Tuesday, July 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am  |  98 responses

Kevin Love Finds Limited Playing Time With Team USA ‘Tough’


There are whispers that the powers that be at Team USA aren’t exactly with Kevin Love’s play and level of aggression thus far, which has resulted in Love not playing a whole lot. The star forward admits that he’s having a tough time proving to the coaching staff that he deserves more playing time. Per Sheridan Hoops: “Obviously I’d like to go out there and be playing with these guys, I really feel like I can help. I know my abilities and know what I’m capable of,’ Love said Monday. ‘You know, Coach K and I have talked about it — this isn’t 2010. I obviously played more in 2010, but I’m a completely different player now and a far better player. So we’ll wait and see what happens. I worked into my playing time in 2010, and hopefully that’ll happen here. I just need to find a way to get into a rhythm in limited minutes, which is tough.’ Love logged only 5 minutes of burn in the American’ 11-point victory over Brazil a week ago, played garbage time minutes in Manchester, England, against Great Britain after picking up three quick fouls without accumulating any other statistics in the first three quarters of that 40-point victory, then logged only seven minutes against Argentina with two rebounds and an assist, and no points. [...] Love is playing 25 pounds lighter than he was two summers ago in Turkey, which he says has been to his advantage. ‘That’s helped me. If you look at last season and the season before, I had a breakthrough season in 2010-11, and then last year I felt, and I still feel, I’m one of the best players in the league. I just need to get into a rhythm, and there’s no real chances out here to do that. I was playing more minutes in Turkey than I am now, and they can say I’m not playing great. But I didn’t touch the ball yesterday, and there’s nothing I can really do in that regard. As far as rebounding the ball, I’m always going to do that. But if they don’t think I’m playing great, then fine. But hopefully I can prove that I am once I get a chance to get out there. Guys like LeBron and Kevin and Carmelo are playing a lot of 4. I’ve been playing mostly 5, playing out of position, so who knows?’”

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    White people don’t play ball because they get teased?
    LMAO
    Man, that’s crazy. Black folks don’t swim, golf or play tennis professionally, but nobody says it’s because we got teased by the dominant white people. It’s all our fault we don’t participate. But white people see their numbers drop in the NBA and it’s because the blackies are being mean.
    That’s asinine.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.blogspot.com TR

    How would Rubio do without Love? 2 way street

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If black people stopped doing things simply because white people were mean to them, black people would have never accomplished anything as a race in this country. NOTHING. Ponder that for a second.

  • LA Huey

    Arthur Ashe is rolling in his grave…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The racial angst isn’t fake.
    Dude has some shifty ways. And he gets a pass. Now what you attribute that pass to is all about how you see the world.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LA Huey
    Ashe, Williams sisters, Althea. That pretty much covers the entire history of black tennis according to most Americans and the sports media.
    Black folks do not participate in golf, tennis and swimming in large numbers. Hell, after a certain point there are very few of us playing baseball.
    Nobody says “Oh, the white kids tease the black kids and make it difficult for them to participate.” Sure that happens, but who points to that as the reason why black numbers are low? That is crazy to me.

  • LA Huey

    I know, homie. I just couldn’t pass up the chance to mention Ashe and appropriately use the phrase. I’m with you on this one.

  • pposse

    i did think over what you are saying. But we are talking about basketball right? Not scientific discoveries, politics, social leadership etc. BASKETBALL! Part of the game of basketball is trash talking. I know it sounds ridiculous, but how else can you explain the lack of American born (white/caucasion) basketball players in the NBA. My theory (this is only a theory) is that its cause they get ridiculed from playing seriously at a very young age. I am not white, so im not speaking for anyone, its just my opinion. However, why are there so many europeans in the league? I mean this is America right, we are the dominant basketball country (black white yellow brown red included). Quick examples…in the eighth grade i was on my schools bball team and some chicago school from the inner city came to play us. Everyone on that team were black, and they literally went into the layup line without basketballs and each and every last one of them grabbed the rim. I think one person touched the rim on our team back then lol. What do u think our whole team was thinking? We got waxed that game lost by like 50. We was good tho as a team, we won our conference. That day tho, personally i knew that i should give up on any real NBA hoop dreams.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    That works both ways. A black person wouldn’t go to the upper-super rich neighborhoods to play ball or tennis or baseball. I’m not saying all white folks or even rich white folks don’t like black people just that the notion you posed is unreal. What my example says is that the rich are franchised, especially the white rich-middle class folks. Don’t ever get it twisted, racism won’t die & racial divides will always exist.

  • http://sfkjlf.com Jukai

    No, it’s absolutely fake.
    1- He isn’t getting a pass. What’s hysterical is that everyone is bashing him and butchering him while yelling “and what’s worse, everyone is giving him a pass”
    2- If James Harden or Anthony Davis said “yeah, it’s tough not getting playing time, but I’ll just have to power through and find my spots in limited minutes” then no one would bat an eyebrow because it’s a truthful statement! It’s tough not playing and it’s toughing proving you deserve to play when you are used to get 40 minutes a game and now you’re getting five. But Kevin Love says that? Oh my god, how awful!!!! We can’t let that white little shmuck get away with that!
    This should have been a non-issue SLAM post. He was asked a question, he vented a bit, then got an article written negatively about him for answering that question. Seems like NBA journalism 101 to me. Yet, someone, despite responding to an article attacking Love, people are suddenly going after him ravenously yelling about race in the media.
    Seems like its less about race and more about Kevin Love.
    See it how you see it, but it’s getting kind of ridiculous from my end.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I explain it simply.
    White people concentrate on different sports because they are told by their family, friends, coaches and society that they should do that.
    Why fight millions of black kids for a college scholarship in basketball when you can slide over to lacrosse, soccer, golf and swimming and go to school for free much easier?
    Take baseball. White kids love that sport. They play it all the time. And consequently, white people dominate baseball. Or what about football? White people still love that sport, and while their numbers are lower than black folks they are still incredibly strong because millions of white kids believe every year they have a future in football.
    The racial makeup of a sport is determined by whether young children believe they can play that sport and whether they get started early playing it. Basketball is that sport of basketball and that’s why you see more black athletes. It’s not because we scare off all the white people with our trash talking.

  • pposse

    Another example: I am at the playground, and some european guy is there and we are playing ball. This guy you can tell just came to America within the year. He wasn’t good or anything, but he still had the audacity to try these crazy behind the back layups in traffic; it never worked, but he kept on doing it and doing it until one time it worked on some young lame. I am contending that most people the age of 21 (which was the age i was when this happened) would have been stopped trying to do that sorry move; but he (not knowing any better) kept on at it. I am sure that by now if he still lives in America has given up on that move. Confidence does a lot of things for the haves as well as the have nots. I know this ish sounds crazy but someone else explain to me why there are so many foreign players in the league then.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You read this excerpt and took away the gist as :
    “Yeah it’s tough not getting time but I just have to power through”?
    That’s what you really and truly got from his comments? That is hard to believe. See, if he said that, there would be no problem. That’s honest and understandable. But that’s not what I took from his comments.
    What I took was a cat complaining that he’s better than he was in 2010 and he should be getting more minutes. Clearly were saw the situation completely differently.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Who else is venting on TEAM USA about playing time?
    Name another person who has vented? Not complained about the difficulty of getting a rhythm with fewer minutes, but actually vented that they should be getting more time?
    I can think of no one.

  • pposse

    so you are contending that white people are being told by their “family, friends, coaches” to not concentrate in ball because millions of black kids are already concentrating on that same scholarship. I believe that; but what makes you think that the kid (these are kids we are talking about, they don’t use their full brain potential) is even intelligent enough to understand this concept. Or what makes you think that this is the only motivating reason why a coach or family member would tell their kid to concentrate their efforts somewhere else. All of these athletes whether they are lying or not claim that they have been dreaming of their sport they are professionals in since age 6. A coach or family member won’t take your dream from you; the people you play against on the courts do. And i mean its simple psychology at that point. If i see a bunch of white guys playing lacrosse as a 13 yr old ill probably be thinking that white guys are only good at this sport/play this sport. The same goes for basketball. But in Europe, these guys grow up playing bball with confidence; and i do not mean to take away from the individual talents and hard work they put in. But lets be real..if Andres Nocioni grew up in America would he be in the NBA??

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    for the record, baseball is dominated by latinos. check the numbers.

  • LA Huey

    I’m pretty sure Jews make up a great portion of writing in Hollywood because they trash-talked all the blacks, hispanics, and Asians away from it.

  • http://sfkjlf.com Jukai

    Allen- Has anyone asked James Harden? Aren’t you usually the guy defending players for answering honest questions? I did read “I played in 2010 and I’m better” and if that’s overbearing then you got soft overtime. I did not read “Coach K better give me minutes or there is going to be problems.” Lebron, Wade, Amare, Bosh, and Melo constantly remind everyone that they were angry they didn’t get any playing time in 2004 and that every Olympic game after that is simply to prove their coach and doubters wrong. Whiners?
    Also, still doesn’t justify any racial angle, but maybe that’s been dropped. The idiotic “white people aren’t good at basketball because black kids scare them” crowd has kind of shifted the stupidity far into the other spectrum.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    They remind everyone NOW that they were mad they didn’t get time. They didn’t say anything in 2004.
    You think the comments weren’t complaining? I can’t believe that.
    Like I said, name another player who complained that they deserved more time on Team USA while playing on Team USA. I’ve never seen it before.
    Like T_Money said, the reporter asked questions to give Love a chance to explain why he wasn’t dominating like the reporter predicted. Instead of keeping things along the safe “It’s tough to produce in limited minutes” Love then openly advocated for more minutes and implied that he deserved more minutes because he was better than he was in 2010.
    If you honestly and truly think this is normal and acceptable behavior for athletes on Team USA, then that’s what you believe. No reason to argue or debate it.

  • pposse

    LA – LOL ..jewish people run the media and they like to keep the money within their community a la bhamitva’s and the such, i heard those kids have an obligation to pay back whomever contributes to their funds when they get older and more successful

  • http://sfkjlf.com Jukai

    I just named five other guys who complained. There were rumblings in 2004, but no one asked Lebron “why aren’t you producing!!!!!”
    Whatever, that wasn’t even my major complaint. If the conversation shifts to that, I wont care and I’ll disappear back into the shadows.

  • http://slamonline.com Chubachuchi

    ^ I’m sorry sir but you’re pathetic. Doesn’t mean that because you and you’re friends were scared to play ball with black dudes meaning this is a societal problem now. Not all white people are like you meaning they don’t let the fear or the sh*t talk get to them if it ever was there. Intimidation should never hinder you from doing what you want especially in something that’s supposed to be fun like basketball. I know a few white kids that did get sh*t at first when they started playing but after they sucked it up the black dudes and every other minority meanie respected them. The main reason Black people dominate basketball is because it’s the #1 sport they like to play day in and out, and quite frankly, their naturally athletic ability helps.

    Just curious man you’re from Chicago? I know we live in probably the most segregated city but we always have a diverse group of people to hang with, at east where I’m from. And where in the South are you talking about playing lol if people don’t want to come down it’s mainly because they’re afraid for their lives not because they’re intimidated.

  • http://slamonline.com Chubachuchi

    @ pposse

  • http://slamonline.com Chubachuchi

    @ ppose

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK, in 2009, MLB baseball was 60 percent white, 28 percent Latino, 9 percent black 2.5 percent asian according to figures I just found with a Google search.
    More telling, NCAA baseball is 85 percent white!
    That is domination.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    You clearly think there is no racial angle to the way Kevin Love has been handled by the media. YOu felt the same way at different times about Nash and Dirk. At this point, nothing is changing your mind.
    So, what’s your point? That because you feel this way we should all agree that our feelings on the topic are invalid and lack proof.
    Um, ok.
    You see what you see, I see what I see. At this point, we don’t agree on reality. Therefore we can’t discuss nuances.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ahh good work detective.
    .
    I knew college was basically all white players, for some reason i thought i saw a statistic that showed about 35% of major league baseball was of latin descent. My bad man.

  • pposse

    chubachuchi, im from chicago and im not speaking for myself. All i did was pose an extended reason as to why Kevin Love is not getting sht on by the media for sounding like a white version of T.O. There aren’t enough white people in ball, the media won’t bash that guy until he cheats on his wife or something. When i was talkin about going to the south side of chicago, i was exaggerating. But you tell me then why there are more europeans in the NBA than there are white americans. Thats the only logical reason i can think of (cause many got teased at a young age haha that still sounds funny tho). AllenP did say cause their coaches and such tell them to concentrate on other things, but if you want something bad enough dont you go for it? I say its cause they getting teased but it all comes down to the mentality getting attacked at an early age; and that can get crushed at an early age a la teasing or losing or parents telling you to do something else.

  • pposse

    jukai they all complained cause they lost, when you lose and you have the superior talent what are you going to expect? Plus Larry did do a horrendous job coaching that team. AI and Duncan shouldn’t have been starting that year. Kevin Love didnt lose anything, but his damn mind so far this summer.

  • http://sfkjlf.com Jukai

    Allen: You’re projecting on me. I never said there wasn’t a racial bias with Nash, I said it was overblown. And I never mentioned anything about Dirk, maybe to defend Nash but never directly, so not sure where the hell you got that. BUT, if we’re going to go tit for tat here, how many posters here have accused you of seeing racial angles when none existed? “At this point, nothing is changing your mind” right?
    What I see RIGHT NOW is an article (on NBA dot com) bashing Kevin Love, and everyone responding bashing Kevin Love. I also see a lot of blogs jumping on the subject and doing the same thing. And yet, somehow, Kevin Love is getting away squeaky clean by being white. Wha?
    Could it be, people liked him in the past because he was an underdog story and they ignored some of his self entitlement, and now that he has been accepted as an all-star, people are tired of it?
    Or could it be similar to what happened to Lebron, Kobe, and Wade, how people loved them so much because they were new and awesome, that people ignored their self entitled attitude until they no longer were new and people got tired of it?
    Nah, forgettaboutit. White. I gotcha.
    If you don’t want to discuss this, don’t respond. You’re pulling the “I’m going to discuss this then end my post about not wanting to discuss this because we’re too far apart, then the next time you respond, I’m going to discuss this then end my post about not wanting to discuss this because we’re too far apart” loop. It’s boring.

  • http://sfkjlf.com Jukai

    pposse: I get that point, but let’s not pretend the group is storming through the competition. 11 point win on Brazil, 7 points on Argentina… not good looking. And they still complain about size.

  • http://slamonline.com StuBaby

    It’s funny because all I’m getting from these posts is racial hatred. Where are the “supporters” for this guy? The reporter did his job and reported the story. Where is the media bias?

  • bike

    Physiological and socioeconomic reasons factor in the participation and performance of blacks in the nba. Blacks (Jamaicans and West Africans) have always excelled in certain sports such as the sprinting events – check Olympic records if in doubt. East Africans excel in the distance events.
    Nothing wrong with honest discussions about race and proficiency in sports as long as we refrain from the negative stereotypes i.e. ‘All athletes are dumb, all blacks are great athletes, therefore all black are…’.

  • http://kingakai.com Alpha-bet

    Wow..Kevin Love really does talk alot…Nevet really notice that till this summer.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    East Africans have not always dominated distance events. In fact, white people dominated ALL events at first. Of course, just like in most sports, that’s because they wouldn’t let other people participate.
    Most discussions on race in sports performance are not based on science. They are based on overblown anecdotes.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Did you guys hear the rumor that Nick Young, Randy Foye, and Jtaylor21 had a three way on Udonis Haslem’s couch. Crazy ass $hit from TMZ

  • IMAPALA T

    man I’m watchin Kevin Love now and he is not making a good case for himself,

  • LA Huey

    I heard that rumor too but Snopes confirmed it to be only that.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Allenp on everything.

  • LA Huey

    bike forgot to mention Jamaicans and bobsledding.

  • http://slamonline.com StuBaby

    Here’s some science!

    -Hypothesis Testing on the Proportion of Black Athletes in the NBA-
    Null Hypothesis: p = 0.131 (proportion of blacks in the US)
    Alternative Hypothesis: p =/= 0.131
    Our p is the proportion we would expect to see if race was not a factor in being an athlete (in this case an NBA athlete).
    Test Level of Significance: 0.001
    Comparative z-value for Test Level of Significance: 3.3
    z-value = (0.78 – 0.131)/(sqrt((0.131 * (1 – 0.131)) / 450)) = 40.82
    0.78 is the proportion of the NBA that is black.
    450 is the maximum number of players in the NBA at any one time.
    40.82 > 3.3 and so we reject our null hypothesis and say with 99% confidence that race is a factor on becoming an NBA player. In fact, because our z-value is so astronomically high, there is less than a 0.00000000000000001 chance that this is possible without race being a factor. You can do this same test for NFL and US Olympic Sprinters and get similar values.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    What about the rumor that Allenp and Lakeshow did it in the back of jukai’s truck? Anybody else hear that?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvwfvTcNl0 danpowers

    @Stubay: Do the same amount of white and black people attempt to become nba players? and is this really because of skin color genetically or because of social class? like a spoiled / petted kid that grows up having everything wont work, hustle and fight as hard as a kid that doesnt really has an option besides making it on the court besides ending up in underpaid unqualified labour or prison/cemetary etc… that situation wont fit every single case but maybe a very big sample. so we would have to estimate the same amount of whites (or just non blacks?) and blacks of the same socio-economical background and… f***k it that racism is just too much for me lol

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvwfvTcNl0 danpowers

    @topic: dont understand why he demands anything publicly. so far he didnt do more than putting up big numbers on a losing team. ha can talk as soon as the t-wolves finish their season with a positive record.

  • Valkyrie

    Jukai’s narrative on all things race is very simple: “All of you people of color complain too much, and without merit”. That’s pretty much all you need to know about his views, which are shared by more than one person on this site. It’s pretty much why I skip over his comments.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvwfvTcNl0 danpowers

    i want an edit function when i look at all my typos, sorry guys

  • http://asdfjklf.com Jukai

    Valkyrie, I like it. When you can’t actually debate on the subject, speak in generalities and shy away from the argument completely. It’s a good strategy and makes you look smarter than you actually are. Keep up the good work.

  • Dingo Rob

    The White Dwight

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