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Wednesday, February 22nd, 2012 at 8:37 am  |  60 responses

Post Up: Wade’s World

More Heat highlights, Kyrie shines in the fourth and Ws for Indiana, Memphis and Portland.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

Five games from last night, from two tight games to start the night to one of the year’s biggest blowouts to end it. And it all started with Kyrie’s fourth-quarter theatrics against Detroit. Here we go…

Cavaliers 101, Pistons 100

Ben Gordon missed a driving layup with under 20 seconds to play and the Pistons down by 1, and Kyrie Irving and Boobie Gibson made 4 straight free throws to secure a Cavaliers win behind 32 points from Antawn Jamison. Detroit blew a 55-44 halftime lead and a 72-55 lead late in the third quarter, thanks to sub-39 percent field goal shooting and a 2-15 night for Tayshaun Prince (7 points). And the Pistons wasted yet another stellar effort from Greg Monroe, who racked up 19 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists and 3 steals (fantasy monster alert) and 24 points from Brandon Knight. But mostly, this game was about Irving, who led the Cavs all the way back with 17 points in the fourth quarter, part of a 25-point, 8-assist night. Alonzo Gee (13 points) capped off Cleveland’s torrid run on a dunk off his own miss with less than 30 seconds to play, giving the Cavs a 2-point lead. Gee and Kyrie combined to score 30 of Cleveland’s 35 points in the fourth. The Rookie of the Year race might be over, guys.

Pacers 117, Hornets 108 (OT)

New Orleans has been getting frisky lately—the Hornets led by 3 at the half and made a late charge to give the Pacers a scare, but ultimately fell to Indiana in overtime. New Orleans was down by 5 as late 1:28 in the fourth quarter, but the Hornets stormed back with three consecutive buckets from Gustavo Ayon—yes, Gustavo Ayon. Still, the Pacers led 100-98 with 13.3 seconds to play, but Trevor Ariza rained a wing jumper to tie things up, before Paul George’s step-back jumper hit front iron, sending the game to overtime. It was all Indiana in the extra period, as the Pacers started OT went on a 10-0 run and held on to get their 3rd straight win, their twentieth of the season. Roy Hibbert provided the bulk of the scoring, finishing with a career-high 30 points (11-17 shooting) plus 13 rebounds and 3 blocked shots, while George scored 20 and Darren Collison chipped in an 18/8/6 line. For the Hornets (who lost despite shooting 53 percent), Ariza scored 21 and Jarrett Jack had 19 points and 10 assists, again as a reserve.

Heat 120, Kings 108

Miami continues to dominate, this time getting 30 points and 10 assists from Dwyane Wade, 20 points apiece from Mario Chalmers and Chris Bosh, and 18, 8 and 4 from LeBron James on the way to improving to an NBA-best 26-7 on the year. Sacramento did its best to hang tough, as their new starting lineup featuring 3 guards Marcus Thornton, Isaiah Thomas and Tyreke Evans all scored 20+ points. Thomas led the Kings with 24 points, Thornton had 23 and Evans finished 21 points, 10 assists and 7 rebounds, plus one of his patented long-range buzzer beaters to end the first quarter. But even with the backcourt rolling, SacTown couldn’t combat 56 percent shooting from the Heat and 11-16 shooting from DWade—his 11th straight game with a field goal percentage over 50 percent. Up next for Miami? Yup, Jeremy Lin and the Knicks come to town. Before we close the book on another Heat W, let’s play a game I like to call “What’s in Wayne’s cup?” My second-favorite game, behind “What the hell is Wayne wearing?”

Grizzlies 89, Sixers 76

Philly haters, eat your hearts out today, because the Sixers have lost 4 in a row and 6 of their last 8 games. To say the Sixers started slow against Memphis would be an understatement. Philadelphia made only 4 of 20 field goals in the first quarter, and trailed 30-10 after one. It got better—they were down 5 at halftime—but not much better, as the Sixers shot 37 percent from the field for the game, and trailed by as many as 21. Still, Philly pulled within four in the fourth quarter, but the Grizzlies finished the game on a 15-6 run, bumping their record to 19-15 on the year. Memphis didn’t shoot the ball particularly well (sub-40 percent), but outrebounded (47-36) and out-hustled the Sixers, and got a crazy overall line from Marc Gasol—15 points, 14 boards, 7 assists and 5 blocks in 43 minutes. Jrue Holiday scored 22 points, but had none in the fourth quarter, and the next leading scorer for Philadelphia was Lavoy Allen, who finished with 14. Andre Iguodala shot just 5-14 with 11 points, adding 7 assists and 5 rebounds. And consider this per CSN Philly: “Andre Iguodala has not made a basket in the fourth quarter in the 76ers’ last six games.”

Trail Blazers 137, Spurs 97

Holy blowout! Only a Greg Popovich-coached team would rest its two biggest stars in the midst of an 11-game winning streak. Pop sat down Tony Parker and Tim Duncan, telling media pre-game, “We’re going to put some money in the bank; get some rest and recuperation.” The game that followed without TP and TD went about as you’d expect—the Blazers wasted no time jumping all over the Spurs, taking a 41-23 lead after the first quarter, during which they drilled 8 threes. From there, Portland continued to pour it on, opening up a ridiculous 103-65 advantage heading into the fourth quarter. Put it this way, last night’s Luke Babbitt sighting lasted 10 whole minutes. Jamal Crawford stepped into the starting lineup in place of Raymond Felton and delivered 20 points and 8 assists (Felton had 16 points but still took 3 more shots than Crawford). LaMarcus Aldridge led the Blazers with 21 points and Gerald Wallace added 19, 10 and 6, while Kawhi Leonard led San Antonio with 24 points, 10 boards and 5 steals. The streak-snapping loss drops the Spurs to 23-10, while Portland is now 18-16 on the year.

Lines of the Night: Roy Hibbert’s career-high 30, DWade’s 30 and 10 dimes and Marc Gasol’s 15/14/7/5.

Dunk of the Night: Paul George gives us a preview of what All-Star Saturday Night might look like.

LeBron-to-Wade of the Night, Part I: I thought this one was sick…

LeBron-to-Wade of the Night, Part II: …then I saw this one.

Tonight: SLAM super-sub Eldon (you’ve read his blog) is covering a baker’s dozen worth of games while I’m out of commission, but I’ll meet you all back here for Thursday’s last round of pre-All-Star break NBA action. Settle in for Celtics-Thunder and Lakers-Mavs on the mothership, and keep an eye out for Nuggets-Clippers, Sixers-Rockets and Hawks-Knicks on this Wednesday evening.

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  • MUBWAR

    the most complete basketball player in the world.

  • Fat Lever

    Sixers look like they have no confidence on offense. What Abe failed to mention however is that Brand is out until after the ASB, so we had Andres Nocioni starting at the 4. I’ll let you figure out how that went. It’s no coincidence that the 6ers were down by 20+ in the first battling a much taller front line that Memphis has with a PF(Lavoy Allen) starting at C, and a SF(Noc) starting at PF. I love what Doug has done, but it’s time to take the reigns off of ET and let him ball. I don’t know what is Doug’s issue with him, but Meeks is better suited throwing House Parties right now than being a starting 2 guard.

  • Jetfuel

    co-sign. DWade is the real king of Dade-County, what up Rick

  • T-Money

    bosh must feel so extra when he’s trailing the break while james and wade are bending physics rules. his jumper is still strong but i’m worried that he’s going to rim all spaghetti-like… the toronto explosiveness seems to be long gone.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    How pretty does Paul George’s windmill look?

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    Lebron is absolutely the most complete player in basketball.. only kobe, d.wade, and cp3 come close. also cosign T-money. He seems to flail a lot when he drives… didn’t he put on a lot of muscle over the summer or something?

  • http://www.racialicious.com/2012/02/15/memewatch-adventures-in-linsanity/#more-20490 Allenp

    You know what people don’t say anymore? Wade and LeBron can’t play to together.
    When was the last time somebody said that? They figures out how to co-exist pretty well, and Spoelstra has his rotations down pat. Gotta give the team credit for making it work so far by thinking the game through.
    And Bosh has decent athleticism, he wears a knee brace now though. So, I don’t know what’s up.
    Chalmers is shockingly locked in from three. And Mike Miller is no slouch. The Heat’s team is just way more cohesive and deep this year. If Battier can find his jumper, it’s a problem.
    Cousins was killing early, particularly on the glass, but then he kind of just checked out of the game. It was weird. If he would have kept up his dominance, they might have made the game closer. And that little dude Isaiah Thomas is nice. And the story behind his name is awesome too.

  • http://www.racialicious.com/2012/02/15/memewatch-adventures-in-linsanity/#more-20490 Allenp

    Oh, and in two years, Paul George is going to be far and away the best player on the Pacers team, and a top five shooting guard in the NBA. He’s a consistent mid-range pull up away from superstardom.

  • http://www.racialicious.com/2012/02/15/memewatch-adventures-in-linsanity/#more-20490 Allenp

    I don’t know why the Sixers gave up on Speights so early. Collins put him in the doghouse and never let him out. But, he plays hard for Memphis. I always liked his talent in Philly.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Just goes to show how valuable Tony Parker and Tim Duncan are to the Spurs… damn! 40 point loss!!

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    @Allenp. After Paul George was drafted, I read in various places that Paul George could be the best player out of that draft in 5 years. He’s showing immense potential already.

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    I am proud of my Kings. They eventually got beat pretty soundly in the 4th but for 3 quarters that was a hell of game. I don’t blame them for losing, the other team was pretty good. Isaiah Thomas is the biggest player on the floor. I was actually pleasantly surprised at how well the three guard lineup worked. Tyreke played Lebron fairly well considering.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Somebody take the clip outta Popovich’s AK…..now.

  • http://www.dimemag.com showtime

    They dont call it WADE COUNTY for no reason!!! & Isiah might be the steal of the draft. dude kid preforming..

  • http://www.racialicious.com/2012/02/15/memewatch-adventures-in-linsanity/#more-20490 Allenp

    Lionel Hollins or Rick Adelman for coach of the year?

  • Fat Lever

    Allen, because he doesn’t attempt to rebound or play d. He was staying on the perimeter here in Philly jacking shots. He also has a low defensive IQ, which is something Doug can’t stand.

  • Fat Lever

    I’m talking about Speights by the way.

  • http://www.racialicious.com/2012/02/15/memewatch-adventures-in-linsanity/#more-20490 Allenp

    I can’t understand doing that in Philly but falling in line in Memphis. I agree with your assessment of his fall off this year. Early last year he was boarding more, but no defense. In Memphis Hollins seems to be forced to give him a longer leash, and consequently, he’s shown more commitment to the glass and defense.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Rick Adelman if he gets Minnesota in the Playoffs.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Hollins because he has the Grizz in the thick of the playoff race without their best player.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Isaiah Thomas would have been a top 15 pick if he was 2 or 3 inches taller. One of the best scorers in the draft without a doubt. You could consider me biased or informed because I watched him and rooted for him from his 10th grade year in high school through his UW days and now I can’t help but want the Kings in Seattle even more. Sorry Albert…

  • T-Money

    allen – i can’t wait for the pacers to trade granger and unleash paul george at the 3. yes, i do see all-star games in his future.

  • bull22

    take away shaquille o’neal and his two bestest of buddies and what do you got? an overrated player with a pedestrian record that can’t grow with a team or lead a team on his own… in effect there would be no wade’s world.. LOL

  • shutup

    All I saw was the score of the Spurs game and my jaw dropped but then I found out Duncan DND and Parker DNP and it all made sense, POP is a smart coach, I doubt anyone else in the NBA would have that kind of b@lls in the midst of an 11-game winning streak, he has his eyes on the prize, anyone facing the Spurs in the west is gonna have to earn it this year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    As I suspected. The Kings best rookie was drafted 50 picks after Jimmer.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Seriously, Greg Popovich should just win COY every year. Also is Kevin McHale in the discussion? He’s done a helluva job so far. I’m gonna say Doug Collins as well, for what he’s done with Philly.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Isiah Thomas can really play. I like that Thomas/Thornton/Evans/Cousins/Thompson line-up. Their three-guard backcourt is dangerous. Defensively it’s a bit worrying, but offensively it’s their best lineup.
    What is up with Demarcus Cousins though?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m pretty sure Doug Collins will win COY almost unanimously if Philadelphia finishes with home court in round 1.

  • http://www.racialicious.com/2012/02/15/memewatch-adventures-in-linsanity/#more-20490 Allenp

    Philly is stumbling right now. I think it’s Adelman’s award to lose given Minnesota’s turnaround. Everybody thought that was a lottery team.
    My homeboy thinks Wade is the best player in the League. I don’t agree, but by no means is she overrated. He carried Shaq to the championship, not the other way around, and on his own, he had exactly as much success as any star would have had with that roster.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He carried Shaq through 4 games. They would not have even remotely been close to the championship without Shaq.

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    @LakeShow: It is Sacramento’s team to lose, so if we can’t get the arena deal done – well then consider the Kings a gift from your cousin down south. ALthough it would be weird for them to become the Sonics…Seattle Kings? @NBK: I was thinking the same thing the whole game “We wasted our lottery pick on Jimmer? BUST!”. Jason Thompson is really coming into his own this season. So much more consistent and he doesnt settle for his jumper as much as he used to.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Minnesota still is a lottery team.

  • bull22

    who had the rings before wade won his? was wade a league mvp before he came?
    was wade nba finals mvp before he came? did wade even have a 50 win team before he came? and did wade and the big three win the nba championship in their first try last year? i could go on and on with facts rather then bs but its a waste of time with moronic comments. get the heck out of here with the trash with nothing to back it up!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: Adelman only wins it if the Wolves make the playoffs. Otherwise he would have won it with the Rockets the past 2 years.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Peter Walsh

    Paul George’s windmill was vicious. Vince Carter-esque.

  • http://www.racialicious.com/2012/02/15/memewatch-adventures-in-linsanity/#more-20490 Allenp

    I think the Wolves can make the playoffs
    You think pointing out that Shaq had rings before Wade is a good comment? Or that he was MVP? Really?
    Did you forget that the year before they won a ring, Wade got hurt in the ECF and Shaq, the Most Dominant Ever, couldn’t manage to get the Heat past the Pistons in one freaking game. Or that Shaq had just lost to that same Pistons team in 2004 while playing with Kobe, Malone and Payton? Or that Shaq’s scoring average dropped every year he was with the Heat and he openly admitted that Wade was the leader and best player on that squad?
    Wade too more shots with Shaq on the team than he did without him, and even without him Wade took the Heat to the second round of the playoffs as rookie with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom riding shotgun. The same Lamar Odom and Caron Butler that Kobe couldn’t manage to get over the hump in the West. The year after they win the finals, Wade gets injured and Shaq allows the team to get swept in the first round by the freaking BULLS with Ben Gordon as their best player.
    How many more facts do you want? You want scoring averages, shot attempts, game film?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Albert, I’m impressed that you look at it that way, but I am going to feel pretty asswhole like grabbing your team just like it happened to us with the Sonics, but slightly less bad since the precedent had been set with us. lol. It would be the Sonics just so you know. The 206 really liked “The Sonics™” They wouldn’t take kindly to taking on a new name for the Cities ball club. Seattle Super Sonics sounds awesome anyway. If Adelman gets the Wolves in the playoffs he’s my pick otherwise give it to Pop in San An.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Not that I’m defending Bulls argument, because that didn’t make a damn bit of sense. But Shaq was still the main reason they had the opportunity to win a title (him “saying” anything, means nothing Allen, you know that) Shaq averaged 20 and 9 in 30 minutes in 06, not by any stretch “prime” Shaq numbers. But he opened up everything for that Heat team. He still demanded a double team on every possession (when he wasn’t he had games like game 6 against Detroit, when he went for 28 and 16 on 12 of 14 shooting to close the series, Ben Wallace stood no chance). There would not have been a door for Wade to go through as the “best player” on that Heat team if it weren’t for Shaq. Plus throughout the first 2 and 1/2 series of those playoffs Wade struggled just as much as he dominated (against Detroit he had some huge games, and we all know what he did too Dallas).

  • http://www.racialicious.com/2012/02/15/memewatch-adventures-in-linsanity/#more-20490 Allenp

    Did he really struggle against Detroit? I don’t remember it that way at all. Against Chicago, yeah. Kurt Hinrich has always played him super tough. But not against Detroit.
    He’s dropping 30 plus on 70 percent shooting against the Piston in multiple games that year. That was after KILLING them the year before but falling off when he hurt his thigh or whatever.
    Shaq opened things up based on respect. The Mavs guarded him without a double with Dampier. The Pistons often refused to double as well. The big problem was that he could still get offensive boards, so when Wade broke his man down, your big had to make a choice of coming over to help and allowing shaq to board, or staying home and allowing Wade to make layups. So yes, they both benefited, but to me, Wade was CLEARLY the catalyst and better player at that point. It wasn’t even close anymore.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Against Detroit that championship year he shot 81 percent in game one, 55 percent in game two, 76 percent in game three and 72 percent in game four. His lowest point total was in the close up out game when he had 14, but other than that he had 20 or better every game with his typical 5 boards and assists. And in the close out game he had 10 assists.
    Against Jersey he was regularly dropping 30 a game as well. I can’t understand the idea that he struggled to be honest. And that was his second year doing it and only his third year in the LEAGUE!
    Shaq only dominated Detroit in the closeout game, and that was a throw back. He got turned into a role player by Dampier when they met Dallas. Against the Nets and Bulls he put up good numbers, but not awesome. Wade had an amazing playoffs.
    And when you look at the year before, Shaq had a better playoffs, but arguably so did Wade before he got hurt and that was only his SECOND year in the League. Pull the game logs on Basketball Reference and them think about those games.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Game 6 Against Detroit Wade had 14Pts & 10Asts – 23pts 4 & 4 in game 5. Games 1-4 though Wade killed. And I mean absolutely destroyed Detroit. He was up and down against Chicago and New Jersey. — I don’t argue that Wade was the “best player” – but Shaq had a bigger effect on the whole team. Opened more up. At least imo he did. Shaq opened up the Chicago series with 27 and 16 in a W. And closed the series with a 30 and 20 game. He didn’t get many shot attempts in the New Jersey series, can’t remember exactly why, but they had Jason Collins at the time. So I assume a healthy dose of him and double teams are the reason for that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Wade scored a lot of buckets against Chicago and New Jersey, but he was pretty inefficient in about half the games. (other then all of those Free Throws)

  • bull22

    i knew that some of you were going to come up with a bunch of injury excuses
    and lame numbers excuses, he said she said. lol all this blah blah blah is entertaining.. and of course it would be no sense to excusemakers because the answer to those 4 simple questions is NO! PERIOD. some of you need to get hooked on reason.. hahahhahahhahahhahha

  • bull22

    what were wade’s numbers in last year’s nba championship. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahaa

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    @Lakeshow: It has been a long ride so I am preparing for the worst but expect the best. All we Kings fans can do at this point. ANd, yeah, I know the team would be renamed to the sonics (which I admit is a good name) but then it will almost feel like we lost our team to OKC and the Sonics were just on sabbatical or something. If they were still the Kings I could continue to root for them. Anyways, the Kings have been fun to watch this season despite our struggles so it has been worth the extra year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You know what Bull22, thank you.
    I forgot myself and engaged you in a discussion. Thank you for reminding me why that is such a horrible, horrible choice.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow, I was reading about someone who physically can’t watch OKC play. Literally gets sick to his stomach every time he sees them, hasn’t watched a minute of Kevin Durant’s career since they left either. Thought that would interest you.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Your a solid dude Albert. I cried for like a week sans Sonics lol. (k not that bad but still pretty sad dude those days.) I’m preemptively sorry if sh*t goes down though my dude. Sacramento has shown the ability to keep a team and have a passionate fan base and they are just as likely to be moved if not more so than the Hornets who can’t keep anyone interested. Hearing you talk about having a good “extra” year reminds me of Durants rookie year as a Sonic. It was a great last year despite a bad record and nothing to look forward to…. LOL @ AllenP

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Hmm, that’s interesting NBK. I know people from WA that “can’t” watch OKC. I haven’t heard of anyone actually becoming ill because of them lol. I find it very hard to actively root for the Thunder, but i’m not opposed to them. I would support KD and Collison if they got to the Finals. I would have to root for them a wee bit, but obviously they are not “my” team anymore and I will never be able to look at them with any sort of connection other than the two players that were on the Sonics. Was that an article or just someone you heard about?

  • dazzy

    Similar arguments might be made about Wade’s role in the championship run as they were with Kobe (minus Shaq getting finals mvp). Wade and Kobe came through clutch in the finals, but Shaq was the catalyst for both runs.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Sherman Alexie, he was on the NBA Today Podcast, you can find it on TrueHoop.

    “Author Sherman Alexie has won most of the literary awards I’ve ever heard of, and is generally seen as a literary heavyweight. But that doesn’t mean a huge chunk of his brain isn’t dedicated to watching, playing and even reinventing basketball. We discuss why he’s pessimistic about the NBA’s imminent return to Seattle, why he gets physically ill watching Kevin Durant, whether or not he sometimes kicks his own teammates out of games, his HoopIdea, Jeremy Lin and more.”

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    I can imagine what you mean Lakeshow. What is crazy is that in 2002 NO ONE could have convinced me that the Kings would be moving in 10 years. We were as on top of the bball world as you can be without winning the chip. If it hadn’t been for those few years of glory, we may not have been as galvanized as a city to fight to keep the team. So I can see how losing 41 years of history and a championship would be hard to cope with. Interesting question though: Although the city of Seattle retains the rights to the SOnics Brand, does a team that relocates there HAVE to use that name? I mean, say the Kings were to relocate, isn’t it up to the Maloofs or whoever would own them what they will be named? How irksome would that be: Seattle gets its team back but the owners refuse to be called the Sonics. I don’t see why an owner wouldn’t but just because our history is humble (the KIngs) doesn’t mean it isn’t meaningful. We have been around for just as long as any other NBA team. And waaaaaaay back when, the Rochester Royals won the chip (1951). Unlike the Lakers we don’t count that or put the banner in the rafters.

  • bull22

    @allenp, you can either be a man and answer, or choose to be self-centered like most here who think highly of their bs, choice is yours bruh. but facts are facts amigo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    smh – maybe try to ask relevant questions? or that’s prolly too hard….
    .
    .
    nevermind, carry on.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Stern says the Hornets aren’t moving. They appear to be on the verge of being purchased and their new lease won’t have an opt out clause, I think I read.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah the Kings were a top team during the first few years of the new century. Sonics were a 50 plus win team with the core they had and the city was rallied around them just a couple years before the sale. So I know how that is. The Maloof’s would have no say in the new owners direction with the team. Be it team name, colors or whatever, unless they mandate that they must keep the Kings name if the team is sold, but that is unlikely. I never understood why teams kept championships from different cities their team was in(with a different team name). Seems silly, but if it makes you feel like more of a winner more power to them I guess lol. Honestly I won’t be upset if Seattle doesn’t get the Kings. Not because I don’t want them there. Quite the opposite, but I can’t be upset at Sac-Town if they are able to keep their team.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    bulls22 really believes d.wade is a bum? smmfh…

  • Justin G.

    Agree with nbk and dazzy about Shaq being the obvious catalyst to those championship teams. @AllenP…Saying that “Shaq couldn’t get a title even with Kobe, Karl Malone, and Gary Payton” is kind of silly. Malone and Payton were nowhere near their primes in those years. Hell, Malone was 40 years old and I think Payton was 35. @datkid…no way does bull22 really think that. I think sometimes he just likes to stir it up but nobody in their right mind (or even not in their right mind) can say that about Wade. Ever

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shaq’s repuation was the catalyst. Shaq’s actual play was uneven.
    And Shaq did not destroy the Pistons in 2004. Some of that was Kobe jacking up horrible shots, but it was also that he allowed himself to be slowed by Ben Wallace. That should not have happened.

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