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Thursday, May 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 am  |  174 responses

Post Up: Spurs Rolling

San Antonio stomps on Utah (again), the Pacers roll and Memphis evens its series with LAC.

Spurs 114, Jazz 83 (SAS leads 2-0)

San Antonio continued to roll in Game 2 of the first round matchup between the Spurs and Jazz.

San Antonio controlled the game from the start, opening the game with a 10-2 run, putting the young Jazz team on their heels. Unlike Game 1, the Jazz could not rebound and turn this into a close game at any point.

Utah was held to just 23.4 percent shooting over the first 24 minutes while also turning the ball over 9 times, which resulted in 14 early transition points for San Antonio. San Antonio shot the ball amazing throughout the contest, shooting 57 percent from the floor and knocking down 10 three-pointers in the game.

Tony Parker scored 18 points and dished out 9 dimes for the Spurs. Tim Duncan had a double double in the contest, adding 12 points and 13 rebounds. “I thought we moved the ball great and our shooters were making shots,” said Parker. “Defensively, I thought we did a good job controlling the boards.”

Josh Howard and Al Jefferson scored 10 points apiece to lead the Jazz, who shot just 34.4 percent from the field for the game. “Is this series over? “Of course not,” said Jazz point guard Devin Harris in regards to the Playoff series. “We’ve had our struggles on the road. We were one of the better teams at home. We look forward to playing on our home floor. They won the first two games. They’re supposed to, they’re a good team.”

Look for the Jazz to rebound in Game 3 in Salt Lake City as they attempt to defend home court. The Jazz were one of the best teams at home in the regular season this year, posting a 25-8 record when in the confines of the Delta Center. “We have been great at home and we need to continue that,” Jazz head coach Tyrone Corbin said. “They’re going to come in a try and jump us early. We have to try and prepare for that.” —Christian Mordi (@mordi_thecomeup)

Pacers 97, Magic 74 (IND leads 2-1)

Finally, finally, Frank Vogel may have found the way to get the message of shot selection through the brains of his players. After the first two games of, uh, “poor” shot selection from the Pacers (the team shot 34.5 percent from the field in the first game, and Danny Granger and David West shot a combined 12-35 in Game 2), coach Vogel addressed the problem outright. “We’ve been forcing up too much stuff in the paint,” explained Vogel in pre-game. “We’re not seeing the second side well enough; we’re not recognizing opportunities for a second drive and kick. I mentioned that about a hundred times since Game 2.”

In a collective scoring outing where five players reached double figures, the Pacers brought a balanced attack on the offensive end for another high scoring output. Granger poured in a game-high 26 points including 5-9 from beyond the arc. Roy Hibbert crossed into double figures for the first time this series with 18 points, and his 10 rebounds made him the only Pacer player to record a double-double. George Hill continued his effective offensive production with 15, and birthday boy Paul George (22 years old) finished with 12 points and a team-high 4 assists.

The Magic, however, continue their offensive blues. They’ve failed to score over 81 points in any game this series and average just under 78 points per game over the three games. Glen Davis led the way offensively with 22 points. Only two other guys, Jameer Nelson and J.J Redick, even cracked the double-digit mark for the Magic. They shot a decent 42 percent from the field but shot 50 percent (9-18) from the foul line. A struggling offensive team needs to convert from the charity stripe.

Game 3 completely changed the feeling of the series. After the first game, the Pacers felt like a boxer who caught an unexpected right hook to the mouth. The Magic were on cloud nine about starting the series 1-0 on the road. The second game leveled the playing field and brought both teams back to reality. However, last night’s game set the tone for the Pacers. They got up after the initial blow to the face and struck back hard. Their 23-point drumming of the Magic showed they aren’t playing around anymore. Their offensive struggles seem to be in the rearview mirror now. The Magic are searching for anything to hold onto to regain momentum heading into what very well may be their final home game of the 2011-2012 season. After an offensive drought as bad as a summer without rainfall, the Magic are a misstep or two away from the first Dwight Howard off-season rumor of the year. —Dave Spahn (@DaveSpahn)

Grizzlies 105, Clippers 98 (Series tied 1-1)

The problem with sequels is everything.

The Clippers couldn’t do that thing again where they forced you to call your friends and family to see if you were actually awake that whole time. They lost to a very, very composed Grizzlies team, 105-98.

Oh, there were a few seconds when it felt like the Clippers were going to pull off something out of a bad Disney movie again. They were down 13 with 3:50 to play. Memphis was due for a TV timeout. The Clippers regrouped, then came out with five points in 50 seconds. They decided they were going to start pressuring jumpshooters 44 minutes into the game.

But it was too late. That would be two acts of God in a row. Even Tim Tebow would consider that a little greedy.

Chris Paul went off. This is going to happen, by the way. He’s going to maneuver to whatever spot he wants, set up a nice cozy area to build a sturdy little embankment out of stones and grass, and gently drop in jumpshots all night. Then he’ll look at his teammates and give them the “Hey, you guys want in on this?” look, and their answer will be, “No.”

This happens all the time with Chris Paul and I’m starting to get a little upset for him. To be a leader in the NBA in 2012, it’s apparently not enough to simply be unexplainably good.

Paul had 29. Blake Griffin had 22, but four in the last two minutes. Bobby Simmons, who didn’t play in Game 1 and was in the D-League in February, started and finished the game.

You can’t pull that kind of thing off against the Grizzlies, who were stolid communal rocks amongst fallen debris. If you survive the coming apocalypse, they are who to call. They can make it work.

Man, this team has it together. Their first quarter was intensely flat. Usually after fireball losses like that, teams are aimless bats out of hell, then fall under their own weight by the middle of the fourth quarter. (See: Game 1.)

Not this team. The pace was methodical and structured and boring as hell. And it worked.

DeAndre Jordan had a Dunk-of-the-Year-candidate oop in the fourth. He made Tony Allen look like a ball of sadness. Next bucket? Rudy Gay on a turnaround deep in the shotclock.

It was methodical and structured and boring as hell and it’s probably good enough to go to the Western Conference Finals.

And is Chris Paul better than that all by himself? Yep, probably. Somebody should tell the rest of the Clippers. —Ben Collins

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  • eyal

    on the CP comment, is there anyone outside of Isiah thomas and maybe bird who has ever dominating a game so strategically? You think of one-man dominating game changers and the names that come to mind are, Russel, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Jordan, Duncan, Lebron (probably missing a few). I think CP is in that category, but dude is 6 feet tall, on a bum knee and does it all WITH HIS MIND. The saying comes to mind: he’s playing chess while everyone else is playing dice.

  • eyal

    …or something like that

  • http://slamonline.com/ Abe Schwadron

    checkers?

  • whooo!

    I thought Mayo played phenomenal defense with his effort in the second half on Chris Paul. Refs are letting them body up and be physical, which helps Memphis. Will be interesting how it’s called in LA.

  • whooo!

    And I laugh everyone I think about the totally homer “jazz in 7″ preview and how it got torn up by commenters. Last night was an epic beatdown by a team firing on every cylinder (except Manu, who played poorly). The big 3 are so well rested you almost worry more about rust than their age.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    So “he” still hopes that his analysis will come true (4-3 Jazz)…mentions the home record of the Jazz and not thinking that the Spurs are one of the best road teams ever.

  • http://www.google.com/search?q=It%E2%80%99s+extremely+hard+when+a+6-8+guy+can+easily+defend+you&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Allenp

    Tony Freaking Allen.
    Respect the game.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Last nights Memphis win was all about OJ Mayo in the 4th. They were ready to trade him for Josh McRoberts.

  • http://www.google.com/search?q=It%E2%80%99s+extremely+hard+when+a+6-8+guy+can+easily+defend+you&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Allenp

    Mayo did his thing, no doubt. But Tony Allen set he tone. He had like five amazing defensive plays that changed the flow of the game. And Rudy Gay was a horse in isolation. He was hitting elite level shots.
    Also, yesterday in the discussion of Kobe versus Wade there seemed to be an attempt to compare the 2011 Heat to the 2004 Lakers and have the Heat come away with the better team.
    Complete bulls)hit. And every one who advanced that argument has been noted.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I agree about Rudy Gay, he was getting to his spots and rising up over who ever guarded him, he had a great, efficient game. I can’t remember many of Tony Allens plays on the defensive end.

  • http://www.google.com/search?q=It%E2%80%99s+extremely+hard+when+a+6-8+guy+can+easily+defend+you&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Allenp

    He had some steals in the passing lane, harassed dribblers and rebounders, great rotations (Although sometimes he got caught free lancing) and just overall played a great defensive game. I tend to watch him on defense to see how he operates so I notice the stuff he’s doing.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    If you’re the Spurs, and you are in the 2nd round. Who do you want to play? Memphis or LAC? And why. Go!

  • http://www.google.com/search?q=It%E2%80%99s+extremely+hard+when+a+6-8+guy+can+easily+defend+you&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Allenp

    That is a tough one Hursty. If I really had to choose, I would say Lakers. Only because I think you might have more luck against their bench. Only reason.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You mean the Clippers?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I’m probably just used to Allen’s great defense (as we all are). Mayo’s defense is what impressed me on Chris Paul. I remember him having some success in last years play-offs against Westbrook.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    If I’m the Spurs, I don’t care. Clippers would be easier but Grizzlies offers revenge; I think San Antonio is winning either way.
    I think Roy Hibbert heard me complaining about his play yesterday cause he really stepped up last night. And Ryan Anderson has officially been Monstarred, dude looks like a slower Luke Walton at this point.
    I’ll bet money on a Heat/Spurs Finals matchup at this point.

  • http://www.google.com/search?q=It%E2%80%99s+extremely+hard+when+a+6-8+guy+can+easily+defend+you&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Allenp

    Oh wait, the Spurs wound up with the one seed. My bad.
    Oh I would want the Clippers without a doubt. The Clippers will be easy pickings.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    My bad, the Clippers for sure. I forgot the Spurs were the one seed and not the two seed.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That was me posting as NBK at 12:32.
    Gotta love Slam’s problems.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^ that’s awesome.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t think the Spurs want to see the Grizzlies at all. That team matches up sooooo well with San Antonio, no matter what that series wouldn’t be a cakewalk, and i doubt gregg popovich wants his guys going through a war in the 2nd round.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lionel Hollins doesn’t like Tony Allen guarding Chris Paul. I didn’t catch the reasoning if they gave it (crying baby) but OJ did his thing in the possessions he was tasked with guarding Chris Paul.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    So, you guys take the Clippers as the easier mark. Say they play Memphis instead, and everyone’s healthy. What are the key mismatches that get exploited.
    I’m doing a uni assessment right now, it’s 2.45am and I’m checking here for ‘break time’, so keep writing! Ha!

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    It would be really cool to see Parker and Paul goin’ head to head again. But neither the Clips or Memphis can get pass San Antonio.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t think it’s as much about exploiting match-ups as much as it is, Memphis has the ability to defend the Spurs at every position, and then can slow the game down and win with size in the paint. Tony Parker and Mike Conley is obviously in the Spurs favor, but their isn’t a much better defender to have on Parker in the league than Conley. Then you have Manu v Tony Allen which is absolutely awesome. Rudy Gay v Kawhi Leonard is wonderful. And Tim Duncan v either Marc Gasol or Zach Randolph. Whichever one of them is not matching up with Duncan is the only real glaring mis-match in the series, even though Splitter/Blair are not bad defenders.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    @Hursty…The only mismatch I can think of is who will guard Gasol. Blair is to small for him, but then again Spurs is soooo deep that they have Splitter or Diaw that can guard Marc. Leonard/SJackson can guard Gay. Tony Allen, as much he is an excellent defender he can’t guard Manu (Manu toys him even with the injury last year). Randolph v. Duncan. Danny green’s lenght will be a problem for Mayo. Parker may be too quick for Conley. I just hope Arenas won’t get to his Hibachi mode.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    To me, I think that Memphis would have the obvious advantage inside, although not as much as last year since Splitter is playing better.
    Spurs would have an advantage in the backcourt, but not huge either. Tony Parker is much better than Conley, but with the way Conley stays within himself for the most part, the Grizzlies won’t be hurt that much by the mismatch. Manu has been inconsistent and I like Tony Allen’s chances with him. Rudy Gay and Stack Jack should be fun. Overall, I like Memphis for some reason, but I’m not as confident as I was last year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I’m not so sure about Memphis NOT being able to beat the spurs. The grizzles are such a versatile team but the clippers are so reliant on CP3 right now.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    That Clippers and Grizzlies series is going to 7 games. Believe that.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I have always felt that RGay had elite level talent and the ability to be an all-nba performer year after year but for some reason he hasn’t put it all together yet and I doubt he will. I think his biggest problem is a reliance on taking tough, contested shots. He’s such a good jumpshooter and is probably the best tough-shot maker in the NBA, that he falls in love with it and rarely attacks the rim like someone with his size/athleticism should (attempted only 4 FTs a game this season).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Good point Taylor

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Best tough-shot maker in the NBA? Nah, that’s Kobe for sure. But I agree with the rest.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I just went back and read the back end of that conversation on yesterday TPU, uhm, the way people talk about Kobe Bryant is insane. insane.
    .
    and then people bring up Jordan’s opinion on Kobe as their arguing point….like Jordan is such a great judge of talent and ability?
    .
    it’s ok that Wade is better than Kobe today, it is ok. the sky isn’t falling.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The two best series’ hands down are Memphis-Clipshow and OKC-Dallas. And how the hell does Vinny DN NOT give Nick Young more burn after that clutch Game 1 performance? Sit Randy Foye and give Nick Young 35+ minutes. Seriously.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    A line-up of:
    1. Paul
    2. Bledsoe
    3. Young
    4. Griffin
    5. Jordan
    should also be considered, especially when closing. How does Chris Paul lead your team in scoring by that much when you have ALL these guards who can score?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    9:13PM “@sooperfadeaway VDN not having Nick Young in right now is not surprising. That guy probably doesn’t even know the score or how much time is left” – i felt the same way teddy.

  • Niio

    @nbk Hollins doesn’t like Allen guarding Paul because he likes to take gambles on defense and if he reaches, Paul teaches. He’s also pretty physical and Paul is a flop master = foul trouble.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    thanks niio, is that what they said? or did you hear/read that somewhere else?

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    The jazz are getting eaten ALIVE. I thought they’re big lineup could give the spurs some problems… what happened?

  • Niio

    nbk I heard it on the broadcast last night

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that was hogwash kid. Jazz are too young, too inexperienced. And Al Jefferson is severely overrated.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Did you know that during the 2004 playoffs, the year the Lakers lost to the Pistons, Kobe shot 153 more field goals than Shaq over a 22 game span.
    And he only made eight more field goals total.
    Amazing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    thanks i appreciate it niio

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    If you watched enough Grizz games, you would know that no one in the L takes and makes (key) more tough, contested shots than RGay.
    For BGriff to take that next step and become a great player, he must add a true go-to move down on the low block. That spin move he does every freaking time isn’t going to cut it, defenders are now anticipating the move before he even does it. It would be benefit him to add that fake spin to his left shoulder and shoot over his right (vice versa) move. There is no excuse for someone like ZBo to be able to hold BGriff in check, none.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Taylor, you trying to inflame me with that Gay garbage.
    T. Allen is beast. I love watching him play. 100%, 100% of the time.
    I’ve got New York taking tonight’s game. Should be a little more entertaining for those of us that don’t feel like watching another Heat stomping.
    Jazz are getting the whupping a 8th seed that barely made it should, so far. Spurs looking legit. But they should, I didn’t have the Jazz making the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen that is a staggering statistic. holy sh*t.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    In case you were wondering, Kobe averaged right at 21 shots during the playoffs that year, Shaq was at 14.
    And Kobe shot 41 percent from the field to Shaq’s 59 percent.
    But yeah, Kobe just knows how to win…

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I’ve heard that before^^ it’s amazing that phil jackson didn’t lose his damn mind. I’m hoping Kobe does something similar in the finals against Miami.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    the pistons really had no business winning that series SMH

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, I remember in the finals Kobe could not handle a young Tayshaun Prince being able to really bother him. His plan B, force more shots.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe took 460 field goals. Shaq took 307. Kobe made 190. Shaq made 182.
    Again, this is prime Shaq, who played two more games than Kobe during the regular season, and averaged 21.5, 11.5 and 2.9 assists and 2.5 blocks. On 58 percent shooting.
    At a certain point, you have to stop lying and making excuses.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That Pistons team was a deeper team. They can compete with any modern championship team.
    BUT
    If Kobe plays smart, even with Karl Malone hobbled (And he only scored two fewer points because of that injury) the Lakers should have still won.
    The Pistons had no real answer for Shaq. No one in the League did.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I think the Clippers really have no business winning a playoff series. VDN is really that bad. He needs to be fired and they need a real coach ASAP.
    Mike Brown coaches circles around VDN. Wow, can’t believe I just said that.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    The Pistons defense won that series. It was incredible how they won it. Props to Larry Brown aswell, he knew how to handle that Laker team with 4 HOFers. But yeah, they really should not have won that series.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    The fact that Kobe has never averaged over 46% from the field in his career is staggering. However, this does not tarnish his amazing career. He shot a lot, but then he had to with average teammates for a good period of his career, 04-08. Still, the dude sometimes makes the toughest shots seem relatively easy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Detroit Finals
    Game One, Shaq scores 34 points on 16 field goal attempts. He makes 13 of his 16 shots. For those counting at home, that’s 81 percent.
    Game Two he scores 29 on 10 for 20 shooting.
    Game Three, his worst of the series, he scores 14 points on 14 shots. He does shoot 50 percent from the floor but doesn’t make a single free throw.
    Game Four 36 points on 76 percent shooting
    Game 5 20 points on 53 percent shooting.
    I watched every game. Kobe was ignoring Shaq repeatedly. It was horrible. There is no excuse.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    GP23
    It’s 47 percent from the field. He’s never shot 47 percent.
    And we still haven’t addressed how the Lakers managed to get swept last year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’ll address it. Kobe is not a good leader.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Also Griffin needs to do allot. Not just one “go-to move.” He needs an arsenal. His jump shot is getting better slowly, but that’s not all he needs either. He needs some fundamentals. He is way to often just jumping. That’s my biggest problem with him. It’s always jump first, everything else 2nd. He needs to refine that game. CP3 deserves to have a legit post guy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And everybody should at least skim through that story NBK linked to about stats and their place in the game.

  • http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2012/03/strengths-and-limitations-of-advanced.html nbk

    You can click my name if you are interested.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Gotta have one weapon first before thinking about an arsenal.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    I would like to see that link, sounds interesting. Anyway, yes I agree, Kobe was ignoring him. Although instead of ‘ignoring,’ it was more like ‘going for self glory’ (pretty much the same, but you get my drift). Kobe really was trying to become Jordan in that series. But I don’t know if you ever read Phil Jackson’s book “The Last Season” (I recommend it btw). Phil mentions that Shaq’s defense was poor in that series, as he could not defend the pick n roll. He mentions that was more detrimental than Kobe’s ‘glory hunting.’ Kobe was just trying to be Jordan. The comparisons to him (absurd I know) really got into his mind, and made him think he could do anything on the court. That game winner in Game 2 by him though was sweet. And whta was the first thing the announcer said when he made it, .. “That was Jordanesque” !!!!

  • http://nba.com GP23

    .. or something to do with Michael Jordan anyway. Thanks nbk.

  • T-Money

    blake griffin is not a complete player but too much is made about his lack of post game. who has good/great post moves in the nba right now? td, z-bo, al jeff, pau gasol… that’s the list. everyone else has a turn around j, a power dribble and maybe a jump hook. blake can’t dance inside but he can get busy with deep post position. what he needs is to hit free throws and develop an elbow jumper. that will change EVERYTHING for him, i’m talking top 5 status, best 4 in the league. also, he has the best handle of any bigs in the league – that needs to be mentioned as well.

  • Bola

    @ datkid, naa the same night the black mamba with the mask had against heat is the same night he will have if lakers ever meet the heat. that match didn’t Kobe make James and Wade useless on D?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree with T-Money.
    Although I think he needs at least a jump hook.
    Karl Malone became a hall of famer with a jump hook, a jumper and the willingness to run faster than every other big in the League.
    That’s all you need.

  • Bola

    And everybody talking down on Kobe and bringing Wade’s name up. I got 2 words for you, 5 rings. Talk to Kobe’s hand when Wade can reach that level.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    wth are you talking about Bola. NOBODY said Wade was better than Kobe all-time. Saying stuff like that is completely irrelevant. Makes you look overly emotional too

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    ^What a dumbass

  • ripslam

    @T-Money: You can add Marc Gasol, Kevin Garnett, Andrew Bynum, Carmelo Anthony, and Nene to that list. I’m not of the idea that Blake should be Hakeem Olajuwon by his third year in the league, but it is one of the deficiencies in his game.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    T-Money – Al Horford has some pretty nice handles too for a big.

  • Bola

    I’m just saying cuz last post up, people brought up Wade a better player that Kobe when on NBA.COM the stats show otherwise. I aint gonna lie Kobe jacks up shot and can be selfish but dude is a legend plus i aint a kobe fan. And i hope what a dumbass aint thrown at me,cuz you don’t want it with me @ T-Ray

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Like Barkely said; you don’t need 10 different post moves to be an effictive post player, you need two (a go-to move and a counter move). I’m not saying he can’t become a great player without it but it would accelerate his development exponentially. I don’t know about y’all but I don’t want the most athletic PF in the NBA shooting 18-20 footers, I want him down low, closer to the basket.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You can shoot jumpers and be down low. Again, Karl Malone.
    With his quickness, handle and leaping ability having reliable jumper would make him filthy. Adding a reliable jump hook to his already impressive counter moves arsenal (He has some of the best fakes in the league) would make him the best power forward in the League easily.
    It’s really that simple.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Bola what are you gonna do about it? Come kick my ass?

  • Bola

    IF griffin could shoot like KEvin love or Garnett, with a post move like Hakeem. Best PF in the league. When the D is stopping him from dunking, he would just shoot and when they come out to contest the shot, he goes into the post. But the main flaw i think his the free throw shooting. My advise for clippers management during the summer they find a damn pretty good free throw coach/teacher to work on it. Hakeem is a nice guy he could probably teach griffin post moves anyday,anytime,anywhere

  • Bola

    Naa. I’m too matured to act that way if dats the way you act, God help us all.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    You threatened me so I just asked the question. You say I don’t want it with you so I’m just curious as to see what you had in mind.

  • LA Huey

    I think Knicks will win their lone game of the series tonight. Between a game at MSG and his brand new baby, Bosh won’t be focused enough to counter all the crowd-inspired rain that Novak and JR will bring tonight.

  • Bola

    Was it a threat? I felt like i wuz just telling you to leave my case alone. Oh well ma bad if it felt like a threat.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Maybe not a threat but more so a warning. My words were quite strong my bad just thought you were one of these people who post dumnb sh*t with no reasoning. Proceed my friend.

  • Bola

    lol. This is the only website people think alike. Youtube is just a warfare. if it aint xbox is better than ps3. it’s COD is better than BF3,

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Bola I showed you yesterday Wade had a better season this year in every tangible way but PPG. Idk what you mean Nba.com shows he had a better season.

  • Bola

    @ nbk I’m not talking about this season. I’m talking overall. Kobe stats are way better and is this supposed to be Kobe’s season? coming of from 2 injuries starting with a new coach not having the type of players Wade has. Common man, Kobe is a boss. Wade aint got nothing on him. Don’t forget dude contributed to Kobe’s broken nose but that didn’t slow kobe down whooping heat and wade ass.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    I’ll get Delonte to give you wet willy’s if you children don’t behave haha
    Also, it’s 5.48am here. Just finishing my assignment. Thanks for the banter fellas. Enjoy reading it when I’m on a break, or when I’m in a particularly boring lecture.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I mean you realize Wade has been better than Kobe every year for the last 3 years right?
    .
    And this season is the healthiest Kobe has been in a while, you know that too right?
    .
    You also realize LA was 1-1 against Miami this year right?

  • T-Money

    ripslam: even with andrew bynum and marc gasol, what truly sets them apart is that they never bring the ball below their chin. they don’t have a bag of tricks. / also, there are many ways to get to the rim. i have no issues with blake catching it in the mid range area, putting the moves on his man and finishing at the rim. he does that a lot and really well – who cares that its not a post move?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ nbk I hope you realize the futility of this. It’s good conversation but at the end of the day, no convincing ever happens.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    nobody said yesterday that Wade has had a better career than Kobe either. for the record.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I know Nick, I’m bored, winding down the week can’t get into anything new at work cuz i am goin to Vegas early tomorrow

  • Bola

    for the past 3 years? do you mean from 2010-2012. Then you know that in that amount of time KObe won a championship against Celtics, where is Wade? You do realise Kobe was the MVP at that final. Now let’s look at Wade, might i add Lechoke. Where did they go in their own finals?what did they do against Mavs? 3 years = Kobe 1 championship 1 MVP. Wade is still searching. I love Wade but to tell me he’s has been better than kobe,common.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You do realize teams win championships right? Not just one guy….Wade has been as good as Kobe offensively….and more efficient for 3+ years. And he’s been a better defender since 2006. Wade has been a better player for a while.
    .
    Kobe is one of my favorite players all-time, and he is in the top 10 conversation, but just like every player to ever play basketball, other guys are better then them at some point. Kobe was better than Jordan for a couple years. Dwight was better than Shaq for a couple years. It happens, it’s fine. Kobe is still an elite player, but he just blatantly doesn’t provide what Wade does. He is just fortunate to be on an uber talented team…and a team that is talented in a way that is built for winning and success in todays NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I am not saying Wade is heads and tails better than Kobe, he is just better. More efficient, equally productive in less minutes, and a much better defender.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    bruh. bola. kobe had that night bc lebron couldn’t lock him down (he had to guard pau gasol, since chris bosh was out) if he had been on him, the heat would’ve won. nobody said that Wade had a better career than kobe that would be silly. but right now wade is better. just like at some point in the future KD will be better than lebron. it happens. your arguing with nobody

  • Bola

    Efficient? why didn’t that translate to a championship last year? And offensively? Then why are heat number 2 in their seed trailing the bulls for the second time. Teams win championship but the go to guys (Wade and Lebron) what happened to them. Defensively maybe i can agree with that. but offensively? I have seen Kobe close more games than Wade has this season. Last year the only reason they beat the bulls was cuz of Lebron and bulls didn’t have someone who could create apart from Rose.They relied on Rose too much and it cost them, God has been so merciful to give them this year. But I will want lakers to win the WC if they can then you will know Kobe is above and beyond. Magic and Bird passed the touch to Michael. Michael passed the touch to Kobe. Kobe might as well pass the touch to Lebron if he wins a ring doo

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Arguing that Kobe’s team success in the past few years made him better than Wade is like arguing that Nash’s MVPs made him better than Kobe those two years.
    Be serious.
    Next you’ll argue that Bynum is better than Dwight and Pau is better than Dirk. They both had more team success after all.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lakers fans are hilarious.
    We do remember that Kobe got swept right? And the League’s “closer” was choking away Game Seven before Gasol and Artest stepped up, right?
    Don’t forget that 39 point drubbing in 2008.
    Or losing to the Suns after going up 3-1, and disappearing in the Final game.
    Then there is 2004 and the entire period before the three peat.
    Oh, and Shaq winning every single Finals MVP when they hooped together.
    This shifting morass of justifications is hilarious. Y’all change up strategies more than a pimp.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Well…I have already heard the “Bynum is better than Howard” line from quite a few “analysts”.

  • Bola

    That’s no excuse. ESPN hypes up Lebron like he’s the best man to man defender. That should be no problem. If the mavs could handle Lebron and wade together i don’t see what the problem is. Kobe anyday, allday will destroy and rip Wade. Efficiently? For crying out loud that dude last year was only looking for body contact during the playoffs. Before he raised his fingers up he was already crying out to the ref for a foul, and that is efficient? give me a break. did you watch the mavs game when he took that last second shot from the half court, dirk didn’t even touch him he was looking up to the ref for a foul. PA-LEASE, that’s suppose to be efficient. Maybe the wade of 2003-2009

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Uhm Wade and LeBron actually beat the Mavericks. Can you say that about Kobe and the Lakers? Gtfoh.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Y’all are acting like I said BGriff needs to be the second coming of TD on the low block. You can not sit there and tell me that facade he calls a spin move is an effective post move because it is not. He needs something whether it’s a hook shot or a fadeaway. Developing a post move or two isn’t the hardest thing to do in the world, an entire offseason is what most players need to add a couple of moves/shots in their arsenal.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He shot 49 percent from the floor.
    Kobe has never cracked 47 percent in his entire career.
    And there is not a player in the League who berates the refs more than Kobe. Maybe as much, but nobody does it more than Kobe.
    And he’s shooting jumpers.
    At this point, I’m just effing with Lakers fans for the hell of it because this discussion isn’t even remotely serious.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t think you even know what efficiency is…

  • Bola

    When, this season against a mavs that has lost it. Why didn’t they beat lakers recently? gtfoh. Wade my foot.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    I’m loving how the spurs are playing. Deep, talented, intelligent, look like champions look. Damn I’m excited. … Tim needs one for the thumb!

  • Bola

    Spurs look good. others i don’t know maybe grizzlies, clippers, Lakers, dallas, Mavs. Some inconsistency. but Spurs have been consistent so far and are looking like worthy champions.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol I’m done. How can you talk about what Wade did in the playoffs last year against the Mavericks when Kobe and the Lakers got f*cking swept? Oh and that is rhetorical, I know how.

  • Bola

    What did Wade do to be quite honest? he decided to do it all and what happened. you do realise he had only really 2 good games in that final series. and against Chicago your beloved wade was helped by Lebron who took off and i don’t know why he couldn’t do that in the finals against mavs.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    bola you really all over the place… and it’s not working lol

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    27PPG 7RPG 5APG on 54% shooting in the finals for Mr Wade.

  • Bola

    It’s amazing with that stats they still didn’t win a championship. I feel sorry for Wade. Hoping they don’t play the spurs since they most likely will come out of the EAST, even though I’m a Celtic fan.

  • 602Shorty

    It’s also amazing how the defending champs exited the playoffs in a second round sweep after all that hype in the beginning of that season. Just sayin’…

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Bola, this is really the time to cut your losses and get out of here.
    1. Yes, the Heat lost to the Mavs. But they still got 2 wins. 2 more than the Lakers.
    2. Team success can’t be applied to individual accomplishments. That means Pierce was better than LeBron in ’08.
    3. Efficiency is not what you think it means. Wade scores on fewer attempts and at a higher percentage.
    4. Defense is not close. Wade has been one of the best guard defenders since 2007.
    5. Bringing “God” into an argument about sports victories/losses is not a good look, bro.
    6. Saying empty stuff without backing it up is fun. Parker has better stats than Rose! He’s better!
    7. Grammar, spelling, and proper syntax goes a long way here. I can’t tell if it’s laziness or lack of intellect on your part.
    Thus, I offer you the opportunity to gracefully bow out. You’ll be respected by the entire Slamily here if you can just accept it. Or you can keep banging your head against your Kobe Fathead covered wall.

  • 602Shorty

    No need to insult the guy. He just has a view unsupported by facts. He damn sure isn’t the first or last person around here to be guilty of that.

  • Bola

    They deserved it. I knew last season Lakers would be out. Their last remainder games proved it. so I wasn’t surprised, when you win 2 championships back to back you tend to be complacent at times. When the Mavs faced Heat i knew they would beat the heat. That 2006 loss was still in Dirk’s eyes. and even he said this season he didn’t find any motivation to play like a champion through the season. But I guess that happens when you win everything you loose motivation right.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    By that logic, either Kobe lacks the motivation to continue to fight for chips or lacks the leadership abilities to inspire his teammates to fight.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    co-sign 602shorty 5:50 pm.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I got a goodie here. Who is/was better? Allen Iverson or Dwyane Wade. I don’t mean by career accomplishments, or at their peak or overall, but just by who was the overall better player to have for your team to have success. Thoughts?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    My apologies then, the guy just came across as very…crass. And yes, lots of people come here with empty opinions. If those people hang around, that trait disappears pretty quick. Again, I’m sorry if my reply was overly harsh, it was meant to illustrate that he’s arguing far too vehemently for things he really can’t prove logically.

  • Bola

    @ Lakeshow Wade. I don’t know, Iverson was beast back in the day doo.

  • Bola

    @ Caboose for the record, I can actually read and write. I just don’t feel the need to write well on the internet cuz personally you don’t know me. And for the record Efficiency or not Kobe is still the dude. Wade can’t even match that dude. This is coming from a Celtic fan. I like Wade but imma tell you Kobe is better. Like I said Champions will be champions. Now you have a chance to call SOS or surrender gracefully or i think slamonline will have it hard containing 2 of us on this thread.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Clear the room fellas.
    We got a SLAM FIGHT!!!

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    C’mon Bola, listen to what you just said.
    1. “Wade can’t even match that dude.” In what? Championships? Ok, Kobe can’t match Robert Horry.
    2. “Champions will be champions.” Yes, Wade does in fact have a Finals MVP.
    3. “This is coming from a Celtic fan.” I’m a Magic fan. I hate the Heat. Bias shouldn’t interfere with facts.
    4. “Efficiency or not Kobe is still the dude.” You still haven’t figured out what efficiency means, have you?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I’ve been itching to actually go on a full argument, so this will be fun, even if the end result is futile.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    I can’t see the Grizz losing another game in this series. Mayo found a way to keep the most important guy on the Clips in check during the most crucial parts of the game. I can actually see these guys making it to the CF this year, though I wouldn’t put money on it….As usual Caboose jumps in the middle of a convo throwing pointless insults around smh.

  • Bola

    Kobe has 2 not 1, Kobe has 5 rings. Yes efficiency you might think Wade has it. I agree but does that make him better. I say HELL NO.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Ok, let’s break down what you said this time.
    1. “Kobe has 2 not 1.” Agreed. Finals MVP’s determine who is the better player? Tony Parker is better than LeBron.
    2. “Kobe has 5 rings.” Again, I agree. Irrelevant point. Again, by that logic, Robert Horry is better than Kobe.
    3. “Yes efficiency” Still can’t demonstrate you know what it means.
    4. “you might think Wade has it.” No, I know Wade has it. That’s what “stats” do for people who look at them.
    5. “But does that make him better.” No, efficiency does not solely make one player better than the other. Lots of other things do. Rings have no bearing on how good a player is at THIS MOMENT in time. That’s like arguing that I know more about Chemistry than my professor does even though my SAT score was higher.

  • Bola

    Let me ask you this question. The game is down to the wire you need a bucket to tie or win. You got Wade, you got Kobe. who would you give the ball 2? Now you can see what i mean by Efficiency not a key factor on who’s better.

  • LA Huey

    I’d take Robert Horry over Kobe or Wade taking the final shot.
    Couldn’t resist. Back to you, Caboose.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I would take Kobe by a hair. I was unaware that clutch factor was the sole determinant of who is the better player. Because if I need a bucket between Melo and Kobe, I’ll take Melo. Does that mean Melo is better than Kobe?
    ——-
    The problem is you have an ever shifting definition of what makes the best player at this very moment in time. Thus far, you have presented three criterion:
    1. Total number of rings.
    2. Number of Finals MVP’s.
    3. Best clutch player.
    Based just on this criteria, Robert Horry is the greatest player of all time. Wanna come up with some more random definitions of what makes the best player? Or maybe, just maybe, use facts?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Haha beat me to it Huey. Let me have this one though, it’s like if Shaq sees Earl Boykins behind him and Joel Pryzbilla guarding Kobe on the perimeter. Yeah, Shaq can pass the ball out and Kobe will score just fine, but he just REALLY wants to embarrass somebody.

  • Bola

    I’m not talking about Robert Horry. This is between Kobe and Wade. You know i’m watching TNT right now and they just showed players with the highest amount of PPG in Knicks arena. and guess who’s first? Kobe Bean Bryant. Not saying that determines but like i said champions will be champions. At the end of the day both players will be in the hall of fame but like i said Kobe is a legend. he doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Let’s break apart this latest offering from your woefully ignorant and potentially malfunctioning mind (yes, it’s ad hominem time, if you won’t respect my arguments, I won’t respect you).
    1. “highest amount of PPG in Knicks arena.” Another random criterion for best player AT THIS MOMENT. Jordan scored the most in Boston in his youth. But did that make Wizards Jordan better than Lakers Kobe?
    2. “champions will be champions.” I agree on this point. Both Wade and Kobe are champions. Again, this alludes to a career achievement. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A CAREER. We are debating who is best right now. What do things that happened over a decade ago now matter?
    3. “Kobe is a legend.” I agree. So is Wade. Pointless thing to say.
    4. “He doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone.” And this is why EVERYONE here thinks you possess the cognitive ability of a prepubescent child. I don’t even need to dissect this one, a half-drunk chimpanzee with his own excrement at the end of a stick could write something better.

  • Bola

    Now read my comment. i said this doesn’t determine. Can’t you just read. I’m only stating how efficiency kobe is in that arena if he’s number 1. My God, when will people read. Did i write, ohh kobe is the best player ever because his ppg is the highest in Madison square Garden. Jeez i’m only stating his effectiveness when he plays Knicks. I specifically said that doesn’t determine. Jeez i’m outta here. I compare Kobe to wade, people can bring up Robert Harry. Like i’m talking about Robert in the first place. And when i say he doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone. I mean he doesn’t need to shoot 49%. My God, if only people can be insightful with their mind. now who’s mind is that of a child still in elementary school?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Smh

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Bola, you haven’t read anything that I’ve posted. I’ve refuted EVERYTHING you’ve said, going line by line, bit by bit. Can I read? Yup, I sure can. What you fail to understand is that people can bring up ANALOGIES in a debate: comparison points that help ground the argument. That’s been going on since the time of Socrates. You seem to be the only person who thinks that’s somehow an illogical move. No, he doesn’t need to shoot 49%. He doesn’t have to do anything. But to think that he is better than Wade right now? You really have given no evidence other than that Kobe has had a better career. Ok. I agree, Kobe’s career is better. If you were trying to prove that, congratulations, you’re an absolute genius. If you were trying to argue that Kobe is better than Wade RIGHT NOW, you came off as an illogical troglodyte. Anybody from the Slam family wanna chime in here? It’s like trying to convince him that no, dinosaurs and cavemen did not coexist.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Caboose stop arguing with this person. It clearly just doesn’t even understand what it is reading or writing about.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Sigh, yes yes, I’ll stop. I do wanna have a good debate though. I like the earlier topic LakeShow posed, Wade v Iverson. I honestly don’t have an answer to that. My gut says Iverson, but I don’t have much to back it up. Anyone wanna convince me.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Sigh, yes yes, I’ll stop. I do wanna have a good debate though. I like the earlier topic LakeShow posed, Wade v Iverson. I honestly don’t have an answer to that. My gut says Iverson, but I don’t have much to back it up. Anyone wanna convince me.

  • Bola

    I’m not arguing Kobe is better. I’m telling you that he’s not far off wade right now. I believe the only reason why he’s cuz he’s come of age. He’s lost his athleticism but for his age he still plays well. And i’m telling you what he’s done Wade hasn’t done that yet. well Wade has had some good accomplishment too, but you can’t take that from Kobe. Common! dude had a 40+ game for 4 straight games, he wuz the only guy who had the chance to stop Kevin from winning the scoring title. I’m telling you if he was still in his prime age he would dismantle Wade right now.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Are they the first option? And is this a full season or just a playoff run? My answer depends on those questions

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    LOL, seems like today was lots of fun.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Bola, you never said that, so nice try, but no. It gets off this thread or it gets the hose again.
    nbk, let’s say it’s them in their primes, they’re the first option on identical teams, starting from game one, going through the playoffs.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    And I hope I’ve dispelled the myth that all I do is cosign nbk. I wanna apologize to nbk if it’s made you look bad as a result.

  • Bola

    If you read my first comment you will see i was saying Kobe is not far off. I never said Kobe is better. I just wanted to prove my theory that being efficient doesn’t make you a better player. if you read my comment i mentioned Wade getting on Kobe level in his prime.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Don’t apologize to me Caboose I don’t give a sh*t how I look, all I want is respect, and I feel that I get that. Don’t stress. If its 1st option from first game of a season I’ll take Iverson. Better pure scorer/playmaker and more durable

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Anybody wanna jump on that? Dude’s rewriting history worse than when Kim Jong Il took over North Korea.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    And I agree with that nbk. If they have to be second option, gotta go with Wade.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Bola, if that’s the case then you should have stopped arguing after my 4:12 and 4:13 comments.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Bola, if you can admit you were legitimately wrong, you’ll get a lot of respect from me, nbk, and a lot of the commenters here. I can guarantee that.

  • Bola

    Wrong on what?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Sigh, never mind.

  • Bola

    No, you tell me and i tell you my honest opinion/mind

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    1. You were trying to argue Kobe is better than Wade.
    2. Wade is better than Kobe at this moment in time.
    Admitting one without the other makes you look like a hypocrite.

  • Bola

    I tell you are right with Wade better right now. My argument was efficiency doesn’t make a better player and Kobe in his prime is much better. But right now wade is better. i take that, i will agree on that,i will digest that.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If it were just playoffs or a team with even a quasi 1st option I’d take Wade. I’m sure though if Allen jumped into this he’d have a unique POV

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Sounds good Bola. Haha I know nbk, this should be an explosive topic.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    lmaooo ^^ and I’m not sure. Iverson was a durable monster, but wade is a finals mvp who went on a mj-esque run in the finals to obliterate the mavericks. D.wade is definitely more efficient. especially now. he’s also a better defender. and almost as athletic. Iverson is more durable and a better scorer. Iverson is probably a better player. but wade is most likely better for team success. Iverson I feel like never reached his full potential. He could’ve been a better defender. He could’ve learned to pass the ball better. He could’ve learned to shoot 3′s a little better. He could’ve gained skills that would’ve made his decline in athleticism less significant. but he never did. IMO. Wade on other hand maximized his potential.

  • Bola

    @ datkid you right about Iverson. I think his actions of the court didn’t help either. Hoping Griffin can work on his game. Those freethrows, post moves and maybe a jumper can make him a dominant PF.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Man Iverson brought a team to the finals As the only offensive option on his whole team. And it took a team of Shaq and Kobe to beat him.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Man we should have saved these debates for tomorrow when I’m not in college lol

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Just to add my two cents in, I would take Wade. Whether it’s the playoffs or the first game of a season, I’m going with Wade. Yes, Wade has durability issues but so did AI. Wade is more efficent, better defender and a slightly better passer.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Building off of that, here’s an interesting question, when did (if ever) Wade peak? If he did, is he now on the decline? Or is he still improving?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I think he peaked in the 08-09 season when he put up an absurd 30.2/7.5/5/2.2/1.3 line. He’s declined slightly but he’s still the best SG in the L.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    ^ cosign

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    For the record, I don’t respect nbk at all. He’s a total nincompoop.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    lmao at tarzan… cosign JTaylor21 on both those points…we gotta bring this debate up tomorrow I’m very curious to see what allen has to say about it.

  • Justin G.

    I’m going with Wade also. Yes, Iverson took a team of scrubs to the Finals but the East was pathetic back then. No matter who came out of the West, they were going to win the championship.

  • Mike From Spain

    I am taking Wade. Asides from in-game considerations, Wade seems to be better in the locker room and more coachable than Iverson. I have heard many tales from Iverson (practice?, etc), but not so many from Wade. Do you know how good a teammate and how coachable Wade is? I think Wade has an edge here, but maybe you can prove me wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t usually do this, but man Caboose sonned the hell out of old boy. Goodness.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And I honestly don’t know who I would take between Iverson and Wade. I will have to sit and think about that for a while.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Thanks Allen.

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