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Tuesday, April 17th, 2012 at 1:40 pm  |  55 responses

Mike Krzyzewski Finds it ‘Sad’ College Basketball Has No ‘Voice’ With the NBA


Coach K used a sports radio appearance to rail against the current relationship between the NBA and college hoops. From The Sports Animal in Oklahoma City (via SRI): “First of all college basketball doesn’t control college basketball. The NBA controls college basketball. They are the ones along with the players union that sets the rule. College basketball just reacts to what the NBA does to include the early entry date. College basketball put out April 10th. Well that date doesn’t mean anything. April 29th is when guys have a chance to put their names in the NBA draft. I think one of the main things that has to happen is college basketball has to have a relationship with the NBA. There should be someone in charge of college basketball who on a day-to-day basis sets an agenda for our great sport. We don’t have anything like that. As a resolve we don’t have a voice with the NBA or the players union and that’s just kind of sad.’ Do you continue to go after superstar players who could be one-and-done players? Do you go harder after players that may stay 2-3 years as oppose to the superstar? ‘Yeah we can’t go after every one-and-done guy because a lot of the guys and they are great players and great kids, but school isn’t as important. A lot of those guys a number of years ago didn’t have to go to college. Dwight Howard. Kobe Bryant. LeBron James. Kids are…it’s not even going one year. They are going to spend maybe six-seven months. Sometimes…we have a great school, but it’s not as attractive as going someplace else, so we have to be careful with who we get involved with because it could be a monumental waste of time for us.’”

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  • FnF

    I’d respectfully disagree with coach K. Even though the NCAA doesn’t have a voice in the NBA, the major programs can still alter a player’s choice. If Duke is afraid of 1&done’s, then recruit the next tier of players. Market yourself as a school that will develop players into NBA ready players. Calipari has built a brand that gets players drafted, but look at the complete list of players he’s put in the league and how many of them never pan out. It would be a tough sell to players who don’t believe they in fact are in the 2nd or 3rd or 4th tier of their class. But if you can show a track record of all of your players staying power in the NBA as long as they stay a sufficient amount of time, that just might give the NCAA a sliver of power in NBA related matters.

  • http://sportsbybrooks.com/boxscores-never-lie-or-exaggerate-on-twitter-30011 Allenp

    On the slick, he just said that the one and done players are too stupid to go to Duke.
    I don’t know if y’all caught that or not.

  • jhook

    he’s sore cuz austin rivers left after 1 year

  • AsadSaleh3

    That’s why Duke can’t get the talent they need to compete in the NCAA tournament anymore. The choice is his. But forget college ball, Coach K is about to be coaching Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Rose, Durant, Dwight, etc in a few months.

  • @jhook Good riddance. Who cares if Sebastian Telfair 2.0 goes to the nba…

  • AsadSaleh3

    Sebastian Telfair is a point guard. Rivers is an undersized two guard, no comparison there. Say what you want about his game, he was the only guy who could get his own shot this past season on Duke’s team.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol. Personally I thought he said that one and done players aren’t as interested in school, not that they are too stupid for his school.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    It’s sad that the NCAA is running what is basically a form of modern slavery.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542782613 The White Steve Smith

    ^^^how does a free education and groupies equate to getting whipped and picking cotton?

  • bike

    Evidently, Calipari doesn’t view the one and done a monumental waste of time. However, there is a cost to KY’s formula. Cal has to put in a huge amount of recruiting time in the offseason plus start a new season from scratch. That will not net him a NCAA chip every year. To date, the probability of winning a championship with a team with that many freshmen is very low. So it’s really up to the coach and the school to set the priorities as they see fit. Always remember, there a lots of great basketball players who will never get drafted.

  • http://sportsbybrooks.com/boxscores-never-lie-or-exaggerate-on-twitter-30011 Allenp

    When people compare something to slavery it doesn’t mean there are exactly the same.
    It’s like calling a fat chick a whale.
    Everyone knows she isn’t even close to being as large as a real whale.
    Strangely, this concept seems to fly out of the window when discussing racial matters.

  • Heals

    I find it “sad” that college basketball stars don’t have a voice about paid in sports that produce incredible revenue. I find it even “sadder” 18 year-olds with immense potential can’t turn pro because they don’t swing a bat, golf club or tennis racket. I find it “depressing” that ALL scholarships are only 1 year and when coaches change schools they “clean house” with KID’s that committed to play for the previous coach…

  • Heals

    How did he slickly say that Allen?

  • 23

    first of all, slavery is a MUCH HARSHER comparison than calling someone fat. but this is not even close to slavery. nobody is forced into anything. matter of factly schools are REWARDING students who are really good at basektball by offering them a FREE education! FREE meals! FREE rooms!

  • 23

    heals, kids dont have to go to college. they can turn pro by going to the Dleague where they will be paid and have the eyes of many nba scouts. or they can go overseas and make some money there. because apparently if your not being paid to play basketball then you have no reason to play… smh come on people!

  • http://sportsbybrooks.com/boxscores-never-lie-or-exaggerate-on-twitter-30011 Allenp

    We aren’t talking about going overseas or any of that.
    We’re talking about working conditions in college where kids can have their scholarships revoked for playing poorly, but coaches get paid all of their salaries even if they get fired.
    Where getting injured means you are of no use to the school and expendable. Where a change in coaches can mean financial instability for athletes.
    Where coaches can change teams instantly, but players have to get permission to leave school and play somewhere else.
    The system is completely skewed in favor of the schools and coaches who have fought tooth and nail to prevent athletes from receiving the protections other adults are entitled to in their positions.
    The power dynamic is what breeds the slavery comparisons, not the working conditions. I can’t believe that most people don’t get the point, i think folks are being intellectually dishonest.

  • lakernation

    @Heals, I couldnt agree with you more. Its stupid that an 18 year old with talent to be in the NBA cant make that choice, but we can make the choice to join the military and die for our country at that same age.

  • bike

    If you remove some of the phraseology out of the term slavery such as forced to work, deprived of the right to leave, and deprived of the right to refuse to work, then yeah…the NCAA is a lot like slavery.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    @ AllenP, I’d have to disagree with you. I’ve had a couple of fat chicks that were dangerously close to being the size of real whales. Smaller whales, mind you, of the Beluga/Pilot variety.

  • FnF

    @23, being a slave means you don’t have the freedom to choose. All of your “decisions” are made for you or you are coerced into doing something. Slaves also received free rooms and free meals and sometimes had free education. NCAA athletes can’t choose who they want to hang out with (NBA agents). They also are exploited for the financial gain of the institutions they “work” for. You can play as all of the top college athletes in NCAA video games but those players don’t receive a dime from it. The parallels are there, but I’d agree that the conditions aren’t as harsh.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/40886/outscoring-opponents-in-the-clutch nbk

    lol at everyone who defends the NCAA. you people are a joke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Shout out to AllenP. The general sentiment with lots of folks is that players, whether in college or the pros, should be eternally grateful for their coveted situations in terms of either money, popularity or opportunity to play basketball for a living. That these adults should ask for a fair(er) share of the pie is greedy, self-serving and against our “morals” of what we would do in their place. Coach K can make millions doing commercials but a player can lose his scholarship/get kicked off the team for accepting a meal/jersey from a “booster. I know the players have the choice to sign the dotted line, but you have to be blind to think it’s fair to them.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Good point, FnF. “FREE education! FREE meals! FREE rooms!” also describes what most inmates have access to in North America.

  • Heals

    @23, it’s not about being paid to just play basketball, it’s about being paid for providing professional services for institutions that generate tremendous revenue…

  • http://sportsbybrooks.com/boxscores-never-lie-or-exaggerate-on-twitter-30011 Allenp

    At this point, certain folks just don’t want to see.
    Heals
    I initially thought he was saying that on he slick, but reading it again, maybe not. I’m not totally sure. I feel like it was on some “We recruit a different caliber of athlete here” type of thing.

  • bike

    Coach K has recruited a different caliber of athlete in the past and probably still does. He has often steered clear of certainy blue chippers because they are often the players most susceptible to recruiting violations. For example, he was leery of OJ Mayo and with good reason—look what happened to USC. He has made it clear that he avoids players that might have money problems in college for the same reason. I don’t see anything wrong with that. If a coach would rather recruit players that he feels will stay 2-3 years and/or have a higher likelihood of graduating, that’s fine. On the other hand, if a coach wants to go the UK route, that’s fine too. You can win a NCAA championship with either formula.

  • Heals

    Word Allen, I wasn’t calling you out as much as looking for clarification. I think we can agree that he certainly uses a “commodity” like POV when discussing these recruits…

  • LA Huey

    Isn’t it ironic that someone who profits from an institution that largely ignores professional aspirations of its students is whining about how the professionals ignore his concerns?
    Coach K should just man up and leave the comforts of coaching amateurs and join the big boys.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Coach K also coaches the Olympic Team. Another organization making millions of dollars off of unpaid labor. None of what he says should surprise anyone.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The NUPE

    I don’t think the NCAA should have any say on NBA activities, just like I don’t think High School programs should have say on NCAA basketball rules etc. The basic premise of slavery is that you are ‘forced’ to work without pay or choice. I don’t know how that relates to college athletes that aren’t ‘forced’ into anything and they have plenty of choices. Once choice includes taking a college scholarship which has certain rule that you must abide by (just like a NBA schoalrship has certain rules you must abide by) or they can go to the D-League, Overseas, go to college without a scholarship, or ‘hang out for a year’ until they can go to the pros. Whales have a lot of ‘blubber’/fat. Fat chicks are fat, so I the whale/fat chick concept makes sense. But slavery to NCAA scholarship – I don’t get that at all.

  • http://sportsbybrooks.com/boxscores-never-lie-or-exaggerate-on-twitter-30011 Allenp

    Again, the comparison is to the power dynamic between the two parties. One party possesses all of the power and has an immense amount of control over the other party.
    I’m not sure why this is hard to see.
    It’s not just about free choice. Kids are getting dropped from their programs without them choosing anything. They get hurt, their coach leaves the school or gets fired, the team finds a better recruit.
    That all happens. Why do people pretend they don’t know about this stuff? You try to leave the school and go to another school to play, and the team you left won’t clear you and the NCAA won’t let you play immediately.
    How does that benefit the kids?
    How did preventing four year scholarships for so long benefit the kids?
    It didn’t. Not evne a little bit.

  • gogs

    Moronic to compare college ball to slavery, You may be able to draw tenuous links but seriously by doing this your seriously not doing justice to the depravity and seriousness of actual slavery. Slavery is kids working in sweat shops globally making the uniforms, sneakers, and many other items that these “slaves” receive by the bucket load as well as an expensive education for playing a game.
    Grow up

  • hushabomb

    It should be student 1st, athlete 2nd. If people want a great education and they happen to play basketball then great. If a HS player wants to be paid for his services and play professionally then that’s also great. There is a lot more choice for a HS player now then there’s ever been. Coach Cal is just more realistic though I don’t believe you can consistently produce NBA players in 1 year. Its more like 2-3. Because Coach Dean Smith did the same thing at UNC yet they usually waited 2-3 yrs cos Coach Smith prepared them extensively for the NBA. The players he recruited were also willing to buy into the program and was able to produce wonderful players during his tenure. Coach K is a great coach and has to look out for his program. And that’s all he’s doing. If you, the HS All American, don’t feel that his program will make you a pro in 2-3 yrs then I’m sure there’s a great ACC or SEC program for you. Or maybe the D-League needs to start getting into recruiting like MLB and European basketball does

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    or maybe it’s moronic not being able to understand the comparison isn’t supposed to be a parallel?
    .
    or maybe it’s moronic to not know the difference between a sweat shop worker and an actual slave?
    .
    or maybe none of it is moronic, maybe it’s just ignorance?
    .
    and most maybe-est of them all, you don’t have to be grown up to understand these concepts….

  • http://sportsbybrooks.com/boxscores-never-lie-or-exaggerate-on-twitter-30011 Allenp

    Man, I’m through. I think cats just like missing the point. That’s cool, I didn’t even make the point, just felt like it needed to be noted.

  • gogs

    Dude you’re comparing athletes in one of the richest countries in the world, who are remunerated in kind to slavery.
    You’re doing this to strengthen your argument that student athletes are treated unjustly.
    The reality is they’re lucky especially in comparison to real slavery.
    Sorry if you took offense to the word moronic but to describe student athletes as slaves seems a massive injustice to people who are effectively slaves to provide nikes to these “slaves”
    grow up

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    nbk, lol @ “most maybe-est of them all”

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    All that free education sh*t is nonsense. Given all the money the universities and coaches make off the backs of NCAA athletes, gloating about colleges giving those athletes “free” education holds no weight in my eyes. How much is an education worth nowadays? Does it guarantee that you will be able to live a comfortable life (financially)? How many BA, MBA and PhD holders were without jobs during the recession? Come on now, keep on getting fooled by the NCAA with all that free education BS.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no gogs, we aren’t describing student athletes as slaves. We are comparing aspects of being a student athlete to aspects of slavery. I’m sorry you find using your brain to distinguish two like things that are not the same as similar as moronic. I find not being able to distinguish that they can have similarities but not be the same as moronic.
    .
    .And I also find you to be a baby.
    .And only for the purpose of making another comparison that does the exact same thing.

  • gogs

    Fair enough man, I tend to agree with most of your posts I just don’t feel they’re as hard done by as you seem to think.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i mean the comparisons that were made make perfect sense no? If someone actually called them slaves I would be right with you, but aspects of how College athletes are treated (specifically Football players and Basketball players) are unfair, and similar to that of slavery. Not the worst of slavery obviously. ANd not anywhere near severity obviously, but their are similarities. And many NCAA athletes are given the shaft by their school the moment they lose the ability to make the school money. Despite not really gaining anything. If the NCAA really had a problem with how the NBA goes about it’s entry rules and age requirements then they would create their own stipulation about scholarships….but they don’t, the NCAA would rather the NBA & NFL for that matter, force their athletes to play a year or two of amateur sports then miss out on those talents altogether. Do you think Coach K would say this if he got Kobe Bryant in 96 for just a year? Coach K is self serving, I don’t blame him, but it’s true. ANd the NCAA is the same. So is the NBA. and every other business for profit.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Take this example, I have a guy I played basketball with/against all throughout my early life, from grade school on through High School. He played 3 years of college basketball, his family didn’t make enough money to pay for college, basketball was his only way of getting a higher education. He played i think it was 2 years (he red shirted one year, and may have grey shirted another, i’m not sure, we weren’t that close) then during the summer hooping with his team – open gym, or a work-out i’m not sure either, (and the year he would be able to graduate) he tore his ACL. He lost his scholarship and was unable to finish school. Does that sound fair? He didn’t hold a job because basketball took up so much time, and he didn’t get to finish school because he lost his athletic scholarship. So he essentially wasted 3 years of his life. Basically, when he was useless to his school his education didn’t matter. So they are not students first. It’s how it is, it’s not fair, it’s similar is some (very small ways) to slavery. It is not even close to slavery, but it has similarities.

  • gogs

    Your right man, I was just being overly sensitive to use of the word slavery and failed to grasp the point you were trying to make. This isn’t meant to spark another discussion but a comparison could be made to an unpaid internship. They receive training and education that may or may not lead to future employment.
    We all know the real reason the nba wants to stop younger players joining the league is the number max contracts they’ll receive.

  • gogs

    Sorry just read your post about your teammate. completely agree something should be put into place to safe guard the future of these athletes with the school should something happen.
    The scenario you’re describing also draws parallels to the youth systems they have in place for european teams where should a player not be able to continue would be dropped.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    very similar to an unpaid internship in those ways i agree. I honestly don’t know much about the european systems or anything about how they go about treating their perspective athletes. And I completely understand why you took offense to the whole slavery comparison, it’s a very very touchy subject. I appreciate you being able to pull away from your personal feelings to see what we were trying to explain. Too often that would have turned into an argument, and I would not have been able to stop, lack of self control being what it is. So thanks :)

  • gogs

    Don’t know how to do emotocons but I’d shake your hand in person. look forward to reading more of your posts.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t really either, i just posted a colon with a half a parenthesis and that came up. You gonna contribute more? or you more of a silent reader?

  • gogs

    No I’m a reader but honestly most of the stories I have an interest in usually have your comments throughout the threads. I find you allenp and jtaylor on almost all the stories of interest all tend to have an educated vent on most of the articles I read.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Well I appreciate it, and thanks for disagreeing when you have a different POV I’d rather squash a misunderstanding then come off as moronic lol

  • T-Money

    I havent heard a compelling argument as to why the NBA should care about what the NCAA thinks.

  • Justin

    Regardless of how he meant it, a lot of people (definitely including one-and-done preferred high school seniors), are not smart enough education-wise to go to Duke. Athletically they can play basketball anywhere, but they can not cut the mustard at a school such as Duke.

  • Coach JT

    Coach K is a great coach, but he is starting to show he can no longer get the “pick of the litter”. This is not an issue of the O&D rule or the NBA, but it is the fast restructuring of the college game. You can say all you want about these O&D players at places like Kentucky, but in my 30+ years of watching college bball, I have NEVER seen 5-6 pro-like stars play so unselfishly at the expense of their own personal stats. I don’t think I have ever seen a Kentucky player take 20 shots in a game…

    The old style of basketball was to go to a program where you can be a star. Average 20+ ppg, 10+ rebounds, with a great cast of role players around you. Aka mini-NBA… This new era of players are now choosing to give up the points and the personal accolades for a shot at an NCAA title, and a 1 or 2 year opportunity to become a millionaire in the NBA. As much as it pains me to say it, Coach Cal is getting players to play like veteran 3-4 year college players who in actuality have know each other less than a year. It’s not an easy feat, and highly commendable…

  • Bawse

    Your ignorant comment Justin is well taken. Duke isnt so amazing. I know people who went there and they arent doing so well in the real world. Unless you look like the majority and or have family connections after school. Coach K is full of it. He wants to continue doing his AMEX commercials while his players sit in their dorm rooms eating RAMEN. If he cares so much about the “game” why doesnt he coach for 40K and donate the rest of his salary. He is full of it. Just wants to make his name great on the backs of others.

  • http://n/a keith

    The NCAA is an absolute hypocritical joke. They really have no incentive to change because there is so much money involved. You can like John Calipari or not but the man was absolutely right on with his recent comments. I cannot remember his comments verbatim but to paraphrase he said, It’s OK for the NCAA officials to take their families to the NCAA Tourney, stay in their fancy hotels, attend the big banquets and dinners and get the best seats in the house, all paid for by the NCAA. However I can do nothing to help the parents of the kids who are playing in the games to make it to the games. Absolute joke.

  • Dan

    What isn’t mentioned in the article and should have been, the new NCAA date of April 10th is a selfish rule that was pushed by K and ACC coaches and the NCAA adopted their rule. That is why he is upset. He pushed for the rule and didn’t realize the students were smart enough to know that it really doesn’t matter what the NCAA says, it matters when the NBA says they have to declare. What K and the ACC coaches did do was succeed in taking away college players’ chance to get evaluated a head of time by the NBA coaches and staff at “pro days” like the football players get to do.

    Shame on him for throwing a baby fit because his selfish rule didn’t work to his benefit!!!!

    Oh yeah, he’s had one and dones the last two years at PG. He also had players who had received money and should have been punished, but he is at Duke. Look at what went on with Corey Magetti… I know I butchered that spelling. But now he is getting it put to him on the recruiting trail so he is now throwing a tantrum. Kind of shows his coaching roots of being under Bobby Knight!

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