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Thursday, May 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am  |  81 responses

Post Up: No More New York

Miami moves on after blowing past the Knicks and Memphis stays alive against Lob City.

Heat 106, Knicks 94 (MIA wins 4-1)

That’ll do it. With last night’s 106-94 series-ending loss to the Heat, the Knicks’ wild, roller-coaster of a season came to a disappointing end. Behind another suffocating defensive performance, Miami put their opening-round series to bed and will now move on to face the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Semis.

Things started off okay, as New York hung tough with the home team behind Mike Bibby’s 8 first-quarter points and the Knicks trailed by four at the end of one. In the second, New York faced the same problem that plagued them the entire series: Their inability to close the first half on a strong note. With the score at 44-40 in Miami’s favor with under three minutes to go in the half, it looked like the Knicks were going to keep things interesting. But, just as fans got their hopes up, the Heat ripped off an 11-4 run to push the lead to double-digits, effectively ending the Knicks’ hopes of taking the series back to The Garden.

In the second half, it was all Miami. After allowing their opponent to come back from a double-digit deficit in Game 4, the Heat keep their foot on the gas and led by double-figures the entire second. Miami played its best game of the series and matched smothering defense with a balanced offensive attack, as four players scored in double-figures. LeBron led the way with 29 points, 8 boards and 7 assists while Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh scored 19 apiece. For the Knicks, Carmelo Anthony scored 35 points on 15-31 shooting. The Eastern Conference semifinals tip off on Sunday in Miami. —Peter Walsh (@goinginsquad)

Grizzlies 92, Clippers 80 (LAC leads 3-2)

Earlier in your life, when you could lift heavy things and reach the highest shelves, when you used to go to the market to buy whole cows with cut up pennies, you envisioned this Grizzlies playoff run to be a lot different. You thought they were going to bury teams right away with outlet passes and transition defense. You thought they would have 1920s brawn. Marc Gasol would be stepping over defenders like a true circus freak, you thought to yourself, then he’d rip off his shirt middle-outward, like a professional wrestler.

Fine. By “earlier in your life,” I mean “two weeks ago.” But it sure as hell felt like 50 years ago.

After 11 days of doing the opposite, Memphis finally looked like that badass, scrappy title contender that we had envisioned before they got all soft and weird in the first part of this series. Not only did the Grizzlies stay alive, drubbing the Clippers, 92-80, they looked like they finally showed up for the Playoffs.

The first quarter is probably an edge case, but it was an awesome edge case. It’s hard to describe the pummeling the Memphis frontline gave to the Clippers without bringing up weapons or violent crime, so here are numbers:

The Grizzlies scored 36—and 27 came from either Zach Randolph or Marc Gasol. They were a combined 12-of-14 from the field. Randolph capped it off with a three-point play on the grittiest of floaters. It felt like the end of a murder in a horror movie, and it was just the last field goal of the first quarter.

The Clippers stuck around, but who the hell knows how. Mike Conley was eating off of Chris Paul’s plate the whole first half. Paul, remember, made us all want our MVP ballots back so we could bump him ahead of everyone after Game 4. It took him 23 minutes to get his fifth point in Game 5.

Here’s the other thing: Blake Griffin actually looked good. Other than the time he ripped his shoe in half in the second quarter—this actually happened—he appeared to be in rhythm. He got some alley-oops and putbacks like regular season Blake. He finally looked comfortable.

Problem is, the rest of the Clippers couldn’t get past Conley and Tony Allen if they were brandishing a hot iron plate that said “I Love Terrorism” on it. The Clippers’ big men—Griffin, Jordan, Martin, Evans—all at least need a nice entry pass. And that wasn’t happening.

Not until the end of the third.

Chris Paul got frustrated and started taking over. (It’s almost getting boring writing that sentence every game, at this point.) Down 22, he was called for a technical. So was Caron Butler. Then they went on an 18-4 run that had Memphis fans wondering if they were time traveling back in time 11 days.

But the Grizzlies were resilient and big and strong, finally. When the Clippers cut it to 8 with 3:47 left, the Memphis frontline went into lockdown. L.A. didn’t score for another two minutes.

Paul came up limping at the end of the run, a presumed pulled groin, and now everything has changed. This series was in the bag 24 hours ago. All the Clippers have to do is go home and win a game on Friday, but that seems like Hell now. Blake needs new shoes, CP’s gimpy, and Memphis just remembered how good they are. —Ben Collins

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  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    hopefully memphis stays alive just long enough to destroy the spurs.

  • T-Money

    that’s the main difference with bron guarding melo instead of battier: melo got his but had to hit some incredibly difficult pull up jumpers and needed 31 shots to score 35 pts. bron is probably the only defender that has the strength and quickness to keep melo out of the lane. also, i hate joel anthony as a starter but i love him as a 15-20 min energy guy off the bench.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ZBo looked good. Did my heart good to see it. The Clippers seemed surprised that the Grizzlies came to play, similar to how the Grizzlies looked in the previous game. It’s weird when teams don’t expect amazing energy. It’s the playoffs!
    Anyway, Mike Conley is showing me something. All year it seemed like he couldn’t hit pull up jumpers, but in this series he’s been great. I don’t know how long Memphis can afford to keep this team together, but man, I love their squad.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    For what it’s worth, Conley had 5 assists mid-way through the 1st Q, and finished with 6.
    Basically, Marc Gasol and Z-Bo got a whole bunch of easy interior buckey (Gasol got a leadout dunk, and trail lay-up) from Conley.
    Big key was not letting Rudy Gay dictate the offense early as well.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Interesting question, who would you rather have on your team, Rudy Gay or Danny Granger?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Last night was the 20th time in LeBron’s career he lead his team in Points, Rebounds, and Assists in a playoff game. Which is far and away the most that’s ever happened in NBA history for any player. And he’s 27.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Neither. I’d take Iguodala. None of them have any idea how to take a game over offensively, Grangers the best shooter, Iguodala the best passer. Rudy is a mix of both.
    I’d take Joe Johnson over all of them though. Sigh.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Does LeBron get MVP, or is that basically KD’s this season?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LeBron will get MVP and it might be by a historic margin.

  • http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhML7iq4dK491bduli Max

    Let’s keep fighting Grizz!

  • http://www.dimemag.com Showtime

    Rudy,is the better allround scorer of the bunch, plus is the most athletic beast being Sf beside Lebron. Plus he is know that take the big shot at the end of the game . He a tough mismatch problem. Granger is Granger a good shooter but that all.

  • BuzzerBeater

    Grizzlies are +13 in point differentials after 5 games but down 2-3. They are the better team but Clips got Paul.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Iguodala has hit his fair share of big/game winning shots in his career. And is a good defender. Can guard 1/4 in certain situations.
    Would you rather have Stuckey/Teague/Holiday?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t believe there is a comparison between Rudy Gay and the other two. Come on people, you’re better than that.

  • ti-sizzle

    id take Holiday, although Stuckey looks pretty good this year based on his mid-range

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I wonder if Danny Granger sees some “winnable games” against the Heat…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I can’t believe that some person thinks there is a large gap between Granger, Iguodala and Gay.
    You better than that some person.
    I’d take Holiday every day, including Holidays. Buh DumB Chaaa!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    M. Gasol took twice as many FGA yesterday as the game before. I wonder why he is so passive sometimes.
    People love passive players though. Because they; “don’t make mistakes”, “they aren’t ball hogs”, “they don’t play hero ball.”
    Personally, I’ll take the selfish player that wants to win over the unselfish player that i’m uncertain of, but hey he sure does pass the ball allot! What a great team player…
    Nahh, I don’t go for that.
    Gotta be aggressive for me to appreciate your play style. Gasol is skilled as the dickens. (yeah, I said dickens) But he is far to passive for my preference.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Thanks for the back-up Lake. And I 100% agree with you on Holiday. I think he’s the leader of the 3rd tier of point guards. If 1st tier is (no order) Rose, Paul, Parker, Rondo, Deron and 2nd tier is Russ, Lowry, Nash, Wall, and Kyrie, I’d put Holiday right after those guys (maybe ahead of Wall and Lowry at this point).

  • T-Money

    with the way the cba works, i personnally wouldn’t want any of them. because of the salary cap, guys like gay and granger will cost you just as much as guys like bron, dwight and derrick rose (there’s more max money available than “max” players). so you have to pay them max money and build around them, which means you’ll be a good not great team forever.

  • feez_22

    Gay/Granger/Iggy… which 3rd tier star would you rather have guys? 16.5M next yr for rudy gay, a 6’8 perimeter guy that has to be basically forced to post up guys 4-5 inches smaller than him, 14.7M Iggy, a guy that still can’t hit a consistent jumper to save his life & is currently @ 10.4ppg on 30% shooting from the field & 15% from 3 in the chi series (reg season 12ppg on 45%) or 13M granger, the SOFTEST of the bunch who refuses to drive the paint vs. elite competition regardless of their center (not to mention his elite fight instigating skills… proves the point of “all bark, NO BITE & the loud talkers are usually the weakest)? hmm… decisions decisions.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Was thinking about this last night. It’s been a while since we had the Official Player of SLAM. Think the last guy was Ben Handlogten back in the day when he was the Official Player of the Links. So, in similar fashion, we should nominate the Official Player of TPU.
    .
    Criteria: Must be on a playoff team that’s bound to make it deep in the playoff to make this worthwhile. Must not be a star on his team but should get enough burn that there is something to talk about. Must be wildly popular and inspire fallen men such as ourselves to greater things. Must be engine that drives the team to glory.
    .
    I submit the one, the only, the protector of American virility: Reggie Evans.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    I think Gay has the most overall upside and room to grow so I’d take him. but honestly they all seem equally flawed. Gay at least doesn’t have gaping holes in his game like the rest do. smh rudy gay is really just an sf-version of mid 2000′s Jason Richardson. also out of stuckey teague and holiday i’d take teague. He’s fast, aggressive and an excellent defender. I understand why people would take Holiday though, but I still wouldn’t put him ahead of wall and lowry.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    Holiday’s ranking among PG’s IMO D.will, CP3, Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Nash, Wall,TP, Lawson,Kyrie, Lowry, Holiday,

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    I should’ve put lawson higher lol. and lmaoooooo @ Nick.. him and lakeshow are the funniest guy’s here

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Reggie Evans and virility? Haaaahaha

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    1. Memphis has the potential to be a great team. They have a roster than should compete for a championship.
    2. I say pull the number on Gay, Igoudala and Granger and see if they actually compare. I’ve pulled the numbers and watched their games, and it’s not close to me. Gay scores more efficiently and with more variety than Granger. He’s capable of making tougher shots, is more explosive and consistently plays better defense.
    He’s inferior as a defender and passer compared to Igoudala, but far superior as a scorer. So far superior it’s not even a fair comparison. Plus, throughout this year he’s shown the ability to be the main scoring option on a winning team, and he’s also shown the ability to blend in with teammates.
    3. Marc Gasol is not passive most of the time. Calling him passive shows a lack of basketball knowledge Lakeshow. He is not a great scorer and will likely never be one. His post moves are basic and he pretty much bullies people for buckets. Unfortunately, most fans assume that if you’re not scoring you must be passive, which couldn’t be more wrong. Look at how he passes and rebounds even when he’s not scoring. Check out his help defense and post defense one-on-one. Scoring is the simplest part of the game. All the other stuff is what you need players to do to win.
    But hey, you thought it was really close between Bron and KD as far as MVP. And you think Kobe is better than Chris Paul.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Reggie is so virile, when he grabbed Kaman’s nuts, Kaman’s girlfriend got pregnant.

  • feez_22

    @caboose can’t lie… i had 2 google that word lol

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Wonder what Houston is gonna do with Goran Dragic this season. He’s a RFA (or pure FA), I believe. Someone is going to pay big money for him.

  • LA Huey

    Houston should let Dragic walk for anything more than $18M for 3yrs. They still have Lowry, right?

  • Andrew Woods

    Watching the heat game yesterday I stumbled upon a conclusion. I have more faith in Lebron building up a 10pt lead in the 4th qtr than I have in.wade or.kobe hitting a last second shot which I think is a far greater commodity.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Give me RGay because his ceiling is much higher. Gay has a chance to be the 3rd best SF in basketball.
    IND/MIA is going to be an intruging series. Hibbert is the key in that one because of MIA’s lack of size down low. IND has to feed the post on a consistent basis because that is their only real advantage (apart from the bench) in the series. If Hibbert plays well, IND has a chance to take it to 6-7 gms but if he struggles, MIA wins in 5.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Marc Gasol is one of the top 5 best passing centres in the NBA today. (No order) M. Gasol, Bogut, Noah, Spencer Hawes, Camby/Horford

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Of course Gay is at the top. He’s the youngest. He’s the best scorer. He is a semi-competent defender.
    Although, he has shown that he hasn’t improved all that much over the last 3 years.
    Granger was better at his peak than Gay has shown thus far at his peak. Main reason: Gay was injured last year and he is still very young. He will have a better season than Granger eventually, but he hasn’t yet.
    Iggy has been one of the best defenders in the L over his career. That can’t be undervalued. He is an elite perimeter defenders in the NBA.
    Gay does nothing elite. Granger does nothing elite. Iggy does. He is also an elite play maker at the SF position, another thing the other two are completely incapable of. If I was the Lakers I would take Iggy over Gay. If I was the Clippers I would take Gay over Iggy. All depends on what your team needs with these guys. Gay is only better because going forward he will be, not because he is head and shoulders above them today.
    Kobe is better than CP3.
    KD would have won MVP if his team and himself finished out the year how they were a couple weeks before the end. So check yo self.
    Marc Gasol has a penchant for playing non-aggressive. FACT. If you don’t know this…. Do as you say and re-think how much Bball knowledge you think you have.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Yeah, Lowry is locked up. Tough decision on Dragic. Funny how the Suns got burned again on guards.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The advantage AI gives you on the defensive end is totally negated by his lack of offensive skill. That’s is not enough for me to pick him over a guy like RGay, who is by far a better offensive player that plays good defense.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kevin Durant was never going to win MVP. Stop defending that stupid belief. It was only a debate because ESPN likes page views. The MVP race was over in March.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I never understood why the Suns seemed so keen to move Dragic…and I really don’t wanna bring up the Kobe is better than CP thing again, it devolves into one party arguing from facts and the other from gut feeling. It’s like someone trying to tell a scientist the world is 7,000 years old.

  • LA Huey

    Yeah, let Dragic walk unless you can get him for less than $6M/yr. Gotta make sure his contract is tradeable. Suns getting burned? Very punny.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    What is there that shows Kobe is better than Chris Paul this year? Nothing. We are not comparing careers.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I would like everyone to provide an answer to this, if the Lakers had Chris Paul and a SG comparable in ability to Ramon Sessions, would they be a better team right now? With no Kobe.

  • T-Money

    jtaylor – if miami is smart, they’ll play a lot of lebron at the 4 (he can check david west no problem) and turn it into a track meet. roy hibbert won’t be able to hurt them if he’s running from foul line to foul line.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Roy Hibbert won’t be able to play that much in the Miami series. If Miami go small West will have to play C.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    cosign T-money. Roy hibbert looks like he would be relatively fast but he’s really not so the heat can literally just run them into the ground. I don’t honestly think he can provide adequate rim protection against Lebron and wade anyway though. In fact I’m pretty sure Bosh can check hibbert and get him into foul trouble on the other side of the ball.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    T-Money, I hear you but is MIA…oops I meant Spo, that smart? We all now that Spo hates making adjustments.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    also Allball… yes. maybe a lot.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    No Granger was not better at his peak. Granger just shot more. And he shot a lot more three pointers.
    Gay has always been better. Better able to attack off the bounce. Better able to create his own shot. He’s always been more efficient and a better rebounder.
    Granger just averaged more points per game because he had the absolute green light and wasn’t shy about shooting. I like Granger. He’s a good player. But when you watch Gay and Granger play it should be obvious the differences between their talent and skill level. Right now Gay’s only problem is figuring out the best places for him to attack and get buckets. He doesn’t completely grasp how to get his buckets in an inside out attack, which is something that can be improved with good coaching.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Yeah Allen, the knock against Gay could very easily be shot selection. Granger’s isn’t stellar, but he doesn’t take forced shots too often.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Marc Gasol averaged a career high in shot attempts and blocks, and the second most rebounds of his career.
    You equate passivity with not scoring. I watched Gasol in Game Four. He wasn’t passive. He’s not a scorer. That is not his best attribute. The Grizz decided they should put him on the block and run offense through him because they thought he had a mismatch and it was a mistake. That’s not what he does best. He can score in small dosages on the block, but where he excels is making sure the team moves fluidly.
    I don’t know how to explain this anymore. Just because someone scores more points does not make them better. You need to look at their role on the team, how they get their buckets and what else they bring to the table.
    Pau is soft. Marc is not. This is the first time in his career anyone has ever called Marc soft. Seriously. The Clippers didn’t make him passive or soft. They made him do things he’s not good at doing.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Caboose
    I’m going to have to say that’s absolutely incorrect from what I’ve seen Granger regularly forces long jumpers, the absolute worst shot in basketball.
    Gay takes difficult shots. Typically they are difficult mid range shots. He’s much better than Granger at creating his own shot off the bounce. I’m not saying Rudy Gay is an animal. He’s still too passive at times. He doesn’t drive to the rim nearly enough and he is pathetic at drawing fouls, something Granger used to be quite good at doing.
    But, I’m baffled that people think their ceilings are similar. Or that they are close as player right now.
    I can see why people would pick Iguodala of three or four years ago. But the player of today? Nah.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Another candidate for Official Player of the TPU is Mario Chalmer. We all KNOW FOR A FACT that as Chalmers goes, so does the Miami Heat. The Pride of Alaska was already it’s greatest player ever while in high school when Booz was Marlone-ing in Utah. His impenetrable defense on Jeremy Lin almost made him quit and reconsider his future career path. He single-handedly destroyed Derrick Rose in college, in such an overwhelming manner that the NCAA was forced to vacate any records of that Memphis team. On the weekends, Spo can be found with notebook and pencil, listening intently under the tutelage of Mario Chalmers, as he describes the Oregon Ducks football offense in simpler terms.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Granger already reached his ceiling. Gay hasn’t approached his. If Iguodala could find his own nitch as a scorer, he would be the best of the 3. But i highly highly highly doubt that ever happens. Rudy is the best player today and will be the best player at his peak. But Iguodala is close. The scoring gap to my is the deciding factor though.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    WTF. Where do all these words that aren’t said get placed in peoples mouth’s from?
    1. Who said Marc Gasol was soft?
    2. Who said Gay has the same ceiling as Granger?
    Those are two things that no one said that have been purported as being just that. So stop making things up in your head to create a easier argument to win. Please. Thanks.
    I do not care if Marc Gasol is not a scorer first. He needed to be more of a scorer, and he wasn’t. Last night showed that with Gasol being aggressive offensively they are much better. He also didn’t play good defense and wasn’t a great play maker in game 4 so as I correctly said, he was not aggressive.
    Like Bynum wasn’t aggressive in the last game for the Lakers. Sometimes it happens. Guys with a ton of skill don’t show up. It happens. We just have to admit it and move on.
    Between the 3, Gay is on top, but it’s not by any sort of a wide gap what-so-ever. A team could be better with Granger than Gay and vice versa. And sub Iggy in there also.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sigh.
    I used passive multiple times. And I explained my reasoning.
    If you couldn’t grasp that, it’s on you. I wasn’t constructing a strawman argument, I was attacking the use of the term passive which is often joined at the hip with the term soft.
    Like I said, Gasol is not passive. He just doesn’t score a lot. There is a difference. He’s not out there drifting around aimlessly or watching the action. He’s doing stuff other than scoring.
    You didn’t say “Marc Gasol was passive in Game 4.”
    You said Marc Gasol has a penchant for being passive and then went on to a discussion of selfish and unselfish players. You said that this has been a career trait of Gasol’s not just a one night thing. That is where we disagreed in case you missed it.
    You equate passivity with not shooting. Gasol was active in Game 4. He posted aggressively. He just caught the ball too far out, or was not delivered the ball in proper position. He was asked to do things he’s not good at doing, and he had foul trouble.
    And I said Gay was better today, and that he had a better ceiling. In fact, this is what I wrote:
    But, I’m baffled that people think their ceilings are similar. Or that they are close as player right now.
    I can see why people would pick Iguodala of three or four years ago. But the player of today? Nah.

    Did you somehow miss the second sentence? And did you somehow miss all the comments about who would you rather have MOVING FORWARD which would seem to imply that their ceilings are under consideration?
    After all, why would I make a decision about the future without considering how each player will look in the future?
    C’mon now.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Fair enough Allen, shot selection is a crazy subjective trait, I guess I see Rudy suffering from Vince syndrome too often. To me, settling for fadeaways when you are way more athletic than your defender is a cardinal sin to me, much worse than a mildly contested 3. I watched enough of Granger scoring on the Magic this postseason, so maybe I’m biased, but Granger seems to pick his spots on offense a bit more consistently and smartly than Rudy. But again, subjective.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you just need to watch more Danny Granger, Caboose.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I love The Post Up

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I suppose I do. And just to confirm, Rudy’s ceiling is infinitely higher than either Danny or Iggy. But, follow up question, would Iggy fit into the Grizzlies’ system better than Gay?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    No, the Grizzlies are already shot on shooting. Adding another player who can’t shoot would be horrible.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Iguodala would fit into their defense. But not their offense. He would basically give them what Mike Conley already does, but worse. And he isn’t the same type of threat to score.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    The question was never about the future of the player. No one said “who would you take going forward today?” It was just who is better of the 3 SF. Meaning: Today, whom is the best to have on your team for success?
    To which, we agree. Gay. “I can’t believe there is a comparison between Rudy Gay and the other two”. That statement makes it sound as if Rudy is an elite SF on another level above Granger and Iggy who are made to sound like scrubs. They are very much so in the same sentence. They are part of the 2nd tier SF’s in the L. They aren’t as good as Bron, Melo, and Deng, but just right behind Deng. The debate is now on who is better of that tier that they are in. I would take Gay today over the other two. And going forward. But it’s damn close today. Especially depending on what team I am looking to add one of them to.
    I guess that passive and soft are similar traits. Although, if someone is labeled as soft, it is typically referring to their all around game. Not “he had a soft night.” As opposed to “he had a passive night.” It’s more of a game to game trait IMO than an all around game style. Pau is soft. Marc is not. Marc can be passive. Pau is just soft IMO.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is what you wrote:
    “Marc Gasol has a penchant for playing non-aggressive. FACT. If you don’t know this…. Do as you say and re-think how much Bball knowledge you think you have.”
    Penchant involves a sustained habit. It’s not about one night.
    And you’re welcome to think whatever you like about Gay, Iguodala and Granger.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Gay is infinitely better for the Grizz than Iggy would be IMO.
    Now put Iggy on any team where he is needed for everything save scoring, and Iggy is your guy at SF. Granger is a little more obvious imo to leave out of the mix. He has lost a step and even when he had the step he wasn’t dominant he just filled in the shoes of a dominant player. But Iggy does too much to just act like Gay is the obvious and better choice for every team.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Oh yes I absolutely 100% agree with what I said. He does have a penchant for playing passive. He should/could dominate and I think that would help the Grizz more if he was/did. He doesn’t though. He scored the same amount on 2 less FGA this year than he did two years ago which shows that he isn’t dominating like he use to. He also doesn’t rebound enough. I just think Marc regularly plays below his talent level. IMO he should be a more aggressive. That’s fine if you don’t think that.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    A team with TAllen and Iggy on the perimeter would be scary defensively but equally scary (not in a good way) offensively.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow, how many Grizzlies games do you actually watch? Or is your opinion just based off the box score? It seems like you have no clue what Marc Gasol’s role is in that offense. Unless you think “being passive” and scoring are directly linked….did you happen to look at his assist percentage? Or even attempt to think about him being a distributor on offense as much as a scorer?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I think Iggy would fit in better on the Spurs, Lakers, Knicks, Wolves, and Jazz better than Gay would. On most other teams, I’d go with Rudy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Or did you think about the difference between his shooting percentage is 100% attributed to him going from the secondary offensive big man to the primary offensive big? Which means he draws the better defender, rather than not…i mean it just takes common sense to see his efficiency took a hit as soon as he started playing without Zach Randolph.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Oh who me? I just talk straight out my ass all day. I don’t watch this game called “basket ball”. There’s a channel called ESPN that I watch. Sometimes they show a highlight or two that I base my entire basketball knowledge around. I’ll catch this awesome guy named Skip, man he’s great, always sounds intelligible when he talks about this peach basket related sporting event. So I just listen and take notes and then portray it as my own opinion later.
    You?
    Assist percentage? Uhm, naww. Didn’t check that one. Just checked the one that showed his assists are up by .3 since last year with an extra few mins play time…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LOL, it’s kind of irrelevant but his assists are actually up .6 buttercup. – and his assist % is up 3% to 14 from 11. Which means, 14% of his teammates baskets come from an assist from him. He’s the Center. Almost 15% of all made baskets while he is on the court come from him as the passer. (to put that into perspective, Pau Gasol a player i know you actually do watch a lot of and is widely considered the best passing big in the league, gets an assist on 17% of his teammates baskets while he’s on the court) Which doesn’t count that he is more than likely passing to a wing player, who is going to use more than 2 dribbles, change directions or swing the ball to another open player for the vast majority of baskets.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Marc Gasol’s primary job in the Memphis offense is to be the secondary distributor from the high to mid post. Which is a role he didn’t play as much of with Zach Randolph because Randolph was given the ball in scoring situations. Since those situations are gone, Gasol has been pulled a little further away from the basket and tasked with the responsibility of playmaker. (which is illustrated in his increase in assist % and decrease in offensive rebounding %). It’s not that he has become more passive than he used to be, it’s that he is put in a “less efficient” role with the team (brought further from the basket, tasked with shooting more mid-range jumpers instead of back to the basket hook shots), in order to make up for what the team was missing when they lost Randolph….(scoring and floor spacing).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    All of this you would know, and would never have made your previous comments “Marc Gasol has a penchant for playing non-aggressive. FACT. If you don’t know this…. Do as you say and re-think how much Bball knowledge you think you have.” if you actually did watch Memphis play on any kind of regular basis. From the sounds of your comments (consistently) you just talk out of your ass. plain and simple.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Why does it feel like Lake is going against a different person every day? One of my favorite comic strips features a guy in jail, thinking to himself, “18 arrests. 18 convictions. Maybe it’s me.” Meaning, sometimes you have to ignore coincidence and accept that the problem might be on your end.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’m all for terms of endearment, but we are men… on the internet. I know you love me like your “baby girl” and i’m your lil “buttercup”, but i’m not and it kinda trips me out. Heads up. Sweet cakes ;)
    Anywho, I forget what step i’m at in my list of things I do in an argument, but i’m going to skip to ignore the evidence and start talking trash.
    Naw, but seriously, Marc’s a great passer we all know that, I don’t need any stats to show that or back that up. Plus Skip Bayless thinks he is.
    It does not change the fact that if he is also more aggressive at getting his own shot in addition to being a primary play maker, the Grizzlies are better. Last night he shot the ball 14 times. He score 23 points and had 4 assists. He is obviously capable of dominating if he wants to. I think he should start wanting to.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    I’m curious though… what’s rudy gay’s ceiling? could he be dropping 25+? could he become a monster defender? could he be a 6 or 7 time all star? what he would be like at full power? my guess is a more aggressive Joe Johnson which is kinda cool IMO

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Kid, I am not as impressed with his defense as most people on here seem to be. I think he can become a real good defender. Not great. Scoring wise. Sky is the limit. He has shown us that he can “put it together.” He’s not a head case like Lance Stevenson, JR Smith, even Nick Young for that matter. He knows how to play smart, good bball, and I think he will do that. I see him scoring over 25 PPG in his career I just don’t know if it will be for 1 season or 5. Still kind of hard to tell what kind of player he’ll end up becoming. He is never going to be an elite passer that I can foresee. He can be an elite rebounder from the SF position. I also see him being a high percentage 3 point shooter. He is probably going to really try and polish his outside game(which is unfortunate just because it would be better for him to work from the post out) and become one of the better scoring wings in the L.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    If I had to guess, Rudy will peak at 26/7/3 for about 2 years beginning roughy 3 seasons from now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    More realistic goal is 22 and 7 on 47-48 percent from the field.

  • jayrose

    Lakeshow and nbk are major phags.

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