Friday, February 10th, 2012 at 8:35 am  |  158 responses

Post Up: Men Of a Certain Age

L.A. needs OT to take out Boston, the Kings upset OKC and wins for the Rockets and Ws.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

Four games from last night, and while they were entertaining as usual (thanks TNT!), the biggest news of the night was the naming of the All-Star reserves for the East and West squads. And, since this is my party blog and I do what I want here, I’d like to give you my picks—just one of a baker’s dozen worth of ballots that made up the official SLAMonline list. Here’s who I would have had in Orlando. Keep in mind my NBA watching has been schizophrenic this season as I try to keep you all abreast of every game at once. But for what it’s worth, here goes, with ones who did not make it in italics:

East: Andre Iguodala, Paul Pierce, Chris Bosh, Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Kyrie Irving, Ryan Anderson
West: Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Russell Westbrook, Paul Millsap, Ty Lawson, Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay

Lakers 88, Celtics 87 (OT)

Sure, this rivalry was more fun a few years ago, but even with more years on their bodies, Celtics-Lakers is always a fun watch. Then again, both teams shot sub-40 percent last night and a combined 7-34 from three-point range. All you need to know is Boston head coach Doc Rivers had this to say after the game, “I thought this was an awful game.” More awful for his team, in the end. Kobe Bryant scored 27 points (11-24 FGs), Pau Gasol had 25 points and 14 boards, and Andrew Bynum had 16 and 17 as L.A. edged Boston in overtime. The Lakers are 15-11 after seeing Kevin Garnett take a season-high 23 shots—he only made 6, finishing with 12 points. To end the fourth quarter, a Kobe jumper drew iron but Gasol was there for the tip-in, and the Celtics’ final chance with the ball ended with a Mickael Pietrus fadeaway from 35 feet out. Yeah, what a way to send it to overtime! It’s at that point that my Twitter timeline provided some laughs:

In OT, Bynum tipped in a Kobe miss to take a 1-point lead after a pair of Pierce jumpers. On the game’s last possession, another Pierce J rimmed out, and Gasol blocked a seemingly wide-open Ray Allen putback that would have allowed the Cs to come away with a sneaky buzzer-beater. The Cs (14-11) were led by 22 points from Allen and an 18/9/7 line from Pierce.

Warriors 109, Nuggets 101

Denver entered halftime with a 4-point lead, but Golden State won the third quarter 37-20 and got a season-high 36 points from Stephen Curry to improve to 9-14. Curry had 33 through 3 quarters, and his line included 7 boards and 7 dimes, while Klay Thompson added 19 points off the bench and the Warriors shot 52 percent from the field in taking down the suddenly reeling Nuggets. That’s five losses in a row for Denver, clearly still struggling to find a rhythm without Danilo Gallinari’s 17 ppg. Five straight is the longest losing streak in five season for the Nuggs (15-12, 7-7 at home), who were led in scoring by Arron Afflalo’s 26 points, 15 from Nene and 10 rebounds and 8 points from Kenneth Faried, who remains in the staring lineup. The Warriors stepped up on D, finishing with a ridiculous 14 blocks (to Denver’s 1), including 5 from Ekpe Udoh, who played played 21 minutes, scored 0 points on 3 shot attempts and picked up 5 fouls. It wasn’t pretty, but the Ws got it done.

Rockets 96, Suns 89

Channing Frye scored 21 points and grabbed 10 rebounds, and Steve Nash had a very Nashean night, with 14 points (7-7 shooting) and 13 assists, but the Suns could only muster 13 points in the fourth quarter and the Rockets bench outscored Phoenix’s 57-13. In fact, Houston’s bench scored more points than the Suns’ bench played minutes (56). Houston is now 16-11, led last night by Luis Scola’s 16 points, 14 apiece from Kyle Lowry and Patrick Patterson, and an 11-point, 11-assist game off the bench from Goran Dragic. Coach Kevin McHale has now essentially thrown his normal player rotation out the window in consecutive games—the Rockets reserves played so much that Kevin Martin (18.7 ppg) logged just 13 minutes and scored 2 points, while all five guys who came in off the bench scored in double figures.

Kings 106, Thunder 101

In the fight to save a city’s franchise, prime time TV games are pretty important, which is probably why the Kings put on a show for a national audience. It was fun to watch, but Sacramento is still 10-16 and remarkably underwhelming when not in the spotlight. That said, give them credit for a huge W last night over the Thunder. OKC turned the ball over 6 times in the fourth quarter (23 in the game) to allow the Kings to come back from an 8-point deficit and come out on top. SacTown finished off the game with nine free throws, and despite not registering a field goal over the last 2 minutes, beat the best team in the West. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook combined for 60 points (33 for Russy, 27 for KD) and Serge “Insert Nickname Here” Ibaka had 10 blocks, but Oklahoma City couldn’t execute down the stretch. That, and they had all they could handle with Tyreke Evans (22 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals) and DeMarcus Cousins (19×9) doing work, and Marcus Thornton (15 points) hitting a couple clutch threes in the game’s waning moments. Poor OKC, only 20-6 on the year with the loss. Although, I would point out that it’s concerning to have Ls to the Wiz and Kings.

Line of the Night: Stephen Curry — 36 Pts (13-17 FG, 6-9 3PT), 7 Reb, 7 Ast, 2 Blk

Dunks of the Night: Channing Frye on Samuel Dalembert, Nene on Dominic McGuire and Russell Westbrook on no one in particular slash the entire city of Sacramento. Lawd.

Funny of the Night: The Celtics are some weird dudes, eh?

Tonight: A dozen games on tap on Friday night, which means our man Pete’s social plans will have to wait. It all starts with a handful of entertaining early games, including Clippers-Sixers, Hawks-Magic, and yes, Heat-Wizards! ESPN’s doubleheader has Lakers-Knicks at MSG for Part I—will the Linsanity continue??—and Part II features Jazz-Thunder in the battle of teams without an ‘s’ at the end of their mascot name. I’m staying away from my computer for the weekend and hoping NYC’s weather wil be nice enough to get in a run of my own. Suggest y’all do the same!

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  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Adelman. Rubio (not because of him as an individual, but because of how much harder the whole team plays with him on the court). Love. In that order, in my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Maybe I have an irrational hatred of Igoudala because he got sporty after Iverson left and said some things about not getting enough shots. I’ll admit that I do have a bias there.
    But I can’t condone never learning how to shoot. He’s a professional, he knows that’s his weakness. WHY CAN”T HE SHOOT?
    Sorry, but for some reason, I just am bothered by dude. It must be the Iverson thing.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Agree with Caboose. Adelman is fantastic. Rubio is a great playmaking PG. Love is improving. I will say this though. You don’t know what your talking about and don’t have an unbiased eye if you don’t think Love is in the discussion for best PF in the L currently.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    You like my proportions then nbk?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Aldrige/Gasol are better PFs.
    15/10 is a very good season for any PG let alone a 38yr old but it’s not a “monster” season. DRose (25/4/7) last season had a monster year. When CP threw up 22/11/5 a couple of seasons back, that was a monster year. Magic damn near had a monster year ever season during his prime.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually every pro in the league who plays on the perimeter and doesn’t learn how to shoot makes me absolutely disgusted. lol, but I have an affinity for shooting that I know makes atleast part of my anger illogical. So i try and hide it. — Anyway, other then Iguodala’s scoring level, he is ELITE, everywhere. Top 5 playmaking SF’s in the league. Top 5 Defensive Wing (both as an individual & team defender). And he has even become an elite rebounding SF this season. The guy does everything other then score. And he does it better then almost anyone at his position (not named LeBron James)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor, Nash is shooting 57% from the field. 45% from the 3pt line. And he leads the league in assists. I’m sorry but 15 and 10 with that efficiency, is a monster season.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m just repeating what I’ve heard numerous times about Love. I honestly don’t know. I can’t be mad if you have him as the best, and I can’t think of anyone I can say without a doubt it better than him.
    But, I also can’t say that when I watch him play I think “That’s the best power forward in the League right there.”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’d prolly go 60, 30, 10 Caboose. But its semantics lol

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Haha fair enough. And Allen, the knock against Love is efficiency. I don’t like that shooting percentage.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I was just reading on the “NERD” rankings that Love’s “true shooting %” is 57%… WTH is that all about?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    True Shooting Percentage; the formula is PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA)). True shooting percentage is a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Caboose’s comment about proportions definitely needed a “pause.”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Caboose’s comment about proportions definitely needed a “pause.”

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Gotcha. Does it mean anything to be a good “True shooter” or is it just a way of making weird stats?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol it is really a better reflection on Perimeter players. But yeah it means something. If the player shoots 3pt shots it helps tremendously for those that have trouble rationalizing how efficient a 40% 3pt shooter is. Take Kevin Love v Lamarcus Aldridge (who I personally think is better) – Love shoots 45% from the field, which for a low post player seems average, at best. Compared to Aldridge who shoots 50%. You would immediately assume that Aldridge is the more efficient scorer, as anyone looking at that stat probably should. But then you look at true shooting %, and you can see that because Love is a threat from 3 he is actually a more efficient scorer then LA (.578TS% to .556TS%)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It means that all of the shooting you do in a game is accounted for, and it recognizes the benefit certain players derive from getting to the free throw line regularly. Like say Russell westbrook.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Thank you sir nbk. Uggh, Allen too.. ;) Makes sense. I always was curious how to account for someone who shoots threes into regular FG%. Good stuff.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    Personally right now I think love kinda might be… defense aside. I prefer a healthy Zbo to him tho.

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    @Caboose, that is sweet you and Ryan Anderson went to the same schools. Were you guys friends at all? My Mom and his Mom are actually friends and I went on a vacation with them when Ryan was like 13 and just a normal sized kid. Then he got huge and decided to play bball and has worked his tail off to get where he is. Congrats to him. Bella Vista alumni BTW. Sacramento County Represent! *spits out tobacco and drives off in an 88 Bronco*

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    nice breakdown @ 4:19 nbk. That makes it much clearer how that stat can be used.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk, fair enough but if you consider those numbers to be having a “monster season” for Nash then what do you consider the numbers he put up during his MVP seasons? Rare or unheard of? I know PER isn’t the most accurate way to judge players but Nash highest PER for a season is 24.1 (this year). Compare that to other great seasons for PGs (CP-29.9PER, Magic-27PER, Oscar-26PER) and you will see that dude is having anything but a monster season.

  • webstarr

    “Men of a Certain Age”…HA!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor, I’m actually happy you used PER to argue your point, didn’t see that coming. — Am I comparing Nash to the best seasons of all time, or am I talking about him deserving an all-star birth? If he doesn’t make the all-star team, with those numbers, wouldn’t you say he had a “monster season for a non-all star”

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Lol I know I phrased that horribly.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No problem Albert. I enjoy these discussions. Actual information being exchanged. Nobody getting all sensitive or b*tching about anything.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk, I used PER because it seems like you ignored the numbers I pointed out from different PGs that consitituted the words “monster season”. Nash at 15/10 on a under .500 team doesn’t warrant the word “monster”. Also, I like how you ignored his defensive numbers because we all know there’s nothing monster about that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ok this is a semantic argument Taylor. I clearly don’t consider a monster season one of the best seasons ever, and you do. Steve Nash is having an “All-Star season” or he’s “one of the 12 best players in the conference” those statements work fine. I’ll take monster back, because I didn’t at all mean it in terms of comparing to the best seasons from PG’s in history. I was merely talking about the All-Star team. I thought that was implied.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t see a better point guard than Nash who didn’t make the All-Star team in the West.
    That’s just the truth. All the other point guards and even players being considered are not better than Nash.
    I love Lowry and defensively he slays Nash, but as far as who is more valuable to any team in the League for this particular season, it’s still Nash. He makes people better, crazy consistent and he doesn’t need a crapload of shots to be dangerous.
    Who didn’t make it that you feel is a better overall player than Nash?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How many “monster” seasons have there been in the history of the NBA? If you consider Nash to be having a monster season then the last 8 seasons of his career can all be considered monster seasons.
    According the the dictonary, the definition of monster is “something extraordinarily or unusually large”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    like i said, i was saying monster in the context of an all-star season. not in terms of a historical season. get over it.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    PGasol.
    nbk, my fault. I ignored most of your comment when I saw the word monster. It’s a foolish argument anyways because Nash is obviously having an all-star type season but I just feel that he didn’t deserve to make it over a couple other cats.

  • davidR

    loll albert. that’s exactly how i picture people from sacramento to act

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah man it’s all good. I figured you were just replying based on my use of the word monster out of context. It’s my bad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    that Deron for westbrook trade would be great for both players.

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    I want to believe that NBK and Allenp both paused over Caboose’s comment, and it wasn’t just Allen responding with the wrong name. That would make it that much better.

  • AdamD

    I do not know how the rest of the game will unfold but as of this moment against the Lakers, Lin has scored 9 and assisted on the other 2 Knicks buckets… This run is beginning to verge on madness. As for last nights games, really enjoyed Boston vs. Lakers, but pau deserves so much credit for rescuing that final defensive possession, they such never give up the rebound but that was heads up for him to contest and block. Shocker in Sac-town too.

  • Myung

    So for all those people who kept saying “Wait ’til he plays a real defense…” I hope they man up and just give the kid his props. I’m a BIG fan of his, but even I doubted him after two games but after that Washington game, I came on here and admitted (gladly) that I was wrong. He’s having one heck of a first quarter tonight. I wonder if Kobe’s heard of him by now.

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    LIN!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    CP is the best crunch time player in the L and has been for the past 5 seasons.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    To all the people who said Lin was “an NBA player but not a starter,” or “he’s only good against bad defenses”… ROFL! At you. That is all.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: Lowry’s team is now 3rd or 4th in the West. Nash’s will not even sniff the 8th seed. Nash IS important to his team, but since Phoenix sucks anyways, just how important is he? If anything he’s hurting the Suns because his stellar play keeps them out of the playoffs but still not sh!tty enough to get a lottery pick. Lowry should have made the All-Star team, plain and simple.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lin is definitely better then I expected. But I’m still not buying into him as a big-time player long term.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    nbk I feel like I should thank you on Jeremy Lin’s behalf… Your skepticism is like a reverse jinx. Good job, holmes. The Knicks really appreciate it.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Keep in mind, Lin is shooting close to 60% from the field and making game-winning defensive plays (the charge he drew at the end of the fourth). He is also hitting long jumpers–something people said he couldn’t do. Clearly he can.
    I don’t think you people realize how atrocious the Knicks are without Melo and Amare. Yet Lin has actually made them a better team. That’s insane.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah he can “clearly” keep up 60% from the field after 3 games? He’s the best player ever now? What he’s doing is great. But stop acting like he is a majestic galloping unicorn.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    But what happens when Melo comes back? I appreciate Lin and his talent but it’s been only 4gms.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Maybe not, but he’s done it over 4 games. I’m not going to make any predictions–all I’m saying is we should be able to enjoy what he brings without having to doubt him every game. Name me 1 point guard who could average 25+ ppg over even four games while shooting that high a % from the field? He’s not a majestic galloping unicorn but he’s got Tyson Chandler and Steve freaking Novak both looking like one.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m more excited to see what Lin-to-Amare than Lin-to-Melo. Amare is the perfect complement to a D’Antoni point guard. Melo… I don’t know.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    he’s damn close to a majestic galloping unicorn right now. I’m enjoying it too the fullest of my ability lol – but I’m not over-reacting abOut it. I was wrong about how good he is, if I ever actually said on here, but I doubt he really is a MGU

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