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Wednesday, March 28th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  149 responses

Andrew Bynum Doesn’t Agree With Benching, Will Shoot More Threes


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

The Los Angeles Lakers may not win the NBA title this year, but they are without a doubt, the champions of drama.

A couple nights after the infamous fourth quarter benching of Kobe Bryant by head coach Mike Brown, it was Andrew Bynum’s turn to ride the pine for not sticking to the game plan.

Early in the third quarter against the Golden State Warriors last night, Bynum inexplicably jacked up a three-pointer, which enraged his coach, and resulted in the big fella barely seeing the court again for the rest of the game.

A defiant Bynum told the media horde following the Laker victory that he didn’t truly understand why he was benched, and promised to launch even more three pointers in the future.

From the LA Times:

Brown yanked Andrew Bynum from the game early in the third quarter after the center badly missed a three-point shot, though Bynum appeared amused on the bench as he mimicked the form on his release. “That’s something that I thought could have taken us out of rhythm, so I took him out of the game,” Brown said.

Bynum sat out the rest of the third quarter and played only 2:50 in the fourth quarter, finishing with 11 points and five rebounds in 23 minutes. “I don’t know what was bench-worthy about it,” said Bynum, who indicated he wanted to continue taking shots from beyond the three-point arc. “I made one [Sunday] night and I missed one tonight.” Did Brown talk to him about the shot? “Not yet,” Bynum said. “I’m sure he wants to.”

Andrew Bynum has attempted 4 threes so far this season, and actually connected on one. He claims that this is a part of his game that intends to develop going forward.

May God help us all — and may he especially help Mike Brown.

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  • Ryan D.

    Andrew Bynum is the straight up worst. Kobe is still the man though.

  • King David

    smh at centers shooting 3s

  • Rhubarb Rhino

    The K Love effect! Guards post up so why can’t big fellas jack it?

  • MUBWAR

    Drew the only center who can get away with jacking up 3p in the regular is Bargnani

  • tomtom

    The headline is dumb, when does he say he will shoot more of them exactly? Weird. Anyway that was the most inexplicable play of his career, including barrea-gate, but I like his quirkyness n unflappable confidence. No more 3s plz socks!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    It is obvious that the players look at Brown as a joke and could care less about disrespecting him.

  • Deedre

    @Rhubarb because he can’t shoot. Lol

  • D.A.

    If you want to see centres jacking threes, come to AUS and watch the NBL…. What a joke….

  • ChipS

    I thought World Peace throwing his arms up thinking it was going in was the highlight of the play. Just because you made one at the buzzer in a game you lost(and he posed lol) doesn’t mean you take one in a game that you’re barely winning with 16 seconds left on the shot clock!

  • Yesse

    What was bench worthy about it?

    First of all it was not a double digit lead, second you guys had plenty of time in the shot clock left. It was a dumb move.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bet Marc Gasol wouldn’t do this. He stays in his lane.

  • T-Money

    i have no problem with bynum taking threes IF he’s putting in the work and practising that shot every day. if he just decided to jack up threes without getting the reps in practice, then it’s bench-worthy. everything you do on the big stage must be well rehearsed.

  • ALD

    i dnt like how mike brown is being treated…. Bynum would have never took a 3 if phil was coaching… I would have benched him too… Bynum is an idiot and is very imature

  • razzell2

    Andrew Bynum. His ego is expanding with his success. He is a 7 year veteran acting like a rookie. Heck, even a rookie wouldn’t let his childish emotions show like Bynum did in last night’s game.
    The 3 point shot by Bynum I’m not worried to much about. It’s WHEN he took it, and his babyish attitude after getting pulled from the game that bothers me.

    @JTaylor21.. You may be on to something there. Hopefully benching Kobe and then benching Bynum will send a message, earn him some respect from the Laker’s players.

  • dee

    Lakers have over close to 10 players on the current roster that acually has the green light to shoot the 3. Bynum is supposed to be 1 of the top 2 centers in the game, why would he ever think it was cool to do that during a close game when there was plenty of time to give the ball up, go down in the post and go to work? Maybe it was the lack of respect they had for the Warriors? Either way, it was a bad look. Outside of the allstar game, I don’t want to see Bynum launching 3′s.

  • allen3

    and this is supposed to be the best center in the nba

    the lakers should hire charles oakley for 10 days just for slapping him anytime he jack up 3s and laugh on the bench

  • LP

    Give him a break, it’s very common for your 19 year old center to make mistakes like this…….give Bynum a break

  • Top$helf

    For some odd reason I dnt think he’s still 19 call it a hunch

  • timbo slice

    bombs away! hahaha

  • LP

    It was a joke, the joke being that he isn’t F$%*ing 19 anymore,and why is he experimenting with shooting 3s in a meaningful NBA game, with the score being close……

  • http://twitter.com/mavus15 Mavus

    Nobody is bring up the point that he shouldn’t be setting picks at the 3 point line!!!! There has been times when Bynum gets the ball at the top of the key and is just holding it looking for Blake or someone to get open.. it’s a dumb play, period. Bynum should be in the low post or coming out 18 to 20 every play.. it’s the plays that are terrible.

  • Ali

    Another learning lesson. This guy has needed alot of coaching and mentoring over the years. After last season he started feeling himself, which is what you want (a confident player!) But recently it seems like he’s learning alot of lessons on and off the court. Hopefully he can pull it together and use this shi* as fuel for a deep playoff run for Lakers. Only time will tell. I still don’t like this bullshi* 66 game season though.

  • Heals

    Soooo much needless drama with this team. They’ve never been a “tight” squad and once again it exposes itself. Team has everything it takes to win a chip, but egos always comes first for a couple guys in that lockerroom…

  • MikeC.

    At least Brown is using benching to send a message. It’s the only power he has.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    @Allenp. Marc Gasol is 1 for 11 for three-pointers this season. I don’t think all of them are last second heaves..

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Well on the bright side, Brown benching Bynum and Bryant is SORT of like what Pop is doing with the Spurs… resting them for the playoffs. Except apparently he doesn’t pass the memo to his players first..lol

  • AD

    Those Kobe shots were clutch. He makes some… he misses some.. but he always has the balls to take them. Gotta respect that.

  • bike

    ‘You let Kobe do whatever the hell he wants to, why can’t I’

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJwoEHRU_A&feature=related TheKid

    Cosign JTaylor. The Lakers are done. Theyre heading back to a couple years back when it was Kobe killing, but the Lakers not winning. SMGDH

  • T. Brown

    Andrew Bynum is certified crazy.

  • sheed

    hey andrew, 1 of 4 is almost as good as ray felton for the season. nice…

  • ab40

    save it for next season. I bet he can and he’s developing the shot but games at the end of the season are not times to start testing out a new part of your game.

  • Otis

    The thing with Bynum is that whenever I’ve seen him interviewed, he seems quite bright and articulate. And then he goes and does stuff like this and nearly killing JJ Barea and etc.

  • ash

    Man Lakers are trying to get rid of Mike Brown. It seems like Bynum n Kobe has no respect for him. I heard on radio Bynum did say he wants to shoot more 3s. He’s immmature

  • JMM

    Bynum is a twit.

  • AQWORD

    Kobe has balls? Ad. Stop smoking dat ish fawg. Kobe s a reckless wanna b immitation of MJ who had the guts & skill combined. Kobe s just a very poor mans version of MJ & will never be respected by me. Hes just like a slightly sooped version of gilbert a & bynum is Big Baby 2.

  • robbievanpersie

    three hard fouls and got ejected…lool

  • http://www.twitter.com_dfrance dfrance21

    Bynum is a fool. I hate watching his smug face as he runs up and down the court. He’s a wannabe tough guy and because he’s having a fairly decent season, he thinks its time to show up the coach. Like someone said, he would NEVER pull this crap with Phil Jackson. You may not like Mike Brown, but at the moment he is your coach you should show him that respect.

  • http://www.twitter.com_dfrance dfrance21

    @AQWORD I’d respect your comment if you just said that you’re a Kobe hater, but to say he’s a slightly sooped, which I’m taking as slightly better, version of Gilbert Arenas is slightly absurd.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    C’mon Bynum,don’t be an idiot.

  • smoove

    it was an ill-advised shot..if the coach didnt want that shot then thats what it is,,especially early in the shot clock.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Mike Brown & Andrew Bynum deserve each other.

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    @allenp. he does in fiba ball, hits them too

  • Drig

    @nbk………I see what you did there.

  • Omar

    ..And he better bench him the next time he does it too!

  • Mike Mihalow

    Lakers have officially fallen apart.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    everybody want to shoot three’s now, you don’t even have your mid-range shot down to perfection and worried about three’s. SMH

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Marc Gasol took 9 three pointers in Portland… Anyone want to cue me in on what happened that game? LOL.. Seriously.
    -Bynum, Your an idiot bud.

  • Michelle

    Let him shoot that damn 3 if he wants too (deserved it after hitting 1 the previous game) Brown needs to know when to react to a player and when not to because the Lakers dont need more drama especially without Fisher in the lockerroom to keep everyone together

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Who has the more caustic attitude, Bynum or Cousins?

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    Kobe Bryant is someone who can get away with dissing his own coach, or questioning plays. Andrew Bynum is not – the fact that he doesn’t get that is discouraging for people who thought he was getting better mentally. With that said, he’s shooting 25%. Not the worst for centers I bet…

  • Drig

    Come on now, as a Laker fan, I’ve come to expect this drama from them every season. Maybe the team likes to keep stirring the pot……..maybe those old legs need some adrenaline overdrive sometimes during the season lol.

  • Drig

    Cousins’ attitude seems to be improving. Bynum’s seems to be deteriorating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Caboose, Cousins.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    i think he just wants to be more versatile than Dwight.
    D12, step your game up! launch some 3s like the rest of your team!!

  • Drig

    @albie, as a Laker fan, I’d rather he become a versatile and sound post-player first.

  • philly4rm@frika

    drew, you are an idiot. Nuff said!

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    i think he just wants to be shooting 1-legged fadeaways 3′s like a fellow 7 footer named Dirk.
    at least that’s what the other 29 teams are hoping for.

  • abaci

    Bynum is a knucklehead, i get the feeling he just doesn’t get it and may never will get it

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I’ve compared Cousins to Derrick Coleman for a while now. Big guys, more athletic than you’d think, talented, good numbers, but their attitude just hurts teams so much, that they really aren’t valuable to other teammates.

  • mr.perfect

    it dont matter. if the guy wants to expand his game then let him shoot the basketball just because you 7’0 ft doesn’t mean a thing i dont have a problem with it as long as it dont get out of hand its a learning process people are hating because he wants to get better. if you dont shoot then you cant make it bottom line

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    Sorry but Bynum bugged out with this one… If you could fined for hard fouls, you should be able to get fined for stuff like this. You hit one 3 and think you have the green light? Stay in your lane Drew (LITERALLY)!

  • AD

    AQWORD Strong words for a nobody.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    mike brown will be the reason the lakers can’t win a championship.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    “Kobe s just a very poor mans version of MJ & will never be respected by me.” In an alternate universe out there, Kobe is really begging for your respect, AQWord. I never understand why certain fans think that they are sooo important to an NBA player’s life that the player should seek their approval and respect.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Nick, I bet AQWord has no respect for you. How does that make you feel??

  • O***

    Haha @AQWORD “Kobe s just a very poor mans version of MJ & will never be respected by me”

    What the hell is Kobe going to do now ?! No respect from an unknown guy on SlamOnline. I just hope he will be able to finish the season after this.

  • http://www.yahoo.com berkamore

    I already said on another thread that Bynum looked more interested in scoring than rebounding and defense.

    I saw the game yesterday and the three wasn’t the worst of it. Bynum was doing nothing (except shooting of course) not even running the floor. If you look at the play, Bynum takes the three at the top of the key because he’s the LAST laker to cross midcourt.

    And what does he do when he FIRST touches that ball? Launch a three with 16 seconds left on the clock, I understand why Brown was pissed.

  • http://www.yahoo.com berkamore

    And…after missing the three, as Bynum casually jogged back David Lee outran him and scored an easy layup. Like Doug Collins says: “A five point swing.” SMH.

  • http://slamonline.com p

    Nevermind the “3″ he took…his attitude and him not getting back on D really lost my respect for him…

  • robb

    Bynum shooting 3′s is stupid, but it’s obvious that Mike Brown is having major issues with his players. They just don’t seem to respect him, and I don’t blame them

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/business/media/for-martins-case-a-long-route-to-national-attention.html?_r=2&hp Allenp

    Umm, people do realize that every comment made on this site is pretty much made by a nobody who will have zero impact on the subject of those comments, right?
    Just checking.

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/business/media/for-martins-case-a-long-route-to-national-attention.html?_r=2&hp Allenp

    Mike Brown has a Lakers team that undeniably worse than they were last year when they got swept in the second round as the third best team in the West.
    I don’t think Grimace is a great coach, but give the man some respect. He is coaching one of the most stubborn, selfish players of any generation. And that player has all the power in the relationship.

  • heymanameis

    Damn. We already got a center who can actually shoot good in the free throw line, andrew doesn’t need to go and make the 3 pointer a part of his game

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Lol @Lake I am enraged that he lacks respect for me. I should retire my SLAM career and settle for second greatest ever, while pouting that I never got any respect.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    -Almost everyone realizes that Allen. Almost.
    -I will counter you on the “undeniably worse than last year” quote though.
    The Lakers IMO are better suited to win it all this year than last year. Reason: Ramon Sessions. Odom was obviously important. I’d love to have him back, but we all know rotations will be short in the post season and having Odom was a bonus, not a must when they won. Sessions gives them more than Odom. Coaching has been the biggest fall off. Jackson wasn’t great last year, but he had already set the tempo and offense up in year previous. Brown does need to start doing his job a little better. Like I said, I like him, but he is not a very good coach offensively. (Being polite here)
    -Nick, you’ve had a mediocre to solid Slam career. Same as Kobe in the NBA

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Co-sign JT21 about the players not having much respect for Mike Brown.

  • Heals

    Funny, cause Pau has taken several WTF? 3′s this year, but nobody blinks an eye at those…

  • http://Slamonline.com Kap

    @Allenp…didn’t know Iverson played for the Lakers. This team is much better than last year bc of emergence of Drew and Sessions plus the defense.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Pau is known for being one of the better 7 foot shooters. Typically to about 18 feet, but he extends to the three on average once a game. He’s knocked down a few this year… And I assure you, eyes blink when this happens. Everyone’s always talking about the Lakers huge advantage on the block and in the key, yet those two guys are shooting wayyyyyy to many jumpers and it needs to stop.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Kap, in Allen’s defense he said “one of the most selfish” Not the most selfish :)

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/business/media/for-martins-case-a-long-route-to-national-attention.html?_r=2&hp Allenp

    If you honestly believe Iverson was more stubborn and selfish than Kobe, then you didn’t watch the 2004 Finals. Seriously.
    And Lakeshow they just signed Ramon Sessions. They were third in the West before they got him.
    You all now bring McRoberts and Troy Murphy off your bench to replace Bynum and Gasol. That is such a horrible drop off it denies explanation. There is no way you can ignore how much Odom shored up the Lakers bench. Seriously, having the rotation of Bynum, Gasol and Odom is what made the Lakers extra dangerous. Odom was finishing games AHEAD of Bynum last year. Losing him was huge. Derek Fisher getting older was huge. Artest decaying even more was huge.
    Yes, there is a big dropoff from Phil Jackson to Mike Brown, but in reality the real problem is that before you all signed Sessions your roster had gotten so much worse it was laughable. In a League with a good to great point guard on almost every team, the Lakers had the worst point guard rotation by FAR.

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/business/media/for-martins-case-a-long-route-to-national-attention.html?_r=2&hp Allenp

    Also, Gasol has never been a good jump shooter. When Dirk took his manhood back in Memphis it was because Gasol couldn’t stop Dirk, and couldn’t score on his jumper. He’s passable, but he’s nowhere near one of the best big men shooters. Of course if you limit that to seven footers you have an argument, but that’s like saying Antoine Walker is the greatest fat, out of shape basketball player in the world.

  • dazzy

    Kobe may not care about AQWORD’s lack of respect for him, but kobe’s slam groupies sure do.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    Reporter: Antoine, why do you shoot so many 3s?
    Antoine: Because they don’t have 4s.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Maybe it was laughable to you. I wasn’t laughing. Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum is a top 5 Trio in the L. Yeah they had little to no help, but the Lakers don’t need Odom’s play making any more since they got Sessions. Odom was inconsistent to the point where it was, play him if he is doing well, or bench him if he’s having a dud night. Artest has not fallen off one bit since last year and barely much since 2 seasons ago when they won it all. He is still a top 10 defender in the L when he puts his mind to it. Barnes is playing twice as good as he ever has in a Lakers uni. He is back to his old GS days by how he’s been looking lately. Blake is a terrible starter, but now can finally play his real position of back up point guard.
    This team is slightly less talented, not severely less talented than the team that won 2 chips.
    No it’s not like saying “Antoine Walker is the greatest fat, out of shape basketball player in the world.” Gasol is legitimately a good shooter for a PF or Center. He’s not great, but the Lakers need him to spread the floor a little bit for Bynum. He can do that. I don’t like how many jump shots he takes, but he has earned the right to take a couple.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also, I forget to say this. If nobody’s opinions on random athletes will ever matter to those athletes then why rag on AQWORD for his comments?

  • Ash

    Allen, don’t you know that Kobe hired Lakeshow and the others to be the Kobe Bully-Busters around here? You can’t “gang up” on Kobe.

  • RunNGun

    Watching Bynum shoot threes is like watching Shaq shoot free throws. LOL

  • AD

    Because if Kobe were to visit any of our neighborhoods we’d be running to meet him. Even bAQward. You to Allen. Then he’d dunk on your mug and you’d never wash your face.

  • AD

    You know this to be true son.

  • AD

    Search your inner feelings…

  • AD

    I am your father!…

  • dazzy

    Four years ago, Nike hired my firm for a campaign. Kobe was a jerk to our entire team. I’d never give that a-hole the satisfaction of aknowledging his presence ever again in life unless I’m being paid to.

  • AD

    u sound bitter

  • AD

    like my ex girlfriend

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Year after year, the same aggressive Kobe love/hate fest in here.
    You all need to heed the advice of ‘ol shaggy haired blondy down in Dallas, put on your fav rings and….
    GO IN SWAG TO THE SYMPHONY!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    imo, Allen and Lakeshow are both right. The Lakers are better suited to win the West (not the finals) this year because of their shoring up the PG position. But they are also a worse team (before we talk about coaching) because they lost almost all of their bench depth – Sorry but McBob, Murphy, Hill, & Steve Blake don’t hold a candle to Odom, Brown, & a not dead Matt Barnes.
    .
    Lakeshow is right in that the coaching drop off is the most significant aspect of all of this, Mike Brown isn’t a “horrible” coach, but he isn’t in Phil Jackson’s Solar System.
    .
    This is my opinion if I have to say that, don’t want people over-reacting to what i’m saying.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    AD
    I saw Kobe at one of the games I covered for Slam. I wasn’t running to meet him. He is very good with the media when he wants to be though.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I remember watching the games before they got Sessions and just being appalled at the talent level. Now, the coaching was bad, but it was the talent that shocked.
    And I made it clear that I was talking about before they got Sessions, when they were playing Fisher, Morris and that that dude with the funny last name.
    And that team was still in the hunt thanks to Grimace.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    As a Hawks fan, this comment thread sounds like almost every Josh Smith related comment thread I have ever seen. Here’s an idea Lakers fans, do what we do in Philips Arena. Yell out “NOOOOOOOOOO!” every time Bynum takes a jumper and hope it works.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You think they are in the hunt thanks to grimace, or thanks to the fact that they have 3 of the top 20 players in the league and they haven’t suffered a single injury?

  • dazzy

    Sounding bitter>>> Sounding like a star-struck teenage girl. I’m sorry I stopped running up to grown men for autographs when I became one myself.

  • What

    Andrew Bynum shuold be kicked out of the league for being the most immature POS in the L. if you dont believe me then watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQO-0pfo2IY

  • What

    How can ANYONE respect this POS???

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    I think Mike Brown had them playing the best defense they’ve played in YEARS.
    He also had them playing horrible offense. The thing is, I’m not convinced Phil could have done much better with that roster after the botched Chris Paul trade and unloading Odom for nothing.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    cosign nbk 5:17. Browns defensive schemes are good. So I will give him that. That didn’t make them win those games though. Bryant, followed by Drew followed by Gasol a drop off, then Brown, is why they win games. Some people don’t see it in that order. I do. Kobe is the catalyst of the team.
    -It’s popular thought that Brown is one of the worse coaches in the L. I don’t agree fully, but there are merits to this. This isn’t news, but it can never be stated enough, he is a terrible offensive coach. We all know there are two sides to bball. The Lakers skilled players are why they win first and foremost.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, why do you think they are playing the best defense they have played in years exactly? They play at a slower pace this year and still give up more points. Their defensive rating (so points per possession) is even worse this year. So technically, not only is what you said not true, but they played better defense just last season.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @what: are you one of those mythical figures who go to the Philips Arena? i thought it’s only an urban legend that people attend Hawks home games.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Only fools think Brown is one of the worst coaches in the League.
    He caught a lot more flak than D’Antoni for losing with a less talented roster and being good on only one side of the ball.
    D’Antoni was hailed a genius in Phoenix and it wasn’t until later that his flaws were bemoaned although they were always the same.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    -Albie: FTW
    -Knick’s more talented than the Lakers? Whaaaat?
    - nbk, they play a different style of defense(obviously) and I do like this style better. I think it will bode well for them in the playoffs. I’m not going to say it’s better or worse, but it’s different, and it may be just what the doctor ordered.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    BTW, D’Antoni has gotten more flak than any coach not name Del Negro. Brown has actually been given quite a fair shake. His detractors have valid complaints.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    When I watch them, they seem to play better defense. But, I have no stats to back that up, just my general feeling when watching them play.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lakeshow
    Clearly you don’t remember the way things were from 2004-2008.
    That’s okay.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think their defensive philosophy seems better, I also think their literal performance would be better if Mike Brown had a whole training camp and summer to implement his system. They just aren’t actually executing like they are probably supposed to. At time I watch them (the game against the Clippers a month or so ago comes to mind) where I watch them and think they are a top 4 defense in the NBA, then there are games like when they played Sacramento where they look absolutely horrific. They just aren’t consistent enough, which I assume comes from Mike Brown not having the opportunity to do his over-analyzing (in a good way) and a lack of practice

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I don’t know what your referring to Allen. That’s okay.
    -Agree completely nbk.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @Lakeshow: how do the Lakers play differently on D?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    albie, their whole scheme is different. I don’t know the technical terms for what they are doing, but there is less running your man into someone with Brown. It was always force the player into the lane with Phil Jackson. He liked having defenders stay up close on guys and force them to dribble into one of the big guys. Brown seems to want them to play off and stop them one on one. He doesn’t like allowing jumpers like Phil did. Phil didn’t mind making 1 player kill you and try and stop the rest. Brown seems to have a much more complete defensive philosophy. Hard to explain for me, but those are some of the things I have been noticing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Lakers this season play better defense on the perimeter and they rebound better. Staples of Mike Brown defenses. Phil Jackson likes to try and outsmart opposing teams by making them do something they aren’t used too, like score in the paint over two 7 footers and shoot a higher amount of 3′s. Mike Brown would rather just force teams into shooting mid range jump shots and grabbing the rebounds. Basically Mike Brown likes to limit the most efficient aspects of offenses. (3pt shooting & second chance points)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Sound about right Lakeshow?

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @LakeShow, i’ve only learned basic defense techniques and not much team defense (since i never played organized ball), so i need a bit of explanation: If Phil liked his player to play tight on their individual matchups to force them to dribble to the Lakers’ big (which i agree on), how is that “allowing jumpers”? as in, if you stay close to your man, doesn’t that encourage the drive rather than jump shots (because it’s easier to drive by a tight defender than rise up to shoot due to lack of space)?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    From 2004 to 2008 D’Antoni was the toast of the League. Steve Kerr was the bad guy when he let him walk.
    People ignored his poor substitution patterns and lack of a defensive scheme because his teams consistently won games.
    Then he went to New York and after the first year or so, the rumblings and nitpicking began.
    In contrast, Brown has always been criticized for running a poor offense and was often portrayed as the numbskull who lucked into coaching LeBron, despite the fact that he build that Cleveland team and LeBron into a very good, at times great, defensive team. People have never seen him as a genius. How many books do you know that have been written about Brown and his defensive schemes despite the fact that they were the backbone of a Cleveland team that won 66 games with a far less talented roster than the Suns.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    -Definitely nbk.
    -I thought you meant this year Allen. You know what i’m about to tell you. It’s about ‘what have you done for me lately’. D’Antoni has a good offensive system that works with the right players. Of course he is going to get praise for how the Suns were playing over those years.
    You also know this Allen. Offense gets more praise than defense(overall) People see D’Antoni running and gunning, and winning and they like what they see. It tantalizes their eyes. Does defense tantalize the masses eyes? No. It does for me when it’s done correctly (Bulls, Philly, MIA, LAL). The majority of people don’t recognize great defense as easily as great offense though.
    -Albie: I should have said allowing certain jumpers from certain players. I’m the wrong guy to be explaining this though to be honest. Not my area of expertise here. I was always so interested in watching the triangle I forgot to pay attention to Phil’s defensive schemes lol.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @nbk: simple and good analysis/explanation of the difference in D. like i’ve said before you and LakeShow do bring something valuable to these boards and I appreciate it.
    on a related note: did any of you guys play organized ball? if so, does NBA defense differ than the ones you guys learned/played in? just curious.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    albie: I played 2A High School and community college. (I’m not exactly a “straight baller”) From what I have been able to gather they are so very, very different. I mean, in high school we did Zone half the time. The other half we played box and 1 or we would try man to man until it failed. Which it did often lol. NBA ball clubs rarely use the Zone which seems to be a staple of lower divisions of ball. There is also much more help from big guys that is utilized because, well, their are BIG guys. I’m 6’4″ with out shoes, and I have played my fair share of center despite my skill set being more suited for playing on the perimeter.
    You have different players on every level and each coach has to implement how he thinks this tam can play most effectively. Hence Rick Carlise going for the Zone despite the common thought that he shouldn’t. His team was tailor made to do that. He recognized that and went for it and it did well for his team. At the NBA level most coaches like to have their teams play the same type of defense every night so that they are familiar with it. On lower levels of ball you will see defenses change dramatically depending on who their opponent is and how they play.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I really appreciate that Albie.
    .
    Yeah I have been playing organized basketball since I was 4 years old. And the defense in the NBA is much much more complex then anything, even at the Division 1 or European levels (i have friends/acquaintances who have played or play in all the various leagues, which is the only reason i know that for certain). Typically though, all organized defense is based on a few key focuses, for example, my high school defense was focused on keeping the ball out of the middle and stopping the offensive players from splitting two defensive players, it was very team-help oriented. Normally a defense has a few key focuses and then adds layers that make it more and more complex (trapping in a certain zone, switching on picks or certain picks, focusing on stopping a certain pass, etc.)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And NBA Zone defenses are a whole different animal altogether. They even play match-up zones that are very hard to even recognize. (the Jordan-led Bulls teams are a great example of this.)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Good call. The match up Zone always looks like man to man with a switch if necessarily (which I guess it is.)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tom Thibodeau has never had trouble getting his credit.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    thanks for the input guys. those are awesome.
    now some follow-up:
    it seems like lower level ball usually play zone D. i thought it’s a much more difficult defense to execute correctly (because everyone’s on a string), so why are the lower levels employ it almost universally? is it because lower level players are less equipped/skilled to play man to man, and need the team to help out? what’s interesting to me is that when we play “un-organized” ball, no one plays zone. i guess the question is, why does zone work for lower level basketball but doesn’t work for NBA, where everyone IS equipped AND skilled so the zone should even be better? I know NBA used to outlaw zone, and it’s not consider “manly” to use zone, but like LakeShow mentioned, the Mavs executed it to the T, so why doesn’t more team use it more often? they are only employed in spots (the warriors only used it in a couple of possessions last night against the lakers).

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Mike Brown ain’t no Thibs defensively. He is good, but not that good.
    Erik Spoelstra doesn’t get any credit at all, for anything, ever, and practically everyone figured he’d be outta Mia by this time last year.
    Or are you saying that its because Brown is black that he doesn’t get the credit he deserves?

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Lakers are no longer a serious contender plain and simple. Idk why we’re discussing it.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Thibs just has trouble getting his opportunity is all

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Albie the teams that played zone thought my “career” lol are either offensive power house type teams, teams that think other teams can’t pass or shoot, or teams that have coaches who don’t really know what they are doing. Growing up I loved playing against zones. Absolutely loved it.

  • MikeC.

    I forget who mentioned it above, but, yes, the Knicks are more talented than the Lakers. I’m not talking about on-court results, but talent on paper. Maybe not right meow with Amare out for weeks, Lin sitting to rest his knee and Melo battling a mystery injury. On paper, with everyone healthy, the Knicks have more talent that the Lakers. Talent doesn’t win unless there is cohesion and teamwork. The Knicks are just an utter failure to me. They should be anywhere from 3-5, not scuffling for the 8 and praying Milwaukee doesn’t go on a run. When you’re worried about Milwaukee, you’re in trouble. Talent-wise, the Lakers are playing above their heads. Give Grimace some credit. I do like the new grit the Knicks are showing under Mr. PotatoHead, so maybe they’ll ready to go on a run too. Please NY. Please go on a run.

  • MikeC.

    @nbk – and when you get older, slower and fatter like me, you’ll love playing zone instead of chasing around young, quick kids. I love playing the back line of a 2-3 zone. Smashing the cutter has become my contribution to the team nowadays. Aging sucks.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh typically Albie the zone works at a Lower level because people can’t shoot, and don’t know the fundamentals to beating a zone. Well coached teams typically trash a normal zone defense. There are only a few zones. At any level that are even decent defenses, (the 2-3 zone run by Syracuse obviously, Rick Carslisle’s zone, Alvin Gentry runs a quirky little zone, I cant really think of anyone else? Don Nelson used to use a zone, but it wasn’t any good)

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sh*t Mike my men’s league team plays a zone. We just win by hitting a ton of 3′s and running on people, so the zone saves energy. (and our league is nba 3pt line so there aren’t many guys who can really hit that consistently enough to exploit it)

  • http://slamonline slams chuck barkley

    Racial insinuations from allen? No way, that never happens. I’d guess because grimace was lebrons coach and didn’t win a ring, as opposed to thibs being bostons defensive guy and winning. Just a guess. Bynum is a dumbass

  • Robin

    Retard… This team just don’t care and complain so much about how odom left and how gasol was going to get traded and how phil jackson left…

    S T F U

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    if i were the shooting coach i would let bynum secretly practise the 3point shot so if that play was run again with little time left and kobe for some reason fouled out or was injured i’d run that play and let bynum shoot it… he would be wide open and nobody would respect it till it goes in (maybe)… i still like him in the paint more obviously but it cant hurt

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Wow the R word Robin? Yeah you’re an idiot. & Van if you were the shooting coach & were teaching your center 3s, you’d get fired.

  • MikeC.

    @Red – I agree that Bynum has no business shooting 3s, but there’s a Mr. Geschwinder who might feel strongly about allowing 7-footers to learn to shoot 3s.

  • b-nEWT

    Maybe Bynum has been playing as Dirk on NBA2K12

  • DukeFromDeep

    Bynum is the only Laker that makes me laugh, apart from MWP (but not lately). Shoot those trey Drew, shoot em!

  • Golakeshow

    Ha ha mikec is a grandpa!!! Ha he’s old!

  • Golakeshow

    Andrew Bynum is the best center in the league and you bench him for one stupid decision!

  • ToddK

    Andrew Bynum has been in the NBA for 7 years. He has only 8 3-point attempts in NBA games, and has made a grand total of ONE. Until he demonstrates to his coach and teammates in practice that he can shoot a much better percentage, he has no business taking such shots, especially if his coach has instructed him not to. His attitude sucks and his coach was right to bench him.

  • AQWORD

    LOL at all the bitter chumps getting their little hearts broken. Like i + care care that Kob3$3xuals dont respects my view ? Worst you can do is give me a bad haircut? I was stating facts anyway :-)

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