Sunday, July 15th, 2012 at 1:57 pm  |  106 responses

Carmelo Anthony Says Jeremy Lin’s Contract is ‘Ridiculous’

We don’t officially know whether or not the Knicks will match the Rockets’ offer sheet for Jeremy Lin—though it certainly looks it won’t be happening—but we do now know what New York superstar Carmelo Anthony thinks of the contract, via Newsday‘s Rod Boone:

The Knicks have until Tuesday to match Houston’s offer before Lin becomes a Rocket.

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  • patrick

    Nice. Don’t match it!

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    If the Knicks match, I can just see Carmelo acting like a b*tch all year in the locker room while he tries to get CP3 to join in 2013.

  • Black Blake

    Probably a little out of context. I’m sure Melo didn’t mean to disrespect Lin. But Lin is making 25 mil over 3 years whereas Jason Kidd is making 9.8 mil. So that’s pretty crazy…

  • Afghjkh

    Trade melo suckkkkkerrrrr

  • Antonio




  • MeloMan15

    Is he wrong?

  • http://www.dimemag.com showtime

    Far a dude to name melo.. been made salty lately.. kinda knew linsanity & him , Amare just dont mix well.So he may get his wish on the iso plays now cause felton will just feed it to him and ignore amare as usual..lol..WERE BRooklyn @..

  • IndyB

    I don’t think one union member should publicly criticize another’s contract, even if it’s true. Post lockout, if that man is getting his money by having a couple of stupid owners overpay, let him get his money.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    He’s right that contract is ridiculous in regards to what Lin is worth. They gave the same contract to Omer Asik, Rockets are punks and will continue losing.

  • riggs

    he’s not wrong, the contract was made ridiculous on purpose so the knicks COULDNT match it.

  • Jer dawG

    F Melo. He’s a big bitch. Ridiculous is thinking you are top 5 in NBA and can’t caddy next to Durant, whom coach K is considering to start. Losing in 1st round and basically team chemistry obliterator. Amare is gonna be your best teammate to date and you want to shut him out like Kenyon Martin or Nene? Ridiculous is your ego.

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    i’m pretty sure lin actually agrees with melo here, still not that nice to sat that about a potential teamates contract.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Kareem Abdul Jabbar is going to get the kobe surgery on his knees so he can make a come back next season. Hopefully he joins the bobcats. He and Brendon Haywood could make a playoff run.

  • http://www.slamonline.com 19821982

    It’s bad politics for coworkers to discuss pay – but he ain’t lying. Even Lin knows this. He wouldn’t have signed the original offer sheet if he thought he was really worth more.

  • jumpman

    I hope the knicks don’t match the offer. Carmelo is never willing to be a team player. He needs to learn from Lebron and finally realize you need to work with your teammates to win championships.

  • Sue

    Ridiculous was the contract of Lin when he was putting better numbers and more victories than Melo? The offer of Houston is not ridiculous when you think in the impact of Lin in some big markets. He is gonna sell shirts, linmania.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Hossy

    Lin has been a classy guy his entire nba/college career, but going back to the rockets to re negotiate after woodson had publicly stated the knicks intention to match and dubbed him starter (talk about leverage) was a punk move. Losing in houston for the next 3 years will be karmic justice for both lin and darryl morey. what was the point of the lockout if you are going to pay omer asik 25 million?

  • IndyB

    This is why the union will never win in CBA disputes. All they have to do is quote dumb members of the union, which is most of them, when the league claims players are getting paid too much.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    Lin has generated hundreds of millions of dollars for the Knicks. In terms of money, this contract would be a steal for the team, period. In terms of Lin’s upside, this is also not at all a ridiculous contract. Either way, I have no idea why Melo would say this unless he wants Lin gone – which would say a lot about Melo.

  • http://www.slamonline.com 19821982

    Sue – Lin is a marketing phenomenon, not a basketball phenomenon. They won games after he was injured, and made the playoffs without him. Thanks for completely ignoring the last weeks of the season. Your argument only stands if they lost the rest of the season without him. Lin signing a $20 million deal with say, Nike, or Mercedes, or even McDonalds would be well deserved. A basketball contract? Depends on whether you think selling jerseys is more important than being able to keep your actual core players – you know, the ones who’ve actually been to the playoffs.

  • EJ

    He’s worth it based on market value, and 2:43 is not me btw.

  • http://www.slamonline.com 19821982

    @Dagger by most accounts, to retain Lin at that contract would mean roughly 40million plus with taxes in year three. So you’re saying that’s a legit amount? Jordan cost the Bulls 33 million in his highest salary year. Think about that.

  • jay

    That’s the first nice assist I’ve seen Melo give a teammate…
    Assist out the door, that is.
    Melo just killed Linsanity with his bare mouth.

  • O

    Even though Melo has a point, it does sound like he was hating and didn’t want Lin back. Again though, i’m reading that this is part of the Knicks master plan to make a run at CP3. How can they pull that off without any cap space? A sign-and-trade with LA??

  • JB

    Lin contract may be ridiculous, but melo shows he has no class. Im ashamed to be a Knick fan. Knicks will never win a ring cause he is not a team player. SMH

  • http://www.slamonline.com omphalos

    People, the Knicks are of the richest teams in the league. They have been for a a while. Having Lin with that contract wasn’t worth the lack of flexibility it came with. Marketing my arse.

  • LA Huey

    Hilarious. Bad contracts are a Knicks staple though.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Allan Houston is rolling over in his… grapevine.

  • jv

    think about this, 1982 and everyone else that can’t see past melo’s scoring abilities, jeremy lin made the knicks more money in two months than melo made them all year, and will probably do the same for the rockets this season…so I would say this relatively small contract is a bit of a compromise between what he’s worth marketing-wise vs. he will potentially bring basketball-skills-wise

  • http://Slamonline.com 1982

    @JV then Houston is the perfect place for Lin, not NYC. NYC is trying to win games, not popularity contests. In Houston Lin will his chance to shine, and the fan base will love him if he does. Why would NYC not signing him have any effect on this?

  • http://www.InternationalOutfit.com KingZ_777

    Y’all do realize that there are financial penalties for going over the cap, right? You go over the cap when you know it’s going to help you win. Not because gives an already popular, already marketable team in the biggest market in the country more exposure. That’s small town team stuff. The Knicks’ focus is on winning, even though they have no clue how to actually accomplish it. Not overpaying for Lin is a start tho.

  • Phil the thrill

    What’s ridiculous is melo making 80 million and the knicks have a 37% win percentage! Melo & amare can’t play together! Your new cheap point guard is 40 years old and supposed to be a mentor but crashes his car and gets a dui! You have no cap room! You lost ur starting backcourt! That’s all right, cry in ur pillow 2nite!

  • https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/vanharvey?__user=1789074922 vantot fresnedee

    am i the only one excited on a possible dwight-jlin combo?


    who cares bout the knicks anyways? the are not even gonna win as much games as the c’s or nets next season. probably not even the sixers either.

  • markymark

    why are they offering jeremy fckin lin 25M while iverson can’t even get a roster spot? BS.

  • jv

    @1982 you are right, ny not signing lin won’t have any negative effect on his fan base, however my point was that it is not a ridiculous contact (no more ridiculous than carmelo’s)…also lin is a better point guard than felton in my opinion (and worth more money, at least 15 million over 3 years more), knicks loss, rockets gain

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Rockets are basically gettin Lin instead of having a good shot at Howard. Jeremy Lin was not good enough to be on the Rockets roster less than a year ago. As a basketball player, he is not worth his contract. As a business move, it will probably be profitable. Depends how you look at contract value.

  • L Dribble

    Didn’t think I’d find as many Linatic Asylum patients here. Love the lame assist joke – hang on, didn’t Melo have his second best assist season of his career last season? Wasn’t he 7th out of all forwards in assists? Maybe watch some basketball instead of repeating lame ish said by Bleacher Report journalists. And to all the idiots saying that the Knicks would make ‘so much money’ from Lin – they are probably the same people blaming the Knicks for not making choices based on basketball – this contract would kill their roster. See you in Texas Lin.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    This is funny to me. I’ve always loved Melo’s game but his demeanor seems a bit bratty and selfish.

  • Donte

    Its a good move to let lin go … I don’t think mello meant ‘ridiculous’ the way its laid out for us to believe. ‘ sick’ , ‘ stupid’ both could substituted …but its hard to cover this up for melo

  • Surety

    What’s really ridiculous is Melo’s contract.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Dudes are serios lames man…You dont have nothing better to do but troll on the internet using another mans name. SMH

  • Mack

    @nbk Lin coulda made the Rockets if they didn’t already have Lowry and Dragic and Ish Smith under contract as point guard

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol but he didn’t. Now he’s getting paid more than all of them.

  • Heals

    Thank you Melo and props NY; it’s about time one of these teams just said no to matching another teams’ “ridiculous” offer…

  • Sue

    19821982 .
    Lin is not a phenomenon, it’s evident, not a top 20. But still is a good and exciting player. Review his numbers as a starter and the way the team played with him. The Knicks don’t need Kidd. Felton and Lin its a fantastic duo. The contract of Lin..5 mil first year and 5.5 the second. The 3 and last year is an overload expiring contract easy to move. To me the contract is very clever strategy.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    Melo is right… but he should’ve kept his mouth shut. Lin isn’t worth that contract esp. since felton is better suited for woodson’s system than Lin is (although they should both be in 7 seconds or less). and he’s def. not worth the rockets giving up the white howard in the post dog, pigeons on the roof like ghost dog but at least Lin will make the rockets rich as f*ck which will help them somehow.

  • Lin4President

    Melo will never win a championship. Book It!

  • RunNGun

    @cosign DATKID Yup, Melo should have kept his mouth shut; no player should have any say in another peer’s contract… EVER! @sue Yup… agreed. He’s a marketing phenom; he’d bring in more than what his contract is worth but I guess the 1.4 billion people and another 24 million people overseas aren’t worth a market.

  • chillout

    So the rockets are going to use the amnesty clause on Scola and sign Lin to a huge contract? Ok I am not a Lin hater by any means, but I don’t see the reason in losing Scola (a proven good player) at the expense of gaining Lin (who has played well over a pretty small sample size). Then again, maybe it’s Lin’s marketability they’re after and making money is their goal?

  • Valkyrie

    The Rockets and the knicks did the right thing with Lin. For all of you talking about marketing dollars, do you really think you’ve got a better idea of Lin’s impact on the Knicks’ bottom line than their accountants do? Don’t you think they know the cost vs profit off of Lin better than yall? If they let him go it’s because he simply isn’t worth the money.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danfields

    i know thats just business but that was a dirty move by houston and also a lil greedy by lin (what is there that he wouldntve been able to get in life with a 5, 5, 9 mio contract?). why didnt houston go for felton in the first place? wouldve gotten them a decent pg at a fair payroll. now they (might) get an overpaid but over average player and messed it all up for ny in regards of letting them continue their cindarella story. i jus hope tht the knicks whoop the rockets a***ses big time next season n that the rockets wont make the playoffs for many years to come.

  • IndyB

    It’s never greedy to take money offered from billionaires. Lin didn’t steal from anyone.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danfields

    and whats wrong with all the reta rds in here frontin on melo? he just said what anyone with a little sense of basketball and realistic view on money thinks. that contract IS ridiculous by any means

  • chillout

    I hope scola goes to a contender, or at least a team that gets national TV coverage lol.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danfields

    @IndyB: look at the relation and the situation. lin couldve been part of smth special in ny and being part of a team comming together having high hopes. plus there hasnt been any beef among players on this roster. as a knick fan i must say that i was suprised how many of these as selfish labeled players pulled themselves together all year long (except the dantoni story but i think i speak for any other die hard knicks fan that we are glad to have a defensive coach now, dantoni never was a fit for ny so thank you melo!). in other words, that last season in ny was special, all these ups and downs. and we (knicks) wouldve all loved to see where the journey of this pack would go. instead its just f**cked up, because if lin would be kept, either stat, the guy who brought ny back to life, or chandler, the heart and soul of the revamped knick defense, would have to be traded next season so that the franchise wont go bankrupt under the new cba.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    From the beginning its too much for a backup one hand bandit who cannot handle on ball pressure well. Felton is a better point guard than him and if Houston wants to pay Lin that overpriced money then they are dumb. They let Lowry go for nothing, but want to bring Lin in when they have Gragic who also a way better player than Lin. Lin could start for the Bobcats. Thanks Melo, I have been saying this for a while.

  • Ill Smith

    For all of y’all dubbing Melo a ‘hater’ he even stated before Houston revised the deal he was ready for Lin to come back. & from what Lin has said HIMSELF he & Carmelo have a good relationship. That said, he ain’t lying. That contract is fu*king ridiculous. NYK would’ve been in the luxury tax penalty based on the 1st contract but to turn around & restructure it after the fact was corny on Houston’s part. Now they’ll be stuck w/ him & that wack ass Asik deal. Sucks for Houston fans, thought you’d be bringing in Dwight now ya stuck with the dynamic Asik/Lin duo. You made it happen Morey!

  • RunNGun

    I don’t see why people get so hung up about any player taking millions. If someone threw $25M over a period of three years at you versus what you’re making now and would ever make in your lifetime, would you not take the $25M? It’s not about greed; it’s about opportunity. Let the Dolans and Alexanders of the NBA take that risk; be glad it’s not your money.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danfields

    he couldve also just taken the 19/20 mio to raise his teams chances n stay with the group that made him big

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Things that lower intelligence on Slam threads:
    1. Free Agents + Lakers or Bulls
    2. LeBron’s legacy
    3. Kobe’s legacy
    4. Westbrook’s shot selection/relationship with Durant
    5. Jeremy Lin anything
    6. Knicks/Lakers anything
    7. European draft choices
    8. Coaching decisions
    9. Dwightmare
    10. Blake Griffin anything

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    I really do think that the hype around this kid and the attention he received from casual fans during Linsanity created a backlash among more hardcore basketball fans. Per-36 min stats should always be taken with a grain of salt, but this kid was hitting 19/8 per-36 as a rookie, despite all the changes and upheaval surrounding his team. By comparison: Irving was at 22/6. Lin was top-3 in the entire league at generating free throws from iso situations. Oh, and when Melo and Amare with both out the Knicks were stomping teams with Lin at the helm. You can say all you want about them beating weak teams that didn’t have a chance to scout Lin: the Knicks shouldn’t have won anything at all during that stretch, and Lin was tossing up game-winners. The business of the game is one thing, but even just from a basketball standpoint Lin is worthy of a pretty big contract. Sure, the sample size was low last year, but this kid has real potential, and lots of players have received far bigger contracts while showing far less potential.

  • OTB

    You guys are missing the point. It’s not that Carmelo isn’t accurate with his assessment – he is. Offering a guy who had about 15 good games (with excessive turnovers when teams started to actually study game film) 15 million by the 3rd year of his contract is pretty ridiculous. However, Carmelo, who already has an image as being bratty, spoiled, and generally a selfish moron, isn’t helping his case by looking down on someone else’s contract when he’s made it out of the first round exactly once despite being paid an enormous amount of money. Oh, and he forced a trade, gutted a team, and still ended up being a first round loser. If the Knicks match Lin’s contract, Melo has to be the guy’s teammate next year. It was a stupid thing to say on his part…keep these types of thoughts private, especially when you’re the franchise player.

  • OTB

    Also, what Dagger said. The guy dropped 38 on the Lakers – he has my respect. Massive amount of potential in him, if he learns how to limit turnovers.

  • OTB

    Its also hilarious that Melo is criticizing the contract of others’ when he gets paid 18 million a year and about the only thing he can guarantee is a first round exit.

  • ReHeat

    Cosign Dagger. Lin can ball, it wasnt just the system, and @danfields he doesnt owe anything to his old knicks for ‘making him big’. Lin for 25 mil is peanuts. Who are you to critizice him for taking more money? The fact that you even do is crazy.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I’d put Lin near the middle of the road regarding starting point guards in the L.
    1. Paul
    2. Rose
    3. Deron
    4. Parker
    5. Rondo
    6. Westbrook
    7. Holiday
    8. Nash
    9. Curry
    10. Rubio
    11. Wall
    12. Lowry
    13. Irving
    14. Dragic
    15. Lawson
    16. Conley
    17. Jennings
    Then you -might- be able to put Lin here. Maybe. On a good day. And a good team. That said, kid could be a marketing machine, so it’s impossible to judge the appropriateness of his contract right now.

  • IndyB

    Dansfield you are a fan who needs a grip on reality. When was the last time someone asked you to take less money from your job? Do you really think your approval as a fan is worth turning down millions in financial security? You sit behind you little computer or smart phone or television watching games, and call someone greedy for making a decision that will better his life. Greed is the billionaire owners making hundreds of millions off of the images of people they don’t want to pay fair market value. Basketball is just a damn game. No one in their right mind should turn down any amount of money so some delusional ingrate fan can be happy his favorite team is deeper. This is his life. It’s entertainment for you.

  • http://slam flight9

    Shut up melo. Everybody knew you hate Lin. So, Knicks will probably sucks with you taking 25 shots and averaging 28ppg…. Amare will hate it and punch you or the fire extinguisher again……..

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    cosign caboose’s list… I’d put wall higher and switch lawson and irving but otherwise he’s right. Jeremy Lin isn’t a BAD pg.. he’s just not good or very good. and that contract, esp. for a guy who’s only decent is ridiculous. now from a marketing standpoint this is fine…but otherwise…

  • http://www.thesmashbrothas.com zen garden

    the knicks will suck regardless who run the point

  • Nick

    I would guess that Carmelo is criticizing the structure of the contract(highly abnormal/weird in that it’s stacked toward the third year for the explicit purpose of blowing up the Knicks finances under the new CBA) and not the amount(not at all unreasonable for a team with no pg and a dire need for marketable players)…so it might be a misunderstanding/ lack of context.

    If he is actually saying a former teammate’s contract is too much money…well…that would be pretty assholish. I think he’s more likely referring to Morey’s 15M poison pill though. Either way he should probably not be talking about it.

  • http://whut Ugh

    Surprised how many people are defending Lin by trashing Melo. The contract is ridiculous.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    We can’t judge how good Lin can or will be with the number of games he’s played in so far, but co-sign IndyB. Compared to other players though, his contract is a bit steep… Daryl Dork Elvis is a massive troll.

  • ChipS

    I don’t think he’s hating on Lin, I think it’s aimed toward the Rockets. The contract is ridiculous and I guess the truth hurts to some people. Many people around the league feel like Lin could’ve played at 85% in the playoffs, and pointed out that Wade and Stoudemire both played thru injuries as well as other players, but Lin sort of protected himself and that turned people off. Don’t know how i feel about that, but some writers openly admitted that if it was Melo who did it they would be all over him. Sh!t is just one big headache really. It’s funny when people want athletes say how they’re really feeling and when they do, they get offended although I don’t think Melo was taking shots at Lin here.

  • JoeMaMa

    This is a business. While the contract is heavily back loaded, the Knicks can afford to take a couple of years at $5 million while selling more jerseys than Kobe or Lebron. He won’t be worth the $15 million in his third year, but if he keeps progressing upon his existing body of work, he’d fetch 10-12, easy. So really, they’re slightly overpaying him for a third year of service. Everyone has forgotten that this kid put up BIG numbers, and he was still learning the finer points of running a team. The PG position is the toughest in the league, and he excelled when given his chance (Tyson should be pissed; Amare too). He’s young, smart, and dedicated, and he’s only going to get better – this much is true. Young players, when they work hard and get a chance, get better through experience and repetition. Ray Felton is…such a poor choice. He had a very good season in NY, playing for a coach that let him free. But that time is over. Woodson’s system is NOT D’Antoni’s system – it’s a half court grind. That reminds me of Nate McMillan’s system…you know, the one where Felton’s weaknesses were exposed. I mean, for all the talk of the Knicks big money, they’re going to let Lin walk? A young, exciting, improving, marketable, high character guy? This will hurt the Knicks. They need to come to their senses.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danfields

    @IndyB: come on, its not about 30k / yr job. that kid got offered 20mio bucks (thats more than 20 times the amount 90% of the world population and their families will ever make in their lifetimes, hard working people included) and “his camp wasnt happy about it”. wtf. this is not the “humble” guy the media tried to sell us. i just take tht thing like melo does n i think that he knows a bit more about bball and the nba business than you or i or anybody else in here does.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danfields

    n btw – i aint a lin hater. i just dont have to like anything smbdy does n in this case im jus shaking my head about him. if he stays fine, if he goes to houston now, wish him all the best

  • 21

    Skill-wise? Absurd is an understatement.
    Business-wise? Kid can sell tickets, apparel and just about anything with his name on it.

  • B.Plump

    10 millions for the two first years it’s a great deal for a guy that energized all the city (and the country), put excellent numbers (5 first games in a row, going for the incredible averages of 27 ppg, 8 apg, and 2.0 spg, all while shooting a stellar 52% from the field and using his innate aggression to get to the free throw line 8.4 times a night and… yes, a lot of turnovers), a guy we know is gonna work as hard as everybody and with his huge impact in the sales, merchandising and all this stuff that makes his contract ridiculous and cover. It’s simple. You take the guy two years, and the third, as expiring contract easy to move, you can trade him elsewhere if he result a bust. He deserves this opportunity.

  • Drig

    Seriously? Guys saying Lin deserves that kind of money???

  • Lin

    Knicks should match Lin’s contract and then trade Melo away.

  • RunNGun

    @danfields You have been misinformed. Lin is more than happy to return; he was upset that Grunwald didn’t come calling first with a new contract. And one more thing about the $15M on the third year of his contract… it’s all a business. GMs/franchises play a game of chess with each other seeking to take the opportunity to put their team ahead of the rest. If the Knicks match, well, they still get a solid player but cap space goes kaboom in the third year of the contract. If they don’t match, the Rockets get a solid back court starter with Dragic and Lowry gone.

  • Allenp

    $30 million is a lot.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    I literally thought this was a joke when I first read it. I would love to have seen the looks on Houston’s GM’s face when the Knicks balked on matching that contract. “They did what?”

  • pposse

    haha yes! i cannot wait for j linn to be the starting pg for the west in the all star game, on another note, carmello’s tweet just proves that NOBODY in the knicks organization is smart. Even when they make the smart move on moving Lin there is someone in that organization that has to open their mouth and have people talk negatively about them…a true disorganized franchise.

  • bigdoggchad

    @ OTB What point guard didn’t drop 30 on the Lakers last year? Melo isn’t talking bad about Lin think it’s more of a shot @ Houston. Like Lin but not @ that price.

  • startown

    Contract will be up for grabs in two or three years, he is a back-up

  • Hue-walex

    If let Lin go and hoping Kidd
    can help Melo and the team. I dont
    think the adjustment can help team
    as much as Lin did. Lin start new
    era of PG. To defence a team with
    such a PG is a headade of many coach.
    And Knicks should have Lin in order
    play the speed part of the game.
    And it wont easy to find a talent PG
    to maximize the score and driving
    whole team spirit in the court.
    It is petty much 15m in 3rd year to
    play Lin. But i am afraid if lost Lin,
    those millions already spent on the
    high salary players became a waste.
    Just remember how Knicks before
    Feb and imagine if that time Kidd
    join and help the team what do yo
    think it can be better than with Lin?
    How comes it is ridiculous.
    But Lin should listen Kidds given
    comment .

  • JoeMaMa

    He’s worth the money, easily. The NBA is a business, and whoever gets him sees higher ratings, more ticket sales, more merchandise sold. The Rockets had Yao – they know what an international sensation can do, money-wise. The $15 million is silly. He’s not a $15 million player; his skills aren’t there. But the sooner the basketball fans realize that this is a marketing thing, the less incredulous they’ll be.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Caboose: You’ve severely overrated Steph Curry, Ricky Rubio and Jrue Holiday. The latter two are not better players than Kyle Lowry and I doubt they’ll be better than Goran Dragic next season. Dragic put up 18 and 8 as a starter on 50+% shooting. What has Rubio done at ALL to warrant consideration as a top 10 point guard in the league?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Yeah… 10 and 8 on 35.7% shooting from the field with 3.2 turnovers a game as a rookie. With all due respect Caboose–what the hell?!
    This is Lin’s stat-line even with 10 games included as a bench warmer: 14.6 and 6.2 on 44.6% shooting with 3.6 turnovers a game, a playoff berth, and a better record. Forget Lowry and Dragic and Wall and Lawson and Irving(and basically everyone on that list past 10) and all the other point guards who are *clearly* better than Rubio. He hasn’t even proven convincingly that he’s a better player than Lin.
    It’s interesting that so many people are willing to peg Lin as a back-up PG after 25 great starts (not you specifically), but have Rubio being this good after 1 season. Your assessment of Lin thus far is fair, but just ridiculous for Rubio. You’re not the only one.

  • startown

    Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic are better than Rubio (extremely hard laugh)
    Did you see Rubio play? If MN offered Rubio as a trade he would demand 3 times what those two guys would command, and they would get it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    he’s considerably better than Lin. Rubio is one of the best defensive PG’s in the league. Lin is one of the worst. That’s the glaring difference.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Should say *was* – that ACL tear might be the bane of his career.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    nbk: Depends on how many we’re willing to include as being “one of the best.” Lin is a much better scorer and doesn’t shoot 35.7% from the field. 35.7%! I understand rookie guards aren’t always the most accurate from the field but that is really Bob Cousy-esque, and not in a good way. And I don’t care what you say, he is not the tenth best point guard in the league with that rookie year (promising though it was) and that injury (really hope he makes a full recovery).
    @ startown: Did you see Lowry and Dragic play? Lowry had an unarguably better year than Rubio and played at a borderline All-Star level. He is also a better defender, rebounder, and scorer. And again, Dragic averaged 18 and 8 in his 26 starts.

  • Bob McBob

    Melo is right, the contract is ridiculous and the Knicks can’t afford any more bad contracts. Melo and Amare are already overpaid.

    As for Lin, he punked out in the playoffs last year, while Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Dwayne Wade(the list goes on) all played with injuries. He wanted to protect himself and potential lucrative offers after the season. He got it. Good for him.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I never said he was a tip 10 PG. I said he’s considerably better than Lin. Because he is. His shooting % is almost a non-factor when you consider what he does for the whole teams offense.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I disagree. Did Lin not do things for the whole team’s offense? As a starter Lin averaged more assists than Rubio. Rubio has great court vision but Lin was carrying Steve Novak and Jared Jeffries and winning; Rubio at least had Kevin Love.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lin’s assist to turnover ratio (1.7) ranked 40th in the NBA as a starter. It’s not like he was a better passer than Rubio, he just had the ball a lot more/. And the whole defensive aspect can’t be ignored. Lin is so utterly terrible defensively. Like worse than Steve Nash terrible. He gave up 38 to Deron Williams in NY, and what 18-17-20 to Rajon Rondo. And against elite defenses or defensive players he looked ok at best. You can judge how good Lin is after his 25 games as a starter in Mike D’Antoni’s offense all you want. But that also means you are ignoring the rest of his career, his 15 points and 6 assists a game on 41% shooting with Carmelo Anthony. There is just no way to say Lin is better than Rubio with a foggy 25 game stretch as your evidence. Especially if you are ignoring defense and turnovers. Oh and the lack of being scouted and game planned for. We saw what happened when a team game planned for him.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    How much evidence is there of Rubio? Not being a starter for team Spain? Euroleague stats that actually aren’t that great? He’s good defensively and a better passer–not necessarily a better assist man–and that’s about it. Slightly less turnover prone but that’s not saying much, since they’re both turnover machines.
    I saw Miami shut him down successfully like they do every point guard. He had a handful of bad games, sure, but nothing like that Miami game. That’s basically the extent of this ominous “when a team game planned for him” nonsense. During that stretch of 10 games or so he was the ONLY focus for any of the defenses. You don’t think Dallas or LA game planned for him? Those are two great defensive teams at a time when Melo and Amare were injured, knowing Lin was the sole offense for the Knicks. I didn’t see “ok at best” then. He also outplayed Kyrie Irving and got W’s against John Wall and Ricky Rubio if you want to look at head-to-head match-ups.
    And suddenly 15 points and 6 assists on 41% shooting is “considerably worse” than 10 and 8 on an impossible-to-downplay-how-bad-it-is 35.7%? I’m not going to say Lin is *considerably* or even *certainly* better than Rubio, but saying Rubio is *considerably* better than Lin is just not true. If all we have is a “foggy” 25 game stretch in which Lin won more with far worse teammates while putting up way better offensive numbers, then how can you say that Rubio is better? (Much less 10th best PG in the league… which was my initial beef). I’m willing to wait and see… Maybe you should all do the same.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Rubio is a better facilitator ad Nash like in his passing, something Lin isn’t at all. You overlook factors, Lin was playing horrible teams down that stretch where he blossomed. Assists were easy, when better teams showed up his TO went up.

  • hotheat

    Carmelo Anthony contract is the most ridiculous…never pass the ball n always force to shoot

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I haven’t once defended Tubio being a top 10 pg cuz that’s false imo. I haven’t once defended any of his ability to score, Lin is vastly better at that aspect of basketball. But Rubio is certainly a better passer who had lesser teammates in terms of scoring, which is what assists come from. He had Kevin Love, that’s it. Beasley ain’t getting you assists in any easy way. Lin was surrounded by some of the best shooters in the league. and he was in the most assist friendly offense in the league. I don’t think anyone understands how pivotal D’Antoni’s offense was in Lin’s brief stint of success. He’s a good point guard, but he is not anything close to the player he resembled for that remarkable stretch, except defensively, in which he is. And defensively is what really separates him from Rubio. You can even say Lin is a better offensive player because of his scoring i don’t care, he’s a worse player overall because he’s that bad defensively.

  • daboy

    knicks should trade melo and chandler for dwight + another magic/pick and keep lin instead to solve melo not wanting lin as a teammate and the dwight drama.

  • IBelieve

    “Never underestimate the heart of a champion” If he’s gotten this far, what makes you think he’ll stop now!