Thursday, February 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm  |  104 responses

Big O: West, Chamberlain, Russell, Baylor Would Beat ’92 Dream Team

The media loves to ask old-timers how they’d fare against today’s players, and the legends (competitive as ever, still) never seem to give an inch. Oscar Robertson tells the Miami Herald that his contemporaries from the 1960s and 1970s would wipe the floor with arguably the greatest basketball team ever assembled: “On the quality of play in today’s NBA: ‘I think the athletes have gotten better, but that doesn’t make you a better basketball player. The only play most teams run is the high pick with the center. Is that really basketball? There are no reverses, no backdoors, double-screens, weakside cuts from the strong side. They don’t have any of that anymore.’ On the celebrated 1992 Dream Team, which won gold at the Barcelona Olympics: ‘If we would have put myself and Jerry [West] in the backcourt, with Wilt [Chamberlain] and Bill [Russell] inside with Elgin Baylor, they never would have beat us. How could they?’”

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  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    hahaha oh lord

  • ab40

    well he’s got a point there.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oscar Robertson is 74 years old. His mind reflects that.

  • Cru_thik305

    I would give my left ball to see that game. And my right if the redeem team got to play the winner

  • Sterling Nunnally

    Oscar is right, they definitely would not have lost. Also on the bench you would have players like Walt Bellamy, Jerry Lucas, John Havilcek, etc. I would have loved to have seen this game, but Oscar and the fellows would have schooled the Dream Team.

  • El_Black_Mamba

    I agree With the big O

  • shutup

    hate myself for saying this but I agree with you NBK, this guy is nucking futz, gotta love his competitive spirit though

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Does anyone realize how bad those guys were defensively in those days? Or how much further along the game is strategically now a days? No?

  • LaKid

    They would not have won, sorry. None of them could’ve stopped MJ in his prime. Also, he is wrong about the plays. Some teams don’t, I’ll give him that, but watch Boston, LA to some extent, San Antonio, etc. Those boys run plays. I haven’t seen so many double, triple, quadruple screens in my entire life that I see in one Boston game.

  • http://www.blogspot.com LLC#12

    Somebody has been playing too much NBA 2K12…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    There is a reason Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double, and came within decimal points of doing it multiple times, despite playing with his back to the basket and shooting 20+ shots a night at under 50% for the majority of his career.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Uhhh…. No. No you wouldn’t O.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    The old guys would win, with Wilt and Russell anchoring the middle. Also Jerry West could shoot lights out and Big O would dominate Lebron-they would wash out. MJ would be hounded and would have to work very hard for his shots. The thing the old guys have is defense, TEAM Defense. Russel and Wilt would dominate. Old guys win. People forget, MJ should have lost two of his NBA Finals against Sonics and Jazz. MJ calls and Pippen stepping up saved him. I take old guys. Easy win. BOOK IT!!!

  • 23

    Athleticism is a BIG part of all sports. You can’t just dismiss that as a non-factor. That’s why they’re called athletes..

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Delusional . . . I remember Slam posted an article that mentioned Phil Jackson coaching a state-champion girls squad that was more skilled, knowledgeable, older, and bigger than a team comprised of middle-school boys who had never played together. This boys team apperently crushed this girls team.

    I’m not suggesting that Big O’s team were girls, but I think the fact that the Original/this year’s Dream Team could literally put together squads that are far more athletic, just as skilled, and that could have starting point guards(Magic/Bron) who are just as big as the elder team’s starting power forward in Bill Russell. If 6’8 Bill Russell could contain Wilt, than 6’11 Dwight and 7’1 David Robinson damn near shut him down. We’ve all seen the highlights, we’ve seen a 6’5 Havlicek steal the ball and proceed to dribble in circles with ONLY his right hand (wich somehow baffled his defenders). We’ve seen Wilt catch, pivot, and dunk on the opposing team’s 6’6 center. Let’s face it, today’s game has PF/C doing things that were reserved for PGs in the 60′s.
    I respect what basketball legends did for the game, but basketball has come a LOOOOOONG way, and to suggest that they could “wipe the floor” with the Kobes, Lebrons, Dwights, and Durants of today is ridiculous!

  • Jeremy

    Agree with O, and I think the redeem team would beat the winner. IMO the athletes have become… more athletic.. like that annoying bulls commentator.. TOO BIG, TOO FAST, TOO STRONG!

  • AD

    @NBK thats unfair to say man….. Oscar dominated, he couldnt help that if the “defense” was whack…. averaging a triple double is unheard of.. I didnt see him play but the highlights show he was making shots with people in his face.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The point is, Oscar never played in a game with modern defense. He never experienced what the NBA was like after 1974. To say what he said is just flat out false. There is a reason he is one of the top 10 players ever, but to say “‘If we would have put myself and Jerry [West] in the backcourt, with Wilt [Chamberlain] and Bill [Russell] inside with Elgin Baylor, they never would have beat us. How could they?’” is just wrong. Absolutely wrong. How could any of you stop any of the dream team on the perimeter? Or in any sort of fast break game. And Jerry West would be the only player on the lineup with a reliable jumper outside 18 feet. Oscar Robertson never even played in a game with a 3pt line.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k1jx3r4y1E dfrance21

    The Big O is a legend, but he’s also nuts. The Dream Team would run them off the floor. NBK made the point about the way they handled the ball, imagine Stockton and Mike in his prime hounding their ball handlers? Which one of them is gonna keep up with Robinson and Malone sprinting rim to rim all game? I think it’d be a rout.

  • bike

    I disagree with O saying the guys are better athletes now compared to when he played. Those guys of yesteryear were incredible athletes and probably just as athletic as the Dream Team boys. Wilt was arguably one the greatest athletes to play any sport period. Same goes for Elgin Baylor. Oscar was no slouch athletically either.
    But would they beat Jordan and company? I doubt it. The big difference, as someone already pointed out, is defense. If Wilt was playing today’s game he would no doubt dominate but no way would he ever average 50 points/game. The Big O would not likely average a triple double against today’s players. The offensive numbers those guys put up in those days don’t exist anymore. It would be a great contest but my money is on the Dream Team

  • hanif norman

    I believe that the older cats would win that game. With Wilt and Bill inside…..idk…..

  • http://facebook.com/tronjohnson Chief

    I think the problem with them winning is Wilt, would he sacrifice his ego enough to contribute? is the Big O crazy? Him vs Mike would be insane but I think the overall size and athleticism of the Dream Team would trump this team, unless Bill was allowed to be player/coach. But then Wilt would want to be player coach…The only thing going for Wilt is that he doesn’t have to play Bill I guess.

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  • Paul H

    That Is just absurd. And old-timers like to accuse modern day players of ego and conceit.

  • bashmo

    The Dream Team has the greatest player to ever to touch a basketball on their side. There is no one from any era that can adequately and consistently check MJ. And if that is somehow the case when these 2 teams go up against each other…look at who he’s got playing with him.

  • LA Huey

    Ish old folks say…

  • Rugulose

    @The Seed,

    What the hell are you talking about? Big O would dominate Lebron and MJ would have work hard for his shot? What team are you thinking of? Lebron obviously was not part of that team 20 yrs ago and MJ always had to work hard for his shot. That’s what made him great, the fact that he was able to get his shot despite 5 guys trying to cover him! And as far as your last comment about Pippen bailing MJ out, I don’t even know where to begin with that one!!!!

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    lol Big O you going senile.

  • Nitemare Team

    This five would dominate any team of any era:

    Point Guard-John Stockton
    Shooting Guard- Michael Jordan
    Small Forward-Kobe Bryant
    Power Forward-Karl Malone
    Center- Shaquille Oneal

  • B.C.

    He’s an idiot. NBA level of play in the 90′s was way higher than anything he experienced in the 60′s. Lol he was playing against whites who were like 5 foot 9. Logically tell me how Jerry West who has no handles or a crossover dribble could match up against a Magic Johnson or Derrick Rose? Or how could Oscar match up with Kobe or Jordan? Exactly they couldn’t they’d get slaughtered. NBA talent is so much more higher and ahead then anything Oscar Robertson ever saw on the court.

  • CCat44

    Think about it like this, you throw lebron, jordan or someone like derrick rose in the NBA in 1960, what would happen? It would undoubtedly be destruction. Athletes are just flat out better now a days. D-Rose d’ing up bob cousy full court? I don’t know how that could favor cousy. Would Jerry West get a shot off with mj in his prime playing d on him? yikes

  • Nicholas Asbury

    There is no way that they would be the 92 dream team.Wilt and Russell went up against who?Nobody until they played against each other.That is only 5 players(Big O,Jerry West,Russell,Wilt,Baylor).The 92 Roster was (Bird,Magic,MJ,Pippen,Drexler,Barkley,Mailman,Stockton,Admiral,Ewing,Mullin).No disrespect to the legends that started the league but,the competition wasnt as tuff,a bunch of average joes that could not check Wilt,thats how he scored 50.I could score 50 against my 9 year old son too,big deal.

  • Chitown

    The Big O must have been smoking something good if he thinks a team of 60′s and early 70′s players would have had any chance against the Dream Team. Jerry West was a good player but he only shot 50% from the field once in his career. MJ shot 50% or higher from the field 6 times and would have had a career average of 50% if not for the last 2 years in Washington. Hakeem Olajuwan would have done everything Wilt did if he played in that era. Who would have stopped him from scoring?Nobody, that’s who. Bill Russell couldn’t stop Barkley. Russell was basically the Dennis Rodman of his time. He couldn’t score but has solid defense. Do you really think he could have stopped Barkley in his prime? There’s nobody in the history of basketball like Magic, and Clyde Drexler was MJ lite. I’ll stop there because O is way off base with that one.

  • Maniac

    Yeah I saw this article yesterday. Yo nbk I agree with you about 80% of the way. There’s some things that need to be clarified though. He only named 5 guys, even though those were unarguably 5 of the top 7 guys of all-time (throw Kareem & Doc in there) going into 1980. Looking at the Dream Team, what starting 5 would you put up against them? I say Magic, Mike, Scottie, Bird, & D-Rob. Those matchups are very interesting. In all honesty, while I am a firm believer that those guys back then can play today, there is no way in hell that they would win this game. Oscar & West are uber great, but West is 6’2, who is he going to guard? It is well documented that Baylor wasn’t a great defender and neither was Oscar (plus both are 6’5). Only two players on that team are taller than the Dream Team’s shortest player. Though Magic & Bird weren’t great on the ball, they were great team defenders. Add that to the two greatest perimeter defenders of all-time in Scottie and Mike and the Dream Team has a huge advantage. Russell isn’t a huge scoring threat, but he and Wilt would be great interior defenders, but D-Rob is an excellent inside defender as well. Wilt is the only matchup advantage that they would have. That isn’t enough. Rebounding and interior defense would be the only thing that keeps them in the game. I love Oscar’s competitiveness and he is dead serious, but they would get their a$$es handed to them. There is a reason that they don’t compare eras and that’s because the game evolves. Mad respect to the greatest of the 60s, but I’m sorry, they would lose that game.

  • Matt Park

    Anyone want to bet that Hakeem Olajuwon had better handles than John Hondo???

  • Maniac

    Even if Oscar is truly = Magic in terms of skills, Magic is too big and Oscar can’t guard him (though Magic couldn’t exactly guard smaller guards on-ball either). Jordan vs. West needs to comment. Elgin isn’t scoring a ton on Scottie and Elgin isn’t stopping him from scoring a decent amount either. Russell is the greatest defender ever (IN THE PAINT), Bird would bring him into uncharted territory and force him to become a perimeter defender (Russell could guard forwards back then so he would do decent on Bird, but he wouldn’t be able to sag off for help defense and leave Bird open). Like I said, Wilt has the advantage on D-Rob, but that isn’t nearly enough of an advantage to make up for everyone else.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    What don’t you agree with me about?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And if I had to only pick 5 dream teamers (specifically to match up), and they are all in their prime? Prolly the same lineup. Or I’d leave off Scottie and run Robinson and Ewing. Or if it’s the Dream team at the time, I’d go, Magic, Jordan, Pippen, Barkley, Robinson.

  • manu

    wilt is the best to ever play….people r dumb look at his pics he’s the strongest, most agile big to ever play he’d completely dominate today look it up read a book

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If being an amazing athlete is all it took then yes. Your right. But it isn’t

  • http://sfklf.com Jukai

    “It is well documented that Baylor wasn’t a great defender and neither was Oscar (plus both are 6’5)”
    This is complete crap. I can’t speak for Oscar, but I’ve read multiple sources that talk about Baylor’s great defense. If anything, his issue was that he was a ball stopper, Melo style. Talk about what you know.
    Anyway, just for fun, the 60s/70s team I’d put up against the dream team:
    Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Sam Jones, Dr. J, Rick Barry, Elgin Baylor, Elvin Hayes, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Walton… Hey, I don’t mind their chances!
    If we’re talking before 74 when Oscar played, you gotta take out Walton, Hayes, Dr. J, and Petey… then I guess you add Thurmond, Pettit, Cunningham and Cousy… eesh that team gets weaker.

  • robben

    Yeah but dr. Naismith>>>>> big O, Chamberlain Rusell at the same time. See? Everybody can come up with something ridiculous.

  • shutup

    people keep forgetting barkley lead that team in scoring, dude was a beast. even the advantage that people talk about wilt having is questionable, Robinson played both sides of the ball, the only player I ever saw kill him was Hakeem and thats quite possibly the best footwork at the center position EVER. also the centers Wilt were going up against werent even close strength wise to the centers on the dream team, you think Wilt would just be able to bully his way in to the post? not gonna happen

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    @nbk…I don’t know, if anything the game has become more and more simple over the years. He’s absolutely right, the primary play in most offenses is the high screen. I love watching older basketball games because you see so much passing and off ball movement……now the 92 Olympic team would eat their lunch in front of their faces, but I’d say they could take the 08 Olympic squad

  • Maniac

    Do you really want to go there with me? Talk about what I know? I am well educated in 60s basketball. I know exactly what I’m talking about. Baylor was not a great defender. Go back and re-read your “multiple sources”. SMH

  • Maniac

    And nbk we basically agree on everything. I just kind of felt that you were underestimating the older guys

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    It’s foolish and futile to sit there and compare old-school players to new school players. There’s a little something called evolution which leads to bigger, stronger, faster and smarter humans as time goes on.
    The Dream Team would probably win but it would be a close match. Remember Dr.J, Walton, KAJ, RBarry, Frazier, and Maravich all played during the 70s along with cats from the 60s West/Oscar/Wilt/Baylor/Russell. That team would be a tough out for any opponent.

  • Bt

    The people saying russel what anchor the defence realize he was the size of Kevin Durant right? the old timers would get crushed

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    If people are gonna add players to the ’74 team that were young and before their prime like dr. j and walton, I will add Shaq to the ’92 team and this conversation will officially be over! Have a good night everyone, there is nothing left to see here.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh word

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Well, Wilt is on that roster and we all know Wilt is better than Shaq.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk, Oscar shot better than 50% from the field 3 times and 48.5% for his career. That’s better than a majority of so-called superstar perimeter players walking around today.

  • Vince5

    The ’92 players were much bigger and stronger. Try stopping Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing and Karl Malone at the same time on the floor. Plus, having Magic at the point you have the height advantage. You also have Pippen, Jordan and Stockton for perimeter defense. In a clutch game situation, you have Jordan, Bird and Magic, ’nuff said.

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    Mr. Triple Double has clout… most of you have none. (besides here) …To say the old timers have no chance is like saying Barry Sanders wouldn’t still cut people up of Jim Brown couldn’t still take it to the house. Like Ted Williams couldn’t still bat like .340 or whatever or Babe Ruth wouldn’t be able to hit 40 homers a year. Players come and go but the game remains the same. Wilt and Big O will ALWAYS get theirs, any era. Russ would STILL change the game, every game. Baylor is still a top 5 wing all time (Jordan, Kobe, Dr. J, LeBron, Baylor) <—- can't wait for ppl to hate on that one. Jerry West isn't just as good as John Stockton was? Tough call guys.

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    *or Jim Brown

  • shutup

    weezy you do realize football hasnt changed much since sanders played and baseball even less. Basketball has changed leaps and bounds compared to the other sports you mentioned. never said the game wouldnt be competitive, just cant see the old timers match up with the versatility of the 92 team, also the 92 team was a proven commodity; how the old timers would play together is questionable, could russel and wilt share the lane? could big O defer to West? also the fact that there would be a 3 point line is big stockton, mullin and bird were lights out from the long 3-point line, just too many variables to just say these old-timers would wipe the floor with them

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    oh yea I hear that, they definately wouldn’t wipe the floor with them and honestly I don’t see them beating the Dream Team per say. But it’s impossible to completely count them out. West had just as much range as anybody. I mean you got Cousy, Bob Petit, Jerry Lucas, Earl the Pearl, Lenny Wilkens, Havlicek, Nate Thurmond even possibly Kareem coming off the bench that team is just as deep.

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    excuse me… Lew Alcindor

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    I mean with all do respect we’re not talking about George Mikan here. 60′s and 70′s was one era before the 80′s 90′s….

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Weezy, I salute you. Seems like you’re the only one on here that still respects old school greats.

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    And isn’t that the whole point? it was a Dream to be able to truly put our very BEST American players in the Olympics on the same team. They weren’t only a Dream Team because older generations of NBA players weren’t just as good. They just never had that opportunity.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oscar said “they wouldn’t lose. How could they?” – I never said the dream team would just wipe the floor with them or anything like that. They are just the better team. For Oscar to act like it wouldn’t even be a contest is absurd and false. It shows his age – and illustrates a basic human trait, everything/one was better in our respective “hey-day” – JTaylor, we aren’t talking about “so-called superstars today” we are talkig about Oscar Robertson, in the 60s and 70s against horrid defenses, shooting under 50%. Compared to say Michael Jordan, and his ridiculous efficiency in a much stronger defensive era. It’s whatever though, nobody knows for sure. I just think what Big O said is absurd, like they were somehow ultra advanced compare to those who played 40 years later in a much much much further evolved and more global era in the sport.

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  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    WTF. I typed out a long a** reply and it isn’t showing up. Bet this nonsense shows up.

  • http://sfklf.com Jukai

    Also, Oscar is being a bit unfair here… he’s saying “the best of the 60s and 70s”
    The Dream Team was “the best of 1992 minus Isiah Thomas.”
    Kindaaaa unfair, if you think about it.

  • shutup

    Oscar said they would wipe the floor with them, its in the article. I think it would be an epic battle but the Dream Team also had the advantage of seeing these guys play and adapting it into their game, your talking about 2-3 generational gap (if Doc followed O and MJ followed Doc)also the change that the game went from being played under the rim to over the rim, we take it for granted but it would play a significant role in determining a winner, its part of what made O great and Doc an Icon and MJ his airness @jtaylor look through your comment by hitting back and edit any curses or such.

  • BBaller

    Any person who claims to have watched those old guys live here are lying out of their old, computer illiterate a holes. So we can never really compare the eras even in the slightest. It’s all speculation.

  • Lloyd

    Watch Wilt Chamberlain highlights. Dude was dominant…against 0 defense. Defense in the 80s and 90s was the best in NBA history I think. The players were very athletic and they were allowed to be very physical. Them old cats would have been shut down. Respect to what they did in their time, but the game, and players have evolved since then. Just saying that Dwight would dominate Wilt defensively.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’ve seen quite a bit of footage. ESPN Classic was my favorite channel growing up.

  • BBaller

    Sorry but Wilt = D.Howard, no real other big men to compete against, more powerful than the opposition.The 90s is where the battle of the big men era belonged, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, D-Rob, Mutumbo, Alonzo. To be the best you have to play the best.Dwight would have scored 100 back then. That being said i rank Kareem Abdul Jabaar as the best C ever.
    Height, power,hands,defense,skill, footwork,speed, IQ,leadership,post moves,touch and a decent shot.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Dude just said that we can not compare eras then turns right around and compares Wilt to DHoward. Umm….what?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    As is such, Chamberlain is overrated. Always has been…
    Shaq was better.
    Olajuwon was better.
    Robinson was better.
    Kareem is the greatest center of all time.
    And quite possibly, the greatest player who has ever played in the NBA.

  • BBaller

    @JTaylor yeah you called me on that, but i was more referencing towards physical stature and lack of position competition not so much as the particulars of their games. ie footwork, post moves, scoring abilities.

  • BBaller

    For sake of all BBall players you would hope, they as players, are improving over time. Learning from past players etc

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Philo, you done lost your damn mind with that one.

  • BBaller

    You may not be able to compare Wilt v Hakeem, Wilt v D-Rob but there is conceivable evidence that if for example Hakeem played in the 60s or 70s he would have produced similar stats that Wilt did.

  • Justin G.

    This isn’t surprising. As others have said, old timers are always going to say there generation was better but the plain and simple truth is that the older guys would get it handed to them just like every other team did. Maybe Wilt gets his (maybe 30) but it’s going to be a lot harder for him with Robinson and Ewing playing him. Two strong guys that aren’t going to get backed down and are going to throw that weak finger roll sh*t into the fifth row. If we’re talking about these guys all playing while in their prime it’s really not that close. If we’re not, Bird doesn’t factor here at all. He was injured and more on the team because of what he had done in the past than for what he was doing at the time. Magic would be too big for West, Michael would be too much Michael for anyone, Scottie and Michael would lock up anyone on the perimiter…I’ll say ’92 team by 15

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Keep tellin’ y’all Wilt’s overrated…

  • lisa

    I have to agree with Philo on this one… Wilt is a little overrated. Anyways, it would be awesome to see this game but.. It is pointless to argue over who would win. Ofcourse the Dream Team would win, not by much though. Final score: 80-70 MVP: Kareem or MJ….. Fair enough?

  • BBaller

    @ lisa I see your score prediction would imply a high level of defense, a very astute analysis,well done! I too agree with Philo(but stop the Long..Live..the..King posts ever other day )Points would be hard to come by, considering the high talent levels on each team.. their respective coaches would play a major role. Still 92 is the most complete sports “TEAM” ever assembled, absolutely zero weaknesses.

  • http://Www.casbaentertainment.com NSChi

    I talked to my pops about a similar topic years ago. He was born in the 50′s and watched all of these guys play. He broke it down like this. Wilt scored the way he did because of 2-3 reasons. 1 Wilt could stand right under the basket as long as he wanted to on D-Fense with no 3 sec call. 2 He could back down an opponent (normally 6 inches shorter, 30-50 lbs lighter) on offense with no shot clock, no charge calls, and no 3 sec. 3 the level of competition was not as high as it was by the time the late 70′s early 80′s arrived because the game because wasn’t as nationally popular in the 60′s and early 70′s so many of the players hadn’t dedicated the same amount of time to developing themselves like later players. Please remember the league was also smaller as well. The rules would be the biggest factor as would the officiating. How effective is Wilt with the limitation of 3 seconds, charges, 24 clock and illegal defense? Now how effective would Magic be with no shot clock? How vise grip would Scottie, MJ and The Admiral be with no illegal defense? Also, clearly Oscar is talking about his guys being in their prime so how dangerous would it be to give Bird of 92 his prime form as well?

  • http://www.andywhitby.com Andy Whitby

    I co-sign everything NBK writes here – this is just crazy talk – the defense back in those days was absolutely shocking, just imagine what a prime-Jordan would have done to them. I’d even go as far to say Ewing would have held his own very well against Wilt; the speed, strength and knowledge of players had increased so much by the time the Dream Team smashed through everyone.

  • Sean B

    The 1960′s is one of the more overrated eras in professional basketball. The statistics garnered in that era have to be taken with a grain of salt, mainly due to the ridiculous pace of play. Also, defense really was not as specialized as it is today’s game. There is no question that today’s NBA coaches are much better at preparing defenses than those of the 60′s.

    By the way, Oscar Robertson is a clown. Has anyone ever read his autobiography? He’s one of the more bitter, condescending ex athletes I can remember. Every thing he achieved came with some sort of racial slight, and then each time he was not successful he somehow found a way to place the blame on others. He is a clown.

  • Madterps

    Hakeem would kill most of the centre of that generation, look at what he did to a young Shaq, Robinson and Ewing. It’s not even funny how much time Wilt spent planting himself in the paint, he would’ve been called for offensive 3 seconds and his turnover ratio would be sky high. It’s also funny that Wilt was the only centre that was 7’1 that generation, everyone else was like 5 inches shorter. The Dream Team would’ve ran the Big O and their generations off the floor with their athleticism.

  • coachp

    The main reason that they could NOT beat the 92 Dream Team:
    A 28 Year old Michael Jeffrey Jordan

  • roman

    Boy, when you get old, you really get delirious. They wouldnt stand a chance against the dream team!!!!!!!

  • Zabbah

    Man, if we compare penis sizes, 92 Dream Team wins. Too many big dudes. Alas, it’s only about basketball.

  • jimmer

    The only argument is Wilt and Russell in the middle. But I would ask the Big O what the freakin’ h*ll David Robinson would have done to 1960′s/70′s defenses, or their offenses, to be honest. (20-25 boards, 7 blocks likely not out of the question, and he would have left Wilt for dust in a foot race) Oscar could not have stopped Magic. You would have to put Baylor on Jordan to stop him destroying you to pieces, which leaves jerry west on Larry Bird?! Or put Russell on Bird, which leaves you with west marking Barkley or Malone?? This is nonsense. absolute nonsense.

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    coachp FTW!

  • shutup

    @jimmer your wrong about Drob beating wilt in a foot race, Wilt was a track star, and as good as Drob was he was never the fastest center in the league.

  • jimmer

    jessie owens was a track star too, but i don’t think he’d give usain bolt much to worry about. Drob was flat out one of the fastest big men ever to play, end to end. It probably doesnt matter, because they could both cover the court in about 3 strides; my point is, Robinson was a monstrous athlete, put him in wilts era, and we’re talking about the ‘Goliath that was Robinson, averaged 55 a game that one year’, etc etc, same goes for shaq, hakeem, probably Ewing, Dwight Howard, usw. But dwight, shaq and hakeem weren’t on the DT, and Robinson was better than Ewing, so I picked Robinson.

  • SKD

    Some of you need to learn your history, for one the pace of the game back then was so much faster. Thats why rebounding numbers are out of wack. If you ever watched a game from the 60/70 era(before the 3pt line) it was all about working the ball down low. With no 3 point line to keep defenses honest they all collasped the paint. So spreading the floor and throwing it to your center was the easiest way to score. The Big O is a hall of famer for a reason, he was really the first guy to dominate the game as a guard, a big guard at that. He didnt just avg a triple double one year, he avg it for his first FIVE years. The three point line is really what changed the NBA and made it a more perimeter game. To say the 60′s team would have had the floor wiped with them is asinine. To say the Dream Team would have gotten smoked is equally so. The best players could have played in any era. To me the difference is Wilt, you guys dont understand Wilt was 7 foot 1. 275 lbs. And had more skill with the ball around the basket than anyone currently in the league today. The 50 point year is because the lane was 4 feet skinnier than it is now, they changed it that off season and he was still avg like 35 and 17. Jerry West and Oscar could pull up off the dribble and hit from ANYWHERE, them two with a 3pt line?? Along with Pistol Pete?? Plz. The Big O was 6’5 225 and faster and quicker than almost everyone out there.

  • SKD

    And i aint even gotten to Kareem yet. The Dream Team with Shaq instead of Christian Lattner would have been able to compete inside but Robinson and Hakeem…nah

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    First of all, you don’t even know who was on the dream team. (Hakeem, not on the team) And you have almost no sense of when these players actually played. Pete Maravich came into the NBA when Oscar was 32. The Big O was 6’5 225 and faster and quicker then almost everyone…..in the 60s and 70s. You know how many teams were even in the league for the majority of Oscar Robertson’s career? I bet you don’t have any clue. THe answer is 9. There were a grand total of 9 teams. Pretty easy to dominate the same 9 teams over and over again or 82 games. It’s also easy to look like a super athletically advanced monster in those years. Are you aware that the VAST MAJORITY of NBA players before the mid-late 70s had off-season jobs? There was no training like there is today. Wilt looked like an extra skilled sooper giant human being because he was an olympic level athlete playing against guys who worked at Gas Stations in the off-season. And Oscar Robertson would not have been a threat from the modern 3pt line. He was not a spot up shooter / jumper shooter in any sense of the word. He was a huge guard who backed his opponent to about 15 feet and did his damage from there.

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  • Kadavour

    LOL, this is a joke. Wilt is the only ATHLETE of that era who could compete in today’s game, but he couldn’t do so skill-wise. do you see clips of him going left but finishing right-handed? it’s ugly. what part of Jerry West could handle ANYTHING MJ decides to throw at him? Does anyone REALLY think Jerry West, the guy who is supposed to be your slasher, (the athletic equal of Steve Kerr) could get buckets on Money? HA!

  • davidR

    i don’t buy this athlete talk. i don’t know how smart oscar and the other 60s/70s players were when it comes to hoop iq, but i’m just saying: the game is as much mental as it is physical.
    just cuz they can’t match up physically and athletically, doesn’t automatically count them out.

  • http://facebook.com/tronjohnson Chief

    @philosopher is explaining the main weakness of this team facing the 92 dream team. Wilt is mad overrated. I feel like anyone who is comparing these eras hasn’t read the Book of Basketball. And acknowledging the fact that the 92 team wouldn’t even need a timeout to wrap up this team. Defensively none of these 60′s era players can cover the whole floor as well as the dream team. Nevermind that they can’t stop the starting line, what do they do when Chuck steps on the floor? They have no answer for Mike and with Bird and Magic there directing the offense the 60′s guys cannot dictate what to allow. Also Wilt is being highly overrated here again. The dream team has more rings combined than almost anyone except for Bill. It’s a wrap.However the Big O is psycho thinking he could win it all. That’s why he’s the Big O.

  • http://facebook.com/tronjohnson Chief

    And too the dude’s doubting Hakeem, who won when Mike was gone? It wasn’t shaq. It was Hakeem and Kenny Smith with emphasis on Hakeem. His footwork alone would shake Bill and Wilt would give up like he always did. Just like Shaq met his match in the post(so did the Admiral DPOY btw)so would the old men. Do some research, get of Bron’s wagon and quit posting outrageous comments like “Robinson and Hakeem nah”. It shows you know absolutly nothing about the history of the game.

  • Justin G.

    Chief, perhaps YOU need to do some research. I’ll say it in Caps Lock because you obviously missed out nbk pointing it out already. HAKEEM DIDN’T PLAY ON THE ’92 DREAM TEAM!!!

  • jimmer

    Yeah, Hakeem didn’t get U.S citizenship til ’95. Sorry dude.

  • http://facebook.com/tronjohnson Chief

    That is correct I was more incensed about the Hakeem and Robinson nah line then if he was actually on the team. I feel that Hakeem is undervalued by the current generation of NBA fans as he was one of the best big men ever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/agrapsas Andreas Grapsas

    totally disagree…first of all it’s so stupid and unfair to compare playersfrom so diffenrent eras based on athletisim.i am 100% sure that athletic(in their era-60′s)players like wilt,russell,elgin,oscar,thurmond,bellamy,gus johnson…would be like todays lebron,dwight,kobe…with today’s training technic,nutriens-steroids…wilt was 280-300 lb and lift more than 500 lb while dwight doe n’t more than 400,wilt also was champion when was young in hihg jumping.there are also videos in youtube that show there were many thletic players back then.u should also consider that nba mesure players barefoot until 80′s,that means osacr would be 6.6 today!as concern 3pt line,all it’s a matter of training,players with the talent of oscar,west,baylor were great shooters to.in general i think every great player of each era would dominate every era with the conditions of that era.