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Monday, June 25th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  142 responses

James Harden Believes a ‘Dynasty’ is Being Built in OKC


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

The pain of losing the NBA Finals to the Miami Heat remains raw for the OKC Thunder’s young stars, but they’re already looking forward to what the future holds for them.

And according to James Harden, who struggled mightily in the championship round, the Thunder can expect to be the ones hoisting up championship trophies going forward.

Harden says he wants to sign a long-term deal in OKC — and might take a bit less money to make that happen — in order to help the franchise dominate the NBA for years to come.

From the Oklahoman:

Serge Ibaka and Eric Maynor join Harden as Thunder players who will be eligible to begin negotiating extensions to their rookie contracts starting July 1. But with Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook already signed to max contracts, it’s anyone’s guess how the Thunder will be able to afford all five players. “I’m just leaving it up to my agent and Sam (Presti),” Harden said. “They’ll do a pretty good job of working it out. I’m focused on several other things right now. But when the time is (right), they’ll figure it out and it’ll be done.” Harden is widely considered to be a top five shooting guard and potentially a third maximum-allowable contract level player. But he said Saturday that team success is more important to him than money and potentially making more elsewhere.

“This is something special here,” Harden said. “A dynasty is being built here. So we’re winning we’re having fun and we’re brothers. The other stuff, you can’t buy it.” Harden said his close friendships with his teammates is an extremely important factor in his decision as well. “This team is like a family,” Harden said. “Like, we’re really brothers. We hang out most of the time every single day. You won’t find any other team like this. I love it here.”

James Harden isn’t alone in his stated willingness to forego dollars in order to remain in OKC. Eric Maynor also stressed the importance of sacrificing a little for the current team to remain intact.

Talk of a dynasty may be wildly premature, but one thing is certain: should the OKC Thunder somehow find a way to keep this group together, they will be serious NBA championship contenders for years to come.

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  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Money is the one thing that can come in-between any family.

  • Ball.A.BabY

    Now that’s what I call a stand up ball player… when you have team mates who you have great chemistry with as a ball club, especially on a professional level of basketball. That does not come by very often… and IMO is alot worth than money…
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  • biggieman

    I like it!!! If Durant and Westbrook maybe gave up just a little to help sign this core group for the long term, they are only going to get better, and better. I don’t see anyone in the west who can hang with them in the years to come… They could have had the trophy this year if James Harden would have decided to show up in the Finals at all, they are all so young and only getting better. I really hope they figure out a way to make it happen…

  • floe

    yup, durant and westbrook should def put some money on the table to make this work.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    They better find somebody that can score in the block though.

  • tpathi1

    its funny cause james harden almost sounds like a hero for taking a pay cut.but when bosh wade and james did (sort of) they get to look like the villains of the NBA..this whole idea of taking a pay cut from james harden is because the Heat already did this two years ago.

  • Riptide

    harden uses his brain off court the same way on it. Good move.

  • Feez_22

    … unless you can restructure your NBA contract, how in the world can westbrook and durant put some money on the table to make this work exactly? Both of them have been extended already… Durant in 2010 and westbrook this year. Westbrook pretty much signed a 5 yr 80M$ extension (estimates by many but don’t expect it to be much lower than 80M. i think the lowest he goes is 75-78M when the $ is put out there in public by the team). Durant signed a 5 yr 85M dollar extension. they have room for another impact guy i believe but i am with eboy in that they need a post scorer. Maybe they trade either harden or ibaka for a high draft pick next year? who knows. However, its not all roses with the squad at all. if OKC messes this up… they may not be as potential of a dynasty as people think

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY05

    Not sure he should’ve put this out there right now, especially after the way he played in the finals. You want to stick with ur OKC family (which is understandable), but you want to get what you’re worth in the process. Hope OKC management doesn’t try to use this to their advantage during negotiations.

  • Magic fan

    this all sound nice, but there is still a team in miami that has somethin to say about this

  • MirChilly

    So Nick Anderson believes the Orlando Magic I mean James Harden believes the thunder can be a dynasty. Well, If him and Ibaka actually show up then it’s possible.

  • Wixurrs

    so Harden and OKC are heroes for taking paycuts but Lebron and Bosh are villains for turning down max deals? Also “Dynasty” implies 3 titles or more. Something Lebron made the mistake in saying…

  • http://blackamericaweb.com charliewinning

    He solidified in the Finals that a max deal from anyone is out of the question, which is awesome for OKC. Losing this year–with Harden playing subpar–might have been the best thing for the team long term.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    You miami bandwagoners need to stop your b1tch1ng. got damn

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Is Harden a top five shooting guard? That is an interesting question.
    Wade, Kobe, Manu, Joe Johnson and Monta Ellis are still ahead of him on my list.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I’d like to see Harden as a #1 or #2 option on a team…I think that would be more telling of his place on the top 5 SG list.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Wayno agreed. I think it’s kind of hard for him to have a stable spot on that list when you’re coming off the bench, playing with the three time scoring champ and arguably the second best player in the L, and playing with one of the best PG in the game. He needs room to flourish.

  • tpathi1

    KD already qualifies for the D Rose rule and Westbrook will soon qualify for the rule at the rate he is playing. Both KD and Westbrook will be eligibile for max deals and will be entitled to the %5 salary increase. Are the OKC management banking on the fact that neither one of these two players will be taking advantage of their eligibility?

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    good point, tpathi1.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The fact that Harden wanted to go to ASU to be the man, and knowing how he is and acts away from the NBA I would like to call this BS. If he gets offered a huge contract I highly doubt he turns it down. Some team is still likely to offer him close to a max deal. It’s hard to turn down an extra $30M or whatever he is offered by Phoenix or Toronto.

  • clydesays

    Dynasty to me implies at LEAST 3 championships with a core intact within decade. Bulls, Spurs & Lakers qualify over the past few decades. Sure, OKC has the POTENTIAL to be a Dynasty, but I wouldn’t even mention that word until the team wins a single Championship and seems like it will contend for more…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tpathi
    If I’m not mistaken you can only use the Derrick Rose rule on one player. So Westbrook didn’t get it. It’s why Minnesota refused to use it on Kevin Love because they wanted to save it for Rubio.

  • bike

    Did Harden’s stock really drop that bad because he had a poor showing over 5 finals games against a team that he matched up poorly against? OKC would not have made the finals w/o him. I don’t believe he is a top 5 SG but seems like he could wind up being a top option on several teams…

  • Jerome

    Westbrook needs to be traded. Not a team player. Will not help any TEAM win a championship … unless he learns to pass. OF course he can get his shot whenever he wants. Miami made the smart decision of letting Russ beat his own team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Things like this make OKC look bad. One final appearance & a team with not much financial help is going to become a dynasty before even one ring.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    tpath1, Why do you think he got it from the Heat when they took their pay cut? Did they take the idea from Gilbert Arenas?
    “[19] Arenas was offered a five-year contract worth more than $100 million by the Golden State Warriors and another max deal by the Wizards, a six-year deal worth $124 million.[20] On July 13, 2008, Arenas signed a contract worth $111 million over six years with the Wizards.[21]
    Gil was the initial paycutter homie.

  • tpathi1

    got it AllenP thanks for the clear up.

  • tpathi1

    LakeShow, the initial pay cutter was Shaq who gave away 10-12 million to sign Antoine Walker to the Miami Heat (the year they won and Antoine Walker did not do a damn thing!) – i only mentioned the Miami Heat because their big 3 did something similar in actually having three max players NOT sign max deals in order to play with each other and ultimately win the championship…im anticipating that the world will say that James Harden is this great guy for taking less money to play with KD and Westbrook and co. My opinion is that Harden would not have even thought about taking less money, but knows he has to now since the Heat already did.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    Harden is not an established player, like James, Wade, and Bosh were/are. No one know’s if Harden is a 5 million a year guy or 10m+. James, Wade, Bosh are all MAX players. Harden taking a pay cut as a role player and a 6th man is probably thought to be more admirable than MAX guys taking a pay cut just based upon total salary alone. I still admire James, Wade, and Bosh for doing that also though.

  • tpathi1

    If i were OKC i would worry more about seeing how interested Phil Jackson might be in coaching over there and then about getting good quality big men..not signing a 6th man..i am pretty sure they are modeling the whole franchise after the Spurs but what they don’t seem to understand is that (in my opinion) they don’t have the management/coaching to run like the Spurs

  • Rainman

    Difference is these guys are taking pay cuts to stay on the same team together. They didn’t decide years ahead of time they wud all be playing on the same team, whether that be for more or less money.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Despite a disappointing Final’s run, I still have JHarden in the Top-5 over JJohnson.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I will go out on a limb and predict that Harden starts next season over Thabo. He is great coming off the bench but I think OKC would be better off starting another ballhandler/playmaker next to Westbrook.

  • tpathi1

    rainman, speaking for myself…if i were in the league and was a superstar and my brother/good friends were in the league and superstars in their own right, hell they can be bummy ball players of all i care, but i would definately sell my talents for less money to have the opportunity to play with my own…Lebron didn’t decide in those years that he was not going to win a ring with Cleveland nor did Wade…Bosh plays for the raptors so who cares what he thinks, he sure as hell wasn’t thinking about winning a championship over there…if people are mad that these guys took 5 yr extensions and not max deals to keep their options open especially for their prime basketball years then be mad…these guys will go down as nothing but intelligent in my book

  • Ldub

    I would like to see Harden stay in OKC and see what these boys can do. Unfortunately its going to be extremely hard to do, all thanks to the CBA. Even if he takes less money, and say Serge does too, its going to be similar to Miami,LAL or NY. Where you wont have much wiggle room for signings/trades when they are available. @tpath…you know phil would change the team to the triangle which wont fit the Thunder. Youre putting the ball in Durants hands yes…but RW would be totally thrown off his game. Plus the Thunder do have good passing big men. They are a defensive run and gun team. Slowing it down for the triangle (IMO) wouldnt be good. Also people are so critical of Brooks. They thunder have improved each year under his coaching right? Last year it was semi’s and this year it was the Finals. One would assume with the talent and experience, they can take it in 2013. Unless they meet the Heat again! LOL

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I still prefer Joe Johnson. That’s my guy.

  • tpathi1

    i dont necessarily think that scott brooks is a good/great coach and at times i have been critical of him, but i dont know if he necessarily a bad coach either… but what i do know is that Phil Jackson IS a great coach. You can’t deny results, and the fact of the matter is every single coaching stint that Phil Jackson had ended with atleast winning 2 rings (bare minimum, Kobe’s Lakers won 2 when Phil came back). I think the triangle would be perfectly fine for the Thunder. The triangle works better for passing big men too, plus Westbrook would get post ups too. Having Phil Jackson coach an already contending team is money in the bank, they WILL win 2 rings with him atleast, if not more!!

  • Heals

    I just don’t see it. To me a Dynasty is 3 chips in around 5 years or so at the minimum (roughly speaking). With how The L is shaping up it’s gonna be stretch for any team to do that. Then again looking at the history of NBA Champs, it’s not necessarily the most inclusive group…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Monta Ellis or Eric Gordon though?

  • tpathi1

    dynasties are what the NBA is all about!..Don’t be surprised if LBJ’s “not one not two..” ends up coming true (hopefully not, hopefully it goes somethin like the Heat win then the Bulls win then the Heat win then the Bulls win, and then after ten years of this D Rose and LBJ face off for the final time to see who gets the best of the other..for bragging rights and to see who will go down as the 2nd best of all time and who will be the 3rd best of all time)

  • tpathi1

    the only teams in the west i see competing with this current OKC lineup are the memphis grizzlies and la lakers

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I can tell you right now Derrick Rose will never be in the top 10 conversation.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I can tell you right now NBK statement is very misguided…and Eric Gordon definitely deserves more top SG consideration than Harden.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    ^ *top 5*

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Naw it isn’t. You don’t tear your ACL at 24 and comeback and do things you already weren’t on pace to do. Derrick Rose can be an all-time great without getting in that conversation. It’s not a knock on him and it certainly isn’t misguided. It’s just true.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    Trolls.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    What do you mean already on pace to do……You don’t think Rose was a top 10 player already?

  • tpathi1

    NBK never say never!!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    All-time bruh

  • tpathi1

    3 league MVP’s and 4 rings should do the trick NBK

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    AW…I didn’t think he would be top 10 all time anyway. I can see top 10 PG of all-time though.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7C0vd-L5lg Munky

    Slick Ric can’t stop nibbling on Rose’s bits. He isn’t on a Durant Lebron level.

  • Ldub

    I can see the points you make with Phil coming in…but I dont agree. Westbrook will only have the advantage in the paint against the 2nd teir pg’s. He needs to utilize his speed and quickness to be effective. And I do agree Phil is a great coach, but what Im saying is, IDK if his style of ball would fit in OKC. Better put….IDK if the triangle would benefit all of the team as opposed to just a few stars. Is the level of intelligence for the players high enough to make it work? Remember majority of them are 22-28. Not saying its such a tough task to overcome…but when you have a shoot first PG, an iso 6th man, and create my own shot MVP…im having trouble seeing the benefit being greater.

  • Ldub

    Top 10 alltime? Doubtful. Youre going put him up there with MJ, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Wilt etc? I dont think Rose is on that level. If people are saying KD and LBJ wont be…there is no way that Rose will be. He has a similar style to Westbrook and NO ONE will EVER say RW is going to be top 10! I think its all in the name of Rose. People like this guy. He draws you to him because he is like a silent assassin. But I have to agree with Slick…top 10 pg..but not top 10 ever.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I didn’t include Eric Gordon because he’s coming off injury. I also considered Derozan, but thought he hadn’t developed enough.
    I have Harden probably around six or seven.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He ain’t gettig 3MVp’s and 4 rings. Sorry

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    DeRozan is terribly overrated if he’s anywhere near this conversation

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh top 10PG is definitely possible. Not just all-time out of everyone. That ain’t happenin

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    LOL, DeRozan. That is all.

  • Sizzle

    Just out of curiosity, where does everyone rank Rose now??

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Ever?

  • Sizzle

    Amongst current NBA Players

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Would it be crazy to consider Rose possibly being top 20 all-time? Idk, definitely not top 10 because I can’t even put KD & LBJ there. But you never know Rose may earn the stripes for it. The kid has a MJ/Kobe mentality. He wants to destroy you.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ nbk: DeRozan > Ginobili remember?

  • tpathi1

    sizzle…after last year i would have told u that d rose is second to no one in the league..that both him and LBJ hold the ranks as the best players in the nba..I would say the same to you after this year..both Rose and LBJ are the two best players in the league by far..they both are athletic freaks at their position and have good heads on their shoulders…d rose is superior on so many levels against all pg’s in the league that it is not even funny..he has winning percentages against all of them and their respective teams and this from a guy who only played max 4 years against the other ellite pg’s..if there was a fantasy gm draft..i dont see d rose going any less than number 2 with LBJ being the number one overall pick..after watching these playoffs i have a new appreciation for KD’s game and his abilities, but he can score d rose can score, pass, and he can d up if he has to

  • tpathi1

    i gotta point out here that in 2010 this site rated d rose as the number 12 or 18 guy in the league i think..he won the mvp that year..i remember arguing with eboy or someone and they called me crazy when i said that d rose should be in the top ten (top 5 is maybe what i argued) and that ron artest should be in the top 50 lol

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    ^It was Pierce.
    If your talking about that idiot that said DeRozan was better than *player A* a while back that we ridiculed, then it was actually Pierce he was saying was not as good as DeRozan.

  • tpathi1

    i also must point out that when lebron made the ‘decision’ he spent atleast one minute talking about how great of a ball player d rose was and his thoughts towards going to Chicago (mainly speaking of d rose’s greatness) before he uttered the words “im taking my talents to south beach” – that is high praise for what is seeming like the most smartest ball player in the game right now…he should have just came to chicago..there would be no way we lose ever with those two guys in the lineup! maybe games, but championships would come by the dozens!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Derrick Rose us probably between 6-15 depending on how his knee recovers. He was never a top 5 player. Bron, KD, KB, DW, DH, CP have held the top 5 firm for the last 2 years.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    Sorry, that was at TTB.
    Going into next year my player rankings are as follows.
    Semi-loosely:
    Bron
    KD
    Howard
    Kobe
    CP3
    Rose
    Wade
    Love
    Deron
    Russ West
    Rondo
    Melo

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You can win MVP without being the best player. It’s most valuable, not best.

  • tpathi1

    DW and CP3 are nobodies compared to 2010 and 2011-2012 D Rose. They lose to him always when they play him! If d rose was healthy he would be the starting pg on the olympic roster too!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol

  • tpathi1

    nbk..he has been the only other ball player to be MVP in the last 4 years..and rightfully so..he made all the point guards look terrible and they all know that he is bigger faster stronger, and hell they are probably real scared since they know he works harder than them too! im sorry homie there is nothing firm about your top 5..

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    tpath1 has a troll now too.
    His troll talking crazy sh*t like, D-Will and CP3 can’t hold a light to D-Rose…. Hmmm… lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I like Derozan’s development so far. He has a ways to go, but I like his progress. For all the talk about Harden for me the biggest change has just been in his confidence. He’s picked up some craftiness, but his skills have been fairly consistent. It’s mainly about confidence with him. Derozan, on the other hand, has tons of room for skill development and seems hell bent on doing it. I didn’t watch him much, but I saw some flashes.
    Of course, I’m also the guy that loves Nick Young’s game.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, so you think that at this point in his career Kobe is better than CP? The same CP that led a Clippers team that was 32-50 the year before he arrived to the 5th best record in the West and a 2nd round appearance with what is possibly the worst coach in the L at the helm. I don’t see it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    Mmmh, it is tough for me to say JT. I think Chris Paul certainly has an opportunity to prove he is better than Kobe next year. It isn’t established in my book yet though. I mean if KB doesn’t perform I don’t care, I won’t have him in my top 10, but if he does perform equal to or better than last year, I would be hard pressed to place CP3 ahead of him.
    I have no complaints with someone that has Paul ahead of Kobe next year.
    AllenP, calling himself out lol.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I am not sold on Derozan’s game. He’s too much of a one-trick pony for me. He’s a good scorer with excellent ball-in-hand skills but he doesn’t offer much in terms of playmaking and rebounding.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Top PG’s all time:
    Magic
    Oscar
    West
    Stockton
    Isiah
    Kidd
    Cousy
    Frasier
    Tiny
    Payton
    Nash
    Kevin
    I doubt Rose will scratch the top 10 honestly. That injury will hurt him for a while, especially since his game is truly based on athleticism. Minus the injury, I could see him getting past Kevin and maybe Nash. Dude has some stuff competition though.

  • Ldub

    I think Dwill has been forgotten about to an extent, because he played for NJ. CP3 is still beast and we dont really know what rose would have done or will do because of the injury. People claim he wont be the same, but Rose’s speed is still 2-3 steps faster than most players, which means if he lost a step or 2…he is still faster than 95% of the L. His agility may take a slight dip too…but then again you never know. I think people will still respect his abilities enough to allow him to still drop 25,5 and 5.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    lmao my bad… DeRozan is better than Pierce. I’m like 90% sure that was Zogs.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Caboose: Chris Paul is cracking the top 10 for sure. And I don’t consider Jerry West a pg. And I’d put Frazier > Cousy. imo Cousy is hard to rank because he’s one of those pioneers like George Mikan who don’t really transcend their time.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    – Magic
    – Oscar (even though he’s equally a 2 imo)
    – Isiah
    – Frazier
    – Stockton
    – Kidd
    – Archibald
    – Payton
    – Nash
    – KJ
    – Cousy

  • BostonBaller

    Let’s not take what the guy said and run him over with a truck b/c of it. ““This is something special here,” Harden said. “A dynasty is being built here. So we’re winning we’re having fun and we’re brothers.” A dynasty is being built is a little different than saying outright that they will win multiple chips. tpathi1/Wixurrs, Harden hasn’t taken a paycut yet and may not do so..time will tell. Sorry to dissapoint some Heat fans but no one is calling the guy a hero and IMO it isn’t the same thing Bosh & LBJ did. Like someone stated, theirs may have been cooked up in the back room. lol (planned) but Harden and Maynor (not superstars) are already on the team and SAY they want to make it work with the group they have. I’m not saying LBJ & Bosh did anything wrong so put away the Uzi. lol.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Co-sign ldub. I was thinking the same thing…In terms of being a top 10 PG of all-time, I think its highly capable for him. If he’s consistent with his production, I can see him passing up guys like nash, archibald and Payton but he’ll have to be nothing short of spectacular to get in that Isiah, Magic conversation.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    anybody who insults someone’s family on a basketball site needs a life.

  • tpathi1

    If d rose performs at the level he is at right now with his winning percentage and overall stats he will definately have the numbers to be a top ten pg all time..people d rose has been in the league for four years! And this past year he was out 30 games! If he stays healthy, put up the same numbers and win like two rings he def will be one of the tops all time (at pg) if he ends up winning more rings than lbj thruout his career that’s a rap then..he will be the second best baller ever..that’s a big IF but it can happen

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Ur using my name. Use your own, I won’t insult the intelligence of you and all the people who share your genetics. Trolling is not as much fun when that happens is it?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    No ones saying “it can’t happen.” It’s a huuuuge IF though.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Still pretty fun.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Still pathetic.

  • backboard

    @NBK: i need you to tell me something: what were the reasons Harden went to ASU? How is Harden acting off the court?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It’s sad you think insulting me on a website actually offends me. Haha you suck

  • clydesays

    I’d rank the ALL TIME list as:
    1. Magic
    2. Big O
    3. Stockton
    4. Cousy
    5. Kidd
    6. Isiah
    7. Clyde
    8. Tiny
    9. GP
    10. Nash

    Out of the current crop, Rose, CP3 & Rondo have the potential to crack the Top 10. Dunno about DWill…

  • Ldub

    He doesnt need to win a ring to be considered top 10pg. Nash has never won…and Payton didnt win until his final season in Miami when he got carried by Wade and Shaq. His career before 2006 is what solitified his position. I feel he would be in the same place, whether 06′ happened for him or not.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Backboard – he followed a high school coach he trained with to ASU and talked about turning them into a winning program. He knew he would be the best player coming in, so he basically thought he could be the man on a winning college team. He also has some family in Phoenix.
    -
    Troll, If what I said didn’t bother you, you wouldn’t have acknowledged it, and your dumbass definitely wouldn’t have had to bring it up on a different page. Then again, me saying that also gave you another excuse to chase what you desire, attention. So you’re welcome. I’m sure you can put your ability to troll on your fridge, maybe your parents will give you an unintelligent pat on the back….oh wait, you are doing this as an adult. You are assuming the identity of another person, in a meaningless comment section on a basketball website, to try and annoy them and everyone else, as an adult. If there is not a more blatant sign of attention starved stupidity, idk what is.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I never made it personal. You did. So it bothers you not me.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    My bad Backboard, away from the nba court (i only hear about how he was at ASU and open gyms) he is conceited and talks a lot of sh*t about how good and idk “hard” he is. He just gives off the vibe that he wants shine, which makes it hard for me to believe he is just going to take a pay decrease to remain a third option in Oklahoma City.

  • Ldub

    If Rondo continues to put up #’s like he does…I think he will get to the top 10 well before Rose would. His scoring isnt the same (average wise)…but I feel he could score 25 a night. While still getting 8-10 boards and of course the double digit assists. You can say this is a direct result of him playing with the big 3. But even when those dudes are off the floor…he was still finding cats like Daniels, Bradley, Bass, MP for scores. He gives the ball right on the money for the teammate to be comfortable and in rhythm. I cannot say the same thing about Rose. I do think Rose is more explosive (perhaps in leaping) but they are both extremely quick/fast, can handle the rock, and get to where they want to go on the court. Rondo>Rose

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol I am bothered. You seem stupid, and tried to tell Me I was a “waste of life” for saying something I didn’t say. So I made it more simple for you by clarifying what I meant by slow mentally. Since you took it as me saying a disorder I just clarified, you are just stupid. And by that I meant you likely come from a line of stupid people. To make things clear to stupid people sometimes you have to make it personal. I am a “waste of life” and you are the product of beig stupid. Get it yet?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Got it. You know I keep trying to put in my own name but SLAM keeps changing it back to you. That’s why I try to post serious basketball opinions. I just want to talk ball like everyone else here. I did misunderstand the slow mentally thing and I apologize for that. The guy who posts random crap like “I have a foot fetish” is someone else.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If that wasn’t clear enough for you, stupidity bothers me. And i’m not really a nice person in places where i like to have at least semi-intelligent discussions about things* that interest me, so i tell stupid people (like yourself) how i feel about them.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You know once you comment a couple times it will for the most part put in the right information. The system is obviously broken. So just correct the issue on your end and soon enough it will be fixed for you for the most part. You just have to be smarter than the website. It auto fills the name you use most often, usually.

  • Ldub

    When did all this trolling start? It isnt amusing or classy. Some of these cats have intelligence enough to make their own name. I dont understand why the have to hang on the coat tails of dudes who have been here for a while. And whats even more odd, its just a website where no one even knows who you really are. So not only are you using a fake-fake name. Youre feeling good about yourself in the process? Its just weird!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I do type my own name. SLAM typed your name back in every time. I apologize for the things I said back there. They were uncalled for

  • http://blackamericaweb.com charliewinning

    WTF

  • Ldub

    If there is an issue (possibly with the name youve chosen)…then simply choose another name. Oddly enough, Ive never had an issue with it posting my comments as someone else. I see that before I click submit, I make sure it says “Ldub”. I have come across Caboose and others, but Id rather get credit for myself than someone else. I take pride in what I post…and If I was having issues with the system….then I would at least put “sorry for the name…this is “__________”….so that people dont confuse the two. Just saying…like nbk mentioned be smarter than the system!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Like i said, for the most part, it will fill the name you (your IP Address) uses most often. It’s how Slam can ban people. Yes, they can ban you, even without a usual name. (Which I never asked anyone to do to you or any other troll for the record – I know you are not trying to be that obnoxious and do find some sense of enjoyment from this) The only person to ever get banne was Greek Dude, i don’t remember what his name was, but he was banned. He said he’d change his name and come back without realizing it wasn’t his name that would be banned.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Sorry but Rose is better than CP3 & D. Will. How isn’t he when he’s out played them & won?

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    I have changed my name multiple times but it keeps coming back to nbk.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You comment more with my information then your own. Are you Redd? You actually have to comment with your own name more than you comment with mine.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Delete all files and data on your browser. Enter your own information. That should do the most part of the trick as long as you comment with your regular name first.

  • Mack

    Ill never understand why guys leave good teams with great chemistry for a large sum of money. Let’s say someone offers Harden 10+ million and OKC wants to sign him for around 7 or 8, is that extra 3-4-5 million dollars really that important? Sure guys wanna be the go-to and the franchise but why leave a potential championship…. I’d like to ask 2006 Joe Johnson that.

  • Ldub

    Mack….I made that argument a week or so ago. Someone responded with they have to take care of their family! Which in return I laughed at because 7-10 million would become pennies at that point. I also made mention that if I was in a position to play ball for money…I dont need 15mil a year to take care of my fam. If I could bring in people that I knew could help in winning a championship, I would by all means take a pay cut.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Do you value basketball or the future of your family?
    .
    The answer to that question should help you understand.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It’s not about you. It’s about your grand children. It’s called planning ahead, in preparation for the worst case scenario. Say you have a child who suffers a brain injury and can’t make an income to take care of his kids. Those extra millions you made during your career can take care of sch a horrible possibility. It’s basically selfish to put your life and the success of your career over the future of your family. Which I’m sure, someday, you will understand.

  • http://blackamericaweb.com charliewinning

    Funny how people question why the players won’t take pay cuts when they NEVER ask why billionaire ownership won’t dig deeper to deal with the consequences of going over the cap. It’s beyond stupid to ask someone to help save a billionaire money at your own expense. That whole mentality is warped to me. I also find it funny when people assume, based on their own lives, what a certain amount of money should and would mean to someone else. Do you know what their plans are for their money? How can you tell someone else how much money they should pass up? Basketball is a sport that can be played up until you can’t walk anymore. NBA careers, and the opportunity to make millions, is a very short lived experience. IT’S ONLY A GAME. No championship is worth a lifetime of financial stability.

  • Ldub

    Those scenarios are totally different nbk. The answer I gave was based on an average fam. Mom and Pops…maybe a few brothers and sister. If there was some sort of illness then by all means do what you have to do for your family. It all boils down to what is most important to you. Everyone wants to win a ring in their career. But if youre gifted enough to play ball and make millions (and youre doing it on behalf of the children/grandchildren) then go for the dough. I agree with you there. I am saying that if youre just planning for the future 8-9 million isnt that much of a difference. ((This would apply greatly for someone like DFish))

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You Wer hear the saying “prepare for the worst, hope for the best” – most these guys don’t even start their families till the latter part of their career. There is no way to know what is going to happen. Might as well be prepared

  • Ldub

    Charlie….IDK if anyone was telling another person to pass up money, unless youre referring to what Mack said. I never stated what another should do financially. And that is for the reasons you stated. I was simply saying what I would do. And again, agreeing with nbk…no one knows what another has going on in their personal lives. But on a basketball standpoint (alone)….stating you want to win win win, but take the biggest payday possible, then expecting to get other stars (with the same “biggest payday possible” mentality) just wont work. So a pay cut from someone/somewhere has to happen for the pieces to fit. I am just saying what “I” would do if in that position (basketball perspective only)

  • http://blackamericaweb.com charliewinning

    Basically it’s about keeping things in perspective. It’s short sighted and a bit immature to believe that a basketball championship right now is going to be as valuable to you as your family’s financial security when you are 50. I’m sure Joe Johnson won’t be upset with himself for taking that extra $20 mil, and neither will his wife, children, and possible business partners.

  • http://blackamericaweb.com charliewinning

    ^That was for Mack.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I get what your saying LDub, my bad. I thought you were talking about in general.

  • Ldub

    I gotchu nbk. Like I said….responses were in regards to basketball sense. Aside fromt he family stuff.

  • http://blackamericaweb.com charliewinning

    Ldub, I believe they want to win. You can’t doubt it based strictly on the financial situation. The fact of the matter is, we can want two things at the same time that we can’t have simultaneously. At that point you have to decide which is more important. Most sane people won’t choose a short career in sports over long term success.

  • http://slamonline.com Mars

    DYNasty. Yeah they will be scary good for years to come, but they Ibake and Harden. Maynor, ehh…sorry kid, not so much. And if they can get another legit big…say KG or dare I say Odom they could be unstoppable. Goodbye Kendrick.

  • Ldub

    Charlie….I agree 100%. Either way….I would love to be in the position of the lowest paid player. Getting up every morning to travel and play ball? I couldnt think of a better way to make a living…other than NOT getting up and NOT traveling and making the same amount of money.

  • Ldub

    ^^^what!??

  • http://blackamericaweb.com charliewinning

    Yeah they’re definitely living their dreams right now. If I didn’t have kids I’d switch places my damn self if it were possible lol.

  • Ldub

    Myself and a buddy of mine have been thinkin about runnin over seas to see how that would go. Look at the process, got a coachs name down in San Diego that would give us a look and havent set the date yet. Kinda of hard when things are established here already ya know. Its a dream that kind of faded away. Now its like 60k a year is cool with me. As much as I would like to be over seas/ballin in NBA….I dont think I would be able to reach that level. Im confident in my skills but being 28 puts alot of doubt in my mind. So here I stay…talking to you about dreams and kids lol

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Well the hardest part of going over seas is most leagues have a cap on American players per team. I’ve also looked into it, and to even have a shot I would have to give up my job and life here and totally devote myself to something that i would have less then a 50% chance of getting a shot at. But one of the guys on my men’s league team (he only plays during the summer) just won a championship in Iceland and he loves it.

  • Ldub

    and thats what im talking about nbk. here (even though its less than the “potential”) its more of a certainty. If I didnt have a family and obligations here then id definitely at least try it. They should have a semi pro league or something. (not like the d league)..but like they have arena football/AAA baseball. I have never seen/nor heard of it. Its high school, college then pros. The “one” I just found is in Virginia. It would be nice to go back home and play but being in Cali makes it really difficult. Aside from all the family obligations already!

  • Ldub

    scratch that…I meant semi pro where I live…so I could at least do both. But those dudes dont make much.

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    What I meant is, I put in my own name then when I type a comment, your name shows up on the screen. Your name is never in my box to start

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I feel you LDub. I’m in the same situation, except they do have a “semi-pro” team out in Phoenix. Except a lot
    Of The guys wouldn’t have even played on my high school team. so it’s hardly semi-pro, it’s “not-remotely-pro”

  • LeBrOn 4 MvP!

    yo yo, this bout james harden, not about drose top 10 or family stuff. james harden you dint play your best in finals yall know what i mean but yall deserve a nice contract anyways yall.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Lol.

  • BostonBaller

    “I have to feed my family” lol. How many of you on here do NOT make even 1 million a year and are still able to feed your families, take vacations and still save & invest? I thought so, therefore why can’t someone who is making even the minimum NBA salary do the same? Just because you make millions a year doesn’t mean you have to spend millions a year. I don’t buy the whole “what if” this or that happened scenarios or the “taking care of grandkids. Diversified investments, trust funds, college funds, savings accts, etc etc. IMO

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    This troll thing is a riot. ^_^

  • tpathi1

    haha this is like reading a scene out of the sequel Fight Club 2 – revenge of the trolls

  • Bob

    If OKC does become a dynasty, Harden isn’t going to be the 3rd option and will be too expensive for the 6th man. Getting Perry Jones in the draft is more like a “dynasty” move. KD on the right, PJIII on the left, Westbrook in the middle equals how do you want me to kill you. Jones is a huge 3 and headache match up problem. I see Harden leaving the family OKC for greener pastures. That’s business. Umm, while I’m still predicting… I feel it coming now…….. Perkins will be replaced in the near future leaving $$ for Serge and another young big man with a nasty disposition……….. who may that be?

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