Wednesday, January 25th, 2012 at 10:20 am  |  104 responses

Pau Gasol: Lakers Need to Feed the Post More


Pau Gasol, in case you were wondering, hasn’t changed his mind from earlier this week about wanting more touches for himself and Andrew Bynum near the basket. He continues to publicly voice his displeasure with the Lakers’ offense. Reports the OC Register: “Pau Gasol continued to express his frustration over a lack of touches near the basket Tuesday, suggesting the Lakers don’t utilize their interior players fully. Coach Mike Brown has Gasol, a better passer with a steady jump shot, working the high post and Andrew Bynum often the focus down low. It doesn’t always work out as evidenced by the Lakers’ 10-8 record, a fact that has prompted the 7-foot Spaniard to speak out. ‘I think we can use it a little more,’ Gasol told reporters before the team’s first contact practice of the season. ‘We have to make sure we use our interior game. Other teams do. As I mentioned the last game, Orlando goes to their interior game and I don’t think Dwight Howard is that much (more) talented than me and Andrew in the post. Indiana used their post game with (Roy) Hibbert and (David) West. I don’t think they’re much more talented than we are. Why don’t we? I think it’s always an effective way to play the game.’ Brown said Gasol’s ability to facilitate plays and score from mid-range is a key reason why he finds himself near the perimeter. He pointed to Gasol’s 10 assists in the Lakers’ loss to Indiana on Sunday for proof. ‘He had 10 assists and zero turnovers, which to me equates to a lot of points,’ Brown said.”

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  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m not talking about a high-lo pass. You can have a high-lo set, run a whole entire play, without a high-lo pass ever taking place. The name of the set only implies the structure of the plays. Do you not know what an offensive set is? is that the problem here?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The name of the set implies the position of the players on the court when the play begins. If you know about the system in question the name also implies the teams offensive strengths. It doesn’t imply a single pass, shot, or movement of any player on any given play. It can include certain things. If we just labeled whole systems off of one pass then there would be no deviation in any name. Every high-lo has aspects of the triangle. Every triangle has aspects of the flex. Every flex has aspects of a 1-4. And so on and so forth.

  • shutup

    but isnt the first option of a high-lo set the high-lo pass? I know what a set is, your arguing forest im arguing trees. nvm, read back through maybe you’ll see your folly, actually I’ll tell you, you make definitive statements that are false like ”a high-lo and triangle are not related” I counter by saying In the triangle you can use the high-lo as the bulls and lakers have, you counter with “Shutup, the high-lo is an offensive set. It’s not just a description of where the ball goes to the post from.” I sit here and smh and pray you can pull your head out of your @$$

  • shutup

    and its not a high-lo set without a player in the high post and low post, even if the pass is never made it has to be an option in the set to make it a true high-lo

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Depends on the play. You can run a high-lo set (obviously you have to have the players in position, or else it’s a different set, shouldn’t have to explain that) without the high or lo pass as the first option. For instance, you can start a high-lo set, that is actually designed for a pick and roll with the high-post man. You swing the ball to the strong or weak side, the high post slides over for the screen, the low post goes to the opposite block, and from there you run your pick and roll, without actually using a high-lo pass, but using the high-lo set. You can do similar things with the triangle, but the initial set up and structure of the play is different. — The reason they are not “related” as I said it, is because one is based on a strong-side/weak-side point of attack w/ an emphasis on passing and movement. The other, is based on post positioning, with more of an emphasis on post/mid range isolations. Different sets, different focus’, small similarities, but ultimately, unrelated. (other then the obvious similarities, which happen in every single offensive set there is).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Maybe pull your head out of your own ass and realize that some people actually do know what they are talking about. Just because you don’t like me, or the things I say, how i comment, that I’m white, or whatever it is, doesn’t mean I am just ignorantly typing to entertain myself. This is pretty clearly something I feel strongly about, and maybe not clearly to you, but have spent a considerable amount of time learning about. Like it or not.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Does anyone realize Marcin Gortat is putting up a 15, 10, 2 statline so far this year? Nice… Might have to toss him in the Top Centers in the game list. So far this year, 1. Dwight
    2. Bynum
    3. Bogut/Nene
    4. Nene/Bogut
    5. Marcin Gortat?

    Obviously guys like Demarcus Cousins, Roy Hibbert, Grag Monroe all could be argued, but the Center position is slowly coming together in the L… Don’t laugh. It’s not as bad as we make it sound.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Gortat’s right where he has been since he started playing heavy minutes for Phoenix. He was a 13 & 9 guy off the bench last season, and he was only playing 29 minutes per.

  • Yowassup

    There have been games this season where it seemed like the focus had been to get the ball inside, at least in the first half, but Gasol and Bynum had trouble converting that into consistent scoring. Instead of driving in, Pau falls back into his jump shot, and while he can be a threat with it, it’s not one of his strongest assets. He’s got plenty of skill to be able to get inside and take those higher percentage shots. And I’ve never understood the praise Bynum gets. He can be a beast on the defensive end but I have yet to see him developing his game to be a better scorer in the low post. Granted, he’s a great player, but to me it looks like he just gives up on a lot of offensive possessions. Kobe gets the criticism, but can you blame him? His assist numbers have been up this season (career=4.7 per game, this season 5.6), which tells me he is distributing the ball better, but why keep passing to his 2 7-footers if they can’t do anything with it?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah, but should we start noticing him nbk? lol..

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol I’ve had him as the (Dwight, Bynum, Noah, Bogut) 5th best center in the league for a while now. So yeah, prolly.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    FTR, Al Horford is a 4 in my mind, he just is stuck in a crappy individual situation. And Brook Lopez is only better then Gortat on offense, and he isn’t so much better that it makes up for his inability to rebound and guard the post.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Hard for me to choose between Nene or Noah. Noah does so much for you, but he can’t bring you nearly as much as Nene offensively. Noah seems to be more of a “winner” though. Think i’ll side with you on Noah being top 5. He needs to start being who he was for the first half of last season though. He was putting up great numbers and really looked good. He has been non existent this year (when he’s played and when he hasn’t obviously) 7,8,1 isn’t going to cut it to be considered top 5. A healthy Noah cuts Marcin out of the top 5. Nene is better than Gortat.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    YES! I have never had Horford as a Center. He plays it fine, but he is naturally a PF. Lopez I have on the outside looking in. He’s nice, but he is not a hard worker from what I see.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I just don’t like Nene on the boards. And he is no more then average protecting the rim. But I don’t at all have a better argument then to just say I like Gortat’s game (as a Center) better then Nene. Who to me, is more of a “traditional” Power Forward.

  • burnt_chicken

    @ nbk 2.52: that’s IRONY not HYPOCRISY. And it’s a very effective rhetorical device, actually…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Nene would BALL as a PF. He has never had the chance though. Camby allowed him to for a bit, but not enough. I don’t like his rebounding, but he is better on the boards than allot of C’s still.

  • burnt_chicken

    also nbk is WHITE?!?! I always thought he was pure gold.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Hypocrisy is a subset of irony, but hypocrisy is typically an intellectual crime while irony is typically humorous. He was seriously calling me a know-it-all while trying to say i didn’t know what I was talking about. His statement was ironic, he was a hypocrite.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    someday atlanta’s gotta find a way for horford to just be a PF… he would kill a lot of guys smh

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That was a very good comment on irony and hypocrisy.
    And Shut up and NBK are both white.
    White-on-white crime for the win!

  • burnt_chicken

    like I said: pure gold. the idiomatic expression “know-it-all” does not, in fact, refer to someone who, in fact, knows it all. “Know-it-all” refers to “a person who believes that he/she has an accurate comprehension of a topic and/or situation when in reality, his/her comprehension is inaccurate and limited”. Thus, although he was being ironic, in a sense, he was NOT being hypocritical whatsoever. He was being quite consistent thematically, actually. Soooo you are wrong. To think otherwise would be hating. unquestionably.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I just pointed that out because of his initial insistence on all of our race.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Burnt chicken with some semantic @ss-whipping.
    this has been an interesting discussion.

  • Mike from Spain

    Well, http://www.coachesclipboard.net/32HiLo.html -> I see that you can run the set and the Hi-Lo pass may or may not happen. I know little about these things because I never played in a team that ran any sets (ignorant coaches… ugh) but well, it looks to me like shutup comes out of the blue antagonizing nbk for… well, for speaking his mind.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol, he was using the phrase to try and degrade my argument while justifying his. He was being a hypocrite. If he called me a know-it-all without actually trying to convey his knowledge of the subject then you would be 100% right. But by using the “know-it-all” phrase in a situation where he personally felt he knew more then m he was in effect being a hypocrit while acting like a true “know-it-all.”

  • shutup

    actually I’m not white I’m mixed, so I’m sorta grey.

  • shutup

    and hypocrisy and irony are in the same kingdom but different phylum. and I clearly showed where you made a hypocrite of yourself. clearly the triangle and the high-lo are related, if you can use the high-lo in the triangle how could it not be? as for the know-it all, i think its accurate as well, and I would like to add some other adjectives, like stubborn, hard-headed and insulting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542782613 The White Steve Smith

    The lakers should send Gasol to the D League. That way he can work on his left and right hand lay ups. Then by the time the playoffs come around Gasol might actually have a post game

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    nbk is white??…..and just what the hell is a 4-1 offense? *sigh* Boy it feels like 05-06 all over again almost. Maybe if Mike Brown would wake the f*ck up and have Gasol play closer to the basket….ugh let me not complain.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Are we related? We both have arms legs, teeth, we both pee in toilets. There are huge similarities between us. We might even throw a ball with the exact same hand. Are we related? – of course there are similarities between the triangle and a high-lo, but the philosophy structure and general focus is different. They are about as related as two people. They are the same thing (basketball plays), but they are not “related” – do you understand what I’m saying yet?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And your still talking about an entry pass. Not a set of plays. I never argued that a high-lo pass was not involved or “related” to the triangle. A high-low set is what is unrelated. (other then them both being offensive sets)

  • laker for life

    lakers need to do whatever it takes to win inside out makes no diffence i would like to see them just play good ball it is enough blame for everyone team ball wins games and that looks good all time this sad to see my Lakers playing badd ball Byunm need to score 20 and 10 rebounds a game Pau needs to score 19 and 9 rebounds 4 assit a game Koby needs to score 22 and 6 rebounds a game Team Team Team Team = Wins Wins 17 time champion Los Angeles Lakers that sounds real good

  • shutup

    And no where not related, I’m a human and your an @$$hole know it all. and I dont pee in toliets i use the shower sinks and dark alleways. I have no problem when people state opinions that are different than mine, I have a problem when people present opinions as facts. Your the one claiming that the pass that the offensive set is named for can be used in the triangle but its not related, this is your opinion. and an entry pass comes from the perimeter to a post player so no I’m not talking about an entry pass, I’m talking about a high-low pass. in the high-low the entry is the one to the high post, because thats the pass that enters the other teams defense. The relation that the high-lo and triangle have is that in both the bigs become the facilator. As opposed to traditional sets where the guard or off guard are the “brain” of the offense. and usually the triangle is ran between the 1/2-3/4-4/5

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    LOL. My point is, the pass is irrelevant. However you want to label it. The fact that the offense is run through the post is just a similarity. Just like a 1-4 high offense generally initiates with a pass (or pick) from the high post. As well with many variations of the flex. And some motion offenses. As I’ve already said previously ” The reason they are not “related” as I said it, is because one is based on a strong-side/weak-side point of attack w/ an emphasis on passing and movement. The other, is based on post positioning, with more of an emphasis on post/mid range isolations. Different sets, different focus’, small similarities, but ultimately, unrelated. (other then the obvious similarities, which happen in every single offensive set there is)”

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And the triangle is not typically ran through any 1 position. That’s the beauty of it. LA ran te triangle at times with LO on the perimeter initiating the offense, Kobe running the strong side post. Or Pau with Kpbe on the weak side. That set is unlike any other, it’s much more fluid. If you HAD to “relate” it too anything it would probably have to be the Motion offense.
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    And by the way, YOU calling people out for the way they present their opinion is another glaring example of your hipocrisy.

  • MLK4Life

    Fucc grammar class! Nbk and shutup are both cracker jacks who can suck cawk

  • shutup

    your lack of understanding of the flex and motion offense could fill another post. the flex and motion are similar but are not close to the triangle or high-lo. the flex and motion are both initiated by dribble penetration and perimeter ball movement. and the 1-4 is generally center court isolation with wing swap picks but you need a ballhandler with possession. and your example of LO initiating the triangle is you using exceptions to prove your point, how many other 6-10 sf/pfs in the league can run the point?
    and @mlk no thank you I’ve had my fill of cawk today, but feel free to share with nbk

  • shutup

    and if I were a cracker I’d be a ritz nice brown on the outside and your mother likes to put me in her mouth

  • shutup

    one of the options in the triangle is a high-lo set, thats how they are related. I cant say it much simpler than that.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You win they are related. But just to let you know Every system has a situation that involves a “high-low” – It’s just a miscommunication because you don’t get the difference between a play and an entire offense. but I get your poit. You win. Now go enjoy your angry little night.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    Oh and I’m not going to address your other points. Your arguing as if every play in every offensive set starts the same. It’s nice that all of your experience with those plays starts and executes in those ways. Maybe you can look at some other playbook, or read about those actual offensive systems. ” the flex and motion are both initiated by dribble penetration and perimeter ball movement.” lol Click my name. It’s a basic version of the flex offense, with a history and diagrams. Just to show you that your ignorant.

  • shutup

    well if i wanted to be a d!ck I could point out that every offensive play does start the same the ball crosses halfcourt thus starting any offensive set. A weak side pick and roll has no high-lo, Isolation or 1-4 has no high low, the two man pick and pop has no high low. And I thought we were arguing sets, not complete offenses. Oh and clicked your name and didnt see one example of the high-lo in the flex. The only thing close was 14b.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    Wasn’t showing you a high-low flex moron. Was proving you are ignorant. And the things you say, for example, “the flex and motion are both initiated by dribble penetration and perimeter ball movement.” reflect that.

  • Justin G.

    nbk, for the love of God WHY are you insisting on arguing with the guy about this? He obviously doesn’t get what you are saying and insists on talking about the pass instead of the set, not being able to differentiate between the two. Just syh and move on

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    A set and an offense are the same thing. You have plays in a set. The set of plays and how they are executed make the offense. A flex set refers to a “flex offense”. a “dribble drive offense,” refers to a motion offense that is based on penetration. The “UCLA offense” is a motion based 1-4-high / high-low combination. Your traditional offense. Their is the read and react offense which is very new. I could go on but I’d rather just say that who you are talking to shouldn’t affect your ability to read. Looking back you started this unprovoked, and your continued insistence on expressing your stupidity is like reading a blog from one of the cast members of the jersey shore.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    Yeah I got it Justin, not the first time. But I don’t like stopping till I feel I get my full point across. I’m out

  • Mike From Spain

    @ nbk -> I personally don’t think that you should have allowed yourself to get worked up – just call the guy out for the way he starts making things personal with no apparent reason, and move on and keep reasonable.

  • blakos

    Some painful reading tbh. I am high on Gortat. He will finish up 17-10-2. Albeit on ave roster.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I wasn’t worked up, I just don’t like dude. If you have read things he’s said in the past you would know that what I say to him is mild. At worst.

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