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Monday, March 26th, 2012 at 8:35 am  |  99 responses

Post Up: Sunday Funday

Four overtimes in Atlanta, a possible Finals preview in OKC and the Grizz win in L.A.

by Abe Schwadron | @abe_squad

Wow. Big night. Let’s hit it.

Suns 108, Cavaliers 83

Marcin Gortat scored the first 10 points of the game all by himself, and the Suns led from start to finish in a drubbing of the Cavaliers. Phoenix led by as many as 28 and was buoyed by Gortat’s 22 points. The old vs. new point guard battle could be called a draw, since Kyrie Irving came up with a team-high 16 points to go with 6 rebounds and 4 assists, but the rookie also had 5 turnovers, while savvy vet Steve Nash dropped 13 dimes and needed to shoot just 2-2 from the field (4 points) to lead his team to a blowout win—oh, and he had just 1 turnover. The Cavs have lost 6 of their last 7, and Byron Scott flatly assessed his team after the latest loss with this nugget: “We’re not a very good team right now.”

Timberwolves 117, Nuggets 100

One game after putting up 51 points, Kevin Love poured in 30 and grabbed 21 rebounds—his third 30-20 game of the season and No. 7 for his career, which leads all active players (the rest of the NBA has two this season, total)—and the Wolves used a huge first-half run to build a big lead against Denver. The Nuggets found themselves down by 28 in the first half, thanks in part to a 39-9 run at one point. Luke Ridnour chipped in 25 points for Minnesota, which took home the W despite being outscored 64 to 38 on points in the paint and being outshot 51 percent to 46 percent. Denver, which was led by Kenneth Faried’s 17 points and Javale McGee’s 13×11 double-double, is now 2-6 in its last 8 road games.

Celtics 88, Wizards 76

With missing pieces on both sides, including Ray Allen (ankle), Mickael Pietrus (head) and Nene (back), second-year guard Avery Bradley scored a career-high 23 points as the Celtics beat down the Wizards. In the first quarter, Bradley scored 15 points—Washington had 12. The Wiz shot 35 percent from the field and made just 3 of 14 three-point attempts, while Boston never trailed and assisted on 24 of their 34 field goals. Kevin Garnett scored 21 points and while Rajon Rondo finished with more turnovers (6) than points (4), he ran the Celtics’ offense with ease even without Allen’s shooting, and he had 11 of those assists. Jordan Crawford led the Wizards in scoring with 20, but shot 8-18 from the floor. John Wall struggled with his shot, too, going 5-17 with 12 points and 9 assists.

Hawks 139, Jazz 133 (4OT)

You know what’s probably not fun on the third night of a back-to-back-to-back? Playing 4 overtimes. And yet the Hawks did just that, and eventually outlasted the Jazz for the epic win. It was the first 4-OT game in 15 years and ties the third-longest game in NBA history. Jazz coach Tyrone Corbin apparently didn’t care about that—he played all five of his starters 50+ minutes. The crazy box score is worth the click. Seven players on each side scored in double figures, with Joe Johnson’s 37 topping the list. Josh Smith added 22 points and 10 rebounds and Zaza Pachulia grabbed a career-high 20 rebounds to go with his 15 points as the Hawks won their fourth straight game. Al Jefferson (28 points, 17 rebounds) and Paul Millsap (25 and 13) both had big games for Utah before inevitably fouling out in the extended overtime periods. Perhaps the wildest part about this game’s result is that the Jazz had the final possession four straight times and yet couldn’t put the ball in the basket on any one of those occasions, dropping to 26-23 on the year.

Spurs 93, Sixers 76

Gregg Popovich is an evil genius. On the third night of a back-to-back-to-back, with Tim Duncan resting in street clothes, the Spurs whooped up on the Sixers—with a starting lineup of Parker-Blair-Leonard-Bonner-Green. Tony Parker scored 21 points, DeJuan Blair had 19 and San Antonio benefitted from 21 Philly turnovers. The Sixers made just 1 of 9 three-pointers and struggled to generate offense from anywhere on the court. Elton Brand’s 14 points were tops on the team, and Philly scored only 27 points in the entire second half, including a pitiful 11-point fourth quarter effort. Oh, and I found this bit from the AP recap of the game hilarious: The Spurs’ statisticians at the AT&T Center poked some fun at Duncan, listing his line in the official box score with a “DND — OLD.”

Thunder 103, Heat 87

The most popular NBA Finals pick finally has a reference point, as Oklahoma City took care of business on its home court in the first meeting with the Heat this season, riding 53 percent shooting and a near triple-double from Kevin Durant, who finished his night with 28 points, 9 rebounds and 8 assists. The Thunder had a season-high 13 steals and forced Miami into 21 turnovers, which led directly to 28 OKC points. On an off-night for Russ Westbrook (4-16, 13 points) Serge Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins provided the beef up front for the Thunder—Ibaka had 19 points on 8-10 shooting (and 10 boards) and Perkins scored a season-high 16. Miami’s Big 3 was headlined by Dwyane Wade’s 22 points, while Chris Bosh put up 18 points and LeBron James struggled his way to 17 points on 8-18 shooting to go with 7 assists and 4 turnovers. The Heat (35-12) pulled to within 8 midway through the fourth quarter before OKC made a final push, improving to 37-12 on the year.

Trail Blazers 90, Warriors 87

After a David Lee tip-in put the Warriors up 87-86 with 1:30 to play, LaMarcus Aldrige hit a turnaround 12-footer from the baseline with 40 seconds remaining to put Portland back in front, and Golden State’s offense sputtered on the game’s final two possessions. The Blazers—losers of 10 of 14 post-All-Star break—got the win behind 24 points and 7 assists from Raymond Felton and 18 points and 8 rebounds from Aldridge. Portland shot just 37 percent from the field (Jamal Crawford was 1-10 himself), but also had only 7 turnovers. David Lee racked up 16 points and 16 rebounds for GSW in the loss, and one night after rookie Klay Thompson dropped a career-high 31 points, a fellow rookie did the same. This time, it was Charles Jenkins, who scored 27 in a career-high 39 minutes—just his second career game in double figures.

Grizzlies 102, Lakers 96

The intrigue of a Gasol Bros. battle was quickly replaced with Laker drama, as L.A. fell victim to a revitalized Grizzlies team. Memphis snapped a 3-game losing streak on the last game of a four-game toad trip, handing the Lakers just their 4th loss at Staples Center despite 30 points from Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol’s 16 and 14. Even with the Laker bigs going crazy, the Grizz scored 52 points in the paint to just 36 for Los Angeles. Seven players scored in double figures for Memphis, led by Rudy Gay (18 points) and OJ Mayo (16 off the bench). In the final period, Kobe Bryant (7-15 shooting, 18 points) went hero mode, but Memphis held tough. With 5:45 left in the fourth quarter and the Lakers trailing 93-79, Mike Brown did the unthinkable—he pulled Kobe off the floor. Bryant was, shall we say, not pleased. He re-entered with 1:51 left and the Lakers down 98-91 after a pair of Pau Gasol free throws. Sadly for Los Angeles fans, he made a minimal impact, scoring zero points from there on out. To say Kobe was frustrated would be putting it lightly. The Lakers are at Golden State next before hosting the Thunder on TNT Thursday night.

Line of the Night: It’s crazy that Kevin Love’s 30 points and 21 rebounds will get overlooked because it’s become routine for him. KLove has been putting in work this year—he’s averaging 26 and 14 a game.

Moment of the Night: Joe Johnson didn’t care that it was a school night. He wanted to hoop.

Dunks of the Night: Kendrick Perkins dunks, sticks foot in DWade’s face. Consider it a metaphor for the game as a whole, as the Thunder got a big win over the Heat in OKC. Also, somebody should probably guard Shannon Brown.

Tonight: Nine games in all, highlighted by Nuggets-Bulls, Heat-Pacers and CP3′s second go-round against his former Hornets. Enjoy.

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  • Myung

    Quite a week for my Hawks. 5 games in 7 nights (including an OT game and last night’s 4 OT game). We’ve now won 4 in a row (barely lost to Boston on Monday). Just swept a back-to-back-to-back, including the crazy 4 OT win (game ball goes to Zaza last night). Won 6 of our last 7 games. Half game up on Indiana and 2.5 games up on Philly. 4th best record in the East. 7th team in the entire League to make it to 30 wins. Joe is grossly overpaid, but he has absolutely been clutch for us this week so he’s at least earning some of that contract lately. There’s a strong chance we’ll end up with the 4th best record in the East, but we’re still just #3 in our own division (behind Miami and Orlando). I hope we get Orlando in the first round (which means we need to let Indiana get #5 and we need to fall to #6). I don’t like our chances vs. Philly so I’d love to avoid them in Round 1; that’s one team that’s given us a lot of trouble the past few years. We still have a chance to move up to #3 and take Orlando’s spot, but more than likely, we’re NOT going to move up so I’d rather us move down and settle in at #6 at this point.

  • Myung

    There was so much future NBA talent at the GA Dome yesterday in just one college game. I mean, I’d much rather build an NBA team around Doron Lamb, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Anthony Davis, Terrence Jones, Darius Miller, Marquis Teague, Perry Jones III, Quincy Acy, Quincy Miller, and Pierre Jackson… than one with Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, Bismack Biyombo, DJ Augustin, Corey Maggette, Tyrus Thomas, and Reggie Williams. I honestly think a joint squad featuring Baylor and Kentucky players would beat the Bobcats in a best of 7 series.

  • Otis

    That was probably the best all-round game I’ve ever seen Durant play. He was absolutely everywhere on both ends of the floor.

  • FnF

    Perkins should have done the cabbage patch.

  • http://theillustrationboard.tumblr.com/ Stepfan

    It’s crazy that the Hawks always get the OT games. It was a very good game. I wish MAX (Joe Johnson) would play like this every night. If he did he would be in the upper echelon of players in the league; Lebron,KD,Wade,Rose,Kobe. Josh Smith has really improve and if he ever gets a more consistent mid range jumper he would be super scary. But the Hawks are Hawks. They will always be in the middle of the pack and will never contend. S/O to that contract that you gave to Joe MAX Johnson. Thunder with a huge statement game against the Heat. Was it me or did Lebron look timid out there? I really think the three early fouls on Westbrook helped him. It showed that he doesn’t have to jack shots just in order for his team to win. KD played a complete game and it showed that he’s just not a scorer but also a playmaker. But I truly believe if they are to win it they have to play defense like they played last night. This was the best the Thunder have played all season. S/O to Memphis complete game by the entire team. Kobe was pissed hahaha. Mike Brown…what balls to sit Kobe in the 4th for four minutes hahaha

  • Paul H

    51 points forcing OKC to double ot and 30 and 20 In a destruction of Denver. K-Love continues to make things very, very hard for those not on the bandwagon…..

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Pause the Perk dunk at 33 seconds…lol

  • Heals

    LAL and Bos fans how does “Fisher to Pekins” sound?

  • Heals

    I wanna watch the tourney, I really do, but I can’t. OKC v Minny, Hou v Dal, Atl v Ut, Kobe, LBJ, JoeJ, TimmyD, etc. This past weekend just had 10+ entertaining games easy, I don’t care how good the college kids are playing nothing tops NBA hoops like how it’s been lately…

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Pause the Perk dunk at 34 seconds…that sure gets your attention. Perk’s leg all up Wade’s back, and Wade’s left hand on Perk’s hip. LOL it almost looks NSFW.

  • http://postimage.org/image/f1fud1wiv/ IAMORANGE4EVER

    Click my name to see the screen shot of what I see.

  • http://slamonline Brion

    My Aunt in OKC is gonna get on my nerves after that Heat game.

  • riggs

    perk didnt even do it on purpose, and on the next possesion he runs backwards into wade too.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    Spurs will win this thing!!!

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    ugh… the heat….. let’s not talk about it.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    KD MVP

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yup because one game dictates MVP

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I am no prisoner of the moment, but KD for MVP gained serious momentum last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    lol @ Robin Lopez

  • startown

    Durant is the best player in the league, If I had one pick…any player

    I’d pick him

  • MUBWAR

    Durant is the best player in the league? After 1 game against the Heat. loool prisoners of moments. You think next time heat okc meet Perking and Ibaka would go a combine 16/21 for 35 points?

  • seun

    kevin durant is officially the mvp of the nba, Lebron’s been struggling as of late, and even though i don’t think he’s the best player in the league he deserves to be considered the mvp.

  • logues

    i love how nbk gets all worked up over someone simply saying “KD MVP”… 28 ppg, 8rpg, 50%fg, 85%ft, over a steal and block a game for the season.. second best record in the league, best in the west.. doesnt sound like just one game determined that

  • feez_22

    Its funny when people use STATS of all things to push KD as MVP over lebron. You honestly can’t be that stupid. If you use stats to promote KD as MVP all someone like NBK has to do is point out lebron’s stats and how he is having a season statistically wise that durant may take 2-3 more years to topple. You point out that lebron has wade dominating and people can just point out that westbrook is having his best season (not passing but everything else is way up). If you just like KD or you like that he beat lebron 1 on 1 for only the 2nd time in 9 total career games than fine. Don’t bring stats into this please because All I have to do is outline lebron’s stats: 26.8ppg, 8.3RPG, 53.7%fg, 76.FT, 2 steals and 0.8 blocks per game and that doesn’t even account for his 6.9 assists per game. Again… stat comparisons will get you nowhere promoting KD for MVP.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Worked up? Im just saying that’s a pretty absurd thing to say just after they play one another. Where is KD for MVP after the other night when he went for 40 and Westbrook had 45? Get the point?

  • MUBWAR

    Actually Feez as a huge Lebron fan, they are pretty similar this season
    KD 27.9 8.1r 3.6a 1.5s 1b .498
    LBJ 26.8 8.4r 6.9a 2s 0.9b .539

    very similar beside assists and fg %

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    So not very similar.

  • MUBWAR

    so nbk does D and locking up opposing team’s best player add something to those stats?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no but if they did they would be even less similar. Tell me Mub, if their scoring averages were were seperated by 5 points would they be “very similar” – especially at a 4% difference from the field?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Even though one game shouldn’t decide the MVP race, I think KD has over taken LeBron for the lead in the MVP race because LeBron hasn’t been playing up to his standards the past few weeks. I’m fine with that as long as people don’t use the “LeBron is playing with 2 all-stars arguement” against him because it’s not like KD is playing with a bunch of scrubs over there in OKC. That team is loaded.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    -Your being emotional nbk.
    -Who was it that was saying Kevin Love isn’t a top 3 PF again? Trying to remember who that was. I want to make fun of that person.
    From my perspective Durant is tied for MVP right now with Bron. It all comes down to how each team and player finish out the season. Durant will have his team as the top spot in the West by a margin, while Miami will be behind the Bulls for a 2nd seed. Top team in the conference has allot to do with MVP. Durant is having just as good a year other than defensively. Bron is the better defender, but that doesn’t always play into MVP either.
    -Weird how the Bulls win another game without Rose and the Lakers lose another game with Kobe shooting less than 18 field goals. That’s why you can’t pay to much attention to those little “fun facts.” They don’t add up.
    Great weekend for ball all around though! Loving the new look Lakers. Sessions is awesome. I didn’t realize how good he was. I remember someone saying Sessions isn’t a PG. LMAO… He’s not only a PG, but a very, very, good one.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That difference in assists and fg% is pretty big. We realize LeBron leads Miami in every statistical category except Blocks per game right?
    .
    Kevin Durant leads the Thunder in Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game.
    .
    I am not saying Durant isn’t clearly 2nd in the MVP pecking order and having a great great season, but what LeBron is doing this year is something that should be appreciated.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    yeah this is like the 2nd time KD has EVER beaten lebron. let’s not TOO excited… KD over LBJ is not a real argument. If you think it is your just letting your anti-lebron bias get too you.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and Kevin Durant is using more possessions a game to get his inferior stats. (and we haven’t even addressed the whole defensive aspect of basketball. which is half the sport.)

  • hugo

    I hate how passive lebron has been lately, he got outworked and out played last night. wtf is wrong with him???

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow, yup so emotional. look at me lash out at people and everything.
    .
    btw, where were you with your Kevin Love, love, after that Spurs game last week? It’s only when he Dominated a rookie, or David Lee that you are in here makin those little remarks. The best PF in the NBA doesn’t let a guy who just got a DNP-OLD, make them look uhm old and slow. Kevin Love is a top 3 offensive PF in the NBA. And by far the best rebounding 4 in the game. But he is so absolutely terrible defensively that it makes no sense to gloat about something that is purely your opinion.

  • MUBWAR

    sorry nbk i was on a lunch break but to answer your previous q. if the scoring is separated by 5points and 4%fg. NO. Lebron is only behind Dwight Chandler and Bynum in fg % last time I checked. (3 centers). If the heat and OKC have about the same winning % at the end of the day they’re is no way KD will take that award from Bron.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no stress Mub, my thing is we can talk about the things Kevin Durant does as well as LeBron all day, scoring & rebounding but that is not really enough to make a case that he is having a better season. That just doesn’t make any sense. Now if LeBron keeps playing like he has over the past week or two then yeah, at the end of the year we will be having a different conversation. But you can’t let one or two weeks change your perception on a whole, very long season.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, I was one of those guys that said that. Why is it that you’re always on here gloating about KLove after every great game he has but as soon as he plays a bad game, you’re quiet.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    2 weeks haven’t changed my perception, I still have both of them neck and neck in the race, I just feel that KD’s slightly ahead at this very moment due to LeBron’s struggles the past few weeks. We all know that one bad game or a two-week slump shouldn’t decide the MVP race but it sure seemed like that was the case (from a media standpoint) last night after the game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well if I went with the media I would be bipolar.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I mean when putting up, 17 and 13, against the greatest PF to ever play the game and it’s the worse game he’s had in the last 20, with other ones being 30,20′s and a 50,14 and that warrants his fans to have to defend him… Yeah, I think that certifies Love as arguably the best PF in the game, and a definite top 3. LOL… You know nothing of basketball if you think Love is not a top 3 PF right now.
    -I believe it was AllenP that was saying that he would take Marc Gasol over Bynum. I mean if your talking about personality or something I understand, but Bynum is so much better than Marc. Offensively he dominates the paint more so than any Center in the L right now. If he gets position your done with(if no double team comes). Gasol put up 8,6 and zero blocks to Bynums 30,4(don’t know why he was so awful on the boards last night) with 2 blocks. Bynum is the better player by far. Bynum is by far the 2nd best center in the L. He’s putting up the exact numbers I predicted he would this year also. Even if Bogut is healthy next year, Bynum is dominating more than Bogut ever did. DeMarcus Cousins is the only one looking to take his spot.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It’s not worth wasting time trying to explain things to you Lakeshow. If you can’t see that Kevin Love has bad games just like he has good ones then that’s a personal problem. Just look at his last 7 games,
    .25 Points 16 rebounds 0 blocks 0 steals in a loss against Utah on 9-23 from the field,
    .27 points 15 rebounds on 11 of 24 with 0 blocks and 1 steal in a loss to the Lakers,
    .21 points and 11 rebounds on 7 of 20 with 1 steal and 1 block in a loss against Sacramento,
    .36 points 16 rebounds on 13 of 23 with 0 blocks 0 steals in a win against Golden State,
    .17 points 12 rebounds on 5-13 with 0 blocks and 2 steals in a loss to San Antonio,
    .51 points 14 rebounds on 16 of 27 (in 49 minutes) with 1 steal and 1 block in a loss to OKC,
    .and then last nights game.
    - Doesn’t look like a very consistent “clearly” top 3 PF too me. Despite what you say.

  • feez_22

    besides, i think getting completely owned by durant in a 1 on 1 battle will push lebron to be better for the rest of the season. I’d rather see lebron fight a regular season slump than doing what he did today in the finals… which is what happened guys. The heat went into the playoffs winning like 21 of their last 24 games. Adversity will help this team gel going into the playoffs. Their post all-star record has been less than stellar and they are bound to rebound. The whole slump started when chris bosh left the team for a death in the family. I think the heat can get back to that 11 wins in a row by double digit streak mode soon enough. The thunder are great but if anyone thinks ibaka and perk will combine for 35 pts ever again you are fooling yourselves… It was a perfect storm for the thunder. well semi-perfect. Westbrook didn’t play well but the heat had their highest TO game, were dominated by 2 bigs that can’t really score, bosh looked like he couldn’t play D out there, harden was killing and durant completely owned lebron. Usually, lebron and durant play to a stand still, westbrook and wade battle it out and bosh is ok v. OKC. No need for overreactions or prisoner of the moment mentalities. 20 games to the playoffs. Teams can jump and fall easily.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Myung, you gotta think bigger. Getting the 6 seed and playing Orlando means playing Miami in the second round. We gotta hope for getting the 5 seed and beating Philly so that we can play Chicago. And that way, Orlando gets to play Miami in Round 2, and they match up better with Miami than any other East team.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You’re right but they are the ones that vote on the MVP.
    Lake, who do you think is better? A healthy ZBo or KLove? Remember ZBo is the same cat that scored at will against the best frontline in basketball whenever he got the ball last night.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    In Love’s defense, he’s been playing center for the last several games.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor my point about the Media is that they aren’t going to feel the same way they do today even tomorrow, let alone in a month

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    -That’s a tough one Taylor. Probably Z-Bo. I’m a big fan of his game. Either one could give you more than the other on any given night, but I do think K-Love is only going to become better and better. So I would obviously take Love as my PF going forward, but give me a healthy Z-Bo today over K-Love.
    -nbk, Think about the team that Love is surrounded by… Over those games he is averaging 30, 14, less than half a block and 1 steal. I mean I’d love for some bigger “Gambling stats”, but those definitely look like best PF in the game numbers to me. And for sure top 3.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He’s shooting over 20 shots a game. His scoring verge better be high. You can blame his teammates for his inefficiencies if you want, but this is your opinion. It doesn’t say anything about what we know about basketball to disagree with you. Sorry.

  • Heals

    I’m with ya nbk. I could already see ESPN and NBAtv starting the KD for MVP talking points yesterday…

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    I’m with lakeshow. I think a healthy zbo can produce more and be more consistent than a healthy love. Plus he’s a slightly better defender

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/business/media/for-martins-case-a-long-route-to-national-attention.html?_r=2&hp Allenp

    Those shooting numbers NBK posted were Iversonesque. That’s wild for a power forward. I always see the total points and rebounds, don’t typically check out the actual field goals attempted and made on Love.
    I would still take Gasol. That’s my personal preference. Bynum is stupid, he pouts, he’s injury prone and he’s a black hole.
    Gasol plays hard, does all the little things you need, rarely pouts and just seems like a great teammate. But, people can pick Bynum, I understand the selection.

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/business/media/for-martins-case-a-long-route-to-national-attention.html?_r=2&hp Allenp

    ZBo has never done what Love is doing.
    Let’s keep it real. If he could average 25 and 15 he would have done it.
    The main reason he won’t average that is because he doesn’t take 5 three pointers a game, and the doesn’t go as hard as Love on the glass. He goes hard, but not that hard.
    But, he’s a better isolation scorer. He’s pretty horrible on defense. Watch him in the pick and roll, it’s sad. I like ZBo and last year I had him over Love. This year, I don’t think so. But, I would like Zbo on my team because he gets bucket in isolation on damn near anybody.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I Would not take Zach Randolph over Kevin Love unless the only thing my team is missing is a “go-to” guy

  • MookieBlaylock

    KD killed it last night. My favorite player in the league to watch.
    I still have LBJ as the MVP, but obviously will be happy with either guy getting it.

  • Ash

    Love is overrated. He’s a selfish rebounder, puts up points on a garbage team, and isn’t really decent on defense. He’s a stat stuffer.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    That’s a fine position Allen. I like Gasol in allot of ways more than Bynum. Not just personally, but game wise also. He can do allot of things Bynum can’t. Bynum is just so dominant when he is rolling it is hard to take anyone over him. He is more of a physical force than even Dwight because of his size. He is not smart though, so that negates allot of the good he does. Marc might even help you win more, but Bynum to me is the better player due to his dominance in the paint.
    -It’s hard to say if Zach is going to be a 18+,12 guy again or if his run of 20,10 stat days is over. Love is definitely better going forward though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Kevin durant has never had a triple double before? Just goes to show how incomplete his game has been, he’s becoming more well-rounded though.

  • Myung

    what, if I’m thinking bigger, I think we should tank and get a lottery pick because either way, we’re not making it to the ECF. The fact is, we’ve played Miami and Chicago tough this year. I don’t think either of them will lose four games to us, BUT the flipside is, we’ve played some very impressive games vs. BOTH of them (and not just against CHI) and I don’t think the Hawks should be scared of either of them, even if we end up losing the series. Getting Horford back is a big key. I wonder if he’ll be ready by the postseason. I get what you’re saying, but you’re also assuming we make it past round 1. My scenario is strictly about making it out of round 1. If there’s one team we match up REALLY poorly against, it’s Philly. If you look at our record vs. them the past 2 or 3 years, they’ve really got our number (the same way ORL used to, before we started beating them pretty consistently the past year). I’d much rather take my chances vs. Orlando or Indiana, but the thing with Philly is, they’re pretty much locked into that 4 spot so if you end at 5, you’re getting Philly. Again, I get what you’re saying by saying you want to avoid Miami at all costs, but before we get carried away with Round 2 scenarios, we really need to, you know, make it out of the first round. I don’t think Philly is an amazing squad. I just think vs. Atlanta, they tend to look like world beaters.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would take a healthy Bynum just for what he provides defensively. On offense I would probably prefer Gasol because of his passing ability, but Bynum’s defense gives him the overall edge imo.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Give me ZBo over KLove regardless of the team’s makeup/situation. There are only a handful of guys in the L that command double teams on the block and ZBo is at the top of that list. That’s moe valuable to me than anything love brings to the table.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    JTaylor, Since you don’t like three pointers I don’t expect you to appreciate the floor spacing someone like Love provides being just as valuable as a double team. Carry on though haha.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, you’re funny character. So you’re telling me that having your PF 30 feet away from the basket, shooting 3s is just as valuable as having a PF that commands double teams on the low block? Come on dun son, don’t make me laugh.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And it’s not like Kevin Love plays on the perimeter. He is spacing the floor off of picks. Then his other 3pt attempts come from him trailing the play. It’s totally different then having like Kyle Korver or whoever

  • http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/business/media/for-martins-case-a-long-route-to-national-attention.html?_r=2&hp Allenp

    Kevin Love just plays pick and pop farther away from the basket than most fours. He’s not spotting up all game, and he still crashes the glass and he still shoots 8 free throws a game.
    The three pointer is a higher risk, but it’s also a higher reward. He’s shooting 40 percent. Tahts’ what knockdown shooters shoot.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Are all those things more valuable than ZBo’s ability to command doubles and score at will on the block?
    Do the Grizz have the same success they had last season with Love instead of ZBo?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Neither Kevin Love nor Zach Randolph make teams win. They put up great stats, in Love’s case great great stats. But they have proven they are just as likely to put up huge stats in a loss to the Hornets as they are to put up great stats in a win against the Heat. Throughout their careers they have had players who have a more obvious effect on their teams winning, despite them being the best players. I think that should say something. It does to me anyway.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    But I don’t think the Grizzlies would have been as potent with Love over Randolph last season, simply because Zach Randolph’s ability to score in isolation and when the game slows down is superior to Love.
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    If say we were talking about Chicago, I would rather have Love, no hesitation.

  • Heals

    It isn’t always the case, but KLo benefits greatly from the amount of mins he plays. Dirk can put monster #’s in just over 30mins, whereas KLo is gettin 40ish quite often…

  • ripslam

    Kevin Love is undoubtedly the best 4 in the league. I used to have my doubts, but it’s not even close anymore. LMA and Dirk are both great players in their own right, but Love is straight ridiculous.
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    Great win for the Thunder. For people saying that this game doesn’t mean anything, come on. It’s the two top contenders for MVP, going head-to-head. One played great, one played not so great. It’s not rocket science. KD is that dude.
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    FOUR OVERTIMES. That’s TWO regulation games. Lord. Joe Johnson played crazy, too.
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    Such a great night of basketball. This is why the lockout was a travesty.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Four overtimes is 20 minutes.

  • Ash

    Ripslam failed math

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I never said ZBo turns teams into winners, I just said that his ability to dominate on the low block is much more valuable than Love’s 3pt shooting.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No I don’t disagree with you, I was just saying that’s my observation of the two. I don’t think you could consider either of them “the best 4 in the league” until they are the catalyst to a team winning, for a whole season, and even a couple playoff games.

  • Paul H

    Love Is shooting 48% In March and Is now up to 45.5 on the season, along with 38 form 3 and 82 from the line. Dirk, widely touted the best shooting big man In the modern era, has a career average of 47.5. A few people mentioned that Love Is chucking up 19 shots a game for his 26 points, well between the 04-05 and 09-10 seasons Dirk never shot LESS than 18 a game and his best output was 26.6. Also whilst Love may have lacked a certain Efficiency at times this season I believe the fact that he gets to the line more than anyone not named Howard more than compensates. If he could maintain a 48/38/82 shooting line I would be very happy.

    And the guy Is still only 23. His growth over his first 4 seasons indicates a real work ethic and desire to get better.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Paul H, Take a bow.
    -Taylor, Who is more valuable/better Z-Bo or Dirk? Dirk plays around the elbow extended for most the game. But from your logic, Z-Bo is more valuable? Right? Do you think Z-Bo would’ve won the chip with the Mavs instead of Dirk? I don’t.
    -I think it’s BS to say these guys(Love, Z-Bo) don’t make you win. They are not as valuable as some to their teams, but I know for a fact the Timber Wolves are a much better team with Love than without him. Same with Z-Bo on the teams he’s played for.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, Dirk actually has a good post game (unlike your boy, KLove), is a superior mid-range shooter and adds more value to a team than Love.
    Also, Dirk is more valuable than ZBo because of all those things I pointed out and the fact he’s been the best player on one of the most consistent teams in NBA history for the past 10+ yrs.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You think it’s BS, ok. Well judging from their careers, it isn’t. I mean Kevin Love’s career is a little too short for me to come to that conclusion about him (even though the Wolves still lose to teams they are more talented then), but over Randolph’s career that is blatantly true. Even look at Memphis last season compared to this one, last year they had a win % of 56. This year it’s 55. So i guess a 1% deviation. Either way, the guys are great offensive players who are absolutely horrible defensively. Their impact on their teams is minimal, especially if you are arguing they are the best at their position. (This year Memphis is 8 points worse with Randolph on the court, Minnesota is 7 points better with Love. Given how bad Minnesota really is, that is not a very big impact from “the best 4 in the league right now”)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dirk is a good defender. idk if any of you actually realize or even believe that, but he is. So not only is he the reason Dallas’ offense is as good as it is, but he isn’t a net negative on the other end of the court, like Randolph and Love are.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    I think Love’s post and mid game Is vastly underrated, and It’s not as If It didn’t take Dirk a solid 6-7 seasons to really develop those two aspects of his game into the deadly arsenal he has now. All I was trying to point out Is the similarity In the numbers. I wouldn’t go all out and claim Love as the all out best PF In the game, but only someone who A) Has not really watched the man on a regular basis B) Can stone wall blank the cold hard facts and stats or C) Just flat dislikes the guy would make the, quite frankly ludicrous, statement that he Is not top 3 right now.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk, I actually think Dirk is an average-to-terrible defender and has always been. He lacks the foot speed, strength and reaction time needed to be a good defender. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a better defender than either Love or ZBo but he’s not a good defender.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I no longer think that CB and LA are better than KLove given their recent struggles but I still have Dirk, PGasol and JSmith above him, therefore making him the 4th best PF.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I just choked on my delicious late lunch from Ichi Ban Teriyaki. Whhhaaaaaat Taylor? LoL. You got Josh Smith as your 3rd best Power Forward? I mean I like the idea cause I like his game, but holy smokes he is not the 3rd best PF… Reasoning?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He’s not a bad defender. Despite his physical flaws. Atleast he isn’t in terms of how well he does against other players. Being a legit 7’0″ makes up for a lot of his problems.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    Josh Smith? Jesus mate. A man averaging 8 points, and 4 rebounds less, shooting a worse fg%, who cant hit a free throw to save his LIFE and has perennially underachieved on a team stuck in groundhog day Is better than K-Love. I LIKE Josh but very few players have consistently infuriated me by there inability to maximize there potential. K-Love Is essentially his antithesis. Josh is a better defender (tho I think his D stats are padded through gambling) and passer. If you had to have one of the two to win you a ball game you would be stone wall nuts to pick Josh over K-Love.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That’s all that needs to be said as to why I have JSmith above Love.
    Also, how many games and playoff series have Love’s teams won? Thank you, I rest my case.

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    How are you a “selfish rebounder”? Is that really a negative thing?

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    Kevin Love was In a starting lineup with DARKO last year. He has not had the teamates. The Wolves are still only 2 1/2 games out of the west race and would have been at least a 6 or seven seed had Rubio not went down. Love has proven this season that he can preform well and hit big shots In big games. Mark my words he will tear It up when he finally gets to the dance. And Smiths D In no way counterbalances Love ‘s VAST superiority In other areas. No way.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Anyone care to take a guess what 41-91 means? That’s the Wolves record ever since KLove became a full-fledged starter. That’s horrible for someone that’s supposed to be the best PF.
    We should really stop with all the praising of teams like the Wolves and Knicks that can’t even break the .500 threshold.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    It’s only this year that Love has been In the conversation and the first year he has had decent teammates. What would your opinion have been had the Wolves finished say 4 games above .500 and well In the thick of the West playoffs (which would have been quite comfortable had they kept up the 18-13 pace they had with Rubio In the starting lineup). NOBODY does It without decent teammates. You think any of the other top PF’s would have done better with that abysmal team Love had the last 3 seasons? The T-wolves are NOT the Knicks.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Wow, we got Taylor with the “Kobe has more rings so he’s better than LeBron today” argument for why Love isn’t a top 3 PF.
    -Taylor tell me who the 2nd and 3rd best player on the T-Wolves was during that time. Go ahead, I wanna hear which All Stars he had to help him win those measly 41 games.
    Taylor you think that Smiths D is so good, that he is overall better than Kevin Love? The guy who hit 5, 3 pointers in a row and had 51 points a couple nights ago. The guy who has more 30,20 games than the rest of the NBA combined? The All Star who won the 3 point shoot out and is the best rebounder per size (maybe overall) in the L? Smith is better than him?… Wow, you really hate 3 pointers don’t you? lol…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    When cats like ZBo (in Por) and Bosh (in TOR) were putting up monster numbers on bad teams, everyone was giving them the “he puts up numbers on bad teams” routine and never heaped on them the kind of praises and “best PF” talk they are currently heaping on Love.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    Boshs best season was 24 and 10.7, those numbers pale In comparison to the numbers Love has been putting up this season. And again the T-wolves would have made the playoffs and been a difficult out had Rubio not went down IMO. Next season this will barely be a debate.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No one put up the numbers Love puts up Taylor. Like few men in history have. Those are the kinds of numbers Love puts up. I agree that you need to prove you can win, but you need to prove you can win with talent not with nobody. We can’t expect LeBron James like effect on teams in everybody.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Both of y’all have valid points but when I watch the Wolves play, Love just doesn’t have the kind of impact on a game the way the supposed best player at his position should.

  • http://sdjfklfl.com Jukai

    Sorry, right now I’m positive Love has played like the best power forward in the game this season.
    I think Dirk and Pau are ‘better’ but they haven’t played like it.
    Bosh isn’t in a position to play big behind Lebron and Wade.
    There is literally no argument to pick ZBo (slightly better scorer, worse rebounder, worse passer, actually is just as bad defensively).
    I used to think Aldridge was better but I don’t agree anymore. Love is a better scorer.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    The argument comes down to something subjective: impact. There are some players whose impact on a game stretches well beyond the box score (Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, Jason Terry, Andre Iguodala, etc) and some whose numbers look nicer than what they actually brought to the court (Kevin Martin, Tyreke Evans, Carlos Boozer, Andrea Bargnani, etc). Having watched a good chuck of Wolves games this year, Love falls closer to that second camp than the first one. That’s not to say that he doesn’t impact the game more than, say, Jason Terry (he does), it’s that his contributions are less than the numbers say. I have no problem with KLove in the top 3 PF, but I can’t instantly place him at the apex of the power forward pedestal.

  • Justin G.

    Caboose got to it before I could. The impact the player has on a game is just as important as the stats. Chris Bosh’s numbers may supposedly pale in comparison but the impact he had on those Raptors teams was obvious. Would Love have been able to change a game the way Bosh did with those horrible Raptors teams? Highly doubtful. I wish the Heat would actually go to Bosh more, especially when either Wade or Lebron are struggling. He really is the X factor on that team and the reasons why I have him over Love is simply defense and impact. Too much emphasis is being put on offensive numbers and not all around game

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