Tim Duncan Took a Paycut to Lower the San Antonio Spurs’ Tax Bill

Tim Duncan, a “Spur for life”, showed some true loyalty to the franchise by agreeing to a paycut on his new 3-year deal. It will save San Antonio quite a bit of money in the tax department. The Express-News has the details: “By accepting an $11.5 million cut from the $21.15 million salary he earned last season, Duncan enabled the club to re-sign its most coveted free-agent players, add 2009 draftee Nando De Colo and still drop below the NBA’s projected luxury-tax threshold for next season. According to contract figures that have been officially released to all NBA teams, Duncan will be paid $9.64 million in the first season of the three-year deal he signed July 11. After being the third-highest paid player in the league last season, behind only Lakers star Kobe Bryant ($25.24 million) and Boston’s Kevin Garnett ($21.25 million), Duncan next season will be the fourth-highest paid Spur. All player salaries last season were pro-rated to account for the 66-game post-lockout season. Veteran guard Manu Ginobili, at $14.1 million, will be San Antonio’s highest-paid player next season, followed by All-NBA point guard Tony Parker ($12.5 million), veteran guard-forward Stephen Jackson ($10.06 million) and Duncan. A two-time NBA Most Valuable Player, the 36-year-old Duncan will see his salary rise to $10.36 million for the 2013-14 season. The team captain is guaranteed $10 million for the 2014-15 season, but he has an opt-out clause. […] The five recent signings give the Spurs 14 players with guaranteed contracts for next season, at a total of $69.13 million. That is safely beneath the projected luxury-tax threshold, unchanged from last season’s $70.307 million. The Spurs are reported to have exceeded last season’s tax threshold by $2.5 million.”

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http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

pposse, so Bill Russell never had a great season then? You’re one of the worst kinds of debaters, one who makes bold claims, gets proven wrong, and then has to redefine his arbitrary boundaries, which again make no sense. If you wanna have a stupid opinion, that’s fine, just don’t vehemently defend it with inaccurate information.
http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

And I gotta cosign JT on TD as the GPFOAT. You also have to factor in how stupendous he is/was at helping other cats get better. There’s a reason(s) that the Spurs don’t draft busts, and at least one factor in that is Duncan.
http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

Oh me so sorry redd. Many aporogies to you and famiry of you. No dishonor. Me rikey tim duncans rery much. He is superstar A number 1.
http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

Best Power Forwards:
1. Duncan
2. Malone
3. Garnett
4. Barkley
5. Petit
6. Hayes
7. Nowitzki
8. McHale
9. Webber
10. Rodman
http://slamonline.com LakeShow

Taylor, It’s more that he may have been more Beast at his absolute peak(KG that is). As far as who has been the better NBA player: Duncan. Hands down Duncan. I think KG is a more versatile defender, but not a better defender.
I have Duncan over Garnett at everyhting except peak ability. I think Garnett was a better player(by a hair) at both men’s absolute peak.
Caboose: Take it easy on the elementary students.
Chinese O.: Am I allowed to laugh at that? It was too un-politically correct for me to not giggle a little.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

Caboose and Jtaylor are my hero’s on this post. When I see bs like ppose is posting it makes me sick. Duncan was the anchor on what was widely considered the best defense in the nba for over a decade. The Spurs have the highest winning % in the NBA since Duncan was drafted. Say what you want this is a classy move by Duncan, putting the teams future over his own interest at this point in his career. The Spurs still had the best overall record in the NBA last year and despite getting outplayed by OKC, Duncan put in some major work against the Clippers.
SylvioMac

Pfft. Brian Scalabrine is obviously the greatest player to ever step foot on a court. WHITE MAMBA.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

@caboose what no James worthy? and I have McHale higher like @5 knock webber off put Worthy there.
pposse

bill russell made up for that by averaging over 20 rebs per game and 11 ships right? You already know winning matters more; i already been said that Dunc the GOAT PF, what else do you want to hear? Its not my fault that he is a victim of his era (post GOAT Era = 1999-2004). imo this time had the least amount of talent. Only the Spurs and Lakers were winning and no other team even came close to them until the flukish Pistons did. and you know what, no one cared about that time period either, no one watched basketball and they changed the goddamn rules to make scoring easier so people would watch again (all of that is proven too). Once Wade, LBJ and co. came into the league there was a huge influx of talent and more people paying attention again.
http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

Lake, to each it’s own. During the mid-2000s, KG was by far my favorite player. So I see where you’re coming from even though I disagree.
CB34 in my opinion is one of the most underrated players of all-time. The man is the definition of a “walking double-double”. The fact that he avg. 10+ rpg for 15 straight seasons has to be one of the greatest feats in NBA history.
If not for MJ and the Bulls, PHX wins that 93 Championship and CB easily moves ahead of KG/Malone as the 2nd greatest PF.
http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

I’ll Ride with KG…….if he had the talent, he would have four rings too.
http://slamonline.com Allenp

Seriously, PPosse might be worst than The Seed when it comes to ridiculous comments.
Where the hell do you come up with these numbers from?
V

TD has no D? he has the most blocks in post season history
http://slamonline.com Allenp

^I wrote this before I actually read The Seed’s comment on this thread.
I stand corrected.
They are equally terrible.
pposse

@shutup haha yah this is a classy move…lol. Peep game, Duncan might have looked like the bad guy and got a whole team disassembled if he kept with that 21 million that was owed to him. However, he takes a pay cut by 11 million dollars. So he is going to make 10 this year, and 10 in the next two years as well. So thats like 30 million dollars guaranteed in his pocket. Or he gets traded this summer, realizes his market value at its highest right now is 15 million and will sign on some other team with people he doesnt like or care for and has to play ball. I give him 2 years of being some kind of ‘nba journey man’ before he calls it quits. So he retires wit 30 million either way (give or take). This way he looks like the ultimate good guy (which he is), but dont get it twisted like Duncan is some sort of sucker or he is not being financially advised properly. He maybe loses 5 million total from career earnings with this move. But he got little riders all over slam for it. It must be reall foggy where yall from.
http://slamonline.com LakeShow

Chuck and Garnett are my favorite PF’s of all time Taylor. I agree on your last thought about the 93 Suns, and Chuck’s place in history if he did win the chip.
If Barkley played great defense instead of average to good I’d have him definitely above Karl, and tied with KG as the 2nd best. With only Timmy standing above them.
I actually would put Barkley above Malone now. My bad.
1.TD
2.KG
3.Barkley
4.Mailman
pposse

AllenP u still mad bro that your midget pg is supposedly the ‘best in the league’ and you can’t convince the whole world that this is an accurate statement? I been said Duncan is number 8 all time. What more do u fruitcakes want to hear?
http://slamonline.com Allenp

Barkley didn’t play defense. All the other great things he did, he didn’t work at defense, wasn’t about staying in shape, and, after he left Philly, actually declined although he had more career success. He squandered a chance to be the fresh blood for an aging Doc, Malone and Toney because of his wild ways. Then went to PHoenix and had some mild success.
I honestly feel like Malone did more with less and was more of a serious professional. Barkley had better innate talent, but he didn’t maximize it.
http://slamonline.com Allenp

Why would I be mad that you’re an idiot?
That’s a bad look for you, not me. Convincing idiots is God’s work, not mine.
pposse

and u kno what..no GM is paying Tim Duncan 15 mill for a year or two of service at this age..NONE period, he only gets that much (actually 21 mil) if chose not to renegotiate his current deal from years ago.
http://www.slamononline.com Redd

Lmao @ Oppenheimer man I always look forward to your posts. Hopefully nobody is offended by it, I find it refreshing to read in a thread full of arguing cats. You’re one of my favorite, thought provoking posters.
http://slamonline.com Allenp

That Phoenix team had some of the best talent in the West.
And they didn’t just lose to Jordan. They allowed jordan to average like 42 points a game! Have you ever watched that series. Jordan was living in the lane like it was a plaid suit. And Barkley was staying attached to freaking HORACE GRANT!
Barkeley reminds me a lot of Iverson, one of my two favorite players of all time. They both had crazy, CRAZY talent. They could have been in the best of all time, period, conversations. But neither wanted to put in the work after they left the court, and they only wanted to put in the work in certain areas on the court. As great as they were and as hard as they played, in some ways they cheated themselves and the game.
pposse

AllenP i see u like to use logical fallacies in your arguments. Hasty Generalizations at its finest. thats cool tho, i’m not the one that needs any convincing from God. Don’t think too much about me and your flawed way just cause your some superstar slam poster boy fam, you only as good as the company you keep son.
Sérgio

I think Malone was better than Chuck. He had INSANE scoring numbers – in fact, the only thing that kept him from being the leading scorer was a certain guy in Chicago.
He was a worse rebounder than Chuck, but much better on D. He didn’t block many shots, but he played awesome man on man D, and could steal the ball like very few big-man in NBA history.
Also, he was an excellent passer.
LA Huey

How did anyone in Chicago stop Mailman from passing KAJ on the scoring list?
http://slamonline.com Allenp

PPosse
I post on the site. You post on the site. Why am I a superstar?
Point to a logical fallacy buddy? Man your first argument was the Duncan wasn’t great because he didn’t have enough great seasons but you quickly backtracked off that argument when JTaylor pointed out his first 11 seasons were an incredible run of dominance seldom seen in NBA history.
You’re upset that Duncan is being lauded for giving up money when he really didn’t sacrifice that much, that’s fine. That’s actually a valid point, but the HORRIBLE way you made the argument made you look like a mental midget.
Your arguments suck so I’m going to go ahead and believe your general thinking sucks. No one cares who posts here the most often, it’s just about having an intelligent basketball conversation and being entertained.
You are contributing neither intelligence or entertainment. Do better.
http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

I can’t put Worthy higher than Webber, I’m sorry. I’m from Sacto so I saw Webber go toe to toe with those dominant Lakers squads. He was matching Shaq in those playoffs and to me, he’s the greatest passing PF of all time, even more so than KG. Worthy was always overrated to me, but idk, just opinion.
pposse

I never said that Duncan wasnt great, where did i say that? now your operating on complete assumptions again (hasty generalizations again). I have a valid point but i made the point in a way that YOU or YOUR cronies or anyone here can’t interprit. But you did interpret it just fine because u just said i made a valid point. And the topper, my argument sucks..was that because i made a valid point too? If i am not contributing anything thats cool, but u respond, in fact the last thread i was on there were 235 responses. Since u love stats so much, and thats the basis of all your points, go compute who gets their fair share of responses. That unconventional way of thinking you might be referring to is called the truth, haha but thats just opinion.
http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

So you expect PHX and Barkely to slow down MJ when no one (not even the Bad Boys) had a chance in hell at stopping that monster.
Bird and Magic weren’t all-world defenders in their own right but everyone overlooks that because they won a combined 8 championships.
Those PHX’s teams were built around offense, so Chuck didn’t have the luxury to be surrounded by great defensive teammates like Bird (DJ/McHale/Parrish) and Magic (Coop/BScott/Kareem/at times Rambis) had.
Sérgio

LA Huey, I meant that Malone was 2nd in PPG in a lot of seasons, but he was never the scoring leader, because, well, Jordan has 10 scoring titles.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

James Worthy has more championships and even a finals MVP, the only detractor from the greatest PF debate is some considered him a sf. He was a beast and IMO had a better career than Webber, also had better teams then Webber ever had, but he always seemed to produce more the bigger the stage, hence the moniker “big game, James” @ppose lmao your math is the only thing foggy here. he could have forced the Spurs hand by dangling trade rumors and he would have got every dollar of that 15mil you were talking about, but with dignity and pride in his organization, “spades face up-all trust” he told them he was going to retire a Spur, by him taking less they had the money to keep Jackson and build more. Clearly you don’t understand small market politics, Spurs fans and the community would most likely boycott if Duncan was traded especially after he made it clear that his desire was to retire a Spur.
http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

Worthy is overrated. His entire claim to alleged greatness is based off that Gm 7 (albeit a great one) performance against the Pistons.
Frazier’s Gm 7 performance in the 1970 Finals vs LA despite being superior doesn’t get the same amount of love as Worthy’s.
http://www.kb24.com The Seed

Tim Duncan is not the greatest Power Forward of all time, its sad when people are prisoners of the moment. I can make a case, TP, Ginobli was more important to them winning rings than Tim in the clutch, check stats, since that’s what yall do. When yall do search do NBA Finals, Tim won 4 rings and 1 does not count in shorten season. Tim is all right, but he never put the Spurs on his back and took them to the promise land. His Help was it. I can make a case for Ginobli getting one of Tim’s Finals MVP. Karl Malone was better and played with less talent in his career than Tim. Karl had Stockton and pieces. Tim has had TP, the clutches point guard in NBA, Ginobli-who will be in the Hall of Fame, David Robinson-One of the top Centers of All Time. TP was more important to them winnning the last 2 rings that anything. Karl lost to MJ twice and one time should have won if he had more help. I take Karl to start my franchise over Tim, and Karl longevity KILLS Tim. Tim career is basically over, and its funny how Tim could never win 2 years in a row NBA Finals, if he was SOOOOOOO GOOOOOOD.
http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

ppose just wants attention
http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

It’s funny how Kobe could never win without having an absolute dominant big man, isn’t it Seed? There’s a reason nobody takes you seriously on this thread.
http://slamonline.com Allenp

JTaylor
I’m saying, if you win a championship your flaws get excused. That’s how basketball works.
Barkley should have played better defense. And been in better shape. And stayed away from the off the court crap.
Malone was a better scorer, and Sergio explained why. Barkley was more of a freak, and his game was more palatable, but Malone maxed out on his talent while Barkley didn’t.
http://slamonline.com Allenp

Seed,you are being ridiculous. Duncan was an elite defender, rebounder and scorer. He is the total package at his position along with being a winner and no other power forward has ever come close.
Name one who did everything Duncan did on an elite level. Not even KG can make that claim.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

Its funny how Malone could never win one year in a row despite having a top 5 pg of all-time(arguably). @Seed you are the worst. Is TP better than Zeke? Tell me again how the 92 team without Zeke couldn’t beat Argentina in this years Olympics by 30? When Spain beat them by 20. lmao Your a joke on a joke, f%ckin clown shoes.
http://www.kb24.com The Seed

@Caboose
Not talking about Kobe, Tim Duncan could not produce two years in a row, his career is vastly overrated. If watched Karl played, you would never state Tim is a better player than Karl. You think I care about people taking me seriously, most of the dudes up here contradict themselves so much. One thread they something, then two days later they on something else. I can come out and speak analytical if I want to, but its no point with cats like. Also if Tim has no rings, which player would you take, most Karl. I still take Karl and he has no rings. Just because a person has rings, does not make them a better player. I would take Dan Marino over plenty of Super Bowl quarterback winners. Dan just never had than team, like Karl did. Stockton was great, but he was no Zeke.
http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

TIM Duncan is the best PF EVER… Anybody who says different is either a idiot or a Toronto raptors fan
http://www.kb24.com The Seed

@shutup
I stated Zeke on 1992 Dream Team kills this squad, with stockton this years Dream Team gets 2 wins. Understand cat.
@Allenp
Duncan is not a defensive stopper, cut that crap out. I have watched the spurs for years. He is vastly overrated, you all base that on his defensive team showings, but thats crap. His teams were good, so he was put up there. Really go back and watch him against the Lakers and all of his NBA Finals appearances, NOBODY TALKED ABOUT HIS DEFENSE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvwfvTcNl0 danpowers

many great players (ewing, miller, barkley, stockalone, wilkins) just had the bad luck to be in their primes while god came down to earth to play basketball, doesnt make them bad players. but id also take duncan over malone. his impact on the game was impresive on both ends of the floor. malone tended to come up short in great games while duncan had the tendency to deliver. plus his defensive play was much better than malone’s. plus, duncan was allways capable of putting up the same offensive numbers like malone, the system he played in was just designed differently.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

@caboose James Worthy playoff stats vs Chris Webber ppg/trpg/apg WORTHY-21.1/5.2/3.2 WEBBER-18.7/8.7/3.6. Just for kicks so everyone can compare TD playoff avg= 22.3/12.1/3.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvwfvTcNl0 danpowers

@The Seed: sorry man but your understanding of the game doesnt seem to… exist
http://slamonline.com Chubachuchi

@pposse did you just predict that Tim Duncan, the greatest PF/Spur, will end up becoming a journeyman? LOL
http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

Shutup, keep in mind those playoff stats are skewed because of Webber’s early and later years, kind of like KG’s. Webber’s playoff averages with the Kings were more like 24/10/4. And those 5.2 rebounds of Worthy are frighteningly low.
http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

So now rings doesn’t make you a better player when Kobe fans entire argument as to why LeBron is not better than Kobe is that he doesn’t have a ring or as of today, he doesn’t have 5 rings.
Stop it, just come out and say that you hate TD’s guts because quite a few people consider him to be the best player since MJ therefore making him better than one Kobe Bryant.
LA Huey

Sergio, I see you. That’s why I put more weight into the averages than the title.
http://slamonline.com LakeShow

LOL @ JTaylor.
So true. I do not agree that TD is better than KB, but that is exactly why people try to detract from him.
Those darned Kobe fans!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvwfvTcNl0 danpowers

the most talented pfs of all time were larry johnson, webber, tim duncan, barkley, garnett, malone, nowitzki, kemp and coleman (in this order). just injuries (johnson, webber) or bad brains (kemp, coleman) prevented some from showing their whole potential and becoming one of the games best players of all time. so it came down to duncan, kg, malone, barkley n maybe nowitzki to showcase their whole potential throughout their whole carreers due to some luck (good teams+health) and good behaviour (work ethic, no career threatening escapades). i wonder what barkley wouldve achieved if jordan wouldve played in another decade or lj if his back wouldnt have plagued him. we will never find out. but talent wise to me the power forward position is the most exciting in nba history.

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