still goes something like: 1. Dirk, 2. Pau, 3. Griffin, 4. Randolph, 5. Aldridge 6. Bosh, 7. Amare, 8. Love, with everyone pretty close after Dirk. Griffin’s raw talent has convinced me to put him that high – although I have some misgivings about his defense, for example – while Amare’s faults as a player have started to really drag on his team (no defense, black hole on offense). As for Love: I’d want to see more team success and better defense before he moves farther up the list, although there’s no question that he’s an amazing player and one of the most unique talents I’ve ever seen.

  • Startown

    Dagger: Wow, way off. Love at No.8? If you don’t account for stats than he is No.8, if you take stats into consideration than he is No.1

  • zero

    I think not really the #1 but close to it.

  • Ldub

    @max…they have very similar games (minus the dunking)…i was refering to stats mainly. The only difference you could find was above and below the rim? BG is a much more gifted athlete, granted, but they have similar size (not muscle) just the size, BG is developing a mid range (which love has). Remember last season when they were the only 2 really get back to back to back to back dble dbles? Take away the dunking, and the 3s by love…and youd have the same player.

    @allenp….love is way better than bosh. 2 reasons. Points and rebounds. Bosh could get more boards hustling like Love does. He can average 22 and 14. But hes at what 20 and 8 this season and thats because Dwade and Bron were out. Youd be crazy not to take Love over Bosh. He gives you much much more!

  • Ldub

    25 and 15 to be exact

  • http://sfjklf.com Jukai

    Some of you have blinders on Kevin Love here. He’s better than Bosh and ZBo. Easily.
    He’s worse than Dirk and Pau but until Dirk and Pau start playing like Dirk and Pau, I can’t say Dirk and Pau are better than Love this season.
    Blake Griffin isn’t better. He will be, but not yet. Honestly, dude not only needs to work on his own offense, he needs to work on the pick and roll. He can’t just be getting these lops in transition.
    Now, ALDRIDGE is a different beast…. I give the SLIGHT nod to Aldridge… Aldridge is a better scorer, love is a better rebounder and passer, Aldridge is a better defender… it’s close but I gotta give the nod to LA.
    But stop hating on Love. This whole “he has no one on one” offense is dead. He has been scoring fairly consistently on isolation this season. And he’s been showing pretty good post defense too.
    His faceup defense and help defense is still abysmal though.

  • http://sfjklf.com Jukai

    I also love how everyone keeps on bringing up that whole “Love doesn’t close out on defenders to get the rebound” thing… but then glorify Rodman while he did the same.
    Haters gonna hate, I guess.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Except Rodman is top 3 defensive PF’s all-time. While Love is in the same defensive conversation as Zach Randolph. Rodman also protected the basket. Which Love has no interest in.

  • http://sfjklf.com Jukai

    NBK: Rodman didn’t protect the basket. He really didn’t. I mean, he did in Detroit when he was told to do so, but in San Antonio and Chicago, he’d stick to his man like glue, when the shot went up, he’d box out, but he almost never hedged out on his man to help. That was the job of the center, not Rodman.
    People tend to forget about this because Rodman was such an amazing isolation defender, no one cared and they let him get his rebound numbers (because those numbers gave him fame!).
    If Love was a lockdown defender, no one would even realize he let defenders get buckets to not give up his positioning. However, since Love SUCKS as a defender….

  • dapluva!

    Love<Griffin

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Again, Aldridge is top 3 PFs in the league and one of my favorite players in the league to watch, but he really needs to average 10 rpg… At least 8 even. I mean 7.7 boards a game for a starting All-Star PF is not a good look. Those are some Amare Stoudemire numbers without the Amare Stoudemire criticisms.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Not “All-Star starter,” but a starter in this league/All-Star caliber player.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    In San Antonio and Chicago that’s what he was supposed to do lol. Those teams did finish at or near the top of their respective conferences and improved defensively once they added Rodman. Rodman did whatever was asked of him defensively, it’s part of what made him so great on that end. In San Antonio he was put on the premier post scorer on the opposing team while Robinson was charged with protecting the rim. And in Chicago he was given the same responsibility except he now had to switch on the perimeter in many situations. Still though he did what was asked, he didn’t play selfish Kevin Love defense. There is a clear difference. Both in responsibility, and in the effect their efforts have on their teams success or lake there of.

  • Brad09

    funny to hear a guy with no D (dirk) and one serious playoff run is the best PF by far, really dude?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He isn’t that bad on defense. And it wasn’t a playoff run. It was a championship run. And yes, that’s all it takes. Just like its all that matters over the course of a season.

  • http://sfjklf.com Jukai

    NBK: LOL yeah, he was supposed to not close out on defenders. That’s it. Slurp slurp.

  • Allenp

    People sleep on Bosh. That is all.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    First of all, close out on defenders doesn’t make sense. And keep what you do away from here, away from here. I don’t need to read about it. And what guys wasnt he closing out on? He’s guarding the best post scorer on the floor in an era where scoring in the paint was the key too everything. Closing out on shooters and leaving the post vacant was not really an option in those years. But then again, Jukai has spoken, and he’s always right. Kevin Love and Dennis Rodman are the same on defense. Makes perfect sense.

  • http://sfjklf.com Jukai

    nbk: Keep on bein’ ignorant, kid. You wear it well.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I still think Bosh is better at everything but rebounding. and it’d It’d be closer if he weren’t playing next to the best rebounding sf and sg in the league. and I would still put zbo pau, dirk and lamarcus far above klove.

  • Spades

    The best PF in the league is the one that is “the man” on the team and leads his squad to wins. I think Bynum is shouldering the load more than Pau at this point so I’ve gotta give the nod to LA this season so far.

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    Kevin Love is the best rebounding PF in the game, that’s about it so far… you gotta pay the cost to be the boss. I’m rolling with Dirk Diggler for now, then Amare and Bosh. That’s it.

  • dazzy

    I love how Jukai made a PF latte’, then used Aldridge to throw people off. Not all of us are blind.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    LOL^^

  • The Truther

    he’s improving every year. he is in the top 7 for sure. Dirk Pau Aldridge Bosh Amare BGriff and then KLove, yes he kills with the Twolves cuz he gets a bunch of playing time but take the wolves to the playoffs like KG did and then we’ll talk.

  • T-Money

    jukai, you really gotta stop bringing rodman into every discussion about k-love. you’ve said it yourself, rodman is one of the best isolation defender in the post of all-time so he gets a pass – that’s the end of the argument. kevin durant gets a pass for having tunnel vision when he drives, corey maggette doesn’t. what’s unfair about that?

  • T-Money

    for real, even though they are the two most criticized all-stars in the league, give me pau gasol and chris bosh over any power forward right now. they can do it all, from the inside and the perimeter, on both ends. these guys play exceptional team defense.

  • T-Money

    stats don’t matter as much for these two guys because bosh gave ya’ll 24-12 and nobody cared

  • http://slamonline slams chuck barkley

    I look at it Like dis..yea LOve ave 25ppg and 15rpg but hour is on a bad team. If dirk or pau had these stats they would be winnin chips every year n be considered the best player in the leauge not jus his position..

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Andrea Bargnani dropped 31/9 on KLove.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And lol at that last fact.

  • Myles Brown

    Y’all just be in here making sh*t up, huh?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No we are making sh*t over. There’s a slight difference.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    cosign t-money

  • RedRum

    you cannot be the top PF in the league if you do not play D. And neither Blake or KL play any. How can PFs who have seen Duncan play do not invest more into D is really a mystery to me…

  • Chukaz

    I hope this dude is not buying into his own hype. Its okay to be confident and believe in yourself but you gotta be realistic. Vince Carter and AI bought into their own hype, and where are they now? Kobe was the best player in the league since ’01 and he’s works so hard you’d think he’s fighting for the last roster spot with an nonguaranteed contract. He should make a list of PF that are better than him so he’ll realized he’s got a way to go. I’ll save him some time. In no particular order: Blake, Pau, Z-Bo, Dirk, Bosh, Aldrich, Amare, You’re the 8th best player at your position. And i’d say that over the course of a 7 game series i’d take Duncan over him as well. Work on creating your own shot. When was the last time a team built a winner around a guy who count get his own points? The answer to that riddle is… idk but it hasn’t happened since 1980

  • Kim

    It’s fine to have confidence in yourself, but to say that you’re the best is pushing it since there are so many others out there that are as good as you are or better. I like humble people, and he surely isn’t coming across as that. People are blowing his head up too much with the praise. I like LA’s game anyhow.

  • http://www,slamonline.com Slick Ric

    ^huh? kobe wasnt even the best player on his own team in 01, let alone the league, that would be shaq and duncan by a landslide, and back then I would of even put Iverson ahead of kobe.

  • shutup

    wow late as hell, but here goes. even though rodman played exceptional one on one defense he also protected the rim by taking charges, especially in chicago, anyone wanna look up the stats for offensive fouls taken? As for the best pf in the game argument, he doesnt make his team better, he’s a sheet filler thats it, this isnt fantasy league basketball, his scoring and rebounding should lead to wins, but they don’t. If you put him on a better team his numbers go down drastically, the Wolves suck and have for awhile despite his sigh* amazing numbers.

  • Justin G.

    Amazing how Bosh gets so disrespected here. Bosh is top 3, maybe top 4 at the least. Dirk isn’t playing like we know he can but give it time. I believe he also played in the World’s after a long championship run as well and he hasn’t fully healed. Hard for Gasol to get his numbers all the time with Kobe jacking up as many as he is these days. Amare kills his team more than he helps imo.
    Like RedRum said, you can’t be a top PF in the league with no D. Bargnani putting 31 on him is no surprise as he’s having a really good year but Amir Johnson holding him to 13 points on 3 of 16 shooting is telling. Yeah, it could be just a one night thing but still…
    And the whole comparing Rodman and Love on defense is laughable to say the least. nbk is right with pretty much everything he said in regards to this ridiculous argument. Rodman guarded 4 positions when he had to, all incredibly well and he still got his rebounds. Antics aside, he was amazing

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    Hold up don’t get it twisted after one game. I don’t care if Bargnani dropped 50 on him Kevin Love is a top PF in the NBA.

  • Mike From Spain

    Kevin Love leads the league at offensive rebounds, with 5.2 a game this season, 4.5 last season. He could halve his defensive rebounds to play better D and still average a double double. He is shooting 41% from three, which is nothing short of elite. He has created his shoot a bit more with these stepback threes. And if you have a PG like Rubio, creating your shot is a little bit less of an urgent issue. He’s more athletic now that he’s lost a lot of weight. Dude is 23! I believe thathe has the potential to be the top PF in the league.

  • gravy

    wtf

  • Justin G.

    Gametimeweezy, that’s why I said “it could just be one game”. Yes, he’s A top forward in the NBA but not THE top forward. He’s probably 4th or 5th overall but that’s not exactly a negative thing either. Considering his age right now, barring injury he obviously has the time to be the best very soon

  • Vince5

    Amir Johnson shut him down. He’s top 5, but he’s not the best in the L.

  • MARTY

    I agree & the best thing he can do is NOT sign a long term deal with the T Wolves & demand a trade home to the Lake Show where he can become a real super star & bring the Lakers back over the Clips who have Griff.

    Love can never be the real star he has the ability to be if he stays where he is. If he signs a new deal many things can happen including an injury that would leave him a so so player in the freezing cold. Come to L.A. & become the “Great White Hope” of the Lake Show since he is head & shoulders above Gasol….

    The Lakers would take him & Bestly :) & send them Gasol & World in return, sounds great to me….

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    The notion that individual talent somehow automatically equates group-success, as some of you are implying, is in my opinion incredibly naive.
    Nobody is suggesting that Kevin Love is a possible MVP candidate here. But in the larger scheme of things comparisons are made with the use of barometers, whether PER, EFF, category stats you name it. Last year that boy put up monster numbers and he seems to continue to do so this season.
    I’m not sure if I’d give up the starting 4 spot at the ASG to him over Pau or Dirk because they’ve produced a massive body of work already. But in the large scheme of things, pointing out missed close-outs, defensive assignments, fictional variables, team destroying selfish conspiracy acts and other self justifying contradictions will do little to discredit the historical hard facts which are served to draw comparison to his peers. Now and forever. And according to these everlasting facts he is the best right now.

    btw the starting PF @ ASG should belong to Blake if he wants it.

  • Lakers4Ever

    And what happened to Dirk Nowitzki and Pau Gasol? Smh -_-

  • shutup

    I dont see how expecting a top tier player to have a positive impact on his team can be naive. Dominique made the Hawks credible, Tim Duncan made the Spurs Championship contenders, Gasol put LA over the top, The celtics struggled when KG got injured. Basketball is a team game, the notion that numbers equate greatness is a fallacy. All you have to do is give Love the eye test, when you watch him play does he give you the feel that he’s great? I dont see it, like I say numbers are numbers but his numbers arent impacting the outcome of games and his stat sheets look great but that doesnt make him a great player.

  • monkeyball

    Griffin also puts up great numbers and doesn’t necessarily affect the outcome of games. Right now the L is low on quality PFs. Dirk is probably still #1. Griffin or Love are 2nd and 3rd, then Pau or Amare. Who else is there?

  • monkeyball

    I’ll take any of those five guys over Bosh any day.

  • clydesays

    To me the truly great players have the ability to make their team better. Love is definitely talented & improving every year, but lets see some assists, blocks and some WINS. If he carries that team to a winning (or even .500) record, that will be a real accomplishment…

  • Tyree

    its funny how fast everybody is forgetting what Dirk did in the playoffs and finals last year. There is no way he is not the best!!

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