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Tuesday, May 8th, 2012 at 9:26 am  |  134 responses

Post Up: Clippers In Command

Lob City outlasts Memphis in overtime to go up 3-1 and San Antonio completes the sweep.

Spurs 87, Jazz 81 (SAS wins 4-0)

Get out the brooms, everyone. The San Antonio Spurs got redemption after an early first-round exit last year as a No.1 seed with a sweep of the Utah Jazz, taking Game 4, 87-81.

“We always want to win. You always want to go as far as you can, and of course last year was frustrating. It’s always hard when you go home after the first round,” said Manu Ginobili in comparing each of the first-round series over the past two years. “But like I said many times, last year the Grizzlies played better than us. When that happens, you can’t do much but shake their hands and congratulate them and get ready for the next season. I think we played better this year. We didn’t let them (the Jazz) get in the game. We played very solid basketball. We didn’t play an opponent as good or as sharp as Memphis was last year.”

In a relatively poor offensive night for the San Antonio’s starting lineup, the Spurs’ bench picked up the slack, outscoring Utah’s bench 57-10. Manu Ginobili led the charge with 17 points off the bench. Despite finishing with just a 37 percent field goal percentage, San Antonio continued its hot shooting from behind the arc—shooting 45 percent in the contest.

Utah competed hard throughout the contest, as they cut a 21-point lead to 83-79 with a minute left to play. But the Jazz ran out of gas in the closing seconds. Al Jefferson had a great game, scoring 26 points and grabbing 10 rebounds.

“Looking at it from the beginning of the game I thought that our guys showed a lot of class as they have done all year—just continued to fight, Said Utah coach Tyrone Corbin. “Our backs were up against the wall right from the beginning. If we win, lose or draw, we are going to give everything we have.”

While Utah has a young team that showed a lot of promise for the future, the seasoned vets were just too much for them in this series. San Antonio will get some rest now as they await the winner of the Memphis-L.A Clippers series. —Christian Mordi (@mordi_thecomeup)

Clippers 101, Grizzlies 97 (OT) (LAC leads 3-1)

There’s this big, hazy cloud over last night’s Clippers-Grizzlies game and it’s distracting us from how good Chris Paul is and how we should all be buying his shirts and shoes and jars of sweat for cloning purposes. So let’s address it right away.

Blake Griffin was very gently caressed a couple of times by Memphis’ big men—from Zach Randolph to Marc Gasol to Mike Tyson’s Punchout character Hamed Haddadi—and fouls were called. They weren’t fouls, and Blake pretended like the sun had fallen on him.

It was probably enough to swing the game, to keep Gasol off the floor (he had four fouls and two shot attempts entering the fourth quarter), and to get the Grizzlies out of rhythm and desperate for big men solutions. This set of refs probably coddled Blake a little and fed into his bad flopping habit.

But he also scored 30 points on 10-15 shooting and exhibited real, human post moves for the first time in his NBA postseason life. The fouls had to do with almost none of it. This was enough to keep the Clippers afloat while Vinny Del Negro made bad decisions waiting for Chris Paul to do his end-of-the-game thing.

The Clippers won 101-97 in overtime. Los Angeles is a win away from trying to make the Spurs feel all sad and deflated by their spryness in the West Semis.

Oh, it seems like we jumped right over the overtime part, but it wasn’t much. The Clippers were up 10 with 5:11 left. Memphis snuck back in it in that very Memphis kind of way. (“Wait, they’re down 6?”)

It wasn’t until Mike Conley hit his pull-up 3 with 2:59 left that you saw what kind of day he was having. Dude netted 25 points so quietly you’d need to get NASA involved to remember any of it.

Rudy Gay jumped in and tried to out-Chris Paul Chris Paul. Nobody out-Chris Pauls Chris Paul, obviously, but he pretended not to know this.

Rudy hit an unbeatable contested jumpshot with 35 seconds left. It tied the game. It was only unbeatable for nine seconds, though. CP skipped the breaking of Tony Allen’s ankles and just cut them off altogether at the free throw line.

He got a free layup with 27 seconds left in a tied playoff game. The guy would like you to pay attention to how painfully good he is.

Zach Randolph tied it with free throws on the other end. There was an overtime, but it was just a series of sequences that ended in Chris Paul getting more points. He had eight in overtime. Almost all on contested jumpshots.

Blake contributed four more. He showed off a couple of post moves. It wasn’t much, but it was effective when he wanted it to be. It was something. And something is scary.

Here’s why: This game went to overtime and it never felt like it was in danger the entire second half. Not once. Whatever the Memphis did, it felt like CP would do the same thing by himself, plus two.

Thing is, a lot of people knew he was going to be the best player in the West in these Playoffs. And this is still making us all look stupid and unprepared.

The closest analogy is Dirk Nowitzki last year. The next closest analogy is Michael Jordan. I’m not getting carried away. —Ben Collins

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  • Surreal

    So much for Christian Mordi’s prediction that the Jazz would beat the Spurs. In your face!! Next time let somebody who actually knows the Spurs write the series previews.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Blake Griffin got hit alot last night, but man did he respond. I was waiting for the real BG to show up not that he played poorly the previous 3 games just not as good as he can be. Really curious to see how the Grizzlies respond in game 5, I think the clips will actually close them out. Either way I’m impressed by the 3-1 advantage the Clippers hold, many people do/did consider Memphis the superior team after all.

  • tonyknorr

    Chris Paul was surgical last night and he is the best point gaurd in basketball right now (although Rondo has been pretty hard to overlook lately), however he did completely botch the last possesion of regulation, so he did leave himself a little room to improve. It must be said however that nobody wants it with San Antonio right now.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Clippers-Spurs will be an interesting and fun series to watch when it gets here. Chris Paul shows up in LA and completely turns around the Clippers franchise. Incredible. And with Billups on the sidelines acting as an assistant coach, it helps him and the rest of the guys a lot.

  • whooo!

    Chris Paul’s after woo is just incredible. Memphis needs to just force other guys to beat them, cuz they have no chance against him, despite having the best potential players you could hope for with Allen, Conley, and Mayo.

  • whooo!

    And I think this series still goes 6. The next series will be of epic flopping proportions though… Chris Paul and Blake flopping against another master in Ginobili. I pity the refs…

  • whooo!

    And by “after woo” I meant “sheer will”. dyac.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    I saw two of those fouls where Blake was acting like he was assaulted. He makes it really hard to root for him. I wanted Memphis to pull this one out so badly but they have no answer for Paul. Mayo started out aggressive on him and Paul pretty much schooled him. Damn Griz. Maybe next year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sadly Chris Paul is better than everyone on Memphis’ team. Randolph isn’t completely healthy (No way Reggie Evans bothers a healthy Zach) and the Grizzlies blew a game they should have won that would have changed the complexion of this series.
    That Game One loss was a killer for the Grizz. I’ll be sad to see them go, and I’ll be sad to see that roster broken up this summer.
    Such is life.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    As much as I love CP… I kind of need the clippers to lose so memphis can give san antonio serious problems… hopefully knocking them out. i don’t think any other team has as much of a good mix of talent and coaching as memphis honestly. Everybody else just has incredible talent w/ a boneheaded coach(Lakers,Thunder,Heat,Clippers, Knicks) from there I was kind of hoping LA took memphis out or something and played the heat. I don’t know I just don’t trust the lakers against the spurs, Popavich will go all Keyser Söze on mike brown and then trap Eric Spoestra in own dreams inception style smmfh… I DO NOT want the heat to see the spurs in the finals.

  • Andrew Woods

    Jesus, after watching cp tear through through first round I yearn for a thunder clippers matchup with a passion. Westbrook and Chris Paul??? Beautiful

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    HA!!! I predicted this last night! Clippers or Memphis, doesn’t matter because they will eventually fall to the Spurs. But supa dupa mad props to CP3 and Blake, they played big. And again, CP3 vs. TP will be a great match-up once more.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Once again CP is dominating the first round, the difference between this year and last is that he has a more talented team.

  • tuxo

    I second everything that surreal say.

  • tuxo

    I second everything that surreal said.

  • LA Huey

    I got no faith in the Clippers but CP3 is an effing marvel to watch.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    CP > your favorite’s PG favorite’s PG.
    The man reminds me so much of Isiah Thomas.
    The Jazz should get rid of AJefferson (one-dimensonal) and DHarris (not a true PG). Start DFavors and hope GHayward/Alec Burks develop over the summer.

  • feez_22

    Hardly anyone gave a chris paul led team a chance vs. the grizzlies, including myself. Hardly anyone will give a chris paul led team a chance vs. the spurs… well that doesn’t include myself. I think the clippers can take the spurs. However, 2 things need 2 happen. 1: Vinny del negro has to stop being stupid playing mo williams at the end of games. Either foye or young. thats it. Ginobili will tear up mo williams and mo won’t be able to respond offensively. so ya… lets not even go there with that stupid rotation. I know vinny will try to play mo and it might cost the clippers a game they can’t recover from.
    2: No one is talking about this. I don’t know why… but it needs 2 be addressed. The utah jazz’s front court played fantastic vs. the spurs. Maybe except for game 2, the spurs frontcourt couldn’t mess with an unersized frontcourt of millsap and jefferson. What does that tell me? They are very susceptible at thoes positions. especially at their starting spots. The clippers on the other hand have major size and athleticism at those positions. The clips have rebounding as well. K-Mart, Griffin, Jordan and Evans or Duncan, Diaw, Splitter and Blair? I think i would have to go with the clippers dominating the boards.
    3: That brings me here to my final point. The jazz didn’t win a majority of their games because their guard play was pathetic. utterly pathetic. devin, hayward, etc etc couldn’t do anything. it was atrocious to see. This is why i think the clippers have a chance. Chris paul, nick young, randy foye, bledsoe (when he’s not off his rocker)… thats a good guard rotation. Undersized a little but good nonetheless. If the clips can dominate the boards and turn this into a track meet (which they have been doing against the grizzlies) they can win v. the spurs. Or at least it can be really competitive. i don’t see the spurs as indestructible. they have some obvious flaws that will be exposed come round 2 regardless of the team (clips, grizz) they face.

  • feez_22

    btw sorry for saying “2 things need 2 happen” and then typing 3. i got carried away lol.

  • CDaTyrant

    Grizz makin me look stupid again, jus like last year. SMDH. Least my spurs won. anybody else still feel a bit iffy about da clips? Excluding CP3 of course

  • T-Money

    the problem with memphis is that they had a clear identity last year: ground and pound. they were maiming you inside all game with z-bo and gasol, hawking you on the perimeter with conley, tony allen, sam young and shane battier, and oj mayo would come in off the bench and get loose. now with rudy gay back and z-bo slowed down… i don’t know what they are. / oh, and this is why cp3 is the best pg in the nba and a top 5 player for me. he makes any team better. make no mistake, this clippers squad is raggedy as eff with major, major holes. they have zero size on the wings, very poor defenders and no low post scoring. the other day, they closed the game with cp3, bledsoe, nick young, griffin and reggie evans. that’s a sorry closing line up. cp3 just makes it work.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    It hilarious watching the Gasols get outworked, outmuscled, outhustled and out-toughed by smaller dudes on the post. Don’t know what it is but they both seem to fold Cotto before Mayweather. Pekovoich and Zaza on the other hand thrive in these situations if the refs let them play on.

  • Zabbah

    What surreal said. I have no problem with a sports writer getting a match-up prediction wrong – it’s just as much fun to read what he got wrong than what he got right (i don’t mean that in a mean spirited way; just that the fan in me loves to hear differing opinions).
    But Christian Mordi wrote like he never watched a Spurs game this season. That’s all I’m saying.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Watching CP absolutely break Tony Allen near the end of regulation was awesome…I don’t now why, but TA bothers me…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    ^^^^^That was me^^^^^ please fix this slam…it has been happening for years.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Clippers are illustrating why I never saw this Memphis team making it further than the WCF at most. They don’t have anyone to defend athletic bigs. They really aren’t that good of a shooting team, yet they rely on jumpers a little too much. And their go-to guy is a post player who would rather shoot a mid-range jumper than create something near the basket. This is not too say they aren’t a very good team, it’s just some weaknesses that I couldn’t see them overcoming at some point during the playoffs.
    .
    Other than that, Mike Conley is making another jump, he’s going to be even better next season. I didn’t think that would happen, but it’s gonna. I wonder how that team will look next season, this off-season is huge for that franchise.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Grizzlies* MY BAD.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually NOT my bad. I mean The Clippers. HAHA good morning everyone.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Haven’t had that first cup of coffee yet aye nbk?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol actually no i haven’t, got called into work early.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    I completley forgot Rudy Gay was a post player. feels like he’s been in the league for a while…. I remember thinking he’d be an all star very soon a couple years ago. now it feels like it might be a while.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Lol I figured. I never really had high hopes for this Grizzlies team this season due to the fact that last years team was very different. They had a healthy Z Bo, Shane Battier, and no Rudy Gay. Agreed that Conley is a bright spot for the future.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ehh I shouldn’t have really said Post player. I should have said Wing. COFFEE is needed.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    nbk get your a$$ to the break room or Starbucks.

  • AsadSaleh3

    Chris Paul has a more talented team around him this season than in 08 when the Hornets got beat by the Spurs in the 2nd round in 7 games. I’d love to see him go against them with a better group with him this time around.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Like I said, if Zach was the real Zach, this might be a different series. At multiple points during last night’s game, the Grizzlies did not know where to go to get a bucket.
    Taht never, EVER happened last playoffs. We knew who was getting it, and it was a good decision. Last year’s fatal flaw was a lack of perimeter shooting around ZBo and Gasol. This year, ZBo just wasn’t right. He couldn’t abuse Blake or Evans like he should have. He was rushing and looking flustered on the block. He never looks flustered on the block.
    So credit should be given to Evans, but we should realize that he had a major knee injury this year and that takes a while to come back from. I just worry that with Memphis near luxury tax territory the team will get worse next year, not better as they try to cut salary.
    And I too was impressed with Conley. I’ve never seen him take and make as many off the dribble jumpers as he’s taken and made this series. That was the biggest weakness in his game, followed by finishing at the rim. If he handles those two issues, he’s a problem because he can do everything else very well.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok i’m strapped.

  • http://slamonline Brion

    I gotta admit, the Clips are making me look like a jacka**. I was telling all my friends “look out for Memphis”. Its not over but damn.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    OH and Chris Paul is the best PG in the league. And has as much command on a game as any PG since Jason Kidd in 2003.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    When you watch other playoff teams, you see that their level of play has risen well above regular season. Then you look at the Clippers play. Honestly, if CP doesn’t initiate and control the offense, they look like a JV team. Even with Paul sometimes, maybe it’s me, but they just look…unpolished. Less said about the Grizz offensive mentality, the better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I read on TrueHoop that Gregg Popovich openly was asking his staff if it would be better for the Spurs to lose a game. He also doesn’t like having 20 point leads in the first half. That’s got to be a unique quality among coaches.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    i’m gonna start calling chris paul Napolean: tiny, feisty, and a great leadership in battles.

    —–

    also, who would have thought out of that 2006-07 Ohio State team, Conley would have the most successful NBA career?

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    nbk: after following Pop for so many years, that bit of info does not surprise me one bit. this man is a genius.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    albie, yeah, i’m not really surprised as much about Popovich feeling that way as i am that his thoughts on the matter were relayed to the media.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’m surprised the Clippers are doing this to Memphis, but not surprised at Memphis crumbling. A couple weeks back when everyone was saying “seriously, watch out for the Grizz” I had mentioned that, yes, they were a admiral opponent, but they are also massively flawed and had no business getting past the 2nd round. First round out is quicker than I thought, but i’m glad because I feel the Clippers have a better chance at having a more exciting series and I actually think they are the more talented team overall.
    Paul is the best PG in the NBA. We all knew that we just had to wait for him to be in the playoffs again to show us.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @nbk: was it direct quote from Pop? or did someone snitch? hehe

    speaking of Pop and CP3, i wonder what kind of scheme the Spurs will have to contain/slow down Paul. Parker can’t guard Paul, but Paul can’t guard Parker either.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I think Pop will use the hack a Jordan and hack a Blake.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    someone “snitched” lol – even though it’s not really snitching per say.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Paul can guard Parker allot better than Parker can guard Paul. Paul is also a threat to do more than Parker is able to. Triple double. 15+ assists. Great defense. 3 point shot. All things he has on Tony.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    How the hell does Marc Gasol take 8 shots the entire game? Randolph 11? Rudy Gay is nice though; it’s just baffling to me that a legit 7 foot center, with Gasol’s frame, can be that passive in the fourth quarter. He gets pushed off the block like his brother, even though he’s about twice as wide as Pau. Marcie Marc needs to step up because he was their X factor all year, and last.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Man this series could have been 3-1 for the Grizz but because of the Grizzlies play and cp3 at the end of games, I have to endure sh*t talking from my friends all day long..

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Max me too. All these “Clipper fans” in LA are getting on my nerves. But on the bright side they’ll be a lot of sprained ankles for when everyone hops off the wagon.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Co-sign T-Money. Remember I was the one that called it a few months back that Memphis will go through an identity crisis and it’s happening at the worst possible team. RGay took 25 shots last night to ZBo’s and MGasol’s combined 15, that should never happen regardless of ZBo not being 100%.
    Also, TAllen fouled out seconds into OT, so Mayo was the one out there guarding CP not TA. I doubt CP gets such clean looks with TA on him in OT.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    possible *moment*

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Taylor, Yeah it was something we all could foresee a little bit. Last years Grizz was much different. No R-Gay, Battier was in the fold, Z-Bo was a freight train. This year they have the talent, but not the same camaraderie and offensive purpose.
    T-Ray the locals are making it unbearable around these parts with that Clipper non-sense. You get outta the 1st round for the first time in what? Ever? and all the sudden your the gosh darned champs of LA? GTFOH! haha…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I actually don’t think that the Clippers have any business matching with this Grizz team. The power they now yield, can only come from one place….
    THE BEARDS!!!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    nvm meant 4 shots. That’s even worse…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3TInoIE5hg LakeShow

    Teddy that’s the 2nd best Center in basketball doncha know??

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Haha tell me about it Lakeshow they’re getting carried away. I hope they make it to the WCF so we can eat them alive.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3TInoIE5hg LakeShow

    Chomp, chomp… GOOD BYE!
    Clips don’t stand a chance against anyone with comparable talent. Lakers will devour Flop City.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    It’s ridiculous. My poli science professor was trying to tell me they’re better than the Lakers. What?! The only reason I didn’t argue in front of the class is cuz I didn’t wanna make him look like a dumbass then get an F in the class lol

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3TInoIE5hg LakeShow

    LMAO! shoulda taken the F.
    Bynum>>Jordan
    Gasol>>Griffin
    MWP/Matt Barnes>…
    Kobe Bryant>Clippers team
    Ramon Sessions<<<CP3
    They have 1 advantage. ONE.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I hate to break it to you, but Chris Paul is the best player in that series, if it were too happen.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I should have lol it would be a sweep nothing more. I love how my professor and other “fans” try to rewrite the history saying they’ve been to the playoffs more than once the last decade lol silly kids

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3TInoIE5hg LakeShow

    Oh that’s a really cool opinion nbk. Totally really cool bro.
    Totally.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    this is their second trip to the playoffs in the last decade.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That’s a pretty prevalent opinion. Among those who don’t own Lakers jersey’s.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Nbk I meant not counting this one

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh lol, you should have just yelled google it in class then. that’s what i woulda done.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @LakeShow: i’m not convinced CP3 plays great defense. he’s awesome at playing the passing lane, but I don’t think he’s a great defender. You may have watched him play way more than I do so I can be wrong. I agree he’s better than parker in many aspects of the game (cp3 is considered the best PG and parker isn’t in the convo most of the time), but that doesn’t mean he can prevent parker from wrecking havoc on clippers’ defense either.
    CP3 will be the best player of the series, but I don’t think he can personally beat the spurs 4 out of 7 times by himself. I really think the spurs’ spacing and execution will beat a talented but very undisciplined clippers.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3TInoIE5hg LakeShow

    Prevalent opinion had Durant as MVP a couple weeks back.
    Prevalent opinion had Kobe in the wastebasket this year.
    Prevalent opinion had Kevin Love is the undisputed top PF.
    Prevalent opinion is a douche.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I should have but this close this close to finals not worth the gamble lol

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    starting the countdown to incessant quacking in 10…9…8…

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @LakeShow & T-Ray: how confident are you guys about Lakers beating the Thunder?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol, you mean the media’s opinion? Lakeshow, I am talking about people who know what they are saying. Not the people/groups who shape your opinion.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lakeshow, all joking aside, do you really deep down in that heart of yours believe that Kobe is better than Paul at this point in his career? CP was by far the best player during that ’11 first round series between NO/LA and I don’t expect a 12 month span to change anything.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor, even if Lakeshow did feel that way, do you really think he would admit it?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I sure am gonna enjoy it when OKC destroys the Lakers.
    @ Lakeshow: Cool story bro.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So Kobe is better than CP3 and Wade now? That’s really where we are in the world.
    Gasol has never been a great scorer. And Evans and the Clips have done a great job of fronting him. But he’s also done a poor job of bullying them. But, as a whole, the Grizz haven’t been going inside enough mainly because of Zach and because of Evans’ activity on post entry passes. Last year, Randolph would do the heavy lifting as far as scoring, but Gasol crashed the boards, defended and passed. He hasn’t gotten those opportunities. It’s not a problem with Rudy Gay taking to many shots, it’s a problem of the quality of shots everyone is getting.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah Allen, it’s 2006, didn’t you hear…

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Swap Kobe with Paul and the Lakers would have gotten at least 5 more wins this year…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I have no problem with RGay taking 25 shots, I have a problem with the kind of shots he was taking. Even though he did a better job of taking shots closer to the basket yesterday, he still settled for too many tough-contested fadeaways. He took 25 shots but only attempted 7 FTs, not a good ratio.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah, Rudy has that TMac/Vince Carter disease. He developed his jumper and now it’s his preferred shot. Although 7 free throws is a respectable number to be fair. He should force the issue more at the rim, but I think the Grizz felt like they weren’t getting calls and got soft.
    Well, I hope they pull out a miracle, but it’s unlikely.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3TInoIE5hg LakeShow

    Teddy, umad bro?
    Taylor, It’s debatable for sure. I just got my money on my guy. I know beyond a shadow of doubt that Kobe can be better than CP3. I also know CP3 can outplay Kobe on any given night.
    nbk, don’t pull that “the guys you listen to garbage.” You listen to and watch a thousand times more “main stream BSPN crap than I do. I listen to everyone and form my own opinion based on the facts presented to me. STFU.
    Caboose, swap 2003 Shaq with 2006 CP3 and the Hornets of 2007 would win a chip. Cool, to do these analogies huh?
    I don’t have any idea how some of you think ‘for sure’ that CP3 and Wade are better than Kobe. Kobe has proved he can do things they have not, and he has barely lost a step since. CP3 isn’t banging on top 10 all time. Wade isn’t banging on top 10. Kobe has proved that he is a top 10 all time great and has barely lost a step. Where did all his skills go? Just straight up vanished in the night?
    We shall see gentlemen. We shall see.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Except I don’t let what people tell me or what jersey a guy wears affect my opinion…..

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, it seems like you’re having a hard time comprehending what everyone on here are trying to say. We are not talking about all-time rank, we are talking at this very moment in time. I don’t know why you continue to resort to bragging about kobe’s career accomplishments.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    His skills haven’t gone anywhere Lake, it’s his athleticism that has gone. Don’t try to deny that. You speak in such absolutes man, it makes you look overly certain of things you can’t legitimately prove and therefore closed-minded. You don’t want that.
    ——
    As far as stats go, Kobe absolutely has “lost a step.” His win shares per 48 have dropped precipitously since his prime. His turnover percentage is at his highest since 04-05. His TS% and EFG% are both at all time lows. His PER and AST% are at the lowest since the turn of the century. So yeah, I can say pretty confidently Kobe has declined a bit. If you argue with the “well, he still looks as good as he always has,” I will chuckle and walk away.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Kobe is no longer the best SG.
    Kobe is no longer the best player.
    Kobe is no longer the best player in LA.
    Kobe is no longer able to do the things he did 3,5,7yrs ago.
    Bringing up career accomplishments when everyone is talking about current affairs, that’s that sh*t I don’t like!

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Agreed JT. Interesting question, in 7 years time, which CURRENTLY ACTIVE player will be seen as having the greatest career? Duncan? Kobe? Will LeBron get there by then?

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    lmaooo @ Jtaylor21

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I never paid attention to win shares. Ever.
    Reason: Ray Allen has more Win shares all time than Jason Kidd. R. Miller has more than KB. Kevin Love is 4th in the L. Tyson Chandler is 5th. James Harden (6th in the L!!??) is above both R. Westbrook and Durant…
    F Win shares.
    JT: Naw I ain’t alking about All-Time rank at all… Not at all. I’m saying Kobe has proved to be able to do things in his career that these guys have not, and he isn’t much worse than he was.
    Caboose: Yes he has lost a step, BUT, he is more athletic this year than last year by (forgive the pun) leaps and bounds. PLUS, he looks as good as he always has ;)
    What we have here gents is a proven talent. A proven champ. A proven player. Who is looking like the same KB (Top 10 all time) that was Finals MVP two years in a row.
    You all are doubting, which is fine, completely fine, but don’t act like i’m the crazy one for having confidence in one of the best players to ever play the game.
    That’s crazy.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    -chuckles and walks away-

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    *dies laughing*

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    *Lakers win championship has smug look on face while sitting on couch drinking a beer after KB grabs finals MVP number 3 While thinking in mind “proverbially suck it bro’s*
    :)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I thought I was going to die laughing a couple years ago when the Lakes won their 2nd chip in a row. I actually recovered just fine and started breathing well within a couple mins.
    You’ll be okay.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I swear sometimes, I think ORANGE and bull22 exert some sort of influence over LakeShow. Have you had any out of body experiences lately bud? ;)
    What would be even better, is if Lakers win, and Bynum gets Finals MVP.

  • Da-Meat_Hook

    Quacking countdown continuing at 7 . . . 6 . . . 5

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’m large fans of their work Caboose.
    If Bynum deserves it he should get it.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Caboose, Kobe because TD is severely underrated and no one knows what the future holds for LeBron.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @Caboose: no way that imaginary scenario is even remotely possible. kobe will freeze bynum out and cause Lakers to lose before he let that happen. he already did that with shaq.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Lakeshow: Come at me bro.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    lakeshow… fam.. everybody get’s old. someday soon russell westbrook will be better than D.wade and at some point John Wall/Derrick Rose or Kyrie Irving will be better than cp3. Even Jordan got old at some point and Kobe became better. nobody’s knocking KB24. and d.wade and cp3 are arguably better than 99.9% of the league, the fact that he can still sort of stay with them is incredibly impressive IMO. but no he’s not better than them.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    regarding to the greatest career, kobe is in the lead right now, and I don’t see duncan ever catching him with individual accomplishments. Lebron’s not trailing behind by a major distance, and unless he gets 5 rings with at least 3 Finals MVP, it’s still going to be Kobe.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Unfortunately JT, I also think that’s what’s gonna happen. And datkid, well put.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    whatever happened to Enigmatic? I miss that dude, he was one of the coolest commenters on here. Where you at, Rigo?! #thatawkardmomentwhenyoumisspeopleontheinternet.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He can’t really comment from Alaska for whatever reason.
    .
    imo, Tim Duncan is still ahead of Kobe all-time. I don’t see why more people don’t feel that way. Just because the guy has one more ring doesn’t mean he’s been a better player throughout his career.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Cosign nbk. Duncan has ALWAYS been ridiculously and consistently stellar. I remember a couple years back, SLAM ran an article on him (Adult Swim, it was titled, I think). They compared his stats from his rookie year, current year, and career, and there was never more than like a 5% difference in anything. That’s crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tim Duncan has been the best player on his team his entire career save the last 2 years. And he has the best winning % in all of professional sports in that time. How does that get over-looked? If Tim Duncan played next to Shaq instead of Kobe he would have like 8 rings, have any of you considered that? The Championship was either won by Shaq or Duncan every single year but 1 from 1999 to 2007.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Teddy: I’ve already come! Ehh, eww, never mind, don’t like the sound of that.
    Dat: I will put money on D-Wade still being able to out play Westbrook when he is 33 and Russ is 25 or whatever their age difference is. Yes players lose certain things. Like athleticism, energy, physical things. What they lose in their physical gifts the good players make up for in intelligent play and all around smarter ball. D-Wade has won it all. Kobe whas won it all. They know what it takes. So I see you. I feel that position, but I am on the side of the vets on this one.
    Co-Sign Teddy on Enig.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    People do know that when they say “Kobe accomplished more individually than TD”, that they are wrong? TD has more Final MVP trophies, more RS MVPs, higher MVP award win-shares, higher PER, more win-shares (defensively and offensively) and more all-nba defensive team selections. Just putting that out there.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    But JT! Win shares don’t mean anything!!!!! (Mostly because Kobe’s have been declining, but I will ignore that). And Kobe has 5 rings! See that’s one more than Duncan! DUHHHHH. (sarcasm)
    —–
    Lake, by that logic then, Jason Kidd is a better player than Derrick Rose. I mean, Kidd may have lost most of his physical gifts, but dude is as savvy as any veteran and he “knows what it takes,” I mean, he won a ring last year. But Rose, pfft, what does he have?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Yeah, I was running out of bro sentences too… These exchanges can sound homoerotic real fast. Not that there’s anything wrong with that (Seinfeld voice). Later bro.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Or should I say, #laterbro.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Caboose as long as you understand that Kevin Love is the 5th most winning-est player in basketball, I too will share your win/share enthusiasm.
    Go James Harden, best Thunder player according to win/share!! Ya!
    Naw, your going off the deep end there final train car… Kidd hasn’t proved to be able to run with these young cats on both ends like KB has (lead L in scoring for 90% of season, Scored 40 plus points numerous times, still leading his team in the playoffs, All Star MVP). Kidd has shown ability to play great defense per his age and the ability to still be able to run a team well while still hitting 3 pointers at a high rate, but he is not in the category of “still able to outplay young guns.”
    Here let me see if I can try and break through here… Would anyone here think that Duncan or Garnett could outplay Love in a playoff series? There you go… Now ya get it don’t ya??!!
    At least that’s what ESPN tells me.
    LMAO @ Ted the Bear

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Obviously Lakeshow just doesn’t understand what win shares are…

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    It sounds like you’re arguing against just win shares and general perception. Ok, that’s 2 things. How about ALL THOSE OTHER STATS I gave? Or are those overlooked because Kobe is Kobe and stats can’t be applied to his game?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You can’t spend the year talking about Kevin Love as the best PF in the L an ten use his Win Share total as proof of how in-reliable the stat is. That’s hypocrisy.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Well nbk, if a player makes his team win the most…. That would be the teams best player would it not?
    I understand that under the right context win/shares can illuminate light on a subject that is hard to reveal without such a equation.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    2 cheers for autospell.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Find one time I ever said that K-Love was the L’s best PF nbk.
    Once.
    WTF are you talking about.
    You little lying sack.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lakeshow, come on now. You spent the entire season running your “Love is the best PF” propaganda after every good-great game Love had. Don’t bracktrack now.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh sorry, undisputed top 3. Or best this season or whatever you were saying.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Man you guys are more stupid than I thought.
    If you don’t know what the difference is between a top 3 at a position and being undisputed number 1 then this convo was over before it started. Like that, and i’m out.
    Straight stupid.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    LakeShow arguing pattern:
    1. Make claim, give nothing to back up.
    2. Act stunned when claim is challenged, demand explanation.
    3. Disregard any stats given and give unrelated subjective observation.
    4. Reassert point in formal style followed by sarcasm ad hominem.
    5. Insult person(s) arguing after being pressed further and finding self in corner.
    6. Leave, thinking argument has been won.
    Repeat.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Co-Sign Caboose.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    @LakeShow: nice one! i like it! (no sarcasm)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Shout out to the guy who lived in a small dwelling on the edge of the Jundland Wastes on the desert planet of Tatooine.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Lol, nice Lake.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I leave for 2 classes and come back to what may I ask?

  • Ryan

    I can’t stand Flop City I hope they drop three straight to Memphis. Charles Barkley is exactly right about Blake Griffin the way he’s flopping around guys are going to actually hit him and people like me will stand up and cheer when he goes down hard. I want to like the kid since he’s got game and seems like a nice guy but then I watch him flop and I want to vomit.

  • Mike From Spain

    I like Chris Paul, Blake Griffin is exciting to watch, but his stare-downs and flopping have me liking this Clipper team less than I thought I would. @teddy-the-bear -> it really hurts me to see the Gasols getting abused, and I never understand why Marc never takes more than 6-8 FGAs even though he’s a strong 7 footer with good post fundamentals… well, I think I begin to see what happens, the guy is soft, much as I hate to admit. Pau… well, Pau is on the decline. Let’s see what can he do with the OKC

  • Justin G.

    Griffin and his flopping are driving me crazy. Paul is easily the best PG in the game right now. It really is incredible to watch him play. And while I agree that right now Wade and CP3 may have the upper hand on Kobe overall, the gap is not as wide as you regulars make it seem. Kobe is better than them on a lot of nights too. It’s like when Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan sat around playing cards late into the night at the Olympics and Ahmad Rashaad asked them who’s the best. After some discussion they decided that Michael was the best but not every night. I think the same thing goes here. And you guys have got to realize there is more to a player than some of these ridiculous, obscure stats. You guys get way too stat oriented when trying to prove your point as well as way too condescending when people disagree with you

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lakeshow is a dingus

  • toinefan88

    i remember chauncey biwwups undressing paul in the playoffs a couple years ago. let’s not get ahead of ourselves (mj?). he still has to beat westbrook and the thunder. we’ll see how that goes lol

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