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Wednesday, July 25th, 2012 at 9:40 am  |  250 responses

CJ Watson Says Deron Williams is the NBA’s Best Point Guard


CJ Watson is the newest Brooklyn Net, and he’s doing his best to fit in with Deron Williams and company. Watson claims that DWill is the L’s best point guard, this despite having recently played alongside Derrick Rose. From the NY Post: “C.J. Watson spent the past two seasons playing behind Derrick Rose in Chicago. But even after seeing the NBA’s 2011 MVP up close on a daily basis for the past two seasons, Watson said he thinks his new teammate, Deron Williams, is the league’s premier point guard. ‘I always thought Deron was the best point guard in the league,’ Watson said yesterday during his introductory press conference at the Nets’ practice facility. ‘When everyone asks me who is the toughest point guard, I always say him. Between him and D-Rose, it’s pick your poison.’”

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  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    I have been saying this for a long time, Deron is the best point guard in NBA. I wanted him for my Lakers over Chris Paul. BOOK IT!!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Not after last season’s showing. It’s CP then a motivated DWill.

  • BlackStar

    D Will is that dude … And he’s about to murk cats next season. So let it be written, so let it be done.

  • Jer dawG

    I’d say deron is right there. He’s plenty quick, very strong point guard, can shoot, plenty athletic, very versatile and good defensively. He’s right there. He’s a great combination for a point guard for sure. But I won’t say he’s #1. Chris Paul is unbelievable. He makes it work for only being 6 foot tall and 190ish lbs. what is deron Williams? 6’3″ 215lbs?

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    co-sign jtaylor on that last season was a down year for williams

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    It appears that CJ has politics in his future.

  • Nick

    i’d say that’s a sign of disrespect to drose. really watson?

  • ctk

    u can make a case for any of the top 4..Rose,Cp3,DWill,n Westbrook…but i think DWill is the most complete

  • John Galt

    He probably be the best PG if he plays defense. He got floored by Calderon last night.

  • jayrose

    Funny how when boozer went to the bulls he said rose was better and now watson is saying dwill is better. I say rose is better but now that he is healing CP3 is the top IMO.

  • http://www.nba.com Shadojoker

    Lmao..talk about hatred and disloyalty…Drose is gonna light his ass up on one leg…

  • Sérgio

    @ ctk: Westbrook is great, but he is not in the conversation for best pG in the league. Also, you absolutely NEED to include Rondo in any serious discussion.

  • AC Martin

    Rondo is the best PG

  • ctk

    @Sergio why not cuz he dont avg. enuff assist for u …Rondo is number 6 for me behind T.Parker ..U cant close a game with Rondo ..cant shoot fts..atleast 1/3 his dimes r off not gettin guarded

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Rondo’s 2012 Playoff run puts him in the Top-3.

  • Goblin113

    F*** U CJ!!! U just mad cause they let u walk after a terrible playoff performance last season. How r u gonna say that after playing behind DRose for 2 yrs and witnessing a MVP season by him? Disrespect, better pray DRose doesn’t light ur A** up when he comes back!!!

  • LA Huey

    Rondo is in my top 3. It’s ridiculous when you consider he can’t score outside of 8 feet.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah, top three right now are Paul, Deron and Rondo. Rose has to show what his game is like after that knee surgery.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    CP3 is the most overrated player in NBA history. No other player gets by more with the “look who he has to play with!” excuse. Don’t bother responding to me because I’m not getting into a day long argument…just want to get my opinion out there on the record.

  • Basketball_iQ

    Anybody who thinks dRose is the #1 “pg” is not watching basketball properly. Some of the same people think of westbrook in the same light. Just bc you’re athletic & can dunk all crazy doesn’t make you the best… Cp3 & dwill & rondo avg crazy numbers against those dudes. Cp3 & rondo care more about distributing & getting teammates off so rose or westbrook putting up 20+ mean nothing to me… What are your related doing? Rise has no team so all he does is shoot & westbrook has a team & he just shoots buy neither could get 20 assists in a game if their life depended on it.
    1. Cp3
    1b dwill
    2. Rondo
    Then everybody else…

  • LA Huey

    I feel like Russbrook is about to make a push this season for PG medal contention.

  • pposse

    Basketball IQ, rose has no team so all he does is shoot – well wit that logic he shot us into first place the last two years, which is more of an accomplishment than anyone on your list of pg’s have EVER done! CJ you just made your death bed…i cannot wait until we play the nets with a healthy d rose. Sorry in advance BK

  • pposse

    the best pg’s right now since d rose is shelved is the following:
    1.Rondo
    2.Westbrook
    4.Parker
    3.Deron
    4.Paul

    Deron and Paul need to prove something before they are labeled the best damn pg’s. The guys ahead of them did damage in the season that counts..the playoffs. Paul underneath Deron bc he lost the individual battle between Parker so badly last playoffs its not even funny

  • http://www.stillonthebench.blogspot.com TR

    The PG position is so deep right now you could make an argument for about 4-5 guys. I think its between DWill and CP3 because they give you that mix of scoring and pure pg skills, Rondo’s up there and so is Tony Parker if you ask me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    John Wall is rolling around in his grave.

  • LA Huey

    It won’t matter how mad Rose is so long as CJ is behind Deron on the depth chart.

  • Riggs

    WHOA Rondo getting some props on slam? Am i in a parallel universe?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Chris Paul averaged a shade under 19.6 points, 9 assists, and 2.5 steals on 48 percent from the field on a playoff team.
    I’m not sure how he’s overrated. Look at his numbers, look at his team’s wins, look at his potential.
    It’s cool if you like Rose better, but nothing on Chris Paul’s resume says overrated, except for maybe the idea that he has “carried” inferior teams really far. He hasn’t carried them that far.
    But his play and his numbers have been stellar his entire career.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    PPosse
    So, your argument is that if a player’s team has more success in the playoffs, that alone proves he’s a better player.
    That’s asinine.
    But carry on.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    By pposse’s logic, LeBron is finally Darko Milicic’s equal because he won a ring.

  • pposse

    AllenP, your arguments are based off of stats for the most part correct? I place a higher (much higher than most here) weight on WINS and team success, stats are a distant third criteria. Hence Rondo, Parker, and Westbrook receiving higher ratings. And ofcourse D Rose (when healthy) would be at the top of the list because he falls in line more so than any other player with my criteria.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    DRose would be at the top of the list because he’s been to the conference Finals once?
    Which is also true for Deron?
    My arguments are based on stats, team performance and personal observation. I just use stats because personal observation is personal. We can watch the same game and not see the same things, or not value the same things.
    But, any fan who thinks Westbrook is better than Deron or Paul at playing Point Guard isn’t a serious basketball mind. If you said he was better at playing two-guard, you’d be right. His numbers are the numbers of an elite two-guard, not an elite point guard.
    And based on personal observation, only two players possess the complete package of defense, scoring and passing ability. Paul and Deron. Everyone else has a distinct flaw in one or more areas. That’s why those two are the best.

  • pposse

    Lebrons teams were always successful, and he always won 60+ games..by my logic he is the best player in the league. His stats are ridiculous too, but still third most important factor. Just because he won a ring only this year doesnt take away from his wins and team success. Is it not a success to make it to the eastern conf. finals (5 times) and nba finals 3 times now? I am not skip bayless – team success and wins does not boil down to just winning the big one.

  • pposse

    okay so Westbrook can’t pass as great as Deron or Paul. However is scoring is a leap ahead of them and he is no slouch defensively (probably better than both of them on the defensive end). Every time cp3 gets mentioned its like u guys are talkin about 08 CP3. This is four years later! Freshmen have graduated from college and h.s by now. He is the same guy, but his game dropped a little bit. Westbrook is coming. D Rose is here (hopefully comes back to form). My personal observations tell me that d rose can score better than these guys, can be an excellent passer, and his defense is greatly underated. D Rose has all the tools to be a lockdown one on one defender, but he plays defense within the system. Thibs doesnt care for lockdown pg defenders..he wants d rose to dictate where the pg moves the ball. CP3 is 0-6 against d rose (cmon cp u cant win one off of d rose?) – dont know what deron’s is, but it can’t be better than .500

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I didn’t mention Rose at all Allen. Not a word. I just think CP3 is criminally overrated. 19 & 9 is about the average for the top point gaurds in the league today. Since you brought him up, Rose averaged 22 & 8. Deron averaged 21 & 9. The guy got swept out of the playoffs this year and gets off the hook scott free. He stepped up to the plate and averaged a MONSTER 12 points per game…against Tony Parker’s stellar D. He’s a good player, but nobody in the league gets more of a pass than CP3. For years the excuse was he was on a bad team. This year he was on a team with Blake, Butler, Young, and Jordan and couldn’t get a single win in the second round? For all the great game manager praise he gets, he wasn’t able to get Deandre Jordan invloved at all. He didn’t appear to improve Blake’s game. Like I said, the guy is living off of what he did more than 4 years ago. Overrated.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    The PG debate is a difficult one. When D. Rose (healthy), Parker, Rondo, D. Will, CP3 are at their best, they are pretty much interchangeable. I like pposse’s list though. With D. Rose out of the picture Rondo is a clear #1 then Parker (2A), CP3 (2B) and DWill (C3). CP3 and DWill have to come up big in the playoffs to be considered at the top, though I like the work DWill put in in Utah. Westbrook’s bball IQ is not high enough to be mentioned in this crowd.

  • Wanlee

    How about Rondo. He rebounds the ball very well. Very unselfish player on the court. He can put up 15 pts 15 rebs 15 assts in a single game.

  • Basketball_iQ

    Cp3 is chiming off a groin injury in that sas vs clip series. Cp3 was voted the best one-on-one player when you need a bucket by the gm’s. 2ndly, coach k 2 olympics in a row has cp3 ahead if dwill, all of which contribute to my list. & I wanna put rondo ahead of dwill bad bc of his unselfishness

  • pposse

    ill admit im being biased against deron cause i haven’t seen him hoop in two years! and no thanks to him either, its not like he got the nets in the playoffs or even somewhat relevant. Hell, i dont even remember watching a bulls nets game and i try to watch all the Bulls games.

  • Wanlee

    Rondo and paul are pass first pgs while westbrook
    And rose are scoring point guards. I prefer a pass first pg.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Deron is by far number one as point guard in the NBA. To me the rest are a tie because of their skill set. CP is overrated this is not 08 anymore yall, CP is injury prone and gets killed by great guards all day. Check top pg’s record against him. CP kills scrubs. Rondo-CP-Parker-Westbrook are all a tie in their different skill sets. Different teams need different guard play. Deron is the most COMPLETE POINT GUARD, Rondo is the best PASSING GUARD/DEFENSE, Parker is the best MID-RANGE-FLOATER,CLUTCH guard and Westbrook is the best SLASHER/SCORING PG. Rose is hurt so he is not on my radar.

  • bike

    Discussions of top PGs should include ball handling ability which there are no stats for. Name a PG who has a better handle than CP.

  • ThaWindy

    Y’all need to stop. We all know that the greats are also measured by rings. If mike didn’t have six his legacy would be tarnished. It’s what he did on the biggest stage that made him great. DWill has proven that he doesnt have it in him to carry a team deep into the playoffs. Paul and Rondo get it done. You have to get there and DWill ain’t gone get ever there. And if he does he’ll blame his poor performance on his ankle or wrist. CJ Watson will see a big difference in work ethic between Will and Rose. And if Rose was healthy DWill doesn’t make the Olympic team.
    1. Rose
    2. Rondo
    3. Paul

  • Basketball_iQ

    If westbrook learns his biggest weapon is his mind, he can be top 3, maybe.
    & cp3 doesn’t need to come up big in the playoffs to prove jack, bc outside of him, blake was the next best player. Cp3 was the mvp of the league to me last season bc that clip team without him doesn’t make the playoffs & are in the lottery. Lebron’s team without would’ve been the #3 or 4 seed without him easily. Hof’er coach k has had him starting since ’06, he’s not fina measure well in any athletic measurements, he’s all will power & skills. Fk it, rondo is #2 to me now bc dwill does have it all as far as skill set & athletic measurements but he couldn’t get the nets in the playoffs,,, & before you start, cp3 ain’t have a cast in new orleans & was there every year.
    1 cp3
    2 rondo
    3 dwill
    4 nash
    5 rose
    6 parker
    7 westbrook
    Nash is 4 to me bc he’s the last pg to

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    I think your complaints about how he played against Parker have validity. I also think that he had a groin injury and his coach was Vinny Del Negro.
    I actually thought Paul did improve the Clippers as team when he wasn’t bound by Del Negro’s ridiculous offense which required multiple isolation posts up for a player who doesn’t have a post game!
    Deron averaged 21 and 8.7 on 40 percent from the floor with four turnovers. Rose averaged 22.3 and 7.8 on 43 percent from the floor with 3 turnovers.
    Personally, I had Rose, Paul and Deron on the top tier before Rose’s injury, with Rose third out of the three because of their advantages as floor leaders and defenders. But, due to the knee injury, I don’t think I can just say that until I see how his game adapts.
    I’m not sure how Paul is living off his past. Look at his numbers. They are exactly the same as when he averaged 22 and 12 if you account for the difference in usage and shot attempts. His efficiency is amazing, which I see as an important stat for a point guard. He can still score when needed and he gets elite level assists. Plus he’s a great defender and ball thief.
    I’m not sure how he’s living off reputation. If you criticize him for not taking over games as a scorer enough, I could say “That makes sense.” If you criticized him for shooting too many jumpers, I could say that makes sense. But saying he’s getting a pass based on his past play doesn’t make sense when his numbers, skill set and team success CLEARLY label his as an elite point guard.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    PPosse
    How is Westbrook’s scoring a leap ahead of those two? He shoots more. That’s about it. He’s more athletic, he could potentially be more explosive as a scorer, but right now he just shoots more. And when you have the best scorer in the league as your running mate, you don’t need to score more to be a great point guard. You need to do the other things.
    Basketball IQ
    You have Steve Nash as number four. Clearly you place absolutely zero value on defense.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bike
    Deron Williams has an equal handle to CP3. And if you consider breakdown ability, then Deron might have a better handle. I think Deron has the best handle in the League to be honest.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    CP shot better from the field than Rose/DWill
    CP shot better from the 3 than Rose/DWill
    CP shot better from the FT line than Rose/DWill
    CP grabbed more rebounds than Rose/DWill despite being 3 inches shorter
    CP avg. 1 less TO than Rose and 2 less TOs than DWill
    CP avg. 1.5 more steals than Rose and 1.3 more steals than DWill
    CP’s PER was significantly higher than Rose/DWill
    CP avg. 1 less PPG than DWill and 2 less PPG than Rose despite taking 3 less shots.
    If that makes CP “vastly overrated”, what does that make Rose/DWill?

  • ThaWindy

        FG. 3PT. RB. Ast. TO. Pts
     Rose  48.3  29.4  4.2  5.8  2.8  23.3
     Williams  49.4  26.3  2.7  10.3  3.7  16.7

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    People always give CP3 excuses that other PG’s don’t get….He injured his groin against the grizzlies right? He played pretty damn well against them, the spurs just shut his a** down and they’re not even a good defensive team anymore. CJ was throwing parting shots at the bulls IMO.

  • pposse

    i think what people mean about him living off the past revolves around team success. He was second in 08 in MVP voting i believe and they got to the eastern conference finals i believe. Since then, his teams haven’t done anything. I just don’t see CP3 have any competitive advantage over any of the other elite pg’s. He is shorter than all of them, for that reason alone i would take any one of these other pg’s over him in a head to head battle.

  • REAL HOOPS IQ

    Anyone who thinks Rondo is the best knows nothing. Wait until they take the “big 3″ away from him and see what he’s really about. He can’t hit a jumper! And “Basketball_IQ” – for someone who claims to know hoops your selection of Nash ahead of Rose is humorous.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Co sign allen on deron’s ball handling. It’s a beauty to watch how he disassembles a defender and gets to his step back like he’s spot shooting. His balance of the dribble is amazing, i think that he has a slightly better ballhandling than cp3.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He injured his leg in game six or seven. It appeared to be bothering him, but the Spurs played great team defense overall.
    Man, the Clippers offense didn’t run nearly enough pick and rolls, Blake for all this talents, can’t score that well in isolation, and the Clippers play suspect team defense.
    Paul improved them, but he had better coaches in New Orleans in Monty Williams and Byron Scott.

  • pposse

    my observations have put westbrook that high! everyone critisizes westbrook for the same stuff, myself included, but i can’t argue with results. I KNOW the Thunder made it to the finals last year (successful season, especially since they never made it there during KD and Westbrooks tenure). I can’t definatively say that if you replaced Russ with Deron or CP3 or anybody else they would have gone to the finals because that didnt happen nor will it happen. Plus westbrook plays hard all the time.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    IF you had to build a team around a point guard in the NBA, CP3, Parker and Rondo would not be your first choice. It would be Deron, Rose or Westbrook. I take Westbrook over CP3 and Parker and Rondo for my team to start.
    ____________________________________________________________________
    Deron is by far number one as point guard in the NBA. To me the rest are a tie because of their skill set. CP is overrated this is not 08 anymore yall, CP is injury prone and gets killed by great guards all day. Check top pg’s record against him. CP kills scrubs. Rondo-CP-Parker-Westbrook are all a tie in their different skill sets. Different teams need different guard play. Deron is the most COMPLETE POINT GUARD, Rondo is the best PASSING GUARD/DEFENSE, Parker is the best MID-RANGE-FLOATER,CLUTCH guard and Westbrook is the best SLASHER/SCORING PG. Rose is hurt so he is not on my radar.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Trust me, given my preference for Deron it is difficult for me to defend Paul, but I give credit where credit is due regardless of personal feelings.

  • 23

    i think its funny how people act like rose never had a good squad behind him. deron williams made boozer an allstar. rose is just not the type of player to make others around him better. he can get people open shots due to the attention he gets on offense. but imagine nash on the bulls, hed make noah a 18 ppg scorer. PLUS everyone fails to remember that chicago maintained the #1 seed in the east the past 2 seasons, with an often injured Rose. just my 2 cents.

  • Basketball_iQ

    cp3′s effieciency in clutch “need a basket” moments is killing dwill
    Handles better? Far fetched… u don’t think theyve battled for the starting spot on this squad? Our argument is over since cp3 has been starting since 06, (they both watched jkidd for a while in 08 until they faced rubio)
    So I look no further for evidence than these olympics

  • VTheGr8

    Being a fan of Chicago, I know he may feel a certain way towards the organization now, but that is some BS, one of those statements he should have never said…I bet he screws up their postseason the way he did ours by picking up his dribble and chucking shots that he isnt supposed to.

    Watson can be a decent backup, and a Lou Williams type of player if he was to focus on the game instead of making stupid statements like these.

    What im just pissed about is the Bulls letting the bench mob go away to potential contenders.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    ^^^Parker is more clutch than all of these point guards. Yall Must Of Forgot!!!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How far have DWill and Rose gotten their teams? Have any of them led their teams to the Finals?
    DWill’s team was one of the worst in the NBA.
    The last time we saw a 100% healthy Rose in the playoffs, he shot 39% from the field.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you feel that CP’s overrated, that’s on you but let’s not act like his PG contemporaries are leading their teams deep into the playoffs while CP struggles getting out of the 1st round.

  • LA Huey

    I’ll take Deron over CP3. Durability is the CP3′s greatest weakness.

  • Shanwill

    What a Joke! Out of all the the Top PGs, Deron is last! Dude has done nothing since March Madness 2005!!!!Rondo & Westbrook has done way more than him. Now let’s talk about CJ Waston…… What has he done for u lately??? I’ll wait

  • pposse

    2011 eastern conference finals is not a deep run at all. MVP’s mean nothing anymore too.

  • Shanwill

    Can I add this…. Dont nun of these PGs want to see Derrick Rose… Ask CP3 29pts 17ast… Derrick Rose be destroying these dudes in the Head-to-head Match-ups

  • Basketball_iQ

    I swear, fancy dunks & ppg get you at the top around here.. So I guess klove is the best pf of all time2 right?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Chris Paul was hurt going into the San Antonio series. – He was hurt during the Memphis series. For the record.
    .
    The Clippers went from one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best teams in the league with the addition of Chris Paul (and others).
    .
    The Hornets went from a playoff team to the worst team in the league by trading Chris Paul.
    .
    That by itself is proof of how valuable he is.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    No basketball Iq, dominating other PG’s get you top around here buddy.

  • 23

    @pposse how did rose perform in those ecf’s???? he got his points, but i remember his fg percentage being AWFUL! so rose has never even played a good conference finals. and that mvp was mainly because his team got the #1 seed. but as we saw this past season, the #1 seed was not like when lebron dragged his teams in cleveland. because the bulls were without rose a good majority in a shortened season and still maintained that top spot.

  • Shanwill

    Isn’t it Ironic how Rondo, Rose, Parker, Westbrook, and Williams all went to the Conference Finals but Chris Paul never did(prolly wont if he stay with the Clippers) and is the best Point Guard…. Something isn’t adding up

  • pposse

    cp3 being so injury prone is just one of the reasons why he shouldn’t be at the top or near the top of the best pg list

    The clippers still had blake griffin (All star team his first year 20 10 ball player and Team USA selection)

    Hornets werent the worst team in the league in 2012 (they were 4th worse)

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    When I say CP3 is living off his reputation, I mean he’s living off the reputation he established as the stone cold killer who willed his team to victories in the 2008 playoffs. That guy is long gone. Both his points per game and assists per game have steadily gone down since 08-09. He may still put up good regular season numbers, and shine in an occasional playoff game, but he hasn’t been nearly consistent enough for me to label him the best point guard in the game. Which by the way I do agree is Deron Williams. CP underperformed against the Spurs this year. People gave him credit for his series against the Lakers, where he did play great, but then he puts up 10 points in the elimination game. The guys on a much better team this year but actually averages almost an entire assist less? There’s just way too many inconsistencies for me to believe in him.
    @jtaylor – I don’t care if he shoots 100% from the floor if he’s not stepping up and taking the shots when his team needs him most. His play now is not in line with the rep he earned in 2008.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    nbk Posted: May.16 at 11:50 am
    Y’all see why I had Spurs in 4?
    .
    nbk Posted: May.16 at 12:24 pm
    CP’s groin injury is why I didn’t give them the Chris Paul 1 game benefit
    .
    .
    nbk Posted: May.21 at 5:22 pm
    CP3 is hurt, he’s been hurt. Gotta a pulled groin. I don’t know why that isn’t being highlighted more…

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Hornets also lost David West. And the Clippers also gained Nick Young, Chauncey, and Butler. You add those 3 or 4 to any team and the team will get better. The fact that there was almost no improvement out of Deandre Jordan is more telling to me than overall team success.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @23 use your brain and not BS opinions you get from others….He won the MVP because His team missed two of its top three players at the time for 57 games and they were still able to achieve the top record and he was the dominant offensive force for them.

  • pposse

    23 what happened without rose in the playoffs? This game is not all about skills and talent, 90% mental as well. Bulls played good KNOWING d rose would come back..when his season ended so did the bulls season end. Your tryin to tell me that is coincidence?

  • Drig

    @ppose…….come on now, that was the post-decision backlash. Like a mini Kobe ’06 Steve Nash MVP…..Anyways, Deron is the 2nd best PG in the L. A close second to CP3. His crossover, his ability to score off the dribble and balance on the dribble, his court vision, his ability to defend PGs and at times, SGs and using his body is simply too much for any PG to come close to. IMO, once Deron gets back to his Utah ’08/ ’09 days, he’ll be considered the top PG again. Good time for a Deron fan :)

  • pposse

    and LBJ (the best player in the league, and only player in the league that can stop rose) happened in the ECF! Just because the Heat beat us, does not mean that we would have lost to Dallas that year. Dallas would have gotten spanked if they played the bulls. Just like how the heat had the one guy in the league that can slow down d rose, we had potentially the one guy in the league that could stop Dirk in 2011, and that guy being Joakim Noah

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    but who was the best PG EVER? arguably Magic Johnson because he could do almost everything…even he said rondo was the best in the L… so you can make a case for rondo being up as one of the best, those tripple dubs dont lie. im not saying that rondo will be the best point gaurd in history or anything like that but CP3 only has 1 or 2 10+ rebound games and Dwill is strong and a good defender but so is rondo

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @pposse, you are right. Bulls would have beaten Dallas in the NBA Finals
    @VanCityBBall, Zeke is the greatest point guard ever. Magic is not a pg at 6’9, he is a converted Small Forward who lost 3 or 4 NBA Finals as a point guard and arguably played with the greatest lineups in NBA History like Bird did.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel, DeAndre Jordan? wow. That’s wonderful, let’s judge Chris Paul’s effect on the Clippers by Jordan (who literally has not made a basket outside the key in maybe his whole career) and his 20 minutes a night. Why don’t you look at the Clippers late game offense? Or overall efficiency? Especially with Paul on the court vs not. Chris Paul is overwhelmingly the best PG in the NBA by every single statistical measure. The only argument for anyone other than Paul is opinion based. And frankly, we all know how people here are about their opinions.
    .
    And I mentioned the Clippers added more than just Paul (Of which they only added because of Chris Paul, who the players in the league recognize as the best or one of the top 3 PG’s) – Also, if new Orleans kept David West it wouldn’t have changed a damn thing. Wtf did he do this year without Paul? 11PPG and 6RPG? Is that right?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Diesel, I agree with you on CP’s lack of aggressiveness.
    On the other hand, how can you say that CP is living off his ’08 performance then turn around and label DWill the best PG? Just what exactly has DWill accomplished in the playoffs since leading the Jazz to the 07 WCF? In 67 games played with the Nets, they are 25-42 with DWill in the lineup. How do you explain that?

  • ALD

    cp3 is more of a floor general and dwill is more of a hybrid. I will take Dwill becuase of that. He can do everything besides steal like cp3 but i think dwill’s on ball defense is better. This upcoming season will highlight this debate because both of them are on good teams now and have no excuse of not performing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Taylor, i understand your argument, but for the sake of proving you know what your talking about don’t ask dumb questions. You know why Williams wasn’t winning in New Jersey.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The Clips beat everyone’s sleeper pick out West in the 1st Round and made to the 2nd round during CP’s first season after sucking for so many years. That’s was with one of the worst offensive HC in the NBA, a PF and C that can’t make a basket outside of 10 feet, and their starting 2 guard (who shouldn’t be a 2) missing a chunk of the season.
    That’s all you need to know about the kind of impact CP has on a team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ThaWindy
    Deron’s been farther in the playoffs than Chris Paul.
    I guess you didn’t know that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And everyone who keeps saying Chris Paul isn’t good in the clutch? What the f*ck are you, high?
    .
    Let’s just look at Chris Paul v Kevin Durant (whose MVP argument this season hinged on people talking about his late game performance)
    .
    Kevin Durant in the clutch (last 5 minutes, with a 5 point margin): Per 36 minutes – 34Points, 0.5Assists, 39% shooting.
    .
    Chris Paul in the clutch (last 5 minutes, with a 5 point margin): Per 36 minutes – 30Points, 6.4Assists, 42% shooting.
    .
    Oh and this season was FAR AND AWAY the worst Chris Paul (and his team) has been in clutch situations. — Thank you Vinny Del Negro.

  • ALD

    FYI TO ignorant ppl ….. THE nets players were full of dleague talent, role players and injured players. Cp3 is great but he would have had no impact

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk, I don’t care if DWill was playing ’73 Sixers. As the supposed best PG, your team has to have at least a .500 record (or close to) with you on the floor.
    DWill is a Top-7 player when motivated, so it’s not like I’m selling him short but he can not be the best PG after last season’s debacle with the Nets.

  • pposse

    is cp the first ever starting pg on an olympic squad to play with another team USA ball player to get swept out of the playoffs? And stop bringing up this notion he was injured, he is always injured!! live with it, thats the guy you guys are backing. His injuries won’t magically go away.

  • ALD

    was dwill’s impact on boozer,brewer, etc not worth of noticing. Those dudes are straight bums now…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i see. i mean, idk if anyone could get that team with those injuries to .500, but i understand what your trying to illustrate. And i don’t at all believe Williams is the best PG in the league anymore. He could be again, but he certainly hasn’t been for the last year and a half. (since he broke his wrists)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t agree with that record argument, but that’s cool.
    People really don’t appreciate how bad of a coach Del Negro is.
    Why are they posting up Blake Griffin? That alone was one of the worst coaching decisions in the League.

  • http://www.hoopsworld.com IamYOU

    If were talking about POINT guard It should be CP3 or Dwill or Rondo! No disrespect to d.rose but he’s not a pure point guard, so my top 5 is CP3,D.will,Rondo,Parker,Steve Nash. As a Scoring guard D.rose will be number 1 but if were talking about POINT it’s either CP3 or Deron.

  • Baller4life

    First, c.j says “oh,Rose is the best PG in the league,”,but i guess now he’s with another team, whoever is the point guard, is the best.I know for a fact that what he is saying is not true because if he was still a Bull and they asked him that question, he would say Rose with no hesistation. And if Rose isnt the best PG,Deron still wouldnt be it because there’s Russell, Rondo,John Wall,Chris Paul,so for him to say that is just reckless to me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Personally, I have Paul over Deron because of Deron’s performance in New Jersey this past year.
    Not because the team was garbage, but because Deron’s body language and leadership were abysmal. His attitude was not that attitude of a leader at all. I understand he was frustrated, but it was too much.
    So, while I think skillset wise he and Paul are about even with each player having an advantage in a different area, as far as being a leader, Paul is clearly superior.
    I think when you go down the checklist of what a point guard should bring to the table, Paul and Deron are clearly better than everyone, and the only cats who are close are Rondo, Rose and Parker.

  • pposse

    chris paul is the ‘bubble boy best pg in the league’

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Let’s just turn a blind eye to team performance for a second and look at individual performance. DWill shot 40% from the field and had more turnovers than JWall (let that sink in for a second). I would give him a pass if he held up his own end but his team sucked and his individual play wasn’t that much better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    pposse – really? the olympics are once every 4 years, there has been 6 Olympic teams with NBA players on it ever. And only 2 of those teams have featured teammates (92 had 2 sets of teammates – 96 Stockton & Malone). Plus, technically, Blake Griffin is not on the Olympic Team.
    .
    Wanna go over great players with great teammates who have been swept? Wanna start telling everyone here how overrated Kobe Bryant, & Magic Johnson are for getting swept? Go to sleep.

  • ALD

    i would say its a tie between dwill and cp3. They both do what their teams asks and you cant go wrong with either. WE will get our answer this season hopefully.

  • ALD

    @allenp i cp3 would have had the same if he had stayed in N.O

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Don’t worry guys, it’s simple, I got you:
    1. CP3
    2. D-Will
    3. Rondo
    4. Russ West
    5. Tony Parker
    6. Steve Nash
    When healthy I have Rose as #2, or 3.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well Dwill shot 40 percent cast as the man scorer and distributor on a team that had a dearth of talent.
    It’s incredibly difficult to be the only credible offensive option on a team AND be the player tasked with getting other subpar players shots.
    Who was the second best scorer on that Nets team? Humphries, Morrow?
    Paul always had David west, a guy who can score on his own and who spaces the floor. Rose had a collection of NBA level talent even if he didn’t have another superstar.
    So, to me, the shooting percentage was a byproduct of the team and the fact taht Deron took some horrible shots at times.

  • pposse

    touchy touchy..its a fact CP3 got swept NBK and another pill u gotta swallow is your boy CP3 will always be injured in the playoffs so stop with the rhetoric “this man was hurt – pulled groin” bla bla And when did Kobe get swept out of the playoffs? Last year, thats right he did get swept. He too should be ashamed of himself for that haha. And Kobe being overrated is pretty much always a topic for discussion. If i am correct you believe he is outside of the top 10 all time, while most fans have him in their top 5. Is that not ‘overrating’ someone? When is the last time a team with two starting all stars (both deserving) got swept out of the playoffs? Look that up, that might be easier for you to understand.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    And Bron nbk. He got swept too. Most player experience a playoff sweep at least once.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    ALD sounds foolish, how are Boozer etc…bums now. explain?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    – I know Lakeshow, I was just trying to name a the best guys with the most elite teammates who have been swept.

  • ALD

    lol @slick ric boozer is a good player but i think he was better when he played with dwill. Boozer look like a top 10 pf. Half of boozers contract should be to dwill.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Deron williams is the best PG right now…………while Rose is recovering.

  • ALD

    cosign @allenp Dwill had to shoot alot because no one else was consisten. Brooks and hump were the other two that can handle but they were very inconsistent

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    So now He’s good but you said he was a bum….Boozer has the same problem that Utah jazz fans claimed he had with them and that was lack of production in the playoffs but playing for Chicago instead of utah, that glaring flaw is exposed more. Otherwise he’s been good during the season and Korver has definitely been good, ronnie has been the only one who’s seen regression but that was even before he got on the bulls…He was traded from the jazz for a reason.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    pposse are you saying you aren’t literate? cuz i posted what a half hour ago? a comment from me, in may, predicting the Clippers would get swept. — Oh and the 1999 Los Angeles Lakers were Swept by the Spurs with both Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal being All Star Starters the year before and after (there was no all-star game that year, as they would have been starters then to)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shaq and Penny got swept out of the playoffs in back to back years and they not only had two all-stars but they had two ALL-NBA players.
    Detroit with isiah and Joe dumars got swept.
    Lakers with Kareem and Magic.
    Kobe and Shaq got swept several times. If Kobe wasn’t an all-star at that point, either Eddie Jones or Nick Van Exel were.
    Getting swept happens to a lot of cats.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    getting swept happens. it doesn’t prove anything either way. if it did, we wouldn’t talk about Magic (or should i say “tragic”) Johnson and how great he was throughout his career. Or Kobe Bryant and how great he is (and no, the majority of people do not have Kobe in the top 5, he is only overrated by Kobe fans – which shouldn’t be surprising).

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    To everyone relying on CP’s shooting percentages to crown him the greatest point guard in the game, do you also think that Steve Nash is right up there? Two seasons ago, CP and Nash put up almost identical numbers. Nash’s were actually better. Nash is one of the best shooters, efficiency wise, in the history of the NBA. He’s also a better passer than CP. The only thing he does worse is defend. Yet some of the same people trying to pump CP on this thread are the ones always trying to knock Nash. So which one is it, are Nash and CP both tied for best point in the game right now or is Nash just good, and CP may be a little overrated.

  • pposse

    Kobe finds solace in the fact that atleast the Mavericks went down as the champs that year. CP3 cant say that. Either way, if that doesn’t sway peoples opinions about Kobe a little bit (getting swept), then a logical person will be able to deduct thru reasoning that the one who is judging is not being objective. Dude had all the motivation in the world to win that ring (3 peat, phils last year, immortality etc.) Kobe was an infant in 1999, he gets a pass like Lebron. Shaq on the other hand..

  • Sérgio

    Allenp, I agree with you in respect to Deron’s body language. The guy showed that he is not a leader.
    I really understand the arguments for CP, Deron or Rose as the best PG in the league. But, to me, the crown belongs to Rondo, specially in the Playoffs. Dude had absurd Playoff runs in 09, 10, 11 and 12. He is BY FAR the best perfomer of the nowadays PGs in the postseason, having countless huge games in his resumé. F#ck, he is already the 3rd all-time in Playoff Triple Doubles, tied with Larry Freakin Bird!
    Obviously, he is still not a very good shooter (including midrange, 3 pts and free-throw), which is, to me, the only area where he is inferior to the other PGs in the discussion. But he is improving – anyone who watched the Playoffs, especially his Game 2 masterpiece against Miami, knows that he is slowly developing a stroke. And if his J becomes reliable…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    nevermind i just went back and read pposse’s opinion. i’m sorry i argued with you. arguments that follow no logical reasoning and chance unicorn tails are absurd. you obviously think Derrick Rose is still the best PG in the league (never was) even after he tore his ACL, but since he’s hurt you just went and plucked the PG’s who made it the furthest in the playoffs and put them in order by who lasted the longest. Good Job. Uber Genius.

  • pposse

    are u seriously tryin to argue that its okay to get swept? That it has no impact on your standings as a ball player individually??

  • LA Huey

    Didn’t Kobe and Shaq get swept by the Jazz in the years before PJax got there?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    chase*

  • LA Huey

    Nevermind, Allenp got it.

  • pposse

    look at my first response to AllenP it clearly explains my criterion for rating ball players. You didn’t read far enough. Do your due dilligence before judging me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    To say the only thing Nash does worse than Paul is to defend, is like saying the only thing George Bush does worse than Albert Einstein is think.
    Be reasonable.

  • LA Huey

    Getting swept only means something if it happened in a series where you were the overwhelming favorite. Otherwise, there’s a long list of great talents that experienced the wrong end of a sweep.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Now NBK is tripping, saying Rose was never the best PG in the league…..please.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I did read it.
    .
    .”I place a higher (much higher than most here) weight on WINS and team success, stats are a distant third criteria.”
    .
    But you have Deron Williams (who won less, and had less team success – how you say those like they are different is another example of the stupidity of your POV) over Chris Paul.
    .
    Your argument is logicless and stupid. You can go ahead and quit trying to justify it. There is no way for you to make me believe you have a rational opinion that i give a damn about.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Slick, tally up all the non-Bulls fans here, see how many believe Derrick Rose was the best PG in the NBA at any point. I’ll wait.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LA Huey
    Just about every great player in the history of basketball has been swept.
    Duncan.
    Robinson.
    Magic
    Jordan
    Isiah
    Kareem
    You name them and they’ve been swept, particularly since the League expanded.
    It’s an asinine argument. No serious uses that as the basis of their argument. Yes, getting swept looks horrible and it’s bad, but that can’t be the determining factor because it happens to just about every great player in history!
    And Rondo still can’t shoot reliably, either from the field or from the free throw line. I can’t put him above the top three until that changes. He’s awesome, amazing even, but he can’t shoot. Why can’t he shoot?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Playing superior defense is kind of a big deal.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Holy..I just got out of class and we’re already at 100+ lol man D Rose gets people talking.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    LOUD NOISES

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    What does that mean? Stehpen curry is the only PG I have seen that was able to outplay Rose these last two seasons and that was only one game, otherwise; Rose has took it to every PG you can mention as being the best.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Let’s be real, Rose has outplayed these so called greater point guards everytime he’s played them. Now without bias, do people honestly think Rose will be as dominant? I’m not sure, time will tell.

  • ALD

    derrick rose got ppl wet with his acrobatic layups, dunks , improved jumpshot and supposed humbleness. But he did not make his teamates better even tho i think that is a misunderstood concept.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Slick beat me to it. If u watch basketball you’ll know Rose has dominated these PGs.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Let’s just ignore the fact that the Bulls are the best defensive team in the NBA. So to just look at other PGs numbers in head-to-head matchups with Rose doesn’t tell the entire story.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Head to Head matchups in the regular season mean a whole bunch of absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Absolutely nothing.
    .
    Derrick Rose was the best scoring PG in the NBA. And his team was built around his strengths better than any other team. But he was never the best PG. By any measure. He was well on his way, and really probably would have been had he stayed healthy. But he didn’t.

  • ALD

    drose was a dominat SCORER THATS IT… He is a small lbj..

  • pposse

    notice NBK how both your boys deron and cp3 are at the bottom of the list? Who really cares who 4 and 5 is? Thats just technicalities. Cp3 playoff impact was at its peak in 08, mark my words its all downhill from here for him. I gave the nod over CP3 for deron because he is bigger than him and head to head he owns him. I like cp3, i really do, but i’m not taking him NOW over any of the guys mentioned. They all are younger, take care of their bodies better, WIN more etc etc.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why is it so difficult to discuss Rose?
    Dude was a beast, he needed to improve his passing and defense. He was top three in the League my estimation.
    But I’ve found that either people love Rose and can’t believe anyone else could be considered better, or they despise him and think he’s an overrated bum. There is very little middle ground with that guy for some reason.

  • pposse

    jtaylor then look at the win percentage.

  • ALD

    @pposse dwill kills cp3 head to head

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Why should I?
    For the last two seasons, the Bulls have surrounded Rose with a better supporting cast than the ones surrounding DWill and CP.
    This isn’t boxing or tennis.

  • pposse

    yah allenP he needed to improve his assists cause being 8th on the regular season list for pg’s is so terrible. D Rose doesnt need to be compared to other pg’s in the game. He needs to be compared to the best all around basketball players in the world right now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    pposse, maybe you just don’t possess the ability to argue rationally? If you are going to say something, and than contradict what your saying in the same argument (at any point, no matter where) – then it is safe for me to assume you don’t really follow or know what your talking about. You are just giving reasons that you think fit your argument. Sh*t you have Russell Westbrook as the 2nd best POINT GUARD in the NBA. You just base your argument on team success for the majority of your list. You don’t care who the teammates are. Who the coaches are. You discount Paul for losing as the best player next to another all-star. And boost up Westbrook while being the second best player next to the second best player on earth. Once again. Your argument is stupid and logicless.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    PPosse
    If he is 8th that means their are seven players ahead of him.
    But it’s cool. I tried being reasonable and that clearly is not going to work. Believe what you like.

  • pposse

    basketball games can be won single handedly. Any sport where one player can score 100 pts or 81 pts in a SINGLE game is barely a team game! Obviously to win it all you will need more than a one man team, but out of all team sports basketball is the one where you could potentially put all your eggs in one basket and have a shot to win. If you stick Will or CP on the bulls roster from last year, they are not better than they were.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Yall are underrating Roses defense as well…When Rose missed games this seasons, Rondo, D-Will, Jrue holliday, ty lawson, Russell westbrook all had their way with the back up PG’s of the Bulls and were able to beat them(the Bulls). So its not just the bulls defense as a team that has slowed these guys down, especially when you look at the fact that they’re not doing this with Rose in the line-up. Now it may not entirely be his defense that stop these guys but his attacking style wears these guys down and they cant keep up with him.

  • ALD

    JASON KIDD>DROSE

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rose isn’t a bad defender. And this year he was much improved on his MVP season (statistically speaking). But he isn’t a top flight defensive PG either. Defensively, it goes something like (out of just the top PG’s in the league) Westbrook, Williams (when motivated), Rondo, Paul, Rose as i see it. Regardless though, Rose’s knee injury is definitely going to knock him down even further on that end.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Man I knew this thread will get ugly. Let me try this, for fun. Take Parker, Paul, Rondo, Westbrook, and Williams.
    Ball handling: Paul>Williams>Rondo>Westbrook>Parker

    Scoring: Westbrook>Parker>Williams>Paul>Rondo

    Creating: Paul>Rondo>Williams>Parker>Westbrook

    Defense: Rondo>Paul>Williams>Westbrook>Parker

    Leadership: Paul>Parker>Rondo>Williams>Westbrook

    Athleticism: Westbrook>Williams>Rondo>Parker>Paul

    Ok, with that, I’ll try to rank them:
    1. Chris Paul
    —-Led Clips to 2nd round, superior passer, ruthlessly efficient, clutch
    2. Deron Williams
    —-Great size, good scorer, great ball handler, all around solid point guard skills
    3. Rajon Rondo
    —-Excellent defense, best passer, has championship ring, rebounder
    4. Tony Parker
    —-Finals MVP, crafty scorer, excellent teammate, excels in playoffs
    5. Russell Westbrook
    —-Best scoring point guard, great athleticism, not good passer

  • LA Huey

    Just to be clear, I was saying sweeps don’t count against you. Unless you were heavily favored against the team that swept you. Something like that does tarnish your name.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Westbrook over Rose? A lot of drunkard in here.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The best PG rankings are this. Not going off las years performances but overall ability
    1. Derrick Rose
    2. Chris Paul
    3. Russell Westbrook
    4. Deron Williams
    5. Steve Nash
    6. Tony Parker
    7. Rajon Rondo
    8. Ricky Rubio
    9. John Wall
    10. Ty Lawson

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    *last years

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    tha’s not me.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Caboose, Westbrook is a better defender than Rondo/CP/DWill. Apart from that, good list.

  • LA Huey

    “basketball games can be won single handedly. Any sport where one player can score 100 pts or 81 pts in a SINGLE game is barely a team game!” How many times has anyone scored more than 70 points in the league’s history? Better yet, how often has anyone outscored the entire opposing team?

  • pposse

    so KD is the second best baller in the world, but Russell Westbrook was just riding his coatail to the finals? Your right NBK Russ didn’t hold is own weight. He bowed down to Tony Parker in the WCF, and he didnt drop 42 in the finals. Maybe I don’t hold KD to this top flight level that you do. Was that ever a possibility. Does that change your opinion on MY logic on MY list? And yes, i will re-iterate to you again, I admit it, team success bears higher weight in my opinions, so what?

  • pposse

    i never said basketball wasnt a team game, but out of all the team sports there is basketball is by far the least team oriented.

  • MeloMan15

    I AGREE WITH CJ

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Defense is tricky, JT. Only because they all play different kinds of defense. I could put Russ higher, but it really is preference in terms of defense. Except Rose and Nash. They’re nowhere near these 5.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    They’re nowhere near? I question if people actually watch Rose. LOL & SMH

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    They say perception is reality…….

  • pposse

    how can you guys say that about rose?? he plays good d! no where near nash level d! once again, rose’s primary responsibility is to move the pg to certain spots on the floor, NOT lockup. Thats the coach’s decision and not his.

  • LA Huey

    You cite a few anomalies while overlooking all it takes to play the game of basketball. I’m not what sure what you mean by “team oriented”? Like one overwhelming tide of a player can lift all the boats? One badazz pitcher or goalie can shut down another team so that a single point wins the game so how is basketball any less a team game than baseball/hockey/soccer?

  • pposse

    because there are less people involved!

  • SeanMagicJuan

    1. Rondo
    2. Westbrook
    3. D. Williams
    4. C. Paul
    5. D. Rose

  • LA Huey

    So less “team oriented” simply means fewer players involved? Haha. Got it!

  • pposse

    fewer players involved, means more opportunity for an individual i guess..so if you want to put it that simplistic then go ahead. I do think that the best athletes in the world are NBA players. Take cleveland lbj for example, it was him and 14 bums assembled and look how far he took them. AllenP out of every 4 games d rose plays only one guy will be a better passer than him

  • SeanMagicJuan

    When it’s winning time ( not in December-May) over the past 5 years, Rondo is head and shoulders above the PG’s with Westbrook looking like he will make a charge. All the other PG’s games can and will be affected by shooting meaning if they’re not scoring, the other parts of their game will suffer. Rondo can miss his first eight shots and you’ll know that he won’t be affect one bit plus Stoll might be working on a trip- doub.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    What’s the reasoning behind Westbrook being a top 3 PG? I see none lol.

  • LA Huey

    Redd, Westbrook mom is posting here.

  • SeanMagicJuan

    It’s never a “coach’s decision” to have one of his players “not lockdown”. Any coach would prefer that his players are able to individually defend the opponent without “funneling”.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Best PG rankings
    1. Dirk Nowitzki
    2. Kendrick Lamar
    3. Dwight Howard
    4. Jtaylor21′s mom
    5. Yao Ming
    6. Blake Griffim
    7. Andrew Bynum
    8. Tom Brady’s ass
    9. Erick Barkley
    10 Tyson Chandler

  • SeanMagicJuan

    Redd- Westbrook is D. Rose with drastically better defense. The C. Paul/ D. Williams point of view is based on 3 or 4 years ago. What meaningful playoff game has either really had? Ever? Paul looked horrible against San Antonio after looking pretty good against Memphis. I guess it’s not the difference of playing against Conley as compared to Parker but that CP was “injured”. Right?

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    So I see people on this site are finally warming up to the fact that certain guys have gotten the benefit of playing with “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the league.” No need to cite the source those fellas … the Shock Exchange is good.

  • smoove

    no Pg puts up digits like RONDO, they just have better jumpshots, but that is only 1 facet of the game….

  • SeanMagicJuan

    This is a typical box score.
    Rose-30 pts (11-29) 1-5 (3 pt) 5-8 (ft). 6 ast. 4 reb. 2 stl. 4 to’s.
    Rondo- 17 pts ( 7-16) 0-1 (3 pt) 3-6 (ft) 15 ast. 8 reb. 4 stl. 4 to’s.

  • pposse

    Not true Sean Magic, the Bulls play team defense. I heard thibs numerous times explain this to the media. It is not d rose’s assignment to lock up one on one, unless its the end of a game. He has to play within the defensive scheme.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Westbrook is NOT D. Rose…lol. Rose is a better passer & better at keeping a feel of the game. He’s more smarter on the court too and has a drive unlike Westbrook & also quicker.

  • Sérgio

    Jtaylor, no way Westbrook is a better defender than Rondo. Rajon is a BEAST defensively.

  • SeanMagicJuan

    Westbrook with no Durant would put up the exact same numbers as D Rose in the regular season. In the playoffs, Westbrook is superior. Look at D Rose (MVP year) in the series vs Miami, now look at Westbrook’s vs Miami. The “fire” comment is laughable, Westbrook is known for being the fiercest of competitors. Rose is as laid back as they come, he NEVER brought the fight to Miami while Russ seemingly brings the fight to a pickup summer league game.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’m starting to think that pposse is the biggest douche on this site.

  • SeanMagicJuan

    Pposse- You’re right in that every team has defensive schemes but most of the time NBA teams play man to man. In man to man, priority number one for each defender is to lockdown your man.

  • Lboogie

    I agree , Cp3 or Rondo…the way they run the team is different…its controlled and effective.

  • pposse

    sorry i challenged your thinking young nbk, dont talk to me like that you should know better than that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    LOL Westbrook was doing ok because he has KD & he had Ibaka & Harden. Stop it, you’ve lost your mind to think Westbrook is better. If Rose was healthy he’d be starting on Team USA or least getting more PT than Westbrook..EASILY.

  • Lboogie

    Thats what i miss the most, not watching rose in this olympics…along with Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard. Do you know how badly we would destroy people This game wouldnt even be funny…The type of players we have are insane!!!!!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Pposse I’ll talk to you whichever way I want to talk to you. What are you going to do about it? Exactly

  • pposse

    are you trolling me right now? LOL this has to be the nbk troll

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    SeanMagicJuan…..SMH, You’re going to say westbrook is superior in the playoffs but conveniently forget he has KD & Harden? both of which who relieve pressure off of one another so therefore Westbrook was able to have ONE GREAT GAME while his other games look similar to that of Rose(against the heat) with KD and Harden to space the floor for him. It doesn’t matter if he would put up similar stats, Would he dominate other PG’s on a consistent basis like Rose does… every time Westbrook faces either CP3 or Tony parker, they completely outplay him and I believe tony parker dropped 42 points on westbrook and his superior defense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Rose would do well against the Heat if he didn’t have to carry a team. Rose knows when to turn it on PLUS he how to. Westbrook can’t do the same. And I just saw everyone’s precious D-Will get croosed by JOSE CALDERON…Jose Calderon man.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    ^^^The 5:01 pm comment is not me.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No this is not the troll stupid ass. The guy who did that stupid list of PG’s with Dirk Nowitzki and Kendrick Lamar is the troll.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    That’s the troll. And sorry Slick that was me didn’t notice that my name changed.

  • ctk

    Westbrook is gettin no respect rt now…he got the WHOLE WESTERN CONFERENCE comin up with ways to deal with him come playoff time …people sayin he too selfish he runs a top 5 O n the league…Durant got 3scoring titles ..Harden gettin buckets….BTW beside this past season he was avg more dimes than DERRICKROSE

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    WHAT he has never averaged more than Rose minus his injury season.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    That was me not the troll. This troll is seriously ruining my reputation. Can’t you just post under your own damn name. It isn’t that hard to type.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Maybe I’m wrong but I’ve never known nbk to constantly curse or get too pissed so I doubt it still.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Believe what you want it won’t make a difference to me. You don’t know me in real life, how would you know?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Relax Chris Crocker.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Who the hell is Chris Crocker?

  • @mmj122

    thats crazy DRose is the best in the game

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^That IS crazy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Who the hell is you? All very valid and compelling questions sir.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I literally have not posted since 2:57PM. So the troll is arguing with another troll about who is me. And it’s neither of them.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    ^not me. I “is” nbk. Who is you?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’m the real nbk, who is sitting in a hospital room with his lady, that has been really f*cking busy. I don’t feel like f*cking around with you about who you are. I just thought I would clear it up that I wasn’t ether of the two idiots commenting under my name. So f*ck yourself very much.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    ^chill out

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No. Not the day for me to chill out. F*ck yourself.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t need to. I have people for that. Troll

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Lol whoever nbk is, just know my statements were aimed at the troll and not to be nosey and if I am my bad but if something bad has happened health wise I feel it’s on me to just say I hope everything is ok with you Or whomever close to u.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I appreciate that redd

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    ^ not me. Weird ass troll. Still go f*ck yourself.
    .
    Thanks redd, it’s my girl, she has been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. Crazy, came on in a weeks time. Real stressful day, so thanks for the well wishes.

  • SeanMagicJuan

    If you think that Westbrook’s only “good” playoff game was Game 4 in the Finals, you skipped Dallas, Los Angeles (Lakers), and San Antiono. Can someone tell me a dominant game Rose has ever had in the playoffs? Even in the 1st round? So many 11-30 nights are disguised as “good” games for him but the same people destroy Kobe for it, and Kobe’s a 2 guard.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    10:49 is the troll.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Whatever dude, have fun impersonating me im not in the mood for this bak and forth. I was trying to find something to take my mind off all this but you are just annoying

  • http://www.slamononline.com Redd

    To the troll, you’re a real douche son and your life must suck if u think it’s ok to do this while a person is having a seemingly off day. I get fooling around, some people’s personalities dictate being a good but even those people know that it’s time to be serious. You on the other hand are a deliberate moron.

  • SeanMagicJuan

    Ignore the guy Redd and real nbk.(Who the hell trolls someone ALL DAY, but that’s another story.) Btw to follow up, in the MVP rose season he played in 16 playoff games and shot over 50% in 2 games. Westbrook played in 14 playoff games this year and shot over 50% in 6. D. Rose has some horrible shooting games that actually hurt the team by creating stagnant offense but people will bail him out with the “he doesn’t have any help” thing.

  • SeanMagicJuan

    Good dialogue fellas but I have to run soon. Rondo is the best PG, Westbrook is charging. C. Paul and Deron Williams will never be better than they are now (damn good but in their prime)and K. Irving is still too young. Don’t get me wrong, Derrick Rose is a GREAT basketball player. However, he is not an efficient point guard. He’s a stronger and taller Allen Iverson.

    Have a good one. If you’re trolling someone on a basketball site, you might want to take a step back and look at your life a bit. Peace.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    SeanMagicJuan….All that hate inst good idiot. You’re going to sit up here and say these dumb a** things and don’t even know the man playoff history but proclaim westbrook is better? How stupid does that sound. I was bringing up the miami series sense that’s the only series that stands out to you hater. Westbrook played very well against dallas and the lakers but he was not as good as you’re making it against the spurs nor the heat. Rose has had several great playoff performances…44 & 7ast against the hawks, 36 & 11ast(tying the all-time scoring playoff debut by a rookie with Kareem Abdul-Jabaar)etc…No he doesn’t have so many 11-30 games disguise as good games….He actually has great games unlike westbrook and his one that you mention.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Rose is more efficient than westbrook….he has one “good” playoff run and now he’s more efficient? you’re out of your mind dude, that dont excuse the other times wetsbrook has been ineffective.

  • http://www.slamononline.com Redd

    Why is it ok to use the Lebron-Cavs excuse but nope Rose it’s not ok? Rose only had one guy who was an all star while Rose was playing.

  • http://www.slamononline.com Redd

    With Rose* horrible typo.

  • Kadavour

    Deron is the best, but if Rondo could shoot as well as CP3 or Deron, this wouldn’t even be an argument.
    Westbrook shouldn’t be mentioned in same class of PG as Rondo, CP3 and Deron. That kid is a mental midget on the court compared to these guys. If he was a little smarter, he’d be a better version of Derrick Rose. They’re both so tenacious it’s almost scary.
    CP3 is super efficient and that alone can give him claim to the top spot.
    Deron has an element to his game the others don’t have – that back-to-the-basket a la Magic, Mark Jackson and Baron Davis style of play. He absolutely BULLIES opposing guards in this way.
    Rondo is just a wizard. The game happens at a different speed for him.

  • http://www.slamononline.com Redd

    Yeah Dwill looked nice getting played by Jose Calderon the other night.

  • SeanMagicJaun

    Slick Ric calls me a “hater” and an “idiot” for a basketball opinion. I won’t engage with you man. I see that you love Derrick Rose. Congratulations.
    Did you not see my statement “Don’t get me wrong, Derrick Rose is a GREAT basketball player….”?

    Btw- I’m sticking to facts,if Game 3 in the 2nd round is “Big Game Time” to you, no wonder you’re so upset.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    OK so the playoffs aren’t big time? lets not act like wetsbrook led these guys to the finals and he was destroying everyone in his path. He had a nice playoff, nothing special and nothing to merit the statement of him being superior in the playoffs after only having two good playoffs series.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Rose is still best PG In my opinion. Then Paul. Then Westbrook. Then Deron. Deron is a little selfish in my opinion. Then Parker then Nash

  • SeanMagicJuan

    Now you’re “hating” Slick Ric. Westbrook had a special playoff this year, he and Durant did lead OKC to the Finals. James Harden had a “nice” playoffs, Roy Hibbert had a “nice” playoff run, Westbrook’s was special. Plus, Derrick Rose has NEVER had a big time playoff series peformance over a run of games. Put the pom poms down for a second and put the analyst glasses on for a second.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I will keep the pom poms up and I always have the analyst glasses on. Like I said before he had a nice playoff run, nothing special, He was able to get to the Finals but he plays alongside this guy named Kevin Durant who teams are more concerned with than Russell…..a lot of teams let russell do his thing sometimes in hopes of him shooting everyone else out of the game. Lebrons was special, russell was good…….no more, nothing less, still doesn’t merit the proclamation you made.

  • SeanMagicJuan

    For the thousandth time, tell me a DOMINANT playoff series that D. Rose has recorded? That’s the “merit” itself.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    WHAT DOMINANT PLAYOFF SERIES HAS RUSSELL WESTBROOK HAS? AND SINCE THE FIRST AND SECOND ROUND DONT COUNT….I DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT ONE OF THOSE SINCE THOSE ARE “SIGNIFICANT” TO YOU….AND ROSE HAS DOMINATED SERIES.

  • http://bleacherreport recee

    Rondo you assholes

  • crown da king

    kyrie is better than Rondo and Parker…

  • nukydd

    Lets not forget ever time the bulls play any of those guys rose murder them look at the stats they have bad games when when he come to town

  • nukydd

    Last year rose had dominate series when the bulls playe he d Atlanta and Indiana

  • nukydd

    And cj Watson is weak as hell with hat dumb ass pass to asik a person who can’t shoot to save his life so i really don’t care about what he thinks and d Will gets his b utt handed to him by d rose

  • Billy

    I’m a die hard bulls fan but I’ve always thought my man from Illinois was the most complete point fayed in the league. He can give you 20 and 10 and still d up the opposing teams best guard

  • Bulls fan

    Wow , so he happens to sign with a team that has a player he thinks is the best at his position?! CJ even if you did believe that , that still takes a lot of nerve to stay, knowing you are disrespecting a former team mate that was nothing but respectful and nice to you.Talk about a suck up!!!

  • Bulls fan

    Wow , so he happens to sign with a team that has a player he thinks is the best at his position?! CJ even if you did believe that , it still takes a lot of nerve to say, knowing you are disrespecting a former team mate that was nothing but respectful and nice to you.Talk about a suck up!!!

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    What Billy said.

  • KING_Louis

    He’s bitter & will never be better than d.rose on his bad days. that’s why he’s backing up Williams after costing the bulls a shot in the finals…

  • Bobitto

    Honestly it’s a toss up between D. Will and CP3. Nash, Rose, Westbrook, & Rondo each have major flaws in their games to keep them out of the conversation. D. Will and CP are both incredibly well rounded as players even thought they don’t have the accolades of the other guys(a ring, finals appearance, & MVP awards). Personally I feel like D. Will could pick apart any pg in the league today including Paul and Rondo but I’ll definitely give CP points over him because of his defensive and leadership abilities.

  • Bobitto

    And CJ isn’t being bitter or bogus, he’s saying what any teammate would. If you go from playing with one star player to another are you really going to admit you made the decision to play with a less talented player? Not if you like playing time.

  • bulls82

    I don’t even consider ne other point guard, are compare any other point guard to d rose. U can go on and on about d will, Paul, rondo, but I kno in my heart none of them guys can guard my guy. And I’m sure he can guard them. The funniest thing is when people who don’t really watch my guy, compare my guy 2 westbrook. It’s like when fools used to compare mj to cylde drextler. Besides speed probably, d rose is stronger, better shooter, and he averages more assist. Paul, last season the.clippers ant have Paul guard my dude, it was like a child agasint a man. I.compare my dude to lebron, durant. The thing I like the most about dude is he a throwback. He ant buddy, buddy. He dnt have a d wade, Blake griffin, kg, he’s made that entire bulls team to a contender. And every player on our team is.better because of his leadership, and play. So please ease up, and all u cats can shout assit turnover ratio, etc. But at the end of the day none of yall fave pgs can guard my dude, my dude has a MVP, and he’s got farther in the post season than Paul, and d will, come on man.

  • hooliom

    deron williams suck

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