Thursday, May 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm  |  202 responses

Tim Duncan Reportedly ‘Hates’ Kevin Garnett

As two of the greatest power forwards not only of their generation, but of all time, the careers of Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan will always be linked. Just don’t expect the two legends to become buddies anytime soon (or ever), according to a terrific profile of Duncan in SI this week: “In fact, Duncan hates Kevin Garnett. Hates him the way liberals hate Sean Hannity. This information comes from very reliable sources, who talk about how KG has made a career of trying to punk Duncan, baiting him and slapping him and whispering really weird smack into his ear. They talk about how funny this is, because the worst thing you can do as an opponent is piss off Duncan. Then, as Malik Rose says, ‘he f—— destroys you.’ Duncan’s lifetime numbers versus Garnett’s teams, by the way: 19.4 points per game, 11.6 boards and a 44-17 record, including the postseason. Duncan is diplomatic about the topic. Asked if perhaps all those years battling Garnett have softened his feelings for the man, led to a Magic-Larry type of kinship, Duncan leans back on the couch in his hotel room and grins. There is a pause. A longer pause. Finally he says, ‘Define kinship.’”

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I would hate a man who slapped me multiple times for no reason as well.
    Also, those career numbers are lower than his averages against everyone else. His teams won the war, but that battle between the two best players was typically a draw.

  • Reeld

    To me this was always like a bill Russell wilt rivalry

  • KG

    We’ll see you in the finals.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    I’m not surprised to be honest. Garnett has been his main rival pretty much his whole career. Rivalries amongst one another tend to bring out a little animosity.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I would to if a cat slapped the back of my head and I didn’t retaliate.

  • sikwithit5

    TD > KG

  • Fat Lever

    Hahahah, Duncan is a true OG on the low.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also, people tend to forget that Magic Johnson couldn’t get up at all either. They always mention Bird, rarely mention Magic.
    It’s curious. Because Bird used to dunk a lot when he was younger.

  • T-Money

    lol its not curious at all allen

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And reporter punish some players for refusing to open up, and reward others.
    Duncan, Stockton and others have been curt and reserved. That’s fine. Other players do the same thing, and they aren’t fulfilling their obligations.
    Pay attention.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    We’re not going to go there. I just like to point these things out so people can ponder them without me making the connections for them.

  • Scalabrine for MVP

    I hate Garnett as well. He’s a dirty player who isn’t even that good. Duncan now is better than KG in his prime.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Abe Schwadron

    I don’t really know why, but I love this.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Scalabrine don’t comment again. Thanks.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    A game of 1-on-1 between these to legends in their primes would be EPIC!

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    * two legends

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Agreed Scalabrine go cut yourself.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    *two legends

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVM11tMaMWg LakeShow

    Oh Duncky.

  • http://averysmith.org Avery Smith

    Interesting, seeing how they’re both on Adidas. At the same time, nobody likes Blake Griffin and everyone wears the swoosh.

    Also, I’d say that Tim Duncan is better…WAY BETTER…than Garnett, who is a beast by the way. 4 Rings vs 1 Ring as integral parts to their team. Come on this isn’t even close.

    FYI, Garnett, if he continues the way he’s playing, and Boston wins the playoffs (which I doubt) could be Finals MVP. He’s killing. That would give him 2 Rings…but I don’t think that’s happening.

  • http://www.borntocompete.com Money$hot

    Duncan and KG are two great PF it would be great to them battle in the finals

  • Jer dawg

    It makes me want to buy that SI issue. Tim Duncan has grown on me. His game is very underappreciated during his career. He is flat out a GREAT player. He doesn’t have the personality KG has, But he plays hard, respects the game and seems like good guy and role model.

  • Cornelius

    Two great players, but two different players.
    TD played big in big moments in the playoffs.
    KG didn’t always carry his team in the playoffs.
    TD is a true big that plays inside out which benefited 4 championship teams.
    KG was always more of a perimeter player that, well, hit jump shots.
    TD was never afraid to defend centers and not just power forwards.
    KG for the first time is playing center this year after avoiding it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You would hate a guy to, if he came up to you and said, “hey Tim, happy mother’s day” right after he knows your mother passed away. To go along with all the various other insults and digs thrown at you from the guy over the years.

  • Your Friendly Neighborhood Dopeman

    Celtics vs. Spurs would be a great finals match up.

  • shutup

    While watching the Boston game Garnett got fouled for an and-1 not even a hard foul and you could read his lips he said “F2ckin p^ssy” while they were up 25. he talks alot of sh!t, Gary Payton style. Would love to see these two in the finals. An example of why I prefer Duncan to KG, during the Clips game Duncan makes a bucket and runs into Blake, Blake goes into flop mode, Duncan stops his over-dramatic fall and taps him on the head to make sure he’s ok. That being said I love KG for his passion but I revere Duncan for the sportsmanship he displays while abusing people.

  • vtrobot

    Why wouldn’t a nerd hate a bully? Again, may the b-ball gods give us a C’s/Spurs Finals. That could make up for all the other effed up parts of this season. Not even going to bother thinking about who’s better. I’d rather just appreciate the unique greatness of both. Ease up with all the Timmy’s way better talk. Think about how KG played in those years around when he won the ring. Imagine that person on all of those teams, with Pop, etc. How many rings? Don’t underestimate KG’s impact on teammates/organizations too. Rondo wouldn’t be who he is today w/o coming up under KG and PP took his game to another level at a point in his career when most don’t.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Yeah, I’m officially on board for a SA vs BOS finals now…that would be epic.

  • vtrobot

    @nbk: Really? Wow. That’s some next level assholishness.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Garnett did that NBK? I can’t believe that. That seems to be lower than even I thought KG would go. I need some proof on that.
    And the gap between Garnett and Duncan is not huge. It’s clear and it’s real, but it’s not huge. Honestly, Garnett should be regarded as the second best power forward of all time. No worse than third.

  • Marc

    I find this even more strange because i thought they were friends just because of that nike commercial way way way back. lol

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Duncan is superior to Garnett in the scheme of things because of his greater success, and his greater role in crunch time.
    Take away those things… how is Duncan that much better than Garnett?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I love KG. But I’d hate a man who told me “Happy Mother’s Day” knowing damn well my mother was dead.

  • Heals

    Love KG for all he’s for the game and my C’s, but nobody is as “cool” as TD in my book. I dig KG for doing it loudly, as I dig TD fro doig quietly…

  • Heals

    Like I said nobody can “fro doig” like TD…

  • LA Huey

    I’m a nerd. So I roll with Duncan.
    It’s a shame Minny didn’t give KG the supporting cast he deserved. We missed out on some epic playoff battles between these two.

  • Byebye

    Do you guys remember he playoffs when minny got n for the first time and kg was literally spitting in Timmy’s face they hadro b separated on many occasions in that series you tube it

  • http://slamonline.com Billy Sunday

    i don’t know if i would rather see TD vs KG or KB vs LBJ in the finals.

  • tavoris

    Garnett does 4 things better than Duncan. 1) free throws, 2)defending the pick & roll, 3)passing, and 4) shooting midrange jump shots.

    Duncan does everything else on both ends better.

  • Heals

    KG can guard more positions on D effectively, transitions from O-to-D (and back) better. So KG is a better shooter and passer, but TD does everything else on that end better? Okay (I know what you mean, but gotta admit it sounds funny on the surface)…

  • smoove

    man up duncan..thats why aside from the hardware… i still think KG does more on the court..things that don show up on stat sheet..duncan still that dude tho, i just put him #2 pf

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t find a single source I trust on that Mother’s Day thing. Somebody have a link or something?
    I would never be cool with KG after that unless he apologized profusely. It would be a challenge not to hate him with every fiber of my being.

  • Josh

    Your all entitled to your opinion, but here is the fact. You put KG in the same system Duncan had when he entered the league and KG would have just as many rings. Im a HUGE KG fan but I truly believe they are ying and yang. 1a and 1b. Garnett is more versatile, Duncan better in the paint. KG a better shooter, Duncan a better shot blocker. Excluding rings, you cannot pick a winner.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    KG is the same guy that makes fun of people’s diseases (Charlie V) despite being 34 years old at the time. He says its his intensity; I say he’s an idiot. I’d take TD in his prime (2002-2003) over KG any day, but that’s just me. Skill wise, its close, but career wise, its not even an argument.

  • ti-sizzle

    Allen, I heard it from ya mama. She said “When I was slurpin KG, he gon tell me he was sorry for the mother’s day crack. Now lemme spread my crack after I smoke some”.

  • ttc

    would KG (or anybody else for that matter) really say that to a man that has lost his mother?!? if is true, the most surprising aspect of it is that Duncan didnt go crazy after hearin it..i honestly would kill KG if I was in TD’s position..but i dont believe it’s true; it’s just too much…

  • ti-sizzle

    Allen, I’m the real ti-sizzle and the above comment wasn’t me. You know SLAM always needed to fix this problem

  • ttc

    hey ti-sizzle, f&ck off..that was lame..f%ck off

  • ti-sizzle

    Hey ttc, how’s rehab going? When you get clean you won’t have to worry about havin to blow Allen for crank money. Idk y your doin it for free right now.

  • bike

    Didn’t KG tell Villanueva one time that he looked like a cancer patient? So I could easily believe the mother comment from KG…
    That’s always been KG’s achilles heel…a classy act in everything except for some of the trash talking.

  • ti-sizzle

    People only assume he’s a classy act because they only hear a fraction of what he says. Helluva ball player, major douche…kinda like the dirty one in Lakeshow’s mouth.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Garnett is better.
    In many ways.
    The only variable that seperates the two careers is the coaching each received throughout their respective careers.
    I mean, Flip Saunders.
    Greg Popovich. Popovich is a top 20 coach of all time, in my opinion.

  • ti-sizzle


  • ti-sizzle

    Ok. I will. But only because you were very polite.

  • Jerome

    Nobody is “classy” regarding trash talk. KG said that CV is “cancerous” to the L.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVM11tMaMWg LakeShow

    I do have dirty douche bags in my mouth from occasion to occasion.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher


  • Kabraham15

    dudes like kg hide behind the league and the safety net of fines and suspensions. if someone came up to me, game or no game, and told me happy mothers day knowing that my mother had just died, thats not just a basketball problem, thats a real life problem. just goes to show alot of the dudes in the L are soft. not gilbert tho lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ok so it isn’t letting me comment.
    The Garnett quote is from 1999, the lockout season caused them to meet on Mother’s Day. Supposedly he said it to Duncan on the FT – Line. And the majority of quotes I have found show him saying, “happy mother’s day…mother f*cker” soooo it’s even worse than I thought.
    I did find this quote from Artest
    “I am actively looking for a reliable source Allen. But I have read that quote quite a few times over the years. I know it’s from 2002. But during my search I found this from Ron Artest, which I am sure he is referring to 1999.
    “I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn’t do anything, he didn’t react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett’s ***, and won the **** championship. You know what I’m sayin’? That’s gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real c*cky; but Tim Duncan is a … he’s a pimp.”

  • Mike Mihalow

    Everyone hates Garnett. For Tim Duncan to hate you, you have to be pretty $h!tty.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok so it was the word c*cky. those other starred out words are ass and damn.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol that first part to Allen is from a comment I tried to post a while ago. I am frustrated with Slam right now.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Is Sizzle Tarzan Cooper?
    Watch it be Tarzan…

  • ripslam

    Team records? For real? Duncan’s championship Spurs teams beat KG’s Wolves featuring Sam Cassell? That’s a shocker.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Every instance I’ve found of it has been on a forum and a random person referencing it. I can’t find the original source.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well 1999 was before sports stories were really published heavily on the internet.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrfLiFibJG4 nbk

    Click my name. KG slaps Tim Duncan in the back of the head. For no apparent reason.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Just been trying to find it on youtube, but it isn’t anywhere to be found.. ah well? I guess we’ll never know if it was true.

  • Heals

    Do you Ap! FoxNews, CNN, ESPN take note this is called doing research…

  • kevin

    garnett is just jealous of duncan cause duncan is way better than garnett

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    KG’s one of my favorite player, but man, if he really said that heartless sh!t regarding to mom, that’s really fcuked up.

    and that Artest quote on Duncan is tremendous. thanks NBK.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcGk-TjlHwc&feature=endscreen&NR=1 LakeShow

    Click my name for a video of John Stockton being a little punk. So fun to watch when they let fouls go if they weren’t near the ball. Too much fun, but i’m glad they don’t allow this style play anymore.

  • shutup

    @the Philosopher, i have to disagree, the reason pop and Duncan work as well as they have is personalities. KG to me just doesnt fit in a Pop system, as great of a player as he is and as great of a coach that pop is, not saying they wouldnt have success, just saying with a statement that its just a matter of coaching is a disservice to the greatness that is Tim Duncan. As for one aspect of the game Tim Duncan is head and shoulders above KG in basketball IQ and he’s a true pf in the sense that his game is based inside out. TD is a better leader also.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Interesting points.
    But we have to remember, Popovich has had success with many different personalities. Stephen Jackson.
    As for Saunders, I mean, when a guy like Andray Blatche discredits you on live t.v., you know…
    And, Blatche is not the first, or only player to have professional/personal issues with Saunders’ style.
    Truthfully, Garnett never had a coach until he teamed with Glenn.
    I agree with you, Tim Duncan is indeed the better leader.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Between Duncan and Garnett, Garnett has so many other variables working in his favor.
    Ball gandling. Passing. The ability to guard more positions more effectively. More of a versitile scorer. More range and consistency on the jump shot.
    Also, as we know, there were times that Garnett was running the point. During Playoff competition.

  • shutup

    but his versatility could be his biggest problem, like many tweeners the jack of all trades but the king of none. Duncan did what he did within himself, plus 4 years of college as opposed to jumping in right out of HS. Duncan has better footwork and I have to disagree I think Duncan is the better passer of the two, also TD defends bigs better than Garnett, shown when he was forced to guard Shaq against the Lakers, I also think TD is the better shot blocker out the two (i didn’t check the stats on that) but I know TD is the better help defender.

  • shutup

    KG blocks 1908 TD 2469 and KG has been in the league 2 more years than Duncan

  • http://Www.achtamsterdam.nl Phil

    I know stockton was a dirty player, but that was not the video to proof it lakeshow. He almost has his face taken off, that would liss me of too hahaha

  • shutup

    Assist numbers are in favor of KG though TD 3428 and KG 5065 although their career aspg are slightly closer TD 3.1 and KG 4.0. As for blocks per game TD is 2.2 to KG’s 1.5. sorry if I got a little stat crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Garnett almost went to college. He couldn’t garner the score(s).
    Also, it is arguable that Tim Duncan has played the majority of his career with two potential Hall of Fame players. He has definitely played with one surefire HOF player.
    Made things a little easier on him, perhaps.
    So, a Hall of Fame coach, and three HOF players during his prime.
    Garnett has never had those luxuries. Until recently, of course.
    Duncan may guard “bigs” more prolifically.
    Garnett is more prolific guarding smaller players. As well as being more than adequate guarding bigger players. Especially in these latter stages of Garnett’s career.
    At the end of the day, I think it all boils down to one’s preference.
    But, I strongly believe that the coaching aspect is the major game changer between the two.
    Obviously, I can be wrong…

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    And don’t worry about going “stat crazy.”
    I love stats more than I’ve ever expressed up here.

  • shutup

    KG and Marbury imo were a more potent duo than Duncan Parker. But TD’s humbleness ensures that winning was first and foremost. Duncan has had some of the greatest scouts and personnel evaluators the league has ever seen though. That is why I questioned if KG would have fit, there are similarities in Duncan, Robinson, Avery Johnson, Danny Ferry, Finely, Parker the list goes on the two real deviations I can think of is Stephen Jackson and Rodman. I can see your point as a matter of opinion, and coaching is really big but the player ultimately has to implement it on the court. BTW thank you for the civil debate, we all know haow many conversations can go sour faster than a gallon of milk left in the car on a Vegas summer day.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVM11tMaMWg LakeShow

    I shoulda known Philo was a stat guy. King this, King that… ;)
    Phil, I know that’s not the video that proves it, it was just a funny one that Youtube led me to. I just always love watching those old videos. Nothing against Stock. He just was known to rub some elbows from time to time.

  • ClydeSays

    TD is the greatest PF of all time, but he had a better coach, teammates and most importantly a good GM. KG had a decent coach in Flip, but he was limited. McHale bungled trades, picks and free agents for most of KG’s career. TD was probably a better teammate, but he’s mostly robot. KG is very definitely human.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’m with shutup in that Duncan was just a better player and would’ve been, regardless. With the way Garnett is built athletically, and with his strengths on the court he would have had to become extremely efficient. Or he would have had to develop a Bill Russel type defensive ability where he completely changed games to have a better career than Duncan. I don’t think any coaching staff could have helped him develop that.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I wholly agree with you on many points.
    The thing that is a sticking point to me is, Popovich has this rare ability to convince people to buy into his “thing”. Many of those players mentioned who were coached by Popovich had a wide range of personality traits.
    Ferry had a reputation. Parker has been known to love the cameras, etc. Stephen Jackson, again. Even Richard Jefferson.
    Popovich is a master at putting all of those things together, and getting guys to “get over themselves”, as he loves to say.
    I am also appreciative of the civil conversation.
    Yeah, you know how it is… lol

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher


  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Appreciate it Philo. And that’s not me saying if Garnett played on the Spurs his career wouldn’t have been drastically more successfull. I just don’t see him winning 4 championships with those Spurs in that Era. Probably closer to two. So career wise it wouldn’t be as clear at all.

  • tavoris

    KG is far & away a more versatile player.

    However, Duncan has been far & away a more dominant player. Duncan has commanded double teams in the post ever since he stepped on the NBA court. He’s never led the league in blocks, but the Spurs spent the 13 straight seasons as a dominant defensive team.

    He has 4 titles over 15 years while playing with ONE guaranteed HOF player. Heck, their 1st title was won with Elliott and Robinson being the only teammates that were legit NBA starters. Avery Johnson? Vinnie Del Negro?

    Pop is a phenomenal coach, but even the best coaches can’t win without quality players. Duncan’s career is a strong a case as any that you don’t need 3 superstars to win.

  • MikeC.

    Before KG gets roasted for not winning rings in his prime, Google “Joe Smith debacle.” I bet it’s hard to build a championship roster while losing 4 consecutive 1st round picks.

  • shutup

    Last point I think it took KG a good portion of his career to develop the type of humbleness that would have let him excel in Pop’s system, something that Duncan’s personality type, the quiet superstar that he is was a key attribute of their success, part of the reason Pop was a successful in getting guys to buy in is that his two superstars Robinson than Duncan were respectful and let themselves be held accountable, as opposed to say a Carmelo type cancer in the locker room or even early KG and Marbury, Kobe and Shaq type of problems.

  • JMagicFan

    That must be the real Scalabrine on Slam. LMAO.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    KG was never a problem in the locker room. And his work ethic is and has always been on another level. It’s his attitude during games that has been the problem.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher


  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Is Stephen Jackson more humble than Kevin Garnett?
    Guns ablaze, and all?
    Brawl at the Palace, and all?

  • Brad09

    During my life in watching basketball I dont think ive ran into a man I had less respect for than kevin garnett. Seen the interviews, heard the story. The man is downright rude, has few concerns for anything outside of himself. Continually the cheapest player in all of basketball. Two seperate occasions, he has hit people in the balls. Thinks the word intensity means putting on idiot facing and yelling. Never could out play any of those PF in the west DUNCAN, MALONE, WEBBER or DIRK he continually was owned with the T wolves. Strictly statistical player, if i ever have a son I only hope and pray he dosent turn out to be anything like kevin garnett.

  • Brad09

    btw mike c no one cares, minnesota is retarded they will continue to be. Garnett chose to play there. Great players figure it out and garnett is simply not a great player. I dont even think he was a top 3 player on the boston team he won with

  • Trilla

    I personally love those loud trash talking athletes such as Floyd Mayweather, Rasheed Wallace etc. I love KG too but he can just take it too far at times. I love players such as Tim Duncan too #FearTheQuietGuys.

  • MikeC.

    @Brad – the one season KG had talent on his Wolves team, he won MVP and went to the conference finals. The next time he had talent around him, he won a championship. I’m not saying the Wolves weren’t “retarded”, I’m saying that just dragging those teams into the playoffs proves KG’s worth.
    When Wally Sexyback is the second best player, you’re in trouble.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    In conclusion, The things Kevin Garnett can do with the ball, for his size, has never been seen before in the History of the NBA.
    A 7 footer with point guard tendencies, who can man the post in every way. And is more than adequate in doing so.
    Not to take anything away from Duncan. I would concede he is the best power foward of all time. Depending on my mood at the time of deciding.
    But, we’ve seen Duncan before. In Kevin McHale. In Brad Daugherty, and even in Lew Alcindor.
    We’ve only seen one like him. He is the player that Ralph Sampson was supposed to become.
    A very rare talent who, before him, there has never been anything like that. A true innovator to the Game.
    Once in a generation talent.

  • shutup

    Stephen Jackson wasn’t the focal point on the team though. The brawl at the palace that falls on Ron Artest’s shoulders. I never heard of KG being a bad locker room guy, except the case he made Big Baby cry but that’s not saying much. I meant the clash of egos that ultimately led to Marbury leaving town.

  • MikeC.

    KG is one of the only players who I can say was right to skip college. Sure, he wasn’t likely to get admitted without going Juco first, but just for basketball reasons, college might have messed up his game. A college coach likely would have turned him into a back to the basket center. He wouldn’t have been the multi-faceted threat he is.

  • MikeC.

    @shutup – from what I’ve read, Marbury was the main reason that duo was split up. Partly jealousy over KG’s contract and status with the team, but mostly Marbury was just homesick and wanted to go back East so he could be closer to his family. There’s likely more to it, but I’ve never read or heard of any clashes between KG and Marbury. When asked, they always talk about how regretful they are that they didn’t stick together, and it doesn’t come off as publicity spin like when Shaq talks nice about Kobe.

  • shutup

    We have never seen the complete pf game that Duncan has, sorry to disagree. Better defender than McHale, head and shoulders better than Daugherty was and Lew Alcindor was a center, but if you wanna compare centers to these guys Olajuwan was Garnett long before he was, or if you wanna stretch it Pippen does Garnett just better. Malone played more like Garnett than he did Duncan, try to remember young Malone was very athletic and quick and imo a better passer than both Duncan and KG and was a smarter player than KG ever was, although Malone was never the defender KG or TD are.

  • shutup

    @mikeC Moses Malone and Shawn Kemp

  • Heals

    Yeah Brad is right cause in 08′ Ticket was DPOY and coulda (I think shoulda) won MVP, but yeah as far as his team goes maybe 4th option at best that year. Especially on D, I mean pick n’ rolls just ate him up. Played without any enthusiasm…

  • MikeC.

    ^ Duncan has been a 5 since The Admiral was decommissioned. Unless you want to say Robert Horry, Dejuan Blair and Matt “haircut suspension” Bonner are the real centers that Duncan played with. I’m not trying to poopoo on Duncan, or even say KG is better. Duncan is and has been a 5.

  • Heals

    And for all the criticism about KG in the “clutch,” Malone was a TOTAL mess when it mattered most. At least KG can win games on D despite his hot potato tendencies as Da Kid…

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    My bad. I thought you were primarily speaking of humility between players. Such as the multiple players that were discussed earlier. In comparison and as opposed to Kevin Garnett.
    So, one’s status as a focal point to a team can dictate the humility of a player?
    If a player does not possess status, he is allowed to run into the stands of a stadium and assault fans without humility being observed?

  • MikeC.

    @shutup – never saw Moses play. Kemp might have been better off going to college. He might have got some free rubbers from the campus health clinic and avoided a whole mess of trouble.

  • http://cnbc.com New_Guy

    If you read the SI article it talked about how his mom died when TD was 14. Still a dick move but it’s not what NBK made it out to be

  • robb

    F*ck Garnett

  • Scalabrine for MVP

    Allenp is a hater. I’ll comment all I want and your mom will hear about this when I see her tonight.

  • shutup

    The humility had nothing to do with the confrontation once the situation got out of hand Jackson is hood thru and thru, he went in the stands to help Artest. The humility I spoke of had to do with giving complete control and even letting the coach make an example out of you, thus bucking the trend of diva like superstars, it was also on exhibit when ever Pop would hold him accountable in front of the team and I have heard this on many occasions that once the team superstar gives in to the coach as a role player you have to follow suit. But Duncans ability to defer which was on full exhibit during the last championship is the glue that has kept people from jumping ship and letting new players find their role. As for Duncan being a 5 its laughable, there is almost always another big on the floor with him who runs the center lane on the fast break, i’m not gonna dive into that too much just review Spurs history and you’ll see.

  • MikeC.

    I reviewed some Spurs history. I forgot about notable pivotmen Menke Bateer and Jackie Butler. Duncan was and is a 5. Just because he calls himself a 4 doesn’t mean he doesn’t play the 5. With the trend away from true centers, there hasn’t really been a difference between the 4 and 5 positions since Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, etc retired and Shaq began to fade. 4 or 5, hasn’t really mattered for a few years unless your team is playing Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum.

  • shutup

    You just answered your own question the line between 4-5 is blurred so why in your mind is Duncan not a 4 that handles some 5 responsibilities. So Splitter isnt a center? Mohammed wasn’t a center? Nesterovic? Elson? Melvin Ely? not saying these guys are great but they were truer centers.

  • deadbored

    Great discussion guys. really good points on both sides. Ill have to say Duncan is the greater player, but i dont think anyone was denying that. As for KG, I think that his skill set and tenacity eclipse Duncan. The thing is we shouldnt praise a player just for being talented, when this sport is about winning championships as a team. Thats why Duncan wins. Someone said that KG could have won chips if he had the right support cast and maybe it might have truth to it but i dont think we can use hypothetical situations, it just starts to get messy. I would just like to add, that KG is my pick as fav player because thats my thing and people seem to forget the DPOY, the ring, the MVP and the 4 time consecutive league leader in rebounds. Still got loads of respect for the quiet acheivers though! ps i know that TD has better achievements than that but i like that KG was able to do those things with the way he goes about his business.

  • deadbored

    @mike C…i dont really see what point you are trying to make here? TD is a power forward. no doubt about it.

  • Drig

    Duncan’s a legit 5 and plays like a traditional big man should……with freaky consistency. He was also a force in his prime.

  • Drig

    Damn, what is it with Slam not displaying my entire post??? To summarise, Duncan was a best at all times in his prime ( This Laker fan can attest to that ) However, KG was more versatile and better guy to guard on switches as he could guard from 1-5. Duncan’s a better shot blocker and a worse perimeter shooter.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I didn’t know robots could feel emotion…?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    The thing I find really interesting… is for all their all-star appearances together on the Western Conf. team they seemed to have quite a good chemistry.
    I could easily believe that though that KG would dog a man he was playing against… and turn around and be his mate on the same team… it’s that ‘MWP philosophy’.
    : /

  • Quinito Henson

    Which is why a Boston-San Antonio NBA Finals series would be particularly interesting

  • http://www.slamonline.com Rasho Nesterovic

    Timmy was way better….didnt always look at me like he was a black panther and i was his prey. More like a soft giraffe.

  • RedRum

    There is no discussion. KG has a unique skill set for his height. Granted. But this needs to to translate into success. Which it did not. I have said here that I rank Duncan as the 3rd (after MJ and Magic) maybe 2nd (after MJ) player ever. shocking, I know… But Duncan is the best two-way player the game has ever seen (only after MJ), though Hakeem could be in the discussion. Couple his skillset with a clutch/winning mentality and humbleness that perfused the SA teams for 15 years now, there is no discussion how much better Duncan is than KG. Here is a stat that goes by unnoticed: Since 1997, the Spurs have a winning percentage of 69%, the highest winning percentage for such a long period in the history of any sport in the US! No team ever has won so much for such a long time, and TD has a lot to do with it.

  • Wall Ball

    @shutup:Duncan played the 5 in college. If D-Rob wouldn’t have been on the Spurs he would have played his natural position, 5. K G loved playing with Steph. K G was hurt when Stephon left. They didn’t speak for years. They played one year together. You can’t compare Tony Parker/Duncan now to KG/Steph then….Steph is from New York and WE ALL know how New York cats operate. Steph said out of his mouth that he wanted to play closer to home. He was in Minnesota for crying out loud. Steph had the ego not Garnett. He wanted to be the MAN and not play second fiddle. Early K G was always praised for his humility and his ability to want to learn from the elders and be great. He’s extra now but then he wasn’t. Put him in the same system and he wins the same amount or more. This playoffs he has been the best player hands down for his team, at 36.

  • Thegfunk

    Can alot of sources really be trusted about the character and personality of players? If I had met the men then maybe one could be a better judge. Anyway, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Chris Webber were all unique players; for one, they can all handle the ball really well and are killer post players. Ain’t enough one-on-one post match-ups that go on today that caught my eye like they did earlier in the 2000′s and 90′s.

  • MikeC.

    Agree to disagree shutup. My take is that Duncan would have been a 5 full time if Admiral hadn’t been there. By the time DRob left, Duncan was more comfortable playing the 4 so the Spurs got some other 7-footers to play beside him instead of officially shifting him to the 5. He was always officially a 4, but the Spurs championship crunch time lineups tended to feature Robert Horry at the 4 and Duncan slid to the 5. I will concede that Duncan’s skillset and size allowed him to play both spots equally well. Also, Melvin Ely is a 3rd string 4, not a 5.

  • Kadavour

    @MikeC.: thank you for championing an argument i’ve been making for YEARS.
    Duncan was listed as a 4 to avoid competing for the 5 position with SHAQ at All Star Games.
    Yall already know Duncan came in when the Admiral still had some good years on him, and they were billed as the Twin Towers, so cut the nonsense. Yes, he had a set shot and his off the glass trickery, but how is that different from EWING or DREAM?

  • http://www.twitter.com_dfrance dfrance21

    Slam needs to stop posting new articles at 5pm because I’m only on here during work and I missed this whole conversation. Anyway I’m a diehard KG fan, but I readily admit that Duncan was the more dominant player. If KG was a little more selfish offensively, it would be a different story. I do believe however, that KG would have had just as much success if he played on those Spurs teams. I think he’s shown, by playing out of position a lot in his career, that he’s willing to do whatever the coach needs him to and Pop could have gotten him down on the block more or whatever was needed. I truly believe that while KG is a jerk on the court, he really doesn’t mean what he says, he just does it to rile people up and get an edge. I refuse to believe that Mothers Day sh1t tho. And Duncan is a trash talker himself, don’t let the quiet persona fool you. He may not be as nasty as KG is with it, but he talks.

  • Kadavour

    agreed DFrance, this conjecture about KG not producing in Pop’s system is plain silly. He’s the consummate competitor, the man you want to play with, and the man don’t want to play against.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Am I the only one who wants more details on KG’s tendencies of “whispering really weird smack into his ear”? Someone please define really weird.

  • IamYOU

    What?!? they hateseach other? I have a closet full of Adidas poster of KG and Timmy smiling together whathehell?!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Stockton has been accused of setting the dirtiest screens of any player in the history of the League.
    It’s funny that he had the choirboy rep.

  • shutup

    I can agree to disagree, but the argument that Duncan played the 5 in college is weak, many now pg played the 2 guard in college does that make them 2 guards? The move to pf has nothing to do with competing with Shaq, if The Spurs call him a 4 then he’s a 4 it really doesn’t matter what anyone else says he starts at the 4 and has his entire career. Obv he didn’t play the 5 when he came into the league so he learned the 4, flourished and stayed there. Could he play the 5? Yes, but why should have to switch away from where he found success from his rookie year. and Duncan is only like 6-10, the same height as T-Mac and an inch or two shorter than Garnett, go look at the adidas ad from slam a while back. Lastly my problem isn’t that KG wouldn’t have had success with Pop but to say he’s interchangeable with Duncan is a disservice to Duncan. Duncan and KG aren’t the same player, KG prefers to shoot jumpshots and avoids the post and isnt as good against double teams, TD plays help defense (Which the Spurs are built on) anchors the team on the offensive end giving the Spurs an inside out threat (obv talking about older Spurs teams, but it still fits the way Duncan is killing in the post)they are both great but are not the same player, teammate or team leaders so know success wouldn’t just translate over just like switching Kobe for Ray Allen or T-Mac on those Lakers teams with Shaq wouldn’t have been the same thing either.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Duncan is the better scorer and more dominant. KG is the more versatile and athletic.
    Both of them are great leaders. Both of them respect coaching. KG played with the softest coach in the League who has been disrespected in every stop he’s made since Minnesota, and they never clashed. Flip Saunders was disrespected openly in Detroit and Washington by vets and young players. But not by KG.
    Duncan’s scoring ability and clutch play are the reason why he is better in my opinion. I dont know if KG would have had the same success, but he would have won enough championships that all this talk about him not being a winner wouldn’t exist.
    Also, how many rings would Duncan have won with that Minnesota cast and Flip Saunders coaching him?

  • MikeC.

    @AllenP – Duncan wouldn’t have won anything in Minny either. I bet he would have signed on the dotted line when he took that recruiting trip to Orlando though. Duncan is a loyal and classy guy, but that goes both ways with the Spurs being a loyal and classy organization.

  • http://www.twitter.com_dfrance dfrance21

    The answer is 0 Allenp
    and CO-SIGN Philo @ 8:42 last night.

  • shutup

    I’m sorry I don’t see Garnett winning any chips in San Antonio and some might consider that blasphemy but the differences are what make made Duncan as successful as he has been. Duncan wouldn’t have one sh!t in Minnesota, few fail to realize that Duncan played the draft like it was chess not checkers, he could have made the leap a year earlier and might have been #1 overall, Iverson went #1 so it’s arguable, and ended up in a situation that he didn’t want to be in, not saying he hasn’t been lucky, but him and Garnett are only interchangeable in the conversation of who is your fave pf of all time, not in their contribution to achieve ultimate success. In a recipe you can swap out tomatoes for strawberries just because they are both fruit. These hypothetical arguments frustrate me, so that being said I will leave it at this I respectful disagree with your analysis and look forward to the next debate. :)

  • shutup


  • MikeC.

    Co-sign shutup – this has been a good thread with solid points made all around. Good debates masterdebators.

  • t-sizzle

    Don’t you mean masturb*tors?

  • aj

    Journalism 101. Get your facts straight. Where did this 44-17 record come from? That’s wrong. You fail as a journalist.

  • Doris

    Overall TD21 is way much better on and off court. KG’s ONLY advantage is his athletiscm, that’s it. TD has improved his jump shots and sorta FTs. TD is an islander where they tend to relax more, so he moves slow and take time slowly but surely. An aweseme TEAM leader~

  • Dennis

    Timmy u don’t want no part of KC, your too soft I don’t care how may rings u got. U may hate KC, but Bro don’t voice
    That too loud you just might see KC in the finals.

  • Dennis

    Timmy u don’t want no part of KC, your too soft I don’t care how may rings u got. U may hate KC, but Bro don’t voice
    That too loud you just might see KC in the finals.

  • Greg

    quick, somebody give kg the heimlich maneuver, he’s choking again!!! LOL!!!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Kentucky “Big Ticket” Chicken vs Timmy D. I like it…

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Dennis, who is KC? KC Jones?

  • MikeC.

    KC Jones can’t guard Duncan. That’s a fact that I’m certain can be proven by genuine scienticians.

  • hushabomb

    Remember that they play on different teams. Its natural that they are competitive with each other.

    So imagine if KG and Duncan played together. I’d reckon they wouldn’t talk trash to one another

  • Cutter

    Garnett is a punk and Duncan is a stand up guy. Duncan’s abilities clearly dampen Garnett’s. If it wasn’t for the trade to Boston Garnett would be a just another championship less allstar who’s attitude sum up his career.

  • manu

    i love this hate for KG

    too bad the guy averaged over 20,10,5 for six straight seasons and 20,10,4 for nine straight

  • K.a.

    More like a soft giraffe is the wackest thing ive read on here.

    There are 2 ppl who used to give timmy problems. Rasheed as a blazer n kg as a wolves. Rasheed is all world man to man technique wise, weve seen him destroy somebody like a very green dwight in the playoffs. But im inclined to believe now (besides quickness n length) it mustve been annoying for timmy going up against kg n his out of play antics, now that hes rep is more open in boston. Ive always thought dude as a punk since his potty mouth in the olympics n always thought his street cred as fake (those and 1 commercials) so im bias when i say ive always preferred duncans game n approach. Duncans always been known to be a cold customer so i can believe if kg resorts to ish like that just to see if he can get under timmys skin.

    On whos better we could go thru the woulda shoulda coulda’s but ill go with timmy. I prefer my 7 footers to play closer to the basket one way or the other thank you very much.

  • @Scalabrine for MVP

    Your name and your comment are clear evidence of your stupidity.

  • rdenejc

    duncan isn’t crazy enough to understand kg. no one is.

  • Kennedy

    I think ppl have touched on it but Duncans dominance around the basket both offensively and defensively can’t be underscored. That allows shooters on offense spacing, it invites double teams that get those shooters open looks, it gets other bigs in foul trouble when you go to work in the post. And on D plz, Duncan has straight up dominated every rd of every playoff series he was in from 99-07 aside from the lakers 3 pt yrs. As a spurs fan I’ve always viewed Shaq as TD biggest measuring stick. Those two actually had battles in the playoffs. And as far as supporting cast’s, TD is the biggest reason the spurs have been able to do what they do. Selflessness and Team above all. And if not for a D. Fisher .04 sec shot and a Dirk and one in 06′ when Manu should have given him the points and not fouled he may have 6 rings instead of 4. Might get #5 this year.

  • Quan

    When you have nothing nice to say about someone else, defer! That’s what TD did. KG’s intensity in battle is great to watch as a student of competitive athletics.

    As far as the Finals are concerned, the contrasting styles make a Spur-Heat series the best to watch. They also own the best defenses of the four teams left. Heat freestyle against Spur system, and Spur precision against Heat defensive intensity. They are both run and gun and take their share of three point shots!

  • Scot Peirson

    First of all, Chris Ballard’s article about TD is brilliant. The part of the article that no one seems to mention is that Popovich said that Timmy is a CENTER–and has been one for 16 years. Which, first of all, should throw any and all of ANYTHING Shaquille has said about being the MDE, Last Center Standing, etc…HOLLOW. Then again, TD’s 39/16 against Shaq in Game 6 of the 2003 Western Semis or his 40/14 against Shaq in Game 1 of the 2008 Phoenix/SA matchup should have sent that message.
    As for Kevin Garnett…he’s essentially become the NBA’s Ray Lewis, a guy who wins one title and then becomes eternally obnoxious because he’s a “champion”. When he was hurt in 2009, but sitting on the bench F-bombing anyone running past him on the floor, be they players or referees, I lost all respect for him. That isn’t leadership–that was just bullying (Or a poor attempt at it). His mouth has gotten worse as his skills have deteriorated, he’s getting dirtier on the floor (That bone that he threw into the back of Andre Iguoadala’s head during Game 7 of the Sixers/Celtics being the latest of many examples…), and in reality, IT JUST DON’T WORK (See LBJ laughing at KG near the end of Game 1…). KG has become the African-American version of Bill Laimbeer, and someone who has become in serious need of getting clocked one time on floor.

  • DukeFromDeep

    Duncan may have more rings and a few better post moves, but Garnett makes D such a priority it changes the team. I would take prime KG over Duncan anyday!

  • tpathi1

    I just read the sport illustrated article..so unless POP is being sarcastic should we be considering Tim Duncan a Center or PF? I battled my friends for years on this subject, I always felt that Duncan was a Center and should be compared with the other great Centers throughout the history of basketball. To say he is a PF is fine, but gives him a great advantage as he is also the biggest PF of all time.

  • AndreJ

    Guess what? you can’t omit the rings as someone suggested, you can’t switch the teams same person suggested. Even if you could, doesn’t gaurantee the same results. Example A:TD didn’t call his coach weak. So we have an issue already,Remember Rodman was in SA and he was the best rebounding FWD who could defend 3,4 & 5 positions but his antics got him traded. I have know problem with either. We measure winners on rings. David left TD w/2 had 0 b4 TD. They rebuilt around TD and he led them. Another example for good measure. TD knee injury, same players Manu,Parker & Bruce league dogged them.

  • William

    Hoopla hoopla everybdy knws kg the worst soccer player n Duncan not that good of a balerina if I had to choose one ill pick big foot

  • Peter

    All the TD fans saying Duncan is better then KG…my god.

    Duncan it so damn overrated it’s rediculous. Yes, Tim Duncan is one of the top PF’s to play the game – he and KG are probably both top 5, top 10 at the worst.

    BUT so many people list Duncan as he greatest PF of all time, and he definately is not.

    On the NBA All-Time list Karl Malone is ranked:
    * 2nd in scoring
    * 1st in free throws made and attempted
    * 6th in total rebounds
    * 10th in steals

    Duncan is ranked:
    * 26th in scoring
    * 27th in free throws made and attempted
    * 18th in total rebounds
    * 9th in blocks

    You cannot judge a players ability based on titles won, because championships are a TEAM achievement. You can only judge individual performance based on individual achievements – that’s why most people still consider Wilt a more dominant player then Russel.

    TD was given a massive advantage due to circumstance – he came in to the NBA as a guy who would have so obviously been a Center on any other team, which would have led to him having to match up against guys like Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Mutombo. The Spurs already had Robinson, which allowed him to slip down to the PF spot where he has a MASSIVE size advantage over every single player he matched up against.

    Karl Malone was a relatively undersized PF at only 6’9″ yet still was more dominant at that position individually then Duncan has ever been – his positions on the all-time leaderboard prove this. It makes me sick to death when young people of today’s generation label Duncan as the greatest PF of all time without showing any respect at all to past legends like Karl Malone, Charles Barkley and Moses Malone.

    The fact that Duncan has 4 titles and Malone has none does not make him a better player. Steve Nash has no titles, Derek Fisher has several – is Fisher a better player then Steve Nash? No chance.

    Now onto Duncan vs KG…

    These two guys are even interms of the impact they had on the game, more or less. They are both equally great PFs, but they are also very different PFs in terms of the way they dominated the game. Duncan really plays more like a traditional big man – he dominates with his rebounding, his shot blocking and his scoring in the paint. KG is not as dominant in the paint or as a shotblocker, but he has essentially redefined the PF position with his versatlity and ability to do everything on the floor. He is without a doubt one of the greatest passing PFs of all time (possibly THE greatest) and his athleticism allowed him to defend every position on the floor – add that to one of the best midrange shots and one of the best free throw showing PFs of all time, along with his dominant rebounding and he is every big as good a Duncan.

    Both players are so good in their own ways that you really can’t put one above the other – they will forever go down in history as equally great players, much like Ewing vs Robinson.

  • dswish

    Who doesn’t hate KG

  • anonymous

    duncan doesnt hate nobody… hes like a saint

  • Dunk.fan

    You can put up all the numbers you want…. Duncan is the best ever, and its not numbers. He makes everyone around him better, he’s consistent and clutch, he coaches on court, AND most important, his peers think he’s the best. He used to kick Karl Malones ass.

    Four rings, his team contends every year, and even as his dominance wanes, he remains able to compete against athletic MONSTERS like Blake. Karl Malone is the most overrated ever, Barkley and McHale were much better players.

  • TexasPsycho28

    Long time… but KG would be a different player. Less talk, less barking, the same amount of iffy or illegal screens but yeah. He may have been known as a nicer guy since Pop doesn’t let guys pull that crap unless they’re one of the untalented guys who has to play that way. Bowen, the 50 year old Horry, Danny Ferry, and others were the guys who actually started stuff throughout the years with the Spurs. Duncan and Ginobli(aside from flopping)have looked like the nicest guys you’d ever meet compared to them.

  • LakerFanJohn

    You are a fool. Duncan has QUIETLY been one of the better NBA power forwards to EVER play the game. KG is a HOFer but he is NO Duncan. I’m a Laker fan and I despise both the Spurs and the Celts. But Duncan’s record against KG is no mistake. That and he’s carried himself with class for so long. KG has become a pathetic thug.

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    I approve this message!

  • OneStep

    That’s an enormous club that TD is a member of. A 44-17 record against him too? Wow. That’s what separates the great from the good.

  • Dirk Diggler

    KC? He has a band of sunshine

  • Ex-writer

    I once had a couple beers with an NBA Forward who will remain unnamed, and the Celtics were on TV. “I hate that guy,” he said, motioning to Garnett. I asked for clarification. “Everyone in the league hates Kevin Garnett,” he said. True story.

  • alfonso

    KG is 7″1 Duncan is barley 6″11

  • alfonso

    Tim Duncan plus stephan marbury = 3 titles because of duncans leadership demeaner and defence

  • alfonso

    yea he would hes 2003 spurs that one the title had no talent on it he won that championship by himself

  • alfonso

    nope KG would have crumbled against those shaq led laker teams, chris webbers kings, Duncans wolves, the Blazers, and nowitzkis mavs

  • alfonso

    garnett is 7″1 if any should be a 5 it should be garnett

  • pposse

    thats what they list him as..there is no way KG is 2 inches taller than Duncan, and if you put into account weight and strength into the equation then duncan is by far bigger than KG

  • kinshipray

    Define kinship

  • donny

    KG is cool as hell

  • donny

    San Antonio kills me. They think all their players are the most upstanding perfect gentlemen in all aspects of the game. Come On Man!

  • MrSuper

    Oh man, McHale was a beast in the post, able to defend superbly as well. Karl couldn’t really block shots plus he was the receiver of Stocton’s assists. We can’t call Malone (6’9″, 250 pounds) “undersized”, really, but he could run the floor like no other PF. Does anyone have statistics from Duncan – Malone matchups?

  • Johnny

    Is this a joke? Duncan a Center? Who cares what anybody says, he has played PF his whole career. He RARELY went one on one against Shaq, only for spot minutes here or there. There is no way on earth he could guard Shaq, just ask him. Shaq was lined up as the Center, and Duncan as the PF. Also, Shaq in his prime is far more of a force than Duncan in his prime. To Duncan’s credit, his prime lasted longer and he’s still effective past his prime. The longevity award goes to Duncan, the biggest 10 year impact goes to Shaq, period. BTW, that 40/14 against Shaq in 2008 was against Amare and Diaw, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.
    On the Garnett issue, I completely agree. Duncan has wiped the floor with him his whole career, and stopped him from going anywhere his whole career. The constant cussing, and fake look Garnett gives (The “I’m the most intense bad-a** in the world look) has gotten so old. Garnett is a tireless worker which he deserves credit for, but he’s a complete classless punk, and Duncan is a level above him.

  • Honey

    If this is true I understand. I saw Kevin Garnett hit TD in the back of the head during a game. Hate is strong but I understand.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4BLVWHDEOOYSGVBWIZ4A2AMXW4 Cristian

    your mom

  • http://www.facebook.com/scot.peirson Scot Merideth Peirson

    Go back and read the article–Pop said Duncan was SA’s starting center. Just as he had been for 16 years. I’ve always looked at the situation as a cross-match. Duncan might not have matched up with Shaquille during the Lakers’ years, but he didn’t have to since Robinson was there. But Shaq got seriously undressed during the 1999 playoffs by Timmy during San Antonio’s sweep of the Lakers. Timmy was using that bank off the left block repeatedly, and when Shaq finally made a step at him, Timmy would blow by him (If you could call Timmy’s speed “blow-by”) for dunks. Phil Jackson made sure that he had bodies he could throw at Tim when the Lakers threepeated–Horace Grant, A.C. Green, Big Shot Rob, Madsen–before Shaquille. When Shaq HAD to cover Timmy…it was ugly for Shaq.

  • Juan Gotti

    Lmao rite!… KG used to be dat dude but he do waaaayyyyyy too much now… time for his xtra ass to retire!… lol

  • C0P0

    I know a good many of players that dislike Garnett. He has a rather low favorability with his NBA colleagues. Everyone has to remember, it’s not a country club, it’s a competitive sport. Don’t like, just beat him.

  • Steve Sarah

    Guy… Karl Malone is also ranked #1 on MOST TURNOVERS in a career. everyone sleeps on that

  • John Jordan

    actually not in the least.

    Kevin Garnett is tied for the most All-Star games in NBA history. KG is also twice the defensive player as Duncan averaging more blocks and steals in a career. So the great is both TD and KG.

    Plus how many of those 61 games was KG on a team not even close to the level of SA was? TD is great don’t get me wrong, but it helps to have arguably the best PG in the game since 2001, while KG has had Rondo for 4 years. Anyone remember who his PG’s were in Minnesota? The most notable sh it break was Stephon Marbury.

  • Rav

    “Duncan’s lifetime numbers versus Garnett’s teams, by the way: 19.4 points per game, 11.6 boards and a 44-17 record.”

    Wrong. In the regular season, Duncan is 25-17, while he’s 6-2 in the playoffs (total: 31-19, which is .620, as opposed to the .720 mentioned in the article).

    In the regular season, Duncan’s averaged 19.5 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.9 bpg, 0.5 spg on .458 shooting in 37.6 mpg. Garnett: 20.3 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 4.1 apg, 2.0 bpg, 1.4 spg on .456 shooting in 37.8 mpg.

    Looking at the playoffs, Duncan’s averaged 20.6 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 3.4 apg, 2.5 bpg, 0.9 spg with a .463 FG% in 40.5 mpg. Garnett: 21.4 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.8 bpg, 1.4 spg with a .453 FG% in 41.9 mpg.

    In both the playoffs and regular season, Duncan has won more games head-to-head. But the notion that Duncan has outplayed Garnett is bogus. They seem to be very evenly matched, with Garnett having a slight edge in their regular-season matchups, while Duncan may have an even smaller edge in the playoffs.

    Statistics from: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=garneke01&p2=duncati01

  • Brad10

    LMFAO! KG was the TOP player on that championship team. I don’t like KG but you are just straight up hating…

  • Retrokidbk83

    Dude How When For His Whole Entire Career He Lined Up At PF!! Nazr Mohammed And David Robinson Before Him Started At The Damn 5! Timmy’s Last Two Years He’s Played the 5 Maybe. We All Read The Article

  • retrokidbk83

    I’m Pretty Sure You’ve Watched Bball For Most ORef Timmy’s Career When They Won’t Those Rings Who Was The Starting Center? David Robinson….Nazr Mohammed, Right? Meaning Tim Played The The PF….. But His Natural Position Was And Is Center .So To Me He’s A PF The Position I Watched Him Dominate @ His Whole Career.

  • Scot Merideth Peirson

    Hey, the dude’s own coach said he played center. You’re saying the guy who won four titles doesn’t know what position his best player is playing? I’ll give you an example–back in the day when the Washington Bullets were good (SERIOUSLY BACK IN THE DAY), they had Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld. They were both, for all intents and purposes, centers. What they ended up doing was that Wide Wes would defend the opposition’s center; while on offense, Hayes would work the low-post. The Spurs used the cross-match a lot with Duncan to their advantage. If Duncan was first option in the post on offense, he’s a center by definition. He defended as a 4, but played offense as a 5.

  • tax payer

    A forward doesn’t lose his balance everytime he goes in for a basket and Duncan seems to hit the floor too often, when dribbling the basketball. He is a Center, but won’t admit it.

  • tax payer

    They have always wanted to play together on the same team in the NBA, but that’s never going to happen

  • Rav

    Who fact-checked this post? Duncan does not hold a 44-17 head-to-head record over Garnett. Somebody at SLAM seems to have a vested interest in making Duncan look better than Garnett. The actual head-to-head record is closer, and while we’re shown Duncan’s stats from their matchups, Garnett put up identical (if not better) numbers in those games.

    The actual numbers (as per basketball-reference.com):


    Wins (Duncan-Garnett): 25-17
    Stats (Duncan first, P/R/A/B/S/FG%/Mins): 19.5/12.2/3.2/1.9/0.5/.458/37.6 vs. ——————————————————20.3/10.8/4.1/2.0/1.4/.456/37.8


    Wins (Duncan-Garnett): 6-2
    Stats (Duncan first, P/R/A/B/S/FG%/Mins): 20.6/11.9/3.4/2.5/0.9/.463/40.5 vs. ——————————————————21.4/12.0/4.0/1.8/1.4/.453/41.9

  • Ross Fawcett

    Two of my favorite players of all time. And no doubt the best power forwards ever.

  • 27

    I don’t. In fact he’s my fave player. So STFU

  • Trim Hits

    2 rings with Robinson, and 3 without…….. 5 total, so only 40% with a TRUE Center in Robinson on the court.

    He is both really.