Wednesday, May 16th, 2012 at 9:32 am  |  135 responses

Post Up: Pacer Power

Indiana steals Game 2 in Miami, while the Spurs coast to a Game 1 win over Lob City.

Pacers 78, Heat 75 (Series tied 1-1)

An exciting playoff game going down to the final buzzer will be overshadowed on this Wednesday morning. A phenomenal performance by Pacer big man David West, who outmuscled the Heat bigs all night long and hit clutch baskets down the stretch, will be elapsed. West has legitimately become the Pacer’s go-to player they have been looking for, but his presence will not be the spotlight of the game. The fact that Mario Chalmers, not the current MVP LeBron James or Dwayne Wade, took the final shot of the game with four seconds left to tie will not be remembered. Indiana’s tremendous defense, limiting a team averaging 98.5 ppg to 75 points, will get outshined. It’s a shame, really. The two teams went a combined 2-8 on free throws in the final minute will also be forgotten. Dwayne Wade’s post-game comments will overshadow the whole game.

Everyone, please watch this video a time or two. Give it a quick glance. Let it soak in for a minute, and explain how Dwayne Wade can criticize someone for “celebrating” a playoff win.

The Heat threw a party for the arrival of LeBron James and Chris Bosh. The Pacers showed a few visible signs of emotion from a win after an extremely chippy game. Both teams played full speed all game, and tempers flared multiple times. The Pacers did no major celebration dances, no posing for the cameras, no victory laps or anything of the sort. Instead of focusing on the reasons why the Heat dropped a winnable game at home, Wade made these remarks about what happened after the final buzzer sounded:

“I don’t know if they didn’t expect to win. Every night we go out on the court, we expect to win.”

“I heard they wanted to be like the Dallas Mavericks. I saw their little celebration at the end of the game.”

If Wade wants to play the villain, so be it. Every League needs a bad guy. But comments like the ones he made take away from a fantastic game and shine the spotlight on a negative side of sports: bad player quotes.

The fact of the matter is the Pacers head home 1-1 with full momentum and two home games in a row. David West proved he could be the “go-to guy” the media claims is necessary for a Pacers title run. Paul George and Danny Granger came up big at different moments. The defense played its best game of the year and the Pacers proved they can hang with the top dogs in the East. Game 2 was not a game in which the Heat blatantly beat themselves—the Pacers deserved the victory and outplayed the Heat. If the Heat don’t get their act together quickly, they could be staring a series deficit straight in the eye after Thursday night in Indianapolis. —Dave Spahn (@DaveSpahn)

Spurs 108, Clippers 92 (SAS leads 1-0)

Signs pointed to the younger Los Angeles Clippers being able to play with the older San Antonio Spurs on Tuesday. For about a quarter, that is. Tied up at 29-29 to start the second quarter, Tim Duncan & Co. imposed their will the rest of the way en route to a rather impressive 108-92 victory in Game 1 of the Western Conference semifinals. Furthermore, the Spurs silenced some of their critics who thought they were on the downside of their careers and the shortened season might catch up with them at some point.

And with the particularly lopsided result, perhaps they sent a message to the rest of the League that they still have something left in the tank and are on the verge of big things. This much is clear: The Clippers do not appear to be up to the task of making things interesting.

For all the talk about Blake Griffin being the future, Duncan upstaged him to prove that he’s still one of the premiere players at his position and the face of Lob City has a long way to go. There’s no substitute for experience, I suppose.

Duncan scored 26 points on 12-of-20 shooting from the field. Can’t forget to mention his 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals. In comparison, Griffin finished with 15 points on 7-17 shooting. He added 9 rebounds too. Anyone who watched the game somewhat close could clearly see how over-matched Griffin was.

Duncan might have lost a step. Collectively, the Spurs might have lost step. Nevertheless, the Clippers are in trouble, based on the what we witnessed Tuesday. Granted, this series is not only about Duncan vs. Griffin. There are interesting match-ups all over the court. That said, can’t imagine things being much different in Game 2. —Sean Ceglinsky (@seanceglinsky)

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Whoa…I like Rodman, but more than TD, Garnett, Barkley, Malone? No way. He went beyond being a bad scorer, he was actually an offensive liability. All of the other PFs in the discussion were two way players at an elite level.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Chambers retired in ’93, he wasn’t the Chambers that we know.Dumas had a very solid rookie season and got the boot for substance abuse soon after. Ainge was a solid spot up shooter and a horrible defensive liability at that point in his career. I won’t lie though, that Suns squad was awesome with Oliver Miller, Thunder Dan, KJ, Ceballos and co!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kadavour
    Except Garnett can provide you with rebounds, defense, decent post up and spreading the floor.
    And Duncan can provide with all of that in one package as well.
    That’s why I have those two above everybody else. We have not seen many players like Garnett and Duncan in the history of the NBA as this current crop of power forwards proves.
    I mean, they were so great they completly overshadowed the careers of cats like Chris Webber and Rasheed and LJ and others. And Duncan didn’t get into the League until 1997.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    So nobody cares about the top 5 SG’s debate then??

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    DMH – I was only talking about the 93 season. And Chambers was still a good player, he averaged like 12 and 4 (as the 7th option). He was still good. Dumas was really good that year. And Ceballos was pretty good as well. I think Ceballos and Chambers both averaged like 12 and 4 or 5 off the bench.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    GP, almost everyone’s looks like this,
    .
    Jordan,
    Kobe,
    West,
    Iverson,
    Wade.
    -
    Some people classify Oscar Robertson as a 2.
    Some people classify Iverson as a 1.
    That is almost all of the parity, I doubt many other people have Drexler or Reggie in there over any of those guys. I think it wouldn’t be much of a debate. But I could be wrong..

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    nbk: Reggie better not be anywhere close to that list. I’m sorry, but I think Reggie is the most overrated player in NBA history.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol hater. Reggie shouldn’t be on anyone’s top 5, but he isn’t too overrated if he’s not. He was a good player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    From 1989/90-2000/01 – Reggie Miller.
    .
    FG: 6.7 FGA: 14.0 FG% .476 3P: 2.0 3PA: 5.0 3P%: .402 FT: 5.2 FTA: 5.9 FT%: .889 TRB: 3.2 AST: 3.2 STL: 1.2 TOV: 2.0 PTS: 20.6
    .
    Those are solid solid numbers. For a decade.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Top 5 centers
    1. Wilt
    2. Russell
    3. Kareem
    4. Shaq
    5. Hakeem

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I would take Prime Clyde over Prime AI.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Michael Redd has similar numbers. Also for a decade.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    20.0PPG, 4.0RPG, 2.3APG, 45%, 38%, 1.0stl, 1.7TO – So yes, similar. But worse. And we all know how bad Michael Redd was defensively right?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Michael Redd is only in his 11th season btw. So it’s not like splitting his numbers into a decade really paints you a picture of how good he was over a sustained period of time. He had two seasons where he averaged over 25PPG. Which totally flub his decade average. Before and after those seasons his combined averages are/were 16 and 17 points per game. Not really an extended career of dominant play. He was a really really good offensive player for 6 years. Other than that, his knee injury really screwed up what could have been a great career. — And for the record, I have Reggie after Ray Allen on my SG list. I just wanted to point out he’s not really overrated as long as people aren’t putting him on a pedestal.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVM11tMaMWg LakeShow

    Don’t hate on Regg Caboose. He might get tossed around with the greats a little too much, but everyone knows he’s on the outside looking in of all-timers. He is probably top 8 SG’s for sure.
    Your right nbk, pretty much the only discrepancy in the SG list is going to be whether you find AI to be a PG or SG, and ditto with Big O.
    I’m just going to say it. I have a huge problem with Wilt and Russell being placed as the 2 best centers ever. Maybe from a career accomplishments stand point, but the L was completely different when they played and i’m 100% positive that Shaq, Hakeem and Kareem were better players than both of them. Not at certain things(eg. Wilt’s athleticism, Russells defense) but they were better players.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    1) Jordan, 2a) Robertson, 2b) Bryant, 4) West, 5) Iverson, 6) Wade, 7) Maravich, 8) Drexler, 9) Ray Allen, 10) Reggie Miller.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    By far the two hardest positions to come up with top 10′s for are PG and SF. SF being absurd after the top 5 which still has plenty of parody.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVM11tMaMWg LakeShow

    Taylor, something is wrong with you.
    Although, The Glide did have an 8 assist season in his 3rd year. That kind of shocked me. Dude could pass the ball!
    What is “prime” Clyde anyway? He was a good defender some years. Better scorer other years. Better passer certain years. Not a prolific rebounder from the 2 spot per his size ever(till his last couple years).
    AI is better by quite a bit imo. But I only caught the end of Drexler’s career as opposed to all of AI’s.
    Damn, forgot about The Pistol. Alright Regg doesn’t make my top 8 either lol.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    What about George Gervin and Manu Ginobili in the SG list?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I classify Gervin as a SF. And Manu has just not been productive enough to be on that list. His career averages are like 15Pts 4Rbs 4Ast – He has been fortunate to play for San Antonio, but that isn’t enough of a reason to give him the nod over any of those guys.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, prime Clyde is the cat that put up 27/6/6 with 2.5spg on 50% shooting and 27/8/6 with 2.7spg on 50% shooting in back-to-back seasons. AI never came close to putting up similar all-around numbers nor did he ever come close to matching Clyde’s efficiency.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Drexler and Iverson are just too different. I wouldn’t be able to pick one over the other without knowing who I’m picking them to play with.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I have no problem with people having Drexler higher than Iverson.
    Awesome scorer, efficient player, very good consistency and team success.
    I mean, I’m partial to Iverson because that’s my guy, but it is perfectly reasonable to have Drexler and West higher than him. You can even make the argument for Wade, although that’s a more difficult argument in my opinion.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP, so you have AI ahead of West?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Man, if you look at Wade v Drexler at the same point in each career, Wade is clearly the better player. And in actual age they are only separated by a year. That and Wade has won a championship and won a finals MVP. So he’s accomplished just as much in his career in less time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Top SGs:

    1)Jordan
    2a)Kobe
    2b)Jerry West
    4)Clyde the Glide
    5)Allen Iverson
    6)D-Wade
    7)Pistol Pete
    8)Ray Allen
    9)Joe Dumars
    10)Reggie Miller

  • Anthony

    Who would you rather have on your team, both on their prime, Manu or Ray Allen ?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I wish I got to watch more Maravich. I would probably rank him higher if I actually got to see all the things he could do.

  • Matt Park

    I would rather have Manu in his prime…

  • shutup

    I posted this on another thread but the question begs to be asked. How sick would it be if KG and TD faced off in the finals? Rondo vs Parker. Manu vs Allen. Pierce vs Diaw or Jackson. LBJ and KD have got years ahead of them to compete for supremacy this matchup is long overdo much like Henderson vs Shogun. For those that don’t watch UFC; youtube that fight- epic battle.

  • Scott

    If Caboose’s mom wasn’t a sleazy cumdumpster, would we have to suffer his comments? If nbk wasn’t a virgin, would he be here talkin bout dead ball players? If Allenp wasn’t into men, would he analyze the league so hard? If shutup would follow his name, would we all still be reading his stupidity? If Lakeshow wasn’t a sissified panzy, would it be as fun to son him? If JTaylor wasn’t a geek, would anyone respect him? If Da Meat Hook didn’t like his meat hooked, would he and Wayno give each other braino?

  • http://www.google.be/imgres?q=NO!+meme&um=1&hl=nl&sa=N&rlz=1C1AFAB_enBE454BE454&biw=1600&bih=763&tbm=isch&tbnid=L3l0ZW3D5dDSDM:&imgrefurl=http://forthesakeofscience Max

    ^LOL

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shutup
    I would love to see that, but the problem is that I would have to listen to another summer and season of LeBron analysis.

  • everything

    still rooting for the heat to tie up the series. if wade can score at least 20 and the third leading scorer can reach double figures, heat can still steal a game in indiana and head back home with homecourt adv intact.

  • hillbilly

    @Scott: That, good sir, was a thing of beauty. I hereby award you the entire internets.

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