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Friday, March 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm  |  147 responses

Derrick Rose: Kevin Durant is the NBA’s MVP This Season


Takes one to know one, we suppose. The reigning MVP, Derrick Rose, says that Kevin Durant deserves the game’s biggest individual honor this year. From ESPN: “Chicago Bulls guard and reigning MVP Derrick Rose said Friday he believes Oklahoma City’s Kevin Durant is the front-runner for this season’s award. ‘KD is playing great,’ Rose said. ‘I’m hearing about what he’s doing, hearing about how he’s playing. The numbers speak for itself, how he’s working out this summer, and he’s playing great basketball. (Minnesota’s Kevin Love) K-Love been putting in work, too, but I think KD.’ Durant is averaging 27.7 points, 8.1 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.5 steals and 1.2 blocks for the Western Conference-leading Thunder. It figures to be a two-man race between Durant and the Miami Heat’s LeBron James, who’s averaging 26.5 points, 8.3 rebounds and 6.5 assists and is shooting a career-best 53 percent. Rose, who was the youngest MVP in history at age 22, is unlikely to win the award again because of missed time this season. He has sat out 17 games because of a variety of injuries. He could miss his ninth straight on Friday against the Detroit Pistons with a sore groin. He’s listed as a game-time decision.”

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  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If the numbers speak for themself then uhh no Kevin Durant isn’t the MVP. There is actually no rational reason to put Durant as MVP. If its best player on one of the best teams it’s LeBron. If its the most productive player on one of the best teams it’s LeBron. If its the player that means the most to his team winning then it’s Dwight. So……no, it’s not Durant.

  • ripslam

    Durant is the best player on the best team in the best conference, is the most important to his team of the 3 top teams in the league, and destroyed LeBron in a head-to-head matchup. Not sure if any of these qualify as “rational reasons”…

  • http://slamonline Brion

    ^ Lets wait until OKC plays in Miami.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Best player on the best team in the best conference? The West is the best conference? And him being on a stacked team (they have good players throughout their whole rotation, even Nick Collison would be the best player on Miami’s bench) has no effect on this at all? You can’t have the best record in the league without having the MVP? that makes perfect sense. “there is no best team, you just have the most valuable player if you have the best record, teammates are irrelevant” is basically what everyone who says Durant should get MVP is saying. Other then that, the argument sucks. And for those that care about head to head match ups, how did that work out in the playoffs last year for the “mvp”?

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    “If Rose said it then the majority will follow”
    The Book of Rose: Ch.1 Verse:3

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Durant getting that first MVP! This signed, Durant Sonics Jersey on my wall will be worth allot more $$$ with multiple MVP’s so go get that son!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Hmm.. yeah what about last years match ups guys? Shouldn’t that play a part in this years MVP?……..

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    So now head-to-head matchups is a deciding factor in picking MVPs?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    not if you are a rational human being.

  • IrrationalLakersFan

    Andre Bynum deserves it. He is the most dominant big man in the league by far and can score 50 points a night when he wants to. Kobe wont get it this year because everyone hates him for no reason. And with a Ramon Sessions, one of the top 5 point guards in the league in only his first season, Bynum has someone to set him up. Bynum=MvP. Metta World Peace=Defensive Player of The Year. Matt Barnes=Sixth Man. Ramon Sessions=rookie of the year. Kobe=10th ring this year. Laker Nation baby. We know what we are talking about.

  • will

    well, kevin will be the scoring champ, adding an MVP will be sick too

    and only 23… gonna be the leagues best for many years to come

  • Kabraham15

    @ripslam…most incorrect viewpoint i have ever read.

  • IrrationalLakersFan

    China

  • lebron should win mvp and marion should win dpoy

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    What would happen if K-Love won MVP this year, by some mysterious late vote. Even Steve Nash would have to call b.s. on that.

  • http://www.blogspot.com LLC#12

    I find it funny how not even a guy called irrational lakers fan is crazy enough to suggest Mike Brown could win coach of the year…says it all really!

  • http://www.dfhggf.com cheema

    I consider that comment by rose as a slap to westbrook`s face! Westbrook is the best player on the thunder and rose is calling durant mvp? smh

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Derrick Rose doesn’t seem to like LeBron James.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    lol @ LLC
    -cheema: shut up. no he’s not.

  • http://www.dfhggf.com cheema

    @lakeshow
    I can understand the hate after the asswhoopin he did to your team last night. LMAO

  • http://www.dfhggf.com cheema

    @Lakeshow
    I can understand the hate after what he did to your team last night! LMAO

  • Balltastics2000

    obviously Durant is mvp.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Naw, Westbrook is great. I can just use my brain and eyes, so I know he is not as good as Durant. He is getting darned close these days though.

    Durant’s going to have to add in some post game to the mix this summer, and work on the play making skills so he continues to improve also.

  • http://www.dfhggf.com cheema

    -lakeshow

    surprised for you to say that, especially after what he did to your team last night!

  • http://www.dfhggf.com cheema

    slamonline needs to fix their comments section, i couldn`t even see my comment after the 3rd time i posted it

  • LA Huey

    Yeah, Teddy. That’s what this is about.
    I’m not going to get into comparing records between their two teams because the difference is neglible when you consider that Miami has a target on their back.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    NBK is such a f*cking hater lol. Seriously.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Awh, i’m not a child. I can handle my favorite sports team losing a game.
    .
    It’s the hard things in life that I have a hard time dealing with. Like, why is the remote always too far away from the couch, and stuff with real life consequences like that that are just to hard to handle…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    LA Huey… You just said that Miami has a target on their back… The Thunder don’t? The Lakers don’t? Dallas doesn’t? The Bulls?
    Geez what reality is this… Every team in the top 3 of each conference has a target on their back.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Holy Baller do you even know what that means?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People dock Bron for Wade and Bosh but Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka are ignored? And everybody agrees Durant doesn’t defend it pass like Bron right?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow, if you can’t rationalize why teams are more focused against Miami then those other teams then…oh nevermind. You still think Durant should win MVP even though you dont have a reason.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    @NBK great comeback. All I know is that LeBron is arguably the best player in the game, and he’s in a starting lineup with two other guys that are probably both in the top 10. Durant doesn’t have the luxury of DWade throwing him alley-oops all game like LeBron does. He can’t pad his stats by getting dunks all the time because of the attention paid to Wade and Bosh. Durant is the most clutch player in the game this year, he’s the most consistent scorer, and his stats really aren’t that far off of LeBron’s in the first place.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    well, lebron has been playing mediocre for the past 2 weeks and kd annihilated lebron in their match-up.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Well that was such a terrible argument I’m not even going to address it.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    @Allenp, Ibaka, Westbrook, and Harden aren’t any of the top 10 players in the game though. Altogether they may equal a DWade or a Chris Bosh, but their combined talent and ability is not that of those two.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    @NBK that’s what I’d say too.

  • http://www.blogspot.com LLC#12

    You’re crazy if you think Westbrook is better than Durant. It would be a LOT easier to replace Westbrook than it would be to replace KD..

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    @NBK that’s what I would say too.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    LeBron leads Miami in Points, Rebounds, Assists and Steals. He is scoring at the same rate as Durant (he’s just playin slightly less minutes) he’s shooting 53%. Durant is scoring more points. That’s it, that is the only thing he’s doing better then LeBron. Both teams have lost the same amount of games. Durant turns the ball over more than he gets assists infact he is 4th in the league in turnovers. LeBron leads the league in Win Shares. LeBron leads the league in offensive win shares. He’s 4th in defensive win shares. He is top 10 in offensive rating and defensive rating. Durant is ahead of him in nothing except PPG, and he’s attempted 150 more shots. Honestly try and think of one rational reason to say Durant has been more valuable on an equally (actualy moreso) talented team over the course of this whole season, not the last 2 weeks. And if you think Alley Oops are a fair and rational argument then well you can just join holy baller in the isn’t worth talking to boat cuz I’m not entertaining that stupidity.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    @NBK, you just completely sidestepped my whole argument about LeBron having Wade and Bosh. Good job at avoiding my point. And what is this whole “win shares” bullsh*t? Something new ESPN has come up with? Never even heard of that. Durant does turn the ball over more, you are completely correct there. But what happens when Durant has played Miami this season? Who’s looked better? Exactly.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You cant read? You aren’t worth talkin to because you are ignorant. Is that more clear?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Like my friend Skip has stated, Lebron has disqualified himself from MVP, playing with Wade and Bosh. If Lebron on Cavs and have these numbers he is MVP, not on Heat. Durant could be MVP, but I honestly feel Westbrook is more important to the Thunder success than Durant. I honestly feel this year the MVP should go to no one. No one player has stood out this year to me. Give the MVP to David Stern for his great trade this year. BOOK IT!!

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    @NBK lol the mark of a true internet troll, the inability to come back with a decent argument that’s germane to what’s being discussed. Fail, good sir. Fail.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    ^^ SH*T

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    @The Seed, you had me until you said that Westbrook is more instrumental to the Thunder’s success than Durant. He IS a huge part, I agree. Without Westbrook, the Thunder are somewhere near where the T-Wolves are right now. But without Durant, they don’t have a shot. As much as I love Westbrook, Durant is the more important piece of the puzzle.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    my comment was for nbk… not for holly baller. btw. it’s hilarious that he underrates ibaka, harden, and westbrook so much.

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  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol.
    .
    Read all of my posts on this page. And read your stupid ass argument. Oh nevermind. You are a genius, we should definitely give the MVP award to Durant for last Sunday and because he plays with a bunch of nobody’s while LeBron scores all of his points off of alley oops from Dwyane Wade. That is completely logical. An I’m a troll under a bridge.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    Lol I love how vehement you’re getting about this. I mean obviously it’s a close race. I’m not gonna say that Durant’s had a MUCH better season than LeBron; he’s just been a little bit better, in my opinion. My problem is when you think this is such a clear issue and think that LeBron is head and shoulders better, when obviously the majority of SLAM readers disagree with that. You think that your opinion is the best there is, and you attack me because of it. Ridiculous.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Holy Baller, did your comment @ 743pm really say that Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka altogether “May equal a Chris Bosh”?! That’s crazy talk!!!

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    ^Yeah, now that was stupid. That was wrong. But I DO think that Bosh and Wade together is more than those three. Plus the offenses are just completely different. I really think Durant would have tons more assists if he actually had anyone to PASS to, but almost every scorer on that team scores on isolations plays (which I think may be their downfall in the playoffs).

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    LOL.
    .
    I don’t give a damn what the “majority” thinks. Especially if you are their representation.

    .I have illustrated irrefutable proof that LeBron has been better in every relevant way.
    .
    If you don’t agree with me at this point that’s fine, I probably don’t really respect your basketball opinion very much if that’s the case (unless someone actually presents a rational argument) which is fine with me.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Lebron’s got my vote, because of the way he’s been dominating across the board. I think KD’s monster of a game last week against the Heat has left a lasting impression on a lot of fans, though.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    It’s obviously not “irrefutable” when half the media disagrees with you.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    i’l tell you what @Lakeshow after he wins that MVP or not i will still buy that jersey off you for a X price that you name…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The media. You know what’s circulating in the media today? LMAO Kevin Love for MVP! Hahahahahah they are 25-27? What without Kevin Love they would really really not make the playoffs? Wait the media get paid to write new stories? That can’t be how it works can’t it? Geez how crazy that would be, you know, of the media were a business?
    .
    Gross.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    if*

  • MUBWAR

    i actually my basketball terminology was on point until i saw defensive win shares?!?

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html nbk

    You can click my name. But basically it’s the amount of points a player alllows per 100 possessions. The process of how that is decided is on the link.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Holy Baller Dude, modern-day media is freakin’ garbage most of the time.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html nbk

    Not how many points a one on one matchup allows, but how many estimated* points a player attributes to giving up. It just like all the other stats are useful in the right context. In this instance, it is a tangible measurement that represents the common belief that LeBron is a better defensive player both individually and for his team than Kevin Durant is.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    DO NOT click on nbk’s name! It will take you to an alternate dimension that will leave you questioning your intelligence, basketball IQ, and even the meaning of your existence . . . You’ve been warned.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html nbk

    lol

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    ^Bahahaha what meat hook said. No one ever uses whatever the hell that is. I DO think LeBron is a better defensive player than Durant, but not by the leaps and bounds you seem to believe.

  • MUBWAR

    holy baller, lebron is in conversation for dpoy to overtake the 3 times dpoy dwight. that alone eliminates durant from the convo. and nbk thanks 4 droppin knowledge

  • Mike

    What Durant does is close out a game. The only argument I need as to why he’s getting MVP. He puts his team on his shoulders to win. Lebron will never do that never did in Cleveland and can’t do it now. Not to mention Durant like 5 yrs younger and their stats are basically the same. He’s only going to get better. Oh and Westbrook hardly played in the heat game, that was Durants game from start to finish and made the “king” look like a clown. I understand Westbrook and harden are hella good but every MVP has had help

  • IamYOU

    I believe in rose. I mean yeah durant is really playing amazing this season and because of that people are saying he should be MVP. But the thing in the NBA is that when youre labeled as MVP near the season end you WILL be MVP. I mean ask rose . But my vote goes to Bron Bron.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    With half the crowd doing, “Let’s go Knicks’” and half, “Let’s go Hawks,” it kinda sounds like “Let’s go Narcs.” That’s gonna get Melo upset *John Hollinger*

  • riggs

    KD35 is the MVP.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html nbk

    Anytime Mubwar.

  • http://cnbc.com New_Guy

    If it comes to having a good supporting cast then Micheal Jordan shouldn’t not have won all his MVP’s either. Pippen, Grant, Kerr, Rodman…. Sounds like a lot of notable hall of fame talent.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Mike, being a “closer” is a very important attribute. But, if that’s your main argument for MVPs, then you may as well strip Bill Russel (5), Wilt (4), and Shaq (1) of their MVPs because they weren’t the “closers” on their respective teams either.

  • Mike

    It’s my main argument to show difference between Lebron because they’re so damn close in the MVP race haha. If it was Durant and Dwight neck and neck for MVP I’d have to angle my argument differently

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html nbk

    If LeBron scored 5 more points a game instead of getting 3 more assists would you still
    Think their stats were close?

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    I think Durant is the better closer and better “pure” scorer/shooter. But even saying Durant is the better scorer is misleading because LBJ is averaging 26.5ppg and has been hovering around there for as long as i can remember. I would give the edge to Lebron in every other category. Defensively, I don’t think it’s even close.

  • Red

    Believe it or not, I’m with nbk. WTH@ whoever said KD is in the best conference lol.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Would it be crazy to say D. Rose is the better closer between Lebron & KD?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    wasn’t lebron averaging better numbers at durant’s age tho then durant is? w/o going to college? and honestly lebron was a VERY good closer in cleaveland. he certainly wasn’t as bad as people make him out to be now.

  • ai come back

    @ the seed if lebron averaging the same numbers in cleveland gets him mvp doesnt averaging those numbers with 2 all stars on ur team make it even more impressive?

  • Justin G.

    Lebron doesn’t need to close that many games when they win by double digits as much as they do too. Obviously that’ll need to change come playoff time when it’s much harder to get out and run but that doesn’t change the fact that Lebron is the clear MVP so far this year. How does one game change that, as it seems to have for a lot of fans? Do they play each other in Miami this year? What if Miami comes out and smokes the Thunder and Lebron goes for 40, 9, and 8? Does he leapfrog back to the top? I’d also like to know what “majority of Slam readers” Holy Baller is referring to when he says we all agree with him too. 5 people is not the majority. You don’t think the people that do the actual voting know one game is not a deal breaker? Please give your head a shake. It’s going to be a close vote but only because Lebron is still not a popular figure. If this were back in the day and Michael Jordan was putting up the numbers Lebron is (or better ones like he did in 88-89 vs. someone like KD then there wouldn’t even be a discussion. Michael wins it

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Everyone thinks that MVP is something different than the next guy.
    Some people think it’s stats related, some think it’s team wins, some think it’s “win shares”, and some think it’s a combo. Don’t forget about head to head match up’s, defense vs offense, closer vs play maker, great scorer, great passer. All these things are valued more or less from one man to another. With that said,
    - Durant for MVP!
    -Reasons:
    -More points scored.
    -Said points were scored on more difficult shots.
    -Example: Durant has shot 153 more 3 pointers than Bron at a more efficient clip.
    -Durant has closed out games for the Thunder all year.
    -LeBron has not done that for the Heat.
    -The Thunder are less experienced than the Heat, and have more wins than them and lead their conference and division.
    -Is Westbrook better than Wade or Bosh? No
    -Is Harden better than Wade or Bosh? No
    -Is the Thunders coach better than The Heats? No
    -Durant gets as many steals and blocks(defensive stats, or as some would like to call them “gambling stats”) as LBJ when averaged.
    .
    .
    .
    -All these examples point to KEVIN DURANT MVP…
    -Can’t believe I just spent the time to type this on my pad at midnight in a bar…
    -BBALL > Life
    -Cue ‘The Heavy’… How ya like me nowwwww??!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXdhKyIEQpM LakeShow

    Click my name

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Oh ya, knew I forgot something.
    -Free Throws: Durant 84% … James 77% while shooting the same amount per.

  • Golakeshow

    People need to lay off Lebron for getting some help. Bird Han Mchale and parish. Magic had Kareem and worthy. Jordan had pipped and rodman. Kobe had Gasol and Bynum. Bill Russell had John Havlicek. Wilt Chamberlain had Jerry West. Paul pierce has Garnett Allen and rondo. You know any legends that won by themselves!

  • Golakeshow

    *bird had

  • SacKings

    Kevin Love deserves the MVP. Third leading scorer and top two rebounder in the game. Durant and LeBron have all the help that Love doesn’t. Look at Loves stats since Rubio went down. While KD has Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka helping, and James has Wade and Bosh, Love has Luke Ridnour.

  • Bimmer

    LeBron should probably win but I just want KD to win it. Just like I want Ibaka to win DPOY but that’s probably going to Dwight again. These awards could get stale quick in the foreseeable future.

  • FLIGHT 9

    who wants to win MVP and a chip this 66 game season anyway??

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Normally head-to-head matchups between MVP candidates don’t mean anything, especially between Rose and Lebron, given how different they are physically and the positions they play (especially when you consider Rose didn’t have capable shot creators on his squad in the playoffs). However, when it’s KD and Lebron, I think the head-to-heads this season should definitely be given some weight; that they play the same position is an obvious reason, but also that they have other shot-creators in Wade/Westbrook/Harden/Bosh means that the attention given to each will be similar (it’s not a Rose situation where stopping Rose meant stopping the Bulls last year). In particular that game showed the different talents and how they benefit their teams; Durant is a more conventional SF with his rebounding, play off the ball and outside shooting, whereas Lebron is a point forward who likes the ball in his hands and creates for others. Even though Lebron’s style of play gets him better stats, Durant’s more conventional role at SF showed up in the form of dagger 3s in the 4th, and ultimately, the win. For someone like nbk to say he presented “irrefutable proof” about an award which is based on opinion and the eye test is ridiculous. I refute your “proof” by looking at the two of them play each other and saying Durant is more valuable, and while the numbers help in the grand scheme of things, only ignorant people use them as the ultimate determination of value, with no consideration for what the numbers actually represent. Durant for MVP, also had to laugh that Lebron isn’t mentioned in the snippet SLAM took from Rose’s interview about who should get MVP.

  • Drig

    I’m shocked to see LBJ getting slighted so much. Dude deserves the MVP this year. He’s the better individual two-way player than Durant, has the better stats, has the same record ( with Wade and Bosh out at different points of the season ) AND is leading Durant in almost any statistics that deal with how important a player at the said position is necessary for the team…….damn. BTW, the WEST is still the BEST conference. East might be more top heavy and have better records( Most of the top teams in the West had to incorporate changes this year and are old and hence the slow start) but the West owns the East in depth and playoff sets.

  • Justin G.

    omphalos, how can your arguement be based pretty much solely on one game? Like I said, if they play again in Miami and Lebron routs Durant then what is your opinion then? Lakeshow, of course Durant has more points. He has something like 150 more attempts! Do you have all of their shots PVR’d to make the statement that Durants shots are tougher? That’s sort of a dumb thing to say. Lebron doesn’t have to close out as many games because A) They win by more and B) They have Wade as well. Now, Lebron should be taking more shots before but honestly Wade is better at creating his own shot. Please don’t say the Thunder have Westbrook because that’s not even a close arguement. I’m sorry but while nbk’s reasonings aren’t necessarily “irrefutable”, they are a much better arguement for Lebron as MVP vs. Durant

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    Damn multiple cosign to NBK. As a lebron fan i have to thank you for writing down the facts so clearly.

  • Harlem_World

    I like KD and he has a bright future ahead of him (as do the Thunder), but anyone who can’t see Lebron is the league MVP isn’t looking properly.

  • http://sdjfklfl.com Jukai

    Kinda shocked how many people are for Lebron over KD…
    Lebron: 26.5ppg, 8.2rpg, 6.6apg, 1.9spg, 0.8bpg on 54% shooting on a 37 win team
    Durant: 27.7ppg, 8.1rpg, 3.5apg, 1.5spg, 1.2bpg on 50% shooting on a 39 win team
    PRETTY IDENTICAL, so I don’t know why people are talking about Lebron having a statistical advantage. The only thing he really has is the assists, which is big.
    But get this: OKC has two more wins in a harder conference with the second best player on the team being Westbrook and whose third best player is James Harden or Serge Ibaka. Lebron has two less wins in a weaker conference and the second best player is Wade and third best is Bosh.
    This kind of propels Durant for the favorite for MVP right now.
    Everyone kind of understood that Lebron playing with Wade was gonna hurt his chances for MVP in the future, and the Heat would have to be dominating for him to get that trophy. They aren’t. So the trophy is Durant’s right now.
    Deal with it, everyone.

  • http://sdjfklfl.com Jukai

    Man… NBK really is a hater…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Jukai, so you’re just going to ignore the defensive side of the ball?

  • http://sdjfklfl.com Jukai

    I’m not gonna ignore it, but this isn’t 2008 anymore, Durant’s a decent defender who actually gets more blocks than Lebron.
    I get it— Lebron is one of the best isolation defenders in the NBA. But they also got Battier, who has been doing a lot of Lebron’s work this year.
    Durant simply does more for his team than Lebron does for his.

  • 23

    A) 24.4ppg, 4.4rpg, 5.5apg, 1.7spg, .3bpg, .475%fg, .819%ft, .329% 3pfg,

    B) 23ppg, 4.9rpg, 4.9apg, 1.7spg, 1.3bpg, .507%fg, .798%ft, .304% 3pfg

    player A is russel westbrook and player B is wade. just thought id post these stats because they are very similar.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Jukai, come on now. KD does more for his team than LeBron? Is that a joke? The same LeBron that guards every position? The same LeBron that is leading his team in PPG, RPG, APG, SPG and FG%? That guy is doing less than KD?

  • 23

    lebron makes wade look pedestrian. who else on earth could do that? remember how well lebron played d on gasol? i would have a hard time believing durant could do that. durant is clutch, but westbrook has definately had his clutch moments this season as well. westbrook has taken over games. 40+ point games. and lebron may not be a “pure shooter” but he is way more versatile. and he can become a deadly 3 point shooter as we saw last year in the boston and chicago series. overall lebron is just better. and other than wade and bosh, the heat arent very good. durant has a very good point guard and 2 very good post players.

  • LeBryanNash

    ROSE HATES LEBRON SO MUCH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA

    WESTBROOK RUNS THE SHIT IN OKC, LEBRON RUNS IN MIAMI . LEBRON >>>>

  • http://sdjfklfl.com Jukai

    Yes. Lebron leads his team in those categories because he has unlimited room to operate with Wade and Bosh.
    I’m not saying Lebron CAN’T do those things without Wade and Bosh, nor do I think Durant is a better player. But let’s face it, Lebron has a top-3 player and a top-10 player on his team and they have a worse record than Durant’s team with a top-25 player and well, no one else who makes a cut on the top-50 list. The Heat have underperformed, and although that’s not necessarily Lebron’s fault, it takes him down a notch on the MVP voting. I’m not saying Lebron’s far behind either, but if Durant’s team has more wins with similar statistics, I think it’s hard to throw the MVP award to Lebron.
    Plus, I know Lebron’s a fantastic defender, but I’ve seen Battier guarding the other team’s bests. You all know how you guys jumped on Kobe saying Artest was now guarding the other team’s best, free Kobe up? Same argument.

  • http://sdjfklfl.com Jukai

    Hell, I’m not even saying there isn’t a debate for Lebron over Durant, there certainly is. But to say things like “OMG no RATIONAL PERSON could EVER put Durant over Lebron GASP!” just means either you really don’t think much of Wade and Bosh or you have Lebron’s d*ck so far down your throat, you can’t see what you’re typing. And I LOVE Lebron, I’m one of his number one supporters here. But come back down to reality, the argument for Durant is valid and right now I have him ahead of Lebron in the MVP race. I’m not handing him the trophy, but as everyone acknowledged since day 1, playing with Wade and Bosh is a handicap for Lebron’s chances of winning MVP and he’s not far enough ahead of the crowd (or even behind in some areas) to be running away with that trophy.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Sorry but CB1 is not a Top-10 player and Westbrook’s having a better season than Wade (he’s not a better player though). Also, KD is playing with the Sixth Man of the Year, the best shotblocker in the L and a cat that would be the best player off the bench in MIA (Collison). So that argument holds no weight.
    The only time LeBron isn’t checking the opposing team’s best perimeter player is when the coach needs him to guard the opposing team’s best BIG. That’s quite different from the kobe and artest situation.

  • abaci

    So some of you think Westbrook and Harden are better than Wade and Bosh? i hope you are only saying that because its convenient for your argument. If you take Lebron off the heat and Durant off the thunder, i think the heat have a better team. Am im wrong?

  • -Mas-

    ^Your wrong. I think as a TEAM…OKC is for real. Perk and Ibaka are stronger, faster and younger than the other two heat starters. Plus Harden is a Sixth man, Miami has no one on the bench that comes even close. My MVP is Kevin Love. Sorry for him Rubio go hurt but Love is putting up numbers that remind me of sta sheets from the 70′s. 30pts, 20rbs, and such. Its cray.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    so KD is better than Lebron bc he makes “dagger 3′s”(which really means that the thunder just don’t blow teams out as much as the heat do) despite the fact that there is literally NOTHING Lebron doesn’t do for that heat team? Ridiculous.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    some of ya’ll just gotta admit that you hate lebron. and that’s fine, but don’t expect me to take your wildly biased opinion, or your “eye test” seriously.

  • Drig

    @Jukai………Wade didn’t play for 8-10 games this season I think. So, take out the 2nd best player on a still big-3 dependent team and it’s surprising to see they’re only 2 behind OKC. I’d like to see how OKC fares without Westbrook for 8 games. I’m pretty sure they’ll lose a few more. Westbrook’s also having as good as a season as Wade as someone already mentioned. So, the ONLY thing anyone can say that makes Durant more deserving is if they value “daggers” more than overall impact on the game for a team.

  • thomas getten

    Bosh is a top 10 player? Hahaha

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Co-sign Mas, take away bron and durant and I believe OKC takes that game/series. I think people really under-value what Ibaka, Perkins, and Collison bring. Also, I think that with Wade’s up and down season coupled with Westbrook’s improvement, the 2 are at par this season. Finally, i think giving Harden the “green light” as a starter can translate to 22ppg(he’s averaging 17 coming off of the bench as a distant 3rd option). One more thing, Joel Anthony (miami’s starting center) would be OKC’s 2 or 3rd big off of the bench.

  • JoeMaMa

    The thing about the MVP is, there’s really no set criteria to determine who really qualifies. Stats, wins, storyline, feel good-ness…. having said that, Lebron is the most dominant player in the league. He has been for the past few years, and will continue to be for another few. He’s freaking awesome. But the perception is that he’s not a winner, that he quit on Cleveland…you all know the story, because we’ve heard it a million times. His performance in the finals didn’t help this view. So the voters, in determining who the MVP is, factor all that into their decision. They just do, how’s how it goes. Which is why I won’t be surprised if he gets it; you can make a great case for him. It’s also why I won’t be surprised if he doesn’t get it; you can take that whole ‘quitter/non winner’ argument and let it influence the way we view his game.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html nbk

    Lol, their gross production is separated by 5 points (Durant scored 1 more point, LeBron gets 3 more assists) – except LeBron turns the ball over less, shoots a higher %, and plays much better defense. You know what the difference in 5PPG is? That’s the difference between Oklahoma City and Minnesota offensively. We can talk about how LeBron has Wade and Bosh all day, but to act like Miami is a more talented overall team then Oklahoma City is absurd. Oklahoma City has a guy better then Bosh in RW who’s production is right with Wade’s. Ibaka, Harden, Perkins is better (imo) then Bosh, Haslem, Joel Anthony – so I don’t give Durant pity points for not being on the Heat. LeBron has been better then Durant in every tangible way except scoring. And he’s taken 150 more shots to get there. I don’t know about any of you but I would much rather have a guy who will do more for my team on both ends of the court for 40 minutes then the guy who scores slightly more points less efficiently and will close out games sometimes. And chalking up the difference between the two players to teammates and making shots at the end of a game are cop outs. The difference between the two isn’t negligible. LeBron produces more for his team on both ends of the court without giving the ball away as much or missing as many shots.

  • LA Huey

    Offensively, KD and LBJ are very close. LBJ gets the edge because of his ability to facilitate and averages fewer turnovers. KD is an above average defender but so much more versatile LBJ. I don’t think LeBron is head and shoulders above the field but he’s distinguished himself enough for me.
    Side comment: KD has ridiculous handles for being damn near 7 feet. He doesn’t get enough credit for that.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    LeBron actually put up better numbers in Cleveland than he is currently in MIA, so I don’t know how people can use the “playing with Wade/Bosh frees up LeBron” excuse as to why he shouldn’t win the MVP. If the guy was playing with the Bobcats, he would put up similar numbers.

  • 23

    lebron can run point guard/sg/sf/pf and even center on most teams in the league. offensively and defensively

  • T-Money

    all i got from this is that d-rose goes out of his way to not give props to lebron. he doesnt even have him as runner up .

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    I think we can all agree that the MVP will come down to LeBron and Durant. There really is no other serious contender. With that being said, a very valid argument could be made for both players. Disregarding stats because they are pretty equal, what do you consider more valuable: LeBron’s defense or Durant’s closing ability? This will probably be a deciding factor in most voters eyes. At this point I would lean toward LeBron personally, but we still have about 15 games to go. I’m anxious to see this played out. I believe if Durant goes on a tear these last few weeks he could edge LeBron. Especially if the Thunder finish with the overall best record.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Great comment by TAD. I think Durant will win because people undervalue defense and love closers.

  • logues

    its funny reading some of these comments… every argument is the same on here… ppl argue back and forth forever and end up not really accomplishing anything ha

  • ALD

    howard or love

  • Bola

    I don’t know about y’all but imma put KD. Ask me y? It obvious this kid is money. What can’t KD do, apart from playing defence. Hell KD plays defence when he wants to. Did you see how he held Lebron down when Thunder played heat. He outplayed Lebron and wade. Dude did it in the summer and he aint even packing weight. I love Lebron but i aint gonna hop on his dick. People say wade and bosh was out. SO what? Bulls aint got Rose but they still packing the W. Lebron is playing with efficiency but right now I give it up to KD. I have watched games where the teams playing Heat just gave up and allowed wade , bosh and Lebron to overwhelm them, but when I watch Thunder pay I see teams trying to win. Even look at the game gainst spurs that was Durant worse game ever and I’m sure they way spurs played heat won’t be able to beat them. Bottom line KD is the man right now. yes he took 150 shots more, but when you are 23 , youngest leading NBA scorer for 2 seasons, you know the rest. Like stephen smith said, Kevin Durant is money.

  • EJ

    Lakeshow doesn’t want Lebron to win MVP, cause he’s scared that Lebron might end up having a better career than Kobe.

  • dazzy

    Lot’s of Lebron haters on here. The most interesting comment was from Rose. I think Rose genuinely dislikes Bron. From the All-Star dancing comment to this MVP debate, he goes out of his was to throw shade indirectly. I hate the Heat, but I can’t wait for them to spank the Bulls AGAIN in the playoffs. Rose is still bitter about last year and he’s gonna be bitter again this year.

  • LA Huey

    If LeBron knocked you out of the playoffs the last two years (needing just a combined 10 games to do so) you’d be salty towards too. Haha.

  • ron g

    Kd ,westbrook and Kevin Love are Rose’s closest friends in the NBA and he was giving props to their great seasons, that’s all there is to it. He’s praised Lebron in the past, he’s just stating his point of view and after hearing all season how the bulls don’t match up with the heat he decided to shine light on his guys.

  • ron g

    @ la huey you think lebron wasn’t salty when Orlando beat the cavs and he didn’t shake hands after the last game? Or when the celtics beat his cavs and he zoomed off the court while taking his jersey off before he entered the locker room?

  • dazzy

    @ ron g, I never heard Lebron go out of his way to indirectly take shots so long after those losses. I never heard take shots at Dwight or KG long after the fact. It’s one thing to be salty immediately after. It’s another to take it personal. If you say someone deserves something just because he’s your friend then you are hating on the other guy.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    You people who place so much value on Perkins and Collison are obviously retarded, or you never watched OKC games. Perkins is quite literally the most useless player on OKC’s roster, and what does Collison average? Not much of anything. He IS very valuable to the team, but y’all make him sound like the big man version of James Harden, which he’s not. KD is what MAKES this team. Without him, they’re basically where the T-Wolves are without Rubio. One star, a lot of talent but not enough to make huge waves.

  • http://slamonline.com b arc

    i agree that the regular season MVP is close. but the durant is a better closer than lebron argument? seriously? for the regular season, sure. but in the playoffs? it’s not even close. lebron will hit the big shot then lock you up on defense. and until KD starts doing it in the playoffs, no way is he a better closer. lebron choked in the finals and yet was still more clutch than durant the whole playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Come on, my brethren.
    The MVP of the League is Avery Bradley.

  • Mega

    anyone totally sold on wade + bosh > Harden + ibaka + Westbrook is nuts, its very, very close. Top 5 pg, 6th man of the year, and Defensive POY Candidate???? Thats insane talent, whether ur basketball IQ picks up on it or not (assuming u have watched ample amounts of both MIA and OKC, which I doubt all posters have).

  • matt

    Hate to say it but KD will never come close to being the ball handler and distributor that LBJ is.

  • ALD

    @holy baller you cleary dnt wacth OKC games….. @matt you make no sense

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    @ Holy Baller, if You consider Perkins so “useless”, what are your thoughts on Miami’s starting center Joel Anthony? What are your thoughts on their backup center Dexter Pittman?

  • guahan

    Lebron is the clear cut MVP and without something really drastic happening soon that’s not going to change.

  • Mega

    Cosign Guahan, but given the history of MVP’s its gonna be interesting. I mean Steve Nash is my hometown hero and I dont believe he deserved either one!

  • Dingo Rob

    I should take the time to find out how they decide on voting but I can’t be bothered for this. Lebron is having an amazing season deserves the MVP if it is an individual award which it seems to be, however if the MVP is connected to intangibles and what a player has done for the team to be a championship contender then it’s…..oh it’s still Lebron

  • Bola

    Well, after todays game. OKC VS BULLS. HEAT VS CELTICS. is there any doubt thT KD doesn’t deserve to be MVP. 6 wins a row. against heat, bulls, rockets, magic. That says something.

  • iggi

    I have nothing against Duran, but it’s clear that Rose is one of those LeBron hater…

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    Hahahahaha I’m from Oklahoma and watch EVERY f*cking game, thank you. And Perkins is pretty close to useless, as is Joel Anthony, I won’t lie. But I’m not trying to argue that. I’m just saying that if someone’s trying to use Perkins or Collison as pieces for argument, you’re really wasting your time.

  • deadbored

    This is obviously a people who dont particularly like lebron and want some sort of alternative vs people with basketball I.Q kind of argument.

  • deadbored

    @ holy baller…do you even understand what is so important about a player like Perkins or Collison? It seems like you dont.

  • guahan

    @mega..exactly u never know till its said done anyway.

  • deadbored

    Based on what Durant has done for OKC and the criteria for the MVP, yes he may have a chance. If this is an argument about who is having a better year and you dont think its LBJ, then im sorry but you really dont know basketball.

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