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Wednesday, February 15th, 2012 at 8:35 am  |  190 responses

Post Up: You Can’t Deny It

All Jeremy Lin everything—the Knicks PG upstages last night’s eight other games.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

I know. I had every Lin pun available at my disposal for today’s Post Up title. But I couldn’t do it. I just couldn’t. I can’t make a joke out of this dude anymore, because he won’t stop being ridiculously good. If he doesn’t somehow make it into the Rookie-Sophomore game (or whatever we’re calling it this year), someone in the NBA offices is effing up. As of last night, you can add “clutch” to his list of quality basketball traits. Let’s get it, with apologies for slightly more brief recaps today—a combination of the fact that JLin will most likely be the only thing discussed, and the fact that the SLAM pick-up run had me behind. You know how it go!

Knicks 90, Raptors 87

Jeremy. Lin. The ridiculousness continues for the Knicks, who stormed back from a 17-point deficit to beat the Raptors in dramatic fashion. After Lin tied the game at 87 with a minute to go on a three-point play on a drive to the hoop, he held the ball in his hands on the next possession with the clock winding down. With 5 seconds to play, he made his move, taking a dribble at Jose Calderon and pulling up for the game-winning three. It was cold-blooded. It was Hibachi-esque. It was…awesome. The trey with 0.5 seconds on the game clock capped off a 27-point, 11-assist night for Lin, and gave the Knicks their sixth straight win—New York is undefeated in the Lin era. Sure, he had 8 turnovers, and sure, Calderon gave him the business for most of the game until the Knicks switched Iman Shumpert onto him in the second half (Calderon: 25 points, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 steals), but you know what? That’ll all be forgotten. JLin led the Knicks back in the fourth quarter, Shumpert locked down Calderon, and New York (14-15) welcomed Amar’e Stoudemire (21 points but shot just 8-22 from the field) back with a W.

Heat 105, Pacers 90

LeBron James nearly had a triple-double and the Heat became the first NBA team in 33 years to win three road games on three straight days, riding The King’s 23 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists and 4 steals to victory. By the way, they won all three by double digits. Miami (now 23-7) jumped all over Indiana early, outscoring the Pacers 33-16 in the first quarter and leading 68-39 by halftime. It didn’t help the Pacers’ cause that Danny Granger left in the first quarter with an apparent sprained ankle after contributing just 3 points. Six Indiana players scored in double figures, but a few weren’t who you’d expect: bench men Dahntay Jones (10), AJ Price (12) and Tyler Hansbrough (11) all finished with double-digit games. Dwyane Wade added 16 to help LBJ, Chris Bosh had 13 and 7, and Norris Cole racked up 20 points in extended bench minutes. Good for him.

Spurs 99, Pistons 95

Tim Duncan had 18 points, 13 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocked shots and Manu Ginobili—who scored only 1 point in 25 minutes—made a big defensive play down the stretch as the Spurs got past the lowly Pistons to improve to 20-9 on the year. Manu drew a charge on Tayshaun Prince in a tie game with just under 1:30 left to play, and Ben Gordon put the game further out of reach for Detroit by getting a technical foul with 21 seconds remaining. It’s the eighth straight victory for San Antonio, which now sits in the No. 2 slot in the West behind only Oklahoma City. The Spurs ruined a big night for Ben Wallace, who played in his 1,055th career game. Why is that significant? Big Ben has now played in more NBA games than any other undrafted player in the history of the League. It might also have been the last time Duncan and Wallace ever face one another, since the two teams aren’t scheduled to play again this season.

Bulls 121, Kings 115

At one point, the Bulls led by 19 points in the fourth quarter. Then, all of a sudden it was just a two-point lead. Ugly as it was, the Bulls pulled it out without Derrick Rose yet again, improving to 24-7 and 10-1 at home. Marcus Thornton (23 points) hit a three with under 15 seconds to play to make it 117-115, but Chicago salted the game away with clutch free throw shooting from Luol Deng and Kyle Korver. Deng led the Rose-less Bulls with 23 points, 7 rebounds and a career-high 11 assists and Chicago shot 52 percent as a team. Sacramento got big performances from Thornton, Tyreke Evans (27 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists) and DeMarcus Cousins (28 points, 17 boards), but the Bulls got 22 and 11 from Joakim Noah and 18 points off the bench from Kyle Korver to drop the Kings to 10-18 (3-13 on the road). Chicago got 33 assists even without DRose. Oh, and Sacramento is at New York tonight. Kings guards, meet Mr. Lin.

Grizzlies 93, Rockets 83

The Grizzlies are now 2-0 against the Rockets this season after holding Houston to 39 percent shooting and holding Kevin Martin to exactly 0 points on 0-3 shooting in his 18 spare minutes. It’s the first time in his career that KMart has been held scoreless as a starter, and he’s now scored fewer than 10 points in five of his last six games (before that stretch, he was averaging 21 ppg this year). Word to Tony Allen. Oh, and last season Martin averaged more than 31 ppg against the Grizz. Memphis, meanwhile, shot 48 percent last night and found a Big Three of their own, even in the extended absence of Z-Bo. They are Mike Conley (team-high 21 points), Rudy Gay (20 points, 8 rebounds) and Marc Gasol (18 and 7). The Rockets cut the deficit to five in the fourth quarter but Gay canned a trey to put the game out of reach for good. Houston heads home to host OKC tonight, while Memphis is in New Jersey on Wednesday.

Thunder 111, Jazz 85

The Jazz came in tired (on the third night of a back-to-back-to-back) and the Thunder came in rested (3 days of rest), so this result is really no surprise. And while Kevin Durant got his 21, James Harden scored 22 and Russell Westbrook had 16 points, it was the dominant play on the inside of Serge Ibaka that helped blow Utah out of the building. How about 16 points on 7-8 shooting, 10 rebounds and 6 blocked shots for the Serge Protector? In related news, the Jazz shot just 36 percent to the Thunder’s 55 percent clip, and were outscored in the paint 60-42. Al Jefferson led the team in scoring with 15 points, but no one else on the Jazz did, well, anything. Gordon Hayward, for one, scored zilch on 0-6 shooting in his 16 minutes of action (glad I just picked him up for my fantasy team). But this is no surprise, since the Thunder simply do not lose at home: 10-1 this year in OKC.

Nuggets 109, Suns 92

Head coach Alvin Gentry held Steve Nash and Grant Hill out of this game for some rest. It’s at that point we probably could have handed Denver the win. The Nuggs snapped a five-game home losing streak behind 20 points from Arron Afflalo, 17 from Ty Lawson and 16 from Chris Andersen, of all guys. Even Kennethe Faried managed to put up 13 and 9. Denver held a 30-point advantage on points in the paint and had six players in double figure scoring. Phoenix’s Michael Redd scored 20 points (3 threes), rookie Markieff Morris led the team in scoring with 21 and Machine Gortat did his double-double thing with 10 and 14, but without Nash the Suns were fighting an uphill battle—they shot 33 percent, their worst in a game since ’06. This block is a nice metaphor for the game as a whole. Whatup, Birdman.

Wizards 124, Trail Blazers 109

Two minutes into this one, Blazers fans everywhere gasped, as LaMarcus Aldridge fell awkwardly, spraining his ankle and forcing him out of the remainder of the game (X-rays were negative, but still). With LMA out of the picture, the Wizards smelled blood, and fed the hottest of hot hands in Nick Young, who finished with 35 points, including 7 three-pointers. If not for Young’s monster night—and a 29-point, 9-assist night from John Wall—the story here would be Nicolas Batum, who dropped a career-high 33 points to lead Portland. Washington scored a season-high 124 points, which was also the most given up this season by the Blazers, and shot a season-high 60 (!) percent from the floor (the team’s highest FG% since 2009). Gerald Wallace had 25 points and Marcus Camby went for 13 and 12, but the Wizards did almost everything right in this game, moving to 7-22 for the season, while the Blazers have now lost 3 of their last 4 at home—that hasn’t happened since 2008.

Lakers 86, Hawks 78

The Lakers improved to 17-12 on the year thanks to monster games from big men Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, who helped outscore the Hawks 44-28 in points in the paint. Gasol finished with 20 points (7 of them in the final 5+ minutes), 13 rebounds and 4 blocks, while Bynum racked up a 15×15 night. Los Angeles is now 12-2 at home, despite a terrible shooting night from Kobe Bryant, who shot just 5-18 and scored 10 points in his 34 minutes. In the first half, Kobe was 1-10 from the field. No matter, since the Lakers frontcourt was rolling, and since Atlanta shot a season-low 34 percent as a team, including just 7-27 from three-point range. Jeff Teague led ATL with 18 points, while Joe Johnson notched a career milestone with his 15 points—Joe has now scored 10,000 points with the Hawks, just the 7th guy in franchise history to do so.

Line of the Night: Nick Young — 35 points, 12-17 FG, 7-8 3PT. Swaggy P was on fire.

Moment of the Night: Was there ever any doubt? Here’s Lin, from multiple angles and feeds.

Dunks of the Night: Kendrick Perkins leads the break, Russell Westbrook finishes it. And Nicolas Batum baptizes the Wizards’ frontline, all at once.

Tonight: A baker’s dozen more NBA games set to go down on Wednesday, starting with Sixers-Magic at 7 and wrapping up with my Wiz taking on Lob City in the late-night matchup of the evening. In between, be sure to keep an eye (or your jump button) on Thunder-Rockets, Nuggets-Mavs and of course, more Linsanity as the Knicks host the Kings at MSG. Pete will be subbing for me tomorrow morning, since I’m busy covering Nets-Grizz, so don’t miss me too much and be nice to PW. Catch y’all on Friday morning.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    “Stop denying it, you can’t hold me, my flow is nastier than anchovies”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    ^Funny!

  • Paul H

    Man I don’t care If people say It’s Hype, race, New York or fu*kin raindrops Jeremy Lin is making It Fun be A fan of basketball right now. They way the game I love should be. After so much negativity enveloped the league with the lock-out and so much other crap, It’s good to get caught up In something positive. Good for you young fella, keep doing your thing.

  • Justin G.

    Cue the “It’s only been 6 games. I’m still not convinced” talk. Or the “He only hit 9 of 20 and took some bad shots” crap too. Iverson’s a God around these parts even though his biggest shooting percentage in a season was 46% and that was only once.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    NOTHING about Lin’s Knicks future will be decided until Melo is back in the mix, stopping the ball and stalling their offense. If they can figure out THAT hurdle, then the next one they have to overcome is D’Antoni. 6 games, he’s played great. He has about 30+ more games to show if it’s all a perfect storm or that adding in a wing player that NEEDS the ball to be effective will effect his stats, the teams flow and they’re overall performance. If the Knicks were smart (which we know they’re not) they’d try top deal Melo and Chandler to Orlando for Dwight. With the way Lin can move the ball and run the pick and roll, and the way that Dwight could cover up STAT’s defensive shortcomings, the Knicks would be legit.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *their overall

  • Kraw

    Would it be smart to base a trade on Lin after six games? I think not.

  • T-Money

    on lin, the high conversion rate at the rim is very real, he’s at 63% this year and was even at 58% in limited time last year – he just needed the opportunity to showcase that skill. he has an excellent first step (i know he’s not supposed to be athletic, his bad i guess lol) and he keeps his dribble alive. he reads the PnR fairly well. i also like his on the ball defense. all of that leads me to believe that he is not a fluke and could be a starter in the nba for a long time.
    however, he’s also at 63% from mid range right now and that’s not going to stick. he wasn’t a great shooter in college and he’s been a 25% 3-point shooter so far in the nba. i haven’t seen him go left yet and the scouting report is out already. and the elephant in the room… the turnovers (6 a game since he’s startign). they’re not fatigue-induced TOs. his passes are telegraphed and lack “zip”. he also doesn’t have the ball handling skills of a cp3 or nash and people get their hands on the ball when he’s probing the paint. i’m not sure those things change very much once you get to the nba – turnover-prone guards tend to stay that way.

    now, can he coexist for stat? sure, stat is made for guards like lin. melo? eh. but before shipping melo out, can we at least wait to see what is the actual level of lin? if he turns out to be as good as brandon jennings (who started his nba career with quite a bang and is a fringe all-star this year).. is that good enough to get rid of melo?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Well….it IS an unprecedented 6 games.

  • Omar

    If he plays with Melo, will they ever hold on to the ball!!!!!!

  • bull22

    I CAN DENY IT,LOL. iam glad lin is overcoming obstacles to do what he is doing but i want to see how he does what i deem as the top 5 point guards in the league. derrick rose,rajon rondo,russell westbrook,tony parker and chris paul. there are 4 nba titles right there,1 league mvp,1 finals mvp and two rookies of the year. once he goes up against these teams and does same then knick fans can talk or at least get over 500, hahahahhahahaha.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    He’s already better than Ricky Rubio though.

  • 23

    I wonder what his haters are going to say now? Was his foot on the line on that last shot? Were his shoes dirty? Did he spill gatorade? I wish people would just appreciate his game. And his heart! This is real basketball he’s playing. He’s going all out and having fun! What more can you ask for as a basketball fan?

  • http://twitter.com/alan__ryan izzo

    Twitter timeline last night:
    Quarter 1: OMG turnovers! Linsanity is ovah
    Quarter 2: Go back to Harvard, nerd. You’re done.
    Quarter 3: 20 and 10? What a piece of sh*t this guy is.
    Quarter 4: Oh jeez…
    End of game: WHAT IS LIFE?!

  • BlackStar

    @ Eboy – PREACH!

  • bull22

    @eboy i would be laughing my behind off if melo was traded away after all that racket he caused last year in costing the knicks some serious talent.
    i highly doubt that orlando would be dumb enough to take chandler and anthony for howard, that trade would literally kill the orlando franchise for at least 5 years.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If the Knicks dump Melo now that would be shocking. I mean, why dump him now when they could have dumped him earlier for Deron Williams?
    I don’t have League Pass so I didn’t see Lin. All I saw were the highlights and box score.
    I did watch the two games on NBATV though, and I’m curious about the Wizards game. I don’t understand why Jordan Crawford was on the ball late in the game instead of Wall. Granted, Crawford is a much better scoring threat off the pick and roll, but he almost never passes. I guess the WIZ figured that since Camby never shows on picks, the guard was going to get open jumpers, so they needed somebody who could stick them and that’s not Wall’s forte. But, it still looked weird to see the franchise future consigned to a corner at the end of the game.
    Nick Young. Y’all saw it, and that’s all I need to say.
    LeBron killed but I was disappointed with how little he was in the post, at least when I watched. Without Granger, the Pacers had Dahntay Jones on him. He should have been posting him all night, but he was drifting around the perimeter. Blow outs are a perfect time to work on certain aspects of your game, and I was saddened LeBron didn’t take advantage. He apparently thinks posting up is only a sometime thing, when it should be his default position.
    That’s all I have.

  • cardel

    Lin is very good, although I don’t think he is overall better than Rubio, and I’m convinced defensively he is worse. As a rookie, the spaniard is top 5 in the league for assists, steals, offensive fouls taken, and I don’t know if I’m overlooking something else.

    Rubio has won everything there is to win in Europe, and played fairly well against the US in the Olympic final, with only 18 years. Lin is very exciting to watch, so far he has been amazing; I really hope he has a great career in the NBA. Nevertheless, Calderon proved last night that, as his skill set is further analyzed, a good guard can overshadow him and devalue his game.

  • cardel

    By the way, Calderon has been amazing the last couple of games.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Lin just beat out Shaq and Dan Issel for most points scored in his first five career starts. I think he’s outscored them by 7 or 8 total points. That is dope.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    (since the NBA/ABA merger).

  • T-Money

    Allen, he killed Milwaukee on the block. Yesterday, Wade spe t a lot of time in the left block they both love – they cant be featured there at the same time. Bron saw a lot of ction at the high post vs the zone and had to be up top a lot to organize the offense. Thats something he cant do from the block.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6lqqc4t nbk

    Lin is awesome. This is unbelievable. Majestic Galloping Unicorn. We are witnessing one.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6lqqc4t nbk

    Oh and John Wall had the best game of anyone last night.

  • T-Money

    i feel for john wall. he has to pass the ball to knuckle heads like young, crawford, blatche and mcgee. that has to take its toll. it’s not just that the team is not good, they’re a bunch of chronic losers without an ounce of professionalism. i’d bet anything he would rather play with the bobcats or the raptors right now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    he definitely would not rather play for the Bobcats. Are you drunk my dood?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Bobcats are 3-25 and their best player is Kemba Walker lol

  • ClydeSays

    He’s been fun to watch & I can’t deny Lin is good. But he’s also running wild against the Nets, Wiz, Raps & the corpse of Derek Fisher. If he can keep this up the rest of the season & into next then yeah, he’s for real…

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    lmao @ nbk. I wouldn’t say lin is better than rubio… they’re probably about equal right now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    whoa you went from the biggest Lin detractor around to saying he’s as good as Rubio? What do you think Rubio would do with that Knicks team?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Can’t wait for Rose-Lin in March if Lin is still allowed to touch the ball around that time. And yes, I’m a hater, I don’t know exactly why, but all the attention this kid gets, it’s just too much. Yes, he’s playing fantastic basketball, but LBJ is having a historic season and all I see on TV and on the WWW is Jeremy Lin’s face. CP3/Blake, Russ/KD, Kobe, Drose, Dhow, KLove’s monster season, all seem nonexistent to Lin.

  • add

    only thing lin has to watch is the to’s

  • 23

    @jahmai, at least you can admit your a hater lol. you arent trying to hide that. its all good, you dont have to be a fan of every nba player

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    LMAO I’m not the biggest Lin detractor nbk… that honor goes to eboy. and sh*t Idk what happened especially since I’m still skeptical. IMO view nothing has changed. He’s still destroying weak defensive teams, or teams that start a corpse at PG, and you notice that calderon had a career night against him. Teams will figure out forcing him left kinda kills things for him eventually. But RIGHT NOW Lin is still very very effective.

  • 23

    i think its hilarious that he has beaten teams with john wall and dwill but people say “oh the wizards and nets are bad teams”. but when he beats a good team like the lakers they say “derek fisher blah blah”. so is he suposed to beat a good team? or a good point guard? make up your minds people!! and btw, i saw him driving to the lakers bigs. so dont pile the blame on fish. bynum and gasol were having trouble blocking his shots.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I haven’t spoke 1 word about Jeremy Lin until today. datkid is confused.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    it’s completely true to say he has done this against teams who struggle defending PG’s. There is nothing wrong about that. It doesn’t really take anything away from him, 6 games of this in a row is proof that he is a solid NBA player. The comparisons people are making to HOF’s is where the detractors are needed, because the parallels people are trying to make are just premature and crazy.
    .
    Dat, still though, you reall think he is = Rubio?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    John Wall has some bad habits. He ain’t perfect. And, while he is surrounded by some knuckleheads, the team looks smarter since they got rid of Blatche because of injury. I think they just need a serious coach who has the ability to hold players accountable. Wall would fall in line, and then everybody else would too.
    Randy Wittman and Flip Saunders are not what you need with a young team. They don’t have the strength of personality. The Wizards problem is not blatant stupidity, but a lack of discipline and team oriented sacrifice. They like each other, they support each other and most of htem have legit talent. they just need somebody to harness it, in my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    ima have to cosign jahmai. seeing them play a juggernaut like the bulls with an athletic freak like d.rose might be too much tho. I’m just curious to see how they stack up against an above average team with a pg who can play decent defense. that’s all I want. Lin has my respect but I’m not the biggest fan either jahmai… lol

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    eBoy now shifting to “trade Melo.” eBoy is as big of a PUNK as Floyd Mayweather for tweeting that racist ish recently regarding Jeremy Lin…but we know that about eBoy already. Looks like eBOY (Erik Spoelstra) and Floyd (Jeremy Lin) got ONE thing in common…I CAN’T WAIT for the Knicks to face the Heat before the All-Star break.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    Interesting article on Flip Murray’s run of 7-Straight games of 20+ when Ray Allen went down for Seattle in 03-04. Should help people realize this run seriously doesn’t legitimately make him a superstar or even a starter long term.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    nah nbk…. that was kind of a reach. lol. I just meant that right now i felt like they were equally effective even tho one scores more, and one has less turnovers. even tho that’s probably a stretch.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    oh click my name. my bad

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    *knew that

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’ve never wrote anything regarding Lin….well, except that he is playing well. Orange, you’re a dou*hebag that came out of a decrepit whole at birth. Stop trying to get shine….you’re not even entertaining with your stupidity.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    Orange the heat are going to snatch the soul out of the knick’s collective chest, and your going to stop commenting here for about a month. Is that what you want? lol

  • LA Huey

    Jeremy Lin just MIGHT be the Avatar. I feel silly for claiming Lin’s ceiling is “great role player”.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I spoke the TRUTH about you eBoy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Find something and post it, cu*t…..otherwise, put your face closer to nbk’s c*ck.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    fair enough eboy, I guess Bulls22 is officially the primary Lin hater lol. anyone else notice that John Wall is kind of one a rampage recently? If only he would’ve been doing this all year. also 23 read my comment 12:05.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Damn Eboy and datkid lol

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    lol Cliff you gotta come around more.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    eBoy, I don’t need to say anymore, because most people (especially Asians) know I’m right about you. Too bad my truthful post about you got deleted. And keep on talking about c*cks, that’s your thing. Now go tweet about it with your boyfriend, nbk.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    nbk, how’s “work” going? lol

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    sensitive.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    work is going fine. I’m making money. how u doin with whatever it is your doing? that Syracuse foam finger itch yet?

  • LA Huey

    I’m amazed as to how Lin’s A:TO ratio is so terrible yet he’s able to continue to LEAD his team to victory.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Let’s avoid this path people.

  • LA Huey

    Good thing the Blazers were at home for that Batum dunk because every player reacted like it was routine.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Of course the media and his new found lover boys aren’t going to point out that dude has the most TOs ever for a player in their first 5 starts. It’s swept under the rug and no one has the nerve to point that out because if you do you’re labeled a racist and hater. So we shouldn’t criticize the kid just like we do damn near every NBA player because he was sleeping on his brother’s couch and came from the D-League?

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    SLAM might want to reconsider things, if you know what I mean.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The turnovers are a problem, but I can see how it feels like nitpicking to focus on that.
    I mean, why not just let people enjoy dude’s success? Yes, the hype is wild, but hey it can only grate on you if you let it. It’s not like he’s about to win an MVP, you know?

  • http://twitter.com/alan__ryan izzo

    We’ll know what Lin really has when he tries to settle into being the third option on the team and how well he can run the pick and roll when the Knicks return to full strength. We will see the real Jeremy Lin when he’s not riding an amazing wave of confidence, when there’s more competition for shots and bigger consequences when he makes the wrong decision. You could say that last night was the start of that with Amare back. Not that that should in any way take away from how amazing his run has been.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    nbk, I don’t have a foam finger, whatever that means. Glad the Cuse is 26-1 though. I know this much, I’d not be surprised if SLAM didn’t “re-sign” you after today. It’s clear you’re the wrong person for the “job.”

  • LA Huey

    co-sign Allenp @ 12:52

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    @LA Huey: Maybe it is for his team mates? Batum has been having some great games a swell lately.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    lol you don’t know what a foam finger is? are you 7 years old? and the rest of your comment makes about as much sense as your optimism.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Nothing grates me. I’m just saying let’s be fair in our assessments of dude’s skills/talent. You can’t sit there and compare him to all-time greats like JKidd/SNash/Stockton and not expect someone like myself not to point out his flaws. He’s not the passer and dribbler that those guys were and 5 good games is not enough of a sample size to warrant all those comparisons. Sorry if I’m the only one here spoiling all the love fest going on but it is what it is.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Ummm you don’t criticize every player like that, JT. You pick and choose. Like most people.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    You guys are reminding me why I stopped posting here awhile ago. Let me know when can discuss basketball intelligently and stop trolling and acting like morons.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also anyone bringing up Flip Murray… Umm, there’s a huge difference. 1) He’s led the Knicks to six straight WINS, 2) He’s averaged 9 assists a game during this stretch, and 3) His point total is the most since the NBA/ABA merger. Not third, not fourth, not sixth… First.
    “Love fest,” lol that’s clever.

  • http://twitter.com/alan__ryan izzo

    Co-sign TAD.

  • T-Money

    allen, i don’t think it’s nitpicking at all. i guess i’ll just wait until the novelty wears off and people are ready to discuss his game like the 40-minute starter that he is right now. his ability to finish at the rim, find the right angles on the PnR and play on the ball defense is proven at this point – that alone can keep him starting in the nba for a very long time. due can play, no reason to use kiddie gloves.

  • LA Huey

    AlbertBarr, I doubt it. They must’ve been collectively coming down off something. Even the Clippers, Heat, Celtics, and Bulls get excited about their respective, routine highlights.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Aight I give up. Guess we have found the first player to be ever immune from criticism.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    Teddy, he has also played considerably more minutes then Flip did, is on a much more talented team, and broke the 5 game turnover record. What Lin is doing is unheard of because it’s his first real crack at heavy minutes, not because nobody else has ever had a similar stretch of games.

  • LA Huey

    Perkins looked very natural running that break. Impressive.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    and since when did a conversation/bickering between 2 people bother everyone so much? if you don’t like what we are saying, just skip over it. read the basketball related stuff. Which is 95% of this page.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    People act like dude is going to be out of the League after 2 weeks. The guy is here to stay therefore he should be criticized abou the flaws in his game just like everyone else. Hell, Kobe and LeBron get criticism from all corners of the globe and those guys have dominated the L for years.
    How long is it going to be before anyone can breakdown the good and bad in Lin’s play without getting hate from all sides? a week, two months, a year, his entire career? Come on son.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    No one said that JT, but you can feel outraged all you want. And who said anything about racism? I’m not even sure what you’re complaining about. Are people complimenting his turnovers or something? Chill, holmes.
    @ nbk: Really? Lin is on a much more talented team when Amare and Melo aren’t playing? Steve Novak and Tyson Chandler are All-Stars now?
    How about the difference being Lin is better than Flip Murray. Simple answer.
    No one’s saying you can’t discuss his game, but it’s annoying when people bring up every single back-up role player (CJ Watson??) when doing so. Have we started comparing Ricky Rubio to CJ Watson and Flip Murray yet?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    What about Lin, STAT and pieces for Dwight and Hedo? Then the Magic could move Jameer in a seperate move. The Magic have to do something, don’t they before the trade deadline?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Lin…. wow. You gotta love this stuff. I don’t know how you can’t. It’s better than a movie. Winning games for the craziest team in the L. Putting up great numbers. Game winners. Kid is amazing. Not as good as Rubio. Rubio would be having a assist crown this season if he played for the Knicks. Rubio > Lin. Lin = Still awesome.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    JTaylor — When someone says “player X’s game reminds me of Legend Y’s game”, it doesn’t mean it’s a comparison of skill, achievement, or even potential. It just means there are similarities in their games, or parts of their game. I see Steve Nash’s hesitation in the paint in Jeremy Lin. I don’t see Steve Nash’s shooting prowess in Jeremy Lin.
    And there’s validity in being skeptical. 5-6 games, no matter how amazing, is only 5-6 games. I understand trying to remain level headed, and when you see some people going overboard, you try to go overboard the other way.
    But when you say things like “the nightmare continues” when a young humble kid has another good game, and in the clutch — one can sort of see why you might be branded a hater, even if you’re not.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    nbk, I know what a foam finger is. You asking if I’m 7 years old is hysterical, considering you and your twitter lollipop gang are about as childish (and bitter) as they come. Keep up the good work around here!

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    The starting lineup for that Sonics team without Ray Allen was, Flip Murray, Brent Barry, Rashard Lewis, Vladimir Radmonovic, Calvin Booth. – With Antonio Daniels, Vitaly Potapenko, & Reggie Evans coming off the bench. This Knicks team is way more talented.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    And by hesitation, I mean that as a compliment… that stop and go style which is hard to defend. And when he gets to the cup, the boy can FINISH.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    What makes sense Teddy, is comparing Lin to people who did something very similar. Which, like it or not, is Flip Murray. There is nothing wrong with that, at all.

  • bull22

    @orange, i will give credit to lin for being better then some of the scrubs (except the lakers) he is playing against. dont get to exicted yeah. new jersey,utah,washington,la lakers,minnesota,toronto. 3 of these teams have not even reached double-digit victories. one is barely 500 and another is a double-digit win team one game under 500. iam so looking foward when lin plays hardcore defenses and see how he does.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    Orange, idk what your talking about. Bitter about what? Twitter lollipop gang? lol ok buddy.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Would you rather play with Rashard Lewis, Brent Barry, Antonio Daniels, and Rad Vlad, or Tyson Chandler and Steve Novak? The Knicks obviously have a more talented roster *with* Melo and Amare, except Lin didn’t have them during that stretch.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Tealish, that nightmare line was supposed to be seen as a joke but I guess not.
    Fair enough on similarities in Nash and Lin’s games (even though I don’t see it) but what comparisons are there between him and JKidd, JStockton and Earl Monroe?
    Teddy, there was racism in my comment? that’s news to me.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also it’s not “very similar” because Lin did it in his first consecutive starts and passed Iverson, Shaq and Dan Issel. That’s a huge accomplishment even if we discredit everything else. But we’re just nitpicking now; let’s move on.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    I would rather have Lin, Shumpert, Fields, Novak, Chandler over that Sonics team, everyday, of every week.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And I like JT bringing up people calling Lin’s detractors racist. Who the hell said anything about racism? l didn’t read Floyd’s tweet, but that is all I’ve heard regarding racism.
    Dude is really compensating for the hype by being irrational in the opposite direction, like tealish said.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    like I said
    .
    nbk Posted: Feb.15 at 1:22 pm
    “What Lin is doing is unheard of because it’s his first real crack at heavy minutes, not because nobody else has ever had a similar stretch of games.” .
    Other then that, it’s “very similar”

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    NBK: Bickering or debating is one thing. Constant trolling and ridiculous name calling is something different. Obviously I’m not talking about everyone and me and you have had plenty of conversations and debates about a number of things. I was singling anyone out, just making a general statement that I hope may wave a red flag for whoever the mod is now (not sure if it’s still Ryne?)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    “No one said that JT, but you can feel outraged all you want. And who said anything about racism?” According to the book of Teddy.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ nbk: I would too. But when we’re talking about whose *teammates* are more talented, we can’t bring Lin and Murray into the equation because they aren’t their own teammates. Obviously the Knicks are a better team than the Sonics were then because A) They’re winning and B) Jeremy Lin is a better player than Flip Murray. Minus Lin and minus Murray, I wouldn’t take the Knicks sans Melo and Amare.
    That’s no knock on Flip Murray but like I said, it’s not an accurate or an astute comparison worth making when Lin is balling out of his mind and winning.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Lin reminds me of Jordan, shaq & wilt wrapped up in all one. he’s more clutch than lebron and his vision is better than nash’s and john stockton, magic was crazy comparing them fools to him.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I wasn’t calling you a racist. I was asking you why you continue to say something like “If you aren’t singing Lin’s praises, his fans will call you a *racist* and a hater.” I’m not sure why you insist on doing that.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I’m glad tealish doesn’t hate my skeptiscm like everybody else did. and EVERY player has the right to be scrutinized, and analyzed from jamario moon to kobe bryant. Jeremy Lin doesn’t give a F*ck if we talk about how he plays and who we compare him to, why do you? and 2nd what exactly is wrong with the flip murray comparison?

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    there’s no mod that does anything about anything Tad. It’s like the wild west out here.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    @Eboy: I dont think you can entertain trading Melo until you actually give it a chance of working or not working out. Melo isn’t dumb so I’m sure he can see what is going on in this 6 game win streak. As crazy as it sounds, he needs to adapt his game to Lin’s and not the other way around.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    If we took Line and Murray out I would still take the Knicks. Even without Melo and Amar’e.
    .
    - Flip was balling out of his mind, and winning. He even hit a GW on his 5th start. And the Sonics started that season 8-2.
    .
    .
    It’s a very very worthy comparison.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ datkid: They’re completely different players and I don’t feel like repeating myself. This is going in circles.
    And yes SLAM comment boards are completely unregulated whatsoever. lmao. The rules are there for show. Actually I think trolling has gone up since the rules were posted.

  • LA Huey

    I agree TAD. Melo just needs to trust that Lin will find him in the right spots. And keep the ball moving if the defense is scrambling. But old habits die hard…

  • LA Huey

    SLAMOnline is 4Chan for basketball.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    you’re arguing with me like you know what your saying. When clearly, you don’t Teddy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think the problem is the criticism goes beyond breaking down his game to almost willing him to fail.
    Look, I understand. I used to be at this point with Nash when I thought his hype was going to drive me crazy. Same with Dirk because I felt with both players there were ulterior motives. But, I’ve mellowed with age to a degree.
    Lin has flaws, and they should be discussed. But, when that’s the gist of your comment after the dude kills like he’s killed and hits a game winner as the cherry, well people are going to be bothered. Plus, people hate discussions that involve race in any shape or form in this country. Hate them with a passion.
    I think people are too cool about the turnovers and the fact that his game is currently on the juice thanks to Mike D’s offense. It’s not his fault he plays for the Balco Labs of point guard play, but it is a reality.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Because on damn near every sports site, anyone that dares to question dude’s talent/skill is branded a racist/hater. Take Mayweather for example (not that I agree with his comment), dude give Lin his prop by saying he’s a good player but no one mentions that,they all focused in on him saying “the only reason Lin’s getting all the hype is because he’s asian”. I don’t agree with that but everyone branded Mayweather a racist off a simple statement. If that’s all it takes for you to be a racist then what do we call the KKK?

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    LOL 4chan for basketball… and other than the impressive point total (which again is cool) the only real difference seems to be that the knicks are winning. which to me isn’t the point of the comparison. but cook on.

  • Mike from Spain

    Someone asked if Lin is = or better than Rubio at this point. I am a massive Rubio fan, but I have to say that Lin finishes better at the rim, is somewhat more athletic, shoots (much? a lot?)better and looks to be taylor made for the offense that the Knicks run. As for Rubio, he seems to be a better defender, seems to protect the basketball better (even though he gets a lot of burn because of his turnovers), he is a great leader, he runs the break beautifully, and has this flashy passing that assist numbers alone cannot really explain. So who’s best? It looks to me that these few games the Knicks needed Lin’s talents more than the Wolves needed Rubio’s. What use is a good pass first guard in a team where they can’t buy an open bucket for vast stretches of the game… Lin has taken the scoring load when needed, and I cannot see Rubio becoming as much of a scorer in the foreseeable future. This said, Rubio is my guy :)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’ve always focused on breaking down Lin’s game never on “wishing he would fail”. Why would I do that? The game I love is experiencing a surge in hype all because of what he’s done the past 6gms. Many players have hit GWs yet we all come on here to discuss what they did right and wrong during the game. It’s the nature of real basketball fans to breakdown a player’s game and not focus just on the good parts.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t Lin is even in the conversation with Rubio as far as passing.
    But, he is much more aggressive and confident as a shooter/scorer. And Rubio is good on defense. He won’t lockdown everybody, but he makes everybody work which is an underrated skill.
    So, to me, Rubio is better.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I didn’t brand Mayweather a racist, but it’s a stupid @ss tweet and actually pretty insulting. Something that backhanded is not even a compliment. That’s like saying: “You know, that black dude is a pretty good doctor, but I think he only got into Med School ’cause of affirmative action.” And then defending that statement by saying “No one talks about me calling him a good doctor!”
    I’m pretty sure you would call that racist. Now, I’m not stupid enough to believe that a few insensitive remarks = actual institutional racism, but you don’t have to be the KKK or the DEA to make a racist statement.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    SMH, the doubters/critics just keep on searching and searching for someone to compare Lin to in order to make sense of all this Linsanity! Give it up, and just accept the fact that Lin is special. Not saying he’s perfect, or the best point guard in the league by any stretch. The bottom line BOYS and GIRLS, is Jeremy Lin is the point guard the Knicks sorely needed to run D’Antoni’s system, and he’s played a significant role making the game a lot easier and a lot more fun for this current collection of Knicks. What doesn’t show up in the boxscore is the effect Lin has had on the Knicks team chemistry. There were signs the Knicks team was coming together in losses against Chicago and Boston, but Lin has proved to be the final piece/catalyst that brought this team completely together. The Knicks defense is much much better, and their offense is only going to continue to get better…the sky is the limit, and that’s the TRUTH I “spit.” Can you handle it? lol

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    considering how badly Lin struggled against Rubio (and presumably will against other good/smart defensive PG’s). And how he really isn’t a very good shooter (he didn’t hit a single shot from 10-19 feet last night – from 3-9 feet he shoots 31.9%, and is under 20% for 3 on the season) he is just uber confident & aggressive (I absolutely love that), which pays off during pressure situations. – and the previously mentioned differences in passing ability I would take Rubio long term. But Lin seems like he is going to be a solid scoring PG for a while, or at least the remainder of this season.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Did he struggle against Rubio? I seem to remember both of them having abysmal shooting nights. Lin shot 8-24 and Rubio shot 5-15. Both had 8 assists. Lin had more turnovers but Rubio had the worst turnovers that cost Minny the game. Lin won with a far inferior roster. If you prefer Rubio that’s fine (I’m high on Rubio as well) but let’s not act like he manhandled Lin.

  • T-Money

    where are all these people that want lin to fail? i keep hearing about them. all i’ve seen so far is praise or, at worst, caution while acknowledging that he is killing right now.

  • LA Huey

    I didn’t read the Mayweather quote but if JTaylor quoted him correctly in his comment above, then it appears Floyd is just ignorant iof Lin’s story. I wouldn’t brand it as racist. Lin being a race that’s generally jeered upon when it comes to athleticism, certainly adds to sensationalism but is only a smaller part of it all.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    nbk Posted: Feb.13 at 11:41 am
    In the Knicks’ 100-98 win over the Timberwolves on Saturday, Lin shot just 3-of-14 and scored eight points when defended by Rubio. In the second half, Lin was 0-for-7 and scored just one point against Rubio. Against all other defenders, Lin shot 5-of-10 and scored 12 of his 20 points.

  • Mike from Spain

    @Teddy the Bear -> far inferior roster? OK, there is Kevin Love and there is Pekovic… but woe unto you if you think Wes Johnson, Martell Webster, Beasley, Tolliver or Ridnour are better than anyone in NYCs roster. The wolves have some good players in their roster but the roster is very unbalanced. The fact that we start Wes Johnson at the 2 makes me heave…

  • LA Huey

    Haha. nbk is such a nerd. I bet you sent a Valentine’s Day card to the Elias Sports Bureau and STATS LLC.

  • http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=843 nbk

    LMAO you think they’d have sent me a ticket if I would have? should have thought of that. Daryl Morey have a +1?

  • Heals

    We’re gonna need a new ceiling for Lin. A new ceiling for Lin? We just put in 2 new ones last week!?! I know, I know, but that’s the order, the kid needs a new ceiling…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Mike from Spain: Pekovic and Kevin Love. Chandler and Steve Novak. End of story.

  • bike

    Man, don’t you know Stern is absolutely eating this up. This has got to be the ultimate wet dream for the old man. Dollar signs dancing in his head, possibility of global expansion, cultural diversity finally happening, and the commercials! Oh the commercials! Maybe even Rhoads Scholar groupies! The nba will now be known as the Ivy League!!…Oh man…

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @Teddy you can’t change certain people’s opinions… They’re just too dug in. Just enjoy the Knicks season turning around and know they’re burning up inside during this Knicks awakening. :)

  • Mike from Spain

    @ Teddy the bear -> Kevin Love is great on boards and offense, not that good in the defensive end ; Pekovic is great on the offensive end but not so much in the defensive end. Novak has been shooting lights out the last few games, Chandler is great in the defensive end. Perhaps the inadequacies at other roster spots make up for the possible advantage in the 4 and 5. Let’s take the Ridnour/Shumpert matchup, or Wes Johnson in offense, or the bone-headed play by Beasley… To me it is not so crystal clear that the Wolves are leaps and bounds better…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teddy’s analogy was very good, but a little off, only because hype is not directly related to talent or performance. It’s related to what people like.
    But, I agree with you that giving a lukewarm compliment and then making a wildly racially insensitive and inaccurate comment is always going to overshadow your lukewarm compliment. That is common sense.

  • Mike from Spain

    @orange -> do you think that debate is only to change other people’s opinions? I thought that you also listen to them. Or is it not so with you? That is why you think everyone who does not immediately echo your opinion is not worth talking to? I take it from your last post. In any case, I am open to debate, I am not open to patronizing comments.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    I don’t think it’s a huge number of people, but whenever anybody actively roots for someone to fail, there is going to be backlash unless you’re rooting against LeBron.
    Then you’re golden.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, and NBK i found out you can sign up for Synergy Sports access for like $89 a year or something. That includes full playback of any game, or every player’s performance in a particular game and all kinds of stuff. I figured you’d want to know.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    WoW Allen good looking out, I am about to try and get that in the next month or so (y’all haven’t seen “nerdy” yet) And that is a better price than League-Pass – and it’s on demand basically…..

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Mike, I don’t care if someone has a differing opinion than mine. I could disagree with someone forever and still be cool with them, as long as they don’t make it personal. Do you know what I mean?

  • webstarr

    Lin’s playing really well and yet he still gets all of these people trying to nay say. Just wait till he has a really bad game. It’s not a matter of just saying the kid has game…people want to clarify the fact that they don’t think he’s a top tier point guard. After six games nobody knows what he is. After one season you barely know what he’ll be. Calm down.

  • el_larsen

    GONG BIG BEN WALLACE

  • Mike from Spain

    @ Orange -> OK , I guess I read more than there really was.

  • el_larsen

    i m a knicks hater,but now i m watching all their games.Jlin is that good!
    NBA where amazing happen.
    another sad loss for my pistons.But congrats to bigben.His defense on timmy kept us in the game.he even nailed a 3pter,only his 7th in career.
    big ben you broke my heart when you went to the bulls.i forgave you cos you played really bad for them.
    i ll cry when your jersey will be hung in the palace sky.
    BBIG BEN WALLLACE GONG!!!!!!!!deetroit basketball

  • LA Huey

    We’re going to have to keep an eye on the news when we notice nbk’s been gone from the boards for a day or two (if that Synergy Sports access is for real). He’s going to end up like one of those South Korean dudes that are found dead at an internet cafe from a Starcraft overdose.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    24, 22, 24, 24, 29, 20, 16, 26, 31, 26, 21. Those are the numbers Flip Murray put up during his first 11 career starts in the NBA (the sonics went 7-4 during that stretch) *just saying*

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah they started 6-2 then teams started to figure Flip out as a playmaker. – started forcing a ton of turnovers.
    .
    - Eventually teams figured out how he liked to score and took that away as well.

  • T-Money

    on another note, the rumors were true: allen inverson is actually dead-a– broke. he wasn’t able to cut a check for 800k to a jeweler. it says on his basket-ref page that he made 154 mil in the league and that’s not counting the lifetime reebok deal. it just doesn’t seem possible to blow that kind of money. so sad.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^WOW. You couldn’t pay me to get rid of that much money that fast…. Does that make sense?…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well, he probably only made like $85 million after taxes and deductions. Then he’s taking care of his entire family, they want to floss and he’s flossing. (Do people still say flossing these days?)
    It’s not that hard to imagine if you think about supporting like 30 people and living reckless.
    Also, i don’t if he “couldn’t” or if he “wouldn’t.”
    I remember when Birdman defaulted on a couple houses down here and had some other shady financial stuff. People were saying he was broke. Then it came out that dude is worth $100 million. Hell Donald Trump was born rich and had declared bankruptcy three different times and now he’s worth more than a billie.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    idk why my comment isn’t showing up, but, he traveled with a posse of 50ish people, and spent a considerable amount of money on Jewelry for himself and his mom. Prolly has millions in assets, and little in cash.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Bl3GRdULQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player 1982

    @AllenP does Synergy sports have blacked out games, League Pass Games, National games too? I have league pass mobile, but that’s only LP games. LP mobile is only $40 though. No playoffs…

  • Riggs

    @allenp: Trump going bankrupt was so he didn’t get sued (all 3 times). He’s the sleaziest dude in the world but he knows how to generate money.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    1982, Synergy is used for scouting purposes, not media purposes (as I don’t know if the games are even shown in the same format as a game — F.E. – One continuous film). You don’t have to worry about Black-Outs or any of that stuff though.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay I only vaguely remember that season with Flip, and I didn’t know he was that good during that stretch.
    I still have no idea what the point of bringing him up is. He’s one player out of many, most of them all-time greats, who Lin beat out in total points for his first five starts.
    I’m not saying anything about how good I think Lin will be–I’m saying can we stop trying to predict how low his ceiling will be? It’s hilarious that every game he wins comes with an asterisk. That’s just stupid. And I don’t care enough about Flip Murray to be having this debate.
    That’s like saying “Hey guys, Tony Delk scored 50 in a game once! That means Brandon Jennings will only be as good as Tony Delk because HE scored 55 points that one time!” Do you seriously think that’s logical? lmao.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    What exactly is Synergy? Is it the same as league pass, but just a different provider of the same games?

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    @Teddy, well obviously Lin will now be better than Shaq, Iveron and Mj because it’s only seriously logical =P.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The Point about Flip Murray is just as relevant as the point about Shaq and Dan Issel and every other name you dropped. Moreso actually because Lin is definitely closer to Flip as a player.
    .
    Synergy is a scouting tool. It breaks down EVERYTHING on EVERY play during the NBA season. It’s like nerd heaven.

  • blakos

    JTaylor21 Posted: Feb.15 at 2:05 pm
    Because on damn near every sports site, anyone that dares to question dude’s talent/skill is branded a racist/hater. Take Mayweather for example (not that I agree with his comment), dude give Lin his prop by saying he’s a good player but no one mentions that,they all focused in on him saying “the only reason Lin’s getting all the hype is because he’s asian”. I don’t agree with that but everyone branded Mayweather a racist off a simple statement. If that’s all it takes for you to be a racist then what do we call the KKK?
    Mayweather is more ignorant than racist.

  • davidR

    nbk is probably right. iverson HAS to have a lot of assets (properties, cars, jewelry, etc), but probably doesn’t have cash or any liquid assets.

  • startown

    Geez Lin has played well but I don’t think you can say he is better than Rubio or whoever until he is in the top 5 in a statistical category. If he finishes the season with a 20 point or 9 assist average, well, sure then he deserves some major hype.

    Rubio is top 5 in assists and steals. Jennings is averaging over 18 point a game. Let’s ride out this season then make comparisons.

    Not that I don’t think the 6 wins is impressive, as that is really all that matters (wins)…!

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    I just went to SynergySports.com and I couldn’t find any price schemes or sign up forms or anything – is it not offered yet or is it a Press Only type of thing?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teddy you missed the point completely.
    The question raised was why is Lin so popular when other players have pulled off similar feats and not gotten the same level of attention.
    Not who would be better.
    The truth is the point is stupid. Lin is more popular than Flip because he’s an Asian, Harvard graduate who plays for a Knicks team that was slumming.
    But, Flip wasn’t below the radar. It was a big deal, I remember because one of my homies is from Philly and cool with Flip and he documented like every media mention. So, people were talking about Flip, I remember it. But, not on the same level as this mainly because the media landscape was different, and because Flip’s story wasn’t AS different as Lin’s. The Asian/Harvard hook is a bigger deal. After all, people except that there are random black guys nobody has heard of who can hoop. It’s more surprising when it happens to a random Asian guy who went to an Ivy League school. That’s how the world is.

  • Myung

    Flip played for 8 seasons. Almost 500 games. Almost 5000 points. Is that a bad career?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Hell no, Flip has had an admirable NBA career

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Flip’s the sh*t. Always enjoyed him as a Sonic. He played backup PG for the Green and Gold sometimes too. I remember I thought he was going to challenge for a starting spot at PG in 2003 because he was dominating in the Summer L games, but Ridinour and Antonio Daniels pretty much had that position covered then so he mostly backed up Ray Allen. He had a game winner or two also. He also had a cool tattoo that was the letter “F” in what was suppose to look like the Superman logo. Assuming that was for his nickname “Flip.” Surprised he didn’t stay in the L longer honestly. He was guaranteed double digit points if given more than 25 mins.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow you should spend some time actually reading the comments.

  • Myung

    I feel like the reason some of you (not all but some) are bringing up Flip is because you’re saying, “Well, FLIP had a nice start to his career, but he basically didn’t maintain that level of play and became just an average player after that.” What’s the point? Flip’s career is done. We can look back and review his career because it’s over. Jeremy’s career isn’t done. All of us on here (myself included) judged him after his first game. Then his second. Then his third. So on. A lot of us (myself included) ate crow. I manned up after his third game and said I underestimated his ceiling. But the point is, his career is not done. When all is said and done, he might last for 2 years and only WISH he had the career someone like Flip Murray had. Or he might play on a few All Star teams and have a 12 year career. Maybe something in between. Bottom line: we should all just stop projecting how good Lin is going to be because we all were terrible at it a week ago and ended up looking foolish.

  • Myung

    And I actually didn’t mind some of the things Floyd said. I don’t like him, nor do I agree with his tone, but I get the gist of what he’s saying. We all know all this attention coming Jeremy’s way is because he is Asian. But if that were the ONLY thing, then that would be stupid. He is getting the Tebow treatment because he is actually GOOD. Had he been a one game fluke, no one would be talking about him any more. It’s because he has sustained his high level of play that we keep talking about him. But OF COURSE his race has something to do with the attention. Anyone who denies that is ignorant and blind. I just wish Floyd didn’t say that was the ONLY reason Jeremy was getting all this attention. That’s completely misguided.

  • davidR

    nbk, i’m pretty sure lakeshow is just ranting about how he liked flip. what’s wrong with his comment?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He’s at the very least, showing how good he can be.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yes, davidR is correct. I heard Sonics somewhere and then saw Flip somewhere and it sprung a nostalgic zombie like response that I don’t remember typing lol.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Nothing wrong with it just saw that his comment was about what we talked about earlier. Thought he’d be interested in it lol

  • el_larsen

    myung is right.don’t mind where we re going with lin,just enjoy the trip !

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    All YOU guys were terrible at it a week ago…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The Macarena?

  • That Dude

    Jeremy is getting hyped because ultimately it is a human story. He is an underdog on every level – no D1 offers, ivy league, undrafted, asian, cut from two teams, a few days away from being cut again – all of this factors in and its not something we need to shy away from. Despite all this, he came in as the 12th man and played with the confidence of a top-5 draft pick. He is breaking barriers socially and on the court. Is he getting hyped cause he is Asian? Sure, its a part of it. Mayweather said Lin is getting hyped only cause he’s Asian and black players who put up the same numbers dont get talked about. Truly inaccurate – Lin is breaking records, and B) most black players who put up similar numbers are all-stars and first round draft picks.

  • That Dude

    Im a hug boxing fan and i think Mayweather would smoke Pacquiao – but he makes it really hard for any sensible person to like him. He is an utter racist and is a caricature of the stereotypical young black male. Apparently he plays this alter-ego for money. He does nothing for blacks in this country and is a sell-out if there ever was one.

  • That Dude

    * huge

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Ben Wallace is an undrafted Hall of Fame center.
    Broke records.
    He did not garner much hype until he hit his prime.
    Lin is garnering hype now.
    As is such, Mayweather is not totally inaccurate, no?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Philo, defensive players rarely garner the attention that a offensive oriented player does. Also, Wallace got plenty of hype when he deserved it as Lin is now. Wallace never averaged double digit points and as I said you don’t get tons of hype being a defensive machine. That’s something that only true basketball heads enjoy. He came into the L in 96. We all know the great players that came from that draft and the next. Wallace never even became a great player till his 4th year when he came to Det. Completely different circumstances. Choose a better player to compare imo.

  • Myung

    First of all, calling him a Hall of Famer is a stretch. Is he really a shoe in? Secondly, if Ben played in 2012, I’m sure he’d receive a lot of hype. Remember what wasn’t around 10 years ago: Twitter. Facebook. YouTube. The hype machine right now is a lot worse than back then. You can’t compare the hype a player receives today to ones a decade ago. Trust, if Jordan were in his prime today or Iverson, the coverage of them would be incredible. Thirdly, Ben accomplished practically nothing his first four years in the League (three with WAS, one with ORL). Lastly, he got SLAM covers. People were wearing those Fro wigs. He was one the most popular players in the NBA for several years.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Ha! Nbk’s deadpan ‘the macarena?’ response to Philo slayed me.
    Right up there with majestic galloping unicorns as one of the funniest comments this season.
    Hilarious.

  • Myung

    The point is, JL is getting all this hype because he is having a terrific run on the court, because he’s in NY (media center of the world), the Knicks are winning, he’s a Christian, he’s humble, he’s an underdog, and YES, because he’s an Asian American. But are the people griping that he is getting all this attention because he’s Asian American… the same people that griped that Obama was getting similar attention in 2008 because of HIS race? No. Because many of same people griping about the attention Lin is apparently stealing from more deserving black players were trumpeting Obama’s election (which I had no problem with). Obama being (half) black is a big deal. I understand that. It shouldn’t be understated or ignored. I’m THRILLED that we have a black President. He’s a pioneer, a role model, and he gives hope to so many. Maybe a part of him wishes he could just be a President, but the fact remains, he is a BLACK President. And while Jeremy may or may not want to be the great yellow hope for Asian Americans (which is very different from what Yao or Yi were), that’s what he is. Larry Bird carried that burden. Warren Moon and Randall Cunningham once carried a similar burden. Barack Obama is carrying that burden. Eminem is carrying that burden. Omri Casspi is carrying that burden. And now Jeremy is carrying that burden.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @LakeShow:
    Wallace wasn’t a great player until his 4th season? Would he have been great earlier if given the opportunity, such as Lin received?
    Arguable. We shall never know.
    Interesting, for Lin wasn’t considered a great player until given a real opportunity, which we are witnessing.
    Also, D.Keith Rodman is celebrated as a an all time great defender. As is Russell. As is Bowen. As was Ron Artest. As was Jeffrey Jordan and Scottie Pippen.
    Now, not saying that Lin doesn’t deserve the recognition. I think he is very deserving.
    I’ll also say this;
    Delaney Rudd was an exceptional player. Never saw the light of day in the NBA after Utah.
    Sedale Threatt was another one. (Jeremy Lin and Sedale Threatt are comparable to each other, skill set wise…)
    Lloyd Daniels.
    I do not know.
    Maybe you’re right at the end of the day.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @Myung:
    Point taken…

  • Myung

    Philosopher, I love it when you drop knowledge in here. I was weaned on 80′s and 90′s basketball… when you mention those guys, I think back to all my Fleer, Skybox, and Hoops basketball cards.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Man I was hoopin with/against Sedale’s son a couple years ago. Don’t remember much about his game when he was in the league though.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I appreciate that, Myung. I really do.
    And I appreciate your vast knowledge on everything you speak about on these lines. I’ve never seen you mess up, up here. Not once.
    We have something in commom when it comes to thse basketball cards.
    Shout out to Upper Deck.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    *those*
    Sedale Threatt was a good player. Respectable career. Blossomed with the Lakers when E.J. “The Deejay” retired.
    Good scoring point guard. A little streaky on the shot, although he had a decent mid-range game. Good on the passing lanes.
    The knock on him was that he would dribble out the shot clock too frequently.
    Ended up with some personal issues in the end, but…
    He was a good player in his day.
    The 166th pick in the draft.
    Jeremy Lin Sr.
    When talking purely about basketball.

  • Myung

    Nah, I mess up all the time. Lots of Hawks nonsense I spew. Or how about last week when I said Lin’s first two games were flukes and that he had hit his ceiling? I came on here and admitted I was wrong after the Washington game, but I looked foolish for questioning him. I’m a big fan of his, but I guess I had low expectations. Anyway… LONG LIVE THE KING!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Thanks Philo.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Your affinity for the Hawks is refreshing. The mark of a true fan, in my opinion.
    There are worse teams to be affectionate towards.
    Like the Timberwolves, or something. lol

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    No doubt, nbk.

  • Mansonovic

    I think he probably is being overhyped, but people need to remember that we almost didn’t have a season. After those months and months of depression and anger, during the lockout discussions, maybe people just need this feel-good story…just something to remind them of why they love basketball so much?

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