Monday, March 5th, 2012 at 8:35 am  |  124 responses

Post Up: Point Guard Hard

DWill gets 57, Rondo messes around for a triple-double and DRose leads the Bulls to a W.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

Some days are just basketball days. I woke up to Knicks-Celtics, took a halftime break to get up some shots of my own, then settled in for an afternoon-into-evening of hoops. And man, did the NBA deliver some greatness. Is there any denying this is a point guard League, people? Last night alone we had Rondo, Deron, CP3, DRose, Nash, Lawson…

Celtics 115, Knicks 111 (OT)

With all the debate lately over who holds the title of League’s best pure point guard, Rajon Rondo—for at least one day—is forcing his way into the conversation. He notched his second triple-double in three games, this time with 20 assists, 18 points and 17 rebounds (a career-high), while his counterpart at PG, Jeremy Lin, scored 14 points but shot 6-16 and had just 5 assists to 6 turnovers. Boston let came back from a double-digit first-half deficit, and Paul Pierce drilled a 3-pointer with 4.9 seconds left in regulation to send the game to overtime. In the extra period, it was all Rondo, as he put Boston in the driver’s seat down the stretch with consecutive assists to Ray Allen, helping the Celtics improve to 19-17 on the year. Pierce (34 points) and Carmelo Anthony (team-high 25 points, 8-20 shooting) traded clutch buckets at the end of the fourth quarter—first Melo to the cup, then Pierce over Lin, then Melo over Pierce—before the lifetime Celtic dialed up from deep to sink the hearts of Knicks fans everywhere with a trey from the top of the key. Melo had one last chance to get the W in regulation, but missed a fading jumper form the corner. New York (18-19) got 14 apiece off the bench from Steve Novak and Iman Shumpert, 7 assists from Baron Davis, and Amar’e Stoudemire finished with 16 points and 13 boards, but had 22 team turnovers (6 from Davis).

Lakers 93, Heat 83

Kobe Bryant scored 33 points, leading the Lakers to their 8th win in 10 games, exacting revenge on Dwyane Wade a week after the now-infamous hard foul in the All-Star game. The Mask shot 14-23 from the field and hit three big shots in a row in the fourth quarter—Kobe has scored 30+ in every one of his three games with the extra facial hardware. Miami, meanwhile, was without Chris Bosh again, and Dwyane Wade fouled out with more than 5 minutes left in the fourth (finishing with 16 points, 5 assists, 5 turnovers). Post-game, Wade complained about the Staples Center lights bothering him after being knocked around in the third quarter. In-game, Wade complained about four tough foul calls in a five-minute stretch of the fourth. Starting in place of Bosh for the first time since the 2009 Playoffs, Udonis Haslem had a forgettable game, going 0-5 from the floor with zero points and 2 rebounds in 19 minutes. LeBron James racked up 25 points, 13 rebounds and 7 dimes, but it wasn’t enough, as the Heat couldn’t get within striking distance in crunch time. The Lakers locked down on D, holding the Heat to 37.5 percent shooting, blocking 10 shots and feeding off defensive intensity from Metta World Peace, who had 4 steals, plus 17 points. The big fellas both had double-doubles—Pau Gasol with 11 and 10, and Andrew Bynum with 16 and 13.

Raptors 83, Warriors 75

Both teams shot under 38 percent from the field, but the Raptors had DeMar Derozan, who dropped 25 points to push Toronto past Golden State in a sloppy affair. The third quarter doomed the Warriors, whose 47-38 halftime lead evaporated in a heartbeat, as GSW scored only 11 points in the frame. Golden State was within 4 with just over two minutes to play, but the Raps closed things out simply by out-hustling the Ws, despite 22 points and 12 rebounds from David Lee and 20 points from Monta Ellis. Lee found Ellis for the game’s hottest highlight—a ridiculous spinning finish in traffic in the fourth quarter—but the Warriors were once again without the services of Stephen Curry, who dressed but did not play, nursing that sore right foot. It was a tough night for Nate Robinson (who shot 2-12 from the field and finished with 7 points) and Dorell Wright (1-9, 3 points).

Nets 104, Bobcats 101

Deron Williams wants his name in the No. 1 point guard talk, too. All he did last night was drop a cool 57 on the Bobcats, all of them much-needed, as the Nets escaped Charlotte with a 3-point win, moving to 12-26 on the year. Charlotte blew a 16-point lead, and now owns a 4-31 record. Williams brought New Jersey back from an 8-point halftime deficit thanks to 40 second-half points, including 22 in the third quarter. He scored more points from the free throw line alone (21) than the rest of the Nets starters scored total (20). Bottom line, dude was ridiculous. DWill added 7 assists and 6 boards, and the only other Net in double figures was Kris Humphries, who put up 11 points and grabbed 13 rebounds. The Bobcats shot sub-39 percent from the field, made 2 of 14 three-pointers, and were led in scoring by Corey Magette’s 24, despite his 4-12 shooting. Somehow, Charlotte was close enough to see a potential game-tying DJ Augustin heave at the buzzer fall short. Unfortunately for New Jersey, the awesomeness of Williams’ huge performance was countered by a not-so-awesome injury for Brook Lopez, who hobbled off the court after 15 minutes with a rolled ankle and left the arena on crutches.

Clippers 105, Rockets 103 (OT)

Another crazy one from yesterday, featuring a ridiculous 20 ties and 24 lead changes. Chris Paul scored 28 points, dropped 10 dimes, only had 2 turnovers and overcame a couple non-CP3-ish plays down the stretch to lead the Clippers to an overtime win over Houston. With the game tied up, Courtney Lee bottled up Paul on the last play of regulation—Paul didn’t even get a shot off in time, though the one he fired up after the buzzer went in. In overtime, Blake Griffin stole a Houston inbounds pass with 50 seconds left and the Clippers up by one, then Samuel Dalembert returned the favor, scooping up a CP3 turnover, but the Rockets couldn’t get anything to go in crunch time. Kevin Martin (team-high 25 points) missed a 3-pointer at the horn that would have won the game for Houston. KMart clanked 3 jumpers in the last 1:06. Dalembert (17, 12, 3 blocks) and Luis Scola (16 and 12) each delivered with double-doubles—Griffin did too, with 14 and 11, but shot 5-14 and had 4 turnovers.

Bulls 96, Sixers 91

With the Bulls clinging to a 2-point lead and the clock ticking under 30 seconds, Derrick Rose stared down a Philadelphia double-team and said one big “eff you,” declining his option to swing the ball away from multiple defenders and instead driving right past them, swooping to his left, careening back to his right as he fell out of bounds and sinking a runner off the wrong foot to give Chicago a 93-89 lead with 20 seconds remaining. The Sixers cut the lead to just 3 with 8 seconds left, but the best Philly could get was an Andre Iguodala three that didn’t even draw iron. Rose battled two and three defenders down the stretch but still managed to rack up 35 points (20 in the second half) on 23 shots, plus 8 assists, plus long jumpers to beat the buzzer for both the second and third quarters. The Bulls shot 48 percent, to just 39 percent from the Sixers, and Chicago has the NBA’s best record at 31-8. Philadelphia did all it could to take down Chi-town, trying to push the pace and get out in transition (18 fast break points), but in the end the Bulls—well, Rose—made the winning plays down the stretch. Thaddeus Young led the Sixers with 17 points off the bench, and Elton Brand added a stellar 14-13-5 line in defeat.

Suns 96, Kings 88

The Suns won their third straight game, and in each of those wins, they’ve come back from down double-digit deficits. This time, Phoenix did it behind 19 points and 7 assists from Steve Nash and double-doubles courtesy of Marcin Gortat (14 points, 17 rebounds) and Channing Frye (11 and 10). Plus, the Suns got big boosts from Jared Dudley and Shannon Brown in the fourth quarter. Dudley scored 8 of his 14 in the fourth quarter, and 6 of Brown’s 13 points came on back-to-back three-balls down the stretch as PHX used a 15-3 run to open the final period and pulled away. DeMarcus Cousins had 16 points and 14 boards, but only two-thirds of the Kings’ three-guard lineup played well—Marcus Thornton scored 23 and Tyreke Evans had 17, plus 6 dimes, but Isaiah Thomas managed only 8 points on 3-13 shooting in 32 minutes.

Nuggets 99, Spurs 94

Tim Duncan threw down a dunk with 30 seconds to play to get the Spurs within 1, but Ty Lawson stroked a clutch jumper with 11.1 seconds remaining to seal the game for the Nuggets, who improved to 21-17, and handed San Antonio just its 3rd home loss of the season. Lawson narrowly missed a triple-double, finishing with 22 points, 11 assists and 9 rebounds—he was the difference maker in this one, and it was his second straight game with 20+ points and 10+ dimes. Tony Parker led the Spurs with 25 points, but San Antonio never led and had no answer for Lawson and company in the open court, as Denver scored 24 fast break points on the night. The Nuggs spoiled Manu Ginobili’s return to the court—he scored just 8 points in 24 minutes off the bench after missing two weeks with a strained abdominal muscle. Tim Duncan had 14 points and 9 boards, and gave Birdman the biz at least once, but it was the Denver bigs that had all the spark in the second half. Al Harrington scored 16 points and Kenneth Faried was a wave of energy in the fourth quarter. Even so, the Spurs had a chance to tie the game late, but Gary Neal’s three rattled out in the closing seconds.

Line of the Night: Take your pick of point gods: Deron Williams’ 57 or Rajon Rondo’s 18 points, 20 assists and 17 rebounds. It was Rondo’s 5th straight game with 10+ assists, and he joins Magic Johnson and Jason Kidd as the only other players to drop a 15-15-15 triple-double in the past 25 seasons. Williams set the NBA season-high, his own career-high and Nets franchise record (unless you count Dr. J’s ABA days).

Moment of the Night: Paul Pierce takes the Knicks to overtime with a vintage clutch three, and Derrick Rose does something I’m not sure anyone else can do.

Dunk of the Night: Your Sunday nominees include Iman Shumpert, LeBron James and Gerald Green.

Tonight: 9 games, highlighted by Mavs-Thunder (my WCF pick) on NBATV at 8, plus Pacers-Bulls and Clippers-Timberwolves.

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  • LA Huey

    Lakeshow, in Pau’s defense, the shorter guy always gets preferential treament when there’s a battle in the post. No way refs would let Bron bump and push Kobe around the way he did Pau. At the same time, there’s no way Kobe lets his teammates get away with not giving him the rock if he’s going to fight that hard for position.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Chris Paul just seems to get more out of lesser teammates. I don’t know why. It just seems to be true.
    .
    I’m basing that off of what Paul did with those Hornets teams, those were terrible, horrid, ugly, poorly constructed teams, and somehow Chris Paul led them to the playoffs every year he was healthy.

  • Kadavour

    @NBK Pray-f*cking-tell how? Is Chris Paul making Blake Griffin better now? I still see Griff going one-on-one and shooting ugly fade-aways.

  • LA Huey

    I don’t see the current CP3 improving the same Nets Deron has to deal with. CP3 is still great but picks and can only be elite a quarter or two out of a game. He wouldn’t have that luxury with the Nets

  • Kadavour

    “seems” to be true is weak. I can see a drastic difference in how Boozer and Brewer get their buckets now than how they did in Utah. But this isn’t a Rose/DWill debate. Hump is having record years with DWill, and he gets production out of Lopez too (haven’t seen as much as i’d like to see from the both of them together though).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kadavour, you see the word lesser teammates? You see where I said Deron Williams wouldn’t make the Clippers any worse? Pray-f*cking-tell if you actually paid attention to what i said.

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    man there were more people in the stands watching Wilt scoring 100, than last night in Charlotte to see Deron’s 57.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Kris Humphries was doing this the whole second half of last season. It started before Deron Williams became his teammate. Lopez was also productive before they got Williams.

  • AD

    @nbk idk it’s too hard too tell.. i do think cp3 is an better pick and roll player just becuase he is so patient… some ppl have gone and said he has been the best floor general since issiah thomas and stockton. im only 20 so i didnt see them play like that but that says a lot about cp3. i just cant wait until dwill gets dwight so the world can see how good he is, but cp3 and dwill are to great pg’s.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Abe Schwadron

    There were more people to watch me drop 7 at the SLAM pick up run on Tuesday than there were in Charlotte to see Deron’s 57.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    it’s almost like Chris Paul is the PG that makes everyone better. But Deron Williams is the better individual player. I think that’s partially why there are such strong feelings about each player. People say Chris Paul is overrated because he doesn’t have great individual numbers, while others say Deron Williams is overrated because he puts up great numbers on teams that don’t have (as) much success.

  • AD

    yea and if you guys dnt know i am a nets fan and kris hump has been doing this since last year.. and brook was good when we had vince and devin harris. there was a time when brook would just dunk the ball eveytime he had a chance.. Now its soft layups which dont go in sometimes. dwill does make anthony morrow look good and he would make sheldon will too but he has greasy hands everygame.

  • http://dsjfkl.com Jukai

    Uh, Chris Paul’s best individual seasons are better than Deron William’s best individual seasons.
    Paul dropped 22.8/5.5/11/2.8 on 50% shooting with 3 TOs
    Deron’s best year was what, 19.4/2.9/10.7/1.1 on 47% with 3.4 TOs?
    So not sure where this “Williams has better numbers but doesn’t have much success” argument.

  • AD

    ^^lol you obviously did not read

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jukai, I’m talking about now. Not before Chris Paul’s knee injury. Pre-Knee Injury Chris Paul was by far the best PG on earth imo.

  • http://www.Dimemag.com showtime

    Im late but when did G-money get back in the league??I know he was beasting for the D-league Allstar game.

  • http://dsjfkl.com Jukai

    NBK: Well, fair enough, but even now, I don’t get the argument…
    Williams: 22.6/3.5/8.2/1.1 4TOs 41%
    Chris Pa: 19.7/3.5/8.4/2.2 2TOs 49%
    How is Williams putting up the better numbers? He’s just hitting his stride, and yeah, the 57 points is bananas but judging the season and not one game, they look pretty even to me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jukai, do you need me to really show you that Deron Williams is doing that with a D-League team and Chris is doing what he’s doing with one of the most talented teams in the league?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I have seen KB post on Bron enough over the years to know that he can post him up. Saw it in the All Star game like 5 times too.(I know it’s the AllStar game, but whatever it’s not like Bron likes getting posted up in all star game by his biggest rival) Why wasn’t LeBron guarding Kobe anyway? He guards D-Rose, but not Kobe. That’s interesting to me. Pau should never let Bron do that to him do that. Ever. He got two offensive fouls trying to post up Bron. That’s just gross. He is a 7′ excellently skilled POWER Forward. Pau does have a fade away shot. He uses decently often. Never should that embarrassing sh*t happen to him though. What was Bron doing when he was beasting Pau in the post anyway? He was like foaming at the mouth and growling and stuff… That was kinda funny.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    (for the record, i still think Chris Paul is the best PG on earth, but Deron Williams is right there, i just like Chris Paul’s effect on his teammates more then Deron Williams ability to dominate a game for 40 minutes)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow, really, why wasn’t LeBron guarding Kobe? Because Chris Bosh was in a suit. Did you not pay attention to the game?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Utah had as much, or more, success than New Orleans or the Clippers.
    People say Deron is better because of what he can do in an individual scoring situation. Deron is able to get his shot off against basically anyone in the League, mainly because of the effectiveness he has in using that crossover to set up his jumper.
    However, before Paul’s injury, Paul had the advantage from a physical standpoint as far as quickness. Since he messed up his new, that advantage is much smaller.
    Paul does seem to get more out of his teammates and he does make them better. Just because Blake is shooting stupid shots in the post doesn’t mean it’s Paul’s fault, it means those are the plays Del Negro called. David West used to get similar plays, but thanks to how wet his jumper used to be, he was knocking them down with ease. Blake gets TONS of wide open jumpshots every game. He just can’t shoot well enough to punish teams yet.
    I think with Rose, Deron and Paul, you can’t go wrong choosing either player as your “best” in the League at point guard. It’s similar to when LeBron, Wade and Kobe were all vying for best overall player in the League a few years back. On any given night, one of them would look like the best. Same thing with the point guards.
    The really crazy thing is that of the 30 teams in the League, I would say 28 have a very good quality point guard. Basically, they only time you can get a night off in the League if you play point guard is when you go to Los Angles and maybe Dallas. That’s it.

  • LA Huey

    LakeShow, Bron’s antics fronting Pau was pretty entertaining. It was like he got possessed by KG for a minute. LBJ had to guard Kobe because Spo decided to go small when he had LeBron in there. The Lakers bigs had Howard, Pittman, and Joel crapping their pants they were getting abused so badly.

  • twinparadox

    Gerald Green sighting!!! I’m satisfied

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Was that an answer…

  • http://dsjfkl.com Jukai

    NBK: A lot of players (Jordan, Kobe, Chamberlain, Robertson, Robinson, Stockton, Kareem, Malone, Garnett) had some of their best years on some of their most awful rosters.
    When a player has to do it all, it often shows on the stat sheet.
    All irrelevant, of course, since you talked about DWill having better “numbers” period.
    It’s a silly argument anyway, bottom line my opinion is that DWill isn’t blowing Chris Paul away in numbers for me to say DWill is better. In all actuality, Deron Williams has had a disappointing season to say the least. One immense explosion certainly helps, but not the way some people are acting.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Right, but Utah was much more talented then New Orleans. Deron Williams gets what he should out of his teammates while thriving individually. Chris Paul gets the most out of his teammates, while thriving in big moments. Other then 3 games last year in the playoffs, when have you watched Chris Paul since his knee injury and said, “he just dominated that whole game?”
    .
    That’s the reason I can’t see the Clippers being worse with Williams, Chris Paul is getting everything he can out of those guys in the situations he is given but his coach is not putting him in any situation to maximize anyone’s production. Deron Williams would be able to play in VDN’s “system” (if that’s what you would call it) while going off individually. While Paul has to pick his spots.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jukai, I said Chris Paul is better. Just not from an individual perspective. He’s a PG, imo, his effect on his team is more important then his production so he’s a better player.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No I mean it makes sense because Bron took Pau out of the game completely, but Kobe was hammin on Battier and D-Wade. Seems like a Bron on KB duel was appropriate. Shoulda put Bron on Bynum that woulda been fun to watch lol.

  • AD

    and for the record.. i hope devin harris can pick up his play … he was so fun to watch all star year…. was kind of like rose just not as athletic .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOsRE9Xewk4

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe Bryant scored a whopping 15 points after the 1st quarter. He made big shots in the 4th, but it’s not like he was burning Battier. He was making extremely difficult shots. All fadeaways except that three he got off the scramble. What was LeBron going to change? And was it really worth getting destroyed down low?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Your right he was going to make those daggers no matter who was guarding him. It’s a personal thing not a basketball thing. I just want to see Bron go up against Kobe directly. I like watching the greats go one on one against each other. It’s thrilling to me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m with you. I wish we could have the All Stars play against each other in a 7 game series for a billion dollars. Just do the teams by matchups, Rose, Wade, James, Bosh, & Bynum v Paul, Bryant, Durant, Dirk, Howard. – I like Bynum with a less selfish team, and Dwight with a more selfish team, so I switched their conferences.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    DRose is the best PG in the NBA…yeah I said it.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Also, didn’t I say that Bron is the best all-around defender in the NBA?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    You might be right on both counts JTaylor, but it’s debateable on both. Bron is how his is because of his siz eand strength. Battier, Toney Allen, Sefalosha,(don’t feel like looking up his name for spelling purposes) and a few other guys are “better” defenders, but lack the athletic ability and overall size to do what Bron does to defenders. D-Rose is great, but for my money I take Chris Paul in the better PG debate. D-Rose might be the better player though. Arguable for sure. nbk, those games would be sick. All them playing tough D unlike the AllStar games..

  • http://dsjfkl.com Jukai

    NBK: I’m not getting what you mean by an individual standpoint. Their numbers are identical. Do you mean Deron Williams can carry a talentless team better than Paul can, but Chris Paul can maximize talent better than Deron can?

  • Heals

    The thing about Rose’s lay-ups (need to find a new word for what he does cause lay-up isn’t apt) that gets me outta seat is they are so clean. Through the net without touching anything, no rattle, no couple bounces or a lucky roll, just always clean off glass, never a blemish…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I mean Deron Williams numbers reflect his teammates. The better his teammates are, the better his individual numbers are. The better Chris Paul’s teammates are doesn’t really reflect on him individually, he produces what he produces. He just makes bad teammates better to get there. (does that make sense?) Chris Paul can make the playoffs with a bad team, Deron Williams prolly can’t. But Chris and Deron can both push an elite team over the top, just for different reasons. (does that make sense?) this is f*cking incredibly hard to explain. Will someone with the ability to write explain what I’m trying to say?

  • http://dsjfkl.com Jukai

    NBK: Uh, yes, I guess I agree, I just never bothered to think about such a conceptual player comparison, haha. I guess it is something to think about when placing guys in different scenarios.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Is there any other logical way to compare Paul and Williams? They are such f*ckin close. It’s like trying to compare green grapes to purple grapes nutritionally.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, I used to make that “Paul is a better PG while Rose is a better player” argument months ago and I’ve now come to the realization that was a foolish statement. How can you be a better player than the supposed best PG and not be the best PG in the NBA? If that makes any sense to you.
    There are a couple of cats that are better on-the-ball defenders than Bron, there are also a couple of cats that are better help-defenders but there’s no one better at all phases of defense (help, one-on-one). The man guards all 4 positions on a consistent basis and does a great job neutralizing each one. No one in the NBA comes close to doing that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jukai, how else would you compare them though? It’s like trying to distinguish the nutritional value between Green & Purple grapes…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Hmmmm. If I want a PG to run my team, I want Chris Paul. If I want a player to win me games from the PG position. I take Derrick Rose. That’s the only way I rationalize it. I want Chris Paul on the Lakers over Rose. Paul would orchestrate from the PG position better than Rose would. I understand your position, but for now i’m sticking with mine. We agree on Bron. He is the most versatile(best all around) defender, but imo he is not the best at the art of defending. Get me? Weird I know lol.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’ve tried to post this a lot, if it comes out multiple times i apologize, but, Jukai, how else you going to compare them though? It’s like trying to figure which has more nutritional value, Green Grapes or Purple Grapes….

  • AD

    the whole debate was about dwill and cp3 not drose lol…….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    My comments won’t post. This is annoying as can be. Jukai, that’s the only way I can see to compare them. My analogy about figuring the nutritional difference between green grapes and purple grapes feels right, but Slam doesn’t like it. Jerks. Jerks. Jerks. Jerks.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    My comments won’t post. This is annoying as can be. Jukai, that’s the only way I can see to compare them. My analogy about figuring the nutritional difference between green (fruit) and purple (fruit) feels right, but Slam doesn’t like it. Jerks.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ofcourse, the word g.r.a.p.e.s. is the problem. ofcourse.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The way you posted it made sense NBK.
    Deron Williams does not elevate horrible talent. He puts up numbers, but he doesn’t make players max out their ability with his play. Yet, if you have good players and they can do their thing, he won’t hurt them. And, he can go get you points from the point guard position whenever you need them.
    Paul makes other players better. He somehow puts them in positions to score. He has done the same for the Clippers and would do it more if Blake had a freaking jumper and VDN stopped effing around with the offense. But, Paul isn’t going to score in isolation a lot. He can’t just flip that switch at will and get a bucket. He can look for his shot more, but he can’t promise you a clean look, particularly not since the knee injury.
    You can’t go wrong with either one if your team is already good.

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