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Friday, April 27th, 2012 at 11:05 am  |  97 responses

Deron Williams Slowly Buying into the ‘Vision’ of the Brooklyn Nets?


Though he wouldn’t quite commit to the team going forward on the final night of the NBA’s regular season, soon-to-be unrestricted free agent Deron Williams did sound positive about the direction being taken by the Brooklyn-bound Nets. Per the Bergen Record: “Deron Williams visited the Barclays Center on Tuesday. And after a season full of frustrating losses and crippling injuries, it proved to be just what he needed. ‘My mood’s good,’ Williams said, just hours before the final game of the season, which [he missed] with a sore right calf. ‘It’s good right now, I enjoy being around these guys. I’ve got some big decisions to make. I think going to Brooklyn helped me see the vision again, so we’ll see what happens.’ Williams has called this season the toughest of his life. And he admitted this morning, that it’s been difficult to envision the Nets’ future at times this campaign. ‘Oh yeah,’ Williams said with a laugh. ‘There were times this year where it was difficult to see. Very much so, especially when you’re on the court.’ But a visit to the Barclays Center on Tuesday with general manager Billy King seemed to help put things in perspective. Williams posted pictures of himself, King and guard Jordan Farmar, all smiling from the construction site. ‘It was great, it was great,’ Williams said of the visit. ‘It’s definitely taking shape. It was looking nice, it’s going to be a special arena.’ […] Williams said he’ll watch the playoffs despite the Nets not being in them. ‘It makes you hungrier, I think,’ Williams said. ‘It makes you miss basketball, miss playing in those types of game. I was watching the Jazz/Phoenix game, just games of significance like that, where it means a lot, you want to play in those games again.’ Williams also said he was ‘happy’ his former team, the Jazz, are making the playoffs.”

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  • Ash

    Man what a hard choice. Money or possible championship? He can be one of the all time greats for Brooklyn Nets, the first to have his jersey retired. Or he can or might win championship(nothing is guaranteed).

  • M

    Dallas is such a bad move he will regret if he chooses. All that is there is dirk and he’s 34. In Brooklyn he’ll have wallace, green, marshon brooks, lopez, morrow. A better core to go forward with than an aging dirk and no one else. That lineup hasnt even played together all season and could easily this year have been in the playoffs if healthy.

  • Sam

    @Ash:

    Where is this “possible championship” going to come from? Unless he is being packaged in a sign and trade (maybe to OKC for Westbrook or LAL for Pau Gasol?), the Mavericks don’t really give him a great chance of a championship with Dirk entering his 14th season.

    Not saying the Nets are a great option either..

  • logues

    Sam: okc is not going to trade westbrook.. and dwill for gasol?? cmon

  • JML-G

    Mavs got zero future – can see any reason for Deron or Dwight to go there

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So is Dwight.

  • Drig

    Aren’t they under the cap??? Maybe Dwight?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m still not quite sure why the f*ck Dwight Howard decided to stay in Orlando. What an el stupidio idioto dudeo… Essay vato.

  • Ash

    @ Sam you answer your own question. If Dwight goes to Dallas, already has Dirk or if, he goes to Lakers or even the Knicks

  • titanic

    teddy went espanol on this forum. lol

  • titanic

    just dirk, an aging big men, in dallas is not enough. NJ must get dwight. dwight, dwill and whoever else they have left after the trade is a start.

  • don the GSW fan

    if dallas gets dwight and dwill. that’s a championship w/n 2years of its start

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    man… he really gotta call dwight howard and figure out what the F*ck he wants to do.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Deron would be alright if Brook Lopez decided to rebound consistently along with his scoring. Leave Dwight and his indecisiveness in Orlando. If Lopez rebounds more and stays healthy, they’ll be in the playoffs next season.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would trade a thousand Brook Lopez’s for Dwight Howard. And so would the Nets.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Only to hear that Dwight has changed his mind and wants to stay in Orlando. Or go to LA. Or Dallas. Or New York. Or Chicago.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You do realize the only reason you have heard any of how Dwight feels is because the Orlando Magic are a terrible organization that can’t keep anything in house? You did notice that he tried to stay with the organization until more sh*t got out because again, they are a terrible organization (no offense Caboose). Well obviously not, you are pining for Brook Lopez instead of Dwight Howard. Never mind.

  • Jer Boi

    A healthy starting 5 would have had the Nets in the playoffs this year. Williams, Brooks, Wallace, Humphries, Lopez. If they can keep Deron, hopefully resign Humphries, add some pieces, there’s potential there

  • ALD

    cosign @Jerboi but if orlando wises up and trade dwight to the nets, i see orlando wanting brooks and lopez, posibbly green or wallace if they resign… But if that happens, i see the nets making a offer to eric gordan. This is a a little bit dreamy but a possible situation. If none of this happens , the nets will still be better than the bobcats lol.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Dwight Howard started all of it by not knowing how to make up his mind. First he wants to be traded. Then he doesn’t. Then he doesn’t know where he wants to go. Then he decides to stay. The Magic organization showed everyone the kind of dude Dwight is. Stan Van Gundy is a great coach, Dwight wants him out because he’s too sensitive and can’t take the criticism that Stan gives him. Dwight is a great player, terrible decision-maker. Has no idea what he wants to do. That kind of volatility cannot be tolerated in your franchise player continuously. Deron Williams stopped communicating with him for a while because Dwight didn’t know whether he wanted to go to New Jersey or not. And now apparently he has changed his mind again and wants to be traded. Seriously? The only fault that lies with the Magic organization is in not trading Dwight last summer after the lockout before he started to vacillate over and over again.

  • Ill Smith

    Dallas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brooklyn. Forget the ‘Dirk is old’ adage you mean to tell me a young Brook Lopez is worth more? Not to mention who’s in charge here. You got Billy King handing away top 5 picks on the reg (remember this is the guy that put oh so much talent around Iverson back in his prime) or Cubes & Nelson who obviously know how to build a championship team. Plus Dallas has enough cap room to do damage in free agency beyond Deron. It’s really a no brainer. Only way the Nets improve is if Dwight comes & if we’re tired of his back & forth sh*t how you think DWill feels bout it at this point?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Asad, you clearly don’t know what happened in Orlando.
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    DWIGHT ALWAYS WANTED TO BE TRADED.
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    The Magic came to him, the day of the deadline and said QUOTE “You either take back your trade demand, or you will be traded to the Lakers by the end of the day”
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    Dwight, not wanting to play for the Lakers, opted to stay in Orlando.
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    He has always known what he wants to do. And he has always let the Orlando Magic Organization know what he wants, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
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    THE MAGIC RELEASE THE INFORMATION THAT CAUSES THE DRAMA THAT MAKES THEM AND DWIGHT LOOK BAD.
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    THIS MESS IS THE MAGIC’S FAULT.

  • Harlem_World

    Co-sign nbk. The Magic are a nickle and dime type operation. Yes, they have money, but no, they don’t have any professionalism or expertise. He should have bounced, but they forced him to stay with the Lakers trade. Media will always make a player look worse than the organization. Could go into the whole slave mentality thing, but that’s another story for another time…

  • AsadSaleh3

    Dwight Howard wavered. We all saw it. He didn’t think that it would come out, but it did. The organization called his bluff up until the deadline to see if he really wanted to stay or not. He backed off and now he’s in a situation he doesn’t want to be in. Again. He should have let them trade him to New Jersey. Instead, he’s stuck. That’s what happened. Defend him if you want to. Those of us who pay attention to details saw what happened.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Get that “slave mentality” garbage out of here. It doesn’t play into this situation. Dwight simply had to make a decision and stick with it. Either stay or decide to allow the team to trade you. He gives the organization a bunch of teams he would like to be traded to and then ends up signing on to stay for another year. Now he wants to be traded again. Yep, sounds exactly like a guy who has always known what he wants to do. Chris Paul handled it perfectly with a worse situation surrounding him. He asked to be traded and it happened. Twice. Surrounded by a team with the league as its owner. A lesser mix of talent around him than Dwight. He got out of it clean. Dwight could have handled it similarly and didn’t. Both Chris and the Hornets handled it behind closed doors until Stern decided not to let him be traded to the Lakers. Other than that, all Chris ever said was “Wow” on Twitter. Deron Williams also handled his situation well in Utah.

  • dma

    deron williams and dwight howard will both be members of the brooklyn nets next year. i find it hilarious that after all the moaning and complaining from dwight NOT wanting to be traded mid-season to the Nets because he wanted to play in the post-season, his people decided to shut him down for this season.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    SO what you are actually saying is, you don’t possess the ability to read?
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    The Magic came to him, the day of the deadline and said QUOTE “You either take back your trade demand, or you will be traded to the Lakers by the end of the day”
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    That isn’t the f*cking NETS. That is the Lakers. If the Magic had a trade they felt was worth trading Dwight to the Nets it would have happened. Which if you use your brain should be obvious, considering that’s the team he requested to go to. The LA threat (and the inevitable Shaq comparisons) are why Dwight stayed. You will hear of another trade request from him by the time the draft rolls around. And he will be traded.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Chris Paul was traded to a team he agreed to go to. If the Hornets tried to trade him to Charlotte he would have said no. It’s the same f*cking situation. The ONLY difference is the organization that handled it.

  • AsadSaleh3

    The only difference is Chris just said he wasn’t going to sign an extension so the organization went about trading him. He never changed his mind or backtracked. It’s that simple. Defend Dwight until you’re blue in the face, this is what happened. A lot happened before the deadline which is all you’re focusing on. Dwight changed his mind multiple times before the deadline which is why Otis Smith kept him until the deadline to see if Dwight would decide to stay or go. Whatever your reason for defending Dwight to no end, you’re off here.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dumbass man. Dwight won’t sign an extension in Orlando just like Chris Paul wouldn’t in New Orleans. All he signed was a waiver to not opt out this season.
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    You. Don’t. Understand. The. Situation. Plain. And. Simple.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Dwight said he wants to stay in Orlando so he signed the waiver. Now he wants out again. Dude can’t make up his mind. Period. You can’t refute that fact at all regardless of how much you try. Deron Williams stopped talking to the man because Dwight couldn’t decide on whether he wanted to play with him or not. The only one not understanding this is you. He has turned himself in one shortened season into the biggest diva in the NBA. Can’t make up his mind about what he wants to do, asked that a great coach be fired so that he could be coached the way he wants to be coached (not too hard because he’s too sensitive for criticism), signs on to stay for another year, now wants out again before next season. And we will go through this again if he is not traded before next season starts as all of the top notch analysts are predicting.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Right because Dwight saying something in a press conference while sitting next to an Orlando executive should be taken as fact. Obviously you believe everything, and don’t understand what marketability is. You think the people in Orlando would still support the Magic if they forced their star player to stay and he came out and said, “well the team blackmailed me into rescinding my trade request” – You think that would have gone over well? The only thing that makes you think he changes his mind is the Orlando Magic’s inability to keep anything in house. In reality, you shouldn’t know about anything Dwight has said to the Magic’s executives in meetings, but you do, and it shaped your oh so gullible opinion.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Give it up nbk. Nothing will convince this fool. Yeah Dwight behaved like an entitled prick, but the organization messed up a lot, basically playing as dirty as possible to keep him. This is coming from the lone Magic regular on the site too.

  • AsadSaleh3

    The Hornets were owned by the league and Chris handled it perfectly. Melo handled it well in Denver. I’m not signing an extension here long term. And that was it. So with real ownership, Dwight can’t make up his mind? If he wanted to leave, why would he sign the waiver? None of it makes sense. Either he wants to stay or leave. If he wanted to leave, all he had to do was play out the season and become a free agent. Look how Deron is handling his present situation in New Jersey. Haven’t heard a word about it from him unless he’s asked about it. Dwight needs to take lessons not only on decision making, but on speaking to the media. Stan outed him and he acted like he didn’t say anything about wanting him to be fired. Man up and take responsibility for your choices. That’s all he had to do. This isn’t about Magic ownership or Otis Smith. It’s about Dwight not handling his business smartly.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree with Ased.
    Dwight’s public comments appeared to waver. And there were tons of stories, anonymously sourced, that said he couldn’t make up his mind adn the people close to him didn’t know what he wanted to do.
    He wanted to be traded but he wanted to be a good guy too. Or he wanted to stay, but only if the team magically found a superstar to play with him. Wasn’t going to happen.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    if he told the Lakers he wasn’t signing an extension with them, they would have never traded for him. EVER.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He wanted to stay if the team added a list of what 5 players? And that was released anonymously, by a member of the Magic. How do you know the Hornets weren’t given a similar list? –
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    The ONLY difference between Melo, Chris Paul, and Dwight Howard is the first two got traded to a place they wanted to go to. And Dwight was going to be forced to go to LA. Other than that, what was released by anonymous sources could have just as easily been released in those other cities….if members of those organizations didn’t value behind closed doors conversations.
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    Basically Allen, what your saying is, Denver didn’t ask Melo or New Orleans didn’t ask Chris what they could do to keep him, they just blindly traded him or admitted to not running the organization how it should have around those players because they wanted to be traded.
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    I don’t understand how anyone knowledgable about how the NBA works can excuse how the Magic have handled this situation. They have caused such a horrible mess releasing everything Dwight said to them that it ruined both parties reputations. You think any star player wants to play in Orlando after this???? I sure don’t. But teams still want Dwight. See the difference?

  • AsadSaleh3

    The Magic played dirty by…seeing if he really wanted to be traded or not? Building a new arena for him to play in? Yes, they played it very dirty. The only thing they did was show everyone how Dwight can’t make a decision. That’s it. That’s not dirty. None of this would have come out at all if Dwight had said before the season, “Trade me, I’m not signing here long term.” And never back away from it. That’s it. My opinions are shaped on what Dwight has done and said, not what the Magic has publicized. You know what would have made it impossible for that press conference to have taken place? If he was in LA or New Jersey with another team. Which he would have been if he had simply stuck with a choice. Otis Smith says we’re not going to make a move until we absolutely have to because we know how he is and we need to make sure he wants to leave. If he wants to leave, we have a deal in place. If not, then we keep our franchise player. That’s not dirty.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Melo handled his business like a chump.
    He could have taken a shorter deal if he wanted the flexibility Wade and Bosh and Bron had, but instead he took the longer deal to get more money.
    Then, at the end of his deal he tells the Nuggets he wants to be traded, but only to a certain team. Good for the Nuggets they found the stupidest trade partners in the League who gutted their entire team to get Melo, but otherwise it could have ended badly.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, I’m quite positive the Lakers were not giving up a lot to get him (Bynum, MWP, Blake for Howard & Turk at most). And they probably thought once he was there and saw what actually competing for a top tier organization was like he would sign the extension. Especially knowing he’d lose out on $30M if he didn’t. All he did by signing the waiver is give himself another year to try and get the trade he wants. He never has had the intention of staying in Orlando without the opportunity to win. — Plus the Magic promised him a star player by the deadline. Which they didn’t deliver. Making them that much more unreliable as an organization.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t this agree with anything you just wrote.
    I just disagree with the idea that Howard never wavered. He did because he wants to have a certain image. It’s obvious. Same reason he pretended to be Stan Van Gundy’s friend. He’s fake.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “My opinions are shaped on what Dwight has done and said, not what the Magic has publicized” Asad, what Dwight has said and what the Magic have publicized are the same f*cking thing. You can’t say your opinion is shaped by one and not the other. They both came from the same place. Show me ONE clip, just ONE, of Dwight saying something more than, “yes I have demanded a trade” – all the other sh*t involved with him wanting to be traded came from the Magic organization. Obviously, to save face for himself and the magic organization he said he wanted to stick it out with the Magic the day he signed the waiver, but that was purely for the media and public. It wasn’t his actual feelings. Gotta sell tickets, jerseys, and shoes. This is a business after all.

  • AsadSaleh3

    “Forced to go to LA”. Oh, so playing with the Lakers with Gasol and Kobe is a bad thing? Dwight didn’t like the fact that what he was doing behind Stan Van Gundy’s back to get him fired came out. Well, it did. So he acts like he didn’t do it. At least be a man and own up to what you do. I don’t blame Stan for outing Dwight. The man has nothing to lose. He’ll coach in Orlando or in some other NBA city. Great coach. Dwight is a grown man. No one made him stay. No one made him do that press conference. No question, Dwight looks horrible in this. Worse than the Magic. Teams really have to wonder about his mindset (along with his free throw shooting). He has to have the perfect coach and the perfect organization to make him feel comfortable. Even LeBron has accepted Spoelstra who isn’t that much more of a coach than Van Gundy. Dwight needs to be paired with a leader because he’s not one.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ok my bad Allen, I am not arguing that Dwight is fake, because he is. Just like the majority of people with the public eye focused on them. I am just arguing that this isn’t Dwight’s fault, he didn’t say anything publicly to bring all of this sh*t out. Sh*t he was forced to even admit he demanded a trade because the Magic can’t keep anything quiet.
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    Would you agree that if he went to Brooklyn or somewhere he actually wants to be that this problem won’t happen again?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Asad, it’s not about who he would play with. He is doing everything in his power to avoid Shaq comparison’s. And he also doesn’t want to go through another rebuilding process (Kobe only has a few years left and Dwight’s 24) – He wants to be the face of an organization and build his own image. Which is his prerogative, i’m not goin to blame him for making his own career path, and i don’t see why anyone should.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Dwight wants to be liked by everyone so he’s upset that it came out that he wants his coach and possibly his GM fired and he can’t make a solid decision. Poor guy can’t have everything he wants. Forget marketability. He can’t have it both ways. If marketability was the number one priority for all of these guys, LeBron would still be in Cleveland as the savior of the city and not be one of the most hated athletes in the country in D-Wade’s city. Do what you have to do. He has to decide what’s more important. And playing in LA would do much more good for him than any bad press he could receive in a small market like Orlando. Regardless of how he leaves that franchise.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Who said LeBron cares about Marketability as his first priority?
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    Dwight is obviously not very smart about his image, but he clearly cares about it more than anything else. And this crap in Orlando is ultimately going to be a speed bump in his career, his image won’t suffer. Which considering he still had the most votes for the All-Star game (which was during the height of the drama) is glaring evidence of that.

  • AsadSaleh3

    He wouldn’t be the man in Brooklyn either because Deron Williams is a flat out leader. Dwight is a great player, but he’s not going to go anywhere without a great point guard or two guard which is why he couldn’t beat the Lakers a few years ago in the championship. A team of Howard, Gasol and Bryant wouldn’t be at least top 3 in the West this season? Kobe has a few years left and when he retires, guys would love to be in LA with Dwight and Gasol. I’m not sure he thought that through enough. Brooklyn and LA would be better spots for him. I agree that it was foul of the organization to release that information. I’m now with you there. But once it came out, marketability shouldn’t have been the first thing on his mind. It would have done him a lot of good to admit to it. That way, he looks like a man owning up to his actions rather than a guy who backs away from them while we all know the truth. He was in a tough spot but he didn’t have to stay. He could have admitted to it and accepted the trade or waited to become a free agent with no real harm done outside of Orlando. Take that hit and keep it moving like LeBron has done. And that hit he would have taken would have been nothing like what LeBron has had to hear.

  • AsadSaleh3

    If there’s one thing we learned during the lockout, it’s that this is a business and everyone will look out for themselves. Loyalty is limited. The Magic looked out for themselves and their business. It’s much easier to make one man look bad than it is to make an entire organization look bad to the point where no one will want to play for them. Business wise, the organization will make money with or without Dwight. They’ll obviously make more with him, but without, they still can lure in a big time player as a free agent or in the draft depending on the kind of pieces they receive if they trade Dwight. If they trade him, they get good players and a good draft pick and start over. Worst case scenario, they end up like Denver who did very well with that Melo trade. Guys will want to play in that arena for a good coach in Stan Van Gundy. Orlando isn’t a bad place to live. They still have Dwight Howard playing in that huge arena. Dwight did not take the opportunity to take care of himself.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Magic screwed themselves. And Dwight will without a doubt be “the man” on any team that doesn’t have LeBron, Kobe, Durant or Rose in the public’s eye. Which is all that matters if your image is his concern.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    should have said “I don’t disagree.”
    gotta proofread

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree that this is an isolated situation. I just think he could have took the fallout and it would have been fine.
    He was so afraid of becoming LeBron he became worse than LeBron.
    LeBron was guilty of hubris and naivete.
    Dwight seems to have much bigger issues.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    “taken the fallout.”
    dammit, i’m effing up.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I agree with that completely. He didn’t handle this how he should have. But the Magic as the Organization who is supposed to be appealing to players, handled this worse. (imo)

  • AsadSaleh3

    Dwight won’t be the man with Deron Williams. Deron is a father, husband, grown man. As a player, he will be the one with the ball in his hands in important moments. Dwight will score early, rebound, defend. But he can’t close games regardless of how much he’d like to. Can’t shoot free throws. Can’t close games that way. And he still has growing up to do.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You just don’t understand what he public eye is? Is that it?
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    Shaq couldn’t do those things, and he is still as mature as a 12 year old. Yet, he was “the man” on every team he played on until he was 34. Despite playing with Penny, Kobe, and Wade.
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    The best player, the most popular player, is ALWAYS going to be viewed as “the man” – this is a given, if you have any semblance of the history of basketball.

  • AsadSaleh3

    I’m not concerned with the public eye. The public eye is often wrong. It’s very easy to follow the crowd, I choose not to. Shaq had a different mindset than Dwight does. Shaq was never the most skilled guy on those teams. Penny, Kobe and Wade were. But Shaq knew that he was the most dominant force so he did what he was supposed to do. Dwight has yet to be nearly as dominant as Shaq was. Despite some of the foolishness that comes out of his mouth, he is right when he says that Dwight doesn’t seem to want to be as dominant as Shaq was even though he is the best center in the league. Those of us who actually know the game and watch the game aren’t concerned with who “the man” is to the public.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Obviously you don’t get it…..still.
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    Nobody cares how you feel, we are talking about Dwight and how HE feels. If this discussion was about how you feel then I’m sorry I wasted so much time. I don’t give a damn.

  • Rainman

    I agree with a lot of what NBK has to say, i mean these random little pieces of information getting leaked are just as much part of the issue, really

  • AsadSaleh3

    I don’t care about how the public feels or how you feel either. Dwight will not be the man who leads a team to a title by closing games. That’s common sense to anyone who watches him play. Unless he decides to be as dominant as Shaq was, he’ll be the number two guy behind a great guard. Dwight feels like he has to be liked by everyone and if he keeps that mentality, he will stay in Orlando and not win anything rather than being disliked by some people and leaving to play with someone who can lead him to a championship. The LeBron comparison rings true here. LeBron decided to take the scrutiny and leave. Dwight should do the same.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    If dwight went to the nets it would be dwights team. Deron williams is a very good player IMO the best PG in the league now that CP3 is a step slower. but dwight makes your team a top 5 defensively and gives you 20+(and has barely reached his ceiling offensively). we saw how the nets would be with JUST deron williams. with JUST dwight howard they could be as good or better than the magic are w/ him. Dwight would be seen as the man, and rightfully so.

  • Rainman

    Actually, i agree with Asad too, Dwight was very much undecided and had bad influences whsipering in his ears (his agent) and backtracked A LOT. So it really goes both ways.. imo

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    Look dwight’s wavering was annoying… but not nearly as annoying as the magic constantly leaking sh*t about him. I hate both, but I hate the magic as an organization far more now.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Put Dwight on the Nets today and take Deron off and you will not make the playoffs. In my opinion, if you’re not the worst team in the league like the Bobcats and you’re not a title contender, you’re in the same category. Middle of the pack. The Nets would be one of those teams in that category still if you replaced Deron with Dwight. Dwight will get you those stats but he can’t win games for you consistently because his offensive game is not great. Deron’s game is big time. Championship ready. If Lopez had been healthy all season, they would be in the playoffs in that 8 or 7 spot.

  • Rainman

    Is it jsut me or are Caboose and NBK in cahoots? lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dwight has already been 2 games from winning a title as the best player on a team. It’s pretty absurd to say it “can’t happen”
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    Dwight has decided to leave. Signing a waiver to stay for one more year was a decision to try and make sure he gets what he wants. Which is to go to a team he wants to go to, while retaining his bird rights and the $30M that go along with it. Despite what was said in one press conference the day after the deadline (which was designed to save Dwight’s image, while also keeping people in Orlando excited about the team), Dwight never changed his mind about leaving. The only reason you should believe he changed his mind is if you are gullible enough to believe everything you hear. Obviously he made business decisions (which included lying to the public about “changing” his mind) but he never actually changed his mind. Which the Orlando Magic organization knew, which is why whatever dumbass executive it was, relayed that Howard wanted Van Gundy out too Van Gundy. If they didn’t, Van Gundy would have never heard about it, he would have just been fired at the end of the year. Which might happen anyway now that he admitted he knew about it too the media.
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    In closing, the problems stem from the Magic organization and their constant failures over the last few years. Dwight screwed up by telling the team how he felt, obviously, he was being selfish trying to secure that extra money by demanding a trade that inevitably hurt his image. Ultimately though, Dwight will be in a city he wants to be in, with the money he was originally after, and he will be viewed as a savior and “the man” in whatever city that is. Ultimately.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and that Orlando roster around Dwight is absolutely terrible. They wouldn’t be a playoff team without him. Which will be proven next season when he gets traded. While Brooklyn competes for homecourt, just like Orlando did this year. Deron Williams or not.

  • AsadSaleh3

    I’m looking at the guy who can get you a bucket whenever you need it. Dwight can’t do that. Never has. He can’t touch the ball late in games because teams will send him to the line and he will miss his shots. If you’re up 10 points with a few minutes left and you want to stop a run by the Magic, foul Dwight. Slow the game down. He will miss half of his shots. Can’t do that with Deron.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Wait a minute, this dude thinks Brooklyn will compete for homecourt with a lineup of Jordan Farmar, Marshon Brooks, Gerald Wallace if he resigns, Kris Humphries and Dwight Howard? lol. Hilarious. They’re going to leapfrog over teams like the Knicks and Celtics? Comical.

  • irondan21

    Don’t do it Deron!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You realize you are talking about the last 2 minutes of a game? There are 46 other minutes, which are more important. If you are winning by 10 going into the last 2 minutes then Dwight becomes irrelevant. And Dwight’s impact defensively, even at the end of games, is more valuable then Deron Williams ability to create a shot.
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    Dwight is a top 5 player in the league. No late game performance from someone not in that top 5 will ever ever ever ever ever overshadow that. Just like Kobe never overshadowed Shaq during the championship seasons. – And that is not me saying Dwight is Shaq, it’s just the most glaring example possible of how one very very good player, doesn’t outshine the best player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Asad, do you not know what “compete” means? I didn’ say the Nets would get homecourt, I said they would compete, just like Orlando did this year. Just read the words I right, don’t add your own dumb assumptions too them. ANd why in the blue hell do you think if Dwight went to Brooklyn that other people won’t come with? You think the Nets are going to add one of the best players in the league and just stand pat? Are you the king of crappy assumptions?

  • AsadSaleh3

    That Magic team got far because Dwight had teammates like Turkoglu who played very well and they were hitting their shots throughout the playoffs with guys like Rashard Lewis. Rafer Alston stepped in for an injured Jameer Nelson and played very well and had they kept Nelson out of the rotation, they would have given the Lakers more of a series. Again, Dwight needs playmakers around him because he’s not one. They lost to a team who had the right formula. Gasol down low doing what he does and Kobe on the perimeter doing what he does. That’s what Dwight needs.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    write*

  • AsadSaleh3

    I’m reading your many stupid comments dude. A lot of teams compete until, like the Magic this season, they end up falling back to reality and become a 6th seed in the playoffs which happened before Dwight stopped playing. You’ve proven yourself to be completely ignorant here. I said Dwight won’t make the Nets any better if it’s just him without Deron Williams. That should be obvious to realize. You said the Nets, with or without Deron, would compete for hoomecourt. It would be a good idea for you to say that you’re assuming other players going with him because by not saying that, you sounded like an idiot. Top players lists are just opinions. Nothing is concrete. LeBron, Wade, Durant, Kobe, CP3 are my 5 because they are 48 minutes worth of everything you need to win. Dwight is behind them to me because he cannot shoulder the load on both sides of the ball for a full game. Just a matter of opinion.

  • Rainman

    You both are on complete opposite sides of the spectrum. One is on the “its dwights fault” side, the other is on the “its the teams fault” side, far right, and far left. Most ppl find themselves in the middle of that spectrum, agree that Dwight was going back and forth in his mind, nbk, ur forgetting, ppl close to him, and knew what he was thinking, “leaked” (this had nothing to do with magic management btw) that UP TO THE TRAD DEADLINE, Dwight was still confused As HELL about what he was going to do, going bak, and forth, and bak, and forth. Dwight has said this himself (lot sof praying, lots of fasting, blahblahblah).

    There also is no doubt that the team played a part, and the “leaking” that was gonig on helped no one or anything, and only further made the public turn agaisnt Dwight and almost held him hostage and made him resign by putting a gun to his head.

    The average fan acknowledges both sides to this. (The how Good is Dwight debate right now is all urs tho guys, go ahead lol)

  • AsadSaleh3

    So Dwight can get you 20 and 14 in 46 minutes, Deron can get you 20 and 10, and win the game in the last two minutes yet he’s not the best player on the team? Wrong.

  • The Solution

    Rainman is right, mostly everyone acknowledges both sides to the argument

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    smh, Orlando was 33-21 with Dwight in the lineup. They finished the season 37 & 29. They had a better record then both, Atlanta and Boston when he got hurt. Once again, you are ignorant, just saying something, doesn’t make it true.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    There is a such thing as defense baby girl. Dwight’s defensive impact vastly outweighs Deron Williams impact in 2 f*cking minutes. smh

  • AsadSaleh3

    Dwight had the power to take the gun away from the public and the Magic, be the bad guy and leave. He chose not to simply because he wants everyone to like him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rainman, who “close to him” leaked that? Aren’t members of the Magic Organization people “close to him”
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    And I stated, numerous times that Dwight did not handle this correctly. I also stated, the Magic handled this worse.
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    This originally started because ultra dumb Asad said the Nets would be better off with Brook F*CKING Lopez over Dwight Howard. Am I the only person who has actually read this horrible conversation from start to finish?

  • AsadSaleh3

    Listen to this young kid lol. Deron controls the game. Gets his own shot whenever he wants to. Gets his teammates shots whenever he wants to. Dwight gets 20 and 14, blocks some shots and doesn’t touch the ball in the final few minutes because he can’t finish and you’re ready to call him the best player on the team. The best defensive player? Yes. Overall the best player? No. You’re just clueless when it comes to basketball. That’s it. I understand now. Got it. Can’t educate those who are willfully stupid.

  • AsadSaleh3

    I didn’t say the Nets would be better with Lopez than Dwight foolish child. I said that if Dwight continues to not know what he wants to do, he cannot be trusted which is why Deron Williams himself stopped talking with him before the deadline. And with Lopez at full health, the Nets would have made the playoffs this season. Keep up.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol yup, I know nothing about basketball. Everyone who reads these comment sections will agree with you. Watch them come outta the wood work.

  • AsadSaleh3

    I don’t need people to agree with me. You can get as many people as you want to agree with you and it doesn’t mean you’re right. At all.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Once again, Dwight’s mind never changed. Only people like you, who are ultra gullible, believed that.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Dude must be Dwight’s brother or cousin. Clearly, his mind changed multiple times. But use “ultra gullible” one more time and maybe that will make it true. Doubt it. But try it and see.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I love this site…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Clearly his mind changed Mutliple times if you believe everything you hear and read. Just like Tupac is still alive, Bill Clinton never inhaled, and Dwight never said he wanted Stan Van fired.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    nbk at his best once again. The master of wasting other people’s time… YOU’VE INITIATED an argument that lasted about 6 hours….over what? Hope you resolved something in your own head. Self righteous pri*K.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol boo hoo. If you haven’t noticed commenting is wasting time.

  • ash

    If Nets can keep Brook, Humpries, and Williams and add Dwight. Get a new coach and add couple of bench players they will make the playoffs next year as a top 4 seed. I think its possible for Dwight to stay and try to recruit Deron Williams. If I’m not mistaken Jameer Nelson is a free agent next season.

  • Jordan

    your awesome nbk

  • bobbyD

    What’s that saying about defence winning games and championships?

  • Rainman

    Shout out to The Philosopher

  • http://slamonline.com samoaninlondon

    is barclays bank even in the US? aside from offshore bnking. Maybe we could have a London team in the NBA one day.

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