Friday, March 16th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  185 responses

The End of Linsanity in New York

by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

I suppose that one could make the argument that the Linsanity phenomenon ended when Carmelo Anthony rejoined the New York Knicks’ lineup earlier this month, but now that Mike Woodson has replaced Mike D’Antoni on the bench, Jeremy Lin’s days of being the team’s offensive catalyst are a thing of the past.

Woodson announced the death knell of Linsanity in comments to reporters about the new system he will put in place, one that will see Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire getting the lion’s share of touches and shots.

From SLAM contributor Jake Appleman, writing for the NY Times:

Woodson ran his first practice and began to make it clear to his players that this is now his team, at least for the rest of the season, and not Mike D’Antoni’s. That almost certainly means it will be a Knicks team that will slow things down on offense and run an isolation-heavy system more suited to Carmelo Anthony’s ball-dominating inclinations. “It’s everybody’s ball club,” Woodson said after practice Thursday, when he was asked if the Knicks were once again Anthony’s team, as they were before Jeremy Lin briefly took over. “I want everybody to feel comfortable. When I put a guy in the game, if he’s got a shot, I want him to feel comfortable about making that shot.”

But then he spoke more bluntly, saying that he wanted everybody to know that when “I’ve got to get a big shot, I’m going to go to Melo and Amar’e and guys that have done it,” a reference to Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire. “A lot of these guys are young,” Woodson said in reference to their teammates. “They’re still trying to figure it out.”

Jeremy Lin momentarily appeared to have saved the Knicks’ season, leading them at one point to seven straight electrifying wins. But then Carmelo Anthony returned from injury, and it all went to hell during a nightmarish six-game losing streak, leading to the resignation of Mike D’Antoni.

Sad as this may be not just for Knicks fans, but for anyone who had fallen in love with the unbelievable-yet-true Jeremy Lin story, this is the way things were always supposed to be in New York. Team owner James Dolan didn’t gut the roster to acquire ‘Melo and STAT just to have them play second-fiddle to anyone else.

The Knicks will only go as far as Amar’e, Carmelo and Mike Woodson take them — frightening a thought as that may be for their fans.

Linsanity is dead; long live Linsanity.

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  • smoove

    REAL coaches utilize their superstars

  • MarcW

    Hmm.. Just after the trade deadline too. Otherwise we could start the free Jeremy Lin chants.. Lol

  • Justin G.

    You know, to me this is a joke. You mean to tell me the coach and the front office want their team to change what was a winning formula to make the highest paid players on the team happy? Isn’t everyone happier when their team is winning? Apparently not Carmelo and Amare. All they care about are their numbers. Reminds me of a line from White Men Can’t Jump. “You’d rather look good and lose then look bad and win.” How true. I’m starting to actually feel bad for Knicks fans

  • bull22

    what a freaking shame, as much as i cant stand this organization but they should have let jeremy lin run this team the rest of season. we all saw the result of melo and stoudemire in last year’s playoffs. james dolan is a buffoon, trading away an entire for some loser that blames others for his failures.

  • Mike From Spain

    Trade Melo before he ruins next season too

  • Justin G.

    No, REAL coaches utilize what’s working

  • Paul H

    Melo and the Knicks snatch the title of the Leagues most irritating post-deadline Drama. Some part of me still wants this to work out (because I do like Melo and a lot of the team) but damn they have been making It hard. Carmelo had better hope the team starts winning or things will get post-apocalyptic messy down at the Garden

  • http://pick-and-pop.com Tripset30

    Because the iso-heavy offense worked so well in Atlanta, right?

  • Justin G.

    No kidding Paul. I don’t even want to imagine how those fans are going to react if the team keeps losing or don’t make the playoffs. It could get real ugly

  • Marc

    So I’m reading the comments and you guys are basically saying Lin is better then Melo and Amare? Lol

  • Paul H

    @ Marc No I think people are saying that a free flowing and unselfish offense Is better than a stunted, ego-centric offense. If Melo and Amare were the stars they have long been built up to be they would have the capacity to evolve and adapt. Based on recent evidence, they don’t.

  • salty

    His offense in Atlanta wasn’t uber-impressive, but then again the Knicks have to try something new. They are embarrassing themselves out there.

  • http://slamonline Jimbo

    Cosign @Paul h

  • http://dfjklf.com Jukai

    Jeremy Lin and a fast-break motion offense is what worked when Carmelo wasn’t there. A slow, isolation offense is what works when Anthony is there. Truth be told, I think the effectiveness of both are just about the same and the end result will just about be the same.
    Jeremy Lin will still start and will still make the occasional highlight shot or highlight pass. He’s not being kicked out of the NBA. I can’t even believe this sensationalist journalism is the main article on the website.

  • Honduran

    @salty EXACTLY what I was thinking. There were games where the Knicks just looked plain horrible. Something new should be good for them and the team. But at the end of the day, I say get rid of A’MARE!!!

  • salty

    Haha Jukai “sensationalist” is the perfect word for it. The title alone is ridiculous. Lin is a young guy, even if his role did diminish this year it’s no big deal. He’ll be fine.

  • Niio

    It’s hard to say how I feel about this whole thing. Yes it was amazing to see Lin electrify the NBA but he isn’t Steve Nash and they don’t have the spot up shooters that PHX had. I’m glad Mike D is gone because he brought a system to a team that did not match the strength of his players and tried to make it work. It didn’t, I’m sorry but 7 wins in a row just isn’t what I call working. When he did it in PHX for 3-4 seasons of 55+ wins, yes that worked. With Mike D gone we can finally see with no excuses if this was all Melo or Amare all along.

  • Riggs

    pretty sure atlanta never had players like Stat and Melo though, just saying.

  • ClydeTheGlide

    Yawn, can’t be bothered watching Melo hog the ball for 48.

    I know MSG will probably always have its seats filled but does anyone remember the amount of empty seats there were in ATL when Mike Woodson ran his Iso-Heavy offense? Watching someone revert to running the clock down and launching up a shot isn’t something I think most fans are too keen on unless the player taking the shots name is Kobe Bryant.

  • http://onthacorner.com/forum Kevin

    Well it was a good story while it lasted

  • arthur

    Great headline by Appleman for the Times piece.

  • RunNGun

    Hard to rip on D’Antoni and Walsh when in the first season, he didn’t have the players. Second season, they made the playoffs. Then when Melo trade happened, they gave up too much for a player that didn’t fit the system (a system that worked by the way w/o Melo). After the trade, they had more of a losing record. Blame should be on Dolan, Zeke, and Melo.

  • JD

    @Smoove Amare Stoudemire is not a superstar.

  • cru_thik305

    this is exactly why i dont like linsanity, you guys hype it up too much to realize that it was more of a fluke than a coming out party. smh, im glad woodson has enough sense to put the ball in his best player’s hands, and not a unproven second year player coming off freaking 7 good games.

  • ClydeSays

    As a businessman, you’d think Dolan would want the previous month’s success to continue. Forbes reported than “Linsanity” helped MSG pull in over 150 MILLION in increased revenue. Since they pushed D’Antoni out, the MSG stock fell 3.5%. The idea that Dolan needs to cater to his highest paid player is bs. To soothe his own ego, Dolan is just trying to justify the trade he forced on the franchise.

  • Ben

    @cru-thik305 – this is the nba .. flukes happen for 2-3 games not 7. let’s see what the knicks do the rest of the year .. blazers mean nothing.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    I was one of many to say Lin’s emergence was a fluke but I stand corrected. Putting his turnovers aside he was perfect for D’Antoni’s system. I’m sorry I gotta blame management for putting together a bunch of random players that don’t really compliment each other’s games. I really think when Amare first got there they would have been better still adding Baron, Novak and JR.

  • j



    1st game without D’Antoni: 42 POINT KNICKS WIN. Swallow it.

  • kenbo

    Lin for chris paul since he’s that good…sheesh i thought he avg 8 turnovers a game

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Jukai, how well has a “melo-centric” offense worked since he’s been in NY? The Knicks are 26-37 with Melo in the lineup, does that sound like something that works to you?

  • jono

    If Lin can hit the open 3 at over 40 percent, he’d be a Knicks for a long time. His TO rate was so high as a byproduct of the old system, I’d def expect it to change.

  • Carol

    Ugh! Well, the Knicks were fun for a little while. I guess with this guy in charge I can go back to ignoring them. Good thing baseball’s almost here.

  • RunNGun

    @ORANGE: against a lowly Blazers team… LOL

  • Paul H

    @AngentOrange, once the adrenaline kick wears off and the Knicks are getting stomped on the regular, that 42 point win will seem like a distant memory. Once again why does It have to be either or, either a Lin or a Melo-centric offense, Basketball Is a team game right? As JTaylor says that record with ‘Melo at the Helm STINKS. A Knicks offense predicated on getting that man the ball every damn time he wants It WILL NOT WORK. Everyone kept saying “Oh but he Is not getting the ball where he needs It to be effective”, Wasn’t there a time when ‘Melo was being touted as the most versatile and dynamic scorer In the league? The truly great scorers, and players, adapt and are effective all over the floor.

  • surety

    Sad case of management posturing. Incidentally, Dolan wants Carmelo to do well since he made the big move of gutting the team to get him. With Melo struggling in the old system and Lin exploding, it went completely against what Dolan envisioned. He was made to look like a fool. With this move, getting rid of D’Antoni and promoting Woodsen, he at least gets a chance to save his face. Poor Knicks fans…

  • surety

    And one big LOL at ‘guys that have done it’. The only thing Melo has done for the Knicks recently is lead them to a losing record. Woodson is just Dolan’s puppet.


    JTaylor, keep spitting that record out when the Knicks are winning again. Beeeeeeyotch.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    ^Ooooh no you didn’t!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    We need cats like Paul H to stick around and become regulars on Slam. Proposed trade, Orange for Paul H.

  • RunNGun

    ^Make it happen, Melo/Dolan/Zeke!

  • kareemaj27

    Thank God..

  • LA Huey

    Washington Redskins of the NBA.

  • Paul H

    @JTaylor, I’m not so sure AgentOrange would go that quietly, but we will try and swing something!

  • startown

    Lin had a nice run, but anyone who has watched their share of NBA games or college games for that matter, could tell that he was playing well, and he took the opponent a bit by surprise. Then the opponents got better and figured out what they had to do to stop him and the “story” subsided. I think the NBA should recognize him as a “good” player that has exceeded his free agent status and made a team and helped a team win.
    He does not have the talent to be a perennial all star or be compared to
    star point guards, that is just not what the “story” should be.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Really? Amare Stoudemire thrives off of a slow half-court offense with no ball movement and pure isolation? Lol???
    This only benefits Carmelo Anthony–NO ONE ELSE on this team, and not the team itself because Melo has been playing like sh!t and the Knicks haven’t been winning sh!t since Melo joined the team. I’ve been a fan of Anthony for a while but this is ridiculous. The Knicks would have been better without him. Yeah I said it.

  • abaci

    Maybe they will put Lin on the back burner long enough that he can go to another team more suited for his skills

  • vtrobot

    Cool. The Knicks are going to suck again. Life is back to normal. Linsanity was so out of control. Before JEREMY EFFING LIN, who was the last person to get back-to-back SI covers? Not that he didn’t deserve some of it, and not that it’s his fault at all, but that was pretty much a never before seen level of hyping.

  • surety

    Knicks aren’t making the playoffs this year. Like Teddy said, this benefits really no one but Carmelo. The high team morale and spirited play that captivated the basketball world just weeks ago is a thing of the past.

  • eZ

    In defense of amare: When he came to the garden he single handedly revived the ball club and was a legitimate mvp candidate. Pretty soon the knicks were at and above .500 and playing winning ball. That team played well together and was fun to watch. Then carmello came and Stoudemire’s play and numbers went down and the team could barely play .500 ball.
    This year amare came back in the middle of the lin-winning streak. He loved it, fit in and with him they won another 3-4 games?
    The win streak and enthousiasm died when mello came back. True fact. They really should’ve traded him for D-will.

  • http://slamonline Brion

    How about McMillan to New York? Eh?

  • FLIGHT 9

    After 10 games i think knicks fans want to bring d antoni back…. Yes, including me.. Sorry mike about my comments earlier..

  • Paul H

    I wonder what ‘Melo’s trade value even Is right now…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    LA Huey got it right. That was funny.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    And Paul H, are you who I think you are??

  • Paul H

    That depends who do you think I am?!

  • anonymous

    @startown cosign. ppl have gotten too caught up in the hype. NY didnt gut their team for melo and stat just to have them play 2nd and 3rd options to a guy who “Blitzkrieged” 7 teams in the mediocre to horrible ranges – mostly horrible. He seems like he`ll be a nice player but certainly never ever a #1 option.


    You’re delusional if you think having Mike Woodson as coach only benefits Melo. Did you see the Knicks play the Blazers last Wednesday night? Both Melo and Stat played well. Stat played magnificent, shooting 8-10 from the field in about 25 minutes of play for 17 pts and 8 reb. Melo shot 6-12 from the field in about the same time as Stat (25 min) for 16 pts 7 dimes <–So selfish? 2 reb to go with a steal. Oh and Teddy, perhaps the Knicks would be better off without fans like you. Yeah I said it. *rolls eyes*

  • Jerome

    STAT had 2 rebs … wow. Blazers will make the playoffs. Knicles will not. Swallow it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Bl3GRdULQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player 1982

    Linsanity the phenomenon died when they met the Miami Heat. Jeremy Lin isn’t Linsanity. He’s a young kid with a great future in the works if he develops right. He’s not a 25ppg 11assists guy on the regular. That was his coming out party. It stopped when other pg’s took it personally that he was annointed Point God in the middle, not the end, of a 7 game win streak. If you’re a basketball fan, support his growth. If you’re just someone who watches Lin highlights on youtube, stop acting like you’ve been a fan since he was on the bench. If Sessions led the Lakers on points and assists for 7 games, they wouldnt hand him the keys to the locker room. This should have happened. Not the coaching change, but the change in offensive focus.


    Jerome…STAT had 8 rebounds, and the “selfish” Melo had 7 dimes…one more than the great Jeremy Lin. Open up now, and SWALLOW IT WITH A SMILE. YOU’RE WELCOME.

  • ab40

    amare’s game is based on athleticism and his is declining. He can’t go insided anymore because Chandler is posted on the block now a days and he isn’t the smart and willing passer shaq was when they played toghether so amare is stuck on the outside. Melo likes to post up as well but he’s the third option there. Smith likes to chuck up shots, so do Shumpert and Douglas. This team is going to be as good as their ball movement and since that will be non existent I predict either a first round sweep or not making the playoffs again.

  • Backboard

    i dont care about the Knicks either way – they win, they lose, they make the Playoffs or they dont. whatever they do, they wont be Champion any Time soon. One thing i would like to say though: Orange, you have Easily become the Most ridiculous and ignorant commentor on this Site. now, if you just want to troll than Thats Fine. but if you want to be taken seriously you might want to change your Attitude, just saying. Even jtaylor Turned into a respectable Person on here – take notes…

  • Paul H

    Co-sign Blackboard, Orange you sound like a five year old who has stumbled onto his dads computer sometimes

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Yea JTaylor used to be like that not as bad though. Orange has moments where he is pretty insightful so I think him being a troll is still up for judgement.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    Only the trainwreck that is the New York Knicks could take the best, most inspiring, most popular story to come out of the NBA this year…and completely destroy it.


    Paul H, please stop acting like a 5 year old behind your dad’s IPAD. @Blackboard I don’t take notes here…but you might want to keep taking them. ;)


    @M Cho sorry to see you’re so disappointed after a 42 point win sans Pringles. lol

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Haha, forgot Taylor use to troll on here. I probably did a little also when I first came here.
    Orange who’s more athletic, Baron Davis, or Iman Shumpert? I wanna say Shumpert, but he can’t pass as well as B-Diddy… Any inside info from the athlete/Knicks expert?

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Lol @Lakeshow


    LMAO…I’m going to say B-Diddy’s beard makes him more athletic. Next question!

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    @Orange…we both know where this team is going under Woodson. 1 blowout against a demoralized blazers team on the verge of firing their coach doesn’t mean much.

  • salty

    Orange, you are unflappable.

  • Mas

    Thw Knicks just committed Seppuku. Look it up.

  • DominiqueH

    ain’t no way in hell he could garner that many assist and points and still be garbage in any system


    Thank you salty.

  • bull22

    come on @orange, the FAIL BLAZERS, LOL. back to back wins against the pacers is a start, but knicks are a long way from being contenders if ever with
    woodson’s iso-ball. the knicks so far are in the lead for “NBA FAILURES OF THE YEAR AWARD”. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!! Orange vs bull22 Round 1!

  • Paul H

    The Wizards hung 120 points on the Blazers recently Orange, they going to be taking It to the League soon to?

  • shm

    Linsanity ended a minute ago…

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    Stat needs to do like Ewing and develop a fade-way cause God knows his knees aren’t going to let him dunk by the time his contract is up. It was a matter of time before Lin went to the bench either this season or next. Melo, I don’t even know where to start with son…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If anyone believes the Knicks ran a new offense not even 12 hours after D’Antoni was out as coach (game against Portlad) you are stupid. Yes. Stupid.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    C’mon Lake don’t start the unstoppable. Once they start there will be no end lol two guys that are some of the most loyal a$$ team fans not to mention those teams are the Knicks and Bulls?!

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    @ NBK, you actually right. That offense was MIGHTY similar to D’Antoni’s except that this time Melo actually stood on the wing and waited for the ball to be passed to him instead of running into the paint. Tonight we’ll see what Woodson’s offense looks like.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I know I’m right I watched that game (one of the few opportunities I’ve had to watch a non-nationally televised Knicks game), and Orange keeps going on and on about it, like a retard at the special Olympics who thinks his gold medal actually makes him a world class athlete. I honestly do not care if this is offensive, to believe such stupidity to be true is insulting to intelligent basketball fans.

  • bull22

    @lakeshow, no is fighting mon, its just friendly banter. in the end its just a game moron! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Not trying to be rude to you O, but man I am sick of blatant stupidity from Orange. It’s ridiculous.


    O, the Knicks offense in the first half went mostly through Melo and Amar’e. It was not speedball offense.

  • bull22

    and there we go again with nbk’s mr spock commentary, rather dullish.
    you and lakeshow are probably some of those losers on this site that will blog as different users.


    nbk, you didn’t watch the Blazers at Knicks game. It’s so obvious. LOL

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Go ahead bull, you right, everyone would much rather here your perspective on basketball then mine.

  • Ty

    If Melo didn’t have his groin injury, Jeremy would never have his chance.
    If Linsanity was not real, Knicks would never win seven games in a roll.
    If Melo were benched by D’Antoni, would the Linsanity continue?
    If Jeremy is taken out of the picture, will Melo lead the Knicks to success?
    Well, Linsanity has created so much positiveness and money for the Knicks, so Dolan can continue to show off his $18M Mashmelo.
    It is time to start watching NCAA games and forget about Knicks.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sure I didn’t Orange. The Knicks must have crawled up and down the court, I mean they did score 121 points, and 38 of their 80 shot attempts were 3′s. You are a genius.


    hear your perspective > here your perspective

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If you want to get all smart it’s “read your perspective”

  • Mas


  • Paul H

    Orange really has a habit of dragging a discussion away from the factual, rational and sensible Into the realm of the playground.

  • Heals

    Cool now I can just watch him play ball, enjoy the story and not have to put up with the hyperbole on every play he makes. Shame on all the leeches who sucked the story dry and then ditched him when Linality set in about his ability/performance…


    I’m talking first half nbk. The Knicks offense went through Melo and Amar’e. Playing that way along with solid defense gave the Knicks a 26 point halftime lead over the Blazers. Melo and Amar‘e played about 25 minutes each and played almost entirely in the first half. The second half against the Blazers belonged to the second unit that got hot (16-30) from behind the arc…J.R. and Novakaine alone torched the Blazers for 13 three pointers on 24 attempts. HOWEVER, I can’t wait to see more Woody Ball against those pesky Pacers tonight. I love watching the offense run through Melo and Amar’e. ISO ISO BABY!

  • Bishop

    As much as it is about skill winning basketball is also about confidence. What we saw when they losing started (and Melo returned) was that fire that Lin played with during his breakout started to wane. I dont want him to lose that because it was truly electrifying.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The offense went successfully through Melo because he finally did what he was supposed to in their offense, he didn’t float to the middle and clog the teams spacing. It was still The same offense, it just featured 2 happy star players.
    D’Antoni decided to step down Wednesday, shocking his bosses and players. But the Knicks delivered a powerful performance and a good imitation of his offense in their first game under interim coach Mike Woodson, getting 23 points from J.R. Smith, 20 from Steve Novak, and making a season-high 19 3-pointers, one off the franchise record.

    - that’s ESPN’s summary of the game.
    And if you have ever played competitive basketball in your life you know a team doesnt change their offense without practicing the new sets.
    I’m done responding to you today, if people want to believe the Knicks changed their offense in one day fine, choose to be dumb.


    Paul H sure is doing his best to bait me today. I have no idea who he or she is though. Hopefully it’s not someone using alternate IDs with the intention of creating problems. Trolling includes, but isn’t limited to, baiting people to flame at you, encouraging people to leave the site. Wow! lol :)

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    @nbk, Man, I love Orange (pause) cause he’s that Knicks fan that’s been missing since Ewing got traded. Just always trying to be positive even if it made him seem like a Knicks cult leader. Orange is my dude. I’m a Knicks fan that when we sucked under Don Nelson, Brown, Wilkens and Thomas, I always said we sucked, but i’d watch every single game cause that’s my team. But i’ll be the first to say, the Knicks are a box of chocolates, Dolan is Forrest Gump, Isiah Thomas is Jenny and Mike D’Antoni is Lt. Dan with his legs cut off…

  • smoove

    @justin G..linsanity stop working loooong time ago..he has a scouting report on him now, defenses are hip..hence the reason he looks like the kid from harvard again…

  • bull22

    @orange, i hear ya on the alternate id’s. i find it hilarious and amusing as to how some those weird losers come out of no where to attack you or another regular on this site whose opinion is not in agreement with theirs, LOL.
    makes me laugh everytime, but seriously your knicks going no where this year.
    lin was you chance at least to make it to 6th seed and avoid chicago or miami.


    Dear O, I’m not some ultra positive fan! This is just “our” year man! ;)


    @bull22 I agree with you right up to the point you start discussing hoops. I hope we (Knicks) get to face off against you (Bulls) in round one or two. Yes we’ll be in the second round silly.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    LOL. Aight, Orange. I’ll ride with you, b…

  • Paul H

    @Orange I have aimed two comments to highlight the immature and irrational nature of your comments 80% of the time. Which I am sure many on the site would agree with. I understand you are a massive Knicks fan but the constant stream of idiotic and baseless attacks on those with opposing points of view Is tiresome.


    Paul H, you do realize, you’re being a troll right now right? lol


    “aimed two comments” LMAO at that.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    Man, i’m not big on social media terms and some chick called me a troll the other day. I was like, “b*tch look in the mirror! You look like Bret The Hitman Hart.”

  • Paul H

    I have posted two comments aimed at you, and SEVERAL others on this article and others about BASKETBALL you moron.

  • Lydia H.

    As a Spurs fan, there are many aspects to Lin’s game that I really love(particularly his competitiveness and selflessness, plus he’s cute;). I see him as having a lot a lot of potential, particularly due to his willingness to learn and work hard. He’s just one of those players that may take him a couple of years to fully develop (not that he will be like TP, but it did take TP a few years to develop). I just don’t think his talent can be maximized under the Knicks organization. He needs a more stable organization.

    Also, watching the Knicks these past two weeks has reminded me why I LOVE the whole Spurs organization: Holt, Popovich, Duncan, Manu, and Tony. Their discipline and professionalism are bar none.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Definitely not the Paul H I thought you were. Sorry man haha

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Moose did you think he was Paul Heyman?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Remember when people used to think Melo might be better than LeBron.

  • Jono

    I lost all interest in the Knicks. Let’s go Nuggets!!!

  • Paul H

    @Moose I’m from Ireland mate so unless you know a Paul H from that neck of the woods!


    Allenp how many rings does LeBron have right now?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Melo use to be better than Bron offensively. He isn’t anymore. Bron use to not be a great defender. He is now. Sooo… Yeah they had a point. Now they don’t.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    irrational fans are the best and worst thing about sports

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    They are the best thing for stadiums. The worst thing for discussions.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Melo has never been a better NBA player then LeBron. He was a better scorer, that’s it though

  • bull22

    @lydia, yep lin will never be to develop under this knick mess. especially after what woodson,amare and carmelo said about it being about those who have been doing it forever like amare and melo (not winning a title for starters)
    i guess an 8-2 record and monster games against the mavs and lakers don’t
    count. knick brass is a bunch of idiots.

  • jimmer

    Carmelo will settle up nicely next to Tmac in about 4 or 5 years, averaging 6 points a game and talking about his hall of fame career. Except he is nowhere near the athlete so he hasn’t even been fun to watch. He’s just not gonna be a guy that leaves much to talk about when he’s gone. Other than this mess. And the forhead slapping ‘yeah, him and Lebron, we had them level coming in. Really?? Am I remembering that right??’

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    i’m a big Lin fan, but people need to understand he was the CATALYST of the win streak and NOT the sole reason. he was instrumental in directing the offense, but i think just as importantly, he inspired the rest of the team to play as a very cohesive unit, especially on defense.
    my point is, Lin isn’t a star player to run the offense through for the team; it really should be melo and amare. however, basketball is a team game, so it shouldn’t be either melo or lin. it only makes sense when a team work together to achieve success.

  • Jerome

    23 games left Orange. Knicks will win 8-10 max.

  • Jerome

    Woodson is going with Lin, but it won’t make much difference … sticking with the 8-10 wins call. Melo makes those around him worse.

  • Iggie87

    What makes melo now different from Paul Pierce of 2005? Why is ok for Linsanity to beat a bunch of sub 500 teams but when a Melo lead Knicks Yeam win big people say oh it just Portland? Almost every star player in the league play iso ball. It smart you force teams to double you then you swing it to the open man. I can think of 2 star players who really move with out the ball. Thats Ray allen and Rip Hamilton. Everyone else (kobe bron wade dirk KD) all play iso ball. Dantoni system did not work in PHX cause they could not even get to the finals. This is a good thing.

  • http://www.tampax.com DYWM

    Coach and the GM are not happy with winning when it happens organically in an exciting way that serves the game and showcases the greatest things about basketball. They don’t care about the Cinderella stories and amazing underdog runs that are possible in this game in a way like no other. They have a business to run – they have to win in a way that suits the marketing development plan. Winning as a team is not enough apparently. Melo has lost me as a fan. And not because of him as a person. I like winners, and he took a winning team and made them lose. Simple as that. I’m not sure I love this game as much today as I did a few weeks ago when Lin and the Knicks were and scrapping it out for wins. Mike Woodson should create a playbook around the game of basketball, not around the game of Carmelo Anthony.

  • guahan

    i remember woodson offense with hawks it was iso joe….it didn’t work against the better teams…hope woodson has adapted.

  • http://www.nba.com JB

    okay coach woodson, I will give you a chance. game 1 went well and hoping for a good run in the playoffs. this is a job interview for you coach, you fail and you are looking for work, win and you will most likely have a job for next year. Bottom line….don’t lose in NY. We don’t like that!

  • Devils_advocate

    Maybe this isen’t about utilizing the best player(s) as much as keeping
    competitors from utilizing them in the long run.

  • riggs

    30 point lead heading into the 4th against the pacers….wtf is going on?

  • furiousfunkfanatic

    Stephon Marbury, Carmelo Anthony… highly talented players that are so stupid, that they destroy their teams. I miss Starks and Ewing, feels like 100 yeary ago…

  • ogog

    so with lin they were winning, and with melo they r losing
    and your gonna keep it that way just so you can say your using your superstar???
    woodson your a dumb F*CKING C*NT!!!!!!!


    Knicks 115 Pacers 100…Knicks were up by 30, 88-58, entering 4th quarter. Melo in his limited playing time of 22 minutes and 43 seconds led the Knicks in assist (5) and rebounds (7). He’s one of the best in the game when he wants to be.

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  • Matt Park

    Lin played well tonight. In particular, I like how he denied Collison penetration. I would say the stats for this game were misleading, considering Lin fed his teammates numerous bunnies and they just missed them. ‘Melo showed how height and good court vision lead to good passes out of traffic. Lin is still very much a work-in-progress and I think that the bench is a good look for him. 20-25 (whether or not BD is playing well) minutes sounds good to me.

  • CP31


  • buschfire

    only one i feel sorry for is amare….everyone else could care less.

  • Justin G.

    @Orange…Lebron has as many rings as Carmelo and Amare do combined. The better question is who is closer to getting one between those two and Lebron?

  • http://slamonline.com Jones

    Yeah, cos the pre-Linsanity Knicks were so good… Looks like the Knicks will have to settle for playing the lottery this year cos Ellis with the Bucks look much more likely to get that 8th spot.

  • dan

    i cant see any problem with woodsons coaching so far. also amare and melo looked unselfish during the first two woodson games. its a sure thing that they wont keep crushing teams for the rest of the season but with this tallented roster actually caring about defense and winning nobody should be too suprised if the knicks make it to the playoffs for a deep run


    @Jones 3/26 Big Monday baby. I’m sure the Knicks have that day circled on the calendar. I know I can’t wait. :)

  • IamYOU

    I agree with Teddy at the top..The Knicks would have been better without melo. Yeah I said it.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Knicks need Melo to win anything. I stated up here, even when Lin crap was at the highest level he is a back up. Flip Murray did this same thing and went back to himself afterward. Lin has a spot on an NBA team right now, but anybody who thinks a Lin led offense from Dntoni was going to do anything in the playoffs are just plain stupid. Lin is an average player at most, its a reason he was cut from two teams. Baron should start and Lin should could come off bench with backup squad. Melo is the truth and should be the center of his team’s offense.

  • Milez Long

    3 straight! Lin is playing well and the defense is suffocating. Now the haters are quiet!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m not gonna say much right now, but Jeremy Lin is still leading this team from the PG spot with Mike Woodson in charge. The Knicks seem to be thriving on a more balanced attack–no one is putting up gaudy stats but they’re all contributing, while Lin is getting better each day. Melo is also exercising a lot more restraint and efficiency with Woodson at the helm, putting up better percentages with fewer attempts.
    Maybe it wasn’t so much Mike d’Antoni’s system or philosophy so much as it was… just him. Not that I blame him but the players clearly didn’t respond to him after a while, and it goes both ways.

  • Phil the thrill

    Mike is singing a different tune now. He us saying who’s hot will get the last second shot and Lin is going to be the starter. It took two days but his halfcourt offense now changed to ball movement and sharing. Looks like mike had a little meeting with upper management and his authority was cut. Same system and he changed his tough approach because they don’t want to lose Lin, Novak, jefferies, shump, Landry. Thank god!


    Woodson has these guys playing well. The defense looks a lot better. Offense is flowing. Melo’s getting the ball enough. It’s all good baby baby.


    The Seed is spitting the truth!


    Knicks 102 Pacers 88… Woody Ball improves to 3-0. First the Knicks beat the Pacers by 15, then at they beat them by 14 at their house. Thee Knicks have outscored the Pacers by 29 points in the past two games. That’s ownage. JPriceless somewhere still thinks the Pacers are better.


    *then they beat them by 14

  • dan

    just saw lin leading ny to their 3rd straight victory. doesnt look like anything would end soon

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  • ChipS

    Danny Granger: “We have two games against New York, VERY winnable.” Yeah, for NYK.


    The Knicks moved to 3-0 under interim coach Mike Woodson after Saturday’s victory, in which Jeremy Lin notched 19 points (6-of-10 FGs, 7-of-8 FTs), seven rebounds, six assists, one steal, one block and just two turnovers.

  • VanCityVibe

    1 turnover; 1 steal is a -1 TO to me

  • Paul H

    “Coach Woodson, he’s more of — he’s a players’ coach,” Stoudemire said. “It’s a matter of us as players playing hard for him and trying to get these wins.”
    So they were Incapable of playing hard for Mike?

  • Paul H

    A player owed 60 MILLION dollars over the next three seasons said that!!

  • Reeld

    Y is those post still up?

  • Reeld

    Y is this post still up?

  • Josh

    Lin is playing well, Knicks are winning. Linsanity is still intact


    Lin looked good last night.

  • Top$helf

    Everybody hating on Melo for not winning the west was loaded all those years he was with Denver now the east is loaded he won a chip in college in case you forgot so he knows how to win I see him getting at least one with the Knicks

  • http://none Charles Christian

    I think Lin can be a GOOD PG in the NBA,I THINK HE has shown he has the tools,NOTHING WRONG with being 3rd fiddle to Melo&STAT,he can BE that 3rd OPTON that PLAYS like a 1 OPTION,like Latrell Spreewell(former Knick)did in Minnesota his 1st Year behind Kevin Garnett and Sam Cassell,I ALSO THINK HE can be a consistent 18-22ppg scorer,6-10assists man if HE REALLY WANTS TO BE THAT KIND OF GUARD

  • KSupreme

    Hate to say it, especially since I like d’antoni, but woodson is doin an amazing job….all the tools were there, they just had to commit to defense.


    I could see this thread going over 200 comments.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Everyone realizes the Knicks were on a bigger win streak with D’Antoni and without Melo? Every Knicks fan overreacted then, and guess what? Y’all are doin it again. Being a Knicks fan is like choosing to have delusions of grandeur. As Paul H said, you have a guys that are paid millions upon millions of dollars who lack the drive to always play hard. What makes you think that won’t be an ongoing problem in the future? Oh right, your Knicks fans.

  • RKJ92

    ^LOL, Its so true.. Like I understand you ride or die with your team but to actually have A SF and PF that dont play defence, have no drive, dont own up to they’re mistakes (cough melo), don’t rebound, or play hard and they’re paid 20 mill? and To think they can win a championship with that little streak they’re on is a joke, i’m sorry..

    (I’m not a hater, i’m a realist) ;)


    “I’m not a hater, I’m a realist”…that sounds like something that should be on a bumper sticker. and nbk, just shut your mouth you bitter Knicks hatin’ fan. lmao

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    As a Knicks fan I get frustrated when heads start going overboard with talk of their “accomplishments.” Yea, we on a little win streak and we FINALLY beat a playoff team, but we still haven’t proven anything against an elite team. We might f*ck around and lose to the Raptors Tuesday night. We have to beat teams like the Bulls, Heat, Magic, Spurs and Thunder and beat them consistently before REALLY jumping out the window and proclaiming the Knicks contenders. That said, I love how Woodson flipped on Landry Fields for blowing his coverage. Now I wanna see him flip on Melo and Stat when they will inevitably do the same…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    O and Bryan have to be the only 2 fans of the Knicks whose opinions I genuinely enjoy.


    ^ lol at that cry for a hug.

  • blakos

    NBK don’t bother with Orange. You know any NBA fan with half a brain isn’t buying his verbal diarrhoea. Knicks on the post DiAntoni honeymoon right now.

  • ChipS

    NBK, the overreaction doesn’t just come from Knicks fans, it comes from Knicks detractors also. I’m a NBA fan, just love watching the game, the last team I overly rooted for was the 00-01 Sixers and I still root for the Sixers. But you have to acknowledge the inconsistency in the arguement. When the Knicks lose Slam has a big headline of it, and the detractors run wild and trash Melo. The comments were at 110 or so on this page before they went 3-0 and mostly were probably negative. I didn’t read any because I knew of the overreaction. It quieted down when they won now its the prisoner of the moment Knicks fans turn to keep it moving. Its overreaction on both sides, not just one.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Don’t stress that, I just like pointing out when things are ridiculous or stupid. He can say whatever his delusional little frustrated heart desires.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    chipS my opinion is consistent. When Knicks haters go overboard I will be there saying they are still a playoff team, could even win a round if they draw a Indiana or someone like that. But more often then not, Orange and his band of Knicks enthusiasts are polluting every Knicks related page with their uber optimism.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    Cmon son, if you’re a knicks fans you’re trolling fo sho.

  • http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/kobe-bryant-says-hes-better-than-michael-jordan-second-to-wilt-chamberlain-as-best-nba-player-ever-v.html shutup

    I thought the idea of being a fan of a specific team was to have optimism? and pretty sure being happy about their success is normal for any long time fan.

  • ChipS

    NBK, I understand what your saying and I agree . You weren’t really my target, I’ve been waiting to say that for a while now, I should’ve worded it better.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Be a fan. But be rational if your going to gloat about your teams success. EsPecially in a place like this, where being an uber irrational fan really does nothing but make you look irrational as a person. It’s whatever, if people want to be irrational that’s fine, but choosing to be that way and being defensive when people disagree rationally is well exactly what it is….I

  • http://www.i-tong.com ROMELO

    what do you mean end of linsanity? the guy just did another double-double with 18 points and 10 assists today… linsanity is good for the fans, it’s good for the team and it’s good for team owners (coz they sell more items and tickets)… hating linsanity is just hating the team overall…