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Wednesday, March 7th, 2012 at 8:35 am  |  86 responses

Post Up: Charlotte’s Win

Dallas halts the Knicks, wins for three Eastern powers, plus Detroit and the ‘Cats pull upsets.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

A six-pack of games to get to from last night, including a pair of contests that needed OT and a rare win for Charlotte. No time to waste, so let’s hit it.

Bobcats 100, Magic 84

When a team’s lost 21 of its last 22, and your team has Dwight Howard, you aren’t supposed to lose. Orlando didn’t get that message, apparently, since the Magic got blown out of the gym in Charlotte by the now 5-31 Bobcats, who shot 48 percent, including a season-high 29 points from Corey Maggette. Head coach Paul Silas got ejected in the second quarter with his team trailing by 18, and the Bobcats proceeded to go on a 20-0 run that lasted through halftime. Oh, and that Howard fella? He finished with 15 points and 17 rebounds (a typical night for DH12) but rookie Bismack Biyombo played him tough, racking up 10 points, 15 rebounds, and 7 blocks—he may not have matched Dwight’s production, but he nearly neutralized it. The Magic shot 39 percent from the field, turned it over 18 times, and had no answer for Gerald Henderson in the fourth quarter (he finished with 16). Charlotte doesn’t win all that often, so we ought to celebrate when they do!

Hawks 101, Pacers 96

I still don’t get how Josh Smith wasn’t an All-Star. Averaging 27 ppg and 13 rpg in his last 3 games, he came into this matchup with the Pacers and did it again—this time with 27 points on 19 shots, 9 rebounds and had 11 of ATL’s 18 points in the third quarter alone. David West scored a season-high 24 points, and Danny Granger’s 3-point play with under 30 seconds left made it a 1-point game. But after a pair of Jerry Stackhouse (yes, he’s still alive) free throws and the Pacers trailing by 3 with 22 seconds remaining, Granger clanked a 3-pointer, giving the Hawks their third straight win without Joe Johnson. Granger finished with 19 points and 8 rebounds, but Indiana fell to 23-14 on the year. Atlanta meanwhile had 23 assists (9 from Jeff Teague) to just 13 from Indy, and is now 23-15 on the year after taking the season series with the Pacers, 2-1.

Celtics 97, Rockets 92 (OT)

No matter how old they get, you can’t hate on the Celtics (okay, you can, but give them some credit every once in a while). Paul Pierce dropped 30 points—7 big ones in overtime—and Kevin Garnett passed Shaquille O’Neal for No. 12 on the all-time rebounding list, and Boston outlasted the Rockets to get to 20-17 on the year. The Cs have now won 5 in a row, while Houston has dropped 4 straight, as the Rockets couldn’t even find a good shot down 3 points with under 30 ticks left in the extra period. Ray Allen added 21 for Boston, KG finished with a 13×13 double-double and the Celtics held H-Town to 39 percent field goal shooting on a night when neither team could get anything to go from downtown. Six players scored in double figures for the Rockets, who got double-doubles from Luis Scola (18×14) and Samuel Dalembert (11×17) and an all-too-typical 18-7-7 line from Kyle Lowry.

Heat 108, Nets 78

Miami made 12 of its first 15 shots, opened up a 30-17 lead after one quarter and never looked back, leaving the recently Brook Lopez-less Nets in the dust as they improved to 29-9 on the year. The Heat shot 58 percent from the field while New Jersey hit on just 37 percent of its field goals, and MIA played 13 players—none better than LeBron James, who finished with 21 points, 9 rebounds and 6 assists. Dwyane Wade (13 points) left the game after rolling his ankle with 1:30 to go in the first half and did not return (why would he?) despite saying that he could have gutted it out if necessary. Frankly, it wasn’t necessary, since Chris Bosh decided to go hard in his first game back from personal leave, dropping 20 points in only 24 minutes of playing time. Even Deron Williams couldn’t stomach this game—he played only 26 minutes, scoring 16 points on 7-13 shooting before bowing out. New Jersey hosts the Clippers tonight at home.

Pistons 88, Lakers 85 (OT)

Kobe Bryant went vintage Black Mamba on the Pistons to end regulation, sinking a jumper at the buzzer over Tayshaun Prince to tie the game at 78-78 and send it to overtime, but Rodney Stuckey scored 6 of his 34 in the extra period as Detroit stunned the Lakers at the Palace, dropping L.A. to 23-15. It was Andrew Bynum who led the Lake Show with 30 points, 14 rebounds and 3 blocked shots, while Kobe scored 22 points on 8-26 shooting and Pau Gasol chipped in 20 points, 10 boards and 6 assists. But Stuckey scored 17 in the first quarter, then 17 in the fourth quarter and OT to lead the Pistons, who won despite shooting a worse percentage than the Lakers from the field and finishing up with fewer rebounds and assists. Detroit got just 2 points from Greg Monroe (1-10 shooting) but he had 15 rebounds, and Ben Gordon delivered a 15-5-5 line off the pine.

Mavericks 95, Knicks 85

Amar’e Stoudemire gave the Knicks a 78-77 lead with just under 5 minutes to play. Unfortunately for New York, that’s when the Mavericks decided it was time to play ball—they went on a 16-3 run (including 14 straight) and by the final minute, the game was out of reach for STAT and company. The defending champions took home a 10-point W to improve to 23-17 on the year on the strength of 28 points from Dirk Nowitzki, 18 from Roddy Beaubois and a season-high 15 from Jason Kidd, who also handed out 6 assists. Bothe teams shot under 39 percent for the game, but no one had a worse outing than Carmelo Anthony, who made just 2 of his 12 shot attempts and scored 6 points in his 31 minutes of action. On the night Tyson Chandler was honored for his role in the Mavs’ championship last year, it was Stoudemire who led the Knicks with 26 points, while Jeremy Lin chipped in 14 to go with 7 dimes. Dallas held a 26-15 advantage at the free throw line, and held up in the paint despite being without Brendan Haywood. New York shot 6-23 from beyond the arc, and fell to 18-20.

Line of the Night: Fine, Rodney Stuckey can have it for his 34 points. But I’m not happy about it!

Moment of the Night: Sure, they lost, but this was vintage Kobe Bryant to end regulation. And LeBron puts the exclamation on a blowout of the Nets to end the third quarter.

Dunk of the Night: Chris Bosh back? Chris Bosh back.

Tonight: I’ll be covering Clippers-Nets, so you’ll have to forgive me ahead of time for an abbreviated Post Up tomorrow, but we’ve got 13 games going on, including Boston-Philly, Heat-Hawks, Blazers-Wolves, Knicks-Spurs and more. Thankfully, my presence at the Prudential Center means I’ll probably miss most of Lakers at Wizards.

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  • Myung

    I’ll break from tradition and NOT post about the Hawks with my first comment of the day (the Hawks comment will follow this one). Big ups to Charlotte. Any time they win, it’s a big deal. And while the Bobcats might be the third best basketball team in the state of North Carolina right now, the Kemba and Biyombo (what a stat line last night) picks just might be the building blocks they need. IF they can get Drummond or especially Anthony Davis, this team just might have a bright future.

  • Myung

    Huge win for Atlanta last night. There are 4 classes of teams in the East. There’s Chicago and Miami. There’s Charlotte and Washington (sorry, Abe). There are the “other” teams (teams who aren’t Charlotte or Washington bad but who probably won’t squeeze into the top 8 unless Boston and/or Orlando blow up their teams within the next week). And then there’s the “six.” The “six” are Philly, Indiana, Boston, Atlanta, Orlando, and New York. Other than hype (NY) and depth (Philly), there isn’t much that separates these 6 teams. So any time Atlanta goes up against any of the other 5, it’s a statement game. We’ve played some bad ones (most recently against NY), and we’ve had impressive wins (like the one vs. Orlando right before the All Star break). Last night was possibly the most impressive, considering 1. We were again without Joe Johnson and Willie Green (meaning we were again playing without a real shooting guard) and of course Al Horford (so a LOT of credit has to go to Larry Drew for willing our team to wins, despite our lack of shot creators) 2. We were on the road and 3. Indiana got George Hill back recently, meaning they were fully loaded. It was a game we were destined to lose yet somehow came away with. Josh and Pargo were great last night. The OKC win on Saturday was our 2nd most impressive of the saeson (trumped only by an early season win AT Miami), but this Indiana one was almost as great. I mean, even when Joe and Willie (and eventually Al Horford) return, we’re not going to beat Miami or Chicago in the Postseason (NO ONE is going to beat them before the ECF), which is why I feel like we really should blow the team up and try to re-load through the draft (trade Josh and Hinrich while they have value). But I get the feeling Rick Sund is NOT going to make any big moves… so I guess I’ll just continue to celebrate regular season wins because that’s what we’re left to cheer for (making it past the 1st round, which we’ve done for three straight years, doesn’t excite anyone). I also get the sinking feeling that the elation of this impressive 3 game winning streak is going to come to a screeching halt tonight in Miami. I’m honestly afraid to even watch the game tonight. It’s going to be ugly. If we lose by less than 15, I’ll be happy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    No mention of Kobe’s ugly black mask last night? I swear that guy has real self awareness issues. Anyway, DEEEEEETROIT BASKETBAAAALL!!!! Rodney Stuckey is still a maddening player for me. He needs to keep up his latest consistency. Abe, why are you not happy giving Stuckey some props?

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    here’s hoping for a bright future for Beast-mack Biyombo…well Myung I think, eventhough he makes those stupid jumpers, Johs Smith is what Atlanta really needs. He NEEDS to improve his shooting though, get Chip Engelland now to teach him.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    *takes not makes those jumpers (eventhough he TAKES)..lol sorry

  • Justin G.

    Yeah, I don’t understand the black mask thing either. Obviously trying to be a little different, a little badass I guess. Probably suffered from lack of peripheral vision though vs. the clear one.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I knew the Knicks would take a few steps back with so many pieces coming back to the team. The schedule does them no favors while they must learn to gel.

  • JoeMaMa

    Bismack!! Representing Lubumbashi, DRC!! NICE!!!!

  • eyal

    ha nice, i’m in DRC now, no basketball fans here, strictly football country.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Abe Schwadron

    Just not a fan of Stuckey in general — see him as a bit of a selfish player. And I think he (and others) are stunting Monroe’s growth. Just personal opinion. But I can’t hate on a nice night. He did a nice Kobe impression vs. Kobe himself down the stretch.

  • Myung

    Josh Smith has been in the League since 2004. Guys who were once raw but learned how to shoot (Karl Malone, Shawn Kemp, Amar’e, and Antonio McDyess come to mind) didn’t take this many years to learn how to shoot. Most of those guys who developed solid mid range games were much improved by year 2 or 3. I don’t doubt Josh doesn’t work hard on his J, but the fact is, some guys can shoot and others can’t. I basically liken it to someone like Dwight Howard or Shaq or Roy Hibbert shooting jumpers. Now, they’ll hit some from time to time… but they’re going to miss more than they make… so they stick to what they do best, which is to NOT shoot jumpers. Josh Smith has been in the L since 2004 and still thinks he can hit a J. When you’re barely a 50% FT shooter (which is obviously an uncontested shot), that should tell you something about your ability to hit a shot outside of 18 feet. I blame Josh, but I also blame the guards who PASS to him when he’s spotting up for jumpers. They really should know better. A PG like Deron Williams or Chris Paul or Nash would NEVER give Josh a pass if he was spotting up outside. True story: Atlanta has a really sorry fan base, but ONE THING we (as a Philips Arena crowd) do well is yell “Nooooooooo” every time Josh winds up to shoot a jumper. Watch a Hawks home game and listen to the crowd when he launches a jumper, especially if the game is a close one in the 4th quarter. It’s the one thing the Hawks home crowd does well.

  • Justin G.

    Abe, I would even go so far as to say you’re being very kind when you say you see him as a BIT of a selfish player. Orange, the schedule does NOBODY any favours. They will have plenty of time after their first round KO to figure it out as well as a full training camp in October. :-)

  • MUBWAR

    stuckey is a selfish player. nothing new here. Monroeeeee. That dude’s game is just OLD but nice

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    I understand Myung, coming from a Hawk fan, I believe ya. I can only watch Atlanta (NBA) games on TV (I live in the Philippines) so I don’t hear the “nooooo” when I’m watching lol.

  • Myung

    Side note: it’s crazy to think how good that Atlanta Celtics AAU team was when it had Josh Smith, Randolph Morris (back when he was good), and Dwight Howard on it. But it also makes me wonder how much better Dwight and Josh would be right now if they spent less time depending on their athleticism (they’ve got to be two of the top 5 players in the entire LEAGUE who can dominate games by their God given BODIES more than using their skills) and focused more on fundamentals and improving their basketball IQ (if that’s even possible). Cerebral guys like Dirk, Nash, Paul Pierce, Chris Paul, and Kobe don’t depend (not anymore, in Kobe’s case) on their bodies to make plays. They use their minds. They pick their spots. When it comes to guys like Josh, Blake, and Dwight, I wonder how good they’ll be once their bodies betray them. Guys who depend on a high vertical leap and fast twitch muscles can only be so good after they hit age 30 or 31. They’ve GOT to develop more well rounded games, or they’re never going to hit that next next level. Dwight is a beast, and I don’t put him the same class as Josh or Blake because he is CLEARLY the best player at his position, bar none. But imagine just how much better he would be if he didn’t try to block shots out of bounds, hit even 10% more of his FT’s, had a consistent post game, or passed it better (a la Shaq), particularly to cutting teammates. I think Dwight can carry a team on his back, but he doesn’t necessarily make his teammates better, if that makes sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Stuckey was clutch last night. He had a great shooting night too (13-20FG, 7-7FT). Props to him for adding a semi-reliable 3 pt shot this season (35%), and it seems like he’s finishing at the rim better this season too, but I haven’t looked at his precentage around the rim this season. My only problem with Stuckey is his consistency. He’ll have a game like last night, then he’ll disappear the next couple of games.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    As a Pistons fan, I have to put up with Stuckey. I guess with you being a Wizards fan, Abe, you understand having to root for bipolar players, for lack of a better description. Stuckey came out like gangbusters his rookie year but has since forgot what got him here, and that is hard work. Funny thing is I am actually seeing a progression in Stuckey’s demeanor under coach Frank. He used to pout, especially last year, when he felt he wasn’t getting enough touches or playing time. Frank is having none of that. All Frank promised him is that if you work hard on the defensive end, I will get you the touches you deserve on the offensive end. And Stuckey is Detroit’s best perimeter defender. I just hope he stays aggressive for the rest of the season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Cosign TAD – I really like what Coach Frank is doing despite the fact that it isn’t really reflected in thier record yet. They’re actually trying on D, and there’s an actual rotation that makes sense. Players are rewarded for defensive effort and punished for the lack of defensive effort. Big difference from the lst two coaches.

  • Lauren

    I second that, TADOne. Stuckey’s demeanor seems different now in a good way. I was at the game last night and–as played out as the term is–he had some real calm swag down the stretch. TBH he’s impressed me by contributing more than I thought he would since he came back from that early-season injury. A month ago we would’ve lost this game, especially with Moose AND Knight having terrible games, but I felt comfortable having Stuckey as the go-to last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Wayno, it is like night and day from last season. Some players, like Daye and Bynum, have not brought into the defense first mentality and have been stuck to the bench. I know Villanueva is set to return soon but I don’t see much, if any, playing time for him considering his distaste for defense and rebounding. I hope there is a team desperate enough to come take Ben Gordon off the teams hands by the trade deadline.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    @Myung…I think that’s the problem with those uber-athletic players that comes straight out of HS. I think HS coaches doesn’t teach them the basic fundamentals of the game. I’m guessing it’s alright for their team to win rather than helping their players develop.

  • Myung

    Tim and Wayno, you guys hoping for an 8th seed? Or hoping they lose enough to grab a lottery pick?

  • JoeMaMa

    @eyal: where, exactly? I played some ‘pro’ ball just outside of Lubumbashi a couple of years back. Basketball’s growing there…

  • Heals

    Myung was it AAU or OakHill? But yeah that’s why RR and Melo have a little bond. Gotta love my C’s going to press to absolutely kill any semblance of O Hou tried to run in the 4th. Don’t know what they’ll have left in the tank for Philly tonight though. Then Portland Fri, LA and LA on a b2b Sun and Mon, hmmmm, we’ll see if they can get atop the Atlantic after that stretch…

  • Myung

    That’s a fair point, Fury, but if you think about guys like Kobe, KG, Bron (while he’s lacking a legit post game, his jumper has gotten so much better than his first year), and even guys like T-Mac and Jermaine O’Neal, you can’t really clump all the HS to NBA guys into that category. While I DO think a year of college would’ve helped all these guys out, some of them are very fundamentally sound. And honestly, there’s nothing wrong with relying on your athleticism. Use what God gave you, right? But it just makes me wonder how long their careers will last or how effective they’ll be when they’re older, if they don’t have a cerebral game to go along with their athleticism (I’d also throw DeAndre Jordan and maybe JaVale McGee into this category… although they at least went to college for a little bit). A lot of NBA players fall off once they hit 32 or 33, but I don’t know if there’s an NBA player out there who can be so effective at times but who has such a low basketball IQ and is such a poor ball handler and has such bad fundamentals as Josh. I’ve said this before on SLAMonline, but it truly is a testament to his freakish body when you consider how much he LACKS in his game, yet he still puts up eye popping NUMBERS. He really should be a two time All Star (robbed this year and two seasons ago), yet the man can’t hit a J, dribble, or make sound basketball decisions. God truly blessed Josh with a body to play Dr. Naismith’s game. If he just had half of Steve Nash’s or Chris Paul’s mind, Josh would’ve been a top 5 player in this League.

  • Myung

    Heals, they played AAU ball together. The Atlanta Celtics have rolled out a lot of good NBA talent… but at one time, they had a front court of Dwight, Randolph, and Josh. Imagine being a high school kid, going up against that sort of team. I bet all they did was shoot jumpers against them. How could you even think of challenging them inside?

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    LOL…I guess it’s all up to Josh Smith now, but yeah it’s mind boggling what he can do on the floor even with those weaknesses. He’s a stat buffer ala David Robinson for sure.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Bismack Biyombo is the new Dwight stopper!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    HOnestly, if you allow Kobe to get to that spot on the floor for a last second shot, you have completely failed as a defender. He is absolutely MONEY from that spot on the floor. I would wager that he’s hit more game winners from that spot than from any other spot on the floor.
    And, um, what are we saying about Lin now? Is there anything to discuss as of yet?

  • T-Money

    miami is a total different team with chris bosh. the man doesn’t get enough props for his defense. with shane battier’s 3-point shot coming around, i can see wade-battier-lebron-haslem-bosh or chalmers-wade-battier-lebron-bosh closing line ups in the playoffs. suffocating defense. i would still look to trade miller and joel for a center before the deadline if possible but i’m cool with the team if they don’t make any moves.

  • Myung

    Allen, it wouldn’t surprise me if Baron eventually replaced Jeremy in the starting lineup. I could see them giving Baron about 28 minutes and Jeremy 20 a night. I still think Jeremy is a better fit for D’antoni’s system, but Baron doesn’t turn it over as much as Lin and most importantly, he’s got EXPERIENCE. That being said, it was and is still a great story, and as I told a lot of people two weeks ago, it doesn’t matter if he’s out of the League in 2 years. That magical 3 week stretch is something we (as Asian Americans) will always have (highlighted by the Mavs game, the Lakers game, and the Raps game) to cling to. I truly hope he can carve out a niche for himself in the L and remain a relevant player for years to come, but he’s provided a lot of hope and inspiration to young Asian American kids (and most likely Asians, of the non-American type) everywhere. Maybe they can dream of being something other than a doctor or lawyer or engineer. None of that has changed, even if the numbers have gone down (which we all knew was going to happen once Melo and Baron got back and once JR Smith joined the team). The only thing that has changed is that the hype is now calmer (thank God… even I was getting sick of it, and I’m a fan of Jeremy’s), Baron is healthy, JR Smith is in the fold, and Melo and STAT are back as options 1A and 1B on the Knicks. There really isn’t much to say about Jeremy because he’s not really the story in NY any more. 1.5 years ago, all the talk was about STAT and Felton. 1 year ago, it was about Melo and the big trade. A few months ago, it was about Tyson and Baron. Most recetly, it was about Shump and Lin and Novak and JR Smith. I think NOW, we’re going to hear less about individual players and more about the TEAM. I think the Knicks are pretty legit. I don’t know if D’antoni’s system is the right one, but they’ve got really nice pieces to compete for a ring if they play their cards right.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What is wrong with Haslem?
    He was cool early in the year, but he’s been struggling of late. What happened to his jumper? Anybody know?

  • T-Money

    myung, fury – talent always prevails. people always seem to throw these warnings to young, athletic cats but the really talented ones figure it out. when bron came to the league, some analysts were saying that he wouldn’t be able to play at a high level in the 30s. since then, he’s added a jumpshot and a post game. and he will probably move to the 4 full time in his mid 30s to extend his playing career. karl malone was blake griffin when he came to the league and he made himself probably the best midrange shooting 4 of all time. blake has a good touch and crazy handles, he’ll figure it out. same thing with dwight. josh smith, on the other hand, he’s just not in that tier. he will suffer greatly from a drop in athleticism but i don’t think 1 or 2 year in college would have changed anything.

  • T-Money

    allen – it’s not only the jumper, he gets his sh– sent back half the time when he tries to score inside.

  • Myung

    I guess we’ll agree to disagree, T-Money, but I think college (even just ONE season) would’ve helped Josh out a lot. He’s made a fine career for himself (he’s earned a lot of money as a Hawks player and an adidas and Powerade endorser) and I’m sure he doesn’t care what critics like me have to say about him, but I feel like he had (past tense) the potential to really be something special in this League. I still feel like he’s still got a few good years left, but I also think he has an absolute ceiling because of his lack of fundamentals and his low basketball IQ. He’s certainly not a bust (in your face, Jay Bilas) and will go down as one of the best Hawks to ever play for our franchise (I think I can say that, now that he’s spent 8 years here)… but man, what could’ve been…

  • AD

    cp3 vs dwill tonight… its been a while

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Myung, I am completely aware that Detroit will not make the playoffs. Im not even going to pretend they will challenge for that #8 spot. However, I do hope they get a good spot in the lottery but I’m not for tanking games either. I think their is enough talent in this draft to get a good player regardless. I just our young guys like Monroe, Knight, Jerebko and Stuckey to get better.

  • Myung

    Austin Daye’s an enigma. Amazing preseason player. Totally lacks confidence in the regular season. Monroe and Knight is a SOLID duo to build around.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Josh believes he can shoot.
    Remember, when he first came in the league, he almost never shot jumpers. Then one summer he worked on his jumper somewhat and since then he’s been shooting them like crazy.
    I honestly believe he thinks he’s a good shooter. Like Kenyon Martin or Camby. They think they are good shooters because every once in a while they will hit quite a few shots. McGrady used to have the same disease.
    And Myung, it’s really interesting to hear you make that comment about Asians and sports. It’s almost a mirror image of how black folks view certain other types of success outside of the athletic arena.

  • AD

    whats up with ben gordon tho.. i barley hear his name? Austin day? i mean they have a solid future tho with knight and monroe.. hopefully stuckey can play like that more often

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Definitely was not feeling that Dark Knight look Kobe was sporting last night. 8-26?! Damn it he makes it hard for me to defend him sometimes. On a good note Bynum was a monster. Bosh’s presence isn’t given enough credit he opens up the floor and pick and roll. His defense is also understated with his ability to step out on p&r.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Ben Gordon was hurt at the beginning of the season. He is now the 6th man but still trying to get used to playing with Knight. BG is a great guy but he has no use on Detroit. My hope is one of these contenders needing a 2 guard and outside shooting inquire about him (hi Clippers!)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Not a bad night for Biyombo. Played Dwight better than many centers have done so far (even though Dwight still got his).

  • http://dsjfkl.com Jukai

    So… who is doing worse, Lin or Melo? That marriage is a bit rocky so far.
    Anyone comment on that god AWFUL three point shot by Kobe to tie for the second OT? I know he wanted to give more time for another shot, but I’m sure he coulda taken a dribble and got off a better shot. That was very weird, especially since he sank the regulation-shot so beautifully.
    Dwight Howard needs to be traded sooooon.

  • Myung

    In a lot of ways, Allen, the way many (though not all) Asian Americans view Lin is the way many (though not all) African Americans view Obama. I completely understand how defensive black people get when people criticize Obama because I’m sort of like that with about Jeremy (I almost see him like my younger brother… haha), although I think I’ve been very objective about his game (too many turnovers, not a true PG, not a knock down shooter). The thing about both Lin and Obama… it’s really about the youth of our cultures. Me, I’m 34. I love playing hoops, but I was average at best and I’m clearly way past my prime. I played intramurals and college and held my own, but I never had a career in basketball… but I’m thinking a lot of young kids (including my 10 month old son) coming down the pipeline might get a shot they never once did, now that Lin has opened the door for Asian Americans into the NBA. And for young black kids, I’m hoping President Obama’s rise will encourage them to study hard and strive to achieve the greatest of heights outside of just athletics. It’s strange, isn’t it? Stereotypically speaking, Obama succeeded where Asian Americans supposedly excel (the classroom) while Jeremy has found success where African Americans supposedly do their best (on the court). Two very inspirational stories. All the while, Harvard gets to claim both of them. haha. :)

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Baron does turn it over just as much as Lin, without any semblance of the scoring. Baron dribbles the ball a bit better than Lin, but that’s basically all he does better.
    @ Jukai: That’s a good question. Lin and Stat were clicking really well last night, but Melo couldn’t get it going at all.
    D’Antoni’s system isn’t meant for a prolific 1-on-1 scorer… It’s tailor-made to suit a good PG and a PnR big man, with shooters spreading the floor. That’s basically it.

  • http://dsjfkl.com Jukai

    Whoa now— Jeremy Lin had 14-3-7-2 in that game. This is, for all intents and purposes, his rookie year. If those are his averages for his career, I’d say he played QUITE successfully. No need to even conjecture about him being out of the league in two years.

  • http://dsjfkl.com Jukai

    I’m still saying: Dwight and Hedo for Tyson and Melo. Still saying it.

  • Myung

    Trust me, I’m probably as big a fan of his as there is, so there’s no conjecture on my part that he’ll be out of the League in two years. I hope he’s around for a long, long time. I’m merely saying that even if he IS out of the League, even by next month, it doesn’t take away from what he has accomplished in this short amount of time, for Asian Americans.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jeremy Lin is going to have a long career if he doesn’t get injured. And he’s going to end up better then anyone really expected. I think those are the only things that we know about him at this point.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    Dwight howard WILL not stay after this. then again he really isn’t aggressive enough. How do you let a rookie lock you down like that? smh. allen wasn’t mcgrady a decent shooter at one point?

  • Myung

    Teddy, you and I are both big fans of Jeremy. I went to see him play for the Mavs summer League team in Vegas in July of 2010 and went to see him play as a Warrior vs. the Hawks last season, although he freaking got sent down to the D League that very day (very disappointing for me and my friends). That being said, I think you’re discounting Baron’s game if you say all the does better than Jeremy is dribble. I don’t know if Baron’s body will hold up, but let’s not forget how good a player he was as recently as early last season. In my subjectivity, I’d rather see Jeremy get PT over Baron, but it still doesn’t mean he’s a hands down better player. By next year (Jeremy will have more experience under his belt and Baron will be one year older), I think I’d take Jeremy all day. But as of right now? There’s a major lack of experience (particularly big game experience), and PG is the most important position on the court, ESPECIALLY in the D’antoni system. Again, I’m NOT saying Baron is better, but it would NOT shock me if he slowly started getting crunch time minutes over Jeremy once the postseason arrives. I don’t want to see that happen, but it wouldn’t shock me if it did. A healthy Baron Davis is a very legit PG in this league.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It after his first three or four years Datkid. Check out basketball reference for proof. Also Vince had an underrated career in some ways.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Vince has had a very underrated career. But that comes with through the roof expectations. And how quickly he became elite. It took him what, 1 year?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I don’t really watch that much DET basketball, so can someone tell me whether or not Greg Monroe is a bad defender because last night during the 4th qtr and OT, the coach went with BWallace and JMaxiell against a big LA frontline when 6-11 253 Monroe would have been the better option with the way LA bigs were dominanting on the offensive and defensive end.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Monroe is pretty much average on D. I will say this though, he is more of a PF on defense then a Center. He works better in active defensive roles then the anchor role.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    @ Myung – Detroit won’t get near that #8 spot. Part of me want’s them to get a great pick in the draft, but I just can’t bring myself to hope for losses. I always want them to win games, so I don’t want them to tank either. Ideal situation is that the young guys continue to get experience and learn coach Franks system while losing some close games and pulling out some unlikely wins (like last night). Hopefully they’ll still get a top 5ish draft pick.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    cosign nbk – He’s not terrible, but true centers tend to eat him alive. He’d be fine as more of a complimentary defender. A good defensive center would do wonders for him and for Detroit.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    JTaylor, Monroe is actually a pretty good defender for only hid 2nd year in the league. What happened in the game last night was that Monroe was struggling very bad offensively and was letting it carry over to the defensive side (although he did have 15 rebounds). He was getting worked by Bynum, which is no surprise considering he is actually a PF playing C for the Pistons. Frank decided to let Wallace play down the stretch because he was doing a good job putting a body on Bynum. Same for Maxiell doing a good job getting Pau off his post position.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    What’s the consensus on Rodney Stuckey now? He’s finally able to play the 2 guard and it looks like he’s doing a helluva job.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    From the POV of someone who watches almost no Detroit basketball.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Also adding to the Monroe comment: he plays right now around 255-260 but his body type is ideal for him to play at around 270-275. He definitely needs to get stronger and will. I look for him to add that magical 15 pounds of muscle this summer. And as Wayno suggested, Detroit’s dream scenario would be to add one of the coveted bigs in the draft so that they could move Monroe to his more natural PF position.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He looks great and then he looks bad.

  • Myung

    Think about how good Utah can be next year. They own Golden State’s pick, and while it’s top 7 protected this year, let’s say Golden State gets the 8th pick and Utah gets the 12th pick (very possible). That’s two lottery picks in a loaded draft, to add to a young team of Kanter, Favors, Jefferson, and Millsap (best young frontcourt in the NBA?). If Utah drafts or deals wisely (they probably need to deal Jefferon, right?), you’re talking about a legit force by next year, which is a crazy quick turnaround, considering they lost their three franchise cornerstones a year ago (Boozer and Deron Williams and AK47).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jefferson or Millsap are going to get traded sooner or later. In fact I know Utah has been shopping Jefferson for a while, it’s just hard to find a team that wants to pay a big guy who shoots more then Nick Young and plays less defense then Amar’e Stoudemire the $29M dollars he is owed between this season and next.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Teddy, read my 9:57 comment on Stuckey. But to elaborate on it further: I still have high hopes for Stuckey, especially now that the Pistons finally understand he is more of a 2 guard than a PG. I believe Stuckey regressed because they kept force feeding him the PG position instead of letting him do what he does best: getting into the paint and getting to the line. He is still handling about half of the PG duties because coach Frank doesn’t want to rush Brandon Knight into that duty full time at 19. I believe by next season Stuckey could be a 20 PPG scorer. He just has to stay diligent.

  • Myung

    Joe Johnson for Al Jefferson sounds about right. The only way you can trade one bad contract is to trade it for another (see: Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis, circa last trade deadline).

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    I would trade Ben Gordon straight up for Al Jeffersons contract.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think Utah value’s Jefferson too high. I heard a couple weeks ago they inquired the Warriors about Monta Ellis. Now we all know I’m not the biggest Monta fan around here, but that’s just absurd. Al Jefferson is supremely overrated if anyone really thinks he’s THAT good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Al Jefferson was that good…..3 years ago.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah before his knee imploded.

  • AD

    wouldnt it be funny if deron williams was traded to dallas…. i would be mad as hell but it would be funny.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    smh people must have forgot about B.dizzle… before Donald sterling made him eat his own soul, homie was a VERY good player. and I hear you allen and nbk. what exactly caused him to shoot worse though?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    McGrady’s shooting % seems to reflect his athleticism.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    hmmm

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, I think it reflects that he thought that he could shoot. He was athletic in Orlando, and still shot 43 percent. He thought he was a better shooter than he really was, starting settling for long jumpers and jacking bad threes, and that was that.
    Look at his three pointers attempted. I imagine if hoopdata existed back then, it would show that in addition to those threes he took tons of really long two pointers. Dude didn’t have to settle, he just liked doing it because it was the easier shot. He could still get to the hole, he just didn’t want the hassle.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ahh good point, i did not notice those 7.73PTA in 04. That’s just crazy.

  • el_larsen

    deeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit basketball!!
    i was not sold on rodney stuckey,but ,to my delight,he seems to be rising with lawrence franck.he and bk7 will form a great backcourt
    nice defense from tay prince on kobe(except for the tying shot)like in 2004 kobe struggled instead of feeding bynum
    tad one and wayno,who do you want in the draft?i go with harrison barnes
    and i m sold on jerebko

  • el_larsen

    not sold sorry

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Jerebko is nice off the bench, he’s not a starter. Barnes is nice, the could use his scoring. Aonthony Davis is still who I want the most…him playing next to Monroe would be unbelievable.

  • el_larsen

    yeah davis is the man but he ll be gone .
    so there s drummond kidd gilchrist (sorry)who is a great on defense.
    i maybe crazy but would you trade (gordon,bynum ,or jerebko)for …beasley?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Yeah fair enough, Myung. I just don’t think it would be wise for the Knicks to change up after winning that many games with Lin at the helm. But Baron might be able to co-exist with Melo a lot easier than Lin.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    With the way the lottery is chosen, Detroit could very well be in the top 3 in the draft. With that said you aim high and go for Davis. Andre Drummond and Harrison Barnes would be the next bigs off the board. If you don’t get those 3 you still have Sullinger and John Henson or the kid from Miss St, Moultrie (sp?). Bottom line there are a ton of talented bigs coming out and that should be where Detroit focuses. The only position I would consider if I was Dumars would be SF and the targets would be either Kidd-Gilchrist from Kentucky or Perry Jones from Baylor ( who could also be a PF)

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    *the only OTHER position

  • eyal

    @joemama. i’m in the oriental province near the ugandan border. I’ll have to check out lubumbashi…

  • Justin G.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t McGrady starting to have back issues then as well. Some stop taking it to the hole when they fear landing the wrong way and reinjuring themselves, especially with something as tough as a back injury.

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