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Tuesday, August 7th, 2012 at 10:15 am  |  129 responses

Andrew Bogut Says He is Offered Drugs in Australian Nightclubs Regularly


Andrew Bogut offered his thoughts on a drug incident that rocked the Australian Football League, and described his own experiences when it comes to narcotics. Per the Daily Telegraph: “He said the latest offer of cocaine was last week. ‘The first thing the host asked me was do you want some coke,’ he told SEN 116. ‘I said there is no chance because I don’t do that stuff and I never have and I never will. But kids do get caught up with that.’ Bogut said he probably didn’t agree with the AFL’s three-strike drug policy, hinting that players should not be given three chances before being suspended. ‘Take your penalty and you’re gone for a little while,’ he said. Bogut said illicit drug use was not only a problem in sport, but society in general.”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    what happened in the football league?

  • ttc

    yea, drugs are terrible..I recently quit gettin high..it was the worst 20 minutes of my life…

  • thor

    Imagine Andrew on a dancefloor.

  • thor

    On coke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    He didn’t deny getting thizzed out

  • fruizm

    Weed and shrooms only, dont do anything else!

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    I had no idea people were still doing cocaine

  • sef

    i smoked a cross joint with him a few weeks ago in melbourne

  • Groves

    man the AFL is crazy, still good to watch though

  • Alexico

    Legalize weed, coke ain’t that bad if is used eventually with a JW scotch…sniffff

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Breaking, athletes and famous people are offered drugs in nightclubs everywhere regularly.

  • thebugg

    @spit hot fiyah
    A young player was found by police passed out on the side of a street early Sunday morning and he had illicit drugs on him.

  • Drugs Are Bad

    What a badass, Andrew Bogut for D.A.R.E. officer of the year!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    shocking…

  • Yann Blavec

    Did you see the SP episode in which cats are sniffing cat nip ?

  • http://www.allbayareasports.com Richard

    I think it’s sad what all the other people who wrote in what they are joking about. You think of all the athletes who get caught, even deny that they are using drugs. Here’s a guy who admitted that he was offered and he did the right thing, but what does this list of the public do? Write in and make fun of the guy. It’s nice to know that there are athletes who care about themselves and the way they are viewed to the public. Hats off to Andrew Bogut. Go Warriors!

  • G$

    Whoa! I thought I was logging onto the Slam site and boom! I’m at TNZ. How did that happen?

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    @GS Lame ni**a be quiet

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Co-Sign fruizm. Oh plus Dimethyltryptamine (DMT). Do that too.

  • Heals

    Looks like being part of Bogut’s entourage just got a little more appealing…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You tried DMT Lake?

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Those vegi-mite sandwiches are NO JOKE!

  • bike

    What he forgot to mention is that he frequents bars where naked men wrestle wallabies.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yes sir. Not recreationally of course. Weed and shrooms(in regular size doses, ie. less than 4 grams) can be done recreationally. DMT not so much. You have to have a purpose and a drive in your mind to truly take advantage of the benefits. Same with shrooms in large doses. But yes I have partaken, and you should also, if ever the time is appropriate, the setting correct, and you mind is ready.
    I have never done any “harder drugs” though. As far as: cocaine, heroin, extasy/MDA/MDMA, pills in general, etc.
    LSD is debatable for me right now. I know it can be fine, if not beneficial but it’s lack of organic base these days scares me.
    I am a traveling vendor in my spare time. I go to festivals and concerts so i’m around that scene on a some what regular occasion so if you have any random questions feel free to shoot them my way.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I know not recreationally. I just know about it, and wrote a paper on it for a Psych class. It is regularly used in those situations (not in the US – or at least, not reported in the US – as is MDMA). But I have never actually come across someone i know personally who has used it, or ever even been around it.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    It isn’t easy to come by, but it is easy to get. You can order what you need off the internet and make it, or hell, you can scrape a wart off of a colorado river toad and smoke it and that will provide you with a heavy dose of dimethyltryptamine. I had a friend who was getting some and had him get some for myself also. A truly amazing drug. It’s so sad that our Western culture is so scare of their own conscience that we ban the substance and will put someone in jail who may use these organic wonders.
    I know i’m ‘some guy’ on the internet, but I do truly suggest psychoactive drugs to those whose brain can handle and therefore benefit from them. Ultra caution and studying the side effects and reasons for usage of these drugs can help change out society for the better. I truly 100% believe that.
    Sorry for the spiel.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    …………I had no idea SlamOnline was filled with druggies lol

  • haggen

    lol Americans are such junkies. And you’re proud of it! Unbelievable.

  • pposse

    steve jobs said lsd changed his life..said the world all of a sudden made sense after he came back from his trip

  • Yann Blavec

    @bike …wallabies !?

  • http://www.slamonline.com YoYoYo

    The entire genetic structure, DNA, was discovered by a man high on LSD. Dont be so quick to judge Bogut!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Slam really does not want me talking about psychedelics here… No freedom of speech unless your racist, sexist, or homophobic. This probably won’t make it because of all those ‘racy’ words.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    AWESOME

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lake, there must be one word in your comment that is automatically blocked. I had a day like this once. But then again, I can’t comment on the Dwight Howard camp page right now, because I would like to relay that Howard doesn’t want to be affiliated with the Magic anymore, and that’s precisely what showing up for that camp would do.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Co-Sign my 4:16 post.

  • chicharo

    hey where can i get some dmt??

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^No offense man… but if your asking on an internet forum I don’t think it’s for you. Sounds elite-ist, and my apologies for that, but this isn’t your ‘average’ drug. It’s not for “having a good time.” It’s for true introspection and a way to truly get outside of the box that our lives place us into with it’s mundane activities and daily schedules. If your interested, go do a ridiculous amount of research and you will find out where you can get some.
    One last word of caution, this can, and most likely will change your life forever if you try it. For most, it is a positive. I can’t speak for all though.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    it’s called “sitting with god” for a reason.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, YOLO?
    I had no idea you were that much of a hippie. To each his own, give me a little (scratch that, a lot) ganja and I’m good to go.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Alright. You weren’t lying, you did a little research back in the day. haha. All I got to say is God is cool man ;)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    That’s my go to JT. Wish you dudes lived around me. We could have a good time chattin hoops while sparking a fatty. I’m a green card holder so i’m good on that end. They unfortunately don’t have shroom cards, or DMT cards… yet…lol

  • davidR

    lake, that was interesting and informative. i wasn’t aware dmt existed until i saw the movie enter the void. the main character was using it, and my immediate reaction was that it was some crazy hard synthetic drug.
    gonna have to take another look at it. probably won’t ever try it, but it never hurts to know about something

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i have never heard of a bad DMT experience. I also have never heard of anyone trying it without using it for introspection. Did you see the Alien or whatever you call it yourself? Most stories are along the lines of, people see “a being” it is either seated or elevated, the surrounding is a streaming of colors, normally green and black (if i remember correctly), it kind of feels like the matrix (generalization from descriptions). Is that about right? or did you have a whole different experience altogether? or you can e-mail me if you don’t wanna talk about it on here.

  • davidR

    you have a card, i’m guessing you’re in cali?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    it’s either Cali, Denver, or Phoenix. So it’s Cali. The Lakeshow thing should give it away

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    That’s it DavidR, Research. Research. Research. Truly look into the details.
    We have DMT in our bodies naturally. It’s argued that, on the 49th day of life, meaning you, in your mothers womb, for the 49th day, on that day, you receive a rush of DMT from your pineal gland (center of your brain) throughout your entire body. This is considered by most to be your “soul” entering your body. One also gets a rush of DMT when they die. So essentially you are going through birth of life, and end of life experiences when you do DMT.
    Yeah, I know, not intense at all… lol.

  • retloc

    Go get yourself some corasitin {sp?} From your local grocery store, get online and figure out how to cook it down, bam you gots yourself pure dxm, which isn’t the same as dmt, but would basically be dmt’s halfbrother. Hallucinogens are the key to unlock a door in your mind that you would never access otherwise. Having a firm grasp on reality prior to dosage is preferred. Use the key to open the door, but then realize that once the door has been opened using the key again is fruitless. You may break the door and never be able to shut it again. {Crazy musings from a junkhead who hasn’t eaten acid or mushrooms in a minute}

  • retloc

    And nbk im in montana and am a registered grower of mari huana, and there is 13 states that get down like that, washington oregon, alaska, hawaii montana, colorado, california, arizona, and I believe rhode island vermont, not really sure on the whole east coast scene

  • Heals

    Just had to share this since the convo is going to a very interesting place; hearing ArtieLange lament that he’s sober now because the “druggie” in him just wants to experience a bath salt “high” cracks me up…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Cards are also available in Washington. I have had one there as well as here in Cali.
    nbk, as you know(if not from personal experience then from what others have told you), the psychedelic experience is truly indescribable. You have some of the best words and phrases for describing what one sees in your paragraph there, but it in know way embodies what you see or feel. One of the things allot of people experience afterwards is wishing that there were better and more accurate words to describe, but there just aren’t any.
    The God that one sees is an elevated being. The feeling of the being is very divine. Your not afraid to be in the presence, but you do feel small, insignificant,and yet incredibly important at the same time. Shrooms are similar, while also being nothing alike, and I highly suggest one to try some psilocybin mushrooms before DMT because it should help your mind equip for what kind of an experience you are in for. Colors are also not in your ‘book of colors’ according to what your eyes and brain know. They are indescribable colors, shades, and hues. Essentially your opening your ‘third eye’. Most think of that being the pineal gland. Strangely the pineal gland has many parts to it that your eyes have, despite the fact it is obviously in the center of your brain, so you cannot “see” with it in the traditional sense. Which makes sense. Cause we aren’t in traditional land anymore. We are on a different plane and another dimension altogether at this point.

  • davidR

    lake, did it change your life forever? and if so, in what way?

  • retloc

    By the way nbk, 13 states have medical ganj, including alaska, hawaii, montana, washington,oregon,colorado,arizona,california, and several east coast states, I believe rhode island and vermont. So yeah its not just denver phoenix or cali, which is funny that two are cities ones a state.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah, that’s pretty much exactly how it is described by the majority. I just had to put it as simply as possible, as that was a requirement from my Psych teacher during the presentation. I know that the description doesn’t do the experience justice. Just as the experience with anything that alter’s your mood doesn’t do fair justice. Except probably alcohol.

  • retloc

    The whole hallucinogenic experience also keys you in to humans innate telepathic ability. You find the wavelength that you exist within and realize others are on that same plane. You can look in someones eyes and live their entire life, without a word being exchanged. They really alter your perception on the whole togetherness/self-imposed separateness. Make you realize we are one big organism trying to survive. Then you see others trying to get one up by taking down someone else down, all without realizing that the whole organism has to thrive in order for us to ever rise above the chaos. Also a very good way to understand the raping of our souls that goes on everyday by these robots we call our government

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t know that about the other states. — I just said Phoenix and Denver because those are the only cities (greater Phoenix area actually – not sure about how denver shakes out) that have doctor’s who specialize in the prescription. But i was not aware of the other states at all.

  • Heals

    Damn retloc you taking me be back in time with coracitin (sp?). I thought they took it off grocery store shelves over 8 years ago and heads are cooking it down now too!?!?!?

  • retloc

    The government also still has test subjects that have been eating mushrooms for 20+ years, a quality of life/depression based studies. Even after injesting a small dose {1-1.5 grams} an overall sense of completeness and well being exists weeks after eating them.

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    In Nov. Colorado, Washington, & Oregon will vote on ballot initiatives to legalize and tax marijuana use for adults. Just like they do now with alcohol and tobacco.

  • retloc

    I think coracitin just isn’t over the counter anymore, so your name gets on a list if you’re going in there and getting a grip of it, yeah I had a good friend about ten years ago really get into it and started cooking it down, he was off the planet for about six months. Then 2ci came out and iit just smashed all other hallucinogens. Where there’s a will there’s a way and people be finding out how to get high when that’s all they desire. Personally I subscribe to the ken kesey thought process, once used the benefits have been gained, we can be supermen if only we set our mind to it

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    In Colorado its called the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act. In Oregon its called the Cannibus Tax Act.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Alcohol is very easy describable with words lol. Which is why it sucks. Don’t get me wrong, I love a good beer, but it’s for the taste more than the “mind benefits” lmao.
    retloc is actually bringing up a interesting part of the psychedelic experience along with some other fine points.
    You connect with people without physically connecting with them. Traditionally in life you go up to someone introduce oneself and you start to form an opinion from that point forward. Psychedelics provide you with an instant ‘feeling’ for a person. You connect with them on a wave length that you don’t know until you…well.. you know. You can look at someone and get “vibes” (another lousy word, that is the only one that comes close to describing what you feel) both negative and positive.
    David, yes it changed my life. As did having a little sister, vacationing in interesting locations, listening to certain music, learning to drive a motor vehicle, etc.
    Everything changes us, and this, while on a completely different level, is still essentially the same thing. How would your life change if you saw epic visions of an alien face, pyramids, and a great eye in the sky? You don’t know how you would, and neither really do I. I know that it happened, and my life is never going to be the same because that was a new experience and unlike anything I had ever done before.

  • chicharo

    it’s a trip how being open to things that most people dismiss or are afraid of like dmt actually have profound mentality changing effects

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Taboo’s are a b*tch. The vast majority of American’s don’t even know why Marijuana is really illegal. It’s better to just believe what your parents told you, who were told by their parents, who were told by the government. Same goes for almost all mind altering substances. There are positive uses for almost everything. That should never be forgotten.

  • retloc

    There is no way you can trip and not have it change your life. Like lakshow said, everything we do changes our lives, I didn’t go to the store and get smokes this morning, that inalterably changed the entirity of my life, never again will I face the circumstances I would have faced if I had decided to go to town. A good recommendation for anyone considering taking the leap into altered perception, your environment and associates are huge factors in determining how the experience is going to go. I satrted eating acid when I was 14,, last time I ate it I was 22, in those years I had two very disturbing trips just based on who I was with. I couldn’t shake the feeling of evil emanating from a casual acquaintance. The whole time I was waiting for him to freak out and bash someones brains in with a rock. I could feel the vibe before I started, but I was cool with everyone else, so I figured no biggie. Huge mistake.

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/22/mark-cuban-skip-bayless-first-take-lebron_n_1619209.html albie1kenobi

    nbk’s post at 5:56pm totally apply to organized religions too. funny that the topic is drugs instead.
    —–
    this has been a fascinating conversation. carry on.

  • retloc

    Nothing in and of itself is necessarily good or bad, everything is merely a reflection of the value you place in it.

  • BigA

    Thank you guys for giving me the feeling of not wasting my time on here. I forget how many people like to get high and and be philosophic. Not much better than that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    what you mean by “huge mistake” at the end of that comment? Did he inevitably bash someone’s head in or something?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lots of cats apparently like to get high.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i like to be philosophic at all times of all days. Sober or not. Actually, I don’t like to think deeply when I’m drunk, but I stopped drinking at like 20.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, it’s estimated that 50% of American Adults Have Smoke Pot at least once. About a quarter of them do it at least once every year. Something like 30Million Adults in the US smoke pot yearly. And around 10million do it every day. And those numbers are from like 2007 if i remember correctly.

  • retloc

    I mean huge mistake as in I went on a bad trip, he never did anything over the top, but for about eight hours I was in a self imposed hell. Hallicinogens are hugely dependant on your mood, environment etc. I allowed myself to quit focusing on the beauty and instead got real ugly real quick. Once my perception was tipped that way it was all downhill. Seeing my skin melt off, walking around as a gibbering pile of bones. Because as easy as it is to connect on shrooms, its just as easy to totally disconnect, which is a lonely desperate feeling when youre out of your head, the waves come and want to take you away. Started having feelings that I was never going to come back from it. Spent the last hour crying and just trying to shut my mind down. I think I ate shrooms one more time after that, like two years later, and even then the lingering feeling of that bad trips essence made me have not nearly as enjoyable experience as I was hoping for. At this point my grasp on reality is too thin to injest acid or anything of that nature. You don’t want those doors swinging wide

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    bad trips are the reason I have never partaken in that activity. I’ve done extensive research, but never actually partaken. I’ve babysat (not children, just a term) people doing it though. Never witnessed anyone have a bad experience, but i’ve heard about them, just like yours.

  • Heals

    Funny you say that nbk; with the exception of the first 6 months after I turned 21, I’d say I drank much more before 21 than after. So much for early exposure dictating future consumption, huh…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    definitely Heals, I was the only sober person on my 21st birthday. I was totally done partying and getting wild by then.

  • retloc

    Liking to get high and getting high are two entirely different things. I guess I believe there is a subsection in our society that does drugs to “get high” or to have “fun,”from personal experience and based on the world I know the majority are mostly trying to chase away their thoughts. You just want to alter your reality so bad that you fall into drug use. I hold firm to the belief that the majority of drug users are classic case selfloathers, and doing the drugs only fuels their self hatred. But, I also view people in general to be predisposed to this type of behavior. People are sad disconnected beings just looking for meaning.

  • retloc

    And that’s coming from a drug addled loser. The whole philosophical thing is kind of a joke. I mean for you to understand yourself you need to understand your motivations and the motivations of the world around you. Everyone needs a healthy dose of self-introspection. If you remain ignorant to the world at large how can you expect to ever achieve happiness or fulfillment. To know and understand oneself is a necessary step in participating in the “real world” instead of remaining a casual spectator. Drugs are illegal because as a society we are profiteers and consumers. The government profits by categorizing a simple drughead as a “criminal”, and given enough time that drughead will begin to view himself as “bad.” The war on drugs needs bad guys and sometimes they’re easier to create than find. Is it just me or does the war on drugs have a definite orwellian 1984 feel to it, a neverending war on ourselves. Makes sense.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No offense Allen. Truly mean that. BUT…
    That’s one of the problems with adults views on “drugs.” You said it perfectly for a person with your perception: “Lots of cats apparently like to get high.”
    Well yes, that is one way of saying it, but it feels as if there is allot of negative notions that go in with that phrase.
    Did you not read any part of the conversation? Does DMT sound like a drug for people that like to “get high”? I told everyone it was the opposite. And that’s the truth. It would scare the living buhjebuss out of people who just “like to get high.”
    This is a subject where I am vastly versed unlike basketball pre-1985. So if your interested in taking part in a conversation that might HELP everyone who reads this post, then I am as the kids say, down. Or if you want to just chalk up “drugs”(all in one generalization) to “people like getting high” then… you do you man.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i don’t even like that phrase. — being high on drugs, to me, is totally different then what i’m talking about. — and i don’t take part in much of any of this stuff, but i fully understand the reasons people do, the reasons people should, and the reasons people shouldn’t. i see no reason to judge a person based on what they do for themselves during their personal time, unless that means, affecting the lives of others. If a person uses a substance to help understand themselves, or to help alleviate an ailment, i am all for it. if a person uses a substance to get away from reality just for that soul purpose, i am against it. But i will not judge that person, either way.

  • davidR

    truth:
    “I mean for you to understand yourself you need to understand your motivations and the motivations of the world around you. Everyone needs a healthy dose of self-introspection. If you remain ignorant to the world at large how can you expect to ever achieve happiness or fulfillment. To know and understand oneself is a necessary step in participating in the “real world” instead of remaining a casual spectator.”
    nbk,
    the possibility of having a bad trip is also why i haven’t tried anything like that. i’ll continue to do research and listen to people’s experiences in the mean time

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    retloc, I have stayed away from acid altogether. It has had a bad effect on enough people (even if it was a dosage problem) from me to casually snag some LSD from someone and pop it.
    Yes, there have been GREAT experiences and some monumental achievements because of acid, but it just appears to be to uneven across the board for me to place my brain under that pressure. Yet. I’m not diametrically opposed, obviously, but right now, not for me.
    Shrooms have given me nothing but great trips (from limited experience, a handful of times now) and so I have allot of love for them. But, I know exactly what you are talking about. The bad trip is right around the corner always. But if you can maintain your mind in the right direction, the information and introspection gained is truly mind blowing and beneficial. Even is small doses (no tripping) psilocybin is proven to promote visual acuity and a sense of well being.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Co-Sign nbk’s 6:43 completely.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    Me thinks for the first time ever that Lakeshow is not moron like I thought. Him actually pretty smart.

  • retloc

    Anything done to the point of abuse is bad. Be it drugs, sex eating, running,etc. Everything is everything. You place the value in actions. Someone that is 300 pounds is just as miserable with their existence as any junkie. Some people don’t understand how to achieve balance. And there is a huge difference between exploring your consciousness and numbing yourself out of reality. Everybody does everything for their own reasons. Unfortunately there is a great number of people who have given up the dream of gaining knowledge and bettering themselves, and instead just view every day as something they have to get through. To quote isaac brock “im trying to drink away the part of the day I cannot sleep away” which sums up a lot of addicts perfectly. But there is definitely those out there that use “drugs”, as everyone loves to call them, to gain a better understanding of themselves society in general. Most people feel so out of place at some point, and search for meaning anyway possible.that doesn’t make them bad people. Some people lose themselves and become slaves to the drugs they sought to try and make their lives easier to handle. Doesn’t make them bad, just weak

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i’ll judge the sh*t out of a heroin addict, crackhead, or meth head though. I’m not tryna be anywhere close to or around people that even remotely look like they use those drugs. fair – right or not. that’s where i draw the judgement line.

  • retloc

    To me, acid was purely in my head, whereas mushrooms took over my entire existence. I would eat acid again before mushrooms, but only if I got it from a trusted source. At this point in my life I couldn’t handle either, but I always felt like I was more clearheaded on acid. But like I say I ate acid for the first time at 13 or 14, so at that point I had no concept of what I was getting into. I did both heavily from 14 to 19 and then had about a two year gap. The experience was entirely different when I better understood the actual process that was taking place. Most all drugs merely stimulate our mind to release chemicals within it. Its already there. That’s why addicts have such a hard time kicking. Meth or coke or whatever triggers the neurons and your brain gets told to send dopamine, these receptors get left open while you’re on the drugs. Dopamine is needed to create happiness, so by abusing drugs for x amount of time you use your bodies natural supply of dopamine for a longer period of time. So when you try to quit there is no dopamine available for while, so you can’t create your own happiness, so you go back to drugs to kickstart production. One week on meth uses two or three weeks of happiness. Vicious cycle

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Sometimes I yank off my idiot cap ChineseO.
    retloc, good stuff.
    It is hilarious how people view “drugs” all while not realizing caffeine is one, as is alcohol. It makes one laugh, but it’s a hurting laugh.
    Government/people in power decided these are “your” drugs and most people do those on a daily basis, but since there aren’t any visions or ‘crazy’ trips those are fine drugs. If there is though… “You just like to get high.”

  • chicharo

    i don’t want to say i smoke weed to escape reality ,i use it for movie and video game enhancement

  • chicharo

    anybody seen waking life? i bet lakeshow has

  • retloc

    Addicts are only lost children. They didn’t dream of being junkies, they made bad decisions followed by bad decisions, I’ve lost several friends to painkillers and to meth. I’ve also seen people get clean and become respectable members of society. If you can’t empathize you can at least sympathize. One of my best friends has been on meth off and on for 12 plus years. He’s one of the most stand up people I know, but he struggles with purpose and self worth. The only difference between a junkie and a fat person is substance of choice. Cast not the first stone unless you yourself are without fault. We’re all flawed beings.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    retloc, it is a bummer you tried them so young. That is one of my horses I ride. Don’t do “drugs” before 18. Obviously that is a blanket statement that doesn’t work across the board, but I believe your brain needs a healthy amount of “natural” growth before you can alter it to see another plane.
    So I am not shocked by what your telling me since you did them at such an impressionable age.
    I don’t know how dopamine release is different in THC (Marijuana) as opposed to methamphetamine and the likes, but in your experience can one do the same with THC as you were saying with meth? My guess is it is the same, but on a micro-scale.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lake, your brain has cannabanoid receptors. No methamphetamine receptors. The chemical effects on your brain are similar in its most simple form, but invariably different

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Nice, thanks mang.
    chicaro, Haven’t, but just looked at it and would like to. Interesting looking flick for sure.
    retloc, loving your views man. That acid definitely didn’t make you an idiot.

  • retloc

    Definitely seen waking life, movies a trip, and to understand it is to understand that our reality is most definitely dependant on our perception. Dreams are another universe entirely, to fully grasp that everything going on in your head is just as real as anything you see on tv or outside can be overwhelming to some. And I have done most any drug out there, but I haven’t devoted my life to any of them, because to me its weak to allow something to have control over your life. But that’s not to say that I didn’t gain something from the experience. The dope addict doesn’t get high, he just tries to chase away the comedown. Nicotine caffeine and alcohol are some of the most abused substances in the world, and kill countless people everyday, and yet I can go cop a pack of smokes some beers and a coffee anytime. The world we live in shapes our perception, the key is to realize whatever information you are taking in is from a biased source. One way or another, its your responsibility to discern what those biases are and align yourself accordingly

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lake, if you don’t know about te receptors you should read about them. There is some good information and it really highlights why Marijuana is also beneficial physically for more than what it does to alleviate pain.

  • retloc

    Yeah lake if I could go back I would have definitely not done, well basically everything I did from ages 13-19, but that’s life. A lot of times I do feel like it made me a lot closer to the edge than I resided before, but at this point its hard to actually remember what my perception of the world was when I was that age. Im definitley more bi-polar because of using drugs at a young age. But yeah id definitely back you on the 18 plus, and honestly id probly say 20 plus, because even at 18 your mind isn’t done developing.

  • Heals

    Any of you guys interested in/experienced these sensory deprivation things? Heard JoeRogan talking about them (along with the use MJ while inside); I guess it’s like a coffin (in shape not concept obviously), filled with just enough h2o (that is at your body temp) to allow you to float and completely dark inside…

  • retloc

    And as someone who smokes I can’t understand how everybody else doesn’t view it as suicide. I mean its a long slow ride, but its suicide. The power of perception is a beast. I mean there’s no way I could get down with an overt suicide, but that slow creeping making bad decisions for years, that’s how I roll. And to be fair, alcohol and tobacco aren’t all bad either. Im the decider on whether there is a place in my life for anything. Don’t do the booze thing because violence soon follows. Its not healthy to see yourself in monster mode, and as I’ve grown getting drunk has become not worth the effort. Losing control is not an enticing prospect, I don’t need any excuses for my behavior. And none exist. Substances merely magnify things within us

  • retloc

    And as someone who smokes I can’t understand how everybody else doesn’t view it as suicide. I mean its a long slow ride, but its suicide. The power of perception is a beast. I mean there’s no way I could get down with an overt suicide, but that slow creeping making bad decisions for years, that’s how I roll. And to be fair, alcohol and tobacco aren’t all bad either. Im the decider on whether there is a place in my life for anything. Don’t do the booze thing because violence soon follows. Its not healthy to see yourself in monster mode, and as I’ve grown getting drunk has become not worth the effort. Losing control is not an enticing prospect, I don’t need any excuses for my behavior. And none exist. Substances merely magnify things within us

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Heals, very interested. Heard him just the other day speaking on them. It’s about as “un-drug like” as possible while giving you a completely drug like experience. Very interesting stuff. It’s the use of salt in the water that makes you feel weightless. Like how in the (I believe) Red Sea you can float without trying.
    retloc glad you back me up on the waiting. Wait as long as possible, but at least till 18-20 years of age. Nothing wrong with waiting till 30 plus too.
    retloc’s POV is a very interesting one. He has pretty much the opposite view than that of what “mommy and daddy”(goverment, parents, people in power) told you.
    They want you to live in a cage. They don’t want you to explore your brain. Do not explore old history. Do not explore “world shattering” ideas… Makes sense huh?
    An earth shattering idea is just that. Someone finds out that a drug can do positives for them and allow them to see things differently, and they want to tell the world of this amazing thing.
    “Look how I was able to view this subject through an irregular method!”
    But what if that amazing method makes you “turn on, tune in, and drop out?”
    I hope it does do that.
    Why is that a bad thing?
    People should embrace cultural changes(not all, but they aren’t all bad). Even if it is by the use of psychedelics. Detach ones self from the existing ‘norm’ and the ridiculous hierarchies that society deems good, and necessary.
    I don’t think anyone “needs” to do drugs, but WOW they could help allot of people…

  • Allenp

    Getting high is your business. I don’t indulge for a variety of reasons but I am not a narcotics virgin. I but I likely have vastly different views on the mind, life and narcotics than most of you. You open certain doors and certain things.come in. Consequences for every choice.

  • retloc

    Agree 1000% lakeshow, people get so caught up in “normal” and “expected” that sometimes we forget ourselves. Most people I know and work with think im a little deranged, I guess would be a good way to put it, and mostly just because I put myself out there. There is no time to waste being what you believe others want or expect out of you. I feel like such a slave with the day to day, but im able to step back and realize that I have several choices I can make and I need to consider the outcomes before jumping in. I had one trip once that I would have loved to live in forever at the time I was experiencing it, but in the back of my head I could still hear me saying that’s taking it too far. You have to be in the world you don’t have to be of the world. Lots of folk have trouble differentiating between those two. I mean I hate my job, and many aspects of my day to dull life, but I accept them as necessary for me to try and achieve what I want. I unfortunately dicked off in school got expelled, went to college got kicked out of canada, and realized now I was in the unenviable position of having to put in work. But I could just as easily be homeless and not worry about slaving for the man. So although I hate my job and everything it represents {repression,slavery,subservience,gratitude} I prefer it to the alternative. And I make it through the day telling myself that one day that smile will be mine.I have goals, they’re just on the backburner for a minute while life tries to beat me into submission, anyway thanks for the great convo its nice to see independant thought

  • chicharo

    yeah work sucks, but being homeless sucks more your right

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    I’m chiefin on some dutch perp, reading these posts, enjoying it. ….
    HOWEVAH!
    Nbk and whosit stopped drinking at 20? The fucc wrong with yall!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t like being irrational. Alcohol does that to me. I basically like to always be in control of my situation. And prepared for any situation that may result from it.

  • http://www.nba.com Shadojoker

    This will be the first locked thread on Slam!! Lmao at all the comments..some very good ones and some hilarious ones as well! But as a child of the 80′s.. the choice for me is DRUG FREE! Way to go Bogut!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    Life circumstances are directly tied to the abuse of substances, be they food, alcohol, hard drugs or recreational ones. When you look to escape your day to day life because of ineffective coping skills, I don’t think that person needs to be judged. They need mental help as well as drug rehab…Now, when it comes to non-dependent, recreational use I’m perfectly fine with it. I share Lakeshow’s views.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    quadstacks, pokeballs, greenlaterns, Mollies, fireballs, and xannies only 2 mill or better. LMAO I have a albino burm named baby Thizz; oh the good ol days. Always wanted to do shrooms, not really a big thing in NY. If imma do THC I gotta do edibles, my boy makes the sickest green peanut butter cups and brownies. His chocolate chip cookies are hella good to.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Come to think of it didn’t drop Thizz for the first time till I moved to Vegas. This is def the better conference.

  • retloc

    Sorry about that, somehow pasted what I was writing earlier, first time commenting on any forum,so please excuse lack of proper decorum. Definitely agree with nbk about being in control of self/situation, whereas a lot of peoples whole draw to drugs and alcohol is losing themselves. “Yeah I mean I may have done that but I was drunk so yaknow” don’t know how many times I’ve heard that. Like you cease to be yourself once you ingest certain things.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    How long does a typical DMT trip last?

  • Tempest

    I was at my local bar120 last year and we were hanging out with an ex AFL player. He asked my mate go back to his and rack lines. Apparently heaps of the players used to do coke on the regular

  • bigA

    Self-dicipline is most important. I started smoking weed at 11 never did anything else.
    I haven’t smoked in two weeks, defintely will next week.
    It helps me appreciate things even more but I don’t need it. I would sometimes roll the dice wether not to smoke.
    Allthough sometimes I would give myself 5/6 chances to smoke.

  • bigA

    Weed is terrible if you do it all the time, I think.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    U think lol thanks for that

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Never knew Lake was bout it bout it lol but sh*t I use to get faded before a recording session but I never felt it had a hold on me and I was never addicted. That’s the only thing I’ve tried no more though I’m in law enforcement lol

  • LeBrOn 4 MvP!

    Yo ThiS Be cRaY assss, my hoodlims in the hood do it all the time, east compton, all day err day, real talk. I tHiNK A tUrNarOuND IN society is needed. brooklyn till i die, stand up. 34 area code all day. ErR DaAY

  • http://www.hoopsworld.com IamYOU

    I’m in aussie I don’t watch AFL! But bogut your a real ROLE MODEL MATE!

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Godda be honest @ LakeShow, At first I was thinking “Oh, gawd, somebody make him stop”, but you’ve since posted some pretty interesting stuff.. I’ve learned a few things, and agree with many of your points of view.. :) And, cosign Chich @ 7:07…

  • AussieClay
  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Most interesting SLAM debate for years. Thanks Lake, Retloc, NBK and everybody that weighed in. Just a couple of quick thoughts before leaving for my daily date with the man; I believe that drugs are a very personal thing, just like religion, one should not judge what others chose to put into their bodies (the body/mind is theirs let them do with it what they want, aftreall it is the only thing in this world one can truly own) whether it be weed, junk food, cigarettes or cocain. As some of you already mentioned it only becomes a problem when control is lost and abuse sets in. I had a full year smoking weed (actually Hash) on a daily basis, although I like the buzz it didn’t really do anything good for me, I just became lazy and apathic – so ever since then (11 years ago) I have smoked weed maybe a few times a year only when I knew that I had some days to chill. I snorted cocain maybe 25-30 times when younger and hitting town, had one bad experience other than that it just seemed like a good alcohol buzz + maybe 10% extra fun & confidence. Always got a cracking hangover the day after, so haven’t done it for like 5-6 years. Did MDMA two times, both great great experiences, with that said I’ll probably never do it again as it was simply too much fun and I have seen people lose their way and get a bit to happy about it. Never ate schrooms or dropped acid, had the offer of doing schrooms multiple times when younger and was enticed, but always changed my mind at the last minute. Somewhere deep down I guess alyways was kind of nervous about it for some reason, this stopped me from ever doing it – though I remain enticed to this day, nowadays I guess I am not presented with the opportunities to do em, and since I never go looking for these kind of substances trying it or not hasn’t really been an issue. On the contrary to most of you guys, alcohol is really my preferred drug, not that I drink heavily, often or until I can’t control myself. But I love to end the working week with some beers, a bottle of wine or some drinks. Don’t get hammered like I used too when I was younger, I’m 30 now, but absolutely love being drunk and smile, talk and dance with good friends and/or complete strangers. I guess it is in a more adult stage now, because I don’t drink until I fall down, vomit or loose track of what I’m saying or where I am. So I drink in a much lighter sense these days, maybe 1, 2 or 3 times a week, not overdoing it, sometimes just a couple of drinks sometimes a bit more, but never turning retarded like I used to hahaha.. But still I’m pretty sure I will always have a drink once or twice a week for the rest of my life, just really enjoy the effect. Keep up the good discussion, I’ll be leaving now but will be checking in at a later hour.

  • Connor

    Do all Americans just think they are the bee’s all and end all? In the last fifteen minutes I have seen one article from Marc Stein trashing Australia because we still watch ‘Big Brother’ even though the new series hasn’t started yet? And we dance naked with wallabies?! Where the hell did that come from? We aren’t all the dumb, druggie drunks you think we are, most of us actually have ‘normal’ lives with ‘normal’ jobs and do everything exactly the same as you Americans! I’m sick of everyone trashing Australia when they have heard stupid little rumours! Why don’t you all come to Australia and experience the culture, it’s better than you all think, and it’s probably a lot safer too!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    A lil off subject I guess, but Australian’s are terrible tippers. Brits are pretty good when it comes to gratuity. Just be careful with that dr)g Sh!t in the clubs in vegas. We gotta saying out here come on vacation, leave on probation. Pills are prob your best bet, a xanny will make one beer last all night, plus at $14 a beer youll save money, seeing as a 2mg can be bought for as lil as $2-4.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Lemme clarify, almost all of the Australian’s I have met are the nice, just not big on tipping. Oh and yes you should tip your bouncer separate, if inclined to do so, they dont see anything off the bill.

  • Otis

    Tipping isn’t part of Australian culture the way it is in the US, so tourists in the States tend to forget that they’re meant to leave tips for drinks etc. Most Australians in the US will tip appropriately if you remind them politely that they’re supposed to do so.

  • Loaf

    I have tried the works, weed, shrooms, pills, MDMA, Coke and Ketamine never even consider herion or crack, thats the Junkie of all drugs… looking back, the craziest experience i ever had? had to be the Ketamine wow that stuff sent me into La La land, thought i was in a video game for about 5 hours…. smoked weed heavily for years, though that started getting to much, started to get paranoid and turn into a bit of recluse, you grow out these things. But to be honest, i wouldnt change any of my drug taking past, some realy quaility memories arised due to them and the certain situtations i found myself in whilst “under the influence”

  • pposse

    the funniest shroom experience i ever had was wen i went to ISU tovisit my cuz and we just finished eating the shrooms and started watching the rookie sophomore nba all star game..at the end of the game jason richardson bounced the ball off of boozers head and drained the shot at the buzzer..we swore we were tripping and that was not reality haha. Every other time the trip off of shrooms got me crazy scared or paranoid (bad trip). DMT or LSD is something i never came across, but after reading these posts and also from prior curiosities is something that i might have to look into

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Thanks for the kind words and non judgments from ya’ll. Always appreciated and gives me confidence in human kind in general.
    Holy Baller, 15 mins. Unless you take the orally active version, aka ayawaska. That is a 3+ hour trip. Virtually a slowed down version of smoking DMT.
    I was going to provide a little more information on natural DMT that I never got to yesterday:
    Natural DMT (endogenous/created organically) releases the most during your REM sleep pattern. Usually 3 am for most people. That’s why if you wake up at the time… sh*t is kinda weird lol.
    A DMT trip is a dream essentially, but an awake and fully lucid version of one. Most dreams one cannot describe or even remember details and specifics after a couple hours if not a few minutes. Taking DMT is similar in physicality, mentality, and chemically speaking to one dreaming.

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