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Tuesday, January 31st, 2012 at 8:35 am  |  101 responses

Post Up: The Blake Show

Griffin gives us the Dunk of the Year, and oh yeah, basketball games.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

You’ll never hear me complain about staying up late to watch and write about basketball. But I’d be lying if I told you it wasn’t a grind sometimes. And then, just when my wrists start to hurt, my eyes start to fade and my exhaustion level spikes, I get a shot of adrenaline like last night, in the form of Mr. Blake Griffin and his ridiculous aerial exploits. Hope you were parked in front of an HD screen to enjoy his awesomeness, and the rest of last night’s games.

Sixers 74, Magic 69

Woof. To call this game ugly would be an understatement. Orlando shot 33 percent from the field and 32 percent from three-point land, while Philadelphia shot 38 percent from the field and 27 percent from deep. A total of 14 fast break points were scored in the game. How bad was it? These two teams couldn’t even hit from the free throw line—the Magic were 10-of-22 (46 percent) and the Sixers shot 10-of-19 (53 percent). Put it this way, there were so many missed shots in this game that Ryan Anderson ended up with 20 rebounds, to go with his 14 points. In the third quarter, the Magic scored 9 points, and heading into the fourth, they had 42 points. For reference sake, the Timberwolves scored 42 points in the third quarter alone of their game against the Rockets last night. Crummy as the offense was, at least Big Baby was hustling! Dwight Howard made 6 of 17 shots from the field, and was 5-for-13 from the charity stripe, struggling his way to 17 points and 11 boards, while Andre Iguodala led the Sixers with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 6 assists.

Bulls 98, Wizards 88

Derrick Rose scored 13 points in his first 12 minutes (he finished with a season-high 35), helping Chicago jump out to a 26-16 lead after one quarter—and the Bulls won by that margin of 10. Think DRose was motivated by the way he finished the previous game against Miami? Chicago played great defense while improving to an Eastern Conference-best 18-5. In the first half, John Wall and Javale McGee shot 9-of-16, while their teammates were 6-of-31. And yet, somehow the Wizards trailed by only 11 at the break. But even when Washington was able to cut the lead to single digits in the fourth quarter, the Bulls just had too much firepower. Kyle Korver hit 5 threes (17 points) and Carlos Boozer (18 points, 8 rebounds) and Joakim  Noah (14 points, 13 boards, 7 assists!) were too much up front for the Wiz, who went to a full-court press defense late in the game, which turned the game into a bit of a scrum. Wall finished with 20 points on 7-16 shooting and McGee had 16 and 9 for DC, which never led despite having a 16-5 advantage in fast break points.

Heat 109, Hornets 95

For a quarter, it looked like Miami might be suffering a post-big win hangover after escaping the Bulls on Sunday, as the Hornets took a 29-27 lead after the first 12 minutes. But then the Heat turned up the…heat (I’m hilarious). Over the second and third quarters, they outscored New Orleans 60-39. LeBron James scored 22 points (3 the hard way here) plus 11 rebounds and 8 assists and Dwyane Wade had 22 (3 even harder) to lead Miami, which got to 16-5 on the year with the win. The Heat shot 55 percent, scored 25 points in transition, and led by as many as 27 in a game that wasn’t nearly as close as the score suggests once Miami got rolling in the second half. The Hornets shot 53 percent and got 14 apiece from Carl Landry and Jarrett Jack, but were outrebounded 39-25 and just couldn’t keep up with the Heatles after halftime. NOLA has now lost 11 of 12 games.

Bucks 103, Pistons 82

Brandon Jennings scored 21 points and Mike Dunleavy notched a season-high with 21 off the bench as the Bucks laid the beatdown on the Pistons from the jump to get to 9-11 on the year. Milwaukee shot 51 percent from the field, including 10 of 17 from beyond the arc, while holding the Pistons to 39 percent shooting and just 1 three-pointer on the night. After a three-game losing streak, the Bucks have now won four of their last six games. Drew Gooden scored 10 straight points during a 12-2 Milwaukee run to open the second half, and finished with 16. Oddly enough, the Pistons scored 40 points in the paint, to just 18 for the Bucks, but Detroit was never really in the game and fell to 4-18 (1-10 on the road). Greg Monroe chipped in his nightly double-double contribution with 16 and 10, and Rodney Stuckey scored 19 points to pace the Pistons.

Spurs 83, Grizzlies 73

San Antonio stopped a two-game skid thanks to 5 three-pointers from Matt Bonner (15 points) and great defense, holding the Grizzlies to 37 percent field goal shooting and Memphis’ leading scorer, Rudy Gay, to just 1 point (0-7 FGs). Marc Gasol, the second-leading scorer for the Grizz, didn’t do much on the offensive end either, finishing with 7 points, though he did grab 12 boards. For the Spurs, Tim Duncan scored 14 points, Tony Parker dished out 12 assists and rookie Kawhi Leonard had 12 points and 10 rebounds. San Antonio got in front by 17 in the first half, and Memphis was never able to get to within single digits at any point after halftime, despite being at home for the first time in 10 days. The Spurs are now 13-9 and play the Rockets and Hornets before a brutal three-game stretch that pits them against Oklahoma City, Philadelphia and Memphis again.

Timberwolves 120, Rockets 108

Beeeaaaaazzzz. He’s back! Michael Beasley tied a Timberwolves franchise record for points off the bench with 34 (the others: Rashad McCants, Wally Szczerbiak), Kevin Love had 29 points, Ricky Rubio continued his 3×2 flirtation and Minnesota scored a franchise record 42 points in the third quarter to beat the Rockets and improve to 10-11. Rubio finished with 18 points, 11 assists and 8 rebounds (and, for what it’s worth, a +22 plus/minus while he was on the floor) while playing a team-high 38 minutes. Indeed, he’s unique. The game was close until that third quarter, and the Wolves shot a ridiculous 58 percent from the field for the game. Minnesota’s five road wins this season equals their total number of wins away from home from last year—and the year before, too. Kevin Martin scored 29 points, but the Wolves held Luis Scola to 2-of-8 shooting. The only thing Scola could hit was, well, KLove’s man-area when he tried to save a ball from going out of bounds.

Jazz 93, Trail Blazers 89

Utah rallied from 11 down to grind out a win and get to 12-7 on the year behind 19 points, 15 rebounds and 2 blocked shots from Paul Millsap and an 11-7-4 line from Josh Howard in his first start as a member of the Jazz. The Salt Lake City squad shot just 38 percent from the field, but grabbed 18 offensive rebounds and scored 20 fast break points. The Blazers held a one-point lead heading into the fourth quarter, thanks mostly to LaMarcus Aldridge (who finished with 25 points), but couldn’t fend off the Jazz. Portland had possession down by two with under a minute left, but Nicolas Batum (15 points) appeared to injure his knee on a drive to the basket and fumbled the ball back to Utah. Gordon Hayward (12 points on 3-12 shooting) made 1 of 2 free throws with 13.3 seconds left to extend the Jazz lead to three, then grabbed a critical offensive rebound on a CJ Miles’ miss from the foul line, effectively icing the game in favor of Utah. But the highlight of the game, even in defeat, goes to Gerald Wallace, who slammed a Hayward dunk attempt against the glass with authority.

Mavericks 122, Suns 99

One night after surviving the Spurs in epic fashion, the Mavs faced another familiar foe in Phoenix, but without the most recognizable face on the Suns, since Steve Nash sat out to nurse a bruised thigh. Without Nash, the Suns limped to 7-13 on the year, allowing Dallas to shoot 55 percent from the field (not Nash-related) and getting out-assisted 31-21 (Nash-related). The Mavs got a season-high 25 points off the bench from Delonte West, 21 from Vince Carter and 20 from Shawn Marion—allowing Dirk Nowitzki to get some rest, as he played only 28 minutes (10 points). The 122 points were the most for Dallas this season, and they never let the Suns get within closer than 16 in the second half, leading at one point by 28. Marcin Gortat’s 17-10 double-double requires that I once again propose naming him “The Machine,” or whatever similar version of that nickname is currently available.

Clippers 112, Thunder 100

This was supposed to be a great game. And it was. But not because it was close. In fact, it was the exact opposite—the Clippers came out in the first half and looked flat-out amazing, taking a 64-46 lead into the break. In the second half, we got the Dunk O’ the Year and a classic closer job from Chris Paul. Lob Angeles was so good, it was hard to even notice that the NBA’s best team (by record) was even on the court, or that Kevin Durant was sharing the hardwood. Over the first two quarters, LAC made 25 of 44 field goals (57 percent), including 10 three-pointers (in 1 half!) and they had 19 assists. Just before the half, the Clippers hit four threes in a minute, erupting the home crowd. OKC (16-4) made a push in the second half, behind 36 and 31 from Durant and Russell Westbrook, respectively, but Blake Griffin stole the show with his insane dunk over Kendrick Perkins (see below, over and over) that impressed Larry Fitzgerald among others and had Brandon Jennings tweeting up a storm. Then, CP3 took over the reins down the stretch, proving why he was so sought after in the offseason. Is there a more fun guy to watch in beastmode than Paul? He broke down defender after defender and finished in a variety of ways—pull-up jumper, blow-by layup, take your pick. He ended his night with 26 points and 14 assists, while Griffin and Caron Butler added 22 points each for the Clips, now 12-6.

Line of the Night: Michael Beasley — 34 points (10-14 FG, 12-12 FT, 2-3 3PT), only 2 turnovers in 33 minutes.

Dunk of the Night Year: Blake Griffin. OH MY GOD. OH MY F#$%^&*ING GOD.

Other Moment of the Night: More Clippers, as LAC blows the roof off the building at Staples Center, making it rain from three and all but running the Thunder off the court late in the first half. And jeez, this was pre-Blake ending the game.

Interview of the Night: Priceless B-Easy material. “Michael, what kind of groove did you get into in that first half?” … “My regular groove.”

Tonight: Tuesday brings us 7 games, including a Cavs-Celtics rematch, a big-time Western Conference heavyweight tilt between the Grizzlies and Nuggets, and the one I’ll be in the building for—Knicks-Pistons at MSG. Because I don’t limit my torture to the Wizards. Any ragged sub-.500 Eastern Conference teams will do! See y’all tomorrow.

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  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    LOL Mike Beasley.
    The Hornets this year are the Cavs of last season. At least its a deep draft.
    Chris Paul dominated that game, has there ever been a better 2nd best point in the league? Doesn’t matter who you have, Rose and Paul are both too good not to be the best at their positions.

  • RobbieJay

    i still cant take the clippers serious yet

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    If VDN shores up his rotations, taking Billups and Blake out early, leaving CP out for the whole 1st quarter, then putting Blake and Billups with the 2nd unit, then I think the Clips can be taken seriously. Although they were shooting lights out from 3, they were getting wide open looks because of the attention that CP and Blake attract.

  • AD

    the clippers are nice but i don’t see them beating OKC or LAL in a seven gm series tho… It don’t matter how good cp3 is .. idk if they could hit those 3′s on a consistent basis .

    @Allball rose isnt even the 3rd best pg in the lg are you kidding me?

  • showmeyourwits

    Serious as contenders for a title or as a team? They’ve proven themselves as a solid team by beating the top two squads in the conference on back to back nights, not to mention a win over Miami as well.

  • showmeyourwits

    I’m both a Clipper and Laker fan, but talk of the Lakers in the playoffs is tenuous at this point. If they started today, it’d be OKC/Lakers in the first round.

  • Justin G.

    Has there ever been a better second best point in the league? Isiah Thomas comes to mind

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    What?! There are 3 guards better than Rose?! If I weren’t a huge Paul fan I would have him at 1 myself, given that he is consistently good, where as Paul has his off nights. When both are playing their best I would take Paul.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Justin G. I asked it as a serious question, haven’t seen much basketball pre-2000.

  • AD

    @allball cp3,dwill, rondo ,as of right now

  • http://juan.garcia@computershare.com POW

    The Thunder are protesting the game under article 45875547 of the Geneva Convention for torture and human right violations.

  • Justin G.

    Yes, and I gave a serious answer

  • Justin G.

    AD, please tell me you’re kidding? Rondo and DWill are NOT better than Rose

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    D Will has not been playing elite basketball this season, yes he has an awful team, but is his current roster that much worse than the team CP played with in the play-offs last season, after West was out injured?
    Rondo has played some great basketball, but having watched about the same amount of Celtic and Bulls games, to me Rose has been the better player. Rondo as the engine of that team has to take some blame for their bad record to begin the season.

  • AD

    rose maybe the better scorer but dwill and rondo know hot to make their teamates better….. its hard to see it know becuz of the team Dwill is on but he still gets double digit asst with player like Johan petro on the team, the no. of turnovers he has is an reult of him being trapped and having no chemistry with the nets players since most of them are new…. Put rose on the nets and see how many highlights he has…

    Rondo will defend and dominate the game without scoring.. kinda like how jkidd was in NJ. His only problem is scoring…

    Rose however has the ability to be better than them two but he still has some work to do plus Russell Westbrook is right there with him

  • showmeyourwits

    Based on *this* season alone, it’s CP3, Rose, Russ at the top, with DWill and Rondo on the next tier.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Wow, what a night!!
    Ricky Rubio is the truth, he really is.
    Ok, I am really impressed with the Sixers this year, really playing as a team unit, and racking up these wins.
    Derrick Rose is the best PG in the game.
    The Suns are toast without Nash.
    Sorry Perk…

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    That Blake Griffin guy….

  • AD

    @showmeyourwits i agree as of right now its clearly cp3…. he can get like 7 asst off alley opps on most of their games…

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    It’s a good thing that the Wolves hired Rick Adelman, if that would be somebody else, Rubio will be riding the bench for sure. He’s really good at creating for his teammates. I see another Rubio cover soon.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    after the Blake dunk, everybody in the OKC team on the floor were thunderstruck!!

  • http://www.salmonline.com Wayno

    lol @ Rondo and DWill even being on the same level as Rose…AD has clearly not watched basketball before.

  • AD

    @wayno really explain that

  • showmeyourwits

    Whoa, I wouldn’t go that far Wayno. Until last year the argument was Paul or DWill, and while Rose is now firmly in that discussion and still getting better, when DWill or even Rondo are at their best, they can impact the game in more ways than Rose has shown he can. Putting Lebron on Rose shouldn’t stifle the entire offense, and comparatively they would never put Bron on Paul because he’d punish them regardless, one way or another.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Rockets were atrocious last night. Let’s just talk about Blake Griffin instead.

  • broy

    Rose right now is the best pg in the game. He murders every point guard that you put in front of him including Paul. Cp3 is my boy but Rose has been consistently greater these last two years over any other player at his position, its just fact. The Heat base their whole defensive protection on stopping Rose so stop it with all this talk about how Lebron is single handedly stopping him.

  • AD

    @showmeyourwits yea wayno must be related to drose or a stupid bulls fan…

  • AD

    @broy its not a fact if you don’t stat any facts…… that is an opinion

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    Nah Cp3 and D.will are still better than rose…. d.will has just been off until recently. and Rondo is ON his level or VERY close at least. The crazy thing about that thunder clippers game was that the thunder just couldn’t close the lead AT ALL, even when they started playing decently.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Blake Griffin…the mad Ginger.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    Man Rubio was great last night. GREAT.

  • broy

    Let’s give credit where credit is due guys, when Cp3 was balling out of his mind pre injury in new Orleans he was clearly the best point guard in the game, but its a new day now. You can’t possibly say that deron or rondo have been better than rose these last two years, or that Cp3 didn’t sleepwalk through half of last season before he played well in the playoffs against the lakeshow. The best reflection of a point guards worth is their impact on games on a nightly basis and Rose has done it over these last 2 years as good as anyone.

  • http://sjdfklf.com Jukai

    Seein’ how good Jennings (20/3.3/5.5/1.6) and Rubio (11/4.7/8.9/2.2) are playing this year, I would love a reboot cover of the two.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    I think people sleep on Rondo too much. I mean dude gets triple doubles in the PLAYOFFS! That’s crazy! I mean he does have 3 future hall of famers but this guy is a stat stuffer. I love Rose’s game but if we’re looking at PG strictly I’d say it’s between Rondo and Paul. Not hating on Rose at all but looking at a point guard stand point Rondo and Paul hit the boards, score, facilitate, and have good on and off ball defense.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    Chris Paul did not sleepwalk through last season. The fact that he got that Hornets team into the playoffs at all is one of the most underrated accomplishments in the last 10 years.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Well I’m just a stupid Bulls fan, but that old excuse of Rondo being better than Rose because he “makes his teammates better” is as tired as Eddy Curry after playing 40 minutes.
    “Rondo’s better because he makes Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen better!”
    I mean, come on, seriously?
    I guess Rose will always have detractors until he averages double figures in assists for a season.
    They get Dwight Howard, as unlikely as it is, and he’ll get there, EASILY.

  • broy

    There’s not one gm in the game today that would take Deron Williams over Rose. I know most people like pass first pgs but deron turns the ball over more, shoots a lower % from the field and his teams records have sucked the last two years, including Utah. Dwill is a great passer but an overrated leader that clashed with a hall of fame coach which ultimately led to his resignation.

  • AD

    @tray yea rondo is a walking tripple double reminds me of jkidd so much…. but ppl overate drose … highlights put people in a daze for some reason… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaV76v8ttYc sorry had to do it lol

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Well I’m just a stupid Bulls fan, but that old excuse of Rondo being better than Rose because he “makes his teammates better” is as tired as Eddy Curry after playing 40 minutes.
    “Rondo’s better because he makes Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen better!”
    I mean, come on, seriously?
    I guess Rose will always have detractors until he averages double figures in assists for a season.
    They get Dwight Howard, as unlikely as it is, and he’ll get there, EASILY.
    He’s better than D Will now too. I don’t care where D Will plays and with who.
    And to think Rose wouldn’t have any highlight plays in NJ or anywhere else is comical.
    As for CP…well, CP is so damn efficient and smart with his, I think those two are neck and neck.
    As for Blake’s dunk.
    SODBLANAKNSIDNFLANALBROWHQIABLCNSLAJLAHAKSHALSJDKSKD!’!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well Derrick Rose is younger, so duh. I personally have Rose as better, but the argument that Williams is still a better player makes sense. It’s a little ridiculous to try and discount Williams for not finding success on that Nets team, they are putrid. And what he was doing on Utah last year was crazy. (21, 10, 4, 45% shooting). he even put a string of 30 and 10′s together. When he’s 100% he is not even a full step behind Rose as a player. The only reason I really have Rose as “better” now, is because Deron has regressed defensively. idk y though.

  • AD

    @broy dwill avg one more turnover than drose……. and as far as taking one over the other you cant really go wrong but ask dwight who he wants to play with?

  • http://sjdfklf.com Jukai

    LOL I’m not doing this best point guard thing today. Good god.

  • broy

    You guys have made Cp3 the teflon don of the NBA. If he has a bad game its because he chose to, Billups dominates him throughout a playoff series and its not his fault. He is 0for 5 in his career against Rose, with rose getting the best of him in the last two game they faced each other. I know the bulls have a better team but why doesn’t it matter when Cp3 dominates against the heat or my hometown team the Thunder? Where’s that killer instinct when Rose is facing him?

  • broy

    @AD right now D12 would rather play with skip to my Lou than stay in Orlando with Jameer nelson so that’s not a valid argument, plus him wanting to play in Jersey has nothing to do with winning basketball games so stop it. Deron is his buddy, and you may be one of the few people on earth that feels that going to Brooklyn is a better option than chicago

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    broy I think you might have been lying when you started your first comment with “CP is your boy but…”. Don’t sound like you got too many positive things to say about him.
    Rose and Paul are 1 and 1a right now in what ever order depending on your preference. Imagine if the Bulls and Clips were to meet in the finals.

  • http://www.nbadrat.net showtime

    This is getting rudundant with the best pg… but i second juki statment on that rebooth cover, both are balling youngmoney, and rubio

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    So we’re pretending like we didn’t see Deron Williams just explode the past two weeks? He’s just not in the discussion for best in the League anymore even though he is the perfect blend of what Rose and Paul bring to the table?
    Oh, ok.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    And Paul had David West.
    Name one player on the Nets roster that is even close to David West in talent.
    I’ll wait.
    Their second best player is Marshon Brooks. And he’s hurt. Their third best player is Kris Freaking Humphries!
    Last year Paul had Okafor, West, Ariza, Jarret Jack and Carl Landry. Those players are ALL better than everybody on New Jersey’s roster not named Deron Williams.
    I can’t believe this life is being propogated. Yes, Deron struggled out the gate, but in recent weeks he is taking the least talent roster in the NBA and actually winning games.
    Top to bottom New Jersey CLEARLY has the worst roster in the League. It’s not even close.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    I can appreciate anybody’s argument for Rose or Paul. If that’s who you have, that’s fine.
    But to pretend like it’s not close is ridiculous.
    To discount the crappiness of that Nets team is also ridiculous.
    D-Will is still in the mix for top PG in the League, and before he got hurt, so was Rondo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Not that I am trying to argue with you Allen cuz I completely agree, but Charlotte probably has the worst roster in the league lol

  • Peter Walsh

    Blake’s dunk was awesome, but those four 3′s in a row were incredible

  • AD

    @AllenP im a Nets fan and i totally agree. our roster is terrible compared to the rest of the lg….. Thats why I say cps and dwill are tied for best pg in the lg.. Both have different styles but you cant go wrong with whoever you chose.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allen, thats why I said during the play-offs when they did not have David West. And look how that New Orleans team is playing with out Chris Paul. Admittedly their best player is injured, but he wasn’t their last year.
    And I agree that Mek, Landry and Ariza are better than any one else on the Nets roster, I asked if the New Jersey Nets roster is THAT much worse than New Orleans roster. No doubt it is a bad team.

  • AD

    @allball that team was still better than the nets without david west…. carl landry, ariza, jack, okafor are better than morrow, james,humphries,lopez

  • http://sjdfklf.com Jukai

    AllBall: Without Brook Lopez, yes, the New Jersey roster is that much worse than New Orleans last year even without David West.
    It is THAT much worse.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Agree with @broy, great objectivity. I would say Dwill is firmly in third place as of now he has been playing much better lately.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    Dwill is still in discussion for top pg.
    But rondo? This season??
    Rondo?!? Id take russ at this point.
    Get a consistent jumper, then maybe.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Yeah your probably right, the Nets are turrible this year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rondo & Westbrook to me are in the same tier of PG’s. Rondo is not near CP, DR, DW territory. I Can’t put him there without any semblance of a jumper.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    CP3, Rondo, Deron, Calderon, Rubio, Kidd, Nash, Conley, Curry, Holiday…real point guards that creates for their teammates.
    Rose, Lawson, Augustine, Felton, Jennings, Parker, Stuckey, Teague…lead guards aka will create to score then pass second. Sam Cassell broke it down with SLAM (can’t remember the ish #), the definition of those.

  • AD

    @nbk rondo and westbrook have that lockdown defense tho?

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    look ENIG…BROY I feel you. I just don’t feel like Rose does anything better than the pg’s I listed except be more athletic. He’s VERY close to their level. at this point tho. VERY CLOSE. and I’m not gonna say “he’s not a true pg, he takes too many shots” bc I know that the bulls are just offensively deficient. I’m JUST saying. and it is really weird that cp3 has literally never beaten d.rose. I expect that to change tho, especially with his new teammates. NBK I only put rondo in the top tier of pg’s bc I feel like he is SO good at literally everything else.

  • el_larsen

    cp3 and dwill are the best pg this year.
    pistons were awful ,if we don’t make a trade,we can beat the wizards and the bobcats for the worst team trophy!
    lol B easy!!what a game 34pts from the bench,i just like this guy!”my regular groove lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I understand kid, I don’t have a problem with your opinion, I just don’t agree personally. Not saying you are wrong.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    Real talk, I might even take steve nash over rondo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rubio is +38 in the fourth quarter this season, which ranks third in the NBA among point guards behind Derrick Rose and Jrue Holiday.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And people say Rose isn’t clutch? If Rose is playing in the 4th quarter, its because the other team has made it competitive, so thats not a garbage stat.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    I think Rondo’s jumper is better than I thought from the free throw line extended. You can still go under the picks, but he will make you pay a little now. And since he’s getting to the rim, or was, I can’t fault him. the free throws are another issue though. that is a big problem.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    At this very moment Westbrook’s better than Rondo.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    Not to me.
    Westbrook is a better scorer. but better at running a team, making sure everybody eats, basically being a leader and pro? Nah, it’s not even close.
    Rondo couldn’t and shouldn’t be your second best scorer, but he can be your leader and keep guys in line. Westbrook is too emotional and too much of a gunner for that. One of the problems with the Thunder is that everybody kind of lets him slide on some really ridiculous choices during games.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    And I don’t just mean shots, I mean his mannerisms and attitude. I love how he play with fire and anger, but he needs to temper that particularly when it comes to dealing with his teammates.
    And he needs to cool it on those ridiculous heat check shots from 22-23 feet.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If I had a “go-to guy” and the choice between Rondo and Westbrook for just this season, I would take Rondo.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I just see Westbrook ended up as a good scorer on a bad team.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Wanna hear some horrendous numbers? Dwight’s +/- stats over the past 4 games have been pathetic at best. Check this out:
    -14, 5 point loss to 76ers
    -13, 21 point loss to Pacers
    -22, 26 point loss to Hornets
    -25, 8 point loss to Celtics
    Dwight has had the worst +/- ratings BY FAR of anyone on the Orlando team. What does that say?

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    cmon man why do we keep going back to this PG thing. until 1 of them actually outplays D.ROSE i dont wanna hear anything. anytime D.ROSE matches against any top PG its so BLATANATLY obvious that he is something different. i was watching 1 game and i thought to myself ” has there ever been a PG with that bodytype? dudes shoulders are HUGE for a PG” D.ROSE knows he’s the best and every other PG knows he’s the best.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Wanna hear some horrendous numbers? Dwight’s +/- stats over the past 4 games have been pathetic at best. Check this out:
    -14, 5 point loss to 76ers
    -13, 21 point loss to Pacers
    -22, 26 point loss to Hornets
    -25, 8 point loss to Celtics
    Dwight has had the worst +/- ratings BY FAR of anyone on the Orlando team recently. What does that say?

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7337505/orlando-magic-otis-smith-gave-permission-dwight-howard-agent-speak-new-jersey-nets nbk

    It says they don’t play hard with Dwight in the game? idk I haven’t really seen much Orlando lately.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    ^Dwight has been exceedingly inefficient the last couple of games, being, what the kids say nowadays, a ball stopper. He hasn’t been passing out of the low post and forces up bad shots. He still dominates on defense but he KILLS the Orlando offense. Look at the game last night; 8 points in the 4th quarter, all while Dwight was in the game.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7337505/orlando-magic-otis-smith-gave-permission-dwight-howard-agent-speak-new-jersey-nets nbk

    Damn I didn’t notice that.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I just don’t watch Orlando any more. They remind me of that team that made it to the finals in 09….. but retarded. That is an interesting stat though.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Every star player in the L that hits a couple of shots performs a heat check, every one. So you’re telling me that Rondo can carry a team of average players better than Russ? Keep sleeping on Westbrook.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    who was that too JT?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    Who said that?
    I said what Rondo is better at.
    Obviously, Westbrook could be the main scorer on a team. But, how successful would that team be? A playoff team? Unlikely.
    As long as your team doesn’t need your point guard to be the main scoring option, Rondo is the better choice.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    I feel bad for Perk, i really do. Can you imagine what Griffins top ten dunks after he retires is gonna look like, damn. As for the point guard thing all i can say is that we are blessed with some dope young dudes running their teams.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AP.
    I agree with you. It all depends on the type of players surrounding them.
    The reasons why I think Russ is the better player is because of his rebounding, defense, scoring (dude has a decent post-game), improved playmaking abilities and willingness to take over games (sometimes it’s good, sometimes bad).

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    Rondo has always been a better rebounder, check the numbers, and just if you watch games it’s obvious.
    On defense Westbrook might be slightly better, but it’s arguable.
    Scoring is clearly a plus, but you can’t ignore that Westbrook’s scoring comes with increased turnovers and propensity to freeze others out of the offense. Not to mention that he does not make other players better, and still has not learned how to balance running a team with getting his buckets.
    If Westbrook is hitting his jumper, his game looks a lot better than when he’s not. When his jumper is not falling, what exactly does he do to help your team win?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Westbrook has consistently been around 4.8 rebounds for his career, so I don’t know if Rondo has always been better in that area.
    Rondo and Russ avg around the same number of TOs this season, so the same can be said for Rondo that his passing comes with increased TOs and a propensity to pass up wide open shots.
    Westbrook’s assists are down this season but he avg. around 8apg two seasons in a row, so let’s not act the only thing he excels in is shooting/scoring.
    Also, Russ is one of the best at getting to the rim, so when his J isn’t falling, he attacks the rim and puts opposing PGs in foul trouble.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Why did McHale sit Lowry for the entire fourth quarter against the T-Wolves? What the hell was that about? And Lowry has been really struggling with his shot the past few games; he’s better than this. He shot decently from the field last night but only played 25 minutes… Again–why?!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    also, Rubio is a legit. He’ll be a top PG in the league some day soon.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I guess russell westbrook does belong in the elite tier of pg’s…. speaking of which is ty lawson an elite pg to you guys?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Nah but he’s in that 3rd tier along with Lowry, Conley, Wall, Calderon. Lack of size and pure playmaking ability are why.

  • broy

    @Allball trust me fam, Cp3 is my dude but I’m a realist. I point out the good and the bad in players games, just like I feel like nerves were involved in Rose missing those free throws and the moment got the best of him. I would take Cp3, Dwill or Rose over my hometown pg westbrook any day of the week though.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Calderon? Are you drunk Taylor?

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    keep sleepin on Kyrie.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    HA! I’m not saying dude is a great PG which is why I have him in that 3rd group. Dude is not an elite playmaker (I don’t even consider him to be very good) but his AST/TO ratio is the best in the L. That has to count for something when ranking PGs, right?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah but have you have seen him play defense?
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    me either.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    fair enough

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I guess westbrook deserves to be in the elite pg condo… also what makes ty lawson a 3rd tier guy?

  • hugo

    does anybody know when the last time a pg got back to back MVPS prior to steve nash? had it been done before???

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    ^Magic, 88-90.

  • Justin G.

    Hugo, Magic won back to back MVP’s in 88-89 and 89-90 I believe. And I’d say Calderon’s defense is as non existant as Rondo’s jumper/FT’s

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