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Wednesday, January 25th, 2012 at 10:20 am  |  104 responses

Pau Gasol: Lakers Need to Feed the Post More


Pau Gasol, in case you were wondering, hasn’t changed his mind from earlier this week about wanting more touches for himself and Andrew Bynum near the basket. He continues to publicly voice his displeasure with the Lakers’ offense. Reports the OC Register: “Pau Gasol continued to express his frustration over a lack of touches near the basket Tuesday, suggesting the Lakers don’t utilize their interior players fully. Coach Mike Brown has Gasol, a better passer with a steady jump shot, working the high post and Andrew Bynum often the focus down low. It doesn’t always work out as evidenced by the Lakers’ 10-8 record, a fact that has prompted the 7-foot Spaniard to speak out. ‘I think we can use it a little more,’ Gasol told reporters before the team’s first contact practice of the season. ‘We have to make sure we use our interior game. Other teams do. As I mentioned the last game, Orlando goes to their interior game and I don’t think Dwight Howard is that much (more) talented than me and Andrew in the post. Indiana used their post game with (Roy) Hibbert and (David) West. I don’t think they’re much more talented than we are. Why don’t we? I think it’s always an effective way to play the game.’ Brown said Gasol’s ability to facilitate plays and score from mid-range is a key reason why he finds himself near the perimeter. He pointed to Gasol’s 10 assists in the Lakers’ loss to Indiana on Sunday for proof. ‘He had 10 assists and zero turnovers, which to me equates to a lot of points,’ Brown said.”

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  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    No sh*t?

  • kobesBESTfriend

    I haven’t seen pau in the post all season…get ur 7ft Spanish as$ in the paint and not out on the perimeter and maybe if Kobe feels like it he will pass 2 u

  • Pais

    Yeah well, he’s probably right. I figure LA should be scoring +100pts every night, with at about half of those points coming from the post, a hefty chunk from Kobe (not sure why but that sounds kinda wrong) and the rest from everyone else. A proper PG and a real coach would go a long way to facilitating that. A bench would be nice too I suppose. LA just doesn’t have what it takes to be a serious contender this year I’m afraid.

  • http://slamonline.com YKnot

    Black Swan to Black Mamba connection not working! Sounds like a disgruntled employee. Maybe they should trade hi….oh wait we tried that already.

  • http://staticseth.blogspot.com/ Seth

    Kobe only feeds himself, as recently seen with the oop off the backboard.

  • RunNGun

    Someone remind Pau that they’re not playing the Triangle anymore in LA. He should lobby hard to get Rambis in at head coach.

  • Yesse

    I agree, but that also means Pau shouldn’t hang around the 3 point line and try to shoot those 3′s even though he might make some of them.

  • jay

    Kobe’s response: ” YOU’RE WELCOME!!!”

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Brown has to be the stupidest coach of all-time. He thinks that having such a skilled 7 footer 15 feet away from the basket is a good thing and points to him having 10 assists as “scoring a lot of points”. Going from PJax to Mike Brown has to be the biggest downgrade in history.

  • anynomous

    I don`t watch the lakers but if gasol is hanging around the 3-point line and even worst shooting behind the arc, it`s not because he wants to but because mike brown`s new offense forces him to do so. Throughout his entire career, Gasol has been most comfortable and effective in the post and on the block facing up. Now all of a sudden he WANTS to be 24 feet away from the basket which lessens his chances of getting offensive rebounds thereby lessening la`s second chance opportunities. I don`t think so. This has mike brown written all over it. Go back to the triangle and feed not one but your 2 7-footers. LA has a clear cut advantage over every team – Bynum & Gasol. What other team has 2 7-foot players who can put up 20-and-10 (pts & rbs) every night? brown and kobe are negating their own advantage. the lakers are not a championship contending team but they`re somewhat better than what they have shown this season.

  • anynomous

    the lakers arguably have the most skilled post players in the league and yet they`re not using them.

  • anynomous

    “not using them properly”

  • http://espn.com PapaDuck

    I gave Mike Brown the benefit of the doubt, but I lost all confidence in him now. If the Lakers are not at the top of the western conference by allstar weekend; I say fire him. How does an offense that features two of the best skilled 7 footers in the league and the leagues leading scorers can’t score over 100 points? We can’t blame Kobe for this because he is not in control of the system they run. When the play breaks down, Kobe has no choice but to shoot the ball. I could do a better job of drawing up offensive plays for the Lakers. If Brown doesn’t have a offensive system in place; why don’t he just keep the triangle? All the players already know it and for the ones that don’t, the old players can teach it to them….

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance DFrance21

    Its been said but I’ll say it again, Gasol needs to stop prancing around the perimeter and get in the post if that’s where he wants the ball. He never sprints the floor and tries to get an early post of, he jus trots and stops at the top of the key shooting elbow jumpers all game. Maybe thats what the offense is designed for him to do, but I’m sure Mike Brown wouldn’t be mad if he broke the play and ducked into the post every now and then.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    So the best post player and post-scorer in the game should be playing on the PERIMETER, making plays for the guards? Pau probably wishes he was in Houston right now…
    This is as much Kobe’s fault as it is Mike Brown’s. It seems like Kobe is deliberately gunning for the scoring title.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    what else is he gonna do? win a title with that roster and coach lol. I don’t blame Kobe at all anymore for how selfish he has been this season. That is a piss poor excuse for a roster.

  • anynomous

    @dfrance21 You`re right but brown`s O isn`t the only issue. Without the triangle, will gasol & bynum even get post touches if and when they do post up with kobe taking more shots than both of them combined? Something tells me that the answer would be “NO”.

  • Brion

    Not sure whos “fault” it is. but the Lakers should be getting alot more production out of their post players.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Exactly nbk. Kobe has been selfish as ever, but you just can’t blame him for the coach not setting the team up to be successful. Brown needs to have a half triangle offense, in that, they have the guys rotating in and out of the low post instead of just having Bynum be the low post guy and Pau be the elbow extended guy. That’s stupid basketball. I only have so much patience… but for now I am still going to give Brown the benefit of the doubt. 2 more weeks is all i’m giving him though lol. Too talented a roster to not be playing great basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Teddy, I really really disagree (shocker I know). I do not think that winning a scoring title is on KB’s mind right now. I’m sure he doesn’t mind leading the L in scoring, but he wants to win games first and foremost. If you don’t see that…. your not watching. Kobe doesn’t need a coach to make him successful. So he goes out and just does Kobe. Pau needs a coach to set him up for success. Pau and Kobe deserve no blame in comparison to Brown right now.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    DFrance….. exactly. It is probably Browns dumb offense, but Gasol needs to break the offense if that’s the case. I know that’s no the preferred thing to do. Your always suppose to do exactly what the coach wants. BUT, many, many, greats have broken the coaches rules to help their team be successful.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow, you can’t just try and run the triangle because it works. You have to understand it, how know how to coach it. Which he has no idea how to do. He should be doing what he said he was goin to do, and run the high-lo that the Spurs used to run with Robinson and Duncan. it’s baffling that they don’t do that.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Come on NBK, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. LA still has a pretty good roster compared to the collection of bums on other teams. Bynum/Gasol are still the best frontcourt in the L, Barnes/Artest still make up a formidable defensive combo at the 3 and Kobe retains the 2guard throne with Wade sidelined. At the end of the day, it all comes back to Brown’s lack of offensive ingenuity.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk, “Half-triangle”… Meaning not the triangle at all. Essentially the high-low your talking about. I’m just saying get Pau’s ass more touches in the post….. no homo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No it comes down to a lack of depth. Bynum and Gasol is fun, but what are you going to do, play them 34+ minutes a game each all the way through the season and playoffs and really expect them to do something significant? What if Bynum gets hurt, like he does every year. How good does a bigman rotation of Gasol, McBob, & Murphy really look? pretty horrible if you ask me. And MWP and Barnes is a good defensive rotation at the 3, it’s quite horrible on the other end. And they have the worst PG rotation in the entire NBA. With no back-up bigmen for when they’re complete inability to keep PG’s out of the paint starts to cause heaps of foul trouble, wtf are they going to do? If this team were playing last year’s Hornets in the playoffs I would bet on the Hornets winning the series, and I wouldn’t even be nervous about it. That should say something for the situation the Lakers are currently in. To go from Title favorites just last season, to a lock to be out of the playoffs by the 2nd round in under a year, is pretty alarming.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    a high-lo and triangle are not related. The “triangle” part of a high-lo happens in the middle of the court. While the actual triangle happens on the strong side. I get what your saying, but it wouldn’t be a variation of the triangle at all.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    Pau doesn’t need the triangle, he can always score even when he’s with Memphis. Hubie Brown honed Pau’s potential and right now Larry tries to bring it back down.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    ***oh I mean Mike Brown not Larry..lol

  • shutup

    It doesnt take much to run a set for a post up and with two big guys they could just run baseline screens for each other but none of that matters if Kobe wont dump it down and lets stop acting like Kobe dumped it down in the triangle because I could remember this plea from Pau for like 3-4 straight years even when they were winning championships and I think Shaq had a gripe about this too if I’m not mistaken. Kobe is probably the greatest player of this era but he is def back on his bs , and as of right now I could swear the Lakers are out of the playoffs, arent they like 10 in the west?

  • anynomous

    @shutup cosign

  • robb

    Seriously Pau, you need to stop being so nice. Tell that @sshole Brown you don’t wanna be out there shooting threes. Go near the basket and do what you do best.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I know it’s not triangle at all nbk. I still don’t see this team ever not being in the playoffs. That’s ridiculous imo. They will always be in the playoffs on talent alone. They just are not a team let alone an effective, smooth, team at all right now. Kobe and other players will go at Mike Brown if things persist this way. He will not keep the ship sailing this way. If he does, he’ll be gone. Quick.

  • shutup

    Oh and once again nbk displays his expertise on everything, even the intricacies of a coaching system only one or two pro coaches can teach. and the high-low fits in the triangle just depends where the ball is dumped in ala rodman in the high post, but im an idiot and I dont know sh!t about basketball so dont mind me

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Give up LO for free will do that to your depth. The Lakers have never been a deep team but losing LO compounded that problem. If anything the front office is to blame for hiring Mike Brown and getting nothing in return for LO.

  • robb

    @ Teddy-the-Bear like I said before, Kobe couldn’t care less about the league’s scoring title, he cares about passing MJ and dropping him to the 4th.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t say they won’t make the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shutup, the high-lo is an offensive set. It’s not just a description of where the ball goes to the post from. I didn’t say I understand how to run or coach the triangle. I just know the difference between the triangle and the high-lo. But then again, I did run a high-lo offense as a player for 6 years. It’s not an NBA high-lo, but the concept and structure are the same. And I have actually watched and read about the triangle enough to understand its structure. But what do I know, I’m just an idiot that loves to spread faulty information, just to get feedback from a self proclaimed idiot like yourself.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    sorry misread you on that nbk.

  • bike

    LA right now looks like Cleveland did with Brown and LeBron. Kobe = Lebron, Pau = Z, and Bynum = Varejao. Basically, it’s let Kobe do whatever he wants just like LeBron did in Cleveland.
    Brown is probably saying to himself “As long as Kobe is here, I should be able to get 2 or 3 seasons outta this before they figure out I really don’t know jack about coaching”.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah, that botched trade killed them. And then just dumping LO instead of massaging his ego was really, really dumb
    this team would be fine with him
    hell, dallas would welcome a do over.

  • shutup

    the high low isnt the offensive set just the position of two players most of the time the teams bigs so yes, maybe your coach called the set a high low my coach called it Oklahoma zone but once again you know it all

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol just because you don’t know about it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Are you stupid? You can’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, while calling me a know-it-all. That’s the most hypocritical thing you could possibly do in this situation.

  • shutup

    Do i have a phd in the triangle offense? no, but I have seen the bulls and the lakers for that matter dump the ball in the high post and then in turn from the free throw extended dump the ball in a baseline post position or a slashing player thus the use of the high-lo in the triangle. Thats like saying you cant use a post-up in the triangle because my high-school coach used to call one of his sets the post-up.

  • shutup

    and to answer your question obv i’m stupid if my basketball experience leads me to disagree with one of your end-all, be-all proclamations

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Is there a high-lo pass in the triangle? is that what your arguing? Ofcourse there is. There is a high-lo pass in almost every offensive set in basketball. A high-lo offense is a set of plays, that are literally structured around a high-lo post set up. Not a flex, not a triangle (which is basically very complicated Motion/Flex hybrid) Not a motion system, not a 1-4 or a 1-2-2 or 4-1 Down, it’s its own set. The high-lo can have many different names, obviously your coach used in against Zone defenses, and named it for that. which from what I was taught, is the initial reason the offense was created. But it is an offensive system. Whether you have experienced it or not.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Did someone just compare Bynum/Gasol to Ilgauskas/Varejao? Oh lawd…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    It would be hilarious to see Dal. just give back LO. I miss the dude. And he is stinking on the Mavs and the Lakers are stinking with out him. Win-Win…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And I just did some research. The offense LA is running early in the shotclock is a 4-1, Mike Brown calls it “strong corner” – After that initial phase of the offense I have no idea what the Lakers are trying to do. It seems that they get stuck in their early shot-clock offense for entire possessions the majority of the time.

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com K.Holiday

    Guess Pau is not a fan of the Kobe System!

  • shutup

    The set you referring to is based on the pass from the high-post to low post thus the name high-lo. You admitted you can use the high-lo in the triangle so you contradicted yourself, your words-”a high-lo and triangle are not related” many sets include the high-lo in them its position of the two players and where the ball enters the post, like i said earlier. This is the statement I’m arguing against “Shutup, the high-lo is an offensive set. It’s not just a description of where the ball goes to the post from.”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m not talking about a high-lo pass. You can have a high-lo set, run a whole entire play, without a high-lo pass ever taking place. The name of the set only implies the structure of the plays. Do you not know what an offensive set is? is that the problem here?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The name of the set implies the position of the players on the court when the play begins. If you know about the system in question the name also implies the teams offensive strengths. It doesn’t imply a single pass, shot, or movement of any player on any given play. It can include certain things. If we just labeled whole systems off of one pass then there would be no deviation in any name. Every high-lo has aspects of the triangle. Every triangle has aspects of the flex. Every flex has aspects of a 1-4. And so on and so forth.

  • shutup

    but isnt the first option of a high-lo set the high-lo pass? I know what a set is, your arguing forest im arguing trees. nvm, read back through maybe you’ll see your folly, actually I’ll tell you, you make definitive statements that are false like ”a high-lo and triangle are not related” I counter by saying In the triangle you can use the high-lo as the bulls and lakers have, you counter with “Shutup, the high-lo is an offensive set. It’s not just a description of where the ball goes to the post from.” I sit here and smh and pray you can pull your head out of your @$$

  • shutup

    and its not a high-lo set without a player in the high post and low post, even if the pass is never made it has to be an option in the set to make it a true high-lo

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Depends on the play. You can run a high-lo set (obviously you have to have the players in position, or else it’s a different set, shouldn’t have to explain that) without the high or lo pass as the first option. For instance, you can start a high-lo set, that is actually designed for a pick and roll with the high-post man. You swing the ball to the strong or weak side, the high post slides over for the screen, the low post goes to the opposite block, and from there you run your pick and roll, without actually using a high-lo pass, but using the high-lo set. You can do similar things with the triangle, but the initial set up and structure of the play is different. — The reason they are not “related” as I said it, is because one is based on a strong-side/weak-side point of attack w/ an emphasis on passing and movement. The other, is based on post positioning, with more of an emphasis on post/mid range isolations. Different sets, different focus’, small similarities, but ultimately, unrelated. (other then the obvious similarities, which happen in every single offensive set there is).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Maybe pull your head out of your own ass and realize that some people actually do know what they are talking about. Just because you don’t like me, or the things I say, how i comment, that I’m white, or whatever it is, doesn’t mean I am just ignorantly typing to entertain myself. This is pretty clearly something I feel strongly about, and maybe not clearly to you, but have spent a considerable amount of time learning about. Like it or not.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Does anyone realize Marcin Gortat is putting up a 15, 10, 2 statline so far this year? Nice… Might have to toss him in the Top Centers in the game list. So far this year, 1. Dwight
    2. Bynum
    3. Bogut/Nene
    4. Nene/Bogut
    5. Marcin Gortat?

    Obviously guys like Demarcus Cousins, Roy Hibbert, Grag Monroe all could be argued, but the Center position is slowly coming together in the L… Don’t laugh. It’s not as bad as we make it sound.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Gortat’s right where he has been since he started playing heavy minutes for Phoenix. He was a 13 & 9 guy off the bench last season, and he was only playing 29 minutes per.

  • Yowassup

    There have been games this season where it seemed like the focus had been to get the ball inside, at least in the first half, but Gasol and Bynum had trouble converting that into consistent scoring. Instead of driving in, Pau falls back into his jump shot, and while he can be a threat with it, it’s not one of his strongest assets. He’s got plenty of skill to be able to get inside and take those higher percentage shots. And I’ve never understood the praise Bynum gets. He can be a beast on the defensive end but I have yet to see him developing his game to be a better scorer in the low post. Granted, he’s a great player, but to me it looks like he just gives up on a lot of offensive possessions. Kobe gets the criticism, but can you blame him? His assist numbers have been up this season (career=4.7 per game, this season 5.6), which tells me he is distributing the ball better, but why keep passing to his 2 7-footers if they can’t do anything with it?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah, but should we start noticing him nbk? lol..

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol I’ve had him as the (Dwight, Bynum, Noah, Bogut) 5th best center in the league for a while now. So yeah, prolly.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    FTR, Al Horford is a 4 in my mind, he just is stuck in a crappy individual situation. And Brook Lopez is only better then Gortat on offense, and he isn’t so much better that it makes up for his inability to rebound and guard the post.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Hard for me to choose between Nene or Noah. Noah does so much for you, but he can’t bring you nearly as much as Nene offensively. Noah seems to be more of a “winner” though. Think i’ll side with you on Noah being top 5. He needs to start being who he was for the first half of last season though. He was putting up great numbers and really looked good. He has been non existent this year (when he’s played and when he hasn’t obviously) 7,8,1 isn’t going to cut it to be considered top 5. A healthy Noah cuts Marcin out of the top 5. Nene is better than Gortat.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    YES! I have never had Horford as a Center. He plays it fine, but he is naturally a PF. Lopez I have on the outside looking in. He’s nice, but he is not a hard worker from what I see.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I just don’t like Nene on the boards. And he is no more then average protecting the rim. But I don’t at all have a better argument then to just say I like Gortat’s game (as a Center) better then Nene. Who to me, is more of a “traditional” Power Forward.

  • burnt_chicken

    @ nbk 2.52: that’s IRONY not HYPOCRISY. And it’s a very effective rhetorical device, actually…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Nene would BALL as a PF. He has never had the chance though. Camby allowed him to for a bit, but not enough. I don’t like his rebounding, but he is better on the boards than allot of C’s still.

  • burnt_chicken

    also nbk is WHITE?!?! I always thought he was pure gold.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Hypocrisy is a subset of irony, but hypocrisy is typically an intellectual crime while irony is typically humorous. He was seriously calling me a know-it-all while trying to say i didn’t know what I was talking about. His statement was ironic, he was a hypocrite.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    someday atlanta’s gotta find a way for horford to just be a PF… he would kill a lot of guys smh

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That was a very good comment on irony and hypocrisy.
    And Shut up and NBK are both white.
    White-on-white crime for the win!

  • burnt_chicken

    like I said: pure gold. the idiomatic expression “know-it-all” does not, in fact, refer to someone who, in fact, knows it all. “Know-it-all” refers to “a person who believes that he/she has an accurate comprehension of a topic and/or situation when in reality, his/her comprehension is inaccurate and limited”. Thus, although he was being ironic, in a sense, he was NOT being hypocritical whatsoever. He was being quite consistent thematically, actually. Soooo you are wrong. To think otherwise would be hating. unquestionably.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I just pointed that out because of his initial insistence on all of our race.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Burnt chicken with some semantic @ss-whipping.
    this has been an interesting discussion.

  • Mike from Spain

    Well, http://www.coachesclipboard.net/32HiLo.html -> I see that you can run the set and the Hi-Lo pass may or may not happen. I know little about these things because I never played in a team that ran any sets (ignorant coaches… ugh) but well, it looks to me like shutup comes out of the blue antagonizing nbk for… well, for speaking his mind.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol, he was using the phrase to try and degrade my argument while justifying his. He was being a hypocrite. If he called me a know-it-all without actually trying to convey his knowledge of the subject then you would be 100% right. But by using the “know-it-all” phrase in a situation where he personally felt he knew more then m he was in effect being a hypocrit while acting like a true “know-it-all.”

  • shutup

    actually I’m not white I’m mixed, so I’m sorta grey.

  • shutup

    and hypocrisy and irony are in the same kingdom but different phylum. and I clearly showed where you made a hypocrite of yourself. clearly the triangle and the high-lo are related, if you can use the high-lo in the triangle how could it not be? as for the know-it all, i think its accurate as well, and I would like to add some other adjectives, like stubborn, hard-headed and insulting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542782613 The White Steve Smith

    The lakers should send Gasol to the D League. That way he can work on his left and right hand lay ups. Then by the time the playoffs come around Gasol might actually have a post game

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    nbk is white??…..and just what the hell is a 4-1 offense? *sigh* Boy it feels like 05-06 all over again almost. Maybe if Mike Brown would wake the f*ck up and have Gasol play closer to the basket….ugh let me not complain.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Are we related? We both have arms legs, teeth, we both pee in toilets. There are huge similarities between us. We might even throw a ball with the exact same hand. Are we related? – of course there are similarities between the triangle and a high-lo, but the philosophy structure and general focus is different. They are about as related as two people. They are the same thing (basketball plays), but they are not “related” – do you understand what I’m saying yet?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And your still talking about an entry pass. Not a set of plays. I never argued that a high-lo pass was not involved or “related” to the triangle. A high-low set is what is unrelated. (other then them both being offensive sets)

  • laker for life

    lakers need to do whatever it takes to win inside out makes no diffence i would like to see them just play good ball it is enough blame for everyone team ball wins games and that looks good all time this sad to see my Lakers playing badd ball Byunm need to score 20 and 10 rebounds a game Pau needs to score 19 and 9 rebounds 4 assit a game Koby needs to score 22 and 6 rebounds a game Team Team Team Team = Wins Wins 17 time champion Los Angeles Lakers that sounds real good

  • shutup

    And no where not related, I’m a human and your an @$$hole know it all. and I dont pee in toliets i use the shower sinks and dark alleways. I have no problem when people state opinions that are different than mine, I have a problem when people present opinions as facts. Your the one claiming that the pass that the offensive set is named for can be used in the triangle but its not related, this is your opinion. and an entry pass comes from the perimeter to a post player so no I’m not talking about an entry pass, I’m talking about a high-low pass. in the high-low the entry is the one to the high post, because thats the pass that enters the other teams defense. The relation that the high-lo and triangle have is that in both the bigs become the facilator. As opposed to traditional sets where the guard or off guard are the “brain” of the offense. and usually the triangle is ran between the 1/2-3/4-4/5

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    LOL. My point is, the pass is irrelevant. However you want to label it. The fact that the offense is run through the post is just a similarity. Just like a 1-4 high offense generally initiates with a pass (or pick) from the high post. As well with many variations of the flex. And some motion offenses. As I’ve already said previously ” The reason they are not “related” as I said it, is because one is based on a strong-side/weak-side point of attack w/ an emphasis on passing and movement. The other, is based on post positioning, with more of an emphasis on post/mid range isolations. Different sets, different focus’, small similarities, but ultimately, unrelated. (other then the obvious similarities, which happen in every single offensive set there is)”

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And the triangle is not typically ran through any 1 position. That’s the beauty of it. LA ran te triangle at times with LO on the perimeter initiating the offense, Kobe running the strong side post. Or Pau with Kpbe on the weak side. That set is unlike any other, it’s much more fluid. If you HAD to “relate” it too anything it would probably have to be the Motion offense.
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    And by the way, YOU calling people out for the way they present their opinion is another glaring example of your hipocrisy.

  • MLK4Life

    Fucc grammar class! Nbk and shutup are both cracker jacks who can suck cawk

  • shutup

    your lack of understanding of the flex and motion offense could fill another post. the flex and motion are similar but are not close to the triangle or high-lo. the flex and motion are both initiated by dribble penetration and perimeter ball movement. and the 1-4 is generally center court isolation with wing swap picks but you need a ballhandler with possession. and your example of LO initiating the triangle is you using exceptions to prove your point, how many other 6-10 sf/pfs in the league can run the point?
    and @mlk no thank you I’ve had my fill of cawk today, but feel free to share with nbk

  • shutup

    and if I were a cracker I’d be a ritz nice brown on the outside and your mother likes to put me in her mouth

  • shutup

    one of the options in the triangle is a high-lo set, thats how they are related. I cant say it much simpler than that.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You win they are related. But just to let you know Every system has a situation that involves a “high-low” – It’s just a miscommunication because you don’t get the difference between a play and an entire offense. but I get your poit. You win. Now go enjoy your angry little night.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    Oh and I’m not going to address your other points. Your arguing as if every play in every offensive set starts the same. It’s nice that all of your experience with those plays starts and executes in those ways. Maybe you can look at some other playbook, or read about those actual offensive systems. ” the flex and motion are both initiated by dribble penetration and perimeter ball movement.” lol Click my name. It’s a basic version of the flex offense, with a history and diagrams. Just to show you that your ignorant.

  • shutup

    well if i wanted to be a d!ck I could point out that every offensive play does start the same the ball crosses halfcourt thus starting any offensive set. A weak side pick and roll has no high-lo, Isolation or 1-4 has no high low, the two man pick and pop has no high low. And I thought we were arguing sets, not complete offenses. Oh and clicked your name and didnt see one example of the high-lo in the flex. The only thing close was 14b.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    Wasn’t showing you a high-low flex moron. Was proving you are ignorant. And the things you say, for example, “the flex and motion are both initiated by dribble penetration and perimeter ball movement.” reflect that.

  • Justin G.

    nbk, for the love of God WHY are you insisting on arguing with the guy about this? He obviously doesn’t get what you are saying and insists on talking about the pass instead of the set, not being able to differentiate between the two. Just syh and move on

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    A set and an offense are the same thing. You have plays in a set. The set of plays and how they are executed make the offense. A flex set refers to a “flex offense”. a “dribble drive offense,” refers to a motion offense that is based on penetration. The “UCLA offense” is a motion based 1-4-high / high-low combination. Your traditional offense. Their is the read and react offense which is very new. I could go on but I’d rather just say that who you are talking to shouldn’t affect your ability to read. Looking back you started this unprovoked, and your continued insistence on expressing your stupidity is like reading a blog from one of the cast members of the jersey shore.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    Yeah I got it Justin, not the first time. But I don’t like stopping till I feel I get my full point across. I’m out

  • Mike From Spain

    @ nbk -> I personally don’t think that you should have allowed yourself to get worked up – just call the guy out for the way he starts making things personal with no apparent reason, and move on and keep reasonable.

  • blakos

    Some painful reading tbh. I am high on Gortat. He will finish up 17-10-2. Albeit on ave roster.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I wasn’t worked up, I just don’t like dude. If you have read things he’s said in the past you would know that what I say to him is mild. At worst.

  • shutup

    THe feeling is mutual, I dont take kindly to people saying oh thats what you believe, your an idiot, or are you stupid, or any of the other little things that b!tch says. Honestly I try to avoid commenting on posts he has already posted on, unless I feel he’s talking out of his a$$

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    I didn’t call you an idiot for what you believe. I called you ignorant because you have no clue what your talking about. So when you do have a “feeling” maybe reflect on it, before you express it to the world. Your consistently ignorant, rude, and arrogant. Ever since you started commenting.

  • shutup

    So when someone says what are you an idiot, thats not calling someone an idiot? news to me

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    I didn’t say that. The only person that called you an idiot on this page is yourself. But after I just read back and found that out I will gladly agree with you. You are an idiot.

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