Thursday, June 28th, 2012 at 9:30 am  |  141 responses

Lakers, Hawks Discussing a Trade Involving Josh Smith and Pau Gasol?


Despite the Los Angeles Lakers’ stated desire not to make any major roster moves this summer, reports continue to claim that they’re actively shopping Pau Gasol. The latest rumor is that there are talks between LA and Atlanta about a possible swap involving Gasol and Josh Smith. Per the LA Times and AJC: “Smith has been unhappy in Atlanta for more than a year, his dissatisfaction starting after the 2010-11 season because he felt he was an unfair target of criticism by coaches and media members. In separate activity leading up to Thursday’s amateur draft, the Lakers are also open to trading Gasol to a team with a high first-round pick because they covet Kentucky freshman Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Atlanta holds the 23rd pick and cannot help in that area. No deals were imminent for the Lakers, who hold only the 60th and final pick in the draft. They have not had a first-round pick since taking Javaris Crittenton in 2007. Last season, Smith averaged career-highs in points (18.8) and rebounds (9.6) for the Hawks. He is only 26, five years younger than Gasol. If the Lakers struck a deal with Atlanta, they would lose the height advantage that made them one of the longest teams in the NBA — Smith is 6 feet 9, three inches shorter than Gasol — but would instantly become more athletic. Smith is an incredibly active defender and has career averages of 1.3 steals and 2.2 blocked shots. Two years ago, he became the youngest player ever with 1,000 career blocked shots. He has one more year on his contract for $13.2 million and becomes an unrestricted free agent in June 2013 unless he signs an extension. The Lakers would also benefit financially from a deal involving the two players: Gasol has two more years and $38.3 million on his contract. It is unclear which player would accompany Smith to the Lakers in such a scenario. [...] And a big caveat is that his report says the Hawks first expressed interest in Gasol after Los Angeles was eliminated from the playoffs by the Thunder, back when Rick Sund was still Hawks GM. The Hawks have since hired GM Danny Ferry, who says he’s focused more on building long term. Gasol turns 32 next week and is owed more than $38 million over the next two seasons. [...] Smith, who can become an unrestricted free agent next summer, first told the Hawks he wanted to be traded after last season and reiterated that desire prior to this season’s deadline. Smith wants to join a franchise he feels is more committed to winning and play in a market with better fan support.”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    @Shock idk about “YMCA” level but the dude does lack Ball IQ.

  • Ldub

    The issue that EVERYONE seems to have with Westbrook is his shot selection (because KD is on the court with him). If you place him in Chicago for D-Rose (with no help) then people wouldnt question him. He is doing what he feels is helping the team win. I dont consider him to have a low bball IQ, I consider him to be selfish. Kobe has a high bball IQ and he is selfish. So what exactly is the argument? Russ went to UCLA…Kobe didnt attend College. Neither did Lebron…but he has an amazing IQ as well. For some players college helped their game..but to say college is the basis for a better NBA IQ…i dont buy that. KG is another example of an extremely intelligent BBALL player who didnt attend college! I guess the argument can go both ways depending on whom you are talking about. *shrug*

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Amar’e Stoudemire is just not smart, period. Just because he said College would have helped his basketball IQ doesn’t make it true. That’s like me saying the moon would have hoped my basketball IQ. Amar’e never went to college, so he can’t possibly know just like I can’t about going to the moon.

  • tpathi1

    Kobe was set up to win championships since 1999. He played with the most dominating force and won 3 straight chips, they could have won a 4th in a row (pistons victory = fluke)…then kobe aka horry jr. lack of intelligence reared its ugly head and somehow some way he managed to drive the Diesel out of town…instead of going after his fourth ring (the first without shaq) kobe takes 3 years in his prime i may add to show off and barely make it to the playoffs, get knocked outt the first round when they are up 3-1 in the playoffs (against an amare-less suns team lol), until finally he got another big man in Pau, and he won 2 more rings…by my estimation kobe should have had atleast 8 rings by now..that dude is slow..he should have went to college..and now at 32 or however old he is, he is complaining about Pau, whats that guys problem

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Helped*

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe Bryant’s maturity about teammates has nothing to do with if he did or didn’t go to college. For every guy that didn’t go to college that has maturity issues there is one that did, with the same issues. For every Kobe there is a Rasheed Wallace. You figure it out.

  • Ldub

    If he went to college he wouldnt have been a laker! The draft would have been different. Lakers might not have had Vlade to trade to the Hornets etc. So to say that Kobe would have 8 rings is all in theory that everything would pan out the same exact way. In which it wouldnt. Nice try though tpath. To say that Kobe’s IQ is low because he didnt win rings (or doesnt have more rings than he has now) is completely crazy. What does that say about some of the most intelligent players in the game today? Cp3 doesnt have a ring and went to college, Kidd only has 1 and went to college, Nash doesnt have any, Battier (one of the most intelligent players in the game today) just got his first. Like I said…selfishness is the difference that IQ. And piggy backing off nbk…the major difference you seem to be talking about is IQ (school/world knowledge) 2+2=4 type IQ. Basketball knowledge is different. Footwork, when to shot, when to dribble, when to pass, how to pass, etc.

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    ^^^^ The Spurs won the title the year before the Pistons beat the Lakers. Read a book.

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    tpath1 needs to get some facts straight before posting.

  • tpathi1

    owners want players to stay in college or what have you for a couple years cause they know that regardless of college or not going, that the nba game takes years to adjust to..if guys keep comin into the league at 18 with significant playing minutes, they will adjust at a younger age and in turn demand more money for a longer period of time..whereas if u go to school for 4 years and get to the league at 22…u still need to adjust to the NBA game which will take a couple years and in turn the owners won’t have to pay these players max dollars for longer periods of time…i was just playing about how kobe needs college…and if players keep getting drafted at 19 the record books will be skewed big time..kobe is on pace to shatter a lot of scoring records, kd is as well, and so is lebron…as a bball enthusiast it will be hard for me to tell grandkids or whatever about the 80′s and 90′s when a lot of these guys names won’t be in the record books anymore..the commissioner probably should up the age to 20 so the kids who hoop will not get these crazy hoop dreams about getting drafted out of college…high schools across the country doesn’t need their kids talkin about graduating hs and going straight to the pros

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe Bryant won 2 rings as the best player on a team that ran the triangle. It’s safe to say he is a very smart player. And many regard him as the smartest player (basketball IQ wise) in the NBa. There are player, coach, and GM polls that reflect that belief. Selfishness and intelligence are different. Kobe is one of the greatest to ever lace them up (#12) in my book. He definitely made the right decision by foregoing college, it allowed him to develop in the NBA game and put him in position to be what he has become. He was an NBA all star in what would have been his sophomore year of college, and the 2nd best player on a title team in what would have been his senior year. Lol, there is no logical argument for Bryant going to college. It’s ridiculous to even try an make up one.

  • tpathi1

    oh im sory whitemarkprice..your right they did..but does that take away from the fact that the lakers probably could have won 8 rings? do you remember what happened when shaq left? him and that kid from robbins il went all the way to the ECF and only lost that year to the pistons bc of a twisted rib that kept wade out of the last two games..oh and what did shaq and the kid do the very next year? did they win that ring?! so pretty much shaq put himself in title contention right away after his departure with a guy a lot of u guys say is no where near kobe’s level..he only won one ring..but what do u think would have happened if he played with Kobe in those years?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Owners want guys to go to college because it benefits them financially. There is nothing more too it. Free Scouting, less contracts to sign. It’s not like just any kid can come to the nba out of high school, it’s, more times then not, the guys who will be good to very good NBA players that can come out HS, which means at 22, 26, 30, 34 (typically) they will be signing BIG contracts. Rather than, 25, 29, 33. That’s one less huge paycheck owners have to shell out. To believe what the owners try and portray (“it benefits the player to go to college”) is naive. Nothing more.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Nbk (Gilbert Arenas voice) “Pick one” as theme from Jeopardy plays in finitum

  • Sérgio

    Nbk, don’t waste your time arguing with that dumb@ss. A guy who calls Kobe freakin Bryant, one of the greatest players of all time (# 12, like you said, is a pretty low place for him in most lists) and the greatest winner of his generation, Horry Jr. in plainly retarded. Well, maybe if he goes to college, his argumentation IQ will improve…

  • tpathi1

    i dont understand how kobe is the ‘greatest winner’ in any generation..a true winner would have never let the diesel leave LA no matter what

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Tim Duncan is the greatest winner and player of this generation. There is no narrative about Kobe Bryant that will ever make me feel like he was a better player than Duncan.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    You’re right. Kobe’s no Robert Horry .. Robert Horry never tried to be “the man” when he played with Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson and Duncan. Didn’t know there were so many sheep on here.

  • LeBrOn 4 MvP!

    Yeyah! yo yo the gasol smith trade is on fire, i hope the trigger is pulled, real talk

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Robert Horry never played in an All-Star game. He was also never even the best player on a team, let alone the best player on a team that won two championships. Go back to your website, and keep believing that your opinion matters to someone

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    Kobe might be something someday if he puts his mind to it… and goes to college.

  • tpathi1

    the only issue i have with duncan being labeled a great great ball player is that i don’t believe that he had that many great years…like most all time greats in anyone’s top ten have like 13 great years..i thought duncans was more around 10 years of excellence..his overall numbers are still 20 10..but i dont remember the last time his averages were 20 10 in a season

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Nbk I hear all that mouf but the theme from Jeopardy’s still playing

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Tim Duncan’s 20-10 came with game changing defense. And he averaged 19-10.7 in 2008-09 in just 34.3 minutes. From 21-32 (1997-98 – 2008-09) he averaged 21 and 11.7 with 3 assists and 2.7 blocks on 50% shooting. That’s crazy dominant production for over a decade to go along with the best winning percentage in ALL of professional sports. Duncan is under appreciated by most people imo.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Well that’s a weird hallucination Shock Exchange, you should get that checked out. And idk about anyone else but I comment with my fingers, not my mouf, whatever that is. Unless you have a speech impediment and you comment with that dragon speech software, then I understand you meant mouth, which again, I don’t use to comment. Good one though, really cut me deep.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Cool. So I assume the convo. on the college debate is now closed … as the theme from Jeopardy plays in finitum. But you’ve still gotten my dander up.

  • Sérgio

    Nbk, well, then I’ll have to disagree with you. Kobe has 5 rings and 7 finals appearences. I agree that Duncan’s defensive impact was bigger, but Kobe was no slouch on that side either, even tough he is not consistently good nowadays. And Duncan may have a better winning percentage, but really, compare his casts yo Kobe’s, specially from 04 to 08.
    Also, to me, Shaq was also better than Duncan. Both he and Kobe were much more dominating than TD.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    infinitum is one word. Go to college.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    How many words is “fiddy”?

  • Ldub

    tpath1…nothing in sports is guaranteed. and it seems like your spitting alot of venom in Kobe’s direction for Shaq leaving. Whether it was Kobe, Shaq, Phil or Luke Walton…no one will ever really know. But to say that Kobe is less intelligent because of dispute and unwillingness to work with another is just bananas. And regardless of the “beef” between the 2 powerhouses…the GM still pulled the trigger on the trade to send him to Miami. You cannot blame that entire situation on Kobe and say he isnt intelligent because Shaq left.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq was better than Duncan. Which means 3 of Kobe’s titles came with a better player than both of them. So using simple association, Duncan has led teams to 3 (or 4 depending on your opinion of his first title) titles to Kobe’s 2. Duncan has a defensive impact on entire teams, to Kobe’s (over rated) impact on just his matchup. Duncan has never missed the playoffs (And has only lost in the first round twice, in his whole career) while Kobe has never even won a round without either Shaq or Pau. Duncan is better, and more dominant. There is just no way around it imo. If Kobe were as dominant, then he wouldn’t have struggled to be successful so much in the middle of his prime. That and Kobe drove Shaq out of town, then while Shaq proceeded to win another title with an inferior player (Wade) Kobe struggled to make the playoffs and make his teammates better (Caron Butler for example, went on to become an All-Star one year after leaving Kobe Bryant…while playing next to Gilbert Arenas).

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    ^^ Thus,making my point that Kobe is a “glorified Robert Horry” … he has only wins ‘chips when he plays on teams with “exceptionally more talent” – Shaq (Wilt of his era) and Pau/Bynum (2 highly skilled 7 footers when the rest of the NBA suits up 6’8″ centers) than the rest of the league. So you were lying earlier … you do like Kobe’s “Horry, Jr” tag.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Fiddy is zero words.
    .
    But according tithe Urban Dictionary (which is certainly what you use) it is “a word used by morons who can’t pronounce, or for that matter spell the word ‘fifty’”
    .
    Ouch.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No Shock Exchange, you can understand a player without being an idiot. I respect Kobe and the player he is. Only a glorified dumbass who uses words like “fiddy” and “mouf” in a comment section make such ignorant comparisons. You are stupid. And proud of it apparently.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    It takes an ignoramus to get emotional on basketball website and start with personal insults. Since you want to get personal, there are thousands of courts in New York City … (Gilbert Arenas voice) “Pick one.”

  • Ldub

    nbk makes good points in the duncan/kobe argument. Which then kinda kills kobe from being in the jordan conversation. Jordan had awesome role players, but didnt have another dominant with him. Cant just compare rings. Have to look at all of the underlined issues as well.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Like I tell everyone who thinks I am emotionally calling them stupid, I am not. I genuinely find you to be stupid. So I tell you. Don’t try and argue with someone if you don’t want their opinion. And I genuinely don’t give a damn about what you think you would do on a basketball court against me. Plus, making that stupid argument to someone you don’t know every time they call out your brain is ignorant. Maybe “not going to college” is the issue here…haha

  • Kilo

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m a Laker’s fan that lives in the A. Josh Smith does not play hard. Josh Smith does not care about this game. Kobe may choke him. He settles for jumpers, he gets too many techs and he fire bricks at the foul line. He ‘ll block a few shots, but he leaves way too much on the court. We just need to clear some cap space and make a real run at D-Will or Steve Nash. If we don’t get him, then just stay put.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    ^^ Definitely puts Kobe in the “Horry conversation”

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    What’s up lakeshow. I think Spain takes silver. The Gasol brothers will be a lot to handle

  • Ldub

    Horry and Kobe are no comparison either Shock. IDK why you would even feel they are.

  • LeBrOn 4 MvP!

    yo yo real talk, imo duncan most under appreciated player of all time, yall feel me?! dawg aint get enuf respect. when his career is over fools will kneel before him. his time will come, his time will come, real talk

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    Hi troll. Cool, good prediction. You think Argentina will make any noise? I feel like they lost their mojo, but you can’t count them out. They will be a hard out.
    .
    Oh, real nbk, your making some BS stuff up in with your analysis of Bean. Saying he doesn’t make his team mates better sounds good, because Kobe is not known for being Magic on the court, but it’s just not true. Caron Butler was in his 3rd year in LA and still developing. He put up 15 points as a rook on the Heat his first year,(cause they were garbage) and then 9 in his 2nd. He goes to LA, puts up 15, then goes on to steadily have better years as he enter his prime. A typical curve for a players career. Their was no hampering by Kobe on Butler. He just hadn’t hit his stride till he left LA. It was all physical and mental aspects.
    There has never been a player to just flounder because of Kobe being his team mate.
    Also, what are you trying to say about him “struggling to be successful in the middle of his prime”? What? You mean he was suppose to do something other than win 45 games with a team with Smush Parker at the helm… man.. whatever.
    @LeBrOn 4 MvP: real talk, stfu.

  • Sérgio

    Ldub, Scottie Pippen wasn’t dominant?
    Nbk, of course Duncan never missed the playoffs. Look at his roster all those years. Meanwhile, look Kobe’s teammates from 04 to 07: Butler (2nd year), Odom (who never succeed as 2 option), Chuck Atkins, Brian Cook, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihn, Devean George, Brian Grant, Smush Parker, Sasha Vijavic, Aaron Mckie, Ronny Turiaf, Maurice Evans? Really, man? This is a TURRIBLE suporting cast. That KB could take them to the playoffs in a crowded Western Conference should be considered a miracle.
    By the way, Shaq was a champion with an inferior player that was, at the time, already a top 5 SG, if not top 3, and Jason Willians, Payton, Walker, Haslem, Mourning, Posey in a weak as hell Eastern Conference that only had one other good team (Detroit), and winning the Finals that was gift-wrapped to them by David Stern and the referees. So, yeah.

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    I agree. Maybe the semi final for them. Or quarter final

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Caron Butler was basically the same player as his rookie year while playing with Kobe Bryant. He was only slightly more efficient. Kobe doesn’t make guys better. Never has. Which is fine. If he made guys better, Butler would have improved not gone back to what he was as a rookie. Butler was the second best player on that Heat team that won 27 games, and the second best player on the Lakers who won 34. The difference in those whopping 7 wins? The best player on the Lakers was Kobe Bryant, not Eddie Jones like in Miami. Kobe is a brilliant brilliant individual talent. But he didn’t make guys better.

  • tpathi1

    I will always spit a lot of venom at kobe I can’t help..y’all gotta understand being from the chi and watching the best play and then seeing a guy in my high school years try and clone the greatests moves is quite irritating at best…the lakers made me stop watching the nbain a way they did exactly what the bulls did in the 90s they made the game kinda boring and predicatable..it was so obvious that they would win..exciting for a chicago kid but anyone wit nba knowledge and

  • tpathi1

    I will always spit a lot of venom at kobe I can’t help..y’all gotta understand being from the chi and watching the best play and then seeing a guy in my high school years try and clone the greatests moves is quite irritating at best…the lakers made me stop watching the nbain a way they did exactly what the bulls did in the 90s they made the game kinda boring and predicatable..it was so obvious that they would win..exciting for a chicago kid but if you weren’t from around here it was probably boring..and that’s exactly what the lakers were doing and Shaq was a ridiculous balll player…I honestly thought they would never lose for ten years..but then all of a sudden after they lose in the finals they dismantle the team?! That’s absurd so yah kobe and busse will and should always take the blame for that..its why I can’t even hear any comparisons wit mj and kobe cause mj would never get rid of shaq if he did…and then shaq on the heat let’s. Wade be the man and takes a pay cut..all evidence points to kobe making shaq leave

  • edeezy

    Shaq and MJ being on the same team would have been interesting to watch. One of the most demanding players ever (if not the most) with a guy who clearly took it easy at times both going for the #1 spot on the team.

  • edeezy

    I don’t get why people really go on about hating someone trying to emulate the moves of the best player the sport has seen. Isn’t this something that everyone does at some point?

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