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Tuesday, February 7th, 2012 at 8:35 am  |  240 responses

Post Up: The Takeover

One night after the NFL took a final bow, the NBA delivers an amazing night of games.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

Usually it’s obvious which game from the previous night was the “best,” which one had the most intrigue, the best game-winning play of the best performance. Last night, it was impossible. It seemed like every game had something awesome going on. Even if, in New Jersey’s case for instance, it was only their fresh throwback unis. So interpret “The Takeover” however you want—it could be Jeremy Lin, the Sixers, Kobe’s big record, the Wizards getting a rare W, or a half-dozen other storylines. With that in mind, let’s get to it, starting with a great slate of early games.

Sixers 95, Lakers 90

Game one of a crazy night of hoops was a hell of a way to get things going. Kobe Bryant came out in his “hometown” looking like he was ready to send a message, scoring 24 points in the first half (28 overall) and passing former Laker teammate Shaquille O’Neal for No. 5 on the NBA’s all-time scoring list on a second-quarter jumper. But the Sixers didn’t care about history, taking a one-point lead into the fourth quarter and finishing the Lakers thanks to a monster final period on both ends of the court. Lou Williams scored 14 of his 24 points in the fourth, and Philadelphia stifled Kobe—holding him to 1-10 shooting in the quarter—to improve to 18-7 on the year. On top of KB’s record-setting night, Andrew Bynum had a ridiculous 20-20 game, Pau Gasol chipped in a 16×11 double-double, and Los Angeles outrebounded the Sixers 55-30. But the Lake Show went away from Bynum down the stretch and LouWill got his clutch on with a game-tying jumper and the go-ahead three-pointer to seal the victory for Philly. Jrue Holiday (who our own Tzvi Twersky pointed out is himself a shocking reminder of how long Kobe’s been around) added 13 points and 6 dimes for the Sixers, who host the Spurs and Clippers later this week.

Wizards 111, Raptors 108 (OT)

When you’re a Washington Wizards/Lizards fan, you know that no lead is safe. Ever. Just ask Michael Ruffin. (Side note: I know exactly where I was when that happened, and I get physically ill watching the replays, to this day.) So when the Wiz went up by 18 points late in the third quarter, I knew it wouldn’t hold up—but, I was delighted at the chance to flip over to some of the night’s more entertaining matchups. As usual, DC allowed the Raptors to get back into the game, even without Andrea Bargnani, and had to take it to overtime to finish the Raps, who literally did not score one field goal in the extra frame (0-8 shooting). The Wizards now have 5 wins on the year, including 2 against Toronto and 2 against Charlotte (hey, I’ll take it). A confused Javale McGee provided the GIF of the night, and some of the stat lines from this game were otherwordly. For the Wiz, John Wall scored 31 points, plus had 5 rebounds and 7 assists, Nick Young dropped 29, and Linas Kleiza and Jerryd Bayless scored 30 each for the Raptors. Last thing: if the Wizards win a game but no one’s there to watch it, does it still count in the standings?

Clippers 107, Magic 102 (OT)

Chris Paul had 29 points, 8 assists and 7 rebounds as the Clippers overcame a 15-point deficit to send the game to overtime, and then outlasted the Magic to move to 15-7 on the season. Blake Griffin (18/10/3) could have wrapped things up in regulation by making his second of two free throws, but missed, before Jameer Nelson and Mo Williams traded would-be game-winning jumpers in the final seconds of the fourth. In overtime, the Clips got big buckets from Caron Butler, and Orlando’s Jason Richardson (20 points) couldn’t connect on a big three-ball before Paul and MoWill (who shot just 3-12 from the field, 9 points) salted the game away from the charity stripe. Griffin and Dwight Howard each had big-time finishes in this one, and Dwight put on a crazy 33-point, 14-board performance, but it was the Clips who won their sixth in seven games, while the Magic fell to 15-10.

Bulls 108, Nets 87

Even after Derrick Rose left after playing only 11 minutes (4 points) with back spasms, which he claims are nothing to worry about, the Bulls rolled past the Nets behind 24 points from Carlos Boozer, 14 points and 11 assists from CJ Watson, and a crafty 9/12/5 line from Joakim Noah. Chicago shot 56 percent from the field as a team, had 29 assists combined and led wire to wire (by as many as 32). Other than the uniforms, there wasn’t much to cheer for as the home crowd in New Jersey, as they watched non-Deron Williams starters combine for 23 points, while DWill scored 25 himself (8-16 shooting). Even the next-highest scorers for the Nets had brutal shooting nights—Sundiata Gaints was 4-11 with 12 points and Jordan Farmar shot 5-14 with 11 points. Perhaps the biggest cheers came when Brian Scalabrine entered the game in the fourth quarter. Dude is a rock star everywhere he goes these days—it’s what the kids call swagger.

Knicks 99, Jazz 88

Linsanity has reached new heights. Another night, another career-best for former D-Leaguer and fan favorite Jeremy Lin, who scored 28 points and handed out 8 assists in his first career start. Lin, who now has 53 points over the Knicks’ last two games, played an incredible 45 minutes, and led New York to a victory over the Jazz (who dropped to 13-10) on a night when Amar’e Stoudemire was grieving the loss of his brother and Carmelo Anthony limped off the court after just six minutes of action. Lin’s shown no fear—actually, he looks like he’s loving life, and who wouldn’t be. (He’ll get his next chance to prove his point guard skills against John Wall on Wednesday.) For what it’s worth, Amar’e has three 25+ point games this season, while Lin now has 2. The weird didn’t end with Lin last night, though, as Steve Novak hit 5 (!) threes en route to a 19-point night and Jared Jeffries had 13 and 8. That’s right, the “Big Three” last night for the 10-15 Knicks? Lin, Novak and Jeffries, of course. The Jazz turned it over 20 times in the game, and were led by Al Jefferson’s 22 points. Paul Millsap had 13 boards but scored just 9 points on 3-10 shooting.

Suns 99, Hawks 90

Today, Steve Nash turns 38. Last night, he posted a vintage Nash line, with 24 points (9-12 FGs, 4-4 3PTs), 11 assists and 4 rebounds, to lead the Suns past the Hawks. Nash helped Phoenix to 52 percent field goal shooting, and the Suns went on a 24-6 run to end the third quarter that blew the game open. The Suns (10-14) led by as many as 22, and held an 84-64 advantage at the end of three quarters. The Hawks (16-9) made one last comeback attempt behind Joe Johnson (17 points) and Josh Smith (18 points), forcing Nash and the rest of the Phoenix starters to get up off the bench with 4+ minutes to go and the lead cut to 11. But the Suns got a big three-pointer and one more bucket from Channing Frye, who finished with 19 points and 9 rebounds, and it was enough to hold off Atlanta. Up next for the Hawks are East foes Indiana, Orlando and Miami.

Spurs 89, Grizzlies 84

It seems like every night in this space I’m praising Tony Parker and Tim Duncan for playing their asses off (excuse my French, Tony). Parker scored 21 to go with 7 assists and Duncan racked up 19 points, 17 rebounds and 5 blocks as the Spurs beat the Grizzlies to get to 17-9 on the year. San Antonio held Memphis to just 11 fourth-quarter points, and forced the big scorers on the Grizz into terrible nights—Rudy Gay went for 18 points but shot 9-26 and OJ Mayo was 3-15 for 9 points. Marc Gasol scored 22 and Mike Conley put up a 19/6/8 line, but Memphis blew a six-point lead heading into a pitiful fourth quarter to fall to 12-13. The Spurs won their fifth straight game on the strength of Duncan at both ends—two of his blocked shots came at crucial moments down the stretch and 13 of his points came after halftime. And oh hey, a nice start to the annual “Rodeo Road Trip” for San Anton, which sees them play 9 straight road games including last night.

Kings 100, Hornets 92

New Orleans just can’t buy a victory these days. The Hornets allowed an 18-point lead to evaporate, as the Kings won the fourth quarter 31-14, behind 11 of Tyreke Evans’ 20 points in the final period, dropping NOLA to a miserable 4-21 and 2-12 at home. DeMarcus Cousins was an absolute beast inside, racking up 28 points and 19 rebounds, and Sacramento got 17 points in 26 minutes off the bench from Isaiah Thomas, who is becoming more than just a sparkplug with his Jamal Crawford-ish ability to fill it up in a reserve role. On the bright side for NO, Greivis Vasquez continues to show signs of improvement for the Hornets (he had 20 points and 9 assists) and Chris Kaman is apparently back and willing to play despite the odd saga of his past few weeks—he had 10 points and 12 boards in 22 minutes. In fact, between Kaman’s production and 19 points from Emeka Okafor, the Hornets matched the Kings with 42 points in the paint for the game. But with Jarrett Jack nursing a sore knee, the Kings took home the W.

Rockets 99, Nuggets 90

The biggest news coming out of this game (and I don’t just mean for my struggling fantasy team) was undoubtedly the injury to Danilo Gallinari, who will now be sidelined for a team that came into last night missing three normal starters. No Nene, no Afflalo, no Mozgov, and now no Gallo for Denver. Still, the Nuggets managed to shoot a decent percentage (44%), outrebound the Rockets 47-40, and score 50 points in the paint to just 32 for Houston. And yet, the Rockets won, thanks to 25 points from Luis Scola, 20 from Kyle Lowry, and 16 off the bench from Chase Budinger, who hit 5 threes. His last triple put the Rockets up 7 with a minute to play, locking in the win for H-Town, now a surprising 14-11. Of Denver’s six players to score in double figures, four were reserves, including 12 points and 15 rebounds from Al Harrington and a team-high 14 for Rudy Fernandez, who matched Gallo’s number before the starter was forced out of the game. Special shout out required to Kenneth Faried, who I had the pleasure of working with for an IYF in SLAM 155—in his first NBA start, The Manimal had 8 rebounds, 6 points and 1 blocked shot in 18 minutes.

Thunder 111, Trail Blazers 107

Was it a block? Was it a goaltend? We may never know for sure, but the video looks pretty darn convincing in the “that was clean” department. Either way you slice it, the refs gave Kevin Durant and the Thunder the bucket, sending this thriller to overtime, where OKC outscored Portland 8-4 to escape the Rose Garden with the win—only the Blazers’ second home loss of the season. Kevin Durant dunked home the last of his 33 points with less than 5 seconds to play in OT to seal the victory for Oklahoma City (19-5). Russell Westbrook added a 28/11/8 line, James Harden had 19 and OKC won the rebounding battle 59-39, but most importantly, the Thunder survived. They survived having to deal with Blazer big LaMarcus Aldridge all night long, as LMA continued to put the League on notice, scoring 39 points and looking unstoppable at times. Jamal Crawford (17 points) got the starting nod for the first time this year for Portland, since Ray Felton was injured and not playing, and Wes Matthews (18 points) and Marcus Camby (8 points, 15 rebounds) delivered nice nights for the Blazers (14-11) in the loss.

Line of the Night: A pair of Kentucky boys share last night’s award. Little man’s division: John Wall with 31 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks. Big man’s division: DeMarcus Cousins with 28 points, 19 rebounds, 3 blocks and 1 steal. Coach Cal would be proud.

Moment of the Night: This friggin’ guy…

Kobe of the Night: Kobe doin’ work—passes Shaq for 5th on the all-time scoring list.

Dunk of the Night: Jeff Teague on Channing Frye and the Suns.

Awkward of the Night: Aw, the Nets love each other. Or something.

Tonight: Six games going on tonight, highlighted by Jazz at Pacers—the only matchup that pits two teams with winning records against one another. On entertainment value alone, Kings at Timberwolves and Thunder at Warriors should be worth watching. Plus, Kyrie Irving and the Cavs are in Miami, where last time they met, the Heat won behind 35 points from Chris Bosh (not LeBron).

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  • AD

    watch out for the sixers

  • AD

    is it me or the magic offense just sucks…. jameer is good but he’s always running around in circles tryna find something and it turns out bad… Last night they just stoped goin to dwight in the post and i think they shoud have i dnt understand why people complain that dwight wants to leave. He is being a profesional on a team full of wannabe steve nash’s. STV is stressing and cant even think right. Idk but the magic situation is worse than the pistons

  • robb

    Nice record for Kobe but missing 9 from his last 10 in the 4th was terrible. And the Blazers got robbed.

  • robb

    @AD yeah how about big crybaby trying to dribble around only to turn the ball over during a crucial play? He’s so stupid, and he dares to complain about his role? Gimme a break.

  • Myung

    My Hawks stay losing (lost three straight AT HOME)… but at least I take some comfort in the success of Jeremy Lin. Good to see their FIFTH choice at PG (behind Shumpert, Douglas, Bibby, Baron) is working out for them. Mike D’antoni is John Fox, and Jeremy Lin is Tim Tebow. Coach is FORCED to play the popular Christian kid fan favorite scrappy kid, and now he looks like a genius out there.

  • kh

    Happy Birthday Nash!

  • Myung

    That Jeff Teague was sick, and I’m glad to see 900 fans were there to see it firsthand. We have the best fans. Yay.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    The Knicks win. TPU should be interesting today.

  • Justin G.

    @Nick…You just know IAMORANGE will arrive at any moment to bask in the “greatness” that is Jeremy Lin. It will be all about how they now have their point guard and when Melo gets better and Amar’e gets back from his unfortunate family issues they will then be ready to go on a run. lol

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    Jeremy impresses me. Yeah, he makes D’Antoni look like Einstein now. And Steve Nash will be playing in the league till he’s 48 (averaging 7 points and 7 dimes).

  • jimmer

    Happy birthday nash, and what’s going on in Atlanta? I’ve seen more people lined up at a bus stop. And they looked like they were having more fun than the Hawks players in any given game. Something irks me about Atlanta, like basketball is wasted on that franchise; the epitome of soulless, uninspired, un-emotive mediocrity, with an absolute ceiling of average, year in year out. Seattle loses its team, but these guys keep on rolling. Funny old world. Perhaps that’s what happens when you make Joe ‘i’m in it for the money, you were dull enough to go for it’ Johnson, your go-to guy.

  • Fat Lever

    One of the main reasons the Sixers win is because they have active hands on D. Take that statement however you want.

  • T-Money

    wow, kobe was out there point shaving in the last 3 minutes. deep fade away 3s over the outstretched arms of one the best wing defender in the league? when you have hawes covering bynum and the usc rook on pau? as i said before, depending on your rep we will only remember the makes or only remember the misses.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    I can’t believe Javale McGee did that. He makes it hard for me to defend him. So hard.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Also, would NBK and Jukai like to discuss the impact Mike D’Antoni’s system on a point guard’s career again? Because, a few months ago Jeremy Lin couldn’t stick on an NBA team and now he’s dropping 20 plus in back to back games. Now, I doubt this will last, but just the fact that it happened, and the way that it happened if you watch the games, tells you what the system does for a player who has a decent understanding of the point guard position. Which, of course, neither Toney Douglass or Shumpert have.

  • http://nba.com/celtics lights out

    Lin’s not doing anything crazy (although the scoring numbers are somewhat gaudy and won’t stick). like a friend of mine said, all he’s doing is very basic point guard things: running the pick and roll, getting to the basket, and driving and kicking it out. no Melo, no Stoudemire, and some good point guard play is all it took for the Knicks to beat a good Jazz team.

  • Myung

    He also didn’t stick on NBA teams because teams didn’t give him a chance. So there’s that too, Allen. I think your point is still somewhat valid because D’Antoni + a PG with a high basketball IQ can create beautiful oncourt basketball music, but it ALMOST sounds like you’re giving all the credit for Lin’s success to the system. I like Lin, yet I’m not crazy enough to think these sort of numbers are going to be the norm and I still think Baron will be the best PG for the Knicks IF he regains his old form (but it seems like that “IF” grows bigger and bigger with each passing day). But Lin can play. He might be NBA starter worthy, but even without D’antoni’s system, the kid should have a job in this League. He’s as good or is better than most of the back up PG’s in this League, so he’s still a rotation player at worst.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    smh…. *waits for orange to show up and hop on jermey line’s D*ck*

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Myung
    I can’t say he’s NBA starter worthy. I mean, why do you believe nobody gave him a chance? While politics do come into play in the NBA, for the most part it’s a meritocracy. If you can hoop, you can get run.
    Lin isn’t that quick, his handle is cool but not great, he can’t shoot from distance with any sort of regularity, he doesn’t have hops and his defense is ok. I mean, he would destroy the average bum like myself, but in terms of NBA talent, nothing about his skill set screams “starter.”
    However, he understands spacing, he typically makes smart decisions with the rock, he attacks the rim, and like every NBA player when he gets on a roll he can hit shots.
    With the added boost that D’Antoni’s system gives point guards, that makes him look very good. But, as NBK and Jukai have pointed out, we’ve seen this movie before with the artist known as Chris Duhon. At one point Duhon looked like an All-Star because that’s the sort of boost the system gives smart guards. Then, teams adjusted what they did to him, and his stamina and injuries came into play, and things started falling apart. Basically, I’m not saying Lin is a bum, I’m saying he was what he was before he started shining.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLAT9x0pjUc&feature=related nbk

    I’m confused as to how you think I feel about D’Antoni’s system Allen. I am fully aware of how much of a boost it gives PG’s, I just don’t feel like that is the (main) reason Nash had as much success as he did. Which imo has been proven since D’Antoni left.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLAT9x0pjUc&feature=related nbk

    I just wish Knicks fans had patience. This Jeremy Lin situation is chalk full of unrealistic expectations. He had 2 great games, one against the Nets, and one against the Jazz. Nothin to over react about. Especially considering he played 45 minutes & Steve Novak also had a career game last night, and that isn’t being mentioned at all, wonder why….

  • Jono

    I don’t know about being a starter but he definitely has a chance to have a similar career path as that of JJ Barea, who also spent time playing outside the NBA before finding a team that gives him a chance to shine and an idiotic team over paying for his services. That’s right KAHN, drafting Rubio is one right, you’ve done like 500 things wrong still.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    NBK
    How could that have been proven when Nash reverted back to his last pre-Phoenix numbers the minute D’Antoni left and Porter was hired, and then came back to his Phoenix numbers once Porter was fired and Gentry pledged his undying allegiance to the SSOL offense?
    Why am I the only one who remembers this period in history? Does nobody else remember what happened once Porter slowed the pace and made the Suns run more halfcourt offense? How Amare and Shaq were fine, but Nash was highly pissed along with some other cats and the players staged a mini-coup? Y’all don’t remember this at all?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Nah, Barea has a natural talent in excess of what is normal in the NBA. Speed. He is incredibly quick off the bounce. And, he can shoot from distance so you can’t just give him space.
    People don’t realize how important it is to have one significant skill if you want to have an extended, prosperous NBA career. Almost all players who stick around and have success have one thing they do at a very high level.
    What would that thing be for Lin?

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    My f*ckin Lakers sigh

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    You’re crazy Allen. Nash has never reverted back to his pre-D’Antoni numbers.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Sorry that was me. – the system has been similar, Gentry did commit to not changing much about the offense. But it’s not the exact same system. And Nash has been playing less and less minutes since D’Antoni left, but his only stat too drop his scoring.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Nash, go to basketball reference and check the game logs for hte first half of porter’s season. Nash was around 14 and 7 or 8 under Porter. Check it out.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Abe Schwadron

    JLin Dynasty has begun!!!!! More good ish on Lin here: http://lin-sanity.com/

  • Myung

    Allen, I don’t believe GM’s gave him a chance (he’s bounced around from Dallas to Golden State to NY in 1.5 years) because 1. He is Asian 2. He isn’t very quick 3. He is a below average defensive player 4. He was an Ivy League player. A combination of those four things.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    NBK
    2008-2009. His lowest ppg average in three years, coincides with playing more than half the season under Porter.
    If you look at the game logs, his scoring and assist totals are very respectable under Porter, but not the same as they were under Gentry when they jumped quickly.
    Nash was always an All-Star point, I’ve always said that. His game did not change in Phoenix. But the system enhanced everything he already did well. It is like steroids. It wont’ make you good, but it will make you better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They were also walking up and down the court and giving the ball to Shaq. There was not a PG on earth that would have put up big stats in that offense.

  • Myung

    When Iman Shumpert started playing well, did we start calling it the Shumpert Dynasty? C’mon, Abe. You’re better than that. Let’s not go down that path, with those sort of undertones. We’ve been through this with Yao before. I’m proud of Jeremy because he is a good role model for kids like my son, since Jeremy is an Asian American athlete who is also a devout Christian (which is even more important to me than his NBA pedigree) but the key is, he is an Asian AMERICAN. Yao Ming and Ha
    Seung Jin and Yi and those guys were all from Asia. Jeremy grew up in the states, and English is his strongest language. The difference between Serge Ibaka and Kevin Durant is that one is African and one is African American. The difference between Yao and Jeremy is that one is Asian and one is Asian American. Let’s not forget that very important and not so subtle difference. This Lin Dynasty stuff isn’t even slightly necessary.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Myung
    One and four are ridiculously unfair. I agree that he had to overcome certain Asian stereotypes, and being an Ivy League player can make people skeptical.
    But, two and three, plus the poor shooting are just as much of a problem.
    Seriously, you like dude, I’ve only seen one full game of him play. Tell me what skill you think he has that sets him apart for other point guards, particularly the ones starting in the NBA right now. In fact, excluding the Knicks, what other starting point guard in the NBA do you think he’s better than right now?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I do agree that the system is like Steroids or whatever, any open-court system would do that for Nash though. That’s what I’m saying. It’s not just because he had D’Antoni that he performed so well. He would have done the same thing with Don Nelson, Stan Van Gundy, & Doc Rivers. That’s what I am trying to say. Not that D’Antoni didn’t help

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    There might not be much left to talk about in the NBA this season if Jeremy Lin and Ricky Rubio had a fight to the death…..and both died.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They play this weekend!! Twitter is going to explode

  • Myung

    I actually left out a “not” in my original post about him, Allen (which is not so unimportant…haha), but I also thought maybe you could’ve figured out from the context of my sentence that I meant to put in “not.” But that’s not your fault for not being a mind reader so my fault for the grammatical mistake, my friend. I DON’T think he is NBA starter worthy, in general. I don’t. The NBA is chock full of really good starting PG’s (and some teams like the Clips, pre Billups injury, had 2 or 3 or even 4 guys who might be starter worthy). I simply think he should stick on an NBA roster, not be a guy who is just jerked around and sent back and forth between the D League and the League. Look, I saw him play in Vegas in July of 2010 for the Mavs, and I told my friends, point blank, that I don’t know if he had the foot speed to make it in the NBA. I was wrong. I’m glad I was wrong. I’m seriously not calling him the next great thing, nor do I think he’ll keep this up… BUT I still think he is a great story and is a genuine role model for third generation Asian Americans in this country who have always been told they are too small and/or too slow to become a professional basketball player. THAT is why I root for him. Trust me, I was never a big Yi or Ha or Wang or Yao fan. Just because you’re Asian doesn’t mean you have to blindly root for all Asian athletes. But Jeremy is different because he’s the first guy like me (I was born in Korea and speak the language fluently and am proud of my heritage BUT grew up in Atlanta and prefer English and am a proud AMERICAN) to make it to the NBA, and that’s why I root for him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Oh, yeah. I think he can play. He can make a roster, and should get a better shot to do so. Plus, the areas where he is weak are areas he can improve with more effort. He can become a better shooter by putting in work, and he can be a better defender the same way.
    The foot speed thing is a killer, particularly when you can’t shoot well because eventually teams are going to give him slightly more of a cushion on the perimeter and cut off those driving lanes. Right now, other players are playing him like they don’t respect his game, and playing him WAY to close on the perimeter and trying to pressure him into mistakes. That allows him to get to the rack a lot more or find open shooters. Once they start playing him honest, or event trapping in on the P +R like Utah did last night, it will be interesting to see how he makes them pay.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Abe Schwadron

    @Myung Meant it in the best way possible, I’m a big fan of what JLin’s done already. And I’m incredibly excited to watch him vs. JWall tomorrow night. (“The re-match”) The SLAM offices are buzzing with Lin talk today…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I respect that. And also respect a “fan” with a realistic POV on the player they are a fan of. That is refreshing.

  • Name

    For Allenp: Lin knows how to run the pick and roll, gets to the basket and can finish, gets his teammates good looks, plays defense, and above all plays his damn ass off. That’s more than can be said about 90% of the point guards in the NBA today.

    You have the mentality of a typical GM who glosses over pre-draft combine stats and fails to evaluate whether a player can actually play the game and make an impact.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Showtime

    Only thing lin has is, a BBIQ which will keep him in,( if the right system in place). everthing else is kind of average,I seen alot of him since im GS fan. but kid has hustle but he not a savior for Ny but a mini, mini step in a good direction.

  • T-Money

    i’m afraid that people are creating unrealistic expectations for jeremy lin. there’s a lot to clean up in his game before we can even debate if he is a long term solution at the point: 1- he can’t go left. at all. 2- he turns the ball over a lot. he gets passes picked off because they are too obvious and need more zip. 3- he can’t shoot beyong 15 ft. 4- his defense is suspect. i actually root for the dude because i think it’s a nice story but mike d is not doing him any favors by throwing him out there for 45 minutes.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Name, I’m sorry, but Jeremy Lin is not among the 30 best PG’s in the NBA. To say that he can do something that 90% of PG’s can’t do, while talking about a set of basketball skills is to say, literally, you have no idea what your talking about.

  • Myung

    No hard feelings, Abe. I just think if you asked most Asians who grew up in the States if “Lin Dyntasy” were an acceptable phrase to toss around, they would frown upon like I do. This isn’t Jackie Chan or Bruce Lee or Yao Ming. We’re talking about a Harvard grad who grew up here so I kind of feel like we can save those kind of lame nicknames and newspaper headlines for native Asians. Or you know, just not use them at all. It’s not 1970 anymore.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    At least he’s not a Filipino!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ZING!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    BTW….that was a JOKE people…….a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Name
    Let’s play a game. You provide with the list of the 90 percent of point guards in the NBA that Lin is better than, and we’ll discuss it rationally like adults and let everybody else determine who is right.
    Do you want to just use starting point guards or starters and backups? I don’t really know all the backups, but if we just use starters, that’s 27 point guards out of 30 that’s he’s better than.
    Go ahead and drop the list.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It’s kind of crazy to see a PG with a pulse for the Knicks since Chris Childs was there. Did I really just write that?

  • Myung

    I agree with NBK that he’s not one of the 30 best PG’s in the NBA. The reason he’s a starting PG is because the Knicks (other than maybe Baron) have three guys on their roster (Bibby, Shumpert, Douglas) who are too old, too much of a shooting guard, and way too much of a shooting guard who should never have been starting anyway. He’s not better than these back up’s: CJ Watson, Kirk Hinrich, George Hill, Earl Watson, Mo Williams, and Goran Dragic, just to name a few. But I still contend that he’s good enough to be on a 12 man roster for years to come. And even if it’s just two games, what he’s done each of the last two games, some guys would never even accomplish ONCE in their entire NBA career AND he did it under the hottest lights in all of sports (the Garden). That counts for something.

  • Myung

    eboy showing no love to Raymond Felton. None.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And as I wrote on Twitter this morning……I am absolving myself from the ridicule of the Filipino nation in that if Spo can lead the Heat to a title someday, I will refer to him only as the “Filipino Genius” from that moment on.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    He wasn’t there long enough. Neither was Chauncey, Myung.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    For the record, Golden State and Houston DID want to keep Lin. But both teams had to clear space to sign big men.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    And I didn’t think I was being unfair about dude’s game.
    T-Money provided some other good points, although I didn’t notice that he was a right handed bandit. But the passing thing was a serious problem.
    I don’t know if most people noticed this, but dude lived in the lane despite having below average quickness. That is highly, highly unusual. And when I figured out why he was doing it (mainly because players weren’t respecting his game at all) it made me concerned about his long term success. New York fans did this exact same thing to Landry Fields last year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He’s definitely good enough to be on a roster. The yoyo act between him, and D-League teams is over, atleast for this year. I just don’t like this over reacting about kid. Let him find his game in the L, let him have ups & downs. Let him grow, at least a little. Then we’ll put some kind of expectations on him. So far, to me, he looks like a non-defensive version of Keyon Dooling. But that could look totally different tomorrow.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Golden State tried to get Tyson and DeAndre.. Clearly did not get either.

  • T-Money

    myung: i kinda disagree with that. i think what he did the past 2 games, most if not all rotation nba guards HAVE accomplished at some point during their nba careers. even bums like john lucas 3, jerryd bayless, eddie house, beno udrih, chris duhon, etc. what differentiates elite guards is that they can still do it when the scouting report is out and they do it night in, night out. let’s wait and see.

  • Myung

    Guys can get to the lane using off speed moves too, Allen. I think once a guy scores 10 points on you, the “I don’t think you’re very good so I’m going to let you drive” mindset goes out the door. You best believe an assistant coach is going to tear into you if you keep letting a guy score on you. I don’t think his points are simply coming because guys aren’t respecting his game. Maybe last week, when he first showed glimpses? But by the time the Nets and Jazz games happened, I don’t think NJ and Utah defenders were disrespecting him. I just think he finding holes. I think he’s got a knack for slicing through perimeter defenders and using a change of dribble move to get there. Maybe we’re just seeing the game differently?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Keyon Dooling is a very good shooter. And, he used to be quick back with the Clippers and Heat.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Myung
    I think people still don’t believe he’s that good. And, they feel like they should be able to body up on him and pressure him into failing.
    But, in reality, all they have to do is give him some space, make him prove his jumper is legit and cut off easy drives. He telegraphs certain passes, gets a little frazzled when trapped, and is playing WAY too many minutes after playing none. (Typical Mike D, who handles his rotations worse than almost any other coach in the League.)
    Anyway, dude has decent change of pace moves, but did you notice who close Devin Harris was playing him last night? Raja Bell too. If a player can’t shoot well, why would you be playing his so close? That’s a pride thing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Keyon has not always been a good shooter. He hasn’t even been a decent shooter for that long. But yeah, the quickness thing is pretty different.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Definitely not Kenyon Dooling. What you guys think about Lin as a young Tony Parker?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Talk about a difference in quickness

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Walks in *Looks around* Doesn’t see Iamorange. Shrugs. Be back later.

  • Myung

    Bayless is no bum. The rest of them are though. I get your point, T-Money, but for every guy you named, I could probably come up with an equal number of guys who played at least 5 years in the NBA (average NBA career is slightly less than 5 years) who never sniffed 25 points in a single game even once in their careers.

  • Name

    There was nothing in my post that indicated an opinion that he is better than 90% of the PGs in the league. Just that he can do those things whereas many of those PGs today can’t/won’t. He was getting a guy like Jeffries open lay-ups. He can get to the rim despite not having great speed. He was running the pick and roll better than most starting PGs and was catalyzing an offense that was getting bench players good looks. All of that takes an understanding of the game that many of today’s PGs don’t have. To be fair though, the role of PGs in the game today has changed a lot. Most of the highly touted PGs coming out today are really “combo guards”, which is really a euphemism for shoot-first guard.

  • Myung

    BTW, thank you all for not mentioning the Hawks and their mini tailspin (0-3 on this homestand). I guess that’s because other than me, What, Lang, and maybe 3 other people in the world, no one cares about the Hawks.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Except he doesn’t do things 90% of PG’s can’t/don’t do. And he is as much of a scoring PG as anyone not named Westbrook.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCbDnPDBff4 LakeShow

    Dammit, Kobe lost that game for the Lakes… He was cooking in the first half. Just couldn’t knock down a shot in the 2nd half. Bynum was beast. 20-20. Averaging 17,12,2 for the year. BEAST. Even if Bogut were healthy I no longer would have him as the 2nd best C. That’s Bynums spot now.

  • Name

    Were there any shots that he took in the past two games that were bad shots? He was getting a lot of lay-ups, which was mainly a product of him knowing how to play the pick and roll. Ever wonder why Nash can get to the basket so often? Hint: it’s not because he’s quick. Shoot-first guards in the mold of a Westbrook, Jennings, and even Rose often put up several bad shots a game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol, he played the Jazz. And there is no scouting report on Jeremy Lin. Please try and refrain from comparing him to Steve Nash. That’s absurd. And he has scored 25 and 28 points in consecutive games. Which would make him the highest scoring PG in the NBA. How you could argue that he isn’t a score first guard is befuddling. Or it would be, if I thought you were really paying attention to your own argument.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Showtime

    @lake be prepare to say that for a few more games ,if changes are not made….

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Name
    Are you saying that he can do those things that 90 percent of the points can’t do, but he’s NOT better than them?
    It was my fault for assuming that because you said Lin could do those things he was better than the other points, but if that’s not what you’re saying, then what’s the value of those things?
    Also, he was running an offense that is absolutely built upon point guard play. That offense is like steroids for decent point guards as I said earlier. It magnifies every good point guard trait in the book, and I’ve never said that Lin doesn’t have good traits. Lots of point guards do. Say you put somebody like Earl Watson in that offense, or D.J. Augustin, or even Beno Udrih. They would shine man, because they understand the rudiments of point guard play and can do certain things well.
    But, you put somebody like Tony Douglass in and tell him to make the right decisions and it’s going to be a serious problem. If you understand how to play point, that offense will allow you to do it well. Period.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    He got a lot of layups because teams were playing him close despite the fact that he’s shown no proof of being able to shoot!
    And they didn’t hedge hard on the picks and instead stayed home and laid off him. Again, that won’t last.
    He too tough shots during that game on several occasions. Compare him to Nash is asinine.
    Nash is quicker than him, even at 38 and definitely when they were the same age, plus Nash has been a deadeye shooter for years. He gets to the rack because you can’t lay off him because he will kill him with jumpers. So you press up on him, and he can go around you, plus his handle is awesome and he can finish with either hand.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    demarcus cousins been playing pretty damn good lately.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah he has Ric. He has been a monster over the last 2. An absolute beast.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    ^ yeah hopefully he can sustain his good play because without question he has the talent, it always was and will be about his mentality.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah definitely, I picked him as MIP preseason. I really thought he’d be one of the best Centers in the league this season.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I know I’ve said this a couple of times but OKC’s 4th qtr offense is downright offensive. What the hell is Scott Brooks doing out there, he might as well grab some popcorn and sit next to the fans. There has to be something more to their offense other than KD pulling up from 35feet and Westbrook attacking the lane like a madman.
    Coaching in the NBA has gone downhill and many teams win despite the coach because of their talent advantage over most opponents , OKC and MIA are examples.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Man I was tweetin about how ugly that iso-offense is at the end of games. How a team can try and close out a team with contested 20 footers game after game is a mystery. You can’t even run a pick & roll Scott Brooks, really?

  • webstarr

    5 gets you 10: despite the early hype, the Jazz won’t make the playoffs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    You know who is slept on? Gordon Hayward. Homie can hoop for real.
    And Cousins misses a lot of shots at the rim. It’s crazy.

  • webstarr

    Allenp, he’s slept on because he gets mistaken for one of the Mormon ball boys.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Other then Hayward struggling to put the ball in the hoop your completely right. He’s going to be a solid player for a long time.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Exactly, JHarden was on the court during closing minutes of the 4th yet I don’t remember him touching the ball. There’s a reason why Westbrook has so many TOs; a lack of offensive structure. How bout some 1/3 PnR, 2/3 PnR, hell involve Ibaka in some PnR action (dude has become a reliable 10-15ft shooter). I’m curious as to why SBrooks has been able to evade criticsim for running such a purtrid offense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Harden did not touch the ball. I was as angry as I can get about late game execution. Harden is (imo) clearly the best “playmaker” on the team.

  • T-Money

    i always crack up when announcers give the ol standard white guys lines for hayward (scrappy, tough, cerebral, slow). he is none of those things. the guy is really skilled and athletic but doesn’t know how to play the game and often goes half a–ed lo;.

  • T-Money

    nbk: spot on. i’ve been saying that james harden is the more natural playmaker on the team and that okc looked more fluid in the playoffs when he was on the ball. remember that harden played the d-wade role at arizona state (2-guard who initiates the offense) whereas russ westbrook was a straight up 2. and did anybody catch the sequence with about 40 seconds left where russ was dribbling aimlessly and waved off durant TWICE before dribbling on someone’s foot? that’s the main issue with okc: everybody agrees that durant is the best player on the team… except westbrook.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah T-Money that play when RW did that, I am pretty sure I threw something at the tv.

  • http://cjzero.com/gifs/LinSwag.gif IAMORANGE4EVER

    Oops! Lin did it again! LOL! It’s good to see the Knicks with a true point guard right now. That 3-pointer Lin hit as the shot clock was about to off followed by the big grin on his face was CLASSIC STUFF at the WORLD’S MOST FAMOUS ARENA! D’Antoni isn’t joking around when he says he’s going to ride Lin like Secretariat. Do ya’ll realize Jeremy Lin played all of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter last night? He’s only the 3rd player(Dwight Howard, Kevin Martin) to do this thus far this season. Lin obviously has great stamina, but he was getting fatigued in the 2nd half, which likely led to some of his turnovers. The Knicks just don’t have the depth to afford resting Lin right now, but this will be good for Lin in the long run, because he needs all the experience he can get. ANYWAYS, which rock is Rigo under today? LOL! You still licking your wounds after proclaiming Jeremy Lin “aint ish” in the last post up? So was last night a fluke, Rigo? ;) I bet Lucas didn’t have two games in a row like that. And @datdouche did you swallow or spit last night? Don’t answer that! *LINNING*

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I agree with everything you said but you can’t expect KD to take every shot down the stretch while his teammates stand around watching. Westbrook’s ability to penetrate and finish at the rim is as important to OKC’s success as KD’s ability to hit daggers from all over the court. Also it wasn’t like KD was cooking down the stretch (dude needed 33 shots to get 33pts) and most of them (especially in the 4th) were tough contested 25 footers. I don’t get how someone can lead the L in scoring 2 seasons in a row yet people continue to claim that he isn’t getting enough touches.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Taylor, 19-4. That’s why.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    T-Money, Ric Bucher thinks RW is better then Durant.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    then again, He also think Derrick Rose is better then LeBron James.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    huh?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    You asked why no one is questioning Scottie B. 19-4… That’s the reason why.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    JLin!
    oh eboy.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Same rock I’m always living under, Orange, It’s called Alaska.
    Don’t act like I ran and hid, that’s your modus operandi.
    I don’t comment on TPU much since I’m league-pass less this year.
    I did comment on the Lin article on here tho.
    LOL, Orange is so deranged he’s getting sh*t confused now.
    When did I say Lin’s first solid game was a fluke?
    Never did, however I did say everyone can eventually have a good game.
    Now, two solid games in a row? Nice.
    I like Lin tho, you’d know that if you’ve seen my Twitter feed.
    I was cheering dude on last night.
    8 turnovers tho.
    Against the Jazz tho.
    Knicks still have a worse record than the Cavs  and Bucks tho.
    BTW, that Nets team your Knicks could barely beat?
    Bulls devoured them with Rose only playing 10 minutes.
    Ultimately, what Lin or anyone else on the Knicks do really doesn’t concern me at all, because at the end of the day the Knicks may not even make the playoffs and if they do they’ll just get another 1st round a**-kicking.
    I just hate seeing them do well because it unleashes your idiocy on us all…
     

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    MIA is 18-6 and everyone questions the sh*t out of Spo’s offense. I think the reason why the media gives a pass to SBrook’s lack of playcalling is the scapegoat/whipping boy, RWestbrook.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor, I think you are spot on.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    wait, Lin had eight turnovers?

  • http://cjzero.com/gifs/LinSwag.gif IAMORANGE4EVER

    YOU are so sensitive Rigo! LMAOOOOO. Relax!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Wow, in all this discussion no one brought up that dude had exactly as many turnovers as assists? That’s crazy.
    And, as NBK noted, the win was very much connected to Novak going off for 19 as the second leading scorer? All the danger signs are there people.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yes, 8 Assists, 8 Turnovers.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvlnYlxkbIQ IAMORANGE4EVER

    CLICK MY NAME for FULL COMPLETE HIGHLIGHTS of Jeremy Lin vs Utah Jazz last night.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Orange…seriously.
    I’m not sensitive. At all. 
    At all, bro.
    Because I post a long comment I’m being sensitive?
    What is it about my comments that imply that I’m being sensitive?
    Seriously, let me know.
    Because I’m chilling.
    But your every response to me always seems to be that I’m too sensitive, and I just don’t get it.
    Cause real life sh*t is TOO real for me to be sweating someone I never even met’s comments on an online site.
     

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Do those “full complete highlights” include all the TO’s too?
    Damnit Orange, now you got me sounding like a Lin hater when I actually like the kid.
    Lol, I just don’t think he’s the Knicks savior you obviously do.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    sensitive = pointing out facts
    in all walks of life.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    *Looks around again for Orange* Now waiting for Enig while I get the popcorn ready. If the Knicks inexplicably win their next 3 games w/o Melo and Amare, things here will get REALLY interesting. Like Tyson said last night,”..the ball moves a lot more, everyone is more involved in the game…”

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvkXmMcGfLo IAMORANGE4EVER

    Click my name to see Jeremy Lin vs John Wall in summer league. The “re-match” is this Wednesday night. I chuckle, because Lin is in a Mavs summer league uniform. Thanks again for Tyson Chandler, Cuban. ;)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvkXmMcGfLo IAMORANGE4EVER

    Allenlilpeepee, just found out Lin had 8 turnovers. You can tell he didn’t watch the game. ROFL

  • http://bulls.com airs

    man orange, im somewhat on your side with this whole j.lin thing,
    but youre making it a little too difficult

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I have never questioned Spo’s offense. I mean, I have always wondered why they don’t run more, but now they are doing that. It’s really hard to coach two great players that do the same thing, so I always have thought he has a done a decent job. Scottie B is a worse coach than Spo, but what he lacks in end of game imagination he makes up for in good team chemistry understanding. I think Scottie B will be fired if they don’t win a chip this year or possibly he might get one more year.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Let’s all have a moment of silence to let that bad joke die a little bit longer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Lol. You’re commenting on my johnson now? Wow.
    I watched the game, but I watch Knicks games with the sound off because I despise Mike Breen. So, I didn’t hear the account of the turnovers.
    Eight turnovers is amazing. That is Westbrookesque.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh dear

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    Allenlilpeepee? Hilarious. Immature but hilarious nonetheless ….

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    I’m calling it right now, the Knicks will get owned by the Wizards..

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvkXmMcGfLo IAMORANGE4EVER

    @Nick Tha Quick – Lin gets his feet wet in the paint, and creates better offense for the Knicks, and with him at point it allows the rest of the Knicks to play their natural position. This is why the offense is flowing better. The Knicks just needed a true point guard to penetrate and create. Lin gives them that. Now the Knicks just need to get healthy (Melo, B-Diddy, Jorts), and add one more perimeter player (J.R. Smith) and they’ll be good to go, and with a strong bench.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Lists ten things the Knicks need to do to be relevant. Love it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvkXmMcGfLo IAMORANGE4EVER

    Allen>p<—- see the lil p, or should I have said lower case p? LOL! As for Lin, some of those 8 turnovers he had were due to the fact Lin was clearly fatigued. Jeremy Lin played the entire 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. Give him some slack. He goes from end of bench to almost playing an entire game. Lastly, last night Lin should have had about 12 assist if you watched the game, which you didn't. There were 4 beautiful passes by Lin where guys just didn't finish inside the paint. Have a nice day. ;)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The offense is (albeit against weak defensive teams) “flowing better” because Melo isn’t playing. It’s that simple.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What are you going to say when Lin reverts back to not being very good at all Orange? Seriously. I bet you just don’t show up.

  • T-Money

    unless hubie brown is commenting, i watch nba games on mute with music in the background.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    What is wrong with Mike Breen On Hand?

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @nbk I’m not expecting Lin to average 20 plus points at all. I just expect him to continue taking what the defense gives him, and creating better shots for the Knicks offense. He clearly knows how to play point guard in D’Antoni’s offense. If you can’t see that, then you’re blind. @JTaylor21 now you’re just being dumb. Melo not having to bring the ball up so much as a point forward, and the Knicks having a true point guard is why the offense flows better.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Why would I lie about watching the game? That would be silly. I watched both games last night, Portland got hosed by the refs on that block and on several foul calls. I just didn’t count Lin’s turnovers. I don’t disagree with you on fatigue, but he still had eight turnovers and could have had more if hadn’t managed to chase down the ball or have it go to teammates when it was poked away.
    This is going to end badly when NY fans turn on dude just like they did with Duhon.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    Lin looks quicker than you give him credit for, AllenP.
    But yeah, let’s not hand him the keys to the franchise yet, Orange.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    So it’s safe to say Allenlilp is rooting for Lin to fail.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It’s safe to say Knicks fans over-react, pathologically.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    airs, trust me, I’m not handing the keys to the franchise to Jeremy Lin. He’s just filling a role on the Knicks that needed to be filled, and that is the point guard position. I’m still hopeful B-Diddy can get healthy, because I know we need both of them for depth at point guard.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    WOW, Jeremy Lin (28 points, eight assists) had the most points/assists in first career start since Isiah Thomas in ’81.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Actually I hope he succeeds because dude was so obviously happy when he hit that three pointer. The wink and tongue wag were what makes the NBA so special. I can only imagine what it must be like to fail so often at something you love, then finally get success and have that success be so much more than you could have ever imagined in your wildest dreams. I like to think that’s what that moment felt like for Lin.
    But, in this world people build you up to tear you down, particularly New York fans. They did it Ewing. To Starks. To Fields. To Duhon. To Amare. To Melo and to countless others.
    They tell you that you’re better than sliced bread until they tell you that you’re worse than dog sh*t. And they pretend like this is normal.
    Same thing make you laugh could make you cry.

  • davidR

    myung, i care about the hawks. it’s hard to follow them though, cuz i’m living in the sf bay area

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    First Allenp says, “This is going to end badly,” when commenting on Jeremy Lin playing point guard for the Knicks. Then Allenp says, “I hope he succeeds,” after being called out for rooting for Lin to fail. Keep hedging your bets with that forked tongue, Allenp.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    this is going to end badly. Every player that plays on the Knicks gets beaten down. There is not a player since the 1970′s (Walt, Willis, Earl) to leave New York without being beat down by its illogical fanbase.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Knick fans make Rex Ryan look like Nostradamus

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    It is going to end badly.
    But I still hope he succeeds.
    I can believe the worst is going to happen, and hope I’m wrong.
    Did that explain it well enough for you?
    I firmly believe that all this hype is only the set up for a horrible fall. But, I also thought the Washington Wizards could be a frisky team this year. So, I can’t predict the future, just offer opinions.
    But, to change the subject, Brandon Jennings has increased his at the rim shooting percentage to a shade below 60 percent compared to 42 percent his rookie year and 51 percent last year. Anybody notice what he’s doing differently so far this year?

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    @Allenp, definitely. Brandon Jennings has been playing a lot better than his previous seasons. He’s also been great for fantasy bball, kind of wish I drafted him now =.=

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    wow Iamaf*ggotforever you’ve really outdone yourself. It’ll be really interesting to see whether you go crying or hiding under another rock when the knicks are sucking. maybe you’ll switch teams again.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Oops. Didn’t exactly answer your question…no, don’t know. lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    kid, try to find something less offensive to call orange. I don’t really care, but some people will.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I think melo coming back will destroy that whole offense actually. Lin will probably differ too much to him and ruin things.

    If I had to guess allen it would be that he got stronger. I think that’s the only thing he was missing. He always had a great crossover and excellent quickness but his lack of strength really hurt him when he tried to go to the basket.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, idk exactly why, other then he is just making them now. But it could have something to do with the 6 threes he’s shooting a game & and the space his new found 3pt confidence is creating.

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    good point about Brandon being stronger datkid…long off-season was not squandered by all

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @orange: stop turning people who are rooting for JLin against him. a lot of us like him (since he started making noise in the summer league last year), but you are just straight annoying people.
    irrational fans are the best and worst thing about sports.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    thanks albert. that’s just a guess tho. I haven’t been watching the bucks at all. and cosign ALBIE1KENOBE. I don’t actually dislike Lin but hearing certain people talk about him makes me want him to fail.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    alright nbk. your right. I’ve been letting him rile me up way to much. No more feeding trolls.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol good plan

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    …..I still think the Knicks are kinda sorry, but that’s just me.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    I wish slam would billy goat gruff this troll.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    @ datkid, its just as irrational to form your opinion in spite of someone else’s irrational opinion.
    anyways, heard talk about Kobe being the greatest laker now?
    is that nonsense to anyone else?

  • davidR

    i’ve been debating that with my friends, airs. is kobe the greatest laker?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @airs it’s not nonsense, but he isn’t the greatest Laker. Magic Johnson is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Kobe is probably second or third.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    its nonsense to me.
    it magic, hands down. kurt rambis a close second.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It’s nonsense to me Phantom.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    This is HILARIOUS! datkid is such a hypocrite! He just said, “no more feeding trolls,” when in fact he is the troll, just like his mentor natural born douche. The truth is, I am the one who’s feeding the troll right now (my bad) by replying to this mental midget. Just look at today’s post up alone… datkid starts out trolling in today post up (see his comment towards me at 10:42 am), so of course I’m going to reply (feed him) to it (see the end of my comment at 1:52 pm). Then datdouche completely brings his douchery to another level (nbk must be a proud of you, lol) by melting down at 4:07 pm. Seriously, datdouche, if you can’t take it, then you might want to stop dishing it out, and perhaps revaluate your life!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Enigmatic: You said the other day Lin couldn’t help the KNicks. Clearly he’s helping the Knicks by winning ball games for them. The Utah Jazz are a playoff team, let’s stop pretending like he was playing against YMCA weekend ball players.
    We’ll see how far he goes, but let’s at least give him the benefit of the doubt, no? 8 turnovers is not a good look, true, but 28 and 8 on 10-17 shooting is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    ……….KURT RAMBIS???????????? Wow, I just spit up a little bit of my Pepsi.
    Man, averaging 25/5/5(I think it’s 4.7 APG but round that up it’s 5) over the course of 16 years for the Lakers and it’s nonsense for him to be in the conversation? I mean I’m no basketball historian or a guy that focuses only on stats but that isn’t really nonsense to me.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The Knicks shouldn’t hand Lin the keys to the franchise? Who else are they gonna hand them to? Iman Shumpert? They have no other option. So far it’s paid off. Like I said before, Lin is a low-risk, high-reward type of player. He was their 12th man not five games ago.
    @ Allen: I think you’re underrating his quickness. He’s no Aaron Brooks, but let’s not treat him like Derrick Fisher (in terms of speed).

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    KAJ/Magic/JWest all deserve to be ranked ahead of Kobe

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Teddy The Knicks shouldn’t hand him the keys to the franchise…yet. Lin has looked very good….but it’s only been two games, let’s wait and see how the rest of the season pans out for him.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    ….i guess the kurt rambis joke wasn’t obvious enough.
    but the question wasn’t is he in the conversation.
    i simply said he wasn’t the greatest laker ever, and i think thats obvious enough.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    also, cosign Jtaylor.
    elgin bayor might be fifth, or shaq.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I just think Magic is clearly the greatest Laker ever. He won as much as Kobe (in less tries) was a great teammate and leader, and never tried to force his way out of the city. The only thing Kobe has on Magic as a Laker is longevity. And it wasn’t really by choice.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Jerry West was great but 1 chip to Kobe’s 5?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Check out JWest’s career numers (especially in the playoffs) and what his peeers (especially Bill Russell) said about him and you will see why I’m so high on the Logo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I don’t know enough of West as a basketball player to put him ahead of Kobe. Kareem and Magic? Definitely Jerry West? I don’t know.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Fellas, I gotta tell ya, have you ever notice how certain commenter’s are notorious for playing straw-man here at SLAM? I mean, has anyone seen me, or any other Knicks fan here at SLAM, “hand the keys” of the Knicks franchise to Jeremy Lin? Has anyone see me or any other Knicks fan on SLAM say they expect Jeremy Lin to average what Lin has put up the last two games? Nope! I just want good point guard play for the Knicks, and Lin certainly has the skills and basketball IQ to provide solid point guard play in D’Antoni’s offense. One of Lin’s best attributes as a point guard, is his ability to keep his dribble alive while penetrating a defense, which reminds me a lot of Steve Nash, and let’s not get it twisted straw-men, I’m not saying he’s good as Steve Nash. Yes, there will be games Lin might not even score double digits, but as long as he keeps penetrating and creating for others, the Knicks offense will be much more consistent than it has been with guy’s who aren’t point guards trying to play point guard. The Knicks to contend still need STAT back after he’s done mourning the loss of his brother. They still B-Diddy, Melo, and Jorts to get healthy. They Knicks sorely need better perimeter scoring from behind the arc, be it Toney Douglas finding his shot again, and/or picking up J.R. Smith. The Knicks are a work in progress, and I’m enjoying the process of the team coming together chemistry wise, or as D’Antoni would say, coalescing. That’s right, ORANGE SPOKE ON SLAM TODAY! EAT IT HATERS’!

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Teddy, I’ll stop pretending Lin is playing against YMCA weekend ball players when you stop pretending I’m some unabashed Lin hater.
    I’ve given the kid his props, you want me to f*ckin’ slob his knob too?
    Cause I ain’t the one for that.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    lets not forget the competition magic and west had to go up against in their eras,
    kobe beat the pacers, sixers, nets, and magic for 4 of his.

  • riggs

    you realllly gotta stop calling him rigo. It’s confusing the hell outta me.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The Utah Jazz’s record reflects a playoff team. The Jazz however, are not actually a playoff team.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Great, then we can both stop pretending. Hater…

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    LOL I had such high hopes for that Orange comment until that last sentence.
    I feel you tho, homie.
    Orange can actually be a cool guy when he’s not going on about how superior his Knicks are like they’re some
    master race or something.
    Teddy – bro I didn’t mean to come off like that but I don like being singled out like that like I’m the only one that said anything negative about Lin after that first good game of his.
    You can keep thinking I’m a hater if you want.
    Little do you know I was on Twitter last night saying the Knicks had found their solution at PG, and that I just cant hate Lin, even if I do hate the Knicks.
    Riggs – Not to me, but having a dude on here go by Riggs when cats back home called me that is confusing to me do I feel you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @airs….even though those teams have a history of sucking, they couldn’t have sucked the year Kobe was playing against them, I mean it’s the NBA Finals after all…

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    And BTW, who’s datkid’s team? I think it’s the Miami Heat… Or is he just one of those fans without a team? If I’m right about him being a Heat fan, I’d not be shocked if his Heat fandom started at the same time the “Heat Index” started over at ESPN. And that punk wants to talk about me “switching” teams when I’m a loyal Knicks fan and a New Yorker. LOL, he’s pretty brave clicking submit comment.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I am currently undecided on the Magic/Kobe, who’s the greater Laker debate. Magic had an era named “Showtime.” Kobe had a 81 point game. Magic has five rings. Kobe does also(and will have 1 or 2 more before it’s all said and done imo). Magic had KAJ… Kobe had Shaq… Magic could get his team mates going. Kobe didn’t need to. Magic was the greatest passer of all time. Kobe is the greatest scorer. Magic stayed with the Lakers his whole career. As did KB. It’s going to come down to who’s your guy. Neither can be proven as the greatest. I’m not stupid enough to act like I know who is.(cough, cough) We’ll see how KB finishes off his career before we may know who is the greatest Laker. As of right now they are 1A, 1B.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    2000 pacers, nets sixers……
    ……80s celtics.
    Or any 80s team they had to thru.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    I cant wait till the 23rd when the Heat play the Knicks tho.
    Until then, I expect Orange and DatKid to be cutting promos about one another like old school WWF.
    “What you gonna do, BROTHER, when the Heatles run wild in youuuuu??!”

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I was just playing Riggs. I mean Rigo.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Rigo, for what’s it’s worth, I’ve got no problem with you. Never have. I know we spare sometimes, but it’s all in good fun, like how Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith spare fun. I never mean for things to get personal, but I’m not perfect…so sorry if I’ve ever made you really mad at me. I know yo’re sensitive and all. lol, just messing around. ;)

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I mean Riggsmatic?

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Yo pause that!
    I meant run wild on you, not in you!
    SMH my phone being doing this all day.
    Earlier on Twitter I almost said regarding Rose vs. Jennings “Rose entered his a**” when I meant to write “ethered”.
    If he did the former thats their business but not what I meat to write at all. Lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I’m not saying they’re anywhere near the 80s Celtics, I’m just saying they obviously weren’t awful teams.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Kobe is the greatest scorer of all-time? Oh lawd….

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    ….Who in the hell said that?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I did.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow did.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Which is beyond ridiculous.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It has taken Kobe 21,969 shots to make 9,978. In 21,686 shots (pre-washington) Jordan made 10,962, That is ONE THOUSAND more makes in LESS attempts. Just to quell the stupid ass notion that Kobe is the greatest scorer ever, let’s reiterate, Jordan did that without all these rules that make perimeter players unstoppable (for example, Handchecking)

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *sigh* C’mon Lakeshow, Greatest scorer? No, He’s an amazing scorer at his peak, in fact not many are in his league when it comes to him at his scoring peak, but he isn’t the greatest scorer of all-time.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Nah, we’re cool, Orange.
    I respect the fact that even though it may seem like we’re going for each other’s throats at times, you never really gotten personal, not to the same lever others on here go to.
    BTW it’s been 12 years since Big Pun passed, y’all!
    Go peep NYILL for some Pun videos.
    Do it!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m just going to list players in NBA history that are greater/better scorers than Kobe (off the top)- MJ, KAJ, West, Baylor, Wilt and Oscar.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    You could argue MJ is. I just prefer Kobe’s ability to get a shot off in more extreme situations and his long distance shooting more than MJ’s impressive mid range and footwork. Kobe takes more stupid shots than MJ did. 1000 more out of every 22,000 they shoot. Thusby making MJ the much more efficient scorer. I mean you all are hilarious, did I say Kobe is better than MJ? Equal to him? No. Because he’s not. But there’s one thing that he can do as well or better than anyone ever. That’s score buckets. So just to make sure we are all on the same page. In your opinions LBJ is the better scorer out of him and KB right? Because he makes them at a higher rate right? Just making sure i’m following your guys standards.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jordan scored MORE at a higher rate. And stop bringin up LeBron, it’s like he seduced your mom or something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Hell no. Lebron isn’t even in Kobe’s league when it comes to scoring and ways to score. He’s a more efficient scorer yes because he’s more athletic and can get easy looks more often, but Kobe is the more versatile and skilled scorer.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Don’t get all bitter when I bring your boy Bron up nbk. When your as good as Bron is your going to be brought into debates about the best. Or do you not like comparing LeBron with the greats for some reason?…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AI also was the best at getting “buckets”, so that must mean he’s the best scorer of all-time, right?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Taylor your hate knows no bounds. West, Oscar and Balyor are NOT in the conversation.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    One of them JTaylor. AI is in the top 15 of scorers All Time.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    When talking “greatest” scorers of all-time, those guys deserve to be brought up.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Not “THE GREATEST” though. They are on the outside looking in. Top 5, no order. MJ,KB, Wilt(or Shaq), Hakeem, KAJ

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I’d personally put Baylor in that conversation.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Oh…but his career PPG is higher than the greatest/scorer of all-time, how can that be? How in the hell is Kobe the greatest scorer of all-time when he’s not even ranked Top-5 in PPG? Riddle me that.
    That’s like saying Pujols is the greatest homerun hitter of all-time despite the fact that dude isn’t even in the Top-30 when it comes to career homeruns.
    Just because you believe it in your mind, doesn’t make it true.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Give it a rest, guys. You’re not convincing JTaylor that Kobe isn’t a scrub and just barely makes Top 25 All Time. You’re also not convincing Lakeshow that Kobe isn’t the GLOAT(trademarked FYI). You’re also not convincing Orange that DRose > Lin. Carry on.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    you never switched teams IAMGREENFOREVER? oh….. also I’m a heat fan. been one for a while. I laughed at you when we stomped on ya’ll and i’ma laugh when we do it again. How are you gonna tell me to reevaluate my life when you just tried to evaluate another man’s Penis?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Well depending on what your blind hatred allows you to see…. (sh*t never mind this is useless, oh well, here we go anyway) You should be able to see that scoring ability does not just come down to how your career PPG ended up. If that were the case then Kobe would just make the top 10 of all time scorers. So your telling me that Kobe is the 10th best scorer all time right Taylor? (Just making sure I’m understanding your position…)

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    oh I’m pretty brave clicking submit comment huh lil guy? you gotta be the corniest weakest commenter of all time you team-hopping knob-slobbing b*tch. I’m done talking to you tho.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    lol @datkid with the “Penis evaluation” comment. Good stuff.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    He’s just barely better than Adrian Dantley right JTaylor?

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    lmao thanks lakeshow *daps* and kobe has to be one of the top 10 greatest scorers. Definitely not THE greatest scorer, for reasons that have been brought up here millions of times. but he has to be at least top 10. Chamberlain, West, Oscar and Baylor, Malone, and Shaq are in there too but beyond them how many people besides Jordan are better scorers than Bean?

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    lmao @ Nick….Kobe the gloat. I like that. I’m definitely using that on twitter.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    So what does it come down to? Scoring 81, 62 in 3qtrs and avg. 35ppg in a season? I mean kobe has all the skills in the world when it comes to scoring but it doesn’t translate to him being the greatest scorer of all-time. Ability to score at an efficient manner should be a factor whenever discussing great scorers.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Your opinion Taylor. I think those skills do translate into him being the greatest scorer all time. I just think he has no discussion in the “GOAT” department because of the lack of efficiency and some other flaws. Sol good though. You my dude through all the Bean hate you spit.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Fair enough and you still my dude through all the bron love you spit. Oh wait……..

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ Datkid…I’ll send you my Paypal account # for any royalties from the use of GLOAT. Shall not be used without express written consent.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    LeBron doesn’t belong in any greatest of all time conversations unless your talking about potential. So try and forget whatever it is that he did to you sissy

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Protected by the Red, the Black, and the Green. Sissiesssss!

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @datkid First off, just so you know, I’m not a lil guy. I work out about 6 days a week and can rip off pull ups like a marine. I’m running on average about 32 miles a week in training right now for my upcoming race. NOBODY in the real world has ever called me a “lil guy” before. And to be CLEAR, I’m NOT trying to come off like a tough guy here. Just giving you an idea of the MAN you are submitting comments to behind the comfort of your keyboard. Secondly, you started out this post up talking about riding another man’s penis, as well as in other post ups calling other posters f/ags. You obviously have “issues” that you need to sort out on someone’s couch. For real, I’m straight, but I’d not be surprised if you were some homophobic self-loathing closeted homosexual. I’m not quick to judge either. I base that opinion on all the comments I’ve read you make anonymously here at SLAM over a long period of time. Lastly, I’ve never “switched” to the Celtics so enough with that ish. Last year after the Celtics swept the Knicks in the first round I continued to watch the NBA playoffs, because I’m a fan of the game. I picked the C’s to beat the Heat in round 2, so of course I’m going to root to be right. What’s wrong with that? Nothing! That doesn’t make me a C’s fan…douche…bag. LOL!

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    orange i’m not really gonna read your stupid long post bc I know your retarded. but honestly why are you telling me how much you work out? I don’t give a f*ck.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    and also I like everybody else said you were a Jeremy Lin D*ck Rider… that doesn’t have anything to do with gays, it’s something we all say. I like your reasoning though… you openly speculate about the size of another man’s penis IN THIS COMMENT SECTION, and then call me a closeted homosexual? your hilarious. the only thing your right about here is that is I shouldn’t have called you a f*ggot.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    and also I don’t care about what you say happened… we all saw you bandwagon the celtics lmao. so in summation your comment is long and idiotic just like you. have a nice night.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca niQ

    This column actually reached 220+ comments. Wow. Um, Go Jeremy Lin! lol

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    RECAP of the self-loathing insecure datkids CRAZY comments today:

    1.) *waits for orange to show up and hop on jermey line’s D*ck*

    2.) wow Iamaf*ggotforever you’ve really outdone yourself.

    3.) alright nbk. your right. I’ve been letting him rile me up way to much. No more feeding trolls.

    4.)You never switched teams IAMGREENFOREVER?

    5.)oh I’m pretty brave clicking submit comment huh lil guy? you gotta be the corniest weakest commenter of all time you team-hopping knob-slobbing b*tch. I’m done talking to you tho.

    Conclusion: Didn’t he say he was done talking to me? The mental midget can’t because the he’s a TROLL, and an an insecure (in more ways than one) one at that. He’s possesses horrible character. LOSER.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    In response to your last two comments: Speculate about another man’s penis? LMAO! WTF are you talking about datkid? I thought Allenp was being a little prick when he tried to make a big deal about Lin’s turnovers (all in the 2nd half with no rest btw) like all he did was just looked at the box score and not watch the game, hence I made the Allenlilpeepee comment. It was just a play on his screen name, due to the “p” at the end of his screen name being in lower case. You thought I was speculating about the size of a penis, because that is your mentality. It’s how you’re wired. And again, keep going on about me “switching” to the Celtics. It shows how DESPERATE you are to try and make me look bad. Everyone knows I’m a loyal Knicks fan no matter how much garbage lies you spew about me “bandwagoning” on the Celtics. So when your Heat get knocked out the playoffs this year, are you going to just run and hide under a rock for a few months like Eboy did last year? I bet you do, because you’re mentally soft.

  • shutup

    all the ish thats talked on this site makes me wonder how many of these people can actually ball, I have no problem saying where I played in the past, who I’ve played against and what park I’m a regular at now, and since leaving NYC for Vegas, seeing as Vegas could be a stop on some peoples plans, let me know if you wanna play looking at you NBK and your lil b!tch sidekick datkidswaller.

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    yo for real no other place on the internet can you get e-fights like those that go on in the slamonline comments section. Keep it up peeps!

  • bobbyD

    Entertaining read as usual…cheers fellas

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    OrangeTeaBag…..keep my screename off your finger tips “big man” or whatever little b*tch fantasy you’ve concocted for yourself to try and let people believe you ain’t nothing more than a 2 dollar man wh*re. When your garbage-a*s squad reaches .500 this season, then you can come to the adult table and open your co*ksucking hole. Now get your little a*s to homeroom and stop boring the f*ck out of people who could care less if you lived or died. That’s real, homegirl.

  • Justin G.

    Getting into penis sizes on a basketball forum…this site has to have the most immature, childish posters ever. OK…*sigh*…Jeremy Lin has had two good games. Big deal. Let’s see how it plays out over the long haul, especially with no STAT and no Melo for the next week or so. Kobe is not the GLOAT (proceeds going to your PayPal Nick) but he is definitely second only to Magic. Jerry West was great and had great career stats but I’m pretty sure Kobe does too. It’s not Wilt because he only played 5 years for the Lakers and it was on the downside of his career. Remember, it’s Greatest Laker not greatest player that ever wore the uniform. Kareem probably has the best case at being called second but I just think Kobe edges him out. I don’t want to get into the Kobe being a better scorer than Kobe arguement. It’s so ludicrous that someone would even think that that it’s not even worth it to bother. IAMORANGEFOREVER, it’s sad when the conversation shifts to something other than the Knicks and you jump back in to steer it in that direction. We must have gone more than a week without seeing you here during the Knicks horrid slide and now they get a couple wins and out from the cheap seats you come. Make an appearance after a loss and say something that isn’t outlandish one of these times and maybe people will take what you say a little more seriously

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    So, these comments were quite interesting.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OhGZNLPSOY&feature=related Allenp

    This just became crazy after I left. Y’all some wild boys.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Eboy and datkid are strikingly similar in their posting styles. Both douchebags, both internet tough guys, both mentally midgets, and both self-loathing “closeted” homophobes. To think he said come to the adult table…nothing about his comments on SLAM suggest he is an adult. That BOY is a COWARD with a low self-esteem. Now go back to playing with your twitter and your glow sticks, BOY, and try and feel important in your special E world! Maybe that should compensate for the fact you’re a NOBODY in the real world. How do you like them Apples?

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    At JustinG, where you been? I’ve been up in here after wins and losses. Why lie? I don’t get that ish. Just recently I was here after the Bulls beat the Knicks. Here afer the Celtics beat the Knicks. What’s up with this bullish about me not posting after losses? Nothing could be further from the truth. Just because I focus on other things in my life besides SLAM and don’t post here for stretches doesn’t mean I’m some frontrunner fan. I find I can’t post on here at times because it can be really unproductive and a real time waster. I already said though, I’ll never take two weeks off again. I’ll always make at least a post or two during the week. I’ll NEVER pull an Eboy, where you DISAPPEAR for MONTHS, like he did after the Mavs won the CHAMPIONSHIP. I was here right after the Knicks got swept by the Celtics last year, and I was here after EACH loss in that first round series. I am NOT some FRONT RUNNER FAN! Try to understand that or STOP lying about me. It’s one or the other.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Ok guess I can’t reply to JustinG. Bottom line, I’m not a front-runner.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    You are all weirdos

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