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Tuesday, January 24th, 2012 at 8:35 am  |  65 responses

Post Up: Duncan Downs Hornets

Blowouts, blowouts and more blowouts, with a TD game-winner in between.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

There were 10 NBA games last night, with more than half of them decided by halftime. And it all began with one of the most hard-to-watch halves of basketball I’ve ever had the pleasure of enduring. With that in mind, forgive me for the brevity and negative attitude that I’m sure will litter the remainder of this post. Here goes…

Sixers 103, Wizards 83

Sigh. I’m sad to report the Lizards are back. By halftime, Washington was down 62-32. That’s around the time I started doing other things with my time. Like playing with fire and punching myself repeatedly. Elton Brand and Jrue Holiday had 17 points apiece, Andre Iguodala had 11 assists, and the Sixers’ bench scored 45 points in the absolute thrashing of the Wiz. Jordan Crawford led Washington with 17 points, but shot just 6-of-16, while John Wall had 13 points (5-11 FG), 4 rebounds, 5 assists and 4 turnovers. The Sixers shot 52 percent to improve to 12-5, and get New Jersey, Charlotte and Detroit next up on the schedule. I’d like to leave it at that if that’s cool with you guys. Plenty more less depressing games to talk about from last night.

Celtics 87, Magic 56

Speaking of depressing, Orlando shot 24.6 percent from the field for the game, lowest in the NBA since 2004, and scored a franchise-low 56 points. And Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo didn’t even play—Boston’s starting backcourt was Avery Bradley and Sasha Pavlovic. Ryan Anderson went 0-for-8 with zero points, J-Rich and Jameer Nelson had 5 points each, and Dwight Howard shot 4-for-15 (though he did have 18 points, 14 rebounds and a tomahawk). It got so bad for the Magic, that they didn’t even want/remember to have 5 guys on the court at all times. Paul Pierce and Brandon Bass scored 19 apiece, while Kevin Garnett had 14 and 10 in the Celtics’ dismantling of Orlando. The Magic had 23 turnovers, the C’s led by as many as 33, and, and…yeah, the Magic looked horrible. Bye, Dwight?!

Spurs 104, Hornets 102

Tim Duncan played 34 minutes and scored a season-high 28 points—including a game-winning runner from the free throw line with just over one second left to play—to lift the Spurs to just their second road win on the season (11-7 overall). Tony Parker backed up his big man with 20 points and a ridiculous 17 assists, and San Antonio shot 55 percent as a team. Carl Landry missed a desperation heave at the buzzer, and the Hornets dropped No. 8 in a row (3-14 for the year, 1-9 at home). But hey, New Orleans scored 100+ points for the first time this year, and were within a possession of beating the Spurs after Emeka Okafor denied Tiago Splitter at the rim and Landry tipped in a Jarret Jack miss to tie things up. Jack had 26 points, 9 assists and 6 boards, and Landry and Trevor Ariza each chipped in 18. But alas, America runs on Duncan.

Bulls 110, Nets 95

Apparently DRose’s ankle toe is just fine—he scored 22 points to lead the Bulls past the Nets, who played without MarShon Brooks. It’s sort of sad when a missing rookie means a team has no chance, but in New Jersey’s case, it’s probably true. Deron Williams scored 16 points and dished out 10 assists, and Jordan Farmar scored 22 off the bench, but by the end of one quarter, the Bulls were up 28-18 and cruised to the easy W from there. Richard Hamilton set season-highs in points (22) and assists (10) and eclipsed 15,000 career points on a fast break finish from a Derrick Rose delivery. Also, Brian Scalabrine played 23 minutes, finishing with 5 points. For you math majors out there, that’s 5 more points than Nets starting SG DeShawn Stevenson scored.

Hawks 97, Bucks 92

Joe Johnson scored 14 of his 28 points in the fourth quarter, and the Hawks survived a late push from the Bucks to move to 13-5. Milwaukee was coming off wins over the Heat and Knicks, and got 21 points and 11 assists from Brandon Jennings, but turned the ball over on their potential game-tying possession, and the Hawks salted this one away with free throws. Josh Smith continued his hot start to the season with 19 points and 13 boards, plus 4 assists and 3 blocked shots (not a single turnover!), and Zaza Pachulia pulled down 14 rebounds for Atlanta in the first game of a 5-game road trip. Andrew Bogut had 12 rebounds for the Bucks, but shot just 3-for-10 and scored only 6 points.

Rockets 107, Wolves 92

The Rockets might be the hottest team in the NBA right now (we’ll get to Memphis in a moment). Last night they won their seventh in a row, despite 39 points and 12 rebounds from Kevin Love. Houston’s own Kevin (Martin) scored 31 and Kyle Lowry had a triple-double with 16 points, 10 rebounds and 10 assists, as the Rockets used big first and fourth quarters to get past the Wolves. Lowry even snuck one of his assists between Luke Ridnour’s legs. (Why is Luke always the victim of sick highlights?) Ricky Rubio had 12 assists, but shot just 2-of-10 for 6 points, and it was Houston that got out in transition, not Minnesota—the Rockets racked up 21 fast break points. Okay, fine, one Rubio highlight.

Thunder 99, Pistons 79

Whaddaya know, another blowout. The Thunder went up 30 by the second quarter and the Pistons never got back within 17 after midway through that period, as they shot a miserable 34 percent and were outrebounded 51-38. Russell Westbrook and James Harden each scored 24 points (RW had 16 at half) and Kevin Durant had 20, including two on a pretty fast break dish from Russ. Detroit is now 10 games under .500 at 4-14, while Oklahoma City sits at 14-3. Rookie Brandon Knight was the Pistons’ leading scorer with 13 points. Yes, 13 points was the leader. Seriously how did the Pistons win 4 games already? Greg Monroe had 12 and 7, but missed 9 of his first 10 shots. Tough times in Detroit!

Mavericks 93, Suns 87

With Finals MVP Dirk Nowitzki nursing a sore knee, Shawn Marion turned back the clock and score a season-high 29 points to lead the Mavs past the Suns. (There’s a Matrix-time machine joke here, so have at it.) Dallas has won seven straight at home (11-7 overall) and have three more home challenges up next: Minnesota, Utah, San Antonio. Incredibly, Ian Mahinmi scored 17 points to help Marion, and the Mavs held Phoenix to 37 percent field goal shooting en route to the win. Steve Nash had 12 assists but just 8 points (2-9 shooting) while Marcin Gortat went for his 8th straight double-double, this time 19 and 17. The Suns turned it over 19 times, leading to 21 Dallas points and Sebastian Telfair was ejected after things got chippy in the fourth quarter. PHX just straight up couldn’t hang with the Dirk-less Champs, and Jared Dudley knows it was a missed opportunity.

Trail Blazers 101, Kings 89

It would be easy to call this one another snoozer on a rather uneventful evening, but nothing in Portland ever is. Those fans, man. After a dead-even first quarter, the Blazers outscored the Kings 32-17 in the second quarter, and it would have been even worse if not for another Tyreke Evans halfcourt heave. Side note: does Tyreke practice those shots? Back to business, Jamal Crawford scored a season-high 26 points to lead all scorers, and Portland outrebounded SacTown 53 to 36. DeMarcus Cousins had 13 rebounds and 18 points, after surviving a seemingly nasty fall after an alley-oop, and Jimmer Fredette scored 13 off the bench, but Gerald Wallace had 20 and LaMarcus Aldridge posted a 13/16 double-double, plus 5 assists, helping the Blazers get to 10-7.

Grizzlies 91, Warriors 90

Okay, Memphis, we see you. That’s seven in a row for the smoking hot Grizzlies, who this time overcame a 20-point second-half deficit to beat the reeling Warriors. Rudy Gay scored 23 points and closed things out with a bucket in the waning moments to put the game out of reach. Memphis scored 16 fast break points in the fourth quarter (and 39 total points in the fourth), and got 20 points and 9 dimes from Mike Conley. Stephen Curry, in just his second game back from an ankle injury that cost him three weeks, looked shaky, but still got to 18 points and crossed Conley up at one point on a smooth move. Curry and Monta Ellis (20 points) had 12 turnovers between them, though, and Golden State had 24 as a team.

Line of the Night: Take your pick: Kyle Lowry’s 16/10/10 triple-double, KLove’s 39 points (13-19 FG, 5-5 3-pointers) and 12 rebounds, or Tony Parker with 20 points and 17 dimes.

Moment of the Night: Tim Duncan hits the game-winner. And did I detect a hint of a shimmy?

Dunk of the Night: Russell Westbrook…Dear God…

White Mamba of the Night: As long as he keeps playing, the highlights will keep coming.

Tonight: Five games on the docket tonight, highlighted by Magic-Pacers at 7 and Grizzlies-Blazers at 10. Then again, I’m assuming most of tomorrow’s discussion will center around Knicks-Bobcats. Hey, there’s always the Giants.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    I’m just gonna say it – as a huge Rockets fan, right now, I don’t care who your PG is – I’m taking Kyle Lowry over him. He’s been the most consistent PG in the L this season, easily. Better than CP, Deron, Rose.
    It’s not just in the all-nba calibre stats – it’s the way he’s controlled and championed the Rockets on both sides of the floor. So much heart.

  • Myung

    I’ve been critical of Josh and I STILL don’t want him shooting jumpers, but that three he hit last night was the nail in the coffin. Got to give him props for that one. Without that three, we probably lose the game. Really good road win for the Hawks. I know it was just the Bucks, but that’s the kind of game we tend to lose.

  • Myung

    Hursty, Lowry has been fantastic and deserves an All Star nod…

  • logues

    although i somewhat disagree with you Hursty, lowry has been a beast this yr. i was mad when i didnt get him on my fantasy team

  • Myung

    BTW, the trade that brought Lowry from Memphis was a crazy steal… Houston gave up Skip To My Lou to Orlando to get him (three team trade), while Memphis basically got DeMarre Carroll (Orlando’s 2009 first round draft rights). I guess Memphis figured Conley was the PG of the future, but in hindsight, they could’ve just kept Lowry at the 1 and not picked Conley in 2007. I just looked at who got picked in the 2007 draft behind Conley, and to be honest (despite Memphis already having Lowry), Conley was still probably the best player to take at #4 (although again, why take a first round PG in consecutive drafts?). The guys immediately following him were Jeff Green, Yi, Corey Brewer, and Brendan Wright so you can’t completely knock Memphis for taking Conley (best available player?). I guess in HINDSIGHT, Joakim Noah (#9) should’ve been their pick instead of Conley, but other than Horford and Durant, there were no studs in the first round that year (thanks to Oden’s injury woes and a lot of first round busts). the BIGGEST irony of all? I noticed Marc Gasol was picked by the Lakers in round 2 of that year. Obviously, Memphis never would’ve used the 4th pick on Marc, but historically, he actually may go down as the 3rd or 4th best player to come out of the 2007 draft. Had they just drafted Marc (rather than trading for him), Memphis would’ve had a core of Marc AND Pau Gasol with Lowry running the point (and the Lakers never would’ve gotten Pau at the trade deadline, I’m sure).

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    logues – who would you take over Lowry? I’m not criticising you – merely curious who you think has played better over the first 1/4 of the season?

  • Myung

    Jeff Teague! jk

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Myung – that’s crazy.
    Btw, remember the Brandon Roy/Randy Foye trade – if that never happens.. man..hind sight is crazy huh. Foye was drafted in ’06 by Boston, sent in a trade to Portland immediately, then immediately after that went to Minny for Brandon Roy.
    Now, if Boston keeps Foye, they have 2 rookie guards (Rondo being the other), and they still have that disgusting 15(ish) win season and a year later end up trading for KG and Ray Ray.
    Meanwhile, Portland is blowing up with the possibility of Oden/Roy and eventually deal with multiple injuries and miss out on KD.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Teague isn’t that bad haha. He’s improved so much since last year, I know he’s getting a LOT more PT, but it’s obvious that he’s gotten better. He’s still in the middle/lower 1/2 of starting PG’s, but there are definitely worse ones out there.

  • Myung

    What about the Lamarcus Alrdige-Tyrus Thomas trade that same year? The Bulls got Rose two years later so everything turned out OK, but that was a terrible trade for them. But getting back to Memphis, OJ Mayo is no scrub, but I’m thinking Memphis would rather have Kevin Love, no? These draft day trades are always so one sided.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Go back to 2000. Kenyon Martin, Stromile Swift, Darius Miles, Marcus Fizer, Mike Miller are the top 5 picks.
    There is literally no way you could ‘win’ any draft day trade, unless maybe you got Jamal Crawford, Hedo or Mike Redd – all of whom have serious deficiencies (defence, half a decade to do anything significant, and injuries respectively).

  • Myung

    2000 was the worst draft since probably 1986. That draft was ridiculously bad. When Mike Miller wins rookie of the year and an old Marc “Not Mark” Jackson is one of the best players on the Rookie Squad during the Rookie Sophomore game, you know you’ve got a weak class. 2011 might give 2000 a run for its money when all is said and done though.

  • Myung

    I was a big critic of Teague, but I’ve come to love him. His confidence got a huge boost playing the Bulls last year, and he’s carried that into this year. These are the PG’s who are CLEARLY better than him: Rondo, CP3, Deron, Rose, Lowry, Westbrook. These are the ones who are arguably better than him: Nash and Wall. I’d put him on the same level as these guys: Holiday, Jack, Tony Parker, Steph Curry, Rubio (can’t believe I’m already putting him in this group, but he’s earned it), Felton, Kyrie, and Ty Lawson. I’d put him ahead of Conley, Jameer, and Augustin. I agree that he’s in the middle of the pack among NBA PG’s, but considering 1. Apologies to Mike Bibby and Jason Terry (who was a 2 guard for us, masquerading as a point guard) and Kirk Hinrich, but we haven’t had a decent starting PG since Mookie Blaylock (and Mookie’s prime was over FIFTEEN years ago) and 2. Teague was generally considered a bust among most Hawks fans by the time we acquired Hinrich last year so his turnaround in Round 2 last year was remarkable… we in Atlanta are relieved to finally have a legit PG on our squad. Ironically, he just happened to attend the same college (Wake) as the guy we chould’ve/should’ve drafted in 2005. I’d say he’s got to be one of the top candidates for Most Improved Player. And the thing about Teague is, he isn’t just an offensive PG (half decent scoring and assist numbers). Unlike some of the League’s best PG’s (Nash, Steph Curry, Parker), he plays both sides of the court (2nd in the League in total steals).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Duncan started cooking last night. And he was feeling it, that boy even did a little dance when he hit some shots. It was shocking and wonderful at the same time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also, Shawn Marion has shown that his game wasn’t dependent solely on Steve Nash in the past two or three seasons.
    He’s not putting up the same numbers, but that’s mainly because he isn’t getting the same minutes or touches that he got in Phoenix under Nash and Kidd.
    I’m pleased that dude has managed to show that he always had game, even if he still can’t dribble reliably.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myung
    Yeah, you’re a little too high on Teague. He has the potential to join the group included him in, but he’s not there yet.
    Jarret Jack is flat out better than him, so is Jrue Holiday when you consider defense. You’re sleeping on Tony, Steph and Rubio if you think Teague i on the level.
    Honestly, he’s not better than Conley at all, and probably not Kyrie or Ty Lawons either. Nor Felton. Nash and Wall are clearly better. So is a healthy Steph.
    Teague is really talented and has all the tools but he needs more experience and he needs more confidence in looking for his shot, particuarly in going to the rim and finishing. He is tentative too often, and defers when he needs to be making decisions. I like his potential though, I believe I said that last year because he has great physical attributes.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    The White Mamba strikes again!!!

  • Mike From Spain

    I , as a fan of Rubio, have to say he sucked this game. The good news is that when he sucks he still delivers 12 assists, but well… he’s shot abysmally bad for the last 4 or 5 games, Kevin Love also had two off nights. I think it is the minutes they both are playing , together with the fact that RR never was the best of shooters. I wonder what could be a good trade for the Timberwolves to upgrade at the 2 or the 5 without losing Love or Rubio…

  • Myung

    Allen, I probably am. haha. But while I admit I’m a Hawks homer, I’m also wasn’t a Teague fan until this year so I feel like I’m being fairly objective. As is the case with most sport debates, there’s no right or wrong when it comes to opinion, particularly in discussions like this where I feel like I’m being fairly reasonable (it’s not like I’m saying Teague is better than Chris Paul or Rajon Rondo), but I can definitely respect your opinion (I respect your hoops knowledge anyway). I think you could ARGUE that the guys I clumped him in with are all better than him, but I don’t think a compelling case could be made for any of them where I will go, “Yes, you’re 100% right… Teague is clearly worse than them.” When you consider his SPEED, his defense prowess, his quick hands, and his improved jumper, Teague is a legit force in this League and unlike some of the guys I named, he hasn’t hit his ceiling. So we’ll just agree to disagree, my friend.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Teague as a PG, is an upper echelon defender. Offensively though, he’s still pretty far down the pack. He’s in that DJ Augustin category offensively, probably a little worse.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @Abe – for your Bulls write up…Rose’s ankle looked fine because its turf toe that kept him out, not his ankle.

    I know Scalabrinie is a joke and all that, but for the past few games…and at the end of games when he normally gets put in..he makes some heads up plays and distributes the ball well. And when he has the open shot he makes it. If there’s going to be a league wide inside joke about a player getting playing time at the end of games, there are a lot of players in the league that are worse than Scal who should take that role over.

  • Myung

    I agree that he’s not the scorer or shooter Augustin is. There are actually several PG’s that I didn’t even name who are better offensively than Teague. His offensive game is still developing, but if you consider his defense AND his offense, he is a very complete PG, which puts him in the middle of the NBA pack among starting PG’s.

  • AD

    kyle lowry always been nice….. its nice to see he’s taking advantage

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’d put him in the 5th tier of starting PG’s.
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    Paul, Rose, Williams
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    Rondo, Westbrook, Nash
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    Steph, Lowry, Parker,
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    Holiday, Wall, Felton, Lawson, Jennings, Conley
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    Irving, Rubio, (Irving and Rubio could be a tier higher) Jack, Teague, Mo Williams.
    .
    the rest

  • LA Huey

    White Mamba strikes with 100% accuracy.

  • Myung

    I’m OK with putting him in your 5th tier, NBK, although I think you overrate Parker a little too much, as well as B Jennings. I’d take Teague over Brandon Jennings 11 out of 10 times.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    elol that’s fair. I like Jennings because he has the ability to carry an offense, and he is not a bad defender despite popular perception. I probably value playmaking a little to much for PG’s. to be honest.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Hope that list wasnt in no particular order.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    White Mamba, when he strikes, 60% of the time it works, every time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can agree with NBK’s list.
    I guess I really like Jarret Jack’s attitude and his game. I watch him a lot more than those other guys because Hornets games come on the tube all the time down here and dude balls hard and is never afraid or hesitant.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tony Parker might still be the best finishing point guard in the League, and that includes Derrick Rose.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    This has been Tony Parker’s worst career season finishing at the rim. And I believe he is still over 60%. I would agree that he is the best finisher in the league among PG’s.

  • Myung

    I guess I discount Parker because 1. His game has fallen off a little bit and 2. He leaves a lot to be desired defensively. Still a fine player, and like you guys said, he’s an incredible scorer in the paint and at the rim. But personally, I’d take Rose over Parker as a finisher. I’d take Rose over anyone in the NBA under 6 and a half feet tall, as far as finishing at the rim. Dude is unstoppable, and unlike TP, Rose can throw it down if he feels like it.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP, weren’t you the one that said Ellis’s underrated? Mind explaining to me why you think so because from what I saw last night and throughout the entire season, dude is a glorified chucker who just happens to be a good passer. On that last second play, SCurry was wide open on the other side of the court but Ellis thought it was in his best interest to take a contested 3 over 7-1 Gasol. He made horrible decisions all night long, so it’s not like that one play was an anomaly. GS has yet to make the playoffs with him as their best player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Monta was better last season.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Co-sign Myung at 10:19. Teague is still figuring out when exactly to attack and when to defer but otherwise he’s been great. Teague for MIP

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Definitely wouldn’t put Teague below Holiday, Wall and Jennings right now. I can understand Felton, Lawson, Conley ahead of him though.

  • Myung

    Safe to say we haven’t seen this many good PG’s in the NBA at one time in a long time? When the Atlanta Hawks have a good starting point guard, you KNOW the PG position in the NBA is pretty healthy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Outside of defense (and arguably) hat does Teague do better then Wall? And Name 1 thing he does better then Jrue Holiday. Just 1. I’ll wait.

  • Myung

    That being said, it’s astounding that the Lakers are still trotting out Derek Fisher at PG. There are plenty of teams in the League with back up PG’s better than Fisher (Hinrich, CJ Watson, Barea, Bayless and Barbosa, Mo Williams and Bledsoe, just to name a few).

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    WOW… there’s so many good PG’s. Some teams have 3 good PG’s. The Lakers have zero. It’s bad when Luke Ridinour is a Laker fans dream come true.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Monta is underrated. Dude is an underrated passer. He’s an undersized two guard asked to carry the scoring load on a small team and miscast as the best player.
    MOnta Ellis should never be the best player on a team with subpar talent and expected to make that team win. Just like Joe Johnson.
    But, on a team with a good mix of talent he can be an incredible difference maker. I know he takes some bad shots, but I really like his game. dude is a scorer, but often he finds the open man. His role on that team is to be their best bucket getter. He handles it well to me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    His passing acumen is the same as Kobe’s. It’s a last resort. I don’t understand how you don’t see that about Ellis’ game.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    That doesn’t mean he’s not a good passer nbk. Kobe and Monta are both good passers, but are both better scorers then passers. I wouldn’t say either of them pass the ball as a last resort. It’s their 2nd option… They are SG’s. You seem to have unrealistic expectations from players who don’t play the PG position and their passing. It’s a PG’s job to pass. It’s a scorers job to score.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol you don’t know the difference between a good shot and a bad shot? Passing is a last resort. Especially for Kobe. Ellis is more inclined to make the right play, but by no means would be rather do that then take a shot. What you seem not to understand is that good basketball plays are made by any position. The title of the position they play is irrelevant.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Having the ability to make a good pass and being a good passer are different.

  • Allenp

    Monta is a more willing passer that Kobe. He sees the floor about the same but Kobe looks open guys off more even when he sees them.
    Jrue Holiday hasn’t made the big leap I was looking for but he is the best defensive point in the League a very good shooter and very aggressive. His problem is being too aggressive at times. Jennings is hooping this year so far despite subpart play from Bogut. Wall is a stat stuffer and very solid on defense.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Being a good play maker and being a good passer are different.

  • Allenp

    You and I agree NBK. But calling him a chucked implies that he is regularly overlooking smart passes. I feel like he makes the passes he sees.

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    Im with Allen p on this one.. monta is underated , he the best scoring sg beside the two hall famers and the best passing sg in the game. He might got worse with the shot selection this year which is 42 but that the lowest it been since he came in the league. plus the boi can defend even being undersized

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here, Wade is the best passing 2guard in the L.

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    I do apologize for my out burst lol.. wade is put monta is 2nd but htis season monta 7 a game

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Outside of athleticism what does Wall have on Teague? Teague shoots better, understands the game better, plays better on-ball defense… honestly I have seen the Hawks blow out the Wizards too many times the last two years to be very impressed with Wall. Still haven’t seen him play under control for more than one possession at a time. I agree he has more potential, though.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Better rebounder, superior passer, and better finisher at the rim. Just to name a few. Also, I wouldn’t consider either one to have a deep understanding of the game at this point in their careers.

  • Allenp

    Wait you believe Teague understands the game better? Hell no. Wall is a playmaker. His passing particularly in the half court is very good. He actually makes smarter decisions in the half court than on the break where he tends to rush to the rim wildly. Shooting is a plus for Teague but scoring and aggressive play is a win for Wall. On defense Wall is a beast on and off the ball. Check his charge numbers , which can be deceiving but bear up when you watch the games.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Kinda nice no one is talking about the Magic…but to chime in here, I’m with nbk and Allen vis a vis Teague’s status. He’s good, but still in the lower half of starting point guards.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I would argue Wall is a better defender. But I understand the other side of that argument. Offensively, Wall is MILES ahead of Teague. It’s not even close.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    That’s fair about Ellis, Allen. Chucker is not be the right word, but idk what is.
    .
    Lakeshow, Playmaking includes passing, and scoring, and many other things. Nobody ever said kobe or monta are not good playmakers. That would be crazy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    allenp is tripping saying wall is a beast on the ball. Wall is a horrible on-ball defender, I’ll give you everything else though but teague is a much better on-ball defender than wall.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Wall isn’t a “beast” on the ball. But he is still pretty damn effective. Infact, despite playing for the Wizards, he holds his opponent to about the exact same production as Teague. He forces slightly less turnovers (which is as much about the lack of defense surrounding him) and his opponent shoots a slightly higher %. But he gives up less assists (showing that he pressures the ball in better spots then Teague, giving up less passing lanes to the basket). Like I said, I would argue Wall is the better defender, but understand those that prefer the more physical nature of Teague’s defensive style.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I mean, he’s not Jrue Holiday, but that’s a pretty high level of beast. I’ve watched him frustrate dudes and that’s despite carrying such a heavy load on offense.
    And his team defense goes unnoticed because the Wizards are such a mess as defenders in general.
    I really want better things for Wall because right now, he’s in a bad situation.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah, just depends what people classify as “a beast.”

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Scalabrine has the maddest game in the L.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Stacey King…

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    that’s the lowest reverse layup I’ve ever seen in my entire life..lol. White Mambaaaa!!!!

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