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Friday, May 11th, 2012 at 9:30 am  |  89 responses

Frank Vogel: Miami Heat ‘Biggest Flopping Team in the NBA’


The Indiana Pacers/Miami Heat series has yet to begin, and Pacers head coach Frank Vogel is already campaigning against the Heat‘s flopping ways. Per the Indy Star: “Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel always seems to have a trick up his sleeve when it comes to getting across a message. Thursday, he sent a message to the officials who will work the Indiana-Miami playoff series about how the Heat players like to flop on defense. ‘They are the biggest flopping team in the NBA,’ Vogel said. ‘It’ll be very interesting to see how the referees officiate the series and how much flopping they reward. Every drive to the basket, they have guys not making a play on the ball,’ Vogel said, ‘but sliding in front of drivers. Oftentimes they’re falling down even before contact is even being made. It’ll be interesting to see how the series is officiated.’”

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  • AsadSaleh3

    Give bulletin board material to two of the three best players in the world while you have a team that doesn’t have even one superstar. Playing against a team with two. Great strategy Vogel.

  • marchalmadness

    hahahaha come on Frank, man up!

  • RIGGS

    It’s not like he’s wrong. Also, lebron and wade gets away with a lot of stuff when it comes to the refs.

  • AsadSaleh3

    LeBron and Wade get superstar calls. Just the way it is and always has been.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Crazy how it’s a second round matchup and the 3 best players in this series are on the same team!

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    As a heat fan the only thing i want to say is.
    His last name is the dutch word for bird.
    Lame fact of the the day.

  • smoove

    i agree ….idk why they flop anyway most of the time the refs blow the wistle as soon as you even initiate ANY type of contact..

  • Heals

    Ugghhh, Frank, you’re gonna make me end up rooting Mia, shut-up and play. This from the franchise that gave us Reggie “watch the kick-out” Miller…

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    @ Rik Smits Mullet, would that make Chris Andersen “Vogelman”?

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Frank is just being frank.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Clippers. Nice try though.

  • Fred

    He’s so right

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Clippers. But Heat are close.

  • @AsadSaleh3

    Yea teams should just keep quiet. Why care right? Miami will win anyway right? There is absolutely no reason to try and get and edge with the refs. I mean the PACERS might as well not even show up.

    Why the hell would you think it’s better to NOT say anything. Wade and Lebron will be the best players on the floor, whether Vogel said anything or not. Why not say something and at least try to make sure that the refs stay in line.

    This is going to be a good series because unlike the other SOFT teams in this league they don’t back off because their up against stars. Expect to see many technicals and flagrants

  • Metrobus

    Such a cry-baby move….The games have not started yet and he already has a losing mentality. He is feeling threatened by the powerful Heat

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    @Da-Meat-Hook
    yeah thats true. it would be vogel man. but there are more dutch words as last names in the usa. prime examples are all the last names that start with “van” which means from. like van gundy would be from gundy. And the most weird one is Spoelstra thats a last name typical for the nothern region of the netherlands.
    These are all remnants from the days that new york was called new amsterdam.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @ Rik SMiths Mullet – Is a Vogel in the hand worth two in the bush?

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Thanks for the lesson, Rik Smits Mullet!

  • Mike Mihalow

    And people thought Vogel should have won Coach of the Year?
    But he is right, the Heat do flop a lot.

  • kobe

    Superstars get superstar calls nuf said.

  • R32

    Vogel just adding fuel to the fire. Miami is on a mission..

  • RunNGun

    Pacers are going to give the HEAT a run for their money. Let’s see what happens when smashmouth meets the Miami floppers.

  • TTWS3

    I thought that honor went to the Clippers. Guess I’ve gotta watch more tape.

  • jimmythesaint67

    So obviously true. Heat are desperate to avoid last years collapse. Biscayne Babies.
    But please, some ref, just man up and tech DWade one time after he bitches about missed layups/phantom fouls .. he hurts his team by not getting back AS A CAPTAIN after these plays – send a good FT shooter to the line to reiterate it.
    That’s all i have to say about that.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I’d say Miami is runner up to the Clippers. I’m looking forward to this series. I think it goes the distance.

  • AJ2nice

    Getting superstar calls is one thing, flopping (which Miami does a whole Hell of a lot of) is totally different idiots!

  • @boweezy24

    I Think Pacers Will Give em a Run, but The Refs Aren’t Going to Let It Happen.

  • @boweezy24

    There Should Be An Award for The “Best Flopping Team” Ha!

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I see a few winnable games for the Pacers.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    @iamorange4ever
    the same saying in dutch is literally translated.
    Better one bird in the hand then ten in the sky.
    @Da-Meat-Hook
    no problem. one lame fact to boot. some of the boroughs in new york are named after dutch city’s like Harlem which is named after Haarlem.
    And Brooklyn is named after Breukelen which would make the Nets
    the Breukelen nets. Keepin it real.

  • AJ2nice

    Getting superstar calls is one thing, flopping (which Miami does a whole Hell of a lot of) is totally different idiots!!!!

  • LA Huey

    Rik Smits’ Mullet dropping knowledge. Let us know whether Nets gear is sold in the Netherlands as “Breukelen” or not. I’d prolly pay good money for that.

  • ash

    Wow! I wouldn’t say there the #1 flopping team in the game. Everyone flops and all superstars get calls. Kobe,Durant, Melo, CP3..I hope this give Miami a littler bit more fuel to win

  • AJ2nice

    Kobe doesn’t flop

  • Mack

    Coaches never learn I guess… you can bet Wade Bron and Bosh heard this statement

  • Top$helf

    Yeah Kobe doesn’t flop he just cusses the ref out and throws a tantrum when the defender is nowhere close to fouling him

  • Paps77

    Love it. Call them out. Todays players are huge floppers.

  • LA Huey

    Kobe is guilty of what JVG calls the “verbal flop”.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Kobe doesn’t flop? I’ve heard it all. I’m one of the biggest LA and Kobe fans on this site and I even call BS on that retard statement.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    @la huey
    I will let you know. highly doubt it will happen though.

  • EJ

    Kobe hardly flops, he just yells every time he shoots.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    All that random arm flailing by Kobe is flopping. What you mean is that he doesn’t take charges on defense, which is true.

  • R32

    One of the biggest jump shot floppers has got to be JCrossover aka. Jamal Crawford. Kicks his legs out and automatically falls down.

  • alt

    They flop alot for as athletic a team as they are. DWade is someone that uses everything imaginable to gain the advantage. Even if his talent would indicate that he shouldn’t need to. Hard to root for.

  • Iggi

    Frank Vogel is a chicken his already asking the refs for help.
    Super-stars get super-stars calls that’s they way its been, that way it is and that’s they way it’s going to be. So man-up Chicken.

  • Iggi

    He should be fine for sending this email to the refs, I hope it works agains him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Why in the blue sh*t would you say something like this? Vogel you do realize you have some pretty dramatic floppers on your team as well? Or that pissing off a team that is already considerably more talented than yours is probably not a good idea? Oh dear. This series will at least be fun to watch.

  • shutup

    Harlem isn’t a borough the 5 boroughs are Manhattan which Harlem is a part of (or New York County), the Bronx, Staten Island (or Richmond County), Queens and Brooklyn (or Kings County). Although the Mullet does have a good point I found this fun fact ——–Brooklyn’s official motto is Eendraght Maeckt Maght. Written in the (early modern spelling of the) Dutch language, it is inspired by the motto of the United Dutch Provinces and translated “Unity makes strength”. The motto is displayed on the borough seal and flag, which also feature a young robed woman bearing fasces, a traditional emblem of republicanism.[3] Brooklyn’s official colors are blue and gold.[4]

  • Mo

    A sucker move by vogel. The pacer players need to be worried about the Heat, not about the refs making calls. Pissing the Heat players off isnt gonna work in their favor either.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    @shutup
    Didnt know about the motto thing. cool fact. The updated version in modern dutch would be “Eendracht maakt Macht”. The correct translation for the motto would be “Unity makes power”. Dont know where the republic thing comes from because we are a monarchy just like the uk. With a prime minister. Iam just really happy the Netherlands were force to trade the new york area for the country Suriname. Because otherwise hip hop might not have originated.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and Shane all flop like crazy. LeBron was the King of Flop in game 1 against the Knicks. But at the same time, they get the superstar calls and non-calls. Their reputation allows them to play “defense” and not get into foul trouble and get others into it. Truth is that the Heat are gonna take the title this year. The refs are gonna make sure of it.

  • MUBWAR

    b!ching already Vogel and the game hasn’t even started. good luck with the big 3 against your medium 2.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Yes the title is already theirs because of the refs. Makes perfect sense.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    I don’t know about flopping. Well, yeah, I do, they do flop, but does anyone noticed D-Wade almost getting his shoulder separated every game because he can’t stop reaching. Those are the fouls that are never called.

  • bike

    This is simply a head coach working the refs. Talk it up, draw some media attention to it, and it might buy you a few calls come game time. Phil Jackson was the ultimate master at planting seeds in the ref’s heads.

  • Mas

    i THINK COACH VOGEL MAKES SENSE OF HOW THE HEAT PLAY. THEY DO FLOP AND TRY TO PUSH THE REFS TO THE LIMITS OF FAIR PLAY. tHE HEAT DO NOT HAVE A ROSTER THAT CAN COMPETE WITH INDY BUT THEY DON’T HAVE THE D TO STOP #3 OR #6. SEVEN GAME SERIES i HOPE.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    ^I’ll have what he’s having.

  • Tim

    Who ever said the refs are going to make sure the Heat wins the title this year needs to shut that stuff up. And this coach really needs to be quiet because if Miami hear’s this I think they are really going to motivated and not even let your team win a game so it’s better to hush. Every body in this league do it and have been doing it for many generations so get use to it, and turth be told most of you is only agreeing to it because you know Miami is going to win and your already putting your deffense up sort of speak. We stay humble though, and hope that Miami will when the series, go to the next round and win it all. GO MIAMI!

  • MUBWAR

    Mas 7 games. hahahahahahaha i have seen all 4 heat-pacers match up this season my friend. they have shown me nothing more then a 1 game upset like the knicks. 5 at best

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    Didn’t the refs make sure that the Lakers won that series against the Kings in 2002? Come on, guy. The writing’s on the wall. Just look at the reffin’ in the series against the Knicks. It was the Knicks starting 5 against the Heat/NBA’s starting 8.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I love hearing people blame the refs. It shows so much bias against the other team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    O, you know damn well that was Tim Donahue in 2002, and he was profiting financially, it wasn’t mandated by the league. I know you are a Knicks fan so you are salty or whatever, but the refs had nothing to do with New York not standing a chance in that series.. Stop blaming refs for teams losing, it is pathetic and just reeks of a biased homerism that is insufferable.

  • LA Huey

    A Knicks fan crying cahoots about officiating must have forgot Larry Johnson’s miracle 4 point play in the ’99 ECF.

  • Neb

    Sssick, Miami doesnt even flop that bad. Look at Blake and the clippers… also Miami have fantastic players who know how to take charges! just cause they take charges doesnt make them the floppiest team in the NBA…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Co-Sign a less jack ass-ish version of nbk’s comment.
    I’ll have what T-Ray is having. As long as it’s not a Sam Adams. Gross.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    No sir Lakeshow Southern Comfort and Coke!

  • DreDay

    Since Chicago is out it seems there’s alot of folks putting Miami in the Finals and as Champions. Or it’s just alot of d*ck riding going on. Not sure….

  • LA Huey

    Also, bring up the ’02 WCF if you want but that Kings squad notoriously came up small in big moments. And that Lakers dynasty did the exact opposite.

  • http://www.slamonline.com king

    lebron and blake have had the most flagrant fouls on them and get banged up the most when they drive its only fair that they use that to their advantage.

  • http://www.slamonline.com king

    when the heat win it won’t be because of the of the refs it just means that they are better

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    Nbk, I ain’t even fronting over here, Knicks lost by they own merit. They wasn’t healthy enough or disciplined enough to hang with the Heat, but refs handed them game 1 plain and simple. The King of Flop was playing them like he did Cleveland. Just look at the foul shooting difference. “Good defense” on Miami’s part was a foul on the Knicks front. And Tim was pulling cards on the league when he got bagged, but the Angel of Stern denied it all (as well as he should have) and people just took his word at face value. You telling me Tim was/is the only rogue ref? It is what it is though. The Heatles win the ring this year and the NBA will continue to move forward.

  • Whit

    sad that vogel even has to mention this in hopes of a legit series… the NBA should be making sure these games are called even.. but in the end they don’t care… they make more money when a team like miami or la make it. i just wonder if these refs are trained to make calls in favor of the more profitable teams or if they themselves are just bias

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    O, the refs were absolutely terrible in game 1, BUT they lost by 33! The refs are why the Knicks didn’t lose by 18. They didn’t “hand” them anything.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yes, i’m telling you donahue was the only rogue ref. you can look back at every controversially ref’d/decided game over the last decade. He’s on the staff of each one of them.

  • ChipS

    This guy has Granger, Hibbert, Dahntay Jones, and Barbosa on his team! He really has the nerve to call out another team on the matter. I have to say Danny Granger is steadily moving onto my All-Time Player Hater teams. Don’t know him off the court to judge him, but on the court I can’t stand him.

  • Whit

    so why is he still allowed to ref?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    he’s not.

  • Nancye Whitney

    I was a hoosier and I love Indie basketball but come on Frank, Indiana has always been a gang and Granger is no sweetheart.

  • whit

    who were the refs game 1 and what was there excuse

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    excuse for what? what in the f*ck did the refs change about game 1? how much the Knicks got blown out by? The refs had no affect on the spread of game 1.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Wait… T-Ray ain’t you like 17?? LOL

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Lol 19 homie but everynow and then my parents let me have a glass haha
    Nbk why are you responding to that turd?

  • whit

    hahahahaha

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    LOL @ nbk for getting annoyed so bad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Red

    Pacers will lose.

  • WEH

    not saying the knicks would have won even if they weren’t plagued with stupid players and injuries.. that being said even jeff vangundy expressed how poorly that game was being called and eventually after being so disgusted refused to comment more about it.. the next game the commentators actually made it a point to state they had a new group of good officials for the game.. how often does that happen.. once again not saying the knicks would have won either way.. just making a point how biased SOME officials are

  • http://Slamonline.com Gab

    Vogels out of his mind. Flop City is the biggest flopping team.

  • Billy Hoyle Jr.

    Floppers should be ejected from the game, or foul charge them with every flop.
    Free throws against flopping should be given!
    The refs should be fined also, if charging a flop as a legit foul!

    Every “weird” play should be reviewed and replayed, for no wrong ball possessions.

    Every team has their floppers but… Miami flop all the way to the Top!

    Welcome to the circus of today, where players making fool of themselves with bad flop acting… Old school basketball was way better, with hard earned fouls,,,

    Flopping and bad calls destroy basketball!

  • BadMTHFCK

    Flopping is SISSY Stuff!!!
    I totally miss the Bad Boys era!!!
    Lets flop again boys, you can do it too!!!
    Welcome to the NBA of today

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