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Monday, May 21st, 2012 at 10:55 am  |  110 responses

Kobe Bryant Demanding More Aggression from Pau Gasol in Game 5


The Los Angeles Lakers are facing elimination in OKC tonight, and as always, are embroidered in internal team drama. After basically blaming Pau Gasol for the crushing Game 4 loss — leading many in Laker Nation to believe the partnership had at last reached its breaking point — Kobe Bryant expects the big man to look for his shot more. From the LA Times: “Their veteran star is exhausted and annoyed. Their kid center is angry and distant. Their power forward is uncertain and embattled. And their season is officially on the brink after they blew a 13-point lead in a 103-100 loss to Oklahoma City on Saturday in the fourth and perhaps deciding game of their first-round playoff series. Two games after they blew a seven-point lead in the final two minutes in a Game 2 loss, this time they were outscored by 10 in the final six minutes in front of a Staples Center crowd that was stunned into a collective gasp. The Lakers now fall behind the Thunder three games to one while falling into the trap of many failing teams. Fingers are now officially being pointed. [...] Start with Pau Gasol. Everyone is mad at Pau Gasol. His 10-point, three-turnover night was capped Saturday when he threw away a pass on what could have been the game-winning possession. ‘Pau has got to be more assertive; he’s got to be more aggressive,’ Bryant said. ‘He’s looking to swing the ball too much. He just has to shoot it.’ Gasol took full blame for the pass: ‘I could have shot it at that point, and if I could go back, I would have.’ But Gasol refused to take blame for the loss. ‘It was one play, one mistake,’ he said, ‘but there were a lot of mistakes in the quarter, a lot of mistakes in the game.’ Bryant needs to shoulder some of the blame for the fourth quarter, as some of those shots were early in the shot clock and completely unnecessary, balls that flew to the rim while Andrew Bynum stood helplessly watching. Bynum, who took just two shots in the fourth quarter and made only two baskets in the second half, is also mad at teammates. He didn’t name names, but you can probably guess that he’s not thrilled with Bryant, who took 10 of the Lakers’ 22 fourth-quarter shots. ‘I couldn’t get the ball. I wasn’t part of the game,’ Bynum said. ‘We need to slow down the game, go side to side. We can cut them to pieces. You can’t keep running the same plays.’ When asked if the Lakers practice getting him the ball, he shrugged: ‘Yeah, but once the game starts, everything changes. It should be simple. I don’t know why it’s hard for us.’”

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Pau should demand less chucking. With a Bynum co-sign.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    Kobe’s reverting back to his lone wolf days…he’s starting to become senile. Yes, Pau needs to be more assertive, but Kobe also needs to stop faltering down the stretch and share the ball more, if possible. Obviously, he should score with the shot clock winding down near the perimeter, but he also needs to convey better body language. You look at Kobe after every Laker turnover or miss and he has that “what the f*ck!” arm-swinging body language – its weird to see since the 08-10 Laker teams never acted like this even when losing. I think he just realizes the Thunder have pretty much wrapped this up and are getting desperate.

  • Yesse

    It’s funny how every blame goes to Bynum, Mike or Pau. On the Bynum part i can agree on, because he has maturity problems all the time. I don’t know why Pau is playing some bad games every once in a while. I know he can do better. As for Kobe, he should not make turnovers in the last minute and he should have been guarding KD on that last shot. Lakers would have won 3 games already if it wasn’t for their bad decisions.

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY05

    I dont mind what Kobe said here because he’s right! Gasol does need to be more aggressive BUT Kobe gotta move that rock man! Pau cant be agressive without the ball. We’ve seen this story before tho with Kobe! Hope he’s ready to go on vacation because it’s over tonight!

  • kobesBESTfriend

    maybe if these dummies would stop letting the defense front them Kobe wouldnt have 2 chuck all those shots late in the shot clock

  • FnF

    @OTB, the 08-10 Laker teams didn’t act that way because they believed that Phil Jackson would do or say the right thing to make everything feel better. Whether it was not calling timeouts or punching Pau in the chest. They just knew it was going to be okay. You look at Mike Brown and nothing about him says, “hey don’t worry. We will still win this game.”

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    more from Pau less from kobe. seriously.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So Kobe doesn’t know how to make a post entry post over a front?
    He should watch some LeBron highlights. Bron does it all the time to Wade.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Cosign Allenp
    Bron hit Wade in the post with ease when he was being fronted by a bigger Paul George. So all the dumbass Laker fans don’t give me that bullsh*t about you can’t dump it inside to Bynum when he’s being fronted. It’s all about angles and ball movement.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    but how can kobe expect pau to play so agressively in top shape when he’s not even feeling the flow of the game in the 4th because hes not getting the ball enough… and if kobe does give pau the ball in the inside, and he misses, kobe will have the mindset thinking “i got to take over myself now” and then the cycle continues over and over again… all the lakers need to do is swing the ball side to side smooth enough to get a clear pass to the inside, whether it be pau or bynum

  • AQWORD

    ^^^ cosign ^^^ . How can Gasol be agresive when Loby is in his usual zone of chucking it up & not givin 2 fux about the rest of the team but its great co i dont like the Lakers.

  • titanic

    kobe is THE WORST teammate in the history of the game. avoids any and all responsibility for losses and takes all the credit for wins. nothing is ever his fault. its the coach`s fault, pau`s fault, bynum`s fault, or the other team`s fault for being better. he is sick.

  • kobesBESTfriend

    Its World Peace and Blake that can’t make the post entry pass when the big guys are fronted so they hold the ball and when the shot clock gets down they pass it to Kobe wanting him to bail him out and its not working cuz Durant is on Kobe in crunch time…its all coaching if you ask me!and why cant Barnes and Sessions hit an open shot?

  • Marquetta

    Well it look like we’re going to win tonight, OKC THUNDER UP…..Make it 4-1, I’m from Oklahoma, and I think that Kobe is cockey, and Metta World, is Mental Ward Patient.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Little bit of everyone’s fault. No one likes that answer but its the 100% truth. World Peace was one of the only players that really just played his game.

  • jayrose

    really wasnt surprised about kobes comments. Kobe needs to man up and take blame for the game as well. Pau is right it was one mistake…although it was the game deciding mistake….but shouldnt be getting all the blame. I respect kobe’s game but dont respect his attitude when he loses. I get it that no one likes to lose but as a captain and as one of the greatest players to play he needs to step up and take blame for how the team lost. Not just call out his team mates.

  • B.C.

    Pau is getting blamed for a lot of this and it is partly his fault. Ever since he got annilated by Dirk last season he hasn’t been the same agressive non-feminine Gasol, he has gone back to the Gasol prior to 2009 that is soft and feminine, I mean what are you thinking? He’s passing up a ball to Metta World Peace in game 4 with 30 seconds to go when you have a chance to take it to the whole and get fouled and put the game away, but no he wants to pass it to World Peace which I have no idea why he would do that when he is not a consistent shooter. But he doesn’t deserve all the blame Mike Brown deserves a lot of it because he doesn’t make the right lineup changes in critcal times of the game, Laker players attitudes when Kobe leaves the game is “OMG who is gonna score now?” you can’t play like that if you want to win titles. Most of the blame should be on Kobe and I have no problem saying this even though I am one of the biggest Laker/Kobe fans. He’s been taking difficult and uneccessary shots in critical points in the game. They are up by 7 with a min and 30 to go and he’s getting doubled teamed in the corner and he’s yanking up fadaways! And on top of that he’s turning the ball over and when you do that there is no way in hell you can close out a game. But the biggest problem for the Lakers in transition defense every time OKC seems to find an open player for the easy bucket. Every time. Major changes needed in LA get Mike Brown and Pau’s feminine selve out of LA LA Land.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LOL – Good thing Kobe plays in LA. His selfish, blame everyone else nature would not go over so well in just about any other city. Except maybe New York. I absolutely cannot fathom how he thought blaming Mike Brown for him not even attempting to get the ball in the post against a front was at all rational. We were taught how to throw post passes over a front when i was a freshman in high school. There is no way you can convince me that Mike Brown had anything to do with Kobe’s lack of post passing ability/willingness.
    . That’s not to say Brown’s offensive system isn’t absolutely atrocious. Trying to turn Pau Gasol into a stretch 4, and staying with that ridiculous strategy all year should have made everyone sick of this guy a long time ago. Now it’s the playoffs, and Pau (playing on the perimeter or close to it) is suffering through criticism he is in no way in a position on the basketball court to stop.

  • http://slamonline.com Nella

    Kobe needs to stop making the game so hard. Watch some MJ tapes circa 97/98 and learn how to stop overdribbling and learn some spacing and getting to your spots. They might look similar at a glance, but their games are very different at this point.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/05/kobe-bryant-demanding-more-aggression-from-pau-gasol-in-game-5/ JMac

    Kobe is right at the end of every game Pau’s does not try to get in the play. Why would a 7 footer who is a good shooter pass the ball to a suspect 3 poit shooter. Pau has no spine.

  • T-Money

    Am I the only one that was amused by Kobe going 2/10 in the 4th and then talking about Brown, Gasol and Bynum. And his response to his shot selection? “either WE will have to free ME upforbetter shots or guys will needto be agressive”.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    To be clear, that was a complete ho move by Pau. He didn’t even glance at the rim. It was sickening in real time. But, Kobe needs to stop calling people out in public. That is an a-hole move.

  • ash

    Paul Gasol is not an agressive player n he never seems to play well with a physical defender. He’s a finesse player. Kobe doesn’t trust his teammates at all. He shoots way to much. I don’t understand why they don’t go inside and out. Even last series aginst the Nuggets, same problem. The coaching staff needs some blame too. I would look for a new coach sorry Mike Brown

  • T-Money

    Allen: granted, but that still a b-tch move by Kobe. The game wasnt lost on that isolated possession. What about you jacking stupid shots when OKC was making a run back?

  • Ill Smith

    This says a lot bout Kobe more than anybody. Maybe we’ll never know because MJ had Phil in his waning years, but Kobe HAS NOT brought the best outta his teammates whatsoever. Bynum did everything but say ‘god dayum son pass the muphuckin ball!’ Pau ain’t been feeling up to his potential since the trade fiasco & what has Kobe done to make him feel like an important piece? They need a new coach, sorry. You give Kobe too much authority & he can’t help but shoot, shoot, shoot & not give a damn bout anybody else getting theirs. Mike Brown can’t demand that respect outta Kobe that a PJ or Sloan or Pop can. As long as Brown is in charge & Kobe is running the show with no repercussions, it’s gone be rough for LAker fans.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I guess Kobe fails to understand the #1 rule in basketball when it etains to big men. Feed your bigs consistently or they won’t defend the paint and rebound.

  • BynumandGasol are overrated!

    thats not a rule the rule is you reward your bigs for defending the paint and rebounding Gasol and Bynum dont do that on a regular basis and when they do and kobe gives them the BALL WE STILL lose you cant pick and chose when u will do your job ad PF and C job is too defend and rebound first then score.

  • jay

    Kobe is reminding people that Iverson was NOT the biggest ballhog of the 2000s

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    They don’t do that on a regular basis? Bynum avg. 11.8rpg/1.9bpg and Gasol avg. 10.4rpg/1.4bpg. Try again.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Gasol & Bynum are, Clearly. Obviously. Glaringly. Plainly. Unmistakably. Undeniably. Transparently. the key to the Lakers winning.
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    Kobe is the best player, but he is not why the Lakers win or lose for more than 1 game a series.
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    And it’s indisputable.

  • Maniac

    Lol sometimes I wonder if people really watch the games and then other times i realize that people just don’t understand what they’re watching… I guess you see what you want to see

  • Riggs

    Pau’s Response: “I don’t f****** play for your approval Kobe”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Maniac, let me guess, Kobe did everything right…this is all everyone else’s fault. You think maybe you are the one seeing what you want to see? Always being in the Kobe corner and all, I think the answer is obvious.

  • The Truth

    I really think half the people on these message board don’t watch the actual games. How many of, lets say, 26 of kobes shots per game are with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock because their offense is terrible and he ends up with the ball so late in the clock. (id say at least 10 of them). And everyone saying Kobe shoots too much must not realize how painful it is as a Lakers fan to watch Gasol make a soft move and throw up garbage or Bynum to get double teamed and look like he is totally confused and has never played basketball before.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    You know I agree on Kobe’s shot selection, but to be fair, he is catching the ball at the end of the shot clock in isolation way too often.
    However, that doesn’t explain all of his problems. He plays the right way. Making smart passes out of double teams. Driving to the hole and hitting the open man.
    Then he morphs into shoot everything Kobe at the end of games. He says it’s about being aggressive, but he takes away the other players’ opportunities with his shot selection and pouting. The only players that pout as much as Kobe are Wade, Melo and Deron Williams last year. I hate players who pout and blame other people. It irks the piss out of me.
    Anyway, if they are fronting the post so much, why aren’t Lakers flashing to the free throw line and making the easy entry pass with a seal by the big being fronted? Isn’t that, and ball reversal the way everybody is taught to handle a front? The Knicks had this same problems and it was mind boggling.

  • Maniac

    Lol nbk nbk nbk… did I say that? Where in my comment did I insinuate that Kobe is perfect? To answer your question, no, Kobe did not do everything right. In fact, I told my cousin who I was watching the game with in the fourth quarter that Kobe was getting trigger happy. Like Lakeshow said, everyone deserves some blame (some more than others). The problem is that you have soooooooooo many people ready for Kobe to f*** up or making a questionable decision that it becomes World War III when he or LeBron display that they are human just like us. Geesh he simply said Pau has to be more assertive. ANYONE who disagrees with that is simply in denial. End of discussion. Was Larry Bird this oh so bad person when he called out his teammates for playing like (and I quote) “sissies”?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    In every game where the Lakers have held a lead for any amount of time, Kobe has played unselfishly during that time, and the bigs have played well.
    And then at a certain it stops. I’m certain that all of you have noticed this. Now, why it stops is clearly up for debate based on how you see Kobe, but there should be no debate that for huge chunks of most of the games the Lakers have played smartly and have done well.

  • http://wagesofwins.com/tag/kobe-bryant/ nbk

    Click my name. Read this. If you want to talk about Kobe’s shot attempts and whether they are justifiable. (yes there are sections that show Bryant in a favorable and not-favorable light).
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    If you care more about your observations than actual facts, probably don’t click my name. You won’t be happy.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    It’s a thin line between being a Laker fan and a fan of the game. You get selective perception. I am both and watch every game. Everyone is to blame for their lapses defensively and offensively. Most Kobe nut riders will blame Bynum, Gasol, Mike, the towel boy whoever. They win as a team and lose as a team it’s a collective effort. And Kobe shouldn’t be calling Pau out because we know Pau is sensitive and it might back fire and make him more tentative.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Maniac, the thing is, that isn’t all that Kobe said. That’s just all that was published in this story. He is completely right that Gasol has to be more assertive. And he is completely right that Brown has to be better at making adjustments. But he isn’t right in passing off fault on others and not taking any for himself. He isn’t right in calling out, specific people in the middle of a playoff series, especially when he is fully aware that the people he is calling out, typically do not react well to such action.
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    Kobe Bryant is supposed to be the leader of the Lakers. He is supposed to know, acknowledge, and act on what is best for his team. And WE ALL know, calling out Mike Brown and Pau Gasol is not an effective way of getting them to perform how they should.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    That’s what happens when you try to live up to the unwarranted label of being “the closer”.

  • The Truth

    Really nkb? The thunder offense allows for a lot more easy shots for Durant than Mike Browns joke of an offense does for Kobe. Not only that but Durant has 2 of the best penetrators in the league with Harden and Westbrook which sets up easy jump shots for KD. Also lets compare how many times Durant catches the ball with 5 seconds on the clock to Kobe. Two totally different styles of play. This is not a knock on KD at all because he is easily a top 3 player in the league.

  • bike

    I would hate to be in Mike Brown’s shoes right now. He has no control over what his primma donna star says or does and he can’t get these guys to play to their obvious strengths (Pau and Bynum). Kobe-chuckcity from here on out.

  • Maniac

    Jesus Christ.. Is Kevin Durant the reason the Thunder win? No, not all the time. What about LeBron? Nope. Pau is averaging 12.4 ppg on .442 field goal shooting during this year’s playoffs after averaging 13.1 ppg on .420 field goal shooting during the 2011 playoffs. He attempted 12.7 field goals per game during the 2008 playoffs, 12 field goals per game in the 2009 playoffs, 13.3 field goals per game during the 2010 playoffs, 11.2 field goals per game during the 2011 playoffs and 11.7 field goals per game so far during the 2012 playoffs so he is not receiving substantially fewer scoring opportunities now than he did during the Lakers’ recent championship run. This is Bynum’s first year of not having Luc Longley impact statistically. Outside of the big 3… the Lakers SUCK. Metta has made wonderful contributions and Blake/Sessions have had a few decent games. With Pau playing like he doesn’t give a s*** the Lakers are as beatable as any team left in the playoffs. But dare I make some sense? SMH… I’m out

  • The Truth

    Whoever thinks that giving the ball to Pay & Bynum against Perkin and Ibaka is the answer for the lakers needs to have their head examined.

  • The Truth

    Pau*

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Truth? What? What does this have to do with the Thunder and Kevin Durant? And what in the world are you even talking about? Do you have any factual information to back up your belief that Kobe’s lack of efficiency and affinity for shooting horrible shots (which seems to only really happen at the end of games this post-season) is a result of the end of a shot clock? When in his career has that ever been a usable excuse for his style of play? When?
    .
    And the Thunder and Lakers run equally horrible offenses. I don’t know what you are watching to think one creates better looks than others. The Thunders offense is more effective because they have better offensive players. Not because one offensive system is superior to the other.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Why do people act like Kobe is the only star player that has to take shots with the clock winding down. LeBron does it, Melo does it, Dirk does it, Rose does it, CP does it. Why is it hard for people to admit that despite all those skills, Kobe at times, displays extremely low basketball IQ. That’s the only explanation for why the guy thinks it’s a better idea to take a fadeway 25 footer over two defenders than to work the ball inside where his bigs have the advantage.

  • rand33p

    omg….ya’ll realize Bynum was never in position to receive the ball? and Pau was passive as heck…criticizing Kobe basically means ur a BASIC fan .. chucking? get outta here

  • Maniac

    The key to being a leader is that there is no one true way to lead… Anyone with real leadership experience knows that. Kobe’s leadership (co-leadership with Shaq) has lead to five rings in seven finals appearances. Am I a big fan of how Kobe leads? No, not all the time, but how dare I judge what has been immense success. How dare you? Everyone can’t lead like a Russell, Magic, or Duncan (Jordan sure couldn’t either) … Kobe isn’t superman anymore, Drew is not the super dominant center that some people are convinced that he is, Pau is soft… extremely soft, the supporting cast is probably the worst among contenders (idk which is worst between them and the Heat), and the coach isn’t Phil Jackson… the result is what has unfolded before I eyes this short season… plain and simple

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Phil Jackson.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Kobe’s unwillingness to get his teammates involved is the reason why the Lakers are down 3-1 instead of being up 3-1. You can not sit there and try to place the blame on Bynum or Gasol after Kobe’s 4th qtr showing in 2 of the last 3 games.

  • DerekG

    I’m a big Kobe fan (I went out in Kobe shirt, shoes and pants on Saturday night) but I like good basketball more! He’s my guy but if he can’t get with the programme he should sit! Mike Brown needs to grow a set and sit this dude if he can’t get the best pair of skilled 7 footers involved!

    *sigh* That really hurt to say :(

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t like players calling people out through the media. Any player. And Pau was pissed the last time this happened. But, he also came out and had a monster game against Denver the next game, so who knows.
    Bynum is the same player he’s always been. I saw some plays the past few games where Kobe did some great stuff from a team perspective. Manufacturing buckets for other folks. But, obviously, that’s never been his real strength, or where his mind lies as a player. That’s just the bottom line.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    (Just an example)
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    Phil Jackson, Jan 3, 2011
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    “Kobe had to screw up the game and start energizing the team by going one-on-one,” Jackson said. “That takes the rest of the guys out and as a consequence, that didn’t bring us back in.”
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    Kobe Bryant, Jan 3, 2011
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    “We’ve had days off and blown teams out, so I’m not buying any of that Zen (bulls–t),” Bryant said. “I think we’re looking too far down the road instead of looking just at the game that’s right in front of you. You start skipping steps if you look too far down the line.”
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    For a guy who is your leader, Kobe Bryant sure has a history of disrespecting his coach. Who is actually the teams leader.

  • The Truth

    nbk you obviously don’t watch every Lakers game. I’m pretty sure Kobe knows more about basketball than any of the coaches he had, with the exception of Phil. And I’m still amazed by the people that think Drew and Pau have such an advantage over Perk and Ibaka. They are 2 of the best defensive bigs in the game. I’m just not seeing it.

  • shutup

    Good read NBK I just added a new bookmark to Chrome , thank you. So who thinks the Lakers can pull this win out tonight? Hope Kobe got his superman undies on, he might wanna ask to borrow Bron’s after the performance he put on yesterday.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Kobe seems to be a miserable soul, man.
    Don’t be surprised if all his teammates conspire against him privately, and quit on him. Blatantly.
    Blown out by 35.
    Kobe ends up being the only Laker who even attempts a shot the entire game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah right Philo, Kobe is a grrrreeeeeaaaaatttttt leader. His teammates love how he interacts with the media, they love his demeanor when they fail, and they would take a bullet for him just because of his generosity. Obviously he leads by example as well, which is why they have never quit on him before.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^Word.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    2004- they lost in the NBA Finals 4-1 to the Detroit Pistons.
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    2006- they lost in the first round of the playoffs to the Phoenix Suns after having a 3-1 series lead. (Kobe shoots 3 shots and scores 1 point in the second half, after scoring 23 in the first half on 13 shots)
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    2007- Phoenix knocked them out again with a 4-1 first round win.
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    2008- the Lakers make it to the Finals to face the Boston Celtics, but lose in Game 4 after having a 24 point lead and then got blown out in Game 6 131-92.
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    2011- Swept by Dallas, with a whopping 122-86 loss in game 4.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Those are the Lakers major failures. Kobe has presided over some epic failures in his career. Aside from that 2007 loss, the Lakers under achieved at some point in the post season, in epic fashion. So I’m sorry if I don’t buy into the “Kobe is a great leader” belief.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Never believed Bryant was/is a great leader.
    He’s shown flashes at times.
    Great player, obviously. Lousy leader, in my opinion.
    Iverson the same. But, at least Iverson doesn’t consistently kill his comarades on the mic.
    Tim Duncan is the best leader of his generation. Quiet. Solid. One of the great team leaders in NBA History.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    People fear what they don’t understand. Hate what they can’t conquer. I guess that’s just the theory of man. Long live The Black Mamba.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    Not for nothing, Jordan was, by all accounts, just as bad if not a worse teammate than Kobe. But people love him. Of course.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Nah.
    Mike NEVER killed his troops in public.
    He’d jab the sh!t out of a guy in practice, though. lol

  • http://www.google.be/imgres?q=NO!+meme&um=1&hl=nl&sa=N&rlz=1C1AFAB_enBE454BE454&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&tbnid=L3l0ZW3D5dDSDM:&imgrefurl=http://forthesakeofscience Max

    Pau had to be more agressive on that last play with 30 seconds to go, I mean a wide open shot from him just outside of the bucket?
    But instead he tries to pass the ball to MWP..

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    Yeah, it’s not like he called Bill Wennington, Luc Longley, and whatever other 7-footer they had on the team “21 feet of sh*t” to a reporter or anything, lol. And you’re absolutely right, lol, I’d rather someone call me out in public than punch me in face in private.

    Bill Cartwright threatened to break both of Jordan’s legs because he was such a jerk. Can’t say that’s happened to Kobe.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    I wouldn’t say Jordan was worse but he wasn’t by any means an ideal teammate his first few seasons. The difference between him and Kobe is that there was at least an improvement over the years for Jordan.

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com chiqo

    embroidered?

  • lakernation

    Yeah Pau get your bleeping MIND RIGHT BIOTCH!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jordan was hard on his teammates. Harder on them then Kobe was. But Jordan also never gave up on his team. And Jordan never blamed someone else for why he was unable to win. Which, I believe, are major issues with Kobe as a leader. Issues that make his other leadership qualities more hypocritical than genuine.
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    If that makes sense.
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    And I am not among the group that includes Jordan on the list of great leaders all time, he benefited from the same thing as Shaq, & Kobe. He had Phil Jackson. Who was the offset to his stars. Which is why he’s the greatest coach of all-time.

  • bike

    In Phil Jackson’s book ‘The Last Season’ he provides some major insight into Kobe the person behind closed doors. He attacked any teammate that so much as even uttered something negative about him to the media. Kobe would go ballistic in the locker room and in practices over any negative comment regarding him or his play. You get the impression it was fear, not respect, that dictated Kobe’s relationship with his teammates.

  • lakernation

    @nbk who do you believe is a great leader?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bill Russell, George Mikan, Bill Walton, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Joe Dumars (as a player), Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwan, Jason Kidd. Off the top of my head.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and Oscar Robertson. given all the various hate he had to deal with.

  • lakernation

    and nbk i clicked on your name and all it shows is a kobe hater posting some bullsh** like its credible based on his perception. WHO CARES!

  • shutup

    Co-sign Philo that is why I have Tim Duncan higher on my all-time list than Kobe, that and the fact that Tim Duncan was head and shoulders a better on defense. I think Magic is probably the best leader the NBA has ever seen.

  • shutup

    No Isiah Thomas NBK?

  • shutup

    I was also surprised to see no Walt Frazier on your list, your affinity for his is well documented.

  • JL

    Can’t Kobe just pretend there are 5 quarters to a game and just keep playing his first 3 quarter game instead of his take over shoot half my team’s shots and miss 80% of them cuz the other team is totally keying in on his selfish behavior? And for those blind kobe fans out there, you’re not a real fan if you don’t understand his shortcomings. You love the good with the bad. Stop blaming other people when stuff goes wrong.

  • lakernation

    I guess none of those players you’ve mentioned had failures…. off the top of my head magic johnson lost to the bulls in the finals, tim duncan has failed numerous times against the lakers, jason kidd got swept in the finals hakeem olajuwan only one two rings im pretty sure he had some failures in there somewhere. larry bird lost some finals against magic…. I’m not understanding why everyone rags so hard on Kobe maybe its because of all the social media out there. Im pretty sure if internet was out back then like it is today we would see much more of their failures documented. Im not saying kobe is perfect but he’s really no different than any other superstar out there. STOP WITH THE HATE!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Walt and Isiah were great at leading by example. But I simply just don’t know enough about how they interacted with teammates.
    .
    - I know Frazier was fond of attention, and was even upset about not receiving Finals MVP in 1970 (which is understandable after losing the award to a guy who didn’t play in game 6, and only hit 2 shots in game 7 especially after he went for 36 and 18 in game 7….against Jerry freaking West).
    - I really just don’t know enough about Isiah as that team’s leader….but I do know that Joe Dumars was great for everyone, and as far as i know, was more of the locker room leader than anyone else. But I could be wrong, I was 3 years old the last time they won a title. So I only know what i’ve read and heard about in replays.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lakernation, every player fails. it’s not about if they fail. It’s about how they handle failing.

  • shutup

    fair enough. Always was a fan of Joe Dumars (the player)

  • lakernation

    @nbk, I gotcha! He does tend to upset Lakers fans at times with his bad habit of forcing up bad shots and then act like its not his fault but at the same time he’s KOBE! I’ve learned to take the good with the bad and I have to say that I am satisfied with what he has done for the Laker organization….. i mean the lakers have been relevant for as long as he’s been playing minus the 05-07 seasons. More good years than bad years is a plus for me, hell you cant win them all and every dynasty must fall.

  • http://slamonline.com nk

    LN, I am totally happy with Kobe’s career. He has been amazing. Every player has issues, either with their game, leadership, attitude, or otherwise. I just don’t support people acting like he doesn’t. Or defending him when he is clearly in the wrong. That’s all. And that’s where my comments are coming from.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LN, I am totally happy with Kobe’s career. He has been amazing. Every player has issues, either with their game, leadership, attitude, or otherwise. I just don’t support people acting like he doesn’t. Or defending him when he is clearly in the wrong. That’s all. And that’s where my comments are coming from.

  • lakernation

    @nbk im tracking bro!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    me too shutup, Joe D was great.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That 21 feet of crap comment is often cited. He made it to a photog, not a reporter, and it was an off-color aside, not a public comment at press conference.
    But, whatever.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, how was Isiah in the locker room? You typically no more Isiah info then anyone else…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    They say Oscar’s teammates were afraid of him, and largely didn’t like him. To be fair.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah I mean, I have heard stories about how Oscar demanded everyone be perfect. But he was consistent. And his teammates hated failing him. I couldn’t expect him to be a pleasant person with the way he was treated with racism being as prevalent and aimed at him as it was (or so i’ve read). Which is why i said, “Oscar Robertson. given all the various hate he had to deal with.”

  • http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7684533/the-big-o-had-plenty-game-plenty-chips-shoulder nbk

    but given that i just read this grantland story (click my name) about Oscar, I would like to formally remove him from my list.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well, we know the story about Isiah stepping up for Rodman and we know Aguirre was his boy.
    But I also heard a hilarious story about how much Adrian Dantley hated him.
    A reporter asked Dantley about divisions in the locker room after a loss, and Dantley said something like “Yeah there are some people in this locker room I don’t like… Like that guy (pointing at Isiah) I hate him.”
    That’s the story I heard.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah, it seems like Isiah is loyal to his friends. The Jury on him as a team leader is still out though..

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Why was Isiah left off the ’92 Dream Team??

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3796/isiah-thomas-wasn-t-on-the-1992-dream-team nbk

    - Via TrueHoop –
    .The biggest controversy involving the selection of the 1992 Dream Team was the omission of Isiah Thomas, who had been on the 1980 Olympic team and had been on championship teams at Indiana in the NCAA and Detroit in the NBA. Thomas was popular among fans, but not so much among opponents, including several members of the Dream Team, most notably Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Karl Malone.
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    When John Stockton had a stress fracture in his leg in the qualifying tournament, some U.S. team officials wanted to replace him. Stockton fought it and made the trip to Barcelona for the Olympics.
    .
    It was widely thought that Thomas would have been the replacement. Not so said one key team official. “The phone number that was asked for was Joe Dumars’,” the official said. “If Stockton couldn’t have played, Dumars would have replaced him. Not Isiah.”

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Thomas definitely wasn’t amongst the most liked superstars of his day. That All-Star incident with guys allegedly “freezing him out” was probably the first time it became apparent to the public that he wasn’t “one of the guys” amongst the other stars.

  • shutup

    I always thought that Jordan said he wouldn’t play if Isiah was on the team.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Thanks for that Grantland article nbk. That was a good read.
    Sometimes I feel bad for Isiah. I always go back to not feeling bad for him though…

  • j.king

    just like magic johnson said how can pau gasol be aggresive when he’s 18 feet away from the rim or always setting picks for everyone else.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @Simon Caine:
    You’re right. I forgot about all of that. I should have remembered the Cartwright quagmire.
    I concede on that part…

  • Hobbes

    Pau is sick of playing alongside of him I bet. Kobe is a dickhead.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    “But, but Kobe also had 40+ last night!
    See, he’s better than Lebron. He’s the true MVP.
    A born leader, if *insert any Lakers’ player name here* can’t help, then he has to take 33 shots!
    Kobe 4eva!!”
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    Kobaholics after Game 5.

  • IamYOU

    @Darksaber because Kobe’s a ballhog?

  • shutup

    Ok all the talk about Kobe has to stop till next preseason. Thank You Laker fans for your input. I just wanna wish Maniac, Lakernation and The Seed a happy vacation. BOOK IT!!

  • Hobbes

    I predict Lakers won’t make it to the 2nd round next year.

  • joe

    Kobe doesnt Make teammates better he shot 42 % during series and had 0 asst in last game and makes his teammates scared to shoot. He will never win without phill because selfish and phill masses him run the play. Artest even said teammates aré scared to shoot cuz of Kobe. And how did he make 2nd team defense. Wade was top 5 steals and top 25 in blocks.

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