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Monday, July 9th, 2012 at 11:10 am  |  171 responses

Kobe Bryant Plans to Remind LeBron James That He Has More NBA Championships


If there was one thing to take away from the fantastic Dream Team documentary that recently aired, is just how much trash talk takes place when the world’s greatest basketball players join forces. It’s no different this time around, as Kobe Bryant and LeBron James headline Team USA’s for Olympic Gold in London. But before they head across the pond, Bryant will remind James that he has a long way to go before he catches up in the race for NBA titles. From SI: “He’s going to be a different player,’ said [Tyson] Chandler of the impact the championship will have on [LeBron] James. Chandler should know because he became a champion with Dallas in 2011 at the expense of James and Miami. ‘LeBron was already an incredible player, and if not the best, top two — there’s only one other guy that can challenge that, and he’s on this team.’ Chandler was referring to [Kobe] Bryant, of course. ‘So his whole mentality is going to be different, because the confidence of winning an NBA championship changes a player,’ said Chandler. ‘Confidence — knowing you’re a champion, you’re the best. You walk around with that swagger, and he deserves it. He worked very hard and now he can call himself a champ.’ […] Above all else, he is not going to relax. The breakthrough doesn’t change everything, as warned by Bryant. ‘One championship doesn’t get it, you know what I’m saying?’ Bryant said. ‘So for me, when we won one, it was a little different because it was, like you know, Michael (Jordan) had six, Magic (Johnson) had five. So me and Shaq (O’Neal) both were like, man, we got to get some more. One ain’t going to cut it.’ Surely James has been thinking the same way. ‘Yeah, I mean, since the last time we were here I got two,’ said Bryant, extending the vowel the way Jordan extended his fingertips after making his last championship shot in Utah. He let the ‘two’ hang out there without rushing onto the next sentence. ‘Dirk got one. He (James) got one.’ Has Bryant reminded James of the championship score? ‘Not yet,’ he said. ‘I will. I will.’”

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  • don the GSW fan

    would be great to be a fly-on-the wall on these practices.

  • bike

    As if LeBron really needs to be reminded of that.

  • CP

    It was easy for Kobe to Get to 5 rings,sense he got to play Pippin To Shaq’s Jordan for the first 3.Lebron never had the luxury of being the SECOND best player on his team.

  • IGGI

    Yea I dodn’t think LeBron need to be riminded of. 1st of all LeBron is very smart he knows what’s up.

  • bbogg

    i can not wait to see camp on nbatv on wed! i hope they show live scrimmages. i am sure they will be pretty intense like dteam1. those scrimmages from the documentray were legiondary. this should be no different! kb kb is going to be ballin!!!

  • T-Money

    as if lebron cared. some people needed validation that he could be a champ before acknowledging that he was the best player in the game (which he has been for the past few years). ok, now he’s got it. i guess you start talking about how many rings you have when you can no longer just say that you’re the best player in the league and leave it at that.

  • Patrick

    that’s why it’s funny…

  • Patrick

    and i’m pretty sure lebron cares.

  • greg

    he still has more than him even if u exclude shaq. but dont worry everyday when kobe gets up and walks around, he gets reminded of who has had more knee surgeries.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    cosign T-money… lmao @ kobe tho

  • pposse

    i like tysons comments on the whole situation he brings up the mentality and how it changes..as a chicago fan who grew up watching MJ ill tell you that our mentality as fans changed..it was expected that our team would would win rings all the time! I think its similar to Kobe’s mentality where he expects to win rings every year and now Lebron will definately be expecting to win rings all the time.

  • T-Money

    it’s irrelevant. wasn’t the count 5 to 2 for magic at the barcelona games? jordan was still the best player on the team. when they’re all retired, we can look at the hardware. but right now, all that matters is what these guys can acually do on the floor… and it’s not close.

  • http://www.slamonline.com L.E.

    Yeah man, mines is bigger than yours.

  • IGGI

    Koby better recognize whos is the best player in the league and show some respect to the champ. “”"”Kobe WAS—LeBron IS the best”"

  • pposse

    we all know that Kobe will never do that iggi!

  • lakeshow

    lebron can tell him hows the best player on the planet

  • kobesBESTfriend

    Time 2 bring back those puppet commercials

  • http://Juanm.garcia@comcast.net NYPlaya

    Magic Johnson only has 3 rings according to some of you amateur NBA “fans” since Kareem and Worthy were finals MVP’s on two of the 5 rings he won. Complete comedy.

  • MUBWAR

    all Kobe needs to know he ain’t getting that six title. With Monsters like KD LBJ CP3 and Blake 5 rings is where it stops

  • corky

    “It was easy for Kobe to Get to 5 rings,sense he got to play Pippin To Shaq’s Jordan for the first 3.”

    The hate is strong in this one. ~Emperor Palpatine

  • mas

    Don’t forget that Nash will be even hungrier than Kobe for that ring. I still don’t see them beating OKC but it will be more fun that this playoff 4-0 run.

  • B

    Kind of mad the editor threw (O’neal) in there, as if anyone though about some other Shaq. LOL

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Whenever it comes to Championships and Kobe Bryant, why do people instantly bring up Shaq and claim he “won three of them for him.” It’s as if the haters think Shaq literally did EVERYTHING in that three-peat, and they completely disregard Kobe like he was some sort of “groupie” between ’00-’02. Why should Kobe’s legacy be tarnished because “he played with Shaq.” Kobe has 5 rings. He never asked to be put together with Shaq. It just happened.
    Co-sign NYPlaya aswell. Some “fans” on here have no idea. Comedy.

  • Justin05

    @mubwar…you are wrong. It shows how little you know about basketball because Kobe isn’t afraid of any one player, much less Blake griffin lol. Blake is not even an all-star worthy player, just wait until his knees give out. Anything can happen next season and it takes a TEAM to win it all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    T-Money…little touchy when Bean trash talks your dude. Since when has any trash talk been completely justified by stats/public opinion/reality/TMZ sources? But it wouldn’t be Slam if we didn’t spend all day defending and debating about this.

  • Conor

    Kobe at 33 being compared with players 27 & under… Testament to greatness. He may no longer be the best every night, but he certainly will be during the most meaningful games this approaching season.

  • Brahsef

    And LeBron can tell Kobe he needs to catch up on MVPs

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    I find it funny when people act as if Kobe piggy backed Shaq to 3 rings. Yes, because the Lakers would have gotten past San Antonio in 2001 without Kobe dropping series averages of 35, 7, 6 (something around those numbers), or closing out the Pacers, or making clutch free throws during numerous games while Shaq was on the bench due to his liabilities. Shaq was the best player on the team, yes, but you guys (especially here at SLAM) love to act as if Kobe played 5th fiddle on that team. Even in 2000, when he wasn’t even that good, Kobe was the second best player on the Lakers. By 2001-2002 he was putting up elite numbers with Shaq by his side, numbers that can be validated by a) his stats without Shaq in the starting lineup and b) his longevity. So what if he didn’t win MVP? Does that make Tim Duncan any less of a player cause Parker won one? Is Shaq less of a player cause Wade won one? Is Wade less of a player cause Lebron won one? Is Magic less of a player? Does it take away from Robinson that a sophomore Duncan won a Finals MVP in 99? No? Then stop bringing up that stupid point.

  • LA Huey

    LeBron: For now…

  • pposse

    From 99-02 kobe did win three rings with shaq, but if you were to ask which of the two players were more disposable than the other, it was obviously Kobe! Hey if you take home finals MVP you take home the lions share of the credit, its just the way it is…the travesty is that Kobe got finals MVP in 2010 when it should have been Pau! If that was the case, the argument would have been how delusional Kobe is and talking about 5 rings when he was finals MVP in one run. Shaq replaced Kobe with Wade, and had a great great chance to win two rings with the Heat. Kobe shot himself in the foot by letting Shaq walk; i still say to this day, any true winner would not have let Shaq walk from the Lakers.

  • Omar

    …And LeBron can remind him that he doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning another one.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    To everyone, Pierce won Finals MVP over Garnett. Does that mean Garnett was disposable or not necessarily the most valuable player on that team? Or (more intelligently), do you think it just means that Pierce played a better 7 game series at the time?

  • pposse

    if your not the “man” on your team, then its like your a role player. For example, when Robert Horry won his 7th ring he went on the radio and mentioned how “he had won more rings than scottie pippen and thats an accomplishment” haha Horry was no where near the level of a ball player Pip was yet he mentions Pip in his rhetoric like they are comparable. I dont think Kobe piggy backed shaq to the ring, but VC, AI, Tmac, all of these other good ball players back then could have/would have won three rings with shaq too imo

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    LeBron is a Champ now and Kobe shouldn’t disrespect him. And he won’t, but they wouldn’t be pro athletes if they didn’t have this competitive fire and numbers game going in their head all the time.
    I don’t care what people say about Shaq. I really don’t. We all know Kobe was just as important overall to the success of that three peat Laker squad.
    He’ll be 34 in 2 months BTW.
    Brasef, your right Bron should do that, I hope he does. I want an extremely motivated KB next year.
    Olympics are gunna be awesome! I want a CP3, Kobe, Durant, LBJ, Tyson starting lineup personally, how bout ya’ll?

  • Nate C

    Lebron plans to remind Kobe that he has less wrinkles than Koeb

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow, I think they should start Kevin Love instead of Tyson. But I doubt they will.

  • pposse

    thats the thing tho Caboose, everybody who watched the NBA with basic knowledge had the Celtics winning the championship that year, and im pretty sure they were favored in vegas. The Celtics lived up to the hype and they did it right away, Kobe’s Lakers definately did not live up to the hype. He is constantly surrounded by talent yet the team by all means underachieves. A true la lakers fan who have seen the Magic led lakers would be able to attest to that.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Co-sign Lakeshow.
    Yeah the Olympics will be dope.
    My starting line-up would be Deron, Kobe, KD, Bron and Tyson.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe fans are fanatical about defending his legacy. No other player has as rabid a fanbase. Why so touchy?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Really nbk… Weird we don’t see eye to eye on that seeing our positions on the players skills over the year. I think Tyson’s interior Defense is very important.
    You think it’s not as important to start the game as K-Loves stretch shooting and better rebounding?
    Or is this troll I am speaking with.
    I’m going to start calling the troll nbk Azazel after that annoying lil demon.
    GP, why D-Will over CP?

  • LA Huey

    Yeah, I like the Deron-Kobe-KD-LBJ-Tyson starting 5 as well.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I’m not the troll. I just don’t really care about defending the rim in the Olympics. USA’s perimeter defenders are too big and fast for a team to beat them at the rim. Plus with the international rule on goal-tending and KLove’s timing, he might be a better “rim protector” than anyone is anticipating. On offense, USA would be completely unguardable with Love. They WILL beat teams at the rim, so having a guy like Tyson who doesn’t do anything offensively but allow teams (opposing Centers) to just guard the basket is not really helping even a little bit.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Is it Deron’s shooting ability what ya’ll like or his size? I think CP3 is still slightly better even for international competition. He has more heart than everyone on the court and that means allot..

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I would consider starting Dwill only because of his size other than that it’s CP3 for me. As far as this thread is concerned some of y’all are getting butt hurt. This is just friendly competition just like on the Dream Team documentary where Magic didn’t want to relinquish the title to Jordan. I personally love this hopefully they will push each other.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Lake –
    I would pick Deron mainly for his slightly better jumper. His size helps as well as his ability to score anywhere around the key. I like Paul, I just think Deron would be more suited for the starting spot. Although, CP3 has better court vision. I just think with the tight zone defenses in Olympic competition, his shooting would be more valuable. Still, can’t complain if they go with CP3…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Chris Paul has a better jumpshot. IDK what y’all are talking about Deron having a better shot. That’s just false.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I feel you on the D-Will pick. Obviously there is no ‘wrong’ starting line-up for the most part unless they put Bron on the bench or something.
    You may have gotten me on your side with K-Love at Center nbk. Although with Spain… I still think Tyson is the best thing we have going for us.
    Can we call team USA ‘us’ or is that too inclusive JTaylor?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Chris Paul really is the better shooter. I think D-Will has better range on making(creating) his own shot, but CP3 is the more steady spot up shooter. I don’t know, it’s tough, but I feel CP3 is still a notch above in everything besides creating his own shot. Which is completely un-needed with this team.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I meant scoring ability, not ‘shooting ability’ in my 1:44 post.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    I disagree on the jumpshot if you include mid range and long distance.
    And Dwill is better at creating a jumper from scratch. But, CP3 midrange is filthy.

  • MJ

    Wow…the man can count too…awe inspiring stuff

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    My thing about Spain is, yes Marc Gasol (or Pau) will TORTURE Kevin Love, but Marc (or Pau) will have to guard LeBron, while the other stands next to Love. It’s not like you can really zone up, against a Zone, LeBron will have the ball and everyone else is a top notch 3pt shooter. This US team is scary.

  • LA Huey

    I like Deron shooting ability a little bit better and his ability to work off the ball. Considering, LeBron and KB are on the floor, I think guys that work well off the ball are important.

  • http://Lalaland.com Reggie06

    Crazy how suddently everyone on this page became lebron lover wow, i mean wow couple months ago u guys werw hatin on him

  • pposse

    T-Ray what makes this summer so much different than any other summer in the NBA?? Since 04 these guys have been spending summers wit each other on a regular basis!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Look at any % at any point in any place on the court. Chris Paul is a better shooter. Ability to create a shot is really a non-factor in this discussion. If you don’t have an open shot or glaring mismatch on this team someone else does.

  • McWill

    But Kobe only has one more Finals MVP over Lebron lol

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Pposse I have no clue how your comment relates to mine but I’ll try to respond. My comment was addressing the fact that it’s just competition and it helps when two of the best players in the league are competing hard against each other. That energy will spread to the others and it’ll make the game that much easier.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    True nbk. I was thinking about containing the Gasol’s, but scratch that. Good defense can be a good offense sometimes and a K-Love, James front court is absolutely indefensible*. We’ll see how the matchups go. Obviously for my eyes sake i’d love to watch Love playing more than Tyson. Loves game is just fun to me.

  • bike

    Just hoping USA breezes through the Games w/out any major injuries. This upcoming season is shaping up to be too good for any major player to be out. Get the gold, but take it easy boys.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    If only Rose..I mean yay Deron. But seriously, CP3 is a better fit as starter, although not quite sure who plays better D.

  • LA Huey

    I’m warming to the idea of Love at the 5 alongside LeBron. nbk has a good point about not needing an eraser when you’ve got great defensive on the wings. However, Tyson is also great at defending P&Rs.

  • pposse

    i dont kno man im just a little irritated with the NBA since 04..all the players have been working out/practicing with each other during their summers for like 10 years now…its getting a little old. Its hard to roote for one guy, and hate on another when those same players are making each other better in the off season. Practicing with other superstars just seems to be unheard of back in the 90′s 80′s 70′s or any other generation of bball. Its the olympics and its exciting, but we as fans should never have to worry about some foreign team beating the USA (again)..it would have been more exciting if none of these guys ever even spoke to each other in the previous offseasons and then combined to make this super team for this summer and then be done with it for another four years.

  • T-Money

    the starting line up is paul, kobe, kd, bron, chandler. that was the first team practicing plays when nba tv was shoowing footage. i’m not sure love will play all that much, coach k loves speed on defense. showing, hedging, recovering, closing out on shooters, creating turnovers. love doesn’t do any of these things. and with kd, bron and melo all seeing time at the 4 and perhaps even 5 spot, the need for shooting is not as great.

  • janice

    Dam kobe and the rest of the haters…let the man enjoy his championship…nobody rained on kobe parade….stop hateing kobe…you could not beat okc, kept blaming one else ecept himself…

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    But that’s the evolution of the game. Do I like it? Ehh I can take it or leave it. If it’s for the gold in the sense I was speaking about then I have no problem but for the NBA season I’d prefer more individual rivalries. Unfortunately the game is different now so you might not see individual rivalries as much. On the other hand it’s just basketball you can be competitive and still be friends. For example Jordan/Charles Hakeem/O’neal Bird/Magic

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    i think there are tons of individual rivalries. Bron and KD worked out together but it wasn’t like that stopped them from trying to destroy each other in the Finals.
    People think all these players hated each other. That’s a lie. They only hated Isiah Thomas. Lol.

  • triyo

    I thought it was pretty obvious that the 2 best players in the nba are LeBron and Durant now…Tyson just showing love for the old head

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Wish I could continue this convo y’all but got my earth science class. See y’all in 4 hours lol

  • pposse

    AllenP i beg to differ, i don’t have any stats to prove it or any real evidence to base any argument with you off of, but I dont think the stars of this day and age really can compete with the previous generations on a mental level. From a talent level, the guys right now are right there if not better, but just all around “nastiness” as Pop would say, i dont see it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Only some of the stars of yesteryear were “nasty.” People complained all the time about Isiah’s Bad Boys because they were too nasty and physical.
    Players in the 80s and 90s tended to have better shooting percentages, better post games and a better understanding of off the ball movement. They had much worse individual defense and much worse team defense, partially because of personal failings and partially because of the defensive rules.
    Today’s players are better conditioned, more athletic, better defenders as individuals and teams. I don’t know whether they are less “nasty.” I see tons of “nasty” players in the League.
    Nostalgia is tricky man.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    “I don’t have any real evidence to base any argument.” I’d suggest not making an argument then. If I had to guess, this kind of behavior has probably always gone on, but it’s been the evolution of social network, invasive reporting, and other things that allow us more insight into players’ private lives that has created the perception you see. Just a guess though.

  • pposse

    you know how some people say liquor is truth serum? Well truth serum in the NBA to me was wen players were allowed to hand check, some players would thrive and still do damage, while others were just mediocre. Nowadays all of these players have superior training staffs, workout regimens etc. they need something intro’d or reintro’d to the game as the great equalizer. My personal belief is that it would help build rivalries.

  • Skrill

    Koobe has 5. Lebron has 1. OKC has 3 players on this team…..

  • Bostonballer

    I bet the SLAM writers sit back and make bets on how pissed they can get you guys at each other with a simple headline or an innocent quote by a player. lmbo. What I took from the title and certainly from the article was that Kobe was going to tease LBJ a bit during practices. Players, friends, rivals, whatever..they do that and they have fun with it.

  • LA Huey

    The fans from today are rabid enough to make up for a percieved lack of disdain between rival players.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Kobe is the only player on the team that can do that to everyone. Kobe has earned his stripes, he is telling young buck bron any team can get lucky once, ask Dirk. Yo, Bron can you do it more than once. BOOK IT!!

  • GLEZGA Hamish

    Word is bond !

  • GLEZGA Hamish

    @Boston Baller that is

  • bike

    Officiating over time has played a role in eliminating some of the so called ‘nastiness’. The Malice in the Palace also played a part. Stern, ever the Dark Knight, has had some hand in how players are punished for percieved ‘nastiness’.
    The game changes as time moves on.

  • phil da windmill

    Man kobe just mad he ain’t get his six rings lol MJ is in charlotte smirking.

  • Trilla

    Kobe won three championships with one of the most dominant big man in NBA HISTORY, i’m not saying Kobe isnt GREAT but people forget how dominant Shaq really was. He also had help from players with Derek Fisher and Robert Horry and their amazing clutch shots. Also, one of those titles would not have been possible without the refs. People also forget that period of time where Kobe just kept complaining and at one point asked for a trade. Lebron will and always will be better than Kobe, even with one of the shi*tiest rosters in NBA history he led them to the NBA finals. He pulled what I call an “Iverson”, which is lead a horrible team to the finals literally with the whole team and city on your back.

  • Conoro

    No, people forget that Shaq was allowed to elbow & shoulder his way through defenders’ faces. I’m a Lakers fan, through & through, but I don’t get it twisted.

  • thenatural

    the difference is that kobe did the exact opposite of what lebron did… kobe had the help, but wanted to do it on his own… and he did. lebron was trying to do it on his own, but clearly could not -or- wasn’t patient enough.

    lebron is one of the greatest to play the game, but i still think he should’ve brought a championship to cleveland. had he done that, his legacy would be known as a pure leader as opposed someone who couldn’t hack it without two other all stars.

  • Jerome

    Haha. Kobe has less wrinkles in his game and on his face. I am an NBA fan no particular team … just love the game. Kobe is playing the game by telling L this. That is all.

  • http://blackamericaweb.com charliewinning

    Kobe did what on his own? Kobe has never won without an elite big man, and he WANTED Gasol. He couldn’t have won without him. To suggest otherwise is pure foolishness. No player wins on his own in basketball. Even Kobe knows this. Too bad some of his fans don’t.

  • alphabeta

    Yeah, and Kobe will also remind LBJ who the real rapist is. Now introducing the perennial adulterer, one time rapist and rat looking mfer Showbe “82 pt, 1 assist” Cryant.

  • Bernie

    No love for Durant? I bet he balls crazier then Lebron and Kobe

  • O54

    KB24 is getting his 6th ring and I bet you it will be this upcoming season. And who really cares about MVP’s, it all comes down to who has more talent, who can put the ball in the net in the final seconds of a game. I respect Lebron though.

  • high off haze

    at the end of the day, kobe , with his last 2 chips, did it without having another superstar with him…pau is an occasional all star, not a superstar…kobe avg’d 28 & pau avg’d 17..& now in the playoffs pau avg like 14…even shaq or lebron cant say that…nash will change all that…u dont wanna ever doubt kobe u should kno that by now…he is motivated on his goku now he will come back super seyan he is just in the hyperbolic time chamber rite now u dig me

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    Kobe has never made it out of the first round without an elite big man. Fact. Pau was top four power forward. Kobe doesn’t even make the Finals without him. What he is now is irrelevant because every player declines. The Lakers had the benefit of having a top 5 center for their second Shaq-less chip, the only team in the league with two elite 7 footers. Lebron took a bunch of bums to the Finals against the Spurs.

  • DC

    its not that kobe’s legacy is tarnished in any way by the fact that shaquille O’neal helped him win 3 of the rings he has (like someone above mentioned)..but you cant just forget about that when comparing kobe bryant to Lebron James because for the first 7 or 8 years of a 9 or 10 year career Lebron had no-one of Shaquille O’neals caliber to help with win a championship. Lets put it like this..kobe had shaq in shaqs prime and he won 3 rings, wade had a shaq that was not even in his ultra prime and he still won a championship..and if lebron had shaq in his prime (not the old one he got for 2009-10 season) then no doubt in my mind lebron would have multiple championships because we all seen what Lebron can do now. Kobe vs Lebron..whos better?..who cares..at the end of the day you could argue that any one of them is better..but just dont think you can use the amount of rings someone has to prove your point because it doesnt.

  • anonymous

    High off Haze u have twisted the fact that Kobe had argueably 2 of the best 3 centers in the league for his rings, Im not positive, but im pretty sure Pau was an all star both years, and odom maybe one.

  • anonymous

    2 of the best 3 centers for his latter rings*

  • joshuasymons

    Lebron has to say. i have one 3 mvp’s now who do you think is more valuable?

  • lisa

    Yall forget that Shaq played on one of the best starting 5 ever in Orlando, and still didn’t get anything done. Shaq needed Kobe and Kobe needed Shaq. Doesn’t matter what theory you try to come up with. TOGETHER they won 3… And could’ve won MORE if they acted like adults instead of little boys. When it’s all said and done.. It doesn’t matter how many All-star appearances, MVPs, fg%, ect. It’s all about championships.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I’m getting pretty tired of people acting like Kobe wasn’t an enormous factor in the Lakers’ 3-Peat with Shaq….like “Damn, how stupid are you?”.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    So Kobe isn’t great because he won with 3/5 with a superstar. But Lebron is legend even though he did it with two. Interesting. By the way I haven’t posted once on this thread. Douche troll.

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  • npa

    kobe is dick measuring with lebron?..probably kobe is jealous with what lebron is having right now..he should have retired 2 years ago probably people might want him so bad right now if he did it & preserve his legacy..Lakers just been hanging around in 2nd round for 2 straight years that’s already 2 slaps ( 1 from dirk(2011) & 1 from lebron(2012))

  • T-Money

    kobe’s rings are all valid but let’s not pretend that who the alpha dog is on a championship team doesn’t matter – it has always mattered. and it’s not necessarily about finals mvp because kg was the most important player for boston, and tf was for san an when they gave the finals mvp to parker. shaq was the most important laker during the 3peat and lebron was the most important player for miami this year. those are facts.

  • haslem

    I was there. The Laker’s were Shaq’s team those first three championships. Kobe was incredible, but anyone who watched those playoff games know Shaq was playing on a different level than anyone else at the time. No shame in being Robin to 99-02 Shaq get over it Kobe fans.

  • pposse

    if u replace Lebron with Kobe right now..the Lakers r the favorites to win the championship no doubt in my mind..Kobe on the Heat right now are not the favorites…Kenny smith was saying back in 2010 that if Lebron was on the Lakers instead of Kobe they would be in contention to win 70 games. Kobe is the inferior ball player, with the way the game is played a superior athlete (which Lebron is) will always have the advantage

  • J. Lee

    All of this talk about who has rings, how many rings you have etc is getting out of hand. We seem to forget this is still a team sport. If you dont have a good team around you, it will be hard to win that championship. In reality, a ring should not validate your career.

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    Fake nbk at 4:13 is so painfully fake…Co-sign T-Money.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    #trollbetter

  • Sérgio

    For you all sayin that KB was playin with a Top 5 center in his last 2 championships, I’d like you to remeber thar, in both 09 and 10, Bynum was coming back from injury, and was wll below his normal production. Check his stats:
    09 Playoffs: 6.3 Pts per game, 3.7 rebounds per game, 0.4 assists per game, 1 block per game.
    10 Playoffs: 8.6 Pts per game, 6.9 rebounds per game, 0.5 assists per game, 1.6 block per game.
    Well, this is production far away from what is expected from a top 5 center.
    Also, ok, in 2000, Shaq was clearly LA’s best players. But He wasn’t better than KB in 01 and 02. Check their numbers:

    01 regular season:
    Kobe: 28.5 pts, 5.9 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.7 steals.
    Shaq: 28.7 pts, 12.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 2.8 blks.

    01 Playoffs:
    Kobe: 29.4 pts, 7.3 rbs, 6.1 assists, 1.6 steals
    Shaq: 30.4 pts, 15.4 rbs, 3.2 assists, 2.3 blks.

    02 regular season:
    Kobe: 25.2 pts, 5.5 rbs, 5.5 assists, 1.5 steals
    Shaq: 27.2 pts, 10.7 rbs, 3.0 assists, 2.0 blks.

    02 Playoffs:
    Kobe: 26.6 pts, 5.8 rbs, 4.6 assists, 1.4 steals
    Shaq: 28.5 pts, 12.6 rbs, 2.8 assists, 2.5 blks.

    You can see that Shaq’s numbers were slightly better in the Playoffs. But remember: all 3 Lakers opponents in the Finals (IND, PHI, NJ) did not have great post defenders to contain Shaq. Also, the Eastern Conference was way worse at the time. The best teams in the league were all out west: Sacremento, San Antonio, Portland, Dallas. And Kobve carried LA thorugh the West. Actually, except for the Finals, KB had better averages than Shaq in the Playoffs. So stop with this bullsh@t talk that KB rode Shaq’s cottails.

  • http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/07/09/morning-tip-free-agency/index.html Allenp

    When David Aldridge says it, no one thinks he’s a hater. But when I say it…
    O’Neal was still good many nights, and occasionally great. Teams still had to game plan for him. But the Suns’ personnel was a mishmash of fast and slow. Nash was not a spot-up guy like a Derek Fisher, who would float to open spots on the court when Shaq or Kobe Bryant drew double-teams in L.A. and drain open threes. Nash and other holdovers from the D’Antoni days chafed at the slowdown pace Porter insisted on. If he couldn’t play at a fast pace, Nash knew, he was no better than any other heady but physically limited point guard.

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    SI.com had an ok article on Kobe this morning. In it he says he is the best post player on Team USA. He said he’s even better than Tyson Chandler, and that Tyson isn’t even in the conversation. Thoughts?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Well Tyson might be the worst post player on the roster. Its probably between Kobe and Carmelo, That’s how I feel.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sergio, why don’t you include shooting %? You know, the most important difference between Kobe and Shaq’s numbers…

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    @Nbk – Yes, because comparing a center’s shooting percentages to a SG really makes sense. Thank you Sergio for posting that. I’m not sure who insinuated the thought on here earlier, but Bynum was nothing close to a Top 5 center in the league in 2009 and 2010. He was barely playing in the playoffs. That tells me that a) you didn’t watch the Laker runs properly or b) you choose to spew generalities and hope it sticks to the wall. Kobe had less help on his two championships (Gasol was his main help, and he’s not even a lock to make the HOF) than Lebron did in the one he just won. As for not winning without an elite PF/C….the man took a roster that prominently featured Luke Walton to a 47-35 record in the Western Conference. I think that’s quite a feat in itself. Its amazing how much people go out of their way to slight every thing he has accomplished.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    @pposse – Of course the Lakers would be better with Lebron on the team. God damn. He’s in his prime, and was closer to his prime in 2010 than Kobe was to his. If you put 2005-2006 Kobe on the current Lakers team or even on the 2010 team, they would be a lock to make the Finals. Hell, Kobe on the outskirts of his prime 2008-2010 helped lead a team with the second best player as Pau (and a huge drop off after that since Bynum didn’t play in the playoffs often) to 3 straight Finals trips and 2 rings. I feel like people fault Kobe for having Shaq, despite the fact that he put elite numbers with Shaq by his side THAT HE KEPT UP post Shaq. Its one thing to say “oh he had Shaq” if his numbers drastically dropped post-Shaq, but they haven’t. He’s had similar numbers year in and year out since 2001.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    OTB – it makes no sense to include rebounds and assists either. Or PPG if you are going to ignore shot attempts and %. You can’t be ok with some of the stats and not others. Either all relevant data or none. Shaq was by far the better player. It wasn’t even relatively close. But he also would not have won without Kobe.

  • thenatural

    gasol is no better than chris bosh. if lebron had won it solely with bosh i would compare his championship to the one kobe won with gasol.

    point being, shaq was a superstar and kobe kept up – then shaq left and kobe won it with a heavily downgraded big man.

    lebron is playing with one gasol-calibar player and a superstar in dwade.

    kobe’s title = more impressive than lebron’s title.

    enough said.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No, Shaq left and Kobe didn’t make the playoffs. Revisionist history is fun and all, but it took A premiere big man (Gasol) to get Kobe over the hump. Every player needs other great players to win. Those Lakers teams 08/09-09/10 were the biggest most talented two way team in both their title season. This years Heat was the most talented two way team this season. Which squads of those are better is just opinion.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    COSIGN
    Sérgio Posted: Jul.10 at 10:51 am
    For you all sayin that KB was playin with a Top 5 center in his last 2 championships, I’d like you to remeber thar, in both 09 and 10, Bynum was coming back from injury, and was wll below his normal production. Check his stats:
    09 Playoffs: 6.3 Pts per game, 3.7 rebounds per game, 0.4 assists per game, 1 block per game.
    10 Playoffs: 8.6 Pts per game, 6.9 rebounds per game, 0.5 assists per game, 1.6 block per game.
    Well, this is production far away from what is expected from a top 5 center.
    Also, ok, in 2000, Shaq was clearly LA’s best players. But He wasn’t better than KB in 01 and 02. Check their numbers: 01 regular season:
    Kobe: 28.5 pts, 5.9 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.7 steals.
    Shaq: 28.7 pts, 12.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 2.8 blks. 01 Playoffs:
    Kobe: 29.4 pts, 7.3 rbs, 6.1 assists, 1.6 steals
    Shaq: 30.4 pts, 15.4 rbs, 3.2 assists, 2.3 blks. 02 regular season:
    Kobe: 25.2 pts, 5.5 rbs, 5.5 assists, 1.5 steals
    Shaq: 27.2 pts, 10.7 rbs, 3.0 assists, 2.0 blks. 02 Playoffs:
    Kobe: 26.6 pts, 5.8 rbs, 4.6 assists, 1.4 steals
    Shaq: 28.5 pts, 12.6 rbs, 2.8 assists, 2.5 blks. You can see that Shaq’s numbers were slightly better in the Playoffs. But remember: all 3 Lakers opponents in the Finals (IND, PHI, NJ) did not have great post defenders to contain Shaq. Also, the Eastern Conference was way worse at the time. The best teams in the league were all out west: Sacremento, San Antonio, Portland, Dallas. And Kobve carried LA thorugh the West. Actually, except for the Finals, KB had better averages than Shaq in the Playoffs. So stop with this bullsh@t talk that KB rode Shaq’s coattails.

  • http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/07/09/morning-tip-free-agency/index.html Allenp

    Like I said, Kobe fans are the most rabid defenders of his legacy. I have never seen fans as intent on proving the greatness of a player they support. It’s amazing.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    @AllenP – When casual fans (and otherwise, as this site shows) continually keep saying things generally (i.e, Kobe was a role player during the 2000-2002 run, etc) for years and years, it gets grating. No, Kobe was not the best player during those title runs, but its just annoying how if fans of Bean try to defend him, we’re labeled as being over-the-top, yet people do the same thing on here for Lebron, Iverson, etc, they’re perfectly rational. And yes, some Laker fans are dumb, but that’s likely because they were probably born in the late 90s or early 2000s.

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    Name 5 centers that were better than Bynum in the Lakers’ second post Shaq championship. Lebron dominated his championship series on both ends of the floor. He also did it more efficiently. No one is taking anything away from Kobe, but let’s not make it seem like Kobe carried a bunch of bums on his back. He didn’t.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    JTaylor – Bynum barely contributed during those playoff runs. He had some good games here and there, but he wasn’t a consistent factor (moreso because he was constantly tweaking or injuring something), and he definitely wasn’t as polished as he was last year. In 2010, Bynum only played 65 games and wasn’t considered a viable option due to his inconsistency and because of his injury history. In 2010, these centers were better: Bogut (15/10 average), Kaman (18/9), Nene (about the same types of numbers, but played all 82 games), Al Horford, Brook Lopez (18/9), Noah (10/11).

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    Bynum, up until last year’s performance, was purely potential based. Nobody knew what to expect from him aside from a yearly injury.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    OTB ruling the thread.
    Seed, you just copied and pasted a comment that was like 10 above yours. You crack me up dude.

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    Injuries aside you can’t minimize his importance in 2010′s run. 1st off, only Kaman and Lopez had dramatically better ppg on a teams without a scorer of Kobe’s caliber and a second option like Gasol. Bynum averaged similar rebounding stats that whole year and into the playoffs. Their blocks were pretty much around the same. His postseason play suddenly doesn’t count? Are you kidding? Let’s not act like his play wasn’t why everyone was so high on him. Defensively he was of huge importance. Downplaying Kobe’s team to big him up is just stupid. Objective observers are the only people who seem to realize this. Hero ball didn’t win Kobe a single ring. Talented teams did.

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    I will re-state the fact that Kobe never won a single round without and elite big.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I will state this fact, Magic Johnson never won with out All-Start and Super-Star and HOF talent.
    I will state this fact, Larry Bird never won with out ‘see above’…
    I will state this fact ‘see above for the following’
    LeBron James
    Dwayne Wade
    Michael Jordan
    Wilt
    Russell
    Shaq
    KAJ
    Dirk
    Jason Kidd
    Payton
    Malone
    Barkley
    List goes on and on and on…
    .
    Taylor, stop embarrassing yourself by hating on Bean so much. Bynum was a lousy center in the playoffs those years. Period.
    Pau was real good, but not great consistently. Odom had his moments. Kobe was the solid steady rock through out those finals runs and was player option 1b for the teams with Shaq. Those are the FACTS.
    Shall we start discounting others legacies now too? I’m down. As long as were consistent.

  • Sérgio

    Cosign Lakeshow and OTB.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He wasn’t 1B with Shaq. He was number 2. As much as y’all want Taylor to give respect to Kobe’s latter titles, y’all need to give Shaq his respect. Kobe was just as inconsistent as Pau.

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    Hating? Since when is not having a Kobe fanboy view hating? I never said no one else won without help. In fact, that was my whole point. I’m not going to sit here and follow the Kobe hero ball myth. Kobe had lots of help. Other individual players have dominated their championship runs more than he has. Not saying his rings are less valid than anyone else’s, but to act like he carried bums to championship rings is straight up revisionist nonsense. Y’all can downplay his teammates all you want. It won’t change reality.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sh*t Lakeshow you were calling Pau the best 4 in the league when they were winning those titles. You forget that?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No one has ever carried bums to championships.
    You two have it twisted.
    Shaq was more dominant than Kobe, but being dominant does not make one better or more important to the team. Although Shaq was more important than Kobe overall. Hence 1b. Reason why he is 1 b and not 2 is because he was by far the 2nd most important player on the team (BY FAR) and was the most important player when it came to getting an individual basket down the stretch. He also made his FT’s at a 80% clip which is huge compared to Shaq’s 55%. Shaq shot 300 FT’s in one of the playoff runs and made only 140 of them. Shaq was a widely flawed player per his dominance.
    Shaq did the things Kobe could not.
    Kobe did the things Shaq could not.

  • HimKing

    blitzsportsnetwork.com
    /2012/06/kobe-bryant-vs-lebron-james-comparison-updated-in-2012/
    Article points out in a clear and impartial fashion why lebron james with 1 ring has a better overall career than kobe with 5.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk, He was (or Dirk)… Doesn’t mean he wasn’t streaky and inconsistent (remember the Charmin?).
    Taylor, your just plain dumb (your not so just admit Bynum was nothing then) if you think Bynum was anything more than 4th or 5th most important player to the team during those three finals runs.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq was still far and away a better basketball player. Arguing that point does nothing but render your opinion irrelevant. Kobe could make free throws!!! Shaq could guard the f*cking basket. What seems more important? K bye.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    lol. later girlio.

  • http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/07/09/morning-tip-free-agency/index.html Allenp

    I’m not sure why Kobe fans find it so hard to admit that he won five rings with stellar talent compared to the rest of the League. Now compared to other HOFs, he’s right on target outside of say Isiah Thomas.
    Kobe has had great talent, and he’s been a great talent. He’s top 15 all-time. But, he has obvious flaws like every player. No matter how many rings he wins, that’s not going to change. Everyone who watched basketball during the Lakers run recognizes what Kobe’s role was, what his strengths were, and what his failings were too.
    It is a shame we have to get into these pointless arguments about dude still.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’m not sure why people who hate fans of Kobe, find it hard to admit that we don’t think he won without stellar talent lol…
    LeBron is one of the greatest at winning without massive talent and he needed D-Wade and Bosh to get a ring.
    I don’t know why you bring up Thomas. Isiah’s teams were straight up STACKED. 20+ PPG scorer Mark Aguirre. HOF’er Adrian Dantley. Joe Dumars… The Microwave… Bill Lambeer, Rick Mahorn, Dennis Rodman, and John Salley… lol. Yeah no talent there.
    Kobe is like every other top 10-15′er, your right…
    Flawed, and still one of the greatest of all time.

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    “gasol is no better than chris bosh. if lebron had won it solely with bosh i would compare his championship to the one kobe won with gasol. point being, shaq was a superstar and kobe kept up – then shaq left and kobe won it with a heavily downgraded big man. lebron is playing with one gasol-calibar player and a superstar in dwade. kobe’s title = more impressive than lebron’s title. enough said.”…..”at the end of the day, kobe , with his last 2 chips, did it without having another superstar with him…pau is an occasional all star, not a superstar…kobe avg’d 28 & pau avg’d 17..& now in the playoffs pau avg like 14…even shaq or lebron cant say that…nash will change all that…u dont wanna ever doubt kobe u should kno that by now…he is motivated on his goku now he will come back super seyan he is just in the hyperbolic time chamber rite now u dig me”…This are the types of comments that give Kobe fans a bad name.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Why would we give that comment the time of day though?
    It’s obviously a child.
    I don’t argue with non-regulars.
    Do your thing though. Go after those “Kobe fans.”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Pau Gasol — 2009-10 Playoffs — 19.6PPG – 11.1RPG – 3.5APG – 2.1BPG – .538FG%
    .
    Pau Gasol — 2008-09 Playoffs — 18.3PPG – 10.8RPG – 2.5APG – 1.95BPG – .580FG%
    .
    lol

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Your back girl scout.
    Gasol was awesome. I probably made it sound like he wasn’t. He was. But he was inconsistent. He had plenty of 10 point games on 35% shooting during both those runs. He also had plenty of games where he didn’t seem as if he was “leaving it all on the table.” Hence why he earned his Soft label. Kobe had bad games also. So i’m being to hard on Gasol. My bad for that. Point being, that yes, Gasol is a very good player, but he is no where close to what Shaq was. Him and Bynum together don’t equal Shaq. Bynum was lousy during those two chips and Kobe had to be the unquestioned man of the team and proved that he was and that they could win with him being that guy. Which many people (allot of folks on here) said he couldn’t do, without Shaq.

  • http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/07/09/morning-tip-free-agency/index.html Allenp

    Lakeshow
    I really find it hard to take your seriously in a discussion when you create strawman arguments.
    Isiah Thomas’s talent was less than many of the all-time greats. That was my point. If you disagree, fine, but at least clearly state my point, don’t assign me an asinine argument so you can feel better about what you’re saying.
    Kobe was the second best player on those Lakers team with Shaq. He’s the second best two guard of all-time. Unless Wade and Bron go crazy in the next few years, both of those things will not change.
    He shot a lot, he missed a lot. He made a lot. He played good defense, he played horrible defense. He won with talent, he won a lot less without talent.
    What is so hard to grasp? Dude’s place in history is pretty much set. He’s not passing Jordan, ever. And it’s unlikely that any other two guard is leapfrogging him. Now, his rank among all of the greatest players of all time is still in flux, but he’ll probably end up around 10-13 depending on how you feel about Hakeem, Duncan and Isiah Thomas.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    (my comment about Pau was not directed at you, for the record. I know you know how good he was, I was just posting it for those that think he became a lesser player during the playoffs)
    .I never said Gasol and Bynum equaled Shaq. Kobe was far and away the best player on those 2 titles team.. Just like Shaq was on their 3 title teams. Not even remotely close for either of them. And that little 3 year run from Kobe was about as good (statistically) as Jordan’s second 3pt was. I’ll even post the stats.
    .
    .Here are Jordan’s playoff averages from 1996-98 when the Bulls won three championships:

    - 1996: 30.7 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 4.1 apg, .459 FG%, .403 3FG%, .818 FT%
    - 1997: 31.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 4.8 apg, .456 FG%, .194 3FG%, .831 FT%
    - 1998: 32.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.5 apg, .462 FG%, .302 3FG%, .812 FT%
    .
    .Here are Bryant’s playoff averages from 2008-10 when the Lakers made three straight trips to the Finals and won two championships:

    - 2008: 30.1 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.6 apg, .479 FG%, .302 3FG%, .809 FT%
    - 2009: 30.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5.5 apg, .457 FG%, .349 3FG%, .883 FT%
    - 2010: 29.2 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg, .458 FG%, .374 3FG%, .842 FT%
    .
    My opinion of Kobe has always remained consistent. I (well i guess everyone feels they do) don’t overrate or underrate Kobe. He was quite possibly the best second fiddle of all-time (him, Kareem, or Scottie) and will end up close to (and in some LOGICAL people’s opinion will be) a top 10 player. Kobe should get the brunt of the player credit for his latter 2 titles. He needed great bigs to win it, but that doesn’t take away that he was the best player by far, on those teams.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    We’re not even arguing. We all agree for the most part. I just like Kobe the player more. That’s the only difference I see here.
    Allen, your asking me whats so hard to grasp. Nothing. We both grasp fully whho and what Kobe is. I just like him more.
    Listen it’s fine if you want to call Kobe the #2 guy on those teams with Shaq. It’s fine, because it’s true. If your not number 1, your number 2. I just recognize how important he was and don’t want that to be understated. I hate people trying to undermine Kobe. Yesterday someone was saying that Vince Carter or T-Mac could’ve won those chips with Shaq.
    Even if that’s true it’s just stupid to bring up. Kobe could have possibly won those 6 chips as MJ’s replacement. I’m not going to bring that up because it’s a pointless argument. Kobe is not as good as MJ. Vince and T-Mac are not as good as Kobe. Those are the facts. Everyone wants to take things away from Kobe( ie, Team mates talent, coaching, system, organization) but if you start doing that you have to start doing that with everyone else. And that’s dumb IMO.

  • Bostonballer

    Wow… I couldn’t read everything but my mind is boggled by the comments. lol You would think that Kobe, LBJ or whomever were our spouses or brothers…some fans defend players more seriously than they do their own families. It is fun though. lol

  • Sérgio

    Kobe IS top 10 all time. There is no discussion.

  • http://slamonline.com JTaylor21

    Top 15.

  • Bruce

    Perhaps LBJ should remind Kobe that Kobe has never even been out of the first round of the playoffs without Shaq or after Shaq was gone at least two and sometimes three dominating players 6″11 or over 7 feet. Kobe and his fanboys have two claims to fame the five titles none of which he has won without dominating big men and his “clutch” shooting that when examined closely and in the light of percentage made is at best league average. With the teammates he has had,had he utilized them more instead of just relying on them to rebound and put back his bad shots the Lakers should never have been in so many games that were decided by last second shots in the first place. A lot of those games went down to the wire because Kobe helped opponents come back by trying to pad his scoring stats in games that looked like a run away by the third quarter.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Pretty much co-sign^, only reason why not fully, is it comes down to peoples preferences, not so much about how talented the ball players are.
    I would take Kobe over Duncan. Some would have Duncan over Kobe. I can understand, but do not adhere to that point of view.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I still have never heard a logical argument for why someone would take Kobe over Duncan. For the Record.

  • Ragda Ed

    LeBron just MIGHT get his 2nd ring,, but he’s going to have to WAIT until June, 2014 (or later) before that happens. REASON for that: A certain Western Conference team is going to WIN it all in June, 2013. No,, it’s NOT going to be the OKC Thunder,,, and No,, it’s NOT going to be the Lakers either (sorry guys)! ! The Dirk Nowitzki-lead (Rick Carlisle-coached,,, Mark Cuban-owned) Dallas MAVericks are going to achieve their SECOND NBA Championship rings,, in June of next year! Now just HOW is that going to happen? Well the MAIN thing is,, the Dallas Mavericks of today are more or less “playing possum” (mainly by doing seemingly dumb moves such as letting Jason Kidd,, Jason Terry,, and Lamar Odom,,, GO,, to other teams). OK,, while all THAT may be true,, the Mavericks (in the meantime) are planting themselves into EXCELLENT position to acquire various (very highly potent) FREE Agents,, between now and next season (not to mention all those draft picks the Mavs still hold resulting from their trade with Cleveland). If there ever was a dark horse in ANY sport (throughout sportsworld history) it would be the current Dallas Mavericks! Anyway,,, look for the BOYs from “BIG-D” to come BLASTing forward,,, to TAKE this upcoming NBA Season by Storm,,, and to (eventually) WIN the next NBA Championship!

  • George Zulu

    Come on guys why all this debate about rings. The bottom truth will remain the best after Jordan and Magic for now until Lebron gets his 5th ring is the disputable Kobe.

  • pposse

    nbk why are you bringing out stats when comparing two players of different generations? Different generations = different rules. I don’t see how stats are relevant anymore when cross comparing stars of different generations. If the rules of the game changed then would that not impact the individual players stats? When Jordan left the NBA the NBA did whatever it could to keep their fan base, so they promoted offense by manipulating the rules and as a result offensive stats ballooned. If anything you should put a weight on MJs stats to account for the rule changes. Plus, Pau Gasol did real work in the 10 finals, thats not to say Kobe didn’t have a better all around playoffs, but it is definately debatable who should have won the finals MVP that year.

  • pposse

    *now that i looked back at the post i do see u preface “statistically”

  • Mrnba

    Kobe is the 2nd best player ever and always will be lebron will be 3 when its all said and done. Kobe will be all-time points leader and will have atleast 7 rings considering Dwight is on his way to LA and all the talk about players playing with other great players is irrelevant jus do your research and you will see every great player has had another great player or players on his team. Just respect kobes greatness and watch lebron as he tries to match it.

  • http://gmail.com z

    allenp keeps on mentioning that kob’s fans are “the most rabid in defending his legacy,” to that i would say that kob’s critics are more rabid in discrediting any/everything he does than anyone else’s critics and also, that if you apply common sense to this debate, then you realize that by and large, “fans” are going to defend the players whom they LIKE, and criticize the players they DISLIKE. So by and large, the folks who make a point of criticising kob/bron all the time, are just making arguments to try and support their gut feeling about them. (obviously that reveals a stunning lack of intellectual integrity, but i digress…intellectual integrity is something increasingly rare, especially in mainstream/social media). to sum up: a fan of the GAME, and not just of specific players knows that yes kob’s got 5 to bron’s 1, but bron’s gonna get at least one or two more, so he’s just having fun with him. There’s really a lot of stupid people in the world

  • http://gmail.com Gangsta

    Ma advice to Kobe is 2 leave Labronda alone.

  • high off haze

    there is no logical explination for these lebron heads to try to put down kobe…it is proven that pau shrinks in the playoffs…u see his avg..he has an occasional 20+ game but for the majority he is under his avg…& how can yall say he had 2 of the best 3 when bynum just somewhat matched his potential this yr, when we won in 2010 he was still hobbled & he couldnt play no more than 15 mins a game…this is not nba2k this is real life..bynum was not even relevant or not even playing due to injury until this past season….& i dont care what anybody says if u are a real fan u kno pau is not a superstar, he is highly skilled big man but he is not a superstar…superstar means u can single handly carry a team, and u cant tell me u would rely on pau to be the focal point of your team…if u had to rely on pau to initiate the offense or make the big plays down the stretch go ahead…smh these lebron cats be cracking me up…no hating lebron, but dont ever mention him & kobe in the same sentence about who had it easy

  • high off haze

    & u cant even compare the playoffs the east is a cake walk..the #12 team in the west would be a 6th seed in the east…let the lakers play the bobcats, cavs, nets, 4 times a yr

  • ilovelakers

    Lebron James?? come on guys! are you guys joking?? yes,he might get a ring but that doesn’t prove that his better than Kobe. you guys are comparing a 5 times nba champ to a choke? jamees might have win a champ but he still cant shoot a winning shot!

  • http://ellusionent@yahoo.com Jde

    Kobe is the most overated player in the nba he is no jordan cant even touch jordan and now he wants to talk trash about 5 rings lol. three of them you would never got without shaq. you could have put any star on that lakers team the would have won. look at it like this. put kobe in clev what do you have??? they wouldnt even make out the first round of the playoffs. put lebron on the lakers???? 6 7 8 rings! two ppl took a nobody team to the finals iverson and lebron. kobe cant ever in life do that1

  • Darryl

    no all lebron had to do was leave the team tht drafted him kobe and jordan didnt have to do tht to go play with 2 guys who had always been the best players on their teams and then surround tht with guys who can shoot threes and refs who didnt call anything on him the entire playoffs ….. yeah hes fricken awesome

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  • http://www.facebook.com/shooting.guard.319 Shooting Guard

    i love kobe but i wish he knew the difference between confidence and cockiness

  • Ball

    You say Kobe wouldn’t have got them without Shaquille and Jordan also had a top 50 player on his squad (pippen) Jordan is still better but people in general gotta stop with this he had help bullshit. Unless its lebron of course

  • Edgar

    Lol didnt James win one with wade, bosh?

  • Reggie Brown

    r u serious !! look what Kobe walk into , a team of stars , look what Chicago surrounded Jordan with , a stars , now look what Lebron had the whole time in Cleveland , NOTHING !!! before Jordan got help they never made it to the finals or out the 1st round . without Jordan Scottie took them all the way to eastern conf. finals . Lebron took his team to fhe finals single handed and u still want to brag on Kobe and Jordan ?

  • john

    get the f@ck outta here. The best players in the game say kobe is one of the greatest ever. do you watch him play? he still is making people look shitty 17 years later, 17 years!!!!!!!!

  • Casen Matthews

    Yeah he won this one with a severely hurt wade and a somewhat hurt bosh may I also mention that at some points bosh was a little unproductive

  • Casen Matthews

    Nah I think he want his second ring in June 2013 buddy. Sorry OKC bye bye

  • Mike Alonso

    Yeah, but it the Bulls some time to get that great coach and stronger supporting cast. Jordan paid his dues in the early yrs.

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