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Thursday, January 26th, 2012 at 8:42 am  |  98 responses

Post Up: Lakers Over Blakers

And a dozen more NBA games from Wednesday.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

Lucky 13 games on the schedule from last night, which means my fingers are aching in the name of hoops. We got it all last night on one of the busiest days of the season so far, so let’s jump right in, starting with an overtime upset of one of the East’s best.

Nets 97, Sixers 90 (OT)

Deron Williams put the team on his back doe. And he got some help from Hump. DWill had 34 points, 11 assists, and 4 rebounds in 48 minutes of action, and Kris Humphries added 19 rebounds and 13 points, as the Nets dropped the still Spencer Hawes-less Sixers in overtime. In the extra period, Jrue Holiday (14 points, 7 assists) gave Philadelphia a two-point lead after a steal and a layup with 1:18 to play, but Williams answered with a jumper, and the go-ahead three on the next possession, before Anthony Morrow sealed it with free throws. Morrow finished with 16 points, filling in for the injured MarShon Brooks, and the Nets improved to 6-13 on the season. But for New Jersey, it was all about DWill—check him getting some air, too. Philly can’t be happy with the loss, but they’ll probably cheer up when they realize their next two come against the Bobcats and Pistons on a back-to-back.

Wizards 92, Bobcats 75

Yeahhh, buddy. I’m not about to get excited about the Wizards beating the Bobcats, who might be the only team in the L worse than Washington, but a win’s a win at this point. The Wiz are no longer the worst team in the NBA, improving to 3-15 and dropping Charlotte to 3-16 on the year. Take that! From the Bobcats box score: Matt Carroll led ‘Cats scorers with 17 points, and as a team, Charlotte turned the ball over 19 times and shot 36 percent. Meanwhile, the Randy Wittman era in DC got off to a rousing (sarcasm, yes) start, as Nick Young dropped 20 and Andray Blatche had one of his best statlines of the year, with 17 points and 10 rebounds. John Wall hustled his way to 12 points, and the Wizards outrebounded the Bobcats 51-38 on their way to the win, despite 22 turnovers of their own.

Cavaliers 91, Knicks 81

Okay, Knicks fans, back to panic mode. New York’s now lost 7 of 8 after turning the ball over 22 times and shooting 3 of 20 from the three-point line in a double-digit loss to Cleveland. Anderson Varejao outplayed the Knicks frontline when it mattered, and finished with 16 rebounds, 10 points, 4 assists, 4 steals and 2 blocks, while Antawn Jamison scored 15 points and rookie PG Kyrie Irving racked up 7 assists (tough shooting night, though, 1-7 FG for 7 points). After scoring 1 point in the previous game, Carmelo Anthony scored 15 last night, but shot just 5-of-14. Amar’e Stoudemire had 19 and 14, but the Knicks’ revolving door at point guard was nothing short of terrible, and their lack of depth really showed—they scored just 36 points in the second half. New York now sits at 7-11 on the year, with road tests next up at Miami and at Houston on Friday and Saturday. Also, peep this highlight just for a peek at Cleveland’s alternate jerseys. Thoughts?

Heat 101, Pistons 98

For a few minutes, it seemed like Detroit was poised to get their biggest win of the season, behind monster performances from a trio of youngsters in Greg Monroe (20 points, 10 boards), Austin Daye (28 points) and Brandon Knight (17 points, 5 assists). But the Heat executed down the stretch, and the Pistons did not, helping Miami improve to 13-5. Detroit took its first lead since 9-8 in the first quarter when Knight nailed an elbow jumper to put the Pistons up 92-90 with 3:16 to play, the finishing touch on a 14-2 run in the fourth quarter. They even led 98-95 with 1:33 left thanks to a three-point play from Monroe and a top-of-the-key trey from Jonas Jerebko. But from there, LeBron James powered his way to the hoop three times, and iced the game on six free throws over the last minute of the game, as the Pistons couldn’t get anything to fall in the clutch. LeBron finished with a nasty 32/7/6 line for the night, while teaming up with Chris Bosh, who had 27, and the Heat shot 52 percent from the floor.

Pacers 95, Bulls 90

The Pacers went into Chicago and became the first road team to win at the United Center this season, where the Bulls are now 8-1. Indiana got 22 points from Danny Granger, 20 from Roy Hibbert, and held the Bulls to just 16 points in the fourth quarter to improve to 12-5. Hibbert slammed home a dunk after a scrum to put the Pacers up four with under 15 seconds to play, sealing the Indiana victory after they trailed by ten at halftime. This, you’ll remember, was an interesting first-round playoff matchup in the East last season, and judging by the quotage from Derrick Rose afterwards (see below), it will continue to be a rivalry. Rose scored 24 points, but had only 2 in the fourth. Without Luol Deng, the Bulls got a nice game from Ronnie Brewer, who stepped into the starting lineup and delivered 20 points and 10 rebounds, to go along with a 10/13 double-double from Joakim Noah. But Chicago shot 40 percent from the field and the Pacers pulled in front in the second half en route to the win.

Bucks 105, Rockets 99

Andrew Bogut left in the first quarter after colliding with Kyle Lowry on a drive, he did not return and was seen leaving the arena in a walking boot. But even without the 7-footer manning the middle, the Bucks withstood 29 points from Kevin Martin to snap Houston’s 7-game winning streak. Brandon Jennings scored 20 points and had 6 assists, and Stephen Jackson and Mike Dunleavy scored 20 and 18 respectively in reserve roles, as Milwaukee came back from down 12 thanks to poor three-point shooting from the Rockets (8-for-31). A pair of Drew Gooden free throws with 33 seconds left put the finishing touches on the Bucks’ win. Ersan Ilyasova filled in for Bogut and hauled in 19 rebounds, while the man across the way, Samuel Dalembert, notched a double-double (18 rebounds, 13 points). Milwaukee’s next game is at Chicago on Friday.

Thunder 101, Hornets 91

Kevin Durant knows how to fill up a box score. Last night against New Orleans he did it in this way: 25 points, 9-13 FGs, 7-7 FTs, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals. Oh, and one finish in transition started by a Kendrick Perkins showtime pass. Durant’s line, combined with Oklahoma City’s 53 percent shooting, allowed the Thunder to take care of the Hornets with relative ease. New Orleans never led in the game, and allowed the Thunder to get 19 fast break points, while the Hornets couldn’t capitalize on 21 OKC turnovers. James Harden had 18 points and 6 dimes in his usual sixth man role, and Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka each scored 14. For the Hornets, Jarret Jack continues to shoulder the offensive load without Eric Gordon healthy, scoring a team-high 20 points and handing out 5 assists. Also, I am not ashamed to admit that I have no idea who Gustavo Ayon is or where he came from, but he scored 16 points in 17 minutes for New Orleans. If someone out there could run a quick background check, or you know, Wikipedia search, I think we’d all appreciate it very much.

Timberwolves 105, Mavericks 90

Some dudes try less after signing a fat contract. Kevin Love is not one of those dudes. On the day he signed his extension with the Wolves, KLove went out and dropped 31 points and 10 boards on the defending Champs, leading Minny to the 15-point victory. And on the night the Mavs got their Championship rings, their seven-game home win streak came to an end, with Dirk Nowitzki (and, well, Vince Carter, too) in street clothes. Dallas led by 14 in the first half, but the Wolves made a mini-run before halftime and came out guns blazing in the third quarter. Ricky Rubio put up 17 points and 12 assists, and the Love-Rubio connection is as awesome as ever these days. It’s the Wolves’ second win over Dallas already this season, and they improved their record to 8-10 (4-4 on the road). The Mavs got 17 from Jason Terry and 15 from Shawn Marion, but made just 6 of 22 threes and still miss their go-to guy.

Spurs 105, Hawks 85

Normally, Atlanta wouldn’t be upset with a regular season loss to the Spurs, but getting blown out when San Antonio’s leading scorers were DeJuan Blair and Matt Bonner? Tough. Blair and Bonner had 17 points apiece, while Tiago Splitter (16), Tony Parker (15) and Danny Green (10) also scored in double figures on a night when Tim Duncan had just 6 points. But hey, Timmy just needs more PT, Pop! The Spurs improved to 12-7 thanks to 51 percent shooting, 11 made threes, a 44-34 rebounding advantage and 27 assists. Kirk Hinrich made his season debut for the Hawks, and scored 7 points in 13 minutes off the bench, while the man he backs up, Jeff Teague, led Atlanta in scoring with 20, but he had zero assists.

Raptors 111, Jazz 106 (2OT)

Wow. What a game. If you passed because the matchup wasn’t sexy enough, well, sorry. With no Al Jefferson for Utah, the Jazz still managed to build an 18-point lead, before it evaporated and Jose Calderon hit a game-tying three with time slipping away in regulation to send the game to OT. The Raptors needed two overtime periods to dispatch of the pesky Jazz, who got a season-high 31 points from the perpetually-underrated Paul Millsap. Andrea Bargnani and Linas Kleiza both score 25 points (though Bargs left the game in overtime, seemingly with the same nagging calf injury he’s been dealing with) and Demar DeRozan had 17 for Toronto, while James Johnson racked up 6 blocked shots. Derrick Favors chipped in 16 points and 12 boards over 42 minutes for Utah and Devin Harris had a season-best 24 despite looking, frankly, pretty awful for most of the game.

Nuggets 122, Kings 93

Denver can be a scary team on some nights. Just ask Sacramento. By halftime, the Nuggets led by 23, at one point they led by 35, and they won their fifth straight game (and fifth straight on the road) to move to 13-5. Danilo Gallinari scored 23 points, Nene had 16, and Andre Miller dished out 10 of the team’s 29 assists (plus 15 points) for the Nuggs, who shot a ridiculous 55 percent from the field. Jimmer Fredette, starting in place of the injured Marcus Thornton, scored 19 points and DeMarcus Cousins provided his nightly double-double, with 17 and 15, but the Kings never got to within 20 in the second half. Oh, and Aaron Afflalo and Rudy Fernandez didn’t even play. Denver hosts Toronto before an absolutely impossible seven-game stretch that includes Dallas, the Lakers and the Clippers twice.

Lakers 96, Clippers 91

The season’s Battle: L.A. series is now tied at 1-1, after Kobe Bryant scored 12 of his 24 points in the fourth quarter and Metta World Peace had potentially the most impactful 3-point game (like, he only scored 3 points) in the history of the NBA to lead the Lakers to the win over Lob City. Pau Gasol added 23 and 10, and Andrew Bynum had 19 points and 4 blocks as L.A. improved to 11-8 on the year. With #KobeSystem student Aziz Ansari sitting courtside, Bryant hauled down 7 boards and had 6 assists to go with his team-high in buckets, while buddy World Peace served as the team’s emotional leader down the stretch (he also had 7 assists of his own). Blake Griffin scored 26 points and Chris Paul had 12 assists and zero turnovers (only 4 points), but the Clippers crumbled in the clutch after leading for most of the game.

Warriors 101, Trail Blazers 93

You should know by now that I’m a big Steph Curry fan. So seeing him go off makes me happy, especially against a Blazers team that was the heavy favorite going into last night’s matchup. Steph made 6 threes, scored 32 points, dished out 7 dimes and generally was the straw stirring the drink for the Warriors, who shot 52 percent in just their sixth win on the season. Oddly enough, Monta Ellis scored just 4 points (seriously, on 2-9 shooting, 0 free throws) in 41 minutes, but he did finish with 12 assists, and David Lee had 26. The best explanation for the surprising result, though, was perhaps the fact that this was the third game of a dreaded back-to-back-to-back for Portland. LaMarcus Aldridge paced the Blazers with 18 points and Marcus Camby had 16 rebounds, but there was just no answer for young Mr. Curry, as the handy shot chart below explains. Although, it might also make you want to eat some chicken.

Line of the Night: Stephen Curry’s 32 points (6-8 3PT), 7 assists, 6 rebounds, 4 steals in 38 minutes.

Quote of the Night: DRose won’t be forgetting last night’s loss to the Pacers any time soon, via K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune.

Moment of the Night: DWill seals an upset win for the Nets with a classic step-back move. “Uhhhhhh.”

Dunk of the Night: Blake Griffin does a Blake Griffin thing.

Weird of the Night: Dirk does “color commentary.” Lotta weird here, but hey, Dirk’s having fun.

Tonight: TNT has the only two games going on, with Boston at Orlando first up, and then a Western Conference clash between the Grizzlies and Clippers at Staples Center.

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  • AD

    i hate how they took that stepback out of 2k12 lol….. but that was deadly

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    As the season goes, Rubio’s been getting better and better. He’s becoming a double-double guy…reminds me of John Stockton. Not quick, but very effective on both ends of the floor. And LOL on Timmy wanting to get back to the game.

  • T-Money

    bron closed the game last night with 6 free throws in the last minute and had 20 points in the 2nd half. nobody cares, nobody will remember. and that’s why when he doesn’t pull through in the end, some people will say (and actually believe) that he NEVER closes.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    …darn it! I can’t view the Blake Griffin dunk here at the office!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    When healthy, SCurry is better than MEllis.

  • Mike From Spain

    @ The Fury -> I am something of a Rubio fan, but I try not to be blind to his shortcomings. I tend to be forgiving about them though. What is the issue with his shot? Maybe he’s playing too many minutes, maybe he’s just not improved as much as the start of the season would have us believe? What’s your take? OTOH, he’s defending, rebounding and passing quite well. Scoring… well, not horrible, but meh.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    @Mike…yeah the shooting percentage is way off actually. But let’s see, most rookies usually struggles especially shooting percentage wise. But he isn’t scoring this much when he was playing in the euroleagues, wasn’t he? Let’s be patient for now. And yeah cosign T-Money and JTaylor.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kulchakris

    A relatively famous sports/pop culture columnist and Boston homer predicted prior to the start of the season that the Lakers would not make it to the playoffs. How does the slam online fam feel about that prediction?

  • SvA

    Denver had an NBA record 92 points in the paint last night – no mention?

  • bobbyD

    Cavs win over the Knicks puts them ahead in the standings. Wow. Nuggets are looking good. Wonder how much better they’d be with Chandler?

  • 23

    T-money, exactly my thoughts.

  • Riggs

    there were a lot of weird wins last night.

  • T-Money

    oh and joel anthony wil play 35 minutes tomorrow vs the knicks. they call him the warden in south florida because he always locks stoudemire up – true story lol.

  • Fat Lever

    Bad loss for the Sixers, but damn Deron is coldddd-bloodedddddd(shout out to Chappelle)! We’re really lacking front court depth, which is why Humphries went for 19 boards. I think at one point Doug had Thad as the center out on the floor with Iguodala, ET, Jrue, and Lou. Not exactly a height filled lineup.

  • robb

    Very entertaining games yesterday. Lebron maintained his poise and closed the game, Kobe played team ball and his teammates responded (too many turnovers though) and Curry is such a good player, I’m definitely a big fan too.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Mike Brown, “Give Peace A Chance”!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    cosign T-money 100% about lebron

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @t-money and 23. Closing out a regular season game against a team that shouldn’t have been able to compete in the first place does not sway people’s opinions that Lebron can’t close in pressure situations.
    As for the DRose comment, I like to hear that. I actually thought the exact same thing. Indy was celebrating like they just advanced in the playoffs. And Frank Vogul has a weird smirk that makes you want to slap him. Maybe I have some lingering anger from the Bulls losing.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Thank you, T-money!

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    And that Blake dunk was ridiculous.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think it’s safe to say Deron Williams is back to his old self.

  • 23

    diesel, we all know that upsets can happen in any sport on any given night. so dont take anything away from a good solid victory in detroit. and i dont see what the problem is with indy celebrating. if they were talking trash and getting in the face of the bulls then ok they crossed the line. but simply celebrating beating one of the best teams(also the first team to get a victory in chicago) in the league is not crazy or rude. let these dudes have fun playing basketball geeze.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James R S

    @T-Money, you obviously didn’t watch the heat game. The ft’s he was shooting were the weakest calls I have ever seen, between Bron flopping on O or CP3 flopping on D I don’t know which one is worse!

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Just to clarify on the Lebron stuff, I personally don’t think that he NEVER closes. He obviously closed against my Bulls in last year’s playoffs. But I definitely think he’s confused about his role in last minute situations when him and DWade are both on the floor. This, coupled with the fact that he’s a streaky free throw shooter makes for some horrible play in certain close out situations.

  • 23

    when wade beat charlotte in the closing seconds, everyone used that as evidence on why hes the closer in mia. charlotte bobcats the worst team in the league. that highlight was all over the place with the headline “wade clutch”.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    I dunked yesterday for the first time in a few months. It didn’t look like Blake’s :-(

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @23 – I’m pretty sure I think it was excessive simply because I’m a Bulls fan and I’ve grown to dislike the Pacers over the past year. Doesn’t change the fact that I’d like to slap Frank Vogul.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Anybody watch the Warriors game last night? I would like a recap of how Monta Ellis played.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Abe, those Cavs jerseys look like a rejected Warriors jersey that was just passed off to Cleveland.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Deron Williams…
    Meanest crossover in the league.
    Crazy pull up.
    In the top five for 30 point 10 assist games in the past 10 years. At I imagine he is.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The stepback is still in 2K12. It’s just harder to do, which makes the game more realistic. But I pull it off regularly.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh yeah, and Kobe was playing perfectly to start the game. I fell asleep so I didn’t see if he kept it up, but the numbers seem to suggest he did. I don’t understand why he doesn’t do that ALL THE DAMN TIME! He could play for five more years doing that.

  • FoCo

    I saw that SvA. The Nuggets didn’t make a 2 point shot from outside of the paint until there were like 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Most of the big lead was accomplished after Lawson left in the 2nd with a sprained ankle too.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Step Back is pretty simple in 2k12. Just hold the shot stick away from the hoop when your character is moving towards it.

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    Seth is not better than Monta Jtaylor… the kid a pure shooter very good but will stay having health problem cause of those ankles. Monta actually played decent, if his shot not falling he will pass it to the hot person (curry) hence 12 assist. Dwill crossover is so EFFin amazing the man needs a team!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Curry is better the Monta when healthy (imo) as well. The problems with Ellis’ game are glaring. He is almost always mismatched defensively. He compromises his teams lineup defensively unless he’s playing PG. And then he’s compromising his team offensively. I would personally rather have Curry.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    This is a sad, sad day.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    every day is a sad day when you’re a bobcats fan

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Metta World Artest was in BeastMode™ last night.

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    How does Monta comprises a team defensively, when even with his height he never gets abused by the opposition at his sg position. Curry is a liability at the pg, he always gettin worked..etc broke ankles ..etc. When have you just seen someone work Monta on defense????

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree with Showtime. Monta, when motivated, is a very capable defender.
    Curry is not. Now, in the past Monta has not been motivated and has played very poor defense, but when he decides to compete he is competent.
    If Biedrins hadn’t become such a bum the Warriors would be a lot better.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    The ref’s were loving that Tech option all night long. There were 6 Techs and probably only needed to be 2. They were calling 3 seconds in the key, right at 3 secs all night long, which is fine, but it’s something hard to adjust to as a player. If you want to call it a rivalry, you’d be right. When things get ‘chippy’ like they have every single game for two teams that just so happen to be the only teams in the L who share an arena in city well known for winning basketball it’s going to be a rivalry.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You can say Curry isn’t a capable defender but when comparing him to Ellis that is blatantly false. As a PG he’s better then Ellis as a SG defensively, it shows in every single defensive statistic there is. The stats from the last 2 years back that up. (Curry hold opposing PG’s to lower production and efficiency then Ellis does with opposing SG’s.) The Golden State Warriors defensive production as a team backs that up. (they get better when Ellis sits down, they are the same with or without Curry) Basically, there is no way for anyone to back up that Ellis is better then Curry defensively, other then to give an opinion. I personally would rather rely on facts (well and my own opinion).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    DAMN! that was a mean crossover by Deron williams. smh

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I opine that with out a doubt Ellis>Curry defensively. I’m going with my eyes on this one. I think you have watched Kobe abuse Ellis too much nbk. Ellis holds his own against most SG’s. It might be what Allen said though. He isn’t always putting consistent defensive pressure. When he chooses to be, he is better than curry defensively. Although I am on the Curry>Ellis train also.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Curry has a chance to be the best PG in the L if he stays healthy and reaches his full potential. The same can’t be said for Ellis at the 2 spot.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I just told you with words that Ellis is worse (measurably worse) against Shooting Guards (Throughout the last 2 SEASONS, not GAMES AGAINST THE LAKERS) then Curry is against Point Guards. This is a fact, not giving an opinion.

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    You can click my name and read it for yourself.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I don’t think that’s true JTaylor. He might be the best player playing PG, but his PG skills are middle of the pack. CP3, Williams, Rose, (Wall) all will be holding down the top PG spots for the future imo.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The stats you’re using assume that Curry is responsible for the poor performance of opposing point guards. When I watch games, I don’t get that impression at all, to be honest.
    But, it’s my opinion from a relatively small sample size of games. I have not actual “proof.”

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk……. PG’s play a different position than SG’s…. If Ellis guarded PG’s he would do it better than Curry. This isn’t a numbers thing. Just watch them play and you will see that Ellis is the quicker, stronger, better defender on all counts.

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    I never said Curry was a better defender in general. I said “You can say Curry isn’t a capable defender but when comparing him to Ellis that is blatantly false. As a PG he’s better then Ellis as a SG defensively, it shows in every single defensive statistic there is.” – Do I think Ellis is actually the better defender? Yes. Does he ever defend the position he should be defending? No. Like I said, when Ellis is playing SG he hurts the team defensively. When he’s playing PG he hurts the team offensively. Either way, he’s a liability on one side of the court. While Curry is not a “liability” anywhere.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Nah, it’s the real one. I’m that high on Curry and that low on Ellis because Curry has the talent and IQ to be a great PG while Ellis lacks the IQ and all-around ability needed to be a great SG.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I go for that nbk.. Taylor, Obviously Curry is the higher IQ player. He also doesn’t rely on athleticism. Curry will surely have the better career as opposed to Ellis, so we agree.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I just don’t think he will ever be considered the best PG in the game. Time will tell.

  • T-Money

    i’ve watched enough warriors games on late night league pass. ellis is a much better defender than curry at the 1 or 2, motivated or not. what’s lost when discussing the two is that monta ellis is actually the primary playmaker on the team. he has better passing instincts than curry – curry is juste the one that brings it up.

  • T-Money

    jtaylor: so a guy that can potentially be the best pg in the game has trouble cracking 5 assists a game? okay.

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    If ellis has better passing instincts, and is the teams playmaker, then why on earth does Curry get more assists? that doesn’t make a bit of sense.

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    (Curry has had a bum ankle for 70% of this season. You can’t really be arguing Ellis is a better passer after Curry has only played 8 games total.)

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    jtaylor that comment to me was a little out their, their way more better pg than curry ..etc lowry rondo,rose ,wall westbrook bjennings hooping this year and will get better. With monta is already the 3rd best Sg…NOw

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    Oh and Ellis is playing 6 more minutes a game.

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    what ability is Monta lacking to become a good sg, my i ask be side as you say IQ (which i think he has not alot but enough) he already the 3rd best sg out their

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    He’s not 3rd. But he is top 5. Kobe, Wade, Manu are 1,2,3 though. (Through the 5 games Manu played this season he was putting up 17, 3, 3, in 23MPG!!!!) That’s absurd.

  • T-Money

    nbk: since curry got to the league, they have both been at around 5 assists a game and monta jumped to 7-8 assists a game during steph’s absence. i don’t know why people tlak about steph like this natural pg when in fact he only started to play the position in his senior year at davidson. curry has one elite skill: shooting. he’s an ideal point guard for teams with wings that are the primary playmakers like LA or Miami but he absolutely cannot create for others like Rondo, Paul or Nash.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    T-Money, maybe because the guy he plays next to is 6th in Usage Rate, tied for 3rd in TOPG and 8th in FG attempts. Basically, what I’m getting at is he plays next to a cat that needs the ball in his hands at all time. The guy is a better passer than the numbers will lead you to believe.

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    LOL, T-Money, Steph Curry has never played within 5 minutes a game of Ellis. His Assist numbers are higher, always have been.

  • http://www.82games.com/1011/1011GSW.HTM nbk

    And that’s with Ellis being the “playmaker”

  • http://www.nbadraft.net showtime

    Isnt the wing job too shoot & have the ball in his hands??? A future league Pg should be able to ge more the 5 come on Son… kobe averges more lol..

  • T-Money

    nbk – “always have been”… cmon now, they’re within decimals of each other. jtaylor – so ellis is preventing steph from racking up dimes? if rondo was with gstate, he wouldn’t get 10 assists a game? assist numbers are usually very constant with players given that they’re getting their usual minutes. steph curry would be at 5-6 assists everywhere. like cp3 would be at 10 everywhere.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    In considerably less minutes Curry is within decimals of Ellis. Who has the ball more anyway.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    T-Money, yes. He has the potential to average 7-8 assists per game but playing next to Ellis makes sure that doesn’t happen. All those guys you pointed out (Rondo/CP) average 10+ assists in part because the offense is ran through them and the ball is in their hands the majority of the time. Curry doesn’t have that luxury. Now, I’m not saying that Curry is in Rondo/Nash/CP/DWill’s class when it comes to passing ability but he is right below them. TP/Calderon/Lowry all avg damn near 3 more APG than Curry but I doubt anyone here thinks they are better passers than Curry.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    Calderon is.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    Cats just don’t like Monta.
    Y’all are sleeping, that’s all I can say.
    By the way, what did I tell y’all about Indiana and David West?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I beg to differ.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Was that AllenP in nbk’s body? So confused…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    That they are pretenders?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    Well I said David West wouldn’t help that much. And he hasn’t. They would be around 12-5 no matter who their PF is. David West is scoring 11.6 PPG on 44% shooting. he’s been anything but what he was advertised to be. And the top 50 ranking he received to this point, looks flat out ridiculous.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    That was Allen @ 2:51, had to be.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    Indiana is 3-3 against teams above .500 – They have had a pretty cake schedule so far.

  • T-Money

    yeah the david west signing was weird to me when you already have an undersized jump shooting PF who doesn’t play defense in hansbrough.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Can we talk about how dope the Maverick rings are? Let’s forget about their record. I want one of those replica rings.

  • MUBWAR

    yes Nick they sure are dope. i was reading on espn that that rich clown paid over 48K each for the entire team and coaching squad

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I think the idea was to give collision a PR partner who he was more comfortable with. They want him to be more like he was in NO when chris paul went down.

  • http://fklfs.com Jukai

    People got some weird ass opinions on Curry…. He will be the best point guard in the league someday?
    Well I agree with that if Paul, Rose, Williams, Rondo, Westbrook, Rubio and Lowry all get abducted by aliens. Will he even be better than Lawson and Jennings?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    lol he’s already better then both of them.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    SLAM switched up our IDS. that was me earlier that posted as NBK with the weird comment.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    And West is a legit scorer that teams fear. As Greg Anthony noted last night, and I noted in the preview I did on Enigmatic’s site, a lineup of Collison, George, Granger, West and Hibbert, provides dangerous scoring at each position and has two players that teams feel like they have to account for on every play in Granger and West.
    I think that’s a dangerous team. Now, if George and Collison, particularly Collison, improve, then it becomes a very scary team. Hibbert needs to get more consistent as well.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No one fears David West. No one.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Carl Landry = David West … … … K, maybe that’s a bit far…. naw, that’s about right.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Lowry is definitely a better passer than Curry… Calderon maybe.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    What fear do teams have against David West? Getting beat by mid range jump shots?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Griffin with the dunk of the year. Oh my goodness..

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Curry’s career assist/turnover ratio is under 2. Great shooter, yes. Great point guard, no.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I said “IF” he reaches his full potential. There’s no denying that dude has the skill set needed to be a great PG (shooting, ballhandling, vision, IQ). Will that ever happen? Probably not but lets not act like he’s brandon jennings or something.

  • bobbyD

    West has been coming up with some good last minute buckets this season if my memory serves me correctly.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Let’s not write Brandon Jennings off just yet. He’s averaging 20 ppg and 5 apg on a much improved 44% from the field–36% from 3. He also has a career AST/TO ratio greater than 2, lol.
    But I agree, Steph Curry has the potential to be great. I really hope that ankle of his stays healthy. I also don’t think the Warriors’ backcourt is big enough for Ellis and him to share.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    Y’all underestimate West as a scorer. this is first year back from major knee surgery. no training camp. of course he’s rusty. dude is a scorer. If you don’t respect that, it’s at your own peril.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    That’s to be seen. That knee surgery isn’t something that he is guaranteed to recover from.

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