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Tuesday, February 14th, 2012 at 10:10 am  |  113 responses

LeBron James Had a Remarkable Game in Milwaukee


The Milwaukee Bucks were victimized by LeBron James last night; the Miami Heat superstar registered what was (statistically-speaking) one of the greatest games of his NBA career. Per ESPN: “LeBron James has played more than 800 preseason, regular-season and playoff games in his NBA career, scoring in excess of 18,000 points if you pile them all together. Never has he played a game like Monday night. Unlike many of his great games, though, this was subtle. But that did not make it unimpressive. He had four dunks in the Heat’s 114-96 victory, breaking a three-game Miami losing streak to the Milwaukee Bucks that dated to last year and stuck out like a neon sign on their record this season. The dunks, however, were not the show. Not even the one when he went from outside the 3-point line to the rim in one dribble thanks to a split double team, a long stride and a 13-foot leap. It bent the traveling rules but didn’t break them, believe it or not. No, James’ dominance came with his decision-making and his endless execution. He took 21 shots. He made 16. One of them, just one, was outside 15 feet from the rim. That one was from 18 feet and it came on his 20th shot of the night. You can go back and look at the film of those 800 games, but it’ll be a waste of time. There hasn’t been anything else like it. James killed the Bucks for 35 points in just 33 minutes on the floor and all of it came on relentless interior play. None of them will make the highlights like that long-range dunk. James just made shot after shot after shot from the post and from mid-range. ‘How can you guard me when I’m playing like that?’ James said afterwards, repeating a question. ‘You can’t, I don’t think.’”

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  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’ve been begging for this cat to get his a** down on the block and it looks like he finally listened. When he plays like he did last night, MIA looks damn near unbeatable.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    It was a remarakable performance. But not his greatest. His greatest performance to date has to be game 5 of the ’07 playoffs v Detroit. He is due a ring very soon. Most likely this coming June.

  • Shem

    That’s how you use him 2k and that’s how he should play in real life.

  • Max

    @GP23 That was not his best game…if Flip Saunders would have just let his team double-team him,no way the Cavs win the game/series…plus the ref decisions.Frustrated Pistons Fan says: You’re welcome

  • AD

    haters have nothing to say lol….. if Lbj had a bad game…. this post will have way more coments

  • roy

    Nothing Lebron does in the regular season surprises me, everything he does in the Finals makes me want to throw the remote through the television screen. Get it done when it matters Bron Bron….

  • 130623

    @Roy, your totally right, I’m a big lebron fan, and he’s always great in season and last year he was very impressive in the play offs, just needs to bring this type of play to the finals if the heat get there

  • robb

    @roy exactly. Let’s see if this is finally the year of Lebron.

  • timboslice

    i know the lebron nut huggers are gunna hate on this but….. how can you actually say in print that wasnt a travel. 1 dribble…five steps

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    y do you think he traveled? You can take as many steps as you want during a dribble.

  • Jono

    That’s right LeBron! Reclaim another MVP title, last year’s was stolen away from you due to haters (partly your fault though).

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    LeBron is going to collect regular season MVP’s, not rings.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    This summer Lebron get’s a ring.

  • MUBWAR

    he should grab regular season MVP and Finals MVP and no one is gonna say anything about it. Last season wade was his competition. this season he stepped aside n let the king reign. If he just needs closing give it to number 3 and ur fine

  • MKP

    800 preseaon games? WTF? Typo?

  • MKP

    Nevermind, I need to read sentence more clearly.

  • quest

    lebron didnt travel on that dunk he didnt have the ball and once he got it he took two steps on tons of other moves he carried and walked but not that dunk check your rulebook

  • AQWORD

    & S.T.F.U…….. NEXT !!!!!

  • 23

    amazing, this dude is the best in the league. clearly. he is one of the best passers, mid range shooters, defensive players, and rebounds great for his position. if he can become one of the better post players then that will just be unfair.

  • AQWORD

    :-)

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHoliday

    @timboslice, Lebrons dunk was definitely NOT a travel! Just a great move from a great athlete. Lebron balled out last night. Regular season or not, gotta give credit when credit is due. If Jeremy Lin puts up these same stats tonight, he’d lead the MVP Race by tomorrow afternoon.

  • Brion

    Just cuz im in the mood to stir sh*it up….Kobe could drob 35 any night…..WITH 40 ATTEMPTS!!!

  • AD

    ^^lol you right tho

  • silebyboy

    @MKP, 800 preseason, regular season and playoff games combined is what it says.

  • bike

    LeBron has the potential to be the G.O.A.T.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    He’ll never be as good as Jeff, Earvin, or Larry.
    Kareem, either.
    BUT, he is definitely the best since Jordan.
    In my humble opinion.
    I already know that many people think that Kobe Bryant is the best since Jordan.
    Great topic for debate.

  • RoseOnYouHoes

    Stop bringing up the name of Michael Jordan around these lowly classed peasants. Neither Kobe or LBJ are in his class nor will they ever be, it’s a pointless argument.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Bike… ughh… never mind…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    why do you always say that Lakeshow?

  • 23

    players are better nowadays. in the future there will be players that are better than lebron. its evolution. humans get bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. just facts. put lebron in a time machine and send him back 30 years and he would dominate in an unimaginable fashion. send 95′ jordan back to the 60s and he would dominate moreso than in the nineties. players always get better and better. hell, send andre iguodala back to the 70s and he would be a monster. all we can realistically do is debate the best players currently in the league. we cant debate players from different eras because athletes are constantly evolving. send dwight to the 50s and he would push chamberlain around and make him look shawn bradley-esque. players didnt even lift weights back then. but imo you can always debate skills

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    actually humans haven’t physically changed in thousands of years. – society has.

  • bike

    I say potential. That doesn’t mean he will be the greatest. His combination of size, athletic ability, and complete basketball skill set is very unique—really can’t think of any player in history that has that. He is often compared to Magic but LeBron is a better offensive player than Magic was (not a better playmaker though).
    However, a lot has to happen in the next three years for LeBron to be considered the very best. Obviously, he needs to start accruing rings. What LeBron does not have, and may never have simply because of his personality, is the insane competitiveness that MJ and Kobe had/have. I have no doubt that LeBron works hard on his game, but does he go at it with singular drive that MJ and Kobe did with the objective of being the best?

  • bull22

    @ad, me being one of the biggest anti-lebron people on here, number one its the milwaukee bucks for crying outloud and can’t still figure out how these miami lost three straight to miami. number two, even if he gets a ring he will never receive the same respect as MJ,KAREEM,TD and other cats who did not cry about teaming up with other all-stars. number 3, the fact that they did not win the nba title last year together like the celtics did with their big three in 2008 has taken away from their interest and their thunder so basically most of us heat haters had our fun last year when those arrogant bums lost, LOL!

  • bike

    @23. The reason today’s players are bigger, stronger, and faster is due to more emphasis on training, especially weight training, and better nutrition. Not evolution. Most NBA players now days undergo very strenuous workout regimes often supervised by world-class trainers. And as the years go by, more and more advances are made in training and nutrition.
    Hell, the 60’s Celtics were known to smoke cigarettes at halftime! Can you believe that?

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    @nbk and 23
    diet ,training methods and medical advancements have changed a lot the last decades that makes the players more athletic.Even in the 80s most players didnt even hit the gym.Humans cant evolve in a couple of decades.
    Ontopic:
    i hope lebron keeps playing like this the more games he plays like this the more confident he will get in the finals. But they still have to make the finals.
    Iam a lebron fan to long to know for sure he is getting his ring

  • silebyboy

    @23, that was probably the dumbest post I have ever read on any message board, ever. The part about Dwight dominating Chamberlain was particularly idiotic.

    Also do you realise that the evolution process takes place over millions of years, not over a couple of decades. Moron.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Because there is absolutely ZERO chance of that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    at this age there was ZERO chance of that for Jordan too…..

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    & Training methods, focus on nutrition, that would be part of society.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    cosign bike he worded my thoughts more accuratly then iam able to. Funny fact about the 60s celtics. My countrys most famous soccer player Johan Cruijff used to bum cigarets from his team mates around the 70s. Also a couple of top soccer players still smoke to this day. Lol dont know if anybody in the nba is still smoking cigaretes. I know some smoke weed in the offseason.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    nbk going in…

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Vlade Divac was smoking cigarettes.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Not true. Maybe to some, but not to certain people that could see what MJ had. MJ was always a killer. You knew if the stars aligned for him he could be GOAT. Bike touched upon why LBJ can’t be GOAT in his 1:34 post. He isn’t going to all the sudden change his mindset for the last portion of his career. He is who he is. Which is one of the greatest players of all time. A top 15 talent when it’s all over with. But in no way exemplifies the GOAT.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sounds like an excuse. Popular perception was he could never win as a dominant scorer. Just like popular perception is that LeBron isn’t enough of a “killer” to be GOAT. Do I think LeBron will be the GOAT? Hell no. But I’m not goin to say it can’t happen, that’s just false.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Like you realize LeBron is having the best season since the merger, of anyone ever? Right?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    nbk & LakeShow with consecutive gems.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, let me ask you a question. Does Kobe still have a chance at being the GOAT?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Well then were on the same page. Does he possess the skills? Talent? Work ethic? Yes. He is a phenomenal talent. He is a mix of Money and Magic. Kobe has more right to the GOAT claim than LBJ and we all know that you both would dismiss KB from that convo immediately so I don’t want to hear anything about LBJ being something that KB is closer to yet not even close to at all.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Not really JTaylor. If you go off of nbk’s way of thinking though, then yes he does. But in a realistic way of thinking, no chance in freezing hell.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Neither have them have any claim. This is a conversation about potential.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    My way of thinking? What does that mean? You know Michael was 27 when he won his first title right? You know LeBron turned 27 in December right? My way of thinking is that history can repeat itself. It’s that simple.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    nbk is winning this debate.
    Sorry if I’m being “that dude”.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    AHERM D. Rose=Goat. *exits*

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    LeBron just entered his prime while Kobe’s at the end of his, so LeBron still has 7-8 more years to polish his legacy. Now, I’m not saying that he will be the GOAT but people can not just dismiss him and say he will never ever be the GOAT. No one knows what dude can achieve the next few years, let’s at least wait until he’s 14-15yrs in the L before we start all the GOAT talk.
    Oh…by the way, KAJ is the GOAT.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’ll be brave. LBJ will not be GOAT. Neither will Kobe. Or D.Rose or Durant or anyone in the L right now. MJ is the GOAT. Most likely always will be.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    Funny, I can’t say I’ve watch many of games prior to him joining the Heat, but I was thinking last night while watching: “Damn, I’m glad he’s on my team and we’re not playing him.” He looked so confident and effortless. It was beautiful to watch.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nothing is written in stone.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Agreed Taylor which is why Kobe can still be GOAT. Right? …

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’ll be brave to. The sun will come up tomorrow

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Michael Jordan became who he was not only due to his talent and desire, but also because of his immaculate timing. He arrived on the scene when sports media and marketing were still in their developmental stages, and used his business acumen to establish himself as a force in the market. This was on top of being the best basketball player on the planet. There will never be another MJ, because not only would a player have to match his on court accomplishments, they would also have to completely revolutionize the way the sport is viewed and marketed. Its tough to be the guy who has to follow that act.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    ^ That’s why he will always be the GOAT.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Agreed GP23.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Magic is G.O.A.T.
    E.J. “The Deejay”.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Na, I’m sure another will come. O wait D. Rose is already playing? Nvm, lol jk but eventually another will come who will match the allure Jordan created.

  • bike

    Remember, how he got his points last night. Superior interior play. He is adding another dimension to his game. That suggests he does listen to the critics.

  • robb

    We can discuss that GOAT stuff all week, but it’s just speculative. He’ll have to wait until Lebron retires, meanwhile we should just enjoy Kobe’s last years and Lebron’s prime.

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    16-21? has kobe ever missed only 5 shots in a game? lol

  • robb

    Personally I agree with GP23. Jordan’s legacy was and still is too great. Maybe there will be a better basketball player than him, but MJ is more than a basketball player and what he left won’t be matched. It’s just not possible.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I’ll say this;
    If a player comes along that will “re”-revolutionize the game, it will be like, a center who is 7’5″, 350lbs. of pure athleticism, and skill to match.
    He’ll be like a cyborg, or something. He won’t be some small guard.

  • robb

    ^^^^ it’s not JaVale McGee then??? damn.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^lol

  • bike

    And to add to what Phil said about the 7’5″ 305 lb athletic freak that will revolutionize the game – it will be a transsexual.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^^LOL!

  • Mooney10

    Who ever said Howard would push Chamberlain around is smoking whatever Whitney was… Too soon? Camberlain will never be touched as a center in this League, I’m 23 and I know better come on!! The Jordan debate really? Let’s just end it, no one can touch MJ on any level in any era period!

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^Wilt’s overrated…

  • Paul H

    @JoeyE Kobe went 20-26 from the field In a game against Houston In 2001. I actually find that a more impressive performance.

  • Paul H
  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Selling countless sneaks and appearing in hundereds of commercials doesn’t make you the GOAT, sorry. KAJ accomplished more in HS, College, and Pros than MJ…so he has as much right as anyone to be labeled the GOAT.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Yeah, but it’s MJ.

  • robb

    it’s not selling countless sneaks, it’s revolutionizing a whole industry, influencing the culture of an entire country, and singlehandedly making the NBA worldwide popular back when the Internet didn’t even exist.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6lqqc4t nbk

    nobody will ever match Jordan’s impact. But that doesn’t have any effect on his status as GOAT.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    the goat is also some what of a generational thing. Most of us were childeren or young adults when jordan played. Probably no one has ever seen wilt or russell play (iam assuming now) but some old people will probably still say russell or wilt was the goat. I have only seen some extremely grainy footage of them play and it was on youtube so i had to figure out what abstract shape wilt or russell was. The generation thats born now will grow up seeing lebron durant rose or the next superstar play. And form there own opinion, in 20 years we will show them vhs quality footage of jordan. And convince our childeren jordan is the goat. And they will dismiss us saying player x is the goat.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6lqqc4t nbk

    Anyone that says Russell is the GOAT doesn’t really get an argument from me. Depends what you value. And from what I’ve seen and read about Russell, he was something else, some other force of winning that hasn’t really been experienced since. Jordan was basically the selfish, guard version of Russell. LeBron seems to be the wing version of Wilt. Which is why I personally don’t think he will ever truly reach his potential.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Magic and Bird revolutionized the game just as much as MJ, does that also make either one the GOAT?

  • robb

    Magic? yes

  • bike

    It does seem logical in any discussion of who may be the GOAT to evaluate the player’s contribution to the game—in terms of firsts. Russell introduced the importance of defense and team play. KAJ introduced the concept of a dominant big man who had versatility never seen before. Magic was the first 6’9” player who could play point guard better than anyone else at the time. Jordan not only displayed unprecedented basketball skills and athletic ability he was the first ‘non-big’ man that could dominate a game.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Any debate where people think Lebron has a chance to be GOAT is straight stupid. He has lost 2 NBA Finals already and left his team to play with another superstar who already won a ring for the city as the Man. Wade will not let Lebron get NBA Finals MVP, if they win together. Mark my words, Wade was winning last year if Heat won. Lebron is a stat guy, but in the 4th qtr of a tight game he does disappear, but if his team is winning he is a frontrunner to do great things. Wade has a better career than Lebron in my opinion right now, with Rose and Durant pulling at Lebron ankles. BOOK IT!!

  • shutup

    I think Mikan introduced the concept of a dominant bigman, he was a great scorer and passer and a consummate winner. Other than that I think Magic and Kareem being on the same team sorta hurt their argument for GOAT, and Russell had many HOF teammates as well, and as he was the anchor of the team defensively he was never the best scorer on the team, so I think his lack of scoring hurts his argument, although I will say he is the greatest winner the league has ever seen. Jordan may not have started the revolution but he is and was the best to do it, he played both sides of the ball not only putting up the greatest per game avg the league has ever seen over a career but he also was 1st team all defense for the majority of his career, couple that with the fact that he was undeniably the reason the Bulls won the six chips that they did, as was evident in his 6 Finals MVPs

  • rand33p

    The Seed got it right … lebron will be an all time great but Wade is the go to guy on that team in the clutch.. not comfortable saying he has goat potential if that remains the case

  • rand33p

    …. and before you talk about Bron becoming the GOAT how about if he can ever match Kobe? … he has a LONGGGGGGGG way to go

  • rand33p

    Jordan > Kobe > ……………………. Lebron

  • http://anyoldthing Ugh

    He plays one inside game against Drew Gooden and ESPN writes up this piece of gushing fawnication*. Utterly ridiculous.
    (* Not a real word.)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Who is the only cat in League history to rank 2nd in career MVP award shares, 2nd in career games played, 1st in minutes played, 1st in career FGs made, 12th in career FG%, 8th in career FTs made, 5th in career FTs attempted, 3rd in career rebounds, 35th in career assists, 3rd in career blocks, 1st in career points, 1st in career offensive win-shares, 2nd in career defensive win-shares, and 1st in career win-shares.
    Now if this cat isn’t the GOAT…I don’t know who is.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Eff what y’all heard. Jesse Dunn is the greatest player. Ever. In one summer run against various NBA pros, he made 45-46 shots, many around and beyond the half court line. Never played a game in college or the pros. Ask Lang. He’ll tell ya.

  • shutup

    Many people dont even consider KAJ the greatest Laker of all time how can he be the greatest ever? heres a good comparison I found—- “Titles – MJ (6/6) vs KAJ (6/10) Advantage – Jordan, perfect 6 for 6 in the Finals
    MVP – MJ (5) vs KAJ (6) Advantage – Kareem
    Finals MVP – MJ (6) vs KAJ (2) Advantage – Jordan
    Defensive POY – MJ (1) vs KAJ (0) Advantage – Jordan
    All NBA 1st team – MJ (10) vs KAJ (10) TIE
    All Defensive 1st team – MJ (9) vs KAJ (5) Advantage – Jordan
    Scoring titles – MJ (10) vs KAJ (2) Advantage – Jordan
    Career ppg – MJ (30.1) vs KAJ (24.6) Advantage – Jordan
    Playoff ppg – MJ (33.4) vs KAJ (24.3) Advantage – Jordan
    Career playoff leader in points – MJ (5987/179 games) vs KAJ (5762/237 games) Advantage – Jordan
    PER – MJ (27.9) vs KAJ (24.6) Advantage – Jordan
    Win shares – MJ (214) vs KAJ (273.4) Advantage – Kareem
    Total career points – MJ (32,292) vs KAJ (38,387) Advantage – Kareem
    Lastly, according to basketball reference, Jordan is number one in MVP award shares. The gap between him and Jabbar is big.” The numbers speak for themselves.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You do know that he wasn’t a laker for his entire career, right?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t think DPOY existed when Kareem was in his prime

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And nick that jesse dunn story is an exaggeration in the least. If not complete fiction. But it was a great story.

  • shutup

    Yes I do, but if you wanna list how many of those stats he achieved as a Buck, go ahead. and DPOY was given out since 1982 KAJ retired in ’89 and one of his teammates actual won it -Michael Cooper in 86-87

  • http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/steve_aschburner/02/14/trades-and-rumors/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1 shutup

    @NBK there was an interesting article on NBA.com about KAJ’s trade request it was a good read, click the name homie, channeling my inner chulo, put your elbows up!!!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah Kareem handled his trade request a lot better —-
    Kareem was 34 and already 13 years into his career by 82

  • hugo

    i just wanted to comment on what 23 posted earlier. it is evolution, but not of mankind obviously. its the evolution of the sport. imo there is no other sport in which the talent level has risen as much over the last 30 years. players like iggy and joe johnson would mos def run sh=t in the 70s. The knowledge that young ppl get get from watching athletes play at their highest levels is vital for the evolution of the game. If you see kob play it resembles MJ bad. you can also see that hes taken all of MJs moves and added a bit of his own (ie footwork, off the glass type ish) I dont think that anyone will ever be greater than mj cause of all his accomplishments, but i definitely think that LBJ is more talented and has the potential to be the goat, simply cause he embodies more skills physical gifts.

  • shutup

    But he won 4 more championships including ’82, I dont think you could label him as past his prime and then give him credit for the championships, thats how Magic detracts from him being the GOAT. And even if you throw out DPOY MJ was 1st team all defense 9 times to KAJ’s 5. Also His numbers didnt start to really decline until 86-87 he actually had one of his highest scoring years in LA in 85-86. Looking at his stats he probably woulda won DPOY in 75-76 if the award was around; he led the league in total rebounds and blocks but that year he didnt even make 1st team all defense. Also Jordan won DPOY and lead the league in scoring with 35 ppg. Its arguable that Kareem is the best center ever, Wilts numbers smash his scoring wise for 7 years straight wilt avg more than 33 ppg with one year that he avg over 50ppg. Sorry for the length of this post. I think that MJ is clearly #1 and KAJ and Wilt could share #2-3 (depending on what you prefer) followed by Russell because of the number of rings he won.

  • shutup

    As for Lebron I think his versatility actually hurts his chances to be the greatest ever, he’s a great passer and an exceptional scorer, so at times he tries to be both and thats why he messes up at the end of games, great scorers have that mentality that they are going to shoot and make it,but Lebron wants to make the smart basketball play, Kobe knows he’s gonna shoot the ball, Lebron has to decide between making the smart basketball play and making the right play. That and playing with Wade forces him to be passive at times, we saw it in the finals last year.

  • Justin G.

    Hard to give the advantage of overall points to Kareem when he played 5 more years than MJ, and two of those years lost were in MJ’s prime. He’s only behind by 6000 points and his lowest full season point output as a Bull was his rookie year at 2313. At the time of his first retirement he was scoring 2400-2600 points a year. Let’s not kid ourselves in thinking that if MJ doesn’t retire when he did (either time) that he wouldn’t have close to 40 000 points and it wouldn’t even be a discussion. And again, ring count should not matter in discussing who is a better PLAYER. Russell had a lot of HOF teammates and wasn’t a great scorer. I mean, Karl Malone never won a title so does that mean Kevin McHale was better? Of course not.

  • shutup

    Actually Kevin McHale might be the wrong example, a strong case can be made McHale was better (dude was unstoppable in the post when he was healthy), also he was a work horse and a very integral part the Celtics success he sacrificed personal accolades for team success (he did win 6th man of the year twice), pick another power forward just stay away from Worthy too.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    McHale was in no shape or form better than Malone.

  • BBaller

    @shutup, i respect most of your comments. A debate about who was the GOAT between MJ and KAJ is very,very,hard.Personally i only saw KAJ in his final years so i have to rely on stats, to your credit those stats seem to favor MJ.All i know is if they both entered the league at the same time they would share ROY ala Kidd and Grant.Best Sg =MJ, best C=KAJ.

  • BBaller

    Also your point about Lebron being versatile is quite valid, unlike Jordan who knew exactly what his role was- To WIN. I think that Lebron at the moment and evident in the past is unsure of exactly what to do, does he pass,or does he score? Time will tell as Lebron will surely decide for himself which option to take.Kill or be killed. Mj always took the former.

  • shutup

    Thank you, I can only rely on past footage of Kareem as well, but that doesnt mean I havent picked up copies of the NBA dynasty series both from the Lakers and the Celtics. I just think that KAJ has competition for best Center ever, but I have to rely on purely stats to compare him to Wilt, and Wilts stats are amazing, his fire didnt burn as long as KAJ but his fire burned brighter if you just compare stats in the heart of their career, no ones numbers compare to Wilt not even Jordan. Also KAJ was blessed with an amazing team in the second half of his career. @JTaylor I respect your opinion, but there is an argument to be made. McHale was a special talent, he could have started on almost any team back then, it was a blessing and a curse playing with Bird. He was still putting up great numbers while Bird was the man, he was chasing team success, I think his sacrifice of personal numbers for the ultimate glory has to be calculated into it. If he didnt play the role he did on the Celtics he could have easily put up Karl Malone numbers(probably not as long) but he was definitely capable of avg 25-30 ppg if he was on another team. he only shot under 50% one year in his career and it was his last and he shot 45.3%

  • shutup

    One more point for Jtaylor- McHale avg 26 ppg on 17 shots, Karl Malone avg 29-30 ppg on 20 shots with; 3 more shots a game then McHale would have definitely avg at least 3 more ppg considering his great fg%

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    McHale is severely underestimated in the greatest PF’s debate. The Celts were so deep it hurt his production, but dude is one the GOAT at PF.

  • shutup

    Once I heard that Barkley said McHale was the best post player he ever played against I had to study his game, Barkley being one of my early favorite players and all, McHale just had so many post moves and he named all of them like Dawkins did his dunks; my favorite was the slippery eel and the white salamander, his up and under was probably the best the league has ever seen.

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