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Friday, May 4th, 2012 at 9:10 am  |  118 responses

Post Up: Miami, OKC Up 3-0

LeBron leads a fourth quarter charge for the Heat against NYK and KD drops 31 on Dallas.

Heat 87, Knicks 70 (MIA leads 3-0)

The Knicks had more than enough chances to put the Heat away during last night’s loss at the Garden but couldn’t capitalize when the opportunity presented itself. With the crowd fully behind them and LeBron James playing a poor first half, New York could not land the necessary final blow to put their opponent away for good. After playing to a stalemate in the first quarter, New York jumped all over Miami and built a double-digit lead which they saw evaporate after a late second quarter run that pulled the Heat back within four.

But with LeBron struggling in the first half, Dwyane Wade once again took advantage of the Knicks lackluster perimeter defense and burned them for 20 points while amassing 5 steals on the opposite end. And after putting together an inspired defensive performance in the first half, where Carmelo Anthony and company matched the Heat physically and limited them offensively, the Knicks just couldn’t find the bottom of the net and Miami completely turned the tables during the second half en route to a 17-point road victory in Game 3.

The third quarter was a slugfest—very reminiscent of a ‘90’s Heat-Knicks Playoff series as both teams looked to overpower each other. While LeBron was relegated to the bench with 4 fouls, his teammates picked up the slack and held the Knicks to just 3 field goals in the third.

Looking rested—and confident that his team would pick him up regardless of what happened—LeBron took over in the fourth and absolutely lit up the Knicks. As soon as the quarter started, he made it clear that it was his time and no one was going to steal his spotlight. James hopped up off the bench and immediately hit a three-pointer, followed a miss for another bucket, then hit another three to turn a two-point lead into a 66-56 cushion. From there, it was over for the Knicks. With LeBron in a zone, Mario Chalmers calmly hit two three-pointers in a row to stretch the lead to 14 with 5:40 to play. The next five and a half minutes were merely a formality as the Heat handed the Knicks their NBA-record 13th straight postseason loss.

Anthony finished with 22 points on 7-22 shooting while LeBron scored 17 in the fourth to finish with 32. —Peter Walsh (@goinginsquad)

Thunder 95, Mavericks 79 (OKC leads 3-0)

The first two games of the first-round series between Dallas and Oklahoma City were close-fought, down to the wire affairs that were each won by the home team from the Sooner State. The League’s leading scorer for the past two seasons dwells on that very same team and in each of the aforementioned games, Kevin Durant struggled from the floor. Scoring, the most unique attribute of a guy whose entire game and make-up screams, “unique.”

Durant was far from shutout from his role as an offensive factor in each of the two wins. Game 1, he hit the game-winner on a contested 18-footer that hit every legal portion of the basket and backboard before falling. In Game 2, he scrapped and clawed his way to the free-throw line 16 times; ending with 26 points.

Generally when a superstar that dominates so extremely on the offensive end isn’t great at that skill, his team (especially a young one) struggles to find postseason success. For the OKC Thunder to be up 2-0 against the defending champs and still waiting for the best of their own best; should put the entire League on alert.

Thursday night, Durant got going early and often en route to a 15-point first quarter; a 20-point first half and a 9-point halftime lead for OKC. As the home team from Dallas clanked shot after shot, Durant’s teammates scored on seemingly every possession. Russell Westbrook put in another borderline virtuoso performance in the third and the Mavs had to play much of the game’s final quarter with an arena littered with empty seats. Daequan Cook and Derek Fisher hit a slew of long-range shots and the team’s young legs were allowed even more rest as the visitors cruised to an extremely impressive 95-79 victory.

Durant finished with an efficient 31 points (on just 15 shots) and an obvious hop in his basketball step, knowing that his team had found the gear they needed to discover if they have true title aspirations. The Mavericks were just never on target either from the field or as a defensive unit. They never enjoyed a lead in the game and now face the mountain that is the 3-0 deficit.

How quickly did this series go from a very close one that could have been in the Mavs’ favor to one that is almost out of reach? How strong must the confidence be flowing for the Thunder as they look to close things out on Saturday night back in Dallas? These questions have simple answers. Human nature dictates that Dallas is in big trouble.

Heart of a champion, maybe? But after all the changes made in the offseason, maybe not the chemistry of one. —Cub Buenning (@cubbuenning)

Dunk of the Night: JR Smith with the crazy finish—where does this stack up among the best Playoff dunks? How much does it take away that the Knicks lost the game and are now down 3-0?

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  • RIGGS

    shows you why shumpert was a big loss to them as well. GRAB THE BROOMS!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    OKC is scary, so is Miami. JR’s dunk was great.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    I did not see that dunk coming

  • nella

    How long until the media crafts the yearly narrative : Lebron sweeping a first round opponent. – is he the best ever??? 8 turnovers, Knicks essentially crippled, but is he better than Jordan? Tired of him and the heat getting credit for something they’re SUPPOSED to do (to quote Chris Rock). Not a hater typically, but I can see this coming. Its an ESPN annual event since 2009.

  • Otis

    Ready the brooms.

  • Justin G.

    DaMeatHook, I had the same reaction. Saw him go up and when he threw it down it was one of those that make you sit up in your chair. I guess this is almost the last we’ll hear from ORANGE until next year? It’s too bad because I’ll miss those delusional Knicks comments

  • KidCongo

    67 points in the 1st Game, 70 in the 3rd game. Somebody should turn on their offense.

  • 23

    Nella, you must live in some fantasy world. Because as far as I’ve seen, the media has been ALL OVER LeBron in ridiculous fashion. And they will continue to be on him until he wins a ring.

  • 23

    The whole reason this discussion came up last year was due to pippens comments on the Mike and Mike radio show

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Well both of those games were just horrible. The Heat just came out like bandits in the second half and ran every possible 3 point threat right off that line. LeBron went beast mode in the 4th and they had no answer for him. As far as the Mavs I had them winning in 6 but this OKC team is just too physical for them. It’s only a matter of time now until TNT starts up the boat.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That dunk was incredibly impressive. The fact that is was spontaneous was shocking. Most cats plan dunks like that and gather themselves. He just reacted.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Lakers vs OKC round 2. Oh n Lakers in 6

  • http://www.blogspot.com LLC#12

    I really don’t think Carmelo belongs in the “superstar” tier at all.

  • ClydeSays

    NYK have NO chance of winning even a game if Melo’s going to play like that. He needed to come up big. Miami didn’t exactly light it up & they still won easily. Bad news for the Knicks… Dallas looks cooked to me. Dirk must be worn down from literally carrying that team for a dozen years…

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I find it very interesting that Perkins plays better one on one defense on Dirk then Ibaka but so many people said Ibaka deserved DPOY. This just shows that just because you averaged 3 blocks a game doesn’t mean you deserve to win the DPOY.

  • bike

    Anyone going to start labeling Carmelo a choke artist yet?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    - Novak is an elite shooter but against disciplined defenses he is useless. His singular skill to catch and shoot is easily taken away. He doesn’t come off screens or work to get a shot like Ray/Kyle Korver or create his own shot. Even a comparable shooter like Ryan Anderson rebounds and does some work in the paint.
    - Watching Chalmers in college, I never imagined he would be doing this well in the NBA. I figured he would end up overseas or a journeyman around the league. Much of it is hard work, some of it is luck.
    - Shout out to IamOrange last seen shopping at the Bass Pro Shop.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    LOL Nick you a fool.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Chalmers has two very good traits. He is pesky on defense and he doesn’t get affected by moments.
    I don’t if it’s innate or the weed, but dude embraces pressure moments. He doesn’t always make the right play or hit the big shot, but he never, ever plays like he’s afraid. In fact, he plays with more confidence in the crunch. Sometimes too much confidence, but that’s better than too little.

  • 23

    when chalmers is in attack mode it is a very good thing. there was a prime example yesterday when the bron, wade and mario were on the fast break. chalmers had the ball and the defense ran strait to cover bron and wadek, leaving chalmers with a wide open lane.

  • LA Huey

    Chalmers was just calming draining triples in the 4th. It seems Cole picked up ‘Rio’s penchant for fouling jump shooters. Wade had a ridiculous close out on Novak in the 4th that had my innner-Hubie jumping up and down with excitement. Lebron cooled off after the 1st 6 minutes of the 4th but it was great to see him going for it.

  • 23

    and mia’s shooters were WAYY OFF yesterday. battier ended up with 0 points and he had several open looks. the heat played horribly, in very ugly fashion. but the fact that they still got the W is a good sign. also lebron starting off the 4th with aggression was key.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Did you know that John Stockton once shot 57 percent from the floor in a season while averaging 14 assists? Amazing.
    Did you know Isiah Thomas once averaged 21 and 14? Or that Kevin Johnson averaged 20 and 9+ on four or five occasions?
    Kevin Johnson is criminally underrated by most basketball fans.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    That’s amazing Allen. And yes KJ is very underrated among the greats. As far as Rio goes he and LeBron pretty much killed the Knicks in the 4th. Once LeBron started off on fire he was finding Chalmers on the wings and he knocked down the open 3s. Cosign 23 on the fact that they played ugly ball and still won buy 17. The fact that they can play better is scary.

  • LA Huey

    I can get behind the idea that Chalmers is either oblivious to the moment or plays under the influence.
    23, Battier is ’12 version of Mike Miller: my Heat whipping boy.

  • Andrew Woods

    Skip kills me on ESPN. he rails on lebron for his first 3qtrs and blatantly ignores the brillant fourth. But he will champion tim tebow for his 4th quarter comebacks will turning a blind eye to the first 3

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    - Any self-respecting basketball fan should know better than to pay attention to what Skip says. I’m sure Jalen feels the same way.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Waaay off topic but LeBron’s performance in the 4th reminded me but I heard the Hulk is easily the best character in the Avengers and has an epic a$$ last scene.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    T: not the LAST scene but easily the most hilarious moments in the film, along with Stark.
    (but that was expected, RDJ and all)
    It’s a great summer blockbuster, enjoy.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    ClydeSays “Dirk must be worn down from literally carrying that team for a dozen years…”

    Really?

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Yeah well not the last but one of the most hilarious of the film. I saw that part on youtube couldn’t wait. How you holding up after tonight Dark? I was pulling for you guys hoping we got a rematch of last years semi finals.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    *last night

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I don’t know why the Knicks INSISTED on playing Miami in the first round. I honestly don’t get it. They could have played and easily beaten Chicago. Did they seriously think they’d have a better shot at Miami than Chicago, especially with a half-healthy Derrick Rose (who later went out with a full/unfortunate injury)? The Sixers lucked out big time by losing their last game of the regular season… They actually might make it to the second round now. The Knicks are the seventh seed and were still talking about winning the title–how about looking for a favorable first round match-up next time?

  • http://slamonline.com p

    @andrew woods: yea man, i can’t stand sh** bayless at all

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    T: thanks for the concern, but the season was lost when Chandler left. Knew it would be a grind, Dirk never plays well in the Nba after a summer with the national team, yada, yada…
    Eff that, i’m pissed at the the 1st two losses and how the conceded so many points at home ,in the 1st quarter. Expected more fire.
    Oh well, Dirk got a ring, and rebuilding around a marquee player might help the Mavs right the ship.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I never gave Dallas a chance after game 3. Looks like I should have only given them a chance through game 2.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Yea that’s true. I thought this series could easily be 2-1 Mavs right now but they just couldn’t execute late in games 1&2.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I swear if I hear one more person label Carmelo Anthony the League’s “best scorer” again, I’m going to lose it. You can not be the L’s best scorer and shoot 42% during the season and 34% in the playoffs. It doesn’t work that way.

  • LA Huey

    Teddy, they type of person that wants to play for the Knicks would get into a series with Monstars. Of course, they think they could take Miami. Sorry, bro.

  • T-Money

    to me, miami kinda snatched any will remaining in new york when the ball was swung to novak in the corner and wade ran to him and just swallowed him whole. novak didn’t even get a shot off and ate the ball for a shot clock violation.

  • RobbieJay

    the heat havent really used their bench other then shane and mike. and i like that. joel anthony plays his energy minutes but haslem at the 5 is wodnerful. cole really pissed me off last night. thats all i got lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Allenp is dead-on on KJ being undervalued. And he has one of (if not THE) the best postseason dunks in NBA history. One of those moments, I can still remember where i was when the play occurred. On a hall-of-famer, to boot!

    When Dallas couldn’t get wins on KD’s off-nights shooting the ball, you knew it would get worse once he got on track.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    This season was fill of so many ups and downs. It’s only fitting we finish it on a down. These 2012-13 Knicks through the compressed 66 game schedule were like Memphis Belle, and she finally crashed in the playoffs. With that said, I look forward to the eventual off-season along with an entire training camp with a coaching staff that isn’t a lame duck staff. Next season is a make or break season for the Knicks core players. They have to take a big step forward next season. I love Mike Woodson and what he brings to the table as a coach, but if Phil Jackson wants the job it will be his. I think he’d do wonders for Melo…I’d like to get Lamar Odom here somehow too. With all that said, congratulations to the heat. They’re a fine tuned machine right now. If they keep playing defense like they are right now, I can’t see them getting beat by anyone in a 7 game series.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Oh….lawd. Here we go again.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Nick The Quick why you always mentioning me? We have zero rapport here. Only reason I’m even responding to you is because you always seem to have my big Oranges in your mouth. Same goes for that douche JustinGspot.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Where we going JPriceless21?

  • LA Huey

    Cub, you’re probably thinking of KJ’s baseline Nightmare on Dream Olajuwon.

  • LA Huey

    “you always seem to have my big Oranges in your mouth”
    That was funny.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Another utterly pointless thought about the playoffs.
    - I have done it. We have all done it. But it still truly amazes me how players truly believe they didn’t foul when they clearly disemboweled someone. Leading offenders are Lebron, Kobe, CP3, the entire Denver Nuggets franchise. At least, when Brian Cardinal lays the wood on you, the man is forthright about it.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I know you’re in a state of mourning. So I don’t want to hurt those little feelings of yours.

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    I like Orange. In fact, I like anyone here who’s an outspoken fan of any team. cosign LA Huey, I chuckled when I read that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    As a huge Hakeem fan, I contend to this day that KJ used his off arm to complete that dunk, and I will never, EVER say otherwise.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I thought Orange’s comment was funny but then realized I like oranges and the visual mad me sad. Kind of bitter sweet like an orange come to think of it.

  • LA Huey

    I hope we keep commenting on Orange’s comment about oranges.
    Allenp, Dream’s my 3rd favorite player of all-time. But that dunk was too amazing for me to discount.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Lol Nick.
    Oh boy. The Knicks are awful. This team has soooooo much to do. They aren’t any semblance of a team right now. They just play basketball on a court together and share the same color jerseys. They need to try and trade Stat or Melo. Good job by the Heat exposing the crap out of this team.
    The Mavericks had us all wondering all year what they were going to do in the playoffs. You couldn’t help, but imagine this 2011 Championship-esque run reoccurring and no team being able to stop Dirk and Terry, but JJ Barea and TC meant so much to this team. Not excluding guys like Peja and that guy with the 5 dollar bill inked upon his trachea. They were a good tam last year but they just never had it this year. (reminds me of the Lakers last year :( )
    Stockton did have that one year where he put up that ridiculous percentage. He had many great shooting years. He is an efficient player with out doubt. It’s obviously impressive. BUT… Is it that impressive? He didn’t even take 10 shots a game. He didn’t even shoot one 3 pointer a game. He didn’t get to the line much so he wasn’t being aggressive. I just feel that FG% can be overrated. I mean it’s always a good thing to put the ball in the hoop over not obviously, but was he very impactful with that efficiency? The Jazz only won 47 games that year. Which is nice, but not great by any stretch.
    He also had 3 steal per game that year and never got more than 1 but twice more in the next ten plus years of his career. Strange he wasn’t able to sustain those steal numbers in any fashion.
    What do you guys think? Is FG% over rated in some ways?

  • vtrobot

    Knicks should dedicate the rest of their season to MCA and really play like they give a $hit again. RIP to a great dude.

  • Mike From Spain

    my condolences to orange, i never thought the knicks would go out like this… a sweep of blow out losses is not what i had in mind, more like 4-2 for the heat

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    FG% is a tricky thing. You look at guys like Tyson and he had one of the greatest FG% I’ve ever seen then I realized that he as getting all his shots on oops and dimes under the basket. Then you take a guy like LeBron who is having a monster year with his FG% and he takes all kinds of shots even half court heaves. So it’s pretty complicated at times.

  • HAMMER

    Smith’s dunk is already being overrated. One could mention probably around 20 better playoff dunks than this one. It wasn’t even the best playoff dunk by a Knick.
    Pip on Ewing was/is the best of all time in the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I agree T-Ray. In no way do I think TC has had a impressive offensive year. 10 points is nothing across 30+ mins. His FG% of something crazy like 67% or something is unheard of. It’s like 5th highest all time or 3rd or something, but it is not impressive to me. LeBron’s year on the other hand is very impressive. He has shot the ball 19 times and connected on 10 of them. But is it more impressive than Kevin Durants year? He shot a lower FG%, but shot 344 3 point FG’s as opposed to LeBron’s 149. His FG percentage is equally impressive to me when taking into account the shots he took over the ones LeBron did. There is something to be said for both sides. Kevin appears to be able to take harder shots at a higher percentage, but LeBron is able to get you a higher percentage shot more often than KD. I’m not going anywhere with this. I just have been thinking allot about it lately.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He took ten shots a game when he shot 57 percent.
    Duncan has never taken more than 18 shots a game as his team’s undisputed number one option.
    Magic regularly shot 11 shots and averaged like 18 points.
    Being able to score a large number of points on the fewest amount of shots means you offer opportunities to other players to get shots and feel involved. It is extremely important.

  • ALD

    for EVRYONE SAYING CARMELO ISNT A SUPERTAR…….. was he in Denver?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why is it impressive that a player is taking more difficult shots when he DOESN’T HAVE TOO?
    Chris Paul has to take tough shots. Nate Robinson. Derrick Rose. Allen Iverson.
    But when you could be taking much easier shots and you consistently shoot long jumpers there is a problem.
    Either you are settling, or you lack the offensive game to get better shots. Or you don’t know how to make the defense pay for overloading on you.
    Being able to get 30 on 12-14 shots demoralizes teams. Your 30 points don’t dominate your team’s offense but they count for just as much on the scoreboard.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Allen Iverson is the prime example. His career FG% is 42%, but he is still known as one of the greatest scorers in NBA history. He took a lot of shots, because he had to as he was the primary ball-handler and the best scorer on his team. Similar with Kobe.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Okay, so what about when the defenses start to clamp down and they are focused around stopping you from getting those easy buckets that you are usually able to get with ease. Those options are taken away. Now that player is rendered virtually useless. As opposed to the other player who always took the harder shots. That player that showed the ability to bail teams out late in the shot clock and late in regulation play. The one who could take highly contested hard jumpers and make them at a higher rate than the other player. He will be more successful in these moments.
    I am of the thought that John Stockton would have been better for that Jazz team if he had taken more shots than his 9.6 that year. He should have been taking more like 12+. His team would have had better success IMO if he would have done that.
    Should Thurl Bailey be taking 6 more shots that Stock? What about Darrell Griffith? He played 14 less mins a game and shot a below average 42% from the floor yet he still got off 2 more shots than Stock… They plainly should not have been. Karl shot 52% that year. IMO his year was equally impressive if not more than Stock’s despite the much lower shooting percentage and overall less efficient play.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    GP23
    You and I both know that is patently false.
    Kobe takes a lot of shots because he likes taking a lot of shots. It has nothing to do with his role on the team. Once he felt he had “arrived” he felt he could take any shot he damn well please. Period.
    Duncan was the best scorer on his team and didn’t take a huge number of shots and scored efficiently. Karl Malone, for all his scoring prowess, only tood 20 shots a game once in his entire career. Think about that. Taking a lot of shots is not inherently evil. It depends on the sort of shots you’re taking, why you’re taking them and when you’re taking them. Context is key.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    LeBron in cleveland was the primary ball-handler and best scorer on his team yet he never came close to shooting 42% from the field after his rookie season. Same goes for Wade, MJ, West and Oscar. At a certain point we have to stop making excuses for why certain star players are inefficent.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Lakeshow shouting out the Ville with the Griffith name drop!

  • eyal

    kobe never played on a team where his best teammates were matt geiger and a 37 year old mutombo.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    We can definitely agree on that. Context is key.
    Taylor, Just as we need to not make excuses for players shooting a low percentage from the field we also need to stop lauding players for having a high FG% when they never take risks and are afraid to be the one that missed a shot.
    There’s nothing great about handing the difficult shots off to other players when you should be the one taking them.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    lmaoo at orange’s comment… I know he’s just lashing out bc he’s hurt tho.. I’m sorry buddy. I say melo is a superstar and he always has been… for a VERY long time he was the league’s most versatile scorer and a very decent rebounder, who arguably just had some VERY bad luck with first round match ups. for a while I really thought he might to the finals in ’10 but then George Karl got hurt. Melo is a superstar. but Lebron is a hall of famer, a first ballot one the likes of which is only seen once a generation.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think that LeBron has an inherent physical advantage as far as getting a high field goal percentage compared to someone like Iverson.
    But, I also think LeBron concentrated on taking better shots more. They work hand in hand.
    Iverson, when tasked with playing the point, shot about 44-45 percent from the field most years. That’s right at normal. Not really efficient, but about normal for a scoring point guard. Given his small size and the lack of scoring around him at time it is somewhat understandable. Should he have done better? Yes, without a doubt.
    Stockton was not afraid of shooting. Anyone whoever watched Stockton play knows he was not afraid of shooting. He just lacked the skillset to take over as a scorer in the same way that someone like Isiah could take over. That’s my belief.

  • LA Huey

    The ’97 Rockets know how afraid Stock is of taking a big shot.

  • jpm34

    Whatever happened to Thurl Bailey?

  • jpm34

    Thurl Bailey, member of All-NBA Goggle team.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Yeah…I’m sure that LeBron was handing all the “diffcult” shots to Mo Williams and DWest in Cleveland.

  • feez_22

    The problem i have with kobe’s shots are that he doesn’t take the difficult ones out of “Necessity”. His team most of the time doesn’t need him taking those types of shots. If its crunch time in the 4th and the lakers need a basket than sure, take those. However, kobe takes those types of shots ALL GAME LONG. and everybody knows this. That’s why when the thunder play the lakers in the 2nd round i can’t pick the lakers. Kobe will be trading off high/risk shots with Durant and Westbrook… even harden. The difference is even though Westbrook may take bad shots, he gets to the hole more often than not, shown by his 47% FG percentage. With Durant, 70% of the shots he takes can be classified as good ones as he is basically 6-11 and with his release, dependence on curls, etc. the definition of a bad shot doesn’t necessarily apply to him on a consistent basis. Kobe will take that fallaway jumper over 2 guys. He will jack up that unneeded 3 while the big men, who btw will have the clear adv, just watch. It is what it is. Thats the problem. At this point, kobe does NOT need to be taking tough jumpers all the time. Bynum, Gasol, sessions… he has teammates now and has had teammates since 08 and even before that. Yet he continues 2 take them… and i continue to hear excuses as to why he takes them. He is 27ppg on 43% shooting basically. same shooting % as melo whom the majority here has hated on for taking tough shots and not passing as much. Yet, saying the same for kobe whom has better players 2 pass to shouldn’t be valid… I like efficient players. bite me.

  • T-Money

    Ethan J. Skolnick ‏ @EthanJSkolnick
    LeBron on Chalmers: “I’m his big brother and he has to take whatever I have to say to him.”

    I lol’ed. Bron is constantly barking at Rio during games.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    I said LeBron had an advantage in size. It’s easier to get a quality shot when you’re as tall as Bron and as fast and strong as Bron. Iverson was gifted but you can’t teach size.
    Of course Bron took tough shots but he also got a lot more easier shots. Y’all don’t remember how difficult some of the shots were that Iverson took getting to lane. He’s finishing among the trees while giving up an entire foot in height.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Kobe takes those tough shots because that’s how crazily confident he is in himself. @feez_22 Excluding the three-peat with Shaq, Kobe didn’t really have much when it came to teammates (other than Odom) before ’08. If your Kobe in ’06, will you take almost as many shots as he did, or put trust in Kwame Brown’s post game?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Hell, Iverson’s supporting cast was so bad it almost makes me feel sorry for him.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    What is the all-NBA goggle team?
    3 – James Worthy
    4 – Horace Grant
    5 – Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    I need a point guard and a shooting guard…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Got it… Point guard – Bo Outlaw. Shooting guard – Thurl Bailey.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ROFL @ Orange’s comment. “JustinGSpot,” LOL!!! I have nothing against JustinG but that was funny. Orange’s comment about oranges is a classic.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also you’re right Huey… Knicks were a bit delusional this year. The question is though, would they be better with Linsanity? (of course the Heat would still pummel them).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If Bo Outlaw plays the point your team is in very bad trouble since Bo Outlaw couldn’t dribble more than two times to save his life.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    At this point Dallas and the Knicks are Loki and the Heat are the Hulk. Sorry for another Avengers reference.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP, that wasn’t directed at you but I agree with you on the AI tip but someone like Kobe has no excuse.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Nonsense, Bo Outlaw would make a fine point guard. lol here’s the real All-NBA Goggles team (sorry to the Bo Outlaw fans out there):
    1 – Kirk Hinrich
    2 – James Worthy
    3 – Amare Stoudemire
    4 – Horace Grant
    5 – Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    I seriously can’t think of a single point guard other than Hinrich to have worn the goggles. And how long has he been wearing them for? Amare at the 3 is a bit suspect but I’ll treat this like the All-NBA teams with 2 guards and 2 fowards regardless of position…

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Wasn’t Bo Outlaw a 4??

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Lin only worked while Melo and Amare were not playing, so it’s really difficult to say that he would have made any difference on this series. Other than marginally.
    I wonder what category you (meaning us) put someone like Isiah Thomas into. He wasn’t a jacker. He never took 20 fg attempts. He wasn’t an efficient player. He got his team mates involved well, but did he hurt his team by not passing more? Should he have been more like Stockton and tried to up his FG% and his assists rather than score since he wasn’t overly efficient?
    I think not. That’s his game. He played his game. His game was damn nice too. You ignore any stupid banter about him trying to score too much and how he needs to pass or be more efficient because he was the guy. He was a baller, one of the best to play. I would probably take Isiah over Stockton 90% of the time. Despite Stock being much more efficient and getting his team mates involved better.

  • http://gmail.com z

    as a new yorker, i am ashamed of these cats…to go out like this is disgraceful. someone raised this point earlier, but i’d just like to ask it again: why the F didn’t the knicks tank a couple games at the end of the reg season so that they could avoid the wrecking ball known as lebron? dude’s on another level right now, and just needs to keep doing what he’s doing. speaking of continuing to do what is being done, if the lakers keep up what we’re seeing from em ever since kob came back from his shin probs, then i think we’re gonna finally get our lebron/kobe finals. the chemistry from gasol with everyone else is bananas right now, and kob’s actually playing team-only basketball (though i’ll admit that it’s anyone’s guess how long that lasts–if he wants that 6th ring, he’ll keep playing like he is). Lastly, comparing iverson to lebron is just…i mean al was only SIX FEET TALL and this dude was legitimately in the same caliber (i’d say better) of scorer as lebron friggin james. A.I. should get to finish his career in the L. larry brown says so.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    @ Teddy, is Antoine Carr disqualified because his Goggles looked more like a surfer’s shades? I remember Reggie Miller wore the same ones for a bit, but I think those were to hide the bruises Cheryl would give him . . .

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I said a while back that they should tank and try to get chicago….. nobody believed me tho lol

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    datkid, yesterday you said that you thought that Allen Iverson was a better scorer than Dwyane Wade. I’m curious why you think that, but you would put D-Wade’s offense above Kobe’s today. Your thoughts?

  • T-Money

    i think cats are getting caught up with what the lakers are doing to inconsequential team like the nuggets with no size and no go-to player. i don’t see how l.a. gets past okc in the second round, especially if they off the nuggets in 4 and ron artest has to miss the first 3 games of the series.

  • LA Huey

    It’s one thing to win games to avoid a tougher opponent. I don’t have a problem with that. But losing to do the same thing irks me for some reason.

  • Andyy
  • T-Money

    la huey – …and yet it worked really well for philly. they would have gotten blown the eff out by miami.

  • CDaTyrant

    I wonder what the guy who wrote the MIA-NYK series was smok I mean thinking? I mean I could understand 7 games but a knicks series win was more than a generous strech.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @ datkid, they still weren’t going to beat the Bulls either, with or without Rose.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Double J

    We’ve had some great dunks this year.

  • LA Huey

    T-Money. Well, the rest of the series remains to be played. But the Sixers have no championship aspirations/delusions they just want to dance as long as they possibly can. Philly experienced a “Gentleman’s Sweep” at Miami’s hand last year. Everyone, including the Sixers themselves, KNOW they can’t compete with Miami.
    Melo, the Knicks and their fans have loftier aspirations and I think you gotta have the “Welcome all challengers” mindset if you expect to compete for a chip.

  • jpm34

    Teddy thanx for elaborating on my All-Goggle team comment. I was at work trying to think of pgs that wore goggles too.

  • jpm34

    Olajuwan wore goggles for a bit too. After Bill Cartwright detached his retina.

  • jpm34

    Not many guards or wings rocked the ole Air-Specs.

  • jpm34

    Even though they were nerd glasses, honorable mention to Kurt Rambis.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Shout out to mario chalmers clutchness and overall game, and to hueys inner hubie!

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    They need an opportunistic guard who can run pick and roll with Chandler and Amare.
    They should seriously consider bringing Andre Miller to NY. I believe he’s unrestricted next season.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    this is all my personal opinion, but first of all lakeshow, Dwayne wade kinda stole allen iverson’s style. He talks about modeling his game after him, and I’ve seen him use a similar crossover to A.I. too even. The difference is that it’s much easier to attack and slash against 6’11-7’2 monsters when you’re (at least) 6’5 220 as opposed to being at best 6’0 175 and probably smaller. Iverson not only did it more than wade does, he was so much more aggressive too… and he had to be. he was usually the best scoring option on his team. the one time he did have a decent amount of help (denver, a young melo, JR smith, etc) he shot about 45-46%. Kobe’s on the other hand has literally been surrounded by hall of famers in their primes or before decline yet he still shoots around 46% most of the time. Kobe’s offense to me is best on irrational confidence(which you kind of have to have to play in the nba) and selfishness.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    you give A.I. a young pau gasol and andrew bynum or shaq instead of melo and marcus camby and maybe he doesn’t shoot 46%… but that’s just my opinion.. just some midnight ramblings of a kid who’s been studying and politicking all day and should probably go to sleep.

    and slick rick lol you’re just being a homer they at least beat chicago once this year… how many times have they beat the heat?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ROFL @ Kurt Rambis’ glasses, hahaha. Nice one jpm34. Yeah the goggles are a fun subject. @ Meat Hook: lol he’d count too, but if Bo Outlaw wasn’t good enough to make the First Team, then Antoine Carr isn’t either. Let’s move both of them to second team All Goggles.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Did Iverson have the ability to shoot 50%+ from the field? I’m not so sure. He relied heavily on the FT line for his points. He never honed his jumper like Kobe did, and he had a serious height disadvantage preventing him from doing anything with his back to the basket. IMO Kobe has the ability to shoot a good percentage from the field; he just doesn’t give a sh!t. Iverson, I’m not so sure. Neither of them NEED to shoot a high FG% to be effective anyways. Sure it’d help their respective teams (when Iverson wasn’t the sole scorer), but Kobe won 5 championships chucking his @ss off.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    … probably coulda won 6 or 7 if he’d played the right way. But still.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    lol I like teddy’s answer. but I certainly think he could have… there are people of similarly tiny size who have shot 50%… steve nash.. chris paul.. didn’t nate “tiny” archibald do it? in answer to your question though, D.wade is “technically” probably like a better scorer lakeshow.

  • Justin G.

    Yes, I actually laughed at the “Justin GSpot” line too. Very clever. It was actually the most clever thing (along with the oranges line) he’s ever said on here. I’m not sure why it makes me a douche to point out your delusional views on the Knicks just like everyone else does but that’s OK. I do think the FG% can be misleading at times. Kobe does take a lot of unneccesary tough shots but he also receives the ball with about 4 seconds on the shot clock a lot too. It happened to Jordan too, or guys just standing around waiting for him to do something.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jordan’s worst shooting full season not on the Wizards is better than Kobe’s best shooting season.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    justin it doesn’t make you a douche….. I like your comments lmao.

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