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Saturday, January 28th, 2012 at 6:28 pm  |  106 responses

Report: Raptors Open To Trading Jose Calderon


The Raptors PG recently told the Spanish newspaper, Marca, that he’d “like to have the opportunity to compete for something.” He may get his wish. ESPN reports that Calderon’s salary and GM Bryan Colangelo’s new direction for the team, has the Raptors’ front office considering moving Calderon for another PG: “Sources with knowledge of Toronto’s thinking say that the team is not just going to give Calderon away, especially when he’s back to supplying a typically efficient 10.6 points and 8.7 assists nightly, but I’m told that the Raps are indeed open to moving him. [...] Sources say that the Raps, if not outright shopping Calderon, have let it be known they’re willing to listen, since he’s no longer regarded as their long-term answer at the point. That’s because shedding Calderon’s nearly $11 million salary for next season would be another step in the reset that began with Bryan Colangelo’s drafting of Jonas Valanciunas in June and the hiring of the defensive-minded Dwane Casey as the new coach.”

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  • http://aol.com wagers

    Lakers or Heat, the end.

  • http://aol.com wagers

    wait now that i actually read the article, no heat, lakers would be a cool fit that if they have the cap space.

  • Justin G.

    The problem is going to be finding someone willing to pay the guy $11M although I’m not sure when his contract expires. He has been playing well this year and his defense has gotten a little better since Casey took over. I’m not sure he’s the answer for the Lakers although it’s obviously an upgrade over Fisher

  • http://www.thehoopscene.com lawlow

    the raptors should be open to trading anyone on their roster!

  • burnt_chicken

    If a deal does come through, i hope eRozan is packaged off as well. I’ve never seen a high flyer who is a worse rebounder, and whose entire offensive arsenal consists of four variations of a fadeaway and the occassional oop. No typo.

  • BRAVO

    I kinda agree wirh the comment above me. Im from toronto and i had very high expectation for derozan this year bit all je os showong me that he needs way more improvement. His game lacks aggression and confidence rite now. I mean he is a great person as well as a player sonce ive meet him a couple times bit looks like he might not b a all star like i thought…….smh

  • Smizz

    I hope a trade of some sort can happen. The whole Euro movement that Colangelo tried was a complete failure. With their best player (Andrea) injured indefinitely, the team is stuck with no strong scoring option. They need to get Starbury out of China and into a Raptors’ jersey, or just move the team to Seattle.

  • BRAVO

    @ Smizz LMAO move “Toronto Raptors” to “Seattle”……yeah right this will never happen. Canada has enuff money to keep our organization. Not even a state in your country could buy our team. and starbury in a raptors jersey? man dude your lame who would want to see this dude play for Toronto? Thats not the direction that our team is going we dont need old duds to perform.

  • http://ZOGS.COM ZOGS

    FIRE DWAYNE CASEY – HE ONLY PREACHES DEFENCE (NO OFFENSE)
    TRADE JOSE – HE RUNS IN CIRCLES LIKE A RETARD
    TRADE ANDREA – HE IS A 7 FOOT EDDIE HOUSE
    FIRE BRIAN COLANGELO – HE KEEPS DRAFTING WHITE PEOPLE

  • Bojangles

    I will say it right now, %95 of Canadian basketball fans know absolutely %0 about the game. I’m embarrassed by the people on these boards who claim to be Raptor’s fans. Just keep the broken record spinnin people…
    On another note, trading Jose to LA to get his pass first mentality, steady playmaking and reuniting him with the greatest Spaniard to ever lace em up wouldn’t be such a bad thing. Not to mention covering up his slow feet with the twin towers under the hoop. Sign and trade Agent Zero for Jose? Gives a chance for a banished player to remake his name on what is already a lost team and gives the Lakeshow a world class playmaker. Something to think about.

  • BallisLove

    Im canadian and i cheer for the miami heat

  • Bojangles

    We desperately need offense. How’s AI’s jumper lookin these days? haha I’m allowed to dream, right?

  • Matt53

    There is no mention of Calderon in the ESPN link that is provided !!! This trade will not happen because there are NOT many teams in the league who can pay 11 million for a PG like Calderon. This is no knock on Calderon but he is over paid like other BC signings , Kapano, Hedo and …

    It also does not make any sense for Toronto to move him. Toronto will not be competitive next year so might as well wait till Jose is done his contract and you maybe able to sign him for much cheaper price on a long term deal as your 2nd PG.

  • shutup

    The best pg to ever come out of Spain, lmao.

  • Red

    Yeah damn that’d be great moving the Raptors to Seattle, Canada sucks its dumb that we still have a team there.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    why is everybody doubting toronto and thinking that they should relocate? last year before the lockout they were one of the only markets to MAKE exceptional amounts of money! although i do agree with DemarD i had super high expectations for him this year but he seems… timid? and this club can score (with Andrea)..couple of years from now they will be a team that not everybody will think of toronto being just another lay-over game

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Toronto > Seattle.

  • AL

    The “best pg to come out of spain” plays like a beast when surrounded with good players, as shown with his play in the NT. The Raptors best season in 2007 came when the team was full of those much maligned euro-imports, with Anthony Parker (euroleague star in his prime), Jorge Garbajosa (world champ), Calderon (world champ), Bargs, etc.

    Almost 50 wins. The closest thing to become respected this sorry franchise will be in the next 10 years.

    Keep the eurohate going.

  • quest

    toronto is always in the top half in attendance why would they move they make money. whats so bad about toronto? have you been there its better than most cities in the states

  • Red

    It’s just a useless team that won’t ever be mainstream even if it starts winning. Eventually the NBA will get rid of it. They need to relocate to Seattle or even here in Chicago, a second team would be good. We’re a huge sports town.

  • http://ZOGS.CA ZOGS

    ^^DUMBA$$ AMERICAN
    TDOT IS PACKED EVERY NIGHT YOU FOOL
    YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT WATCH BALL, OR ELSE YOU WOULD KNOW SEATTLE WAS A GHOST TOWN…FOOL

  • shutup

    I wasn’t hating on Calderon the lmao was because I truly think he is better than Rubio, He’s a better overall player and a better pg, but Rubio gets all the attention even when he played on the national team as a backup to Calderon.

  • Red

    LOL actually the Sonics moved to OKC cause the owner was from there & also wasn’t able to get a new NBA arena for them. Don’t you feel dumb. And Raptors suck.

  • http://ZOGS.CA ZOGS

    ^^^Was it empty or not? Ya thats right SHUT YO UGLY BlTCH A$$ UP NlGGA

  • quest

    ^^^^ see raptors have passionate fans. all of us are like that if you come on a ball court in toronto say ur from the states and say the raptors should move to seattle….. good luck to u

  • repTdot

    First, the raptors are owned by mlse which owns the maple leafs (most valuable team in nhl), Raps (10th most valuable in nba) and toronto fc (2nd most valuable team in mls). Also own an AHL team, tv chnls, and host of different entities that drive up their value. Thus they are one of the most lucrative sports owning companies out there, meaning the RAPTORS will never go any where. Chances are an American team will move before the Raptors will. Sorry but the Raptors are here to stay.

    TDOT

  • Red

    Stay losing too lol. And it wasn’t empty There was a huge push to keep them but the owner never intended to stay. Wtf would they do in Canada? Force me to drink maple syrup? The Raptors suck and apparently are relevant only in Canada. Canadians get so mad at us, possibly cause they stay trying to be like us. Lollll

  • Buschfire

    I guarantee Vancouver would get another NBA team before Seattle does. Seattle is full of tree hugger’s and pot smoking hippies who sit in drum circles they’re more interested in shutting down the IMF and World bank then they are in attending basketball games. Also to add to the point of the poster above. MLSE’s majority stakeholder sold their shares to Rogers, which is a huge telecommunications company that also owns the Toronto Bluejays. Also in the grand scheme of David Stern and basketball becoming a global sport, this would just show regression in the game if the Raptors shipped out of T dot. As much as the Raptors may suck at the moment we are not going anywhere anytime soon. Trust me if we can build a great team here we’ll make it that you can’t ignore us. Its pathetic the amount of ignorant people that post on this website. USA vs Canada bull#%$T, grow up.

  • http://ZOGS.CA ZOGS

    @Red (probs stand for REDNECK)
    **MAYBE IF YOU SPENT LESS TIME F*CKING YOUR SISTER, AND ACTUALLY WATCHING BASKETBALL, YOU WOULD REALISE THAT THEY WERE 20-62**
    And I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU AMERICANS NOT UNDERSTANDING THE TERM “EMPTY”, IS BECAUSE YOUR ALWAYS FULL (of food) GO F*CK YOUR SELVES YOU OBESE BORDERLINE RETARDED F*CKS!!!

  • 416-Tdot-4life

    Nobody wants to be 350 pounds and gobbles up dollar meals from McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner, you Americans are disgusting. We were on mainstream TV back in 2001 when the Raps made the Eastern Conference Finals. The game was being called on NBC by legend Marv Albert, Bill Walton and Doug Collins check it out on youtube. Don’t tell us Raptors were never relevant.

    So how are the Sonics doing… pretty good in Oklahoma City almost 2,000 miles away. Even the Grizzlies are gone, what a joke. Seattle isn’t a basketball city. A real basketball city finds a way to keep their team.

    416 Stand up!

  • WhiteSoxfan

    what the hell? why is there even a discussion about relocating the team? The Raptors make more money than most of the teams in the NBA. The Sonics moved out of Seattle because no one went to their games, they were losing money and lacked fans.

    @Red why all the hate for Canada? if America were more like Canada and didn’t spend trillions of dollars it doesn’t have on unnecessary wars it’d be much better off. ignorant HATER

  • buschfire

    Zogs, its Canadian’s like you who give us a bad name… now say sorry eh! Seriously though back to the original article? anyone? Calderon to anywhere would be tough with his Salary, I say keep him until he comes off the books.. unless we can trade while his stock is up and get a first round draft pick or somthin’ suuurious. I like Dwayne Casey as a coach its great to have someone teach us some defense. unfortunaley due to the short pre season and lack of talent other then bargs our offense is struggling. Thats fine though because at least we have a good shot at a top 5 draft pick in a deep draft + Jonas Val coming next season + mad amounts of cap space to tweak the roster. Brian Co signed all these ghetto ass 1 year contracts for a reason.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    ^ @Buschfire u are my new best friend! vancouver FTW! thus the name VANCITY-BBall… and who knows TDOT can get better, look at the Clippers now and 5+ years ago… nobody would have thought that they would be challenging a team like the lakers EVER

  • Red

    Haha, it’s Canadians that copy us & try to be like us. Hey I don’t mind, follow along. Redneck? Lol, I was born & raised in Chicago, red=Bulls. The Bulls, as in the team that’s way better than the Raptors who suck & are a useless team? Yeah, it’s cool though you guys Acan keep filling up the arena to watch your team lose, and even if u guys win we wouldn’t care.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    with kleiza back and if barbosa can stay healthy then they still have a chance to make some noise… but with ABarg’s out and DeMar lacking confidence or something, u wont need any ear plugs

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    yeah because a team like Charolette is winning AND filling arena’s right? so the only logical thing to do is to relocate them to seattle…

  • Red

    But are owned by MJ. If a stateside team starts doing good I.E: Wizards, Bobcats started doing good people would become fans. A perfect example of that is the Clippers. Either way, its pointless to have the Raptors they’ll suck even if they’re winning.

  • Mega

    yo buschfire u gaurantee Van to get our team back before Seattle??? U from here? u kidding me? We will never see another NBA franchise man that was a short little day dream of a team that was run into the ground by Stern’s current right hand man, stu jackson. I dont wanna troll I’m just very passionate about how BADLY we got screwed. And one more thing to everyone, here in vancouver the coldest it gets in the downtown and sorrounding burbs is like -4 celsius (25F) for like 3 weeks maybe a little warmer/colder, and snows rarely. So much love to Van but we aint never gettin no team back……noize- hey Slam do a piece on Big Country Reeves and the time he ate Mahmoud Abdul Rauf…

  • price

    @red you can say all you want about the Raptors but dont talk sh!t about Canada. Everytime I watch American News it’s about how people cant find jobs or losing their homes left and right. You’ll always hear an American say something about the “Economy”. I aint struggling, I dont know anybody from where I’m from that cant get a job. The fact is, you should be try to be more Canadian. Canadians dont bum rush a store front just to cop a pair jordans leaving people injured. Your ignorance and arrogance just shows how American you are, I wouldnt try to be you EVER.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    Lol

  • buschfire

    Red is just a troll, a waste of time trying to argue with his ignorance…No wonder the US is so backwards. We’ll see whose laughing when you guys fall into another recession.

  • Mike from Spain

    @ shutup … why bring it into this discussion? By ‘it’ I mean your Rubio hate. Totally irrelevant, save it for news hyping the guy. I can sympathise with your hating a player, I do ‘hate’ other players… but you seem a bit obsessed

  • http://www.thesmashbrothas.com zen garden

    if anyone utah will trade devin harris straight up

  • buschfire

    we’ll pass on D harris… thanks but no thanks.

  • burnt_chicken

    sigh. Every Raptors post seems to degenerate into the same thing. Don’t propagate hate, people. It’s not just yourself that you make look bad. You can easily take pride in where you are from without needing to insult the nationality of anyone else. Mark Jackson needs to get you all to huddle up so he can shake his head, look everyone deep, and quietly say: You’re better than that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com aman from arkansas

    calderon for d. fish and a trade exception

  • shutup

    @mike from spain, I dont hate Rubio, I think he’s a good player, I just like Calderon better, didnt wanna even bring his name into it until someone said I hate all European players. And lets make no mistake Tony Parker is the best European PG ever, and in my eyes top 5 in the league right now, how many other active pg’s have a finals MVP under their belt? As for hate, the only sports figure I hate is Tom Brady,(f*ckin tuck rule my a$$) Go Giants!!!!!

  • Bravo

    Toronto is where it’s at. Free health care!!!!!! If I was an American I’d move to Canada ASAP! Unless you rich in the states cuz u gon b paying $1000 a night in the hospital which is great when your poor bum like most ppl there :)

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Calderon would fit in great on the Lakers, Knicks, Magic, Kings, or Mavericks.

  • MikeC.

    @Red: you need the Raptors. Good teams need bad teams to beat up on to puff up the W-L record. As far as relocating, cRaps make gobs of maple syrup-caked money. They turn huge profits as a losing team. No fickle, fair-weather, band wagon fans there.

  • MikeC.

    @Caboose: I think Jose’s contract has another year left. That won’t work with Cuban’s cap plan for next summer. That would also end the “Roddy Buckets Future Star” movement.

  • Shem

    I can’t believe this is even a discussion. Raptor games sell out all the time. There is no way this team is ever moving, MLSE has too much money. The future looks bright for this team. Bargnani is starting to play up to expectations, Ed Davis, Amir Johnson, Bayless, Demar DeRozan, Barbosa, James Johnson all have potential. Add that with Valanciunas and another top pick from this draft (hopefully Harrison Barnes) coming next year and we got a solid squad.

  • Shem

    Forgot to mention this team has the 5th lowest payroll and room for free agent signings.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    My bad on the Mavs, I thought Calderon was expiring.

  • Gammack

    I’m Canadian and the fact is some of these posts are ridiculous. From Canadians and Americans alike. So a couple points… If a team makes money there is no point in moving them. Since the Raptors are the only Canadian team, they have a very large fan base. This page is about moving Calderon, not moving the team. I find it pretty sad that I come here trying to read about basketball but instead get to read about how Canadians try to copy Americans, or how bad the American economy is, etc, etc. Calderon is a slightly better than average pg with a relatively large contract. The Raps are open to moving him. Those are the facts. Lets keep it at that.

  • Justin G.

    Red you might be the biggest moron on this site. Yes, move a team that’s one of the biggest profit makers in the NBA. Between the years MJ played and Derrick Rose got drafted did you think the Bulls should be moved? Didn’t think so. And as for all of this ridiculous Canada vs. US crap, both countries have their pros and cons and bringing them up during a basketball discussion makes you all look like fu(ktards.

  • Bravo

    As long as you know Canada is better than the states

  • Justin G.

    Well yes, I do know that but still. lol

  • shutup

    I like gravy on my fries and i have a wicked slapshot ehh.

  • Mike From Spain

    @ shutup -> career wise tony parker is one of the best – pg, euro player, you name it. right now he’s a bit on a decline but still very good. I can only hope for rubio or calderon to have a fraction of his nba success . as for euroleague and fiba national teams, rubio’ career is already better.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    To Americans dissing Canada: I live in Toronto. Trust me, it’s and incredible place to live. All the money, great food, and beautiful girls you could ever want. To Raptor fans defending them: I live in Toronto. Trust me, the Raptors suck. No offense, no defense, and no direction. They’re not sniffing the playoffs for the next 5 years. There, is everyone happy???

  • Justin G.

    Five years? I’ll say maybe 3. You never can tell with what we’ll get in the draft, how Jonas Val will affect the team, if Bargnani keeps playing like an All Star, time with the coach in a real training camp and practice time, maybe DeRozan busts out…the kid is only 21 I think so let’s not get down on the guy yet.

  • DeeRose

    TRADE Calderon. Stop drafting Europeans.

    Raptors will never relocate.

    America & Canada both have pros & cons. One country is not better than the other.

    This is a basketball thread though…

    SMDH.

  • Red

    I’m a moron for having an opinion? Yeah that really makes YOU look like a moron for hating me for an opinion on a DISCUSSION page. To me, Canada isn’t really anything, you guys listen to our music, watch our tv shows, want to copy us, etc. But yet are so quick to say you’re ‘better’ somehow. It’s all good though we don’t mind I’m sure, plus you guys all ended up seeming ignorant for being douches in your replies & were hurt by what an American thinks further showing you guys want to be like us. Thanks guys

  • buschfire

    lol @ Red I’m not even Canadian, but I do live in Toronto and consider it my home. To be honest I don’t care what you’re saying because quite frankly your opinion means absolute squat. Obviously you have some sort of underlying issues about being an American and how good it is to be one Otherwise you wouldn’t have to put down Canada. Like a bully in the playground beating up the smallest kid. Its funny that Americans when traveling around the world stitch a canadian flag on the back of their backpacks so that they don’t get gang beaten. I think you are the only one still on the CDN VS US BS. oh but just to wrap up I don’t think we try to be like you, we just enjoy some of your media. Though these days it seems you like ours since the Bieber and Drake are # 1′s on american charts…(they both suck btw) and even if we did want to emulate you that should make you happy as copying is just a form of flaterry.Lets just talk basketball. Yes the Raptors do suck. big deal 2 – 3 years from now we’ll be in playoff contention. Chicago is a great team actually been my favourite team since i was a kid. Why all the hate for Toronto, its a great world class city.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Wow.
    ZOGS is the biggest racist on this site and y’all are jumping all over Red for HIS comments?
    Nice.
    The comment section on this site is slowly going the way of YouTube…

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    And the Raptors suck and yeah, they won’t be sh*t for a while.
    Gonna take more than three years
    And I don’t know much about my neighbors to the southwest (you read that right) but Toronto looks like a cool city.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    *Neighbors to the southeast. Got all turned around my bad.
    I ain’t trying to talk sh*t to Raps fans but some of y’all need to be more realistic.
    I’m a Bulls fan, and back in the Ron Mercer days, I knew it would take a real star to get us back.
    Enter D Rose.
    But if y’all land an Anthony Davis in the draft you might be aight

  • Red

    I didn’t much read what you said Busch, but if you don’t care what I think why are u still replying? And you know what I was just trying to piss people off but Anthony Davis isn’t the answer, they need a star at the 1,2, or 3 in order to become contenders. But I still believe stateside, no one will ever care for the Raps. Excuse any ignorance, but I do believe you guys copy us then hypocritically say you’re better than us lol.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    Toronto is the 5th largest city in North America and the centre of an urban area of over 8 million people (golden horseshoe). Why would anyone even think of moving a team from that market, even if basketball is (at best) the city’s #2 sport? On the other hand, moving Calderon makes a lot of sense, but why demand a PG in return? Trading and drafting for talent – not position – is usually the best way to build a team.

  • Justin G.

    Enigmatic, we mostly just ignore ZOGS now
    Red, what exactly do we copy? What is it that makes Americans think they are so great? I believe it’s your president trying to copy our form of health care. Don’t be jealous of us because the world hates your guts.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    this may sound silly for some people but toronto is a lot like NYC believe it or not… but calderon can make a difference on almost any team in the L

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    smh

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca niQ

    Too many trolls on this thread…

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    This is what happens on weekends…all the “commenters” aren’t in their middle school classes.

  • buschfire

    If Toronto can get Anthony Davis or Harrison Barnes or Jeremy Lamb I think we’ll be ok with Bargnani having a breakout season, and with Jonas Valuncunias on the way…Ed Davis and DeMar if they can get out of their funks we’ll have a fairly solid young core. We just need a point guard…thoughts?

  • Shem

    I don’t understand why everyone is so big on Anthony Davis. He seems like a less athletic Derrick Favors with better shot blocking ability. Probably going to have a similar career to Marcus Camby. Don’t get me wrong, great player but not enough to turn a franchise around. Andre Drummond is the best big man out of this draft and as for the Raptors, Harrison Barnes would be the best fit.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Harrison Barnes will be a solid role player at best. Weak off the dribble, slow lateral quickness, average rebounder. He won’t bring the Raps any closer to a playoff birth. I LOVE Davis’ poise and shot blocking ability, but I’m not sure he could play along side Bargs because neither can play the 5 at this point. Davis will struggle because of his lack of size, and Bargs has struggled as a result of his lack of effort, desire, and willingness to box out on D. Jonas V and Davis combo sounds intriguing though . . .

  • Red

    Na Shem, Anthony Davis to me is a mini-D Howard. And you copy our music, tv shows, stores, etc. Ok, we took Democracy from Greek philosophers, guess they’re better than half the world. An idea is bulletproof, a good idea gets copied. The Raps need a passing forward to feed it to good shooters & a decent sized Center.

  • Justin G.

    You also took a lot of your TV shows and music from Britain. Or did you think you invented American Idol, X Factor, America’s Got Talent, to name but a few?

  • Shem

    Andre Drummond is much closer to Dwight Howard than Anthony Davis. Davis is a wiry 4 with a jumper, don’t see it. I think this draft is overrated. The expectations for Jeremy Lamb and Jared Sullinger are unrealistic.

  • Red

    I agree with the Lamb bit, and Davis’ rebounding is good he’s got length & once he comes to the NBA I think he’ll bulk up. And again we took the ideas & reused them, we didn’t literally take a show unless you mention The Office. I’m not going to argue about this anymore lol it’s getting dumb. But Rubio is a better 1 than Calderon.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    smh Rubio is clearly better ten Calderon. If you can’t see that then you aren’t watching. It’s not even close.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Live from the 519

    @red – Chill out with the copying bit pal. Donald Sutherland, Rachael McAdams, Ryan Gosling, Ryan Reynolds, Scarlett Johanssen, Mike Myers, James Cameron, Christopher Plummer, Drake, the BIEBS etc. All Canadian. Our economy is sweet- we have great jobs and great education. When I go to the hospital- I don’t pay sh*t. Our economy, social welfare, education, and health are all ranked better. If someone like Mitt Romney had political aspirations here- we would laugh at him. Don’t get me wrong, its nothing personal against the States. But when you come in here with your bs about how we’re maple syrup licking puckheads, we get a little defensive as you can see.

    In terms of Calderon- meh. I bleed Raptors but I’m already excited about our chances in the Anthony Davis sweepstakes.

  • woopwoop

    rubio will be better than calderon, but right now calderon has a better shot and more experience. is he over paid? yes. but like many people have said he will be an asset to a team with good talent around him.

    we have enough PFs (amir, ed, etc) we need a wing scorer, DD is not cutting it, and we need someone to push him like a Barnes or Kidd-GIlchrist.

    Valencunias is coming, and he will be at the C spot, best player probably for his age at his position.

    It will take time, but the raptors will get back into relevance.

    In terms of fans and market, toronto is one of the best run franchises in terms of turning a profit. toronto is one of the greatest cities in the world, and a great market for this sport (plus VC and all that hype helped ALOT). vancouver failed because they have a more hockey heavy fan base.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Andre Drummond won’t be Dwight Howard because he lacks the heart and desire to get there.
    That’s why Davis will be better, he wants to be the best.
    If you can’t watch a Kentucky game and see that he will be an absolute game-changer in the NBA on the defensive side of the ball, you might be watching the wrong sport.
    I wrote a piece about how Davis might be the best defensive prospect since Tim Duncan I might post on my blog here soon.
    Anyways, we Americans steal the sh*t out of other countries’ movies and tv shows. That is a fact.
    The Office, Let Me In, The Ring, The Grudge, Ugly Betty, Vanilla Sky, Brothers, I could go on and on and on…

  • Shem

    Completely disagree Enigmatic, you can assess a players physical attributes and fundamentals but you’ll never know who has the heart and desire. I think Davis is phenomenal on defence but power forwards are a lot easier to come by today than centers which is why Drummond is going 1st.

  • shutup

    Maybe you should give Calderon his due, he is a better leader has a better jumpshot, shoots free throws better, why else would he be the starter on Spain’s national team ahead of Rubio, or do you know better than the coaches over there too? Oh and there numbers this season are neck and neck.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    This Canada vs. America debate is really dumb. Sorry folks.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Sorry as in, sorry this thread sucked @ss because of Red and ZOGS.

  • http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html nbk

    Lol Rubio plays defense, Calderon doesn’t. The gap between them as overall NBA players is Huge.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Calderon’s jumper, ft shooting, and assist to turnover ratio are better. But he plays mantador defense. Rubio’s D is much better and he’s got the intangibles. Where Calderon is a conservative “east-west” passer, Rubio actually passes to players in scoring positions. He’s far more aggressive and his upside is much higher than Jose’s ceiling.

  • Red

    It sucked? You’d have replied to it if it had a lot more fewer comments? Ok you’re just looking for attention Teddy, grow up lol.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    ” a lot more fewer comments”? What does that even mean???

  • b-nEWT

    Who is that awesome power forward that used to play for the Raptors?? ummmmm Chris something?? oh no, that’s right! MATT BONNER!

  • Red

    Exactly what I said, meaning if it was a lot less comments I doubt he’d have posted. Use your numbskull, you’re mad slow.

  • SikhWitIt

    He would be an excellent fit on the Mavs. They lost a lot of quickness with Barrea which they can recover with Calderon while allowing J-Kidd to come off the bench and rest up for the stretch run. Mavs are going to be dangerous!

  • shutup

    I dont understand what an east -west passer means if there putting up the same number of assist or close to it per game, and with calderon a/to ratio being better doesnt that mean hes more productive? and how long till rubio gets the rondo treatment? Calderons jumpshot keeps D’s honest. Does Rubio have more potential? Ask me when the Wolves arent babying him, you do realize ridinour is a pg, so giving him credit for running the offense when there both on the floor is a lil deceiving. AS for calderon playing matador D, I find that racist and derogatory. Rubio does play better D, but lets face it neither of these two guys are gonna stop any of the better pgs out there.

  • Mike From Spain

    @shutup -> if you say that Ridnour runs the offense better than RR, then either you think very differently than I do or you haven’t been watching the Wolves matches. Statistics can be deceiving, but you can also check out the +/- and PER among other things, and it’s not even close. Not even with Ridnour having a good shooting night every now and then. I should spell it Rinour, because he’s got no D.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg nbk

    Shutup doesn’t know what he’s talking about Mike. There’s no use trying to explain it to him.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    WOW

  • CubicleWorker

    lol @ Bojangles!!

    “95% of canadians know 0% about basketball”

    Then you claim that LA should sign an amnesty player and trade for Calderon…you can’t trade an amnesty player in the season that you sign him

  • Lloyd

    I can’t hate Colangelo for over paying certain players like Kapono and Hedo. A good chunk of these NBA players are Americans or want to play in America. Most of them have the same mindset of Red and don’t want to be in Canada (Even though Toronto is an amazing city to live in). Colangelo feels like he needs to lure players here with money. What he needs to do is start from the ground up..get a solid coaching staff. Our player development is HORRIBLE. Teams like the Spurs can take a player and milk them for every ounce of talent and potential they got. Demar could have been an All-Star caliber player right now if he had the right guidance and coaching. A good pick in the draft won’t do much if that player won’t get nurtured and become better while he’s in a Raptor jersey.

  • bk

    No one in Canada wants to be from your broke a$$ country……..and give demar some time, he’s just to reliant on his new found jumper right now. And it isn’t their fault they suck lol, they just spent most of the last decade trying to build around a player that isn’t that good in Chris bosh…… And I ain’t hating because he left, I never liked the f***in guy

  • 4dHaters

    ya’ll are f**ked up on hating on DeRozan.Its his third year, and you cant really expect a non superstar to get it big on a team lacking of talent, especially now that Bargs and Bayless are injured. Its his job to step up, but hes a 9th pick, not a first pick. Give him so time, Bargs is in his 7th season and this is the first season he’s shown promise. If you call DeMar a bust, you should go tell him that yourself and apply for a job as an advisor to BC since you seem to know everything about basketball and development.

  • LongtimeRapfan

    Well, Demar is a decent player. He isn’t going to be a superstar..or might be an all-star 2-3 years into his career. He was the 9th pick! Johnny Flynn 2 picks above isn’t doing all star work.. 2 picks down Terrance Williams isn’t doing all-star work and the guy right above him Jordan Hill.. He is far from an all-star. He is doing Well for 9th pick. Tdot is a great place to play.. lots of fans and its 13th in the league in attendance with a below .500 team.. 2006-2008 it was around the top 7 in attendance with a decent team. If Calderon gets traded to LA it may be good for both franchises and LA is probably the only team that could take him with his 11 mil contract. I would also if it were possible try to trade him to Houston for Johnny Flynn and Thabeet. The salary cap would work. Not directly sure the situation in Houston but they definitively could compete for P-offs and there are still only 2 years on Jose’s Contract.

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