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Friday, February 24th, 2012 at 8:40 am  |  263 responses

Post Up: First Half Finale

On the eve of All-Star ’12, Miami stifles the Knicks, plus wins for OKC, ATL and the Spurs.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

What a way to end the first half of the season—from the show on South Beach to Thunder-Lakers late night, with a JSmoove-Dwight battle and classic Spurs in between.

Heat 102, Knicks 88

Fair or unfair, this game was billed as Jeremy Lin vs. LeBron James, so let’s start there: JLin finished with 8 points on 1-11 shooting, 3 assists and 8 turnovers, while LeBron got flirty with a triple-double, racking up 20 points, 9 boards and 8 dimes. Miami played stellar D in the early going, and by halftime, the Knicks had racked up 15 turnovers—6 each by Amar’e Stoudemire and Jeremy Lin, who had just 2 points on 1-5 shots through two quarters. But Carmelo Anthony (who shot just 3-10 in the first half) beat the halftime buzzer to bring the Knicks to within 51-47 at the break, just moments after Mario Chalmers canned a step-back three as the shot clock expired for the Heat. In the second half, it was all MIA. Chris Bosh finished with 25 points, Dwyane Wade had 22 and Joel Anthony swatted 5 blocked shots. Melo (19 points, 7-20 FGs) and Amar’e Stoudemire (13 points) didn’t do much to help Lin, and the Knicks shot worse than 40 percent as a team. The Heat have now won 8 straight games, all by double-digits, and have a share of the NBA’s best record at 27-7, while New York has dropped 2 of its last 3 ballgames. Let the Lin backlash begin…

Hawks 83, Magic 78

Even when teammate Joe Johnson went down with an injury, we still couldn’t find a way to get Josh Smith on the All-Star team, huh? Not to worry, all JSmoove did last night was lead his Hawks to a big win over Orlando with 22 points and 12 boards. Atlanta got up 47-30 at halftime, holding the Magic to 32 percent shooting in the first half (2-12 from three-point range) and getting a ridiculous 15 points from Jannero Pargo through two quarters, including 3 threes). Orlando came back to make things interesting late in the game, but simply didn’t have enough offense. With Jameer Nelson nursing a knee injury, Chris Duhon got the nod at point guard, but contributed only 6 points in 28 minutes. Dwight Howard finished with 12 points and 12 rebounds, and yet had only 7 field goal attempts. Hedo Turkoglu and Ryan Anderson had no problem jacking up jumpers, though—they combined to shoot 8-29 from the field, not to mention Jason Richardson’s 3-10 shooting on his first night back from chest pains. Atlanta skidded to the All-Star break (4-6 in the last 10) but sits just 1.5 games back of Orlando for the No. 5 spot in the East.

Spurs 114, Nuggets 99

The Spurs got all over Denver with a 19-1 run in the first quarter and never looked back. DeJuan Blair tied a career-high with 28 points and added 12 boards as the Spurs got to 24-10 at the All-Star break. San Antonio has won 12 of its last 13, this time getting double-digit scoring efforts from all five starters—Tim Duncan scored 18 points, Danny Green scored 16, Tony Parker had 16 and 12 dimes and Richard Jefferson connected on 5 of his 7 threes (17 points). The Nuggets, on the other hand, limp to the midseason break with a 3-7 record over their last 10 games and on the outside of the Playoffs looking in, at 18-17. Recently thrust into starting roles due to a bevy of injuries, Corey Brewer and Andre Miller led Denver with 23 and 20 points respectively, but the Nuggs trailed from start to finish in this one. The Spurs led by as many as 28, despite being outscored in the paint, 42-40.

Thunder 100, Lakers 85

It’s hard not to watch this game and think of the phrase “changing of the guard,” especially considering the manner in which the Thunder disposed of the Lakers in the second half, improving to 15-1 at home (best in the L) and 27-7 overall (tied with Miami for NBA-best). Both teams came in on the second night of back-to-back games, and it was the young legs of Oklahoma City that won the endurance battle, behind 33 points from Kevin Durant, 19 from Russell Westbrook and 11 points, 13 boards and 3 blocked shots from Serge Ibaka. The Thunder held Los Angeles to below 39 percent field goal shooting, and Kobe Bryant to 7-24 from the floor (24 points). The Lakers’ frustration boiled over late in the game when James Harden (16 points) jawed with Kobe and Metta World Peace, but talk was all L.A. could do, as OKC broke open the game in the second half—a Kendrick Perkins putback dunk with 4-plus minutes to play giving the Thunder a 14-point lead, their biggest of the game. The Lakers head to the half-season break at 20-14 and No. 5 in the West.

Line of the Night: Take your pick, LeBron’s 20/9/8/5 steals/2 blocks or KD’s 33/4/6/3/1.

Moments of the Night: DWade climbs the ladder for a follow slam Also a nice metaphor for what the Heat did to the Knicks for most of the night. Then Kevin Durant makes the Lakers look silly. Big players make big plays.

Dunks of the Night: Dwight with the hoop and the harm, and your nightly DWade-LBJ oop gets things started on South Beach. Would be nice to see both these cats in the Dunk Contest, wouldn’t it?

This weekend: All-Star Weekend 2012 gets underway in Orlando with the Rising Stars Challenge tonight at 9, before All-Star Saturday Night and the big game on Sunday. My picks for everything: gimme Team Shaq tonight, Steph Curry in the Skills competition, Anthony Morrow in the 3-point, Derrick Williams in the dunk contest and the East over the West.

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  • seun

    Damn, linsanity got a huge reality check last night; it was hard to watch.

  • AD

    for one i think its time baron davis gets more pt……… no. 2 anybody else thinks OKC is the favorite to come out the west?

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    AD the thunder gotta be the favorite….. got too.

  • AD

    @datkid yea i think so man that duo is just too good….. Durant seems like he has gotten stronger and westbrook to me is just the best scoring pg in the lg… May be wild sometimes but i think okc needs it…. #### skip bayless lol

  • RobbieJay

    i honestly beleive westbrook would be a BEAST shooting guard.

  • RobbieJay

    and also, being a heat fan i was a little disappointed with stat and melo, i was expecting them to have a bit more fire in this game. be more agressive. because lin looked lost as hell out there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Shhhh…..can you guys hear that? Jeremy Lin just turned it over again.

  • AD

    @robbie… i actuallly saw melo and stat play d and try to rebound…. The heat are just too good i guest

  • https://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    Miami ran an effing clinic last night.

  • RobbieJay

    @AD they actually tried? wow lol i was probably so used to them not trying i expected scoring and not defense

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Heat/Thunder would be a fantastic Finals if they can both get there.

  • AD

    yea its like they only wanna play good against good teams which makes the pretenders.. sorry, knick fans

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    @ AD I agree that durant’s gotten stronger… although he’s still not strong enough. I don’t about westbrook being the best scoring pg tho…..

    LMAO @ eboy.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    OOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRAAAAAANNNNNGGEEEEEEEE COMMMEEEEE OUTTT ANDDDD PLAYYYYYYYYYYY
    OOOOOORRRRRRRANNNNNNGGGEEEEEEEEEE

  • T-Money

    i saw after the game that some journalists were cranking up the excuse machine for lin withh fatigue, setting up melo, etc. what i saw was someone that was overwhelmed. thankfully for him, he will not play against the miami heat every night. i believe lin is a rotation player in the nba without a doubt and he earned the right to prove he can be the long time starter in new york. i won’t go beyond that for now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    My two cents….Lebron played kind of crappy and still put up ridiculous numbers and played a good floor game. Bosh took it right to Chandler every time he touched it. That was an oddity to see that much aggression from him.

  • Justin G.

    OK, the excuses are definitely weak. He even admitted after the game that he had never played another team that made it so hard for him to just dribble the ball. People keep forgetting that this kid is only 23 and is very inexperienced overall. Now he has 3 basically new players to play with in Melo, Davis, and Smith and no time to practice with any of them to get a feel for their games and how best to play with them. We won’t see whether he is the real deal or not until next year or maybe the year after when he gets a few cycles around the league and a training camp or two with his teammates. As I stated before, when you play against very good defensive teams it usually doesn’t matter who you are…you’re going to have a difficult scoring night.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Norris Cole and Mario took things personally. They are one of the best defensive tandems in the League, and they executed the coach’s gameplan to perfection. The bigs hedged hard on the pick, and extended Lin but kep their hands active, the guards chased hard, and stayed on his right hand. Anybody else notice how they made a point not to let him get momentum going right, and forced him to try to create for himself and others off his left hand. The truth is, very few teams have the personnel and defensive commitment to do what the Heat did. They are the second best defensive team in the League and the best on certain nights. Lin will be fine against most of the NBA as long as he doesn’t get flustered again, and start picking up his dribble all willy nilly. He hadn’t really don’t that so much on the pick and roll, PLUS most teams allowed him the option of splitting the hedge, which Miami did not allow.
    Dude will be fine. He had that same look Chris Bosh had last year when Miami played Boston in the first game of the season. He was surprised by the intensity level and if you don’t play in those games all the time, it can shock you.
    LeBron actually had a very subpar game offensively. And the Heat missed a lot of easy buckets early. But they were missing layups, so as long as they kept getting those shots, they were going to be fine. Bosh looked so aggressive last night against Chandler. If he had played like that in the Finals, the Heat would have won even with LeBron choking.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Watching Lin yesterday reminded me of when I played ball in AAU and guarding a player that really didn’t want to be out there it was very sad. Miami looks like how we expected them to be last year. They are dominating everyone sort of like the 08 Celtics squad. The Lakers looked horrible at times but for the most part I thought they played well. Kobe started going out of his way to score which really hurt us.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe always goes out of his way to score. That’s who he is.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Yea I know Allen but that ish is annoying after a while even for me.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Miami Heat were just EXPLOSIVE last night. And yes.. they ran a f*cking clinic.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man I was hoping for some fireworks to help my Friday pass more quickly. I can’t depend on y’all for nothing.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Let’s start it then Allen. How about the usual topics that piss people off?
    LeBron is better than Kobe by a country mile.
    Westbrook is the best scoring PG in the league.
    The Knicks are who we thought they were with Mr. Pringle leading the charge.
    Grimus can’t close his mouth he must have strong facial muscles.
    Did I miss anything?

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    grimus?

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Mike Brown

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Allen, that’s because the orange testicle fissure is too afraid to show his cyberface.

  • http://dimemag.com Royal

    Yeah the Heat made Lin look like the bench warmer that most people expected to be…I hope he learns from it, watches film and makes the proper adjustments. I have no comment on the Lakers at this point, they are who we thought they were lol

  • http://dimemag.com Royal

    @ T-Ray : LeBron is better than Kobe at this point ..there really shouldn’t be an argument. LeBron’s in his prime, Kobe is past his prime (he’s still great though)

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    I would agree with you just trying to stir stuff up its slow at work lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Erik Spoelstra = COY candidate after last night?

  • Jetstar7

    The Miami Heat sure played the same brand of oppressive D reminiscent of the 90′s Bulls on the Knicks, which was a joy to watch. They put a damn dam all around Lin, but interestingly eased off when Baron Davis came on the court. The second half was really hard to watch on the Knick end of things as nothing was falling for the Knicks and of course, the Heat’s D was exasperating for anyone to go against.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I won’t hold this game against Lin or overreact because I never thought the guy was as great as the media and some fans led us to believe. A player of his caliber and talent will always struggle against a great defensive team like the Heat. Also, I hope last night’s showing puts an end to all the foolish “he plays like Steve Nash” nonsense. There’s nothing Nashty about dude, he’s not the ball-handler Nash is (not even close), not the passer, not the shooter.
    I don’t care how bad Lin plays, Baron Davis has no business starting.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, he has too much talent to be coach of the year, although he’s done a GREAT job. But if people are already trying tof igure out ways to shaft LeBron on his obvious MVP, they won’t give Spoelstra Coach of the Year.
    I can’t believe I saw somebody uppping Durant as MVP over LeBron. That’s crazy talk. Even with his improvement, Durant is still a step behind LeBron.
    The Knicks looked tenative, except for JR Smith. And they didn’t play with confidence or trust or cohesion. They were all going for dolo once Lin went into his shell. (Look I don’t blame dude. It was a crazy atmosphere and the Heat were locked in. He really did need a vet to pick him up and give him some confidence and Amare and Melo failed at that.)
    LeBron really should post up more. He needs to post up everybody, all the time. That should be his default decision. I don’t know why he resists it so much.
    And it’s crazy how much better the Heat’s bench is this year compared to last year with Haslem and Miller healthy. It’s like night and day.

  • LA Huey

    I’m actually surprised Lin didn’t have double digit turnovers. He didn’t stray far from his (very high) average. You could see Norris and ‘Rio were charged up to take him out of the game along with the rest of the Heat defense.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Allenp. Lin will be fine. He still dribbles way too high and tends to defer too much to his teammates when Melo is on the floor. But the Knicks still need him to attack the hoop. Miami did a great job defensively, and I think it’s good for Lin that he gets beat up once in a while. He’s basically a rookie; he’ll learn.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    JHarden is a brave man. Most 2 guards (apart from Wade) in the L are afraid to talk sh*t to Kobe but dude was right there face to face talking smack. He also backed up the talk by outplaying Kobe on both ends of the floor.
    Also..can someone explain to me why Shaq is all of a sudden Kobe’s personal a** kisser?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shaq is a weirdo.
    James Harden was getting gully with Kobe. I wish they had been miked up. Then Durant came over and had some stuff to say. Ron Artest and Gasol tried to join in and Durant and Harden looked at them like “This is a big boy conversation.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    Because Shaq is Shaq.

  • LA Huey

    The Heat are undefeated in those uninspired jerseys from last night, right?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Orange is probably going to come in at around 5 and talk about how everyone loves him. That’s what happens everytime the Knicks lose, after he makes an outlandish prediction. He doesn’t show up for a while, and then comes in and gloats about how he is “missed” or whatever.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Yeah that was pretty funny seeing Harden talking sh*t to Kobe. Artest kept trying to shove Harden back but he kept getting in Kobe’s face lol and I thought I was one of few to notice Shaq has been breaking out his Kobe issued knee pads.

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    I find shaq kisses the a** of all the players hes played with and criticizes the players he hasn’t.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The Heat are dangerous in their fake Spur unis.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Baron Davis has to be the most out of shape looking PG i have ever seen. I cannot think of another player who has ever played that position, that looks that horrible athletically. Mario Chalmers walked right by him, every time he had a chance.

  • Paul H

    What about Most Improved Player? I seen Espns rankings and they had Nikola Pekovic ranked 8th…thats just criminal! Dude has been putting up ELITE big man numbers since knocking darko out of the T-wolves starting lineup. 17.2 points, 10.5 rebounds on 57% shooting In February. Whats more valuable to a team long term, a tough big man (legit 6’11, 290) who Is putting up those sort of numbers or a 6’3 point guard (Lin) who turns the ball over like It’s going out of fashion and looked so damn FRAGILE In front of his first real test? There you go Allen, hopefully that will start an argument.

  • T-Money

    Allen – I don’t agree at all that the posting up should be LeBron’s default decision. When he’s attacking the rim from a dribble-drive, it opens up passing options for cutters and shooters. Also, he gets opponents in foul trouble much more easily from slashing than from posting up. Regardless of who is on the floor, LeBron is the floor general in the last 6 minutes and he organizes the offense, can’t do that from the black. Until his quickness fades, his bread and butter must remain attacking the rim from the wing with the post up game as a tool.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    We disagree T_money.
    I think he can direct the offense from the block, and with Wade on the floor, Wade can easily feed him in the post as can Bosh. Doubling him the block doesn’t seem to work as well as trapping him on the pick and roll.
    I feel like teams panic when LeBron puts a smaller player on his back and gets two buckets. They abandon their defensive principles in a way that doesn’t happen when he’s getting his off the bounce.
    But, I do like his movement off the ball the past few games. He’s making much better decisions there.
    I think from the block, it makes the bigs on the other team have to make tough decisions about when and how to double, and opens things up even more for Bosh and cutters. I just like their offensive flow so much better when he’s posting up regularly.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    RuPaul sure does make a mean humble pie! Hate losing to those South Beaches. lol. Yes, I know, the Knicks are just not there yet. Getting beat by the Heat like that last night shows the Knicks need some work (and health) in order to get to the Heat’s level. Moving forward, after the All-Star break the 3 seed in the East should be the Knicks goal, but the 4 Seed is probably what they’ll get. Without question, right now Miami is clearly the best team in the East, but they’re a beatable bunch. I’m telling you, the Knicks are not far away…they already have all the pieces in place to win a championship this year, now it’s up to the players and coaches to make it all work.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Bl3GRdULQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player 1982

    The difference between the elite teams and the rest of the league is extremely high. That’s why people were so quick to say it’s only been 2, then 3, then 4 good games for Lin. It’s not that he’s bad, everyone here probably agrees he can play. But the two best teams came out and played like they meant it last night. Russell Westbrook is the best pure scoring pg. but I think a few guys can give him a run for the $ if we’re talking scoring within the teams offense… And I’ve been a Shaq fan since Orlando, but he’s always been a PR guy. Not talking trash about your future HOF ex-teammate after your retirement into national television sounds about right.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    nbk, you know you’re wrong about Baron Davis, right? Dude just gets back on the floor and you’re ripping him? Enjoy it now while you can. SMHlol

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why do people keep saying Westbrook is the best scoring one?
    If Rose abandoned his conscience he could easily do what Westbrook does. Especially if the Bulls played more uptempo.
    Rose, then Deron Williams are the best scoring ones int he League. Westbrook is third.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Gotta side with AllenP on this one. Bron had 8+ seasons to have his fun playing around on the perimeter, it’s time for him to make that switch and become a full fledged post up player. The Heat offense becomes a little bit more dangerous when Bron posts up because Wade could play off that by cutting and slashing off the ball, Bosh spots up for that automatic 15-17 footer and it allows more spacing on the perimeter for those 3pt shooters to operate.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    wrong how? I’m talking about how he looks right now. Not in the future..

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Rose shoots 2 less shots, and scores 2 less points. It’s not that Westbrook is a better scorer, he just shoots more.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Orlando needs to make the trade in the worst way. Dwight Howard wasn’t even trying last night.

  • ti-sizzle

    The Baron should stop jacking up those horrible threes from 40 feet out. dude can’t hit the side of a barn right now. that has nothing to do with bad conditioning, it’s just bad decision making. but he has always had that problem.. sigh

  • AD

    i think westbrook is a better scorer than rose because his jumpshot is more consistent……… Not to say rose isnt consistent but westbrook’s midrange can be unstopable and his driving ability already is..Russell just needs to calm down some times like jkidd told him

  • AD

    @tsizzle… dwight had 7fg attempts… he can’t give the ball to himself smh

  • LA Huey

    I’m with T-Money. Teams make their game plan based on the assumption he’ll be on the perimeter. The more he goes to the block, the more his tendencies are exposed, the more a team can plan for how to handle it. Assuming Spo can coach well enough in the playoffs, the Heat could deploy an LBJ-post scheme when the offense is getting bogged down. That should leave opponents scrambling to handle something they aren’t very well-prepared for.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Westbrook only shoots better then Rose from 16-23 feet. Nowhere else on the court does he shoot a higher %. But Westbrook shoots 5 shots a game from that distance, to Rose’s 3. Westbrook shooting % is only higher because he gets more shots at the rim.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That’s a good point Huey. I hadn’t thought of that angle.

  • Fat Lever

    To jump in on the Bron post/slash debate, as he gets older, isn’t it better for his body to develop a post game. He’s been injury-free to this point, but as he gets older, that hits he could take from slashing could start accumulating and have a negative toll on his body.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i just think LeBron should do what gives his team the biggest advantage. He shouldn’t be boxed into playing a certain way to make his team successful. During some matchups he should dictate the offense from the perimeter (against Chicago for example), and other’s he should dictate the offense from the post (against Boston for example). The flexibility of being able to change his offensive focus is what makes Miami impossible to match-up with.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    He’s THE KING.
    He can do whatever he wants to do at any time.
    At any place.

  • T-Money

    fat lever – that’s precisely my point, let’s wait until he can’t slash at will to make him a full-fledged 4-man. and, allen, lebron is much more comfortable handling double teams from the wing than from the block. heat index had an article about his post game last week i think, saying that he converts like crazy but also turns the ball over like crazy on post ups. right now, want bron to go on the block when the mismatch is evident and i think he’s doing that. last night, he took j.r. to the block whenever he could but i think it’s pointless for him to take melo down there nahmean?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I have seen dude backdown one of the strongest players in the L (artest), so I don’t see why he shouldn’t be doing the same thing to guys like Melo, GWall and Deng. I’m not saying he should become strictly a post-up player but he has to go down there more than he does at the moment. He only post-ups 4.5 times on average per game, that’s not enough in-game attempts for it become comfortable and second nature to him. How can you expect him to dominante down there in the playoffs when he isn’t experimenting enough in the RS?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    my question: where are all of the people that told us Kobe would come out and have a great comeback season this year, and LA would compete for a title? because that isn’t remotely happening.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Uh… nbk. He’s having a great season. Are you blind. Geez two terrible games and he’s “having a bad season.” ?? LA IS competing for a title. They can beat anyone out West. Plus they probably won’t look the same in a couple weeks so quit hatching eggs.

  • AD

    RANDOM QUESTION… how come when their is a discussion about the top 5 players in the lg, how come a pg is never in there? drose,dwill,cp3 are never in the convo when it is diluded to 5 players.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Showtime

    Westbrook is beast like stated time and time again. rose still has that rust to him coming back, and deron plays unaspired ball for most of the year. & Knicks are the Knicks same old sub .500 boardline team they been nothing going to chance as long as they have pringles. And that Heavy lefting Kobe doing is finally catching up.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He is shooting 43%. He’s shooting 23 shots to score 28 points. He’s not having a great season.

  • LA Huey

    LeBron, Wade, Durant, Dwight, Kobe (in no particular order) would be my top 5. I could see someone making a case for Rose or CP3 to sneak in past Wade or Kobe though.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and you have to be delusional to think the Lakers have a shot at the title this year.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    In terms of on-court play, it’s Bron, KD, Wade, Kobe, Westbrook.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah and he’s had weeks where he’s shot above 50% and numerous 40 point games. And leading the L in 4th qtr points. And dishing out 5 assists and snatching 6 boards all while being on the downhill side of his career. So you got nothing. Your acting like the Lakers are the Suns or something.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No, I’m acting like the Lakers and Kobe are exactly what I said they were before the season started. 2nd round roadkill. Kobe is still a top 5 player, but by no means is he having a “comeback” type of season. His starting the season over 50% was nice, but since then he’s a 40% shooter. And of course he’s going to get around 5 and 5, or 6 & 5 – he’s playing 38MPG and is using a higher % of his teams possessions then any player in the last 6 years (which was Kobe Bryant in 2006).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe is matching his career high in turnovers per game, he’s hanging out right around the shooting % he put up as a teenager. Even his defense output is as low as it has been in almost a decade.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No one was saying this is the season he was going to shot a great % and have more assists and rebounds than before and he was going to get back to 1st team defensive form. Your making up stuff in your head. Kobe is playing amazing this year all things considered. Some guys have been MVP’s as re4cent as oooh last year shooting a terrible percentage so quit acting like it’s so terrible. I know what games you have seen, the ones that have been on ESPN and TNT and Kobe has looked like garbage in every one of the National TV games this year except like two. So if you wanna keep talking out your a$$ go for it, but you got nothing. Oh and those turnovers… Guess where your beloved King falls in line? I bet you know.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t know who “my beloved king” is. And I don’t know why you always try and bring up other player’s when we are talking about Kobe Bryant. I showed Kobe’s turnovers numbers to illustrate Kobe is not having a very good season at all, in multiple areas. It has nothing to do with anyone else. — And yes, I got in many conversations before this season started, with you, maniac, and other Lakers fans, about how Kobe was going to have some kind of great season (which he isn’t), how the Lakers were going to be back in the title hunt (which they aren’t). And so on and so forth. Plus, it’s Friday, and I can’t do my job until people call me back with pricing so I wanted to ruffle some feathers to waste some time. Mission Accomplished.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    The Lakers are no title contenders this year, but I wouldn’t blame it on Kobe. Bynum and Pau look uninspired for long stretches. Derek Fisher is barely hanging on. Ron Artest is a caricature of himself. Josh McRoberts is no Lamar Odom. And who off the Lakers bench scares anybody?

    I can’t believe I just defended Kobe. I’m going to throw up now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t believe JTaylor watches OKC games and comes away thinking Westbrook is a better player than Durant. That actually boggles my mind.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen I think you misread his comment.

  • AD

    @allenp durant vs westbrook is a pointless argument.. they need eachother to win ,if anything they have equal value towards the team

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk, think about what you just said. You said “I don’t know why you always try and bring up other player’s when we are talking about Kobe Bryant.” What the hell else are you suppose to do when your talking about a players good and negative qualities, but to compare them to the other best player in the L. Man I shouldn’t need to explain this too you. You compare players all the time. It’s what fans are suppose to do. It’s weird that you would even think you shouldn’t compare NBA players to other NBA players when debating their qualities…. What? lol. Anyway, So on that note, you say Kobe is having a bad year in TO’s. I agree. Also a fact that goes with that is that is your clear cut MVP choice is averaging dam near the same number of TO’s. So that should shoot down that notion that TO’s are a reason Kobe is having a bad season. The only justifiable way of saying Kobe is having a “bad season” is the fact that he’s shooting 3 more attempts than the next person in the scoring board. While only being ahead of them in scoring slightly. He is shooting poorly and I hate it. And he has tom improve to over 45% to really have a “great” season imo. Kobe has sucked big time the last couple games and a few games throughout the year with terrible shooting, but that’s the only thing he is having a “bad season” in. Lakers are in the Title hunt. If the season ended today I wouldn’t say that, but it doesn’t.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    The Heat shutdown my man, Lin, but let’s be real, they treated him like he was Chris Paul or Derrick Rose with the pressure they put on him. He’s nowhere near THAT nice. And I know that Stat just lost his brother and all, but does he even want to be a Knick anymore? Talking all that “We going hunting at South Beach” and ish, but you left the toast at home, dunn! Seems like you left it at home on purpose too. The Knicks played a horrible game and were still basically in it for the most part… And it seems like in just a year and change the Lakers went from contenders to a team that’ll struggle to get out the first round.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My bad, I did read it wrong. I didn’t recognize KD as Durant.
    And there is no way in hell Westbrook has better on court play than Derrick Rose, Deron Williams or Chris Paul. He doesn’t play better than any of them. He scores more. Last year, Taylor was killing Rose for shooting too much. Rose took 19.7 shots per game as the only serious scorer on his squad.
    Westbrook is taking 18.9 shots. That’s some obvious hypocrisy to champion one player and kill the other one.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    What part of having KD infront of Westbrook don’t some people get? Sheeeeeeit, do I have to explain everything like I’m talking to 2nd graders?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You can compare players when it makes sense. Comparing Kobe to anyone when we are only talking about Kobe and the Lakers however, doesn’t make a damn bit of sense. (especially when the player you are trying to compare him too to make the situation look better is having a ridiculously better season then the player (Kobe Bryant) we are talking about). Also, The Lakers are not title contenders this year unless they steal some good players. And since Mitch Kupchak isn’t actually making decisions for the Lakers anymore, it is pretty impossible to actually believe that something like that will happen.

  • AD

    as of right now would ya say cp3 is the best player in the lg?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    You win nbk.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m not a fan of Westbrook’s shot selection, so let’s get that straight. What I’m a fan of is his defense (one of the best defender at the PG position), rebounding (top-4 at his position), his improved jumper/efficency (shooting a career high 47%), his scoring ability (avg. 23ppg and 26.6ppg on 48% shooting this February) and his tenacity and relentless attitude on both ends of the floor.
    Rose, DWill and CP are all better players (no one is arguing that) but no PG had a better 1st half to the season than Westbrook.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol I wasn’t trying to win anything, I just wanted to waste time. and i have been hearing way to much positive stuff about the Lakers – around the gym and where i work, felt like they are being over appreciated for not being very good. my bad

  • AD

    ^^agreed too many wannabe skip bayless’s on this site

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    The only reason you can argue westbrook has been playing the best is by default because of injuries to Rose and CP3. Imo Tony Parker has been playing like the best PG in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    ^ Let me elaborate on my last comment because its sounds a little contradictory, the same applies for Tony parker as well, but I do feel he has been playing better than westbrook.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Who the hell are these people you hang with that are big enough Lakers fans to tell you how awesome they are when they are playing lousy. That’s weird. You don’t doubt a champion. Well you do, but I don’t. The Spurs and the Lakers are the best teams in the West because they have proven post season success with the group of guys they both have. That’s why the Spurs and Lakers are Title contenders. Not because they are playing well. Not because Kobe is back to 08 form. Not because Pau is dominating. Because they are champions. Champions should always be given the benefit of the doubt. The Mavs imo had everything go perfect for them last year. I don’t see them repeating. They nailed every shot the needed to nail. They played defense better than they ever have before and I think of their Championship as more of the perfect storm than them being a steady post season juggernauts. Anyone who is over appreciating the Lakers right not should go check themselves. Cause they have been pretty miserable thus far.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    People from LA. – and I appreciate champions when they still resemble champions. Just because they have 5 guys from those championship teams doesn’t mean they are still a championship team. Especially with Jim Buss pulling or should I say cutting the strings.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Like I said you win.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Is it really that far fetched to say that this current Knicks team will be playing the Cinderella role like the Suns used to in the D’Antoni days? I mean, with Chicago and Miami present, the Knicks are going to eventually be a REAL problem…but never BETTER than either of those squads. They’ll take regualr season games from both the Bulls and the Heat…and in a playoff matchup could probably grab a game or two…but the Bulls and Heat play REAL defense…not just token stuff. Just like the Suns used to.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    AllenP: You said something about someone saying something about KD being MVP over LBJ and how that was absurd. KD is playing just as well as LBJ this year. My money is on KD being MVP this year. He’s having an absolutely phenomenal year just like Bron. Pretty much a toss up with those two. It’s absurd to think KD is not in the discussion as much as Bron is.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He’s not.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Eboy I would dare to say you’re right to make that statement BUT that Suns team played as a collective bunch and didn’t really have the egos of a Melo and Amare wasn’t as outspoken as he is now. Add JR to the mix and this team is totally different. I do agree however that they can surprise the Bulls and Heat by stealing a few games. They came close twice against the Celtics last year and could have easily gone up 2-0 going back to the Garden.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yes. He is. I’m not some P.E.R. N.E.R.D. They are both doing exactly what their team needs for them to win. The are both MVP’s. Your choice as to who is your favorite for the MVP though. KD deserves just as much credit as LBJ right now. If not more.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Explain why KD is having an equally dominant year as LeBron. If you feel like he’s MVP, explain how his year is equally dominant using objective measures.
    On the Westbrook thing, dude deserves Kudos for his improvement in shooting percentage. Considering the fact that his three point percentage is still abysmal, that means he’s made his mid range jumper even more ridiculous and it getting to the rim even more, which didn’t seem possible.
    BUT, he’s averaging a career high in turnovers and nearly a career low in assists. Right now, he almost has a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. If you’re going to kill Jeremy Lin for his assist to turnover ratio, you can’t be talking about Westbrook is a top five player in the League.
    Westbrook has been scoring better than he has before, but, even with that, he’s taking almost the exact same number of shots as Rose took last year, scoring about the same number of points, and dishing out fewer assists with more turnovers. Basically, there’s no reason to leapfrog him over Rose who is averaging 22 points per game, 7.7 assists, on 46 percent shooting with 2.9 turnovers. There is no objective way that you can really put Westbrook over Rose at this point.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No he doesn’t. Maybe if you only cared about scoring and rebounding. But other then that it’s not even close.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How could KD deserve more credit than LeBron?
    Wade has missed games with injury, correct? LeBron has unleashed the most statistically complete season of his career, correct? His efficiency is off the charts, he’s scoring in a variety of more effective ways, his defense is freaking elite, he’s still an all-around beast as far as assists and rebounds, and his team is tied for the best record in the LEague.
    That’s not equal. KD is in second place. Both of them are killing, both of their teams are killing, Lebron is obviously killing more. That should mean that in a just world, he would be MVP. It’s not like you can use the “Oh he has Wade” argument, because Durant is on the second of third most stacked team in the League!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Actually, not even scoring and rebounding. When you look at their minutes. LeBron is doing EVERYTHING better.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I mean, have you really looked at LeBron’s numbers.
    27 points.
    8 boards
    7 assists
    55 percent from the field
    41 percent from three
    nearly two steals.
    almost a block.
    Best record in the league.
    Durant’s numbers are OUTSTANDING. Let me be clear about that. In any other year, he would be hands down MVP. But not this year because LeBron is exceeding him on an individual tip and matching him on a team tip.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Your wrong on most those numbers you just layed out Allen. The Thunder are 3 games ahead of everyone in the West. Heat are half a game ahead of the Bulls. The Thunder will lead the west in wins by a long shot, while the Heat will end up being second in the East. KD is doing everything his team needs to win(as is LBJ). Definition of MVP. We don’t need to get into the stats because they are close enough that one can’t be proved better than the other by just putting them out there. LBJ is as he has always been a better play maker and defender, but KD is playing good D also. What KD lacks in passing and play making he makes up for in clutch shooting and is a purer scorer in every sense of the phrase. He is the 4th qtr horse for that team while LBJ is still second fiddle on his. You guys love LBJ so it’s obvious why you think he deserves MVP over everyone by a long shot. I don’t think he is undeserving, but no more deserving than KD.

  • shutup

    I’m not saying KD deserves it more than Lebron, but the race is close, best record in the West, second in scoring in the league, and he’s doing it with great role players (all respect due to Westbrook). As for Kobe is having a great personal season coming back from injuries many thought (including myself) his production would drop off, he’s keeping the Lakers viable pretty much by himself and he’s leading the league in scoring. As for the Spurs – slow and steady wins the race, heres hoping they continue this and no major injuries happen, I dont see any reason they couldnt make it to the finals and beat the Heat. That Knicks game was crazy, Lin played shook but I was more concerned with the way Melo and Amare played. I hate the fact that you can slide under someone once they leave the ground and try to get that charge (Shane Battier on Lin), but the effort on defense was there for the Knicks they just need to secure the defensive rebounds and they will be ok

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t love LeBron. But I’m tired of people ragging on dude.
    The numbers aren’t close. The shooting percentage is not close. There is a whole world of different between 55 percent and 50 percent. That’s the difference between a highly efficient two guard and a freaking power forward!
    LeBron is almost doubling up Durant when it comes to assists. And while their turnover numbers are equal, Durant’s turnovers actually outnumber his assists. You can’t just ignore that because it makes your argument weaker.
    LeBron, a cat who no one considers a serious shooter, is shooting 41 percent from THREE! That’s a career high. And yes Durant has improved as a defender but he’s not even in the same League as LeBron as a lockdown defender. The game is huge.
    And Durant is a more fluid and versatile scorer, but he still only averages ONE MORE POINT than Lebron.
    Man, bottom line, LeBron should be the clear favorite with Durant as a respectable second place finisher. But, people don’t want to give LeBron MVP, so they try to boost Durant over him.
    And what numbers did I post that were wrong. Every number I posted comes from basketball reference and is either rounded according to accepted rounding standards, or the exact number. What are you talking about?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    People not having the ability to realize there is no favoritism involved in some people’s opinions is why I am probably not goin to waste time here anymore. Lakeshow you are one of the most openly biased commenters here, and your bias goes two ways. I get it tickles you to try and say we love LeBron or consider him king but it’s annoying and petty. You talk sh*t about us for giving our opinion on LeBron because it always seems to be the opposite of yours, which is pretty much always negative, us saying LeBron is clearly having a better season is a widespread belief. Just look at various NBa websites, try and find one that says LeBron isn’t having the best season. Just one. Every stat and figure supports the idea that LeBron is having a better season, some even support the idea that he’s having the best season in the 3pt era. Efficiency wise, he definitely was up until this string of blow outs. So it’s cool that you consider Durant to be just as in the running for MVP that’s your opinion, but that doesn’t make it right, and it definitely doesn’t make us LeBron lovers for disagreeing.

  • shutup

    Lebrons numbers are great, I just think that playing with Wade and Bosh factor in too the MVP discussion, I know Durant has Westbrook but that can be a hindrance just as much as a benefit at times. I wont be mad if either wins MVP, but keep an eye out for Tony Parker if the Spurs get the best record in the West or the whole league (which is very possible).

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    LeBron is clearly MVP, this is baffling. Durant has made huge strides this season, but so has LeBron. He is a career 33% 3 pt shooter. 55% for a wing player is absurd, and this isn’t a fad, we are 30 plus games into the year. Bron might well be the best on ball defender in the league on top of this.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    No way in the world will Tony Parker win the MVP. Voting is going to finish with Bron 1, then 2-5 will be Durant, Paul, Rose and Bryant in some order. Tony Parker was solid until this great stretch. I think in this shortened season people are forgetting what happened more than 10 games ago in some cases.
    Jtaylor, Westbrook had a bad to average first half of the first half of the season, by his standards. Paul and Rose have been the best guards so far when talking about on court play, Westbrook has exploded lately no doubt, but Paul missed what 5 games, and has been the best fourth quarter player in the leauge a lot of nights.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    So lets break it down. LBJ is 4% better at shooting. Which just makes sense. He is a slasher and post player and the best one man fast break maybe ever. You tend to shoot a high percentage when you are taking easy shots. KD is a jump shooter who takes twice as many threes a game. LBJ doesn’t make even one 3 pointer per game. They both snag 8 boards a game. One is a point forward the other is a scoring forward. Don’t expect KD to be anywhere neat LBJ in assists that’s silly. KD has hit a game winner and his been their steady 4th qtr option all year. KD does TO the ball too much per his ball handling responsibilities. I don’t give half a sh*t what NBA sites are saying, as far as on the court play they are both having similarly effective great seasons. Durant doesn’t need any “boosting” he is showing with his play that he is as valuable to his team as anyone in the L. Your opinions vs my opinions, but mine are wrong? Got it. lol

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So Brons assists and passing skills are being taken for granted, because we expect it to happen it doesn’t factor into the debate?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Psssst, to those of you who think the season ends today……. It doesn’t.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I guess the fact that Rose has missed 10 games and his team has gone 7-3 in those games don’t matter. I’m not holding that against him but the fact that Westbrook has played in every game on the West’s best team while having the best season of his career is more impressive than Rose’s season. Don’t people equate a drop in Russ’s assist numbers to the fact that KD has improved his ball-in-hand and playmaking skills and the emergence of JHarden? Also, dude is a better defender than Rose.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I have no problem with that, personally I just think Rose has been better when he has played, but can see why you think that missing almost a third of his teams games is enough to have Westbrook ahead of him so far.
    Why do you think Westbrook has been better than Paul? Im genuinely curious, I have it as Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Williams over the first half of the season.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No we both have opinions. Yours isn’t necessarily right. Which means ours aren’t necessarily bias. Simple.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    AllBall, no, they play different styles. One is running around off screens while the other has the ball placed in his hands and is expected to make plays for others. LBJ is going to and is suppose to have more assists by a great number.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And you are emotional, all the time. Which is why I’m not surprised at all that you can’t see what is plainly obvious.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ALLBALL at 4:54.
    He gets it.
    You can’t have a seriousdiscussion or debate or argument if those are the parameters.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    But why does Bron have the ball placed in his hands? Because he is a far superior passer and play maker than Durant. He is also a far superior defender.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    I see your injury argument.
    But, to me, Rose has played the bulk of the games, I think like 25, and he’s been clearly and completely better than Westbrook when he’s played. Not even close better in most cases.
    Westbrook is an awesome scorer, and honestly the argument is much closer when you talk about who is the better scorer even though I still take Rose, but when it comes to be better player, it’s not close in my mind.
    But that’s just my opinion.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Better rebounder, superior defender and higher ceiling/potential. Don’t get me wrong, Rose is a better player and will probably have a better career but I hate when people try to dog Westbrook acting like he’s “holding back” KD and isn’t headed to a second straight all-nba 2nd team selection.
    Also, DWill/JWall avg the same amount of TOs as Westbrook and I don’t hear anyone on here doging them.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Durant has the ball in his hands in isolation and in pick and rolls nearly as much as LeBron.
    I’m not a big advanced stats guy, but according to basketball reference, Durant’s usage rate is 31.4 percent and Bron’s is 32 percent. That’s nearly identical. Usage rate is the percentage of the team’s plays that are run for a particular player. So basically, how often is a player handling the ball and dictating the offense. And their numbers are nearly identical.
    The difference is Durant is still mainly a scorer. That’s how he impacts games. It’s what defines him. LeBron scores, but his gift includes doing other things. It always has. The thing that’s amazing is that he can do all those things and still put up insane scoring numbers.
    That’s better. Everybody knows that’s better.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Because they get assists prolly

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    No one dogs them JTaylor cuz they are on sorry a$$ teams. Not saying it’s right but that’s probably the reason why.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I dog Dwill, or I have.
    And I agree with All Ball’s rankings based on total play, to be honest. Dwill’s shooting percentage is killing him, as are those turnovers. And yes he has bad talent, but still.
    But Westbrook is averaging only slightly more assists than KOBE and more turnovers. Despite playing with arguably the best scorer in the League. Something is wrong there.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why do you have Westbrook as having a higher ceiling than Rose?
    They are equals as athletes, and Rose has a better feel for the game and a better mindset. I would say Rose has the higher ceiling.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Aight, enough of this Rose/Russ argument. Even though I don’t agree with it, I respect your opinion.
    How good would the Clippers be with DWill instead of CP and how good would the Nets be with CP instead of DWill?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Deron is averaging 9 assists a game to his 4 turn overs. Westbrook is averaging 5 assists a game to his 4 turn overs. Thats a big disparity. I know Harden has had an increased role as playmaker, but Westbrooks assists are lower because to be honest he just isn’t passing the ball as much when he does have it.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I’m too biased towards Paul to answer that one.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I have no idea how those teams would do. Even in New Orleans, Paul always had David West getting buckets. Nobody on Jersey is even close to David West.
    And I think that Blake would still get his numbers with Deron and so would everyone else. It’s not like Deron is a chucker.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I think the Clippers would have a few more L’s, just because Paul has absolutely carried them in the fourth in a few games like I haven’t really seen anyone but KD do this season. New Jersey are just terrible so I have no idea how they would do with Paul.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Because he’s still learning the PG position unlike Rose who’s been a PG since HS. Also, it’s not like SBrook’s is out there running an intricate offense out there, it’s either KD off a screen or Westbrook/Harden iso/PnR action. If they ran a little bit more structured offense like Thibs runs (lots of ball/player movement), I think that would cut down on the turnovers and accelerate the learning curve. Let’s not forget that the guy avg. damn near 8apg two years straight, so this season looks like an aberration.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The Clippers would probably be better. Because they would have someone that can guard both guard positions and still put him offensive numbers. And the Nets would probably be better because Paul seems to get more out of lesser teammates, for whatever reason.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m not sure why you think Westbrook would enjoy a system that forced him to run a real offense.
    And since Rose was already more developed and is still developing, I think he would be better.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I thought that about Paul in Jersey too, but 1 or 2 extra wins on that Nets team would mean nothing really, and although Paul does actually seem to make guys better, New Jersey have basically no talent to work with. Brooks is a guy that is going to score with the ball in his hands. Maybe Paul could work with Humphries I don’t know, and no one knows how Lopez is going to be when he is playing consistently.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Actually the Clippers are so bad defensively I don’t know if that would matter. I can’t see Deron Williams making them worse. That’s what I should say.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    AllBall better is better too me. Those two are so close as players a couple wins is probably as big a difference as your going to get.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Last year, Chris Paul got “that Hornets” team into the effin’ Playoffs. That alone, is an achievement in itself. He made Nocioni look like an All-Star, and they almost upset the Lakers in the first round, (well, technically, they lost in 6, not 7, but still…).

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Fair enough.
    Does anyone on here agree with Barkley when he says that OKC isn’t the favorite out West? He talks about “they shoot too many jumpers” and lack a low post threat. I guess he’s right to a certain extent but Dal won the chip last season without a bonafide low post threat and by taking tons of jumpshots. MIA also went to finals playing the exact same style as OKC. Given the way they have played so far, OKC has to be considered the best team out West and they should only get better during the 2nd half of the season.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    imo – OKC is clearly the favorite.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Nothing is more emotional than beating your dog after a Kobe game winner. Durant is just as likely to win MVP this year. Watch how the votes go.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Exactly. Baby girl.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ;)

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So nbks dog has gotten beat once (the other week against the Raps) in about two years.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Oh, hey, The Post Up.
    I remember this!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah, Kobe’s a nice guy huh? He works with PETA.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah he’s been Loving Kobe’s regression. Hahahaha

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Which is a joke. If that hurts your feelings. I’m well aware of how amazing it is that Kobe’s doin this with that mileage.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    If I called you a b*tch would it hurt your feelings nbk? I’m assuming not, cause your a grown a$$ man talking with fellow hoop heads on an internet website. Which I so happen to be also. So STFU

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol don’t prove my point now.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Really? Saying STFU really hurts your feelings that bad? Calm down dude. Like seriously, breath in breath out. Don’t go crying on us now.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Oh hey, this is what The Post Up has been reduced to.
    I remember this too!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol I was talking about you being emotional sugar pile. You don’t posses the ability to hurt my feelings, don’t worry about that.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Enigmatic – “Tell him, I wish my lawn was as emotional as he is so it would cut itself”.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Enigmatic – “the self mowing Lawn!!”

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Watching NBA TV just refreshed my memory on just how good that Shaq/Penny-led Magic team were and how great they would have been had Shaq stayed and Penny never got injured. Those cats would have dominated the East for 5-6 seasons after MJ retired.

  • shutup

    people sleep on the Spurs, right now they have the 4th best record in the league and have had the longest winning streak thus far, and as far as MVP it should go to the guy who has the greatest impact on their teams performance, OKC without Durant are nowhere close to the same team, one can argue that a team with Wade and Bosh would still contend despite Lebrons amazing numbers, and that is an objective opinion. As for the Spurs Tony Parker is leading the team in assists and scoring, so its not far fetched to think if they end up with say the 1st or 2nd best record overall that he would be in contention for the MVP.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I 100% guarantee Tony Parker doesn’t factor Into who wins the MVP.

  • shutup

    well right now I have MVP voting looking like this 1)Lebron 2)Durant nod going to Lebron because they have a better record 3) Tony Parker 4) Kobe 5)Rose . Go watch Tommy Boy and pay attention to what he says about guarantees. Then go stick you head up a cows @$$

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I have Tony Parker 4th. 3rd is as high as he finishes in the voting. And I live in a cows ass. It’s cosy.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Y’all watching Doug Gottlieb out there running point for the EAST in the NBA All-STAR CELEBRITY GAME? LOL! Doug can still ball man. Doug aint wired for a belly. As for Common for on the WEST…dude is a PIMP in every sense. Loved him in Hell on Wheels. lol

  • shutup

    I was wondering why your always starting sh!t, surrounded by turds thats why you always come off like an @$$hole. I stand by what I said if the Spurs continue to play as they have, they will end up with the 1 seed in the west and possibly the best record overall, thus Tony Parker should be in contention for the MVP. Im not sure you understand what a factor is, but even if he finishes 3rd his position will still “factor” into who wins it. seeing as an absence of him would give more votes to who would eventually win it or who would end up second in said scenario thus propelling them into winning it.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Naw, the votes he receives won’t have an effect on who actually wins. Theoretically he’d be taking as many votes away from who wins it anyway, as anyone else. Plus he will be lucky to get a single 1st place vote if he’s not scoring 20+PPG or getting 10+APG – simply because that rarely happens. If ever.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Tony parker is that dude. Spurs are on a title mission.

  • shutup

    You do realize he’s avg 19.4 and 8 apg with Duncan playing limited minutes. and like i said MVP isnt solely based on personal stats, at least how I understand it, its the impact of the player on the teams success thats the main factor. The difference in our comments is mine is a conditional statement, your’s is a definitive statement coupled with a guarantee. thats why we dont see eye to eye on many points, despite your understanding of basketball which is pretty good you lack the ability to think objectively, and you continue to argue even when your points are dis-proven, I on the other hand love playing devil’s advocate and even though I’m passionate about my beliefs I am open to other peoples opinions (but only respect it when they put it forth as such “an opinion” not as a proven fact) as well as I possess the ability to argue both sides of a given issue.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I realize what you believe about the MVP award. Doesn’t mean it reflects how the voting actually goes. And my guarantee is a fairly safe one but if I’m wrong I’ll admit it right away. Other then the basketball stuff I genuinely don’t care how you feel.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Tarzan, I think te Spurs are much better suited to make a run then last year. Splitter turning into a solid player is huge for them.

  • shutup

    Trying to speak to you like an adult is useless, figured I try putting on a different hat, listen to Dr.Phil and not be so combative and explain were we have had a lack of communication. Must be tough knowing everything, try a little introspection, go meditate. and to prove you wrong about MVP winners Bill Russell has never in his career avg over 20 ppg or 10apg and won the award 5 times. that last sentence was a fact.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You burned that bridge long ago champ.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Good job on the research, I’m sure there has been more actually, because Wes Unseld did it too. I should have added rebounds. Oh well I was wrong. Won’t happen for Parker though. No higher then third

  • shutup

    LOL I live in the desert there are no-bridges around here. and it wasnt research I just know that russell never avg over 20ppg and I also know he won mvp 5 times, due to other GOAT arguments, champ. and your prediction is a safe one, nice and safe, but I still adhere to the thought Parker winning MVP is POSSIBLE, and not that far of a stretch if all things are considered. Oh btw, I was just trying to help you understand why people have a problem with you, but alas his highness knows all, as you were King Nothing- another Metallica reference for you.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Don’t care if people like me or not. Dont care about your opinion or your ignorance. Or your Metallica references. Which are just another example of your judgmental stupidity. Play innocent though, act like you didn’t mean anything by it. smh

  • Paul H

    I know that the timberwolves are only 500 but why Is a player as good as Klove never included In the MVP discussion?

  • shutup

    I love metallica @$$hole the black album is one of the greatest albums of all time, like i said open your mind. Hows it feel to be wrong again? damn your 2 for 2 today. What if I called you little Jackie paper (you living in an world of your imagination)or is a Peter,Paul and Mary reference gonna upset your delicate sensibilities. But if being the same color of c()m has you insecure maybe you should get a job outside, work on your tan a bit, lmfao

  • shutup

    IMO Love’s numbers dont translate into wins, if his team was top the conference then he absolutely would, and he would probably win it, he scores well enough and he relates well to the NBA’s target demographic, the keyword being “target”, also the small market label really hurts his chances especially since they arent winning

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2AitTPI5U0&ob=av3e IAMORANGE4EVER

    It don’t matter if you’re black or white. HEE HEE!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Hah and you really don’t get why you are not treated with respect? Oh well, at least it seems fun to be as mentally deficient, I mean, you seem to be having a great time at least.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It is not fun to be inept with sentences however. Which apprently I am.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Paul the unwritten rule is that to be considered for MVP you atleast must lead your team to a high playoff seed. I don’t think a player on a .500 team has ever won MVP. And non with less then 50 wins (other then 99′) in like 25 years.

  • shutup

    I’m going to embrace the I dont care what anybody thinks mindset and get a bit disrespectful. when your child is born what are you going to do if it comes out darker than your woman? CVS has paternity tests $150 for non-legal tests and $300 for ones that will stand up in court. On another note, your child when born will only get as dark as the color of their ears, so youll have an idea how much embarrassment your pasty parents will have to undergo when introducing her as their granddaughter, one more point all babies are born with fine hair this falls out at the second growth will determine if it will be kinked or straight, my advice is invest in some johnson’s detangler, they have one that smells like watermelon, my foster kids love it :)

  • shutup

    I cant believe I really hit submit comment on that one. Not that I’m sorry, but that definitely wasnt what Dr.Phil woulda done.

  • shutup

    It was cute how I struck a nerve with that Metallica reference, did you used to have a chain wallet and a leather jacket? Have you ever been in a mosh pit? I have its fun as hell, you should come to Extreme Thing in Vegas at the end of March. Google wall of death, that sh!t is intense, like a scene outta Braveheart.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You really don’t get that what you say doesn’t matter? I was just pointing out things about you. Which you made plainly obvious just a few minutes later. ” Play innocent though, act like you didn’t mean anything by it.” – I know that you are a piece of sh*t, I’m just encouraging you to illustrate it. Which your doing a fantastic job of. Good night fiddle.

  • shutup

    lmao

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Nbk & the allenp-hater need to settle this with paintball guns, community-style. This TPU was sad.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    really shutup? how many times are you gonna talk about somebody’s kids on here? I was honestly about to start giving you a pass too smh…..you disgust me dog. If I’m ever vegas remind me to F*ck your wife….

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Oh shiiiiiattt. Defcon 5, time to leave this post.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    I can’t believe I just read all that. My brain just turned to mush.

  • shutup

    yeah datkid technically its just a fetus right now and we have no proof its his kid, has enough chance to be as much yours as maybe mine. If you are in Vegas drop me a line I just bought a new toy, havent had a chance to go to the range yet, tax return was lovely wouldnt mind taking you out like one of the drunk b!tches in the club that are married to lames such as yourself but still wanna blow a bouncer. @darksaber I have no hate for allenp I understand part of his quirkyness is to come off as superior but overall hes a fair commenter and even though I sometimes disagree with his opinion I respect his views.

  • shutup

    On another note, secret tip when you go paintballing if you wanna make it really hurt freeze the paintballs the night before instead of leaving raspberries you’ll leave bruises the size of baseballs ;)

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    oh it’s like that huh you little internet thug? well I hope you got your practice time in homie, you see me you better not miss dog….. btw I’m so curious to find out how good your wife is at suckng d*ck… so curious. I’m done talking to you for now tho F*ckboy.

  • Justin G.

    Bill Russell wasn’t an offensive force and he had a bunch of other Hall of Fame scorers around him as well. If those in the MVP discussion keep playing like they have to start the year for the rest of the season, I see Lebron winning in a landslide. His play this year is absolutely amazing and while Durant is having a great year as well, he’s a distant second. I don’t care if the Spurs run the table for the rest of the year. Parker isn’t winning MVP. It might catapult him to second though. I do disagree with AllenP on one point though, and that’s Spoelstra’s chances at Coach of the Year. If it was based on the amount of talent a team had, then Phil Jackson wouldn’t have won in ’96 when the Bulls won every award (except DPOY when Scottie Pippen got robbed. Gary Payton my a$$! Not in that year anyway). I also tend to disagree with nbk a little about whether Kobe is having a great year or not. As others have stated, who else is going to take those shots when the bigs get doubled? I admit, Kobe takes some bad shots and you pointed out his shooting percentage, but you all laud the great Allen Iverson and his best shooting percentage season was 46%. And that was in his second year. Sometimes you guys love stats a little too much and it clouds the rest of your judgements.

  • shutup

    not an internet thug, just bouncing is night time work, part of the reason I moved to vegas is because I like guns and carrying in NYC is just stupid (look at plaxico, and shine) this great state of Nevada lets you open carry and its not hard to get your ccw, and you get to write of a couple purchases every year as business related expenses. I get to the range at least once a month just havent had the time to break in my new one. As for you wouldnt waste a bullet, been working on my headkicks though, another tax write off is my membership to xtreme coture. if I had a wife she would be great a suckin d!ck cause i’m not settling for anything less, I know a few that would take care of you for a couple bucks, got em on speed dial they also bring candy if you got a sweet tooth, got a couple trannys that come in once in awhile could probably hook that up for you, if thats what your in too.

  • shutup

    *Shyne

  • Paul H

    This post went very very strange….I’m going to join the consensus, shutup you sound like a retard.

  • http://sajkfldl.com Jukai

    Ahhh good ol’ SLAM. Never dull.

  • loaf

    Well that was an interesting read! Made my hangover…. Worse?

  • Paul H

    I think my hangover Is substantially better actually!

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I swear on everything that I love, this is the Greatest Site of All Times.
    Period.
    No joke.
    And nbk is a BEAST!
    But I love everyone up here.

  • T-Money

    Wtf happened lol

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    BOTH TROLLS TROLLED HARD

  • http://sajkfldl.com Jukai

    First comment Orange made that made me laugh.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol @ Orange.
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    Justin, we don’t laud Iverson as a top 10 player Or anywhere near as good as Kobe. We laud him for being as good as he was, but there wasn’t anyone comparing him too Jordan or calling him top 2 (which I’ve heard about Kobe on here) – there is context to the criticism.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    yo someone really just offered me a tranny tho…. Like I can’t believe that just happened….WTFFF

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    lmaooo @ Orange… he better not be calling me a troll tho….

  • Justin G.

    OK, Philo is drunk already. @nbk…I’m not saying there isn’t context but where Kobe or Iverson is ranked is irrelevant. The criticisms of Kobe from you and others is about his shot selection and shooting percentages this year in relation to whether he’s having a bad year or not. By comparison, Iverson never had a great year because his shooting percentages were so low or his shot selection was poor? Sometimes there’s more to just straight up stats. Maybe he starts a game 3-14 but goes hot in the fourth and finishes 10-23 and his team wins. Do we care that he shot below 50% or do we care that he got his points when it mattered most and got his team the win?

  • shutup

    you are the definition of a troll, and youd be surprised at the number of people that get rolled by trannies? trani? I’m not sure about plural for Tranny, but anyway i digress, some you wouldnt even know, but the beauty is while checking ID’s theres nothing they can do about that little M on there drivers licenses next to sex. and rolled means taken back to their hotel room and robbed, just in case you didnt know.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Justin, people were literally talking about Kobe being in the MVP season because he’s been “so great” so I was just merely pointing out he’s not having a great season for HIM! Not when compared to anyone else. A great season for Iverson was more of a regular season for Bryant. The context is wholly different.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I really want to to know why shutup won’t stop telling me about trannies but I’m terrified to ask. I liked it better when he was threatening to shoot me with the power of the internet. seriously.

  • shutup

    Because you sound like the type of dude that would be into that sort of thing, and really I’d rather slap you like the b!tch you are but lets be honest, this is a website and I know for a fact that Ive seen more and done more in my life and if we were face to face you or NBK wouldnt have half the b@lls you do while tapping away on your keyboards

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Speaking of trannies, there is a new movie available streaming on Netflix titled, Ticked-Off Trannies with Knives. It has pretty good reviews. Just putting that out there. lol

  • Justin G.

    OK, shutup you’re sounding more and more like an idiot every time here. They’re not the ones making ridiculous threats or talking about what would happen if you met face to face. You have no idea what they even look like (I don’t think). For all you know, one of them is 6’5″, 230 lbs and would knock the hell out of you. Please stop with the internet tough guy routine. It’s boring and completely inappropriate here. Take it to an MMA website if you need to get your testosterone on.

    @nbk…You should be more specific then. Maybe I missed it but I don’t think you specified “for HIM” in your other criticisms, at least not in this thread. It was just “he’s not having a great season”.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Hey, JustinG:
    HA!
    Earvin Johnson is still G.O.A.T.
    And he’s been a great businessman.
    Better than Isiah Thomas.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    My bad Justin you right, I didn’t mention that at all. – shutup, you are ignorant. Blatantly ignorant. You don’t know any of us, so acting like you do is like holding up a big glowing sign that says “I’m stupid, I criticize people for acting like their opinions are right while I assume to know people personally and make meaningless threats that do nothing but expose that I am a mentally deficient hypocrite” – well you don’t see it that way, because you are also blind and don’t posses the mental aptitude to improve yourself. I’m happy that you are stupid and ignorant though, it keeps you having fun without realizing you are a mental midget.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I should say your “persona” is stupid. Because a big bad gangster like yourself has multiple personas on multiple websites lmao or whatever you said the other day. What an idiot

  • shutup

    I am 6’6″ and 295 and I had bigger guys try to knock me out, and I train hard weekly, so I stand by what I said. I’m fully aware of the possibility of stronger guys and tougher guys being out there but these two put no fear in my heart…at all. Like I said I’ve seen more done more than most. Vegas is like the worlds @sshole, Ive had situations that the avg person will never have to deal with; people come here and act an @$$ regularly, the clubs I work with cover all walks of life, we have Urban nights (throwback old school) we have alternative lifestyle nights (GLBT) and on the regular we have roughly about 2,000 people through the door from all over the world, so forgive me if these b!tchmade m%thaf%^kas dont impress me. I work with at risk youths and seen gangfights break out at at memorial basketball games. The other day I had to wrestle a marine on leave who was suffering from ptsd, like I said I know what the f#ck I’m talking about.

  • shutup

    as for NBK its not thinking that your opinion is right its the disrespectful way that you do it, and not just to me, its annoying. I dont know why you feel you need to talk down to people all the time but it probably has to do with that middle to upper-class upbringing that your pasty @$$ parents gave you, probably coddled you into the spoiled brat you are, and now you impregnated a black woman for one of two reasons to a) feel closer to the struggle you try to identify with because deep down you feel bad for the financial advantage you had growing up, or b) trying to rebel against society and your family. Even if those two reasons are off, the fact remains that your a pompous @$$hole, and when I first got here I thought allenp was the internet bully on this site so I spoke up, but low and behold your the resident bully and treat people with very little respect when their opinions differ than yours, but as you get older you realize your folly, maybe even fatherhood will knock some sense in to you, trying telling a diaper thats its wrong for being full of sh!t or argue with a baby that it should stop crying because you have stats that say a clean diaper and a bottle should yield silence 88.7% of the time. I wish nothing but the best for you. Have a blessed day.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I hope you don’t think I read that. I don’t give a damn about you or your opinion dummy

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @shutup:
    You should check out our brother, Jukai…

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    But as is such, you don’t think internet bullying is fun? lol
    I love when one of our brethren makes an error, and comes at me in a bullying manner. I am fond of being the guy that a “bully” runs into. It gives me a chance to “educate” our masses. You know?
    Now, normally, I don’t “bully” anyone on the internet, or in the real world.
    I’ll come up here and partake in some playful ribbing, but…
    I don’t know.
    To each is their own.
    Peace.

  • shutup

    @Philo cant say I ever had a run in with Jukai. Like I try to express multiple times, I treat my life like a learning experience, each situation presents me a chance to learn something about myself while studying other people, if I can avoid the pitfalls and the follies of others my journey will be less perilous. Neither Malcolm or Martin but a combination of both, dont like to fight but if I have to fight I fight to win. You cant openly disrespect someone and then say oh thats out of bounds, saying an idea that someone comes up with is idiotic is just as disrespectful as me saying his wife got pregnant by the barista at starbucks imo. I’ve spent my whole life evolving my perception of basketball and this world and as such I am always open to any form of enlightenment, learned just as much from gang members as I have with men of the cloth, so for him to think he could just talk down to people is wrong, I’m not one of his kids, respect is earned and disrespect shall be met with a swift an ever more disrespectful reply. and everyone that just writes me off as some idiot, well I feel sorry for them, and they should remember that worshiping false idols is a deadly sin.

  • shutup

    @nbk, I know you read it, and your lack of reply gives me quiet satisfaction in knowing that my assessments are close enough to silence your ever rambling insulting posts. Buy pampers, stay away from huggies and if money is tight Walmart has Parents choice.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    yeah it really doesn’t matter how much you weigh, or how tall you are on the internet jack@ss. and I hope you don’t think for one second that your nonsensical babbling about fights you’ve been in and trannies really intimidates us. Stop replying shutup. you looked like weirdo and an @sshole before but if you keep this up they’ll probably ban you.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t read it. It probably echoes the same ignorant sh*t the rest of your comments do. You have never once been close to hitting a chord with my life. Not in the ball park. But take my ignoring your rambling bullsh*t with whatever quiet satisfaction you want, as I said, I’m happy that you are stupid. That is the only conceivable way someone can be so confidently ignorant. Even after repetitively being told they don’t know what they are talking about. If you aren’t actually stupid and this is just how you act, then I feel bad for the people who have to act like they love you. Have fun watching the all star game big 6’6 295lb Internet thug.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @shutup:
    Respect the insight.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And you came in here disrespecting everybody jackass. Talk about us earning respect? You came in here like an angry emotionally scarred teenager. And then proceeded to disrespect people you know nothing about. Saying an idea/opinion of yourS is stupid is attacking you, not your wife who isn’t here and has no place in this discussion. It has nothing to do with your race. Or anything other then the mind that is guiding the fingers that are typing. Defend yourself with something logical, don’t get ass hurt becaus someone finds your ideas to be wrong or idiotic, defend yourself with reason ad prove it isnt. Lashing out is immature. And defending your actions as “of the same level of insulting” or whatever is even more so. Be a man, not a child.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    …..sounds like somebody had personal problems on this thread.

  • shutup

    Actually, I never disrespected anyone who didnt address me disrespectful first, and even that list is small; in all reality it only contains you and your lil b!tch datkid. Never said anyone has to earn my respect thats too egotistical to even sound like me, but your egotism is on full display, now that your starting to speak in groupthink I see where datkid gets it. My opinion is a product of my life and; life has been affected by my race, or lack thereof. and I value my opinion probably more so then you do your wife, who should have never been brought into a discussion by you to validate you not being a racist. Defend myself? no buddy, i dont get defensive, I prefer to attack, best defense is a strong offense imo.and finding my ideas idiotic is fine, but calling my ideas idiotic is unnecessarily insulting, thanks for your insight, but I have never called someone an idiot or insulted them for having a different opinion, unlike you. Like I said once you disrespect me; the gloves come off. and not an internet thug, just a man with my own brain and world view.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    In your first commenour ever you called Allen a racist. Or said his comments are racist. Without him ever saying anything to you. Ignorantly disrespectful right off the bat. Hypocrite.
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    ” I’m not one of his kids, respect is earned and disrespect shall be met with a swift an ever more disrespectful reply.”
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    Those are your words. Jackass.
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    “Never said anyone has to earn my respect thats too egotistical to even sound like me,”
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    Those are your words. Jackass.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I f*****g LOVE this site…

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/11/kevin-durant-finds-the-nba-lockout-sickening/ nbk

    If anyone is interested in Shutup(allenp’s) introduction to us, and glaring proof to everyone that he doesn’t actually practice what he preaches you can click my name. (and the worst part, he got worse over the next few days but I’m not wasting time looking for that)

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/11/kevin-durant-finds-the-nba-lockout-sickening/ nbk

    Oh and an offense has to score buckets, not put up bricks. Considering you haven’t been right or anywhere close with a single one of your stupid ass assumptions your offense is beyond weak.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    never said I wanted anyone to earn my respect, reread what you re-posted. its cute that even out of context the truth is still in those words; and my first post on this site was under the name duhwinning click my name for that link, and I stand by my statement that Lebron played better hs footbal then allenp @10:40 and I took his reply as an insult. So point out one instance where I disrespected someone first, jackass. Its funny how you state things as fact that arent, and if you focus on defense all you do is try not to lose, when you focus on offense your focusing on winning. That maybe too deep for your shallow mind though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    to clarify, yes respect has to be earned, but only if you want respect in return. If you dont mind getting disrespected back, do what you feel. I use this site to express my opinion and get feedback on such, not to preach my opinion and degrade others in the process.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/11/kevin-durant-finds-the-nba-lockout-sickening/ nbk

    You took it as an insult. Because you’re ignorant. .nothing insulting, and nothing that had to do with you.
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    You said “respect is earned” – there is no taking that out of context, you said it as if it is your own belief. If you meant it in a different context you failed. You just need the ability to read and admit your mistakes.
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    If you can’t see that you came here, made assumptions, presented your opinion as fact, then reacted like you are emotionally scarred when you were told you were wrong then well, you are stupid. Or don’t have any semblance of how to read and type. The two are different. One is fact.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/11/kevin-durant-finds-the-nba-lockout-sickening/ nbk

    And for the record, I respect everyone’s opinion when it is presented from a respectful person. Your opinion, I cannot respect. Because I don’t respect you, or your online “persona” – I find you to be disrespectful (obviously), racist, and either stupid or confused. And I will continue not to show you any semblance of respect until you realize the difference between debating about the opinions we offer, and the lives we live outside of this forum.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Shout out @nbk & shutup…

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/11/kevin-durant-finds-the-nba-lockout-sickening/ nbk

    Lol I can’t believe you are reading this crap

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    lmao, respect has to be earned if you want respect back, why is that so hard for you to understand???? Yes simpleton, respect is earned but in its own right so is disrespect, at least from me, it is. Made an assumption that Lebron was a better football player than 99% of the people on this site and definitely better than a reporter, yeah if thats a wild assumption, I guess i’m wild then. And honestly you are a bold face liar, I have seen you disrespect people for introducing ideas contrary to your own, sh!t it happened in this post before we got into it. and I will never respect you because you have no clue that a person should invest part of himself in his opinion and stand by his words, and when someone; such as yourself insults that idea you are in fact insulting and degrading that person.

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    Oh on another note Philo if you like underground rap, check out knaan the dusty footed philosopher

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/11/kevin-durant-finds-the-nba-lockout-sickening/ nbk

    My conversation with Lakeshow? Lol believe it or not but I have a history with just about everyone in here. His opinion when it comes to LeBron is clouded. Just like his opinion about Kobe and the Lakers. Plus I told him it was my fault I was ruffling feathers to waste time (because I have the ability to admit when I do something selfishly that I don’t really mean to do to anyone, like piss him off).
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    Investing part of yourself in your opinion, and calling people racist and fake and including their families are totally different. My opinion represents my understanding, which also can represent intelligence. It doesn’t, represent my personal life, where I came from, or even my education, which again you have repeatedly been wrong about.
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    And I understand what you are saying about respect, it doesn’t change the words you typed which make you look like you are responding out of stupidity or confusion (as I’ve been saying).

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Yes, nbk.
    This is like soap operas for men. lol

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    Just because you try to twist my words, the meaning I laid forth with them still stands true. So you admit you stir up sh!t to rile people up, its a start that we both agree that your flame baiting is on purpose. And yes I’ll call people racist when they make racist comments, or something I perceive as racist, but in the same breathe can admit when I’m wrong, but seeing how racist is closely related to feeling superior, its not that big of a fallacy to take some of allens comments as such, but I have backed off the racist stuff and see allen for the purely superior style of commenting that he invokes at times. What if I told you my ideas are like my children? I invest myself in them, and in many ways are closer to me than any child could be or any family could be. I’ve spent my whole life developing my perception, that being said love for a child is completely different. Who are you to tell me how I should take an insult that you throw around casually? I know guys that would seriously hurt you for looking at them wrong, is that how I am, no far from it, but like I said you insult me slightly I insult you more. F$ck you if you think I went to far, maybe you should learn how to talk to people and show that the same family I insulted provided you with some sense.

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    I’ll list what I know about you, you tell me where I’m wrong. Your White have a black wife live in some southwest state, went to an expensive college, Arizona or some sh!t with the seven floors of whores, your about to have a kid have a middle class job (probably office work) and you own your own home at 23. which leads me to hypothesize either you or your wife come from money because @23 people that dont come from money cant afford a house and you didnt play college ball, by your own admission but you believe you could have made the team, you think of yourself as having a higher than avg IQ but probably fall within the slightly above avg mark, like a 1100 on your sat maybe a bit higher definitley scored higher on math than verbal, I’m guessin like a B+ student with some safe major like accounting, or business. So how close am I?????

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    I’ll list what I know about you, you tell me where I’m wrong. Your White have a black wife live in some southwest state, went to an expensive college, Arizona or some sh!t with the seven floors of wh0res, your about to have a kid have a middle class job (probably office work) and you own your own home at 23. which leads me to hypothesize either you or your wife come from money because @23 people that dont come from money cant afford a house. and you didnt play college ball, by your own admission but you believe you could have made the team, you think of yourself as having a higher than avg IQ but probably fall within the slightly above avg mark, like a 1100 on your sat maybe a bit higher definitley scored higher on math than verbal, I’m guessin like a B+ student with some safe major like accounting, or business. So how close am I?????

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Shout out to “Nadia’s Theme” by Mancini…

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    shutup I decided independently that you were @ss longgggg ago… groupthink has nothing to do with it. You can keep thinking everybody else feels differently if you want you, but you should know that that probably isn’t true.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/11/kevin-durant-finds-the-nba-lockout-sickening/ nbk

    Not very close. Got facts that have already been stated close, that’s it.

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    oh datkid, if you only had a brain. @NBK I dont expect you to be honest about it. But if you wanna point out where I’m wrong we can further progress with your therapy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/11/kevin-durant-finds-the-nba-lockout-sickening/ nbk

    And when I talk about you calling people racist I was not just referring to the way you went at Allen. But seeing as how you contradict yourself in consecutive comments I can see that you don’t really remember all the ignorant sh*t you say. There is a reason you know personal information about me. It was to prove, with a fact, that you make ignorant assumptions (and present them like a disrespectful asshole with a superiority complex). I am done trying to open your eyes. Saying that you are dense or stupid doesn’t even do it justice. I am convinced you just don’t want to see how you act so stupidity is like a defense mechanism. You do seem either well educated, or just experienced, but you comment like a juice-head who just got dumped infront of his mom. Life is better when you aren’t angry and frustrated. Trust me. Oh and acting like you are smarter then people and trying to analyze them to a personal level while your trying to complain about them for acting superior is why I have continued to entertain you. Never have I seen someone openly contradict their complaints so often in my life. Sh*t is hilarious. “Therapy” – with your big expensive education? Or is it because you think someone constantly telling you that you’re consistently wrong how therapy goes? Have a bad experience with a therapist? Or was that just a really sh*tty joke because you ignorantly thought your assumptions were accurate? Oh poor big giant Internet thug who has foster kids and works as a bouncer. Aren’t you scary and deep…

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    Nbk is my hero.

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    Lmao , all I read in that post was that your angry and frustrated, tell me how that makes you feel? oh and yes you do entertain me. I’m just trying to walk through life like a fun house mirror, I mimic what I see but over exaggerate it, if for some reason you dont like what you see, well then maybe you should change what you put in front of me. as for ignorant assumptions just because you have a black girlfriend wife whatever doesnt mean your not racist, seriously think about one of her ex-boyfriends that were black lmao how does it make you feel? insecure? angry? inadequate? I’ll give you a pass…say that word you think, you know you wanna say it. I’m going to listen to some Bon Jovi and contemplate whats next for our sessions.

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1122425/index.htm nbk

    “all I read in that post was that your angry and frustrated” – considering that’s in the middle of the comment and it doesn’t say that…..oh never mind. You Are Stupid. Fin.

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    last word “thend”

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