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Monday, July 23rd, 2012 at 10:40 am  |  67 responses

LeBron James Plans to Become More of a Post Player


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

For years, critics screamed for LeBron James to take advantage of his physical gifts and punish defenders in the low post.

This past season, James finally listened, and it helped lead to an NBA championship for the Miami Heat. Going forward, LeBron says that he will be in the post a lot more.

From a Q&A with HoopsHype:

You took fewer three-pointers this season. LJ: “I just changed my approach. I decided to stay away from the three-point line and going to the post. Make it a little bit easier for myself and for my teammates. I got more and more comfortable going down there and it was a success.” How do you think your game is going to evolve in upcoming seasons? Are you going to become more of a post player? LJ: “I can see that happening. I feel very comfortable down there, more comfortable than I’ve ever felt in my career. So I would see myself down there a lot more, and work my game from there.”

You became an unpopular player among many NBA fans once you signed with the Heat. Did you make a conscious effort to change that, to become more liked by people? LJ: “I don’t care if I’m more liked or more wanted by people. People are going to have opinions about me no matter what. For me, as a player, I’ll try to do what it takes to win, and off the court I am who I am. I can’t change what people think about me.” Do you feel people like you more now? LJ: “I don’t know. I don’t go searching for it.” […] How would you define your career in one word? LJ: “Not satisfied. I’m not done. I’m 27, 10 years in… I don’t have a word for my career right now.”

This is a natural (and logical) step for players to take as they evolve. Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant posted up more and more as they aged, and those guys turned out OK.

LeBron James has the added advantage of seeking out the post before he loses any of his athletic gifts, which is very bad news for the rest of the League.

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  • pposse

    if lebron develops a crazy mid range jumper along with his post up game, he might just start dropping 50 pts in games at a more rapid rate.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    If I had a $1 for every post that devolves into a LBJ/KB/MJ/Darko greatness debate, I’d be Prokhorov.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The key for him has always been comfort level. He had a decent post game (fadeaway/turnaround shot) in Cleveland, he just didn’t go down there on a consistent enough basis.
    Also, playing in the post more means more offensive rebounding chances. Which is something despite his size/strength, LeBron never did with the cavs.

  • http://Slamonline.com Jzakoni

    LBJ could just as easily be karl malone as he could magic or mike, this a bad man right here

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Smart move.

  • http://WWW.BENNY.COM BIG MONEY

    About Damn time

  • T-Money

    jtaylor – that’s a very good point, lebron was relentless on the offensive boards in the playoffs, that was something completely new for him. hakeem touched on that too when he said that lebron already knew the moves they were working on last summer but it’s an entirely different thing to go to these moves when the game is on the line.

  • neaorin

    Feels like we get this story every offseason.

  • justin05

    Any basketball player out there should become more of a post player. it’s a part of the game. Anyway, Lebron said this last year and he improved so watch out, he might just be the king.

  • pposse

    the guy who wrote this article is accurate with his statement “this is a natural step for players to take as they evolve” – my only issue with this is why does developing a post game have to be a step? Why don’t the kids who just get into the NBA (specificall wing players) already have a defined post game? The speed and quickness is great and fun to watch, but more often than not you win games in the post. This is the most fundamental of all fundamentals along with the midrange jumper. It shouldn’t take any player more than 1 NBA season to realize they need to work on their post up game IMO.

  • James Aka…

    slow clap for an underappreciated Nick Tha Quick

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk Troll

    LBJ is a POWER FORWARD! He is the same height as elton brand(PF) & weight as stat(PF). He should live in the paint and use his other skills to break down defenses.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    After reading the Shock Exchange’s “LeBron Rules … keys to stopping LeBron James,” LeBron has cut down on his 3-point attempts and improved his midrange game. He is now the best basketball player on the planet.

  • Matt Park

    @pposse
    You don’t win games in the post…at all.
    Why are less players posting up? Partly because teams don’t have the necessary players, but also because defenses are much smarter than in the ’80s. Look at the way stats are being recorded, how help defenses have developed, how clean the defensive rotations are consistently for the good defensive teams, not to mention how more athletic and long players in general are. Teams have stats for how a player does when he spins right, when he takes X amount of dribbles, etc, not to mention stats that fans don’t have access to. Unless your post player can consistently spot a double AND know the rotations well enough to throw the pass or your post player can through by going away (or through sometimes) the double, then it becomes hard for the team to score on a post play.
    Of course, you can argue that players don’t the necessary skills. However, it takes specific kinds of players to really be successful in the post. Why would you have a wing player to play in the post? It’s going to ruin spacing unless you have a bigman who can hit the outside shot and that’s assuming that your wing player is good enough to need a double. Look at Andre Miller. Miller’s a good post player because he’s good enough to need a double and he can spot the rotations and make the correct pass. A lot of players just aren’t suited to playing in the post.

  • jinolin

    Is he taking a note from MJ’s career?

  • pposse

    this past summer Miami won the title and Lebron was very successful with his post ups. San Antonio won 4 rings and their best and most important players in those runs is a post up ball player. The lakers won 5 rings with the triangle offense which is primarily an iso post up offense. And if you look in the past like you mentioned in the 80′s post ups won games. I dont think that players are more athletic than before necessarily, i think thats unfair for us to judge. Back in those days, you would get mauled for going into the paint, nowadays players get free passes in the paint. Do you think this superior athelticism that is displayed now would be noticed if the defensive rules were still as aggressive as they were in the 80s?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The defensive rules are more difficult today than in the 80s.
    Read the NBA rulebook and study what illegal defense used to mean. When you double teamed, you had to return to the player you left. The defense couldn’t rotate the same way it can today. You couldn’t slide people and play little backside zones. You had to either double, or stay home, and if you doubled, you were forced to run all the way back across the court to get back to your man.
    When you combine the athletes of today with the defensive schemes of today, it makes defense very difficult, although not as physical.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^ which is why I love the “Michael would average 40 in today’s NBA” Bullsh*t

  • pposse

    **i mean to say the defensive player (not rules) were more aggressive back in the day as opposed to nowadays. Hence why i don’t really think that is up to any of us to say the athletes now are more athletic than before. For example, if kevin durant blows by his guy and meets Bill Laimbeer at the cup, Laimbeer will make sure he tomahawk chops KD to the floor. Next thing you know, KD does not go in the paint on that same blow by move for a dunk, he will stop to shoot the midrange shot instead. This part of his game gets a ‘limited display window’ for all watching. Athletisicm is primarily determined on how high you can jump. There are a gang of athletes nowadays, but two of the top 5 all time dunkers were MJ and Domnique, and most will put Dr. J in there too. I personally am not a proponent to this notion that basketball athletes have tremendously evolved. The game might have, but not the players.

  • ReHeat

    “You don’t win games in the post…at all.”

    Good one matt, you are a bona fide NBA historian with a gem like that.

  • ReHeat

    “Why are less players posting up? Partly because teams don’t have the necessary players” @matt, So basically u r reiterating what pposse said. If these players came into the league with post game then teams WOULD have the necessary players to post up. Also your point of advanced stats makes no sense. Just because the scouting report lets u know a guys go to moves (which are by no means secret in the NBA) it still comes down to defending those moves. The skyhook is the most obvious example I can think of.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Some players refuse to go to the holes after a hard foul and other players don’t.
    Athletic ability means jumping ability, speed, quickness and coordination.
    Not only are more players more athletic today, but the training regimens are vastly improved. Players are in better shape and take better care of their bodies. Nique and Jordan, in their time, were physical outliers. Today, their level of physical talent isn’t the norm, but the norm isn’t as far away. But, most people really don’t believe this to be true.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    ^^ I wonder if Argentina “believes this is true.” They didn’t seem to be awed by today’s players’ athletic abililty and vastly improved training regimens.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you realize the Argentina players know and use todays improved training regimens? wait, nevermind. carry on, college boy.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    So you agree with my previous statement – Argentina does not “believe this to be true,” probably because it’s not true.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no dumbass, they know it’s true. it’s why they compete now and aren’t a bum festival like the rest of the world used to be.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Who said they should be awed?
    The US has a team of guards and forwards and the only inside player can’t score on his own.
    And they were still up by 20 after starting the game winning 13-1.
    You have to do better man. Do better. Think things through, it will only help you.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    After being attacked personally, the Shock Exchange has seen the light – “Argentina’s has superior athleticism on par with the U.S.” And the whole time the Shock Exchange thought Argentina nearly won because it imposed a slow, deliberate style of play onto the Americans.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    are you retarded? – the Argentina players being an example of improved training regimens. They didn’t get blown out by much more athletic american players BECAUSE of improved training regimens – which also include training in basketball skills. sorry i didn’t spell that last part out for you.
    .
    Let me try and make this “shock exchange literate”
    .
    “They didn’t seem to be awed by today’s players’ athletic abililty and vastly improved training regimens.” —
    .The Argentina players are part of “todays players” – so they also benefit from the athletic ability that is obtained through “vastly improved training regimens”
    .
    It’s not just Americans who practice these things. Argentina isn’t on a different planet. American athletic training practices aren’t a government secret. The sport of basketball is not only practiced in the United States and has become a global game.
    .
    SO Logically, (assuming one possesses the ability to use logic) it would make sense to assume the Argentina team (which featured 4 NBA players) is as physically prepared (in terms of training) as the USA players. Are they athletic/skill equivalents? Obviously not. But they didn’t win, or really threaten to win the game.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    The Shock Exchange gets it now. “Players more athletic today … the training regimens are vastly improved” because you say so. And no matter what empirical evidence the Shock Exchange offers to the contrary – the U.S. 6th place finish in the 2002 FIBA World ‘chip where they lost to Argentina, Yugloslavi and Spain or in 2004 when they lost to Puerto Rico, Lituania and Argentina – the Shock Exchange should still take your word for it.

  • Feez_22

    International basketball is vastly improved from what it was in the 80s-90s . Its no coincidence that the best south american 2 ever play basketball (Ginobili IMO) and the best european to ever play basketball (Dirk IMO) play in this era. of course, the greatest african 2 play (hakeem) is still unmatched. Yet the collection of american players we have now and the state of basketball according to most has regressed from what it was in the 80s and 90s. The world has caught up nicely to our beautiful game. international basketball can compete with american basketball now. it is what it is. there is more international stars in the game 2day than there were in the 80s-90s so its only logical that they have caught up. only if kyrie played in his birth country australia… i could have proved my point even more… damn australia probably could be a medal contender with kyrie… what could have been

  • pposse

    athletes can only get to be so damn good. I mean is there not a peak athletic wise? For all that think that the athletes of these days are better than the athletes of the past, i must ask, what will the athletes of the year 2030 bring to the table? How much better will those athletes be than the ones in 2012? Will they be able to dunk from the 3 pt line? Will it be the norm for nba ball players to dunk from the free throw line?

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    pposse, Athletes of the year 2030 will be vastly superior to athletes of today. Not because it’s true, but because certain people on this site say so … you’ll just have to take their word for it.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_high_school_gyms_in_the_United_States nbk

    probably won’t be a huge athletic difference pposse. it’s not that the best athletes are so much better then they used to be, it’s that the majority are so much closer to the “best” athletes than they used to be. athletic training is really a young concept. Before Michael Jordan for example, it was not a common practice for basketball players to train during the off-season, especially weight training. Before that, many sports (aside from Football – which I don’t know a ton about) were treated as hobbies as much as careers. Players would regularly drink and smoke, staying in shape was not a priority. Hell before the 70s players regularly had part time jobs in the off-season, rather than staying in shape and practicing their profession.

  • RedRum

    that would be great for LJ and the Heat (as much as I hate them…) maybe he can then be convinced to run a pick n roll with DW, which in my opinion would be one of the most devastating plays the game has ever seen. LJ and DW playing the two-man game would destroy the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Allen I have a problem with one of your statements about illegal defense of the past yes if you committed to the double you had to go all the way, but you did not have to run all the way back to your man, you could run sort of a matchup zone (but no you could not guard an area, you had to be in arms length of your man)were after you doubled your team D could shift and you could rotate on to another man.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_high_school_gyms_in_the_United_States nbk

    No shutup, you couldn’t. The rule stated, you had to return to the player you double teamed from. If your team rotated and you ended up as the PG on the Center, your team was smacked with illegal defense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    been trying to look it up, do you have a link to the rule as stated. I am going by personal experience.

    1999/00

    Any defense is legal on the strong side. Defenders must remain on the weak side outside the paint unless they are double-teaming the ball, picking up a free cutter or closely guarding an offensive player.
    2000/01

    On the strongside, any defense is legal.
    • On the weakside, defenders must remain on the weakside outside the paint unless (i) they are double-teaming the ball, (ii) picking up a free cutter or (iii) closely guarding an offensive player.

    this is all i could find

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_high_school_gyms_in_the_United_States nbk

    i’ll search for it, just a minute man

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Also if the offensive player was above the key you had to be at the ft line, if he was at the ft line you had to be in the dots, otherwise arms length. I can also give you an example, of when the player would not have to return to “his” man. EX- post player receives ball weakside doubles, post player passes back out to wing where dump down pass occured, the weakside defender that doubled can follow the ball and now double the passer, now on the weakside there are 2 offensive players and one defender that man can rotate to the cutter or stay home, if he rotated, then said “double teamer” can rotate to the other offensive player that is left.

  • MUBWAR

    Argentina has a team of nba players. y is everyone shocked? ginobli(3 rings) delfino who kept raining threes nocioni scola and that future knicks pg. they played together for a decade. the competition is catching up

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Search the rule man. I read the rule not the long ago and posted it here because I was shocked at that aspect of the rule. You had to return to a specific man.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Nocioni doesnt play in the nba anymore. A more accurate statement would be Argentina has some NBA players on its team, whilst the USA team is made up of perennial all-stars and the top overall NBA draft pick. The inability of team USA to stop post up players, and reliance on jumsphots that went cold is what kept Argentina in the game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    This is all I could find that specifically mentions what i’m saying, “You had to stay defend 1 player and stay with him, unless to double team the ball.”
    .
    I can’t find the official NBA ruling on this, only,
    .
    1981-82
    • Zone defense rules clarified with new rules for Illegal Defensive Alignments.
    a. Weak side defenders may come in the pro lane (16’), but not in the college lane (12’) for more than three seconds.
    b. Defender on post player is allowed in defensive three-second area (A post player is any player adjacent to paint area).
    c. Player without ball may not be double-teamed from weak side.
    d. Offensive player above foul line and inside circle must be played by defender inside dotted line.
    e. If offensive player is above the top of the circle, defender must come to a position above foul line.
    f. Defender on cutter must follow the cutter, switch, or double-team the ball.
    .
    In essence though, the only time you could leave your man was to double team the ball. You couldn’t guard an area, or switch to another player off the ball. — There is some language in there that mentions “switching” but that is referring to a player cutting through the lane. you can’t just switch due to a rotation.
    .
    I know for sure that I am right about how the illegal defense worked, i just can’t find the language to prove it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    he doesn’t play in the NBA anymore by choice. Not by force. He’s still an NBA caliber player. (he just likes going home to smoke a lot of pot, so he didn’t come back after the lockout — and this i know to be true from a reliable source, believe it or not)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I am still looking for it. I only knew about the foul line thing, but then I read about the other aspect which was more problematic. I need to find it though. Maybe I misread it, but I don’t think so.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    I played in a copious amount of pro-leagues during the illegal defense era, even considered reffing as a career choice, never saw the call being made for where the defender returns. You couldn’t feint the double, if you made the motion to leave you had to leave to double. If you wanted; the ball could be doubled the entire shot clock, as long as a man followed the ball and the others stayed home (arm length from an offensive player) it wouldn’t be advisable because a free player would be left unguarded, but you could switch off to the cutter, we used to run this against the weaker teams that had the primary ball handler that was the teams main scorer.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    idk how well Referees observed that rule, especially at lower than the NBA level. I know that was the ruling for illegal defense, it was meant to reduce teams from playing an area. the idea was, that a big man could just switch to whoever was by the rim, in essence by playing a pseudo match up zone. There could be an aspect of the rule i’m missing, but the idea was that rotating in terms of hiding a player who doubles or allowing a big man to switch to the player closer to the rim was a cheap form of defense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Never said he wasn’t NBA caliber, but being an NBA player entails on-court and off-court things. I was just trying to illustrate the point that Argentina in no way matches up with USA team athletically or skill wise for that matter, but having Scola was problematic, because the interior defense of Team USA is suspect. The NBA players on Argentina sans Ginobili are avg NBA players, Team USA is made of superstars.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    it really cut down from defenders floating away from weaker players, thus cutting distance to the double of greater players. The call was made a lot on distance and like I stated earlier; feinting the double, because if the defender left he had to go all the way to the double (maybe thats what Allen was refering too) then the player he left got that advantage plus the post player, (assuming they are doubling the post) has the advantage of knowing the doubler has to fully commit, giving passing bigmen a serious advantage, alla -Sabonis, Divac and Webber.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh well i’m not disagreeing with that. they match up a lot better than they did 20 years ago, when training was in its infant stages.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “they *just* match up a lot better” – my bad.

  • Basketball iQ

    Defenses aren’t smarter, the league added 3-sec in the lane & illegal defense to keep defenses(pistons) from doubling a guy(jordan) ALL game … those 2 rules changed the game & sold billions of tix since then

  • Basketball iQ

    Truthfully speaking, miami found this on accident. When chris bosh went down, miami needed buckets in the paint,lbj being the biggest player remaining player on the roster & most effective, they decided he’ll be the “post” … really tho give me avery bradley back in that bos /miami series, &its a choke job by miami but here we are and oh how great the king is.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Would ABradley have been the one checking LeBron? LeBron is the cat that killed BOS (33/11) not Wade.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Lebron post game is freight train lay ups. He does not have the footwork down low and he cannot hit a fadaway jumper to be a beast in the post. He just tries to muscle folks. Learn how to shoot a jumper first, because he was like 5 for 30 shooting outside the paint. This is straight sad for someone who people consider the best player in the NBA.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    @basketball IQ zones were taken out of the NBA game in the late 50′s early 60′s, and the rules NBK quoted came about 81-83 which were both before Jordan’s time. The reason I think teams are able to compete now internationally is a mix of the NBA softening and a lack of quality big men. Now most NBA big men come from abroad and FIBA lets a lot more contact go down low than the current NBA. In the past America was the producer of the vast majority of quality big men and the NBA was as physical if not more physical than its overseas counterpart

  • LeBrOn 4 MvP!

    my man, yal feel me, he got it on lockdown, brooklyn stand up! real talk

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvwfvTcNl0 danpowers

    @shutup: i think the whole issue is more simple: international basketball just got better and developed during the last 20 years. there have allways been standout talents like divac & co and good basktball nations like the former eastern block countries etc. now conditioning training like weight lifting etc complement the good fundamental training and so on. the dream team of 92 didnt have to face such competition as the recent usa squads had to deal with. talent and toughnes wise theres no comparison to the original dream team tho, i think they would still whoop the floor with any squad, just not as clearly as they did in the early 90s

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    @dan the quality of big men on the team USA squad quite frankly isnt that good. The one center is an offensive liability, and a lacking one-on-one post defender. Then the rest of the “big” men are tweeners that lean more towards the SF side (Bosh, Love) I don’t disagree that the quality of international players has improved, but I feel the team quality of the USA squad has regressed. I believe toughness is a key component, both facets of it. Many of this years squad have questionable mental acuity, their physical gifts are above reproach. They are the most talented team in the world, but they are nowhere near the toughest. We also disagree on the use of “whoop” they beat Argentina but that was not a whooping, and I expect the Spain game to be even tighter. The 92 team was better constructed and more balanced, which was the ultimate reason they beat teams so easily. The 92 team would have beat this Argentina by over 30 points, simply on the fact that what Argentina was imposing on team USA wouldnt have worked against a more balanced team.

  • trueballer4life

    LBJ Is the best player since jordan, he is complete he can do anything.., all he to is come up with is a signature fade away jumper along some hakeem post moves which he has already..! he will be unstopable hes built like a brick wall!.. 1 through 5!..

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Anybody who thinks the 1992 Dream Team without Zeke would beat this Argentina by 30pts, does not understand basketball. Argentina team has been playing together for years and play more as a team than any of the USA teams ever had. The 1992 Dream Team was playing teams comparable to women’s basketball teams. Those teams had little skill and was so in awe of the Dream Team, that they wanted signatures and pictures instead of beating them. The players now on other teams are NBA PLAYERS and have skill and want to beat the USA team BAD. No comparison of teams. I have the 1992 Dream Team on VHS and its funny how they won every game, but they were old and some times played better against them, than what people wan to say. Now Barkley would not be a force like he was back then and the defense would double MJ, most teams now have a defensive center play on other teams. Its funny people act like just because MJ was on the team, they would not lose. Just asking did MJ win a Ring every year in his Career no, so he can lose. I can make a statement MJ came up small in big games if you look at his shooting percentage, like what people say about Kobe in that game 7. Its funny, how MJ is so over-hyped on this site, he did lose, he did choke, he was a ball stopper, was not as great at defense like people state and he was a liar/cheat. MJ never cared about anyone but himself, or he would have stepped in on important social issues, instead he focused on how Republicans buy shoes or how people were getting killed for his cheap labor shoes.

  • pposse

    soo if the 92 team had Zeke then they would beat this Argentina team by 30?

  • follow-me-@G3RMAN_RAMOS

    LeBron is already the best player in the nba by far,so if he keeps improving…not 7,not 8,not 9…

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Actually buddy my thoughts and comments rarely mentioned Jordan on this issue, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, and Barkley would decimate the undersized Argentina team, it just so happens team USA is even more undersized/out of balance. Clearly you don’t understand basketball. Honestly who cares about Zeke? that team had Magic and Stockton, two pretty good pg’s in their own right. Pippen would have shut down Ginobili and Luis Scola was not going to be the factor that he was.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Point and case Spain has the best big men in the tourney and beat Argentina by 20.

  • Dankenstein

    Andddd USA beat Spain by 21.
    I rest my case.

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