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Monday, August 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am  |  141 responses

Brandon Jennings Would Like to Sign Extension with Bucks


by Eldon Khorshidi | @eldonadam

Entering his fourth NBA season and also the final year of his rookie contract, Milwaukee Bucks point guard Brandon Jennings knows the pressure to win is at a new, unforgiving level. After leading the Bucks to an improbable seven-game series against the Atlanta Hawks in his rookie season, Milwaukee has missed the Playoffs for two straight seasons, most recently posting a below-average 31-35 record during the lockout-shortened campaign. Jennings, like head coach Scott Skiles and general manager John Hammond, has not received a contract extension, and will be under the microscope this year. While aware of the situation, Jennings has high hopes for the Bucks, and wants to be a part of the organization for a long time—If it were up to him, he’d have a new deal signed and completed as soon as possible.

More details, via the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

Bucks point guard Brandon Jennings is hoping to have a contract extension in his pocket by the time the regular season opens on Nov. 2 in Boston. “It would be something I’d love to get done with and over with so I don’t have to worry about it,” Jennings said of the contract extension. “But the main thing is just to come into training camp a better player, a better leader … just lead the team to the playoffs.” Bucks management and Jennings’ agent, Bill Duffy, have until Oct. 31 to reach a deal. Jennings knows there will be plenty of pressure to win this season, particularly with coach Scott Skiles and general manager John Hammond in the final year of contracts. And the Bucks are coming off a 31-35 finish during the lockout-shortened season, marking a second straight season missing the playoffs. With the team we have and the potential we have, we have a chance to be a top six seed in the Eastern Conference. That’s something I’m going to go into training camp talking about with the guys. Instead of saying we hope we make the playoffs, we just need to start saying, ‘We’re going to do it and we need to do it now.’”

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  • FnF

    Dwight Howard said the same thing not too long ago.

  • Shifty

    Should of been a All star last year, hope him and Monte can get some fluid to thier partnership and start causing terror in the back court.

  • LA Huey

    Why? Who doesn’t expect him to ask for a trade to LA before the extension would run out?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Corky

    Im not sure if skiles knows what to do with jennings and ellis offensively. Nets v.s. Bucks will be a great matchup.

  • Fat Lever

    I wonder if this decision has anything to do with the fact that in the new CBA, a players current team can offer the player considerably more money than any other team??? Nahhhhh……

  • Ismael

    It’s either they fire coach Skiles or he should get out of Milkwaukee.
    He needs to Run and Gun to maximize the use of his skills and not this half curt bullshit Skiles does in Milwaukee. They can’t score with Skiles on the Helm.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I thought he would have taken the next step by now as a player. He should be competing for an All-Star spot. Unfortunately, I think Monta Ellis isn’t the right fit if they want Brandon to take that next step and become a top 10 PG. He’s talented enough to do it.

  • Da Real

    Under Armour does not want this. The face of the brand can’t be in Wisconsin! Lol

  • LA Huey

    @Fat, Definitely wants to have his cake and eat it too. I just hope, for his sake, he makes his trade request palatable for the masses.
    BAMN, give him time. I think the Skiles system highlights his weaknesses instead of maximize his abilities. In fact, I’m sure this backcourt will struggle until Skiles get fired (which he’s about due now).

  • ctk

    If im Philly im tradin Holiday for Jennings to pair with Bynum ..i know Holiday is more consistent but he dont have the mindset needed to beat the Heat …Jennings does n he wants the moment too

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Mindset doesn’t matter when going against the Heat if you don’t have two guys who can at least make LeBron and D-Wade work for what they get. Holiday is a better PG and player than Jennings at this point. He had no problem going at the Celtics this past season in the playoffs. I don’t think the system matters. If you have two guys in your backcourt who enjoy having the ball in their hands, it won’t work long term. Ellis is closer to an Iverson type than anyone else currently in the league. He needs the ball. Iverson played best with Eric Snow (defender, passer, solid player). Imagine Iverson and Marbury in the same backcourt for an 82 game season. Look at the talent on Milwaukee’s roster. Not enough shots to go around.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    It’s more likely that Skiles will be fired midseason.

  • pposse

    skiles the problem in milwauke.

  • ctk

    @ByAnyMeansNecessary..u think Holiday could avg. over 20pts a game over the course of a season

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Holiday is a better player. idk what makes people think Brandon Jennings is as good as Jrue Holiday. There is no reason to think that aside from one 55 point explosion.

  • mask

    Holiday is great and I hope the sixers kick major fanny this year. Go Cavs :)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Cats haven’t been watching Jrue Holiday. That’s the only explanation. All Jrue has to do is figure out his mindset playing next to Evan Turner. Which means he needs to be more aggressive looking for his shot, particularly at the rim, and he just needs to be a more vocal leader. He is straight.

  • davidR

    byanymeansnecessary,
    nah man. ellis doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective. his offball movement is underrated. he knows how to cut to the basket or the open space. he has above average finishing ability at the rim, and has a pretty good midrange. people see his scoring abilities and immediately associate him with iverson

  • ctk

    overall Holiday a better player no argument but not pure scorer ..im usin the Heat cuz we all know they the bar n the East..they got to weak spots C/PG…i dont think he can score enuff to take advantage of the matchup n a series

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jennings hasn’t proven he can score enough. He can shoot enough, but not score enough.

  • Austin

    Brandon’s better than Holiday, hes much more explosive and athletic. Jennings is better in nearly every statistic. Pts, stl, reb, you name it. The 55 point game was a curse for the young buck, he admits it himself. And he still finds his way to 19pts 6ast(needs to get higher) and 2stl every night. No doubt his j isnt consistent yet, but it has risen significant from last year. Jennings is going to make a deep run into the playoffs with Monta and earn his first All-Star Appearence. Book it!

  • Benjamin

    As a Hawks fan I would love to sign him this off season if teauge can’t reach his potential, Jennings game is crazy.

  • Benjamin

    *next offseason, my bad

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    I like Brandon Jennings but im not sure you can win with him as your starting point guard. But hey hopefully im wrong, but at the moment I just dont see it

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Holiday is sneaky explosive. My guess is people don’t pay too much attention to him. Watch the man play. He’s a better player than Brandon. He’s easily the best guard Philly has seen since Iverson. He’s now the 2nd most important player on that team behind Bynum. Most of Brandon’s major highlights at this point have come in summer league games. Let’s be honest here. Aside from the 55 point game against the Warriors, what other major highlights has he had thus far? Holiday is better than average. He can average 20 plus a game if needed. He now has the 2nd best center in the league on his team. Don’t be surprised if he has a breakout season. Also, I think this past season and especially the postseason has shown us that the Heat don’t really need too much out of their PG or center position. They played one of the best PGs in the world in Westbrook and didn’t have too much of a problem aside from that 43 point explosion (still won the game). They also didn’t exactly struggle with D-Rose last season in the ECF. I’d also question the guy who thinks the Bucks will make a “deep run into the playoffs”. At the expense of which team? Heat, Celtics, Nets, Knicks, Bulls, Hawks. Milwaukee isn’t better than any of those teams.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Being more explosive and having better numbers doesn’t automatically make someone better. Holiday is a better defender (by a country mile), passer, shooter and has a higher ceiling.

  • http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

    Everybody can’t be a all-star especially @ the pg spot. A lot of these young guys who everybody thought would be the next big thing will just be another player in the NBA. (*cough john wall cough*) really though I wish the best for Brandon but pg spot too deep in the L right now for him to stand out and really live up to his potential

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    John and Brandon are in similar positions. John has some vets with him now so hopefully he learns from them. But at that PG position in the East, look at Deron Williams, D-Rose, Rajon Rondo. I don’t see another PG replacing any of those guys on the All-Star team. John or Brandon will have a shot this season though since Rose won’t be playing. He’ll definitely be voted in by the fans if he appears on the ballot but someone will have to replace him. I don’t see why it shouldn’t be John or Brandon if they live up to expectations.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    I know this is off topic but. I was wondering if you think any of these will happen
    Cleveland Cavaliers retire Lebron James number
    Denver Nuggets retire Carmelo Anthony’s number
    Toronto Raptors retire Chris Bosh’s number
    Phoenix suns retire Steve Nash and/or Amare Stoudemires number
    Orlando Magic retire Dwight Howard’s number
    Boston Celtics retire Ray Allen’s number

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Brandon Jennings statistics are better than Holiday’s for one reason and one reason only. Jennings has the ball in his hands all game, every game. Even with Monta on the roster, Jennings was shooting over 15 shots a game. His assist numbers are higher for the same reason. Jennings doesn’t average more steals. And is not in Holiday’s league as a defender. Holiday is one of the top 5 defensive PG’s in the NBA. Jennings was slightly above average his first two years (thanks to Andrew Bogut), but was rather horrible last year (without Andrew Bogut).
    .
    To say Brandon Jennings is better than Jrue Holiday is to say, “I don’t know what I’m talking about”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I can tell you with 100% certainty Phoenix will retire Nash’s number.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Really @ nbk? Idk I don’t see it happening. Don’t think it’ll happen with Raps, Nuggets, Magic, Celts, Or Suns but I see Cavs doing it if Lebron comes back one day.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Look, Steve Nash is the greatest player in Suns history (according to the Organization….which is the only thing that matters in this discussion). He played here for the majority of his career, and won 2 MVP’s. I am not unsure about if they will retire his number. I know they will.

  • Austin

    Until you watch Brandon’s games yourself like I do nbk, then you can say the man isnt a good defender or say hes not as good as holiday, and what the heck are you talking about Brandon playing terrible last year!?! Stats wise it was his best year. I think you dont know what your talking about nbk.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ nbk: What about Amare?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol, first of all, I watch plenty of every team in the league.
    .
    - Jennings defensively (which is what I said) was horrible last year. You can look at any of his valuable defensive stats (which are not blocks and steals, those are irrelevant) – just look at how much better the Bucks defense was with Jennings on the bench….(the team gave up 109 points per 48 minutes with him on the court \by a huge margin, the worst any Scott Skiles defense has ever been/ and 98 points per 48 minutes with him on te bench) – Jennings basic offensive stats are ok, but in terms of what he actually provides a team? He’s nowhere near Jrue Holiday. If you suggested trying to acquire Jennings for Holiday to the 76ers front office (or to anyone in basketball) they would not hesitate to laugh in your face and immediately lose all respect for your opinion.

  • LA Huey

    Nash in PHX for sure. And Ray Allen SHOULD get his number retired in Boston. Boston LOVES retiring numbers. If you’re a HOFer that contributed to a championship Celtic squad you’ll probably get your jersery up in Boston. Ask Bill Walton.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Teddy, I doubt it with the way he left.

  • LA Huey

    LOL, yeah. I don’t know how nbk makes time for all his hoops-related activity. You have a daughter too, dont’ you?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah, she watches hoop with me. Seriously, was sitting through playoff games at a 2 months old. From November through June i dominate the TV at home – just have hoop playing all night every night. Then from June through October I have to watch a ton of BRAVO network lol

  • Austin

    Alright nbk, im not going to fight over an opinion of who we think is the better bball player. But I watched ALOT of bucks games last year being from Wis and i see an nba all-star in jennings this year whether you think it or not. Jennings and Ellis will no doubt be in the top 3 as in the best backcourt in the league. We just picked up to 2 veteran centers (dalembart and pryzbilla) which is going to help alot. I see a deep run in the playoffs.

  • MirChilly

    Brandon is by far better than Jrue. Brandon just happens to play for a bad team and horrible coach. Jrue has never been asked to carry a team while Brandon has. Bogut was injuried the past few years which prevented him from getting to the playoffs. Add that with Skiles benching SJax, messing with Luc mins and over-playing Drew Gooden. Add in injuries and lack of shooters (reason for low assist numbers) and lack of athletic players, I’m surprised he has played as well as he has. No knock on Jrue, good player, but add Brandon on the Sixers they finish with a higher seed and even knock off the celtics. Plus Evan will be the primary ball-handling in the half-court offense this year.

  • Austin

    Thanks MirChilly, totally agree, ill admit they didnt do good last year, but they’re going to be great this year, and I do think Skiles is too much of a defensive minded coach

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You can see whatever you want. Doesn’t mean what you think will happen as any chance of actually happening.
    And, I don’t just watch one team, I’m not saying Jrue is better than Jennings because I’ve watched a ton of one and not the other. I’ve watched a ton of both, I’ve talked to a lot of people who have done the same, and NONE of them think Jennings is as good as Holiday. I watch all 30 teams all season.
    . Also, Jennings is not an All Star in the East unless there are a plague of injuries – (Deron Williams, Derrick Rose* Rajon Rondo, Kyrie Irving, John Wall) are pretty much a lock as the All-Star point guards in the East for the foreseeable future. With Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson being the other guards who will more than likely end up to be all stars. I will say this though, If Jennings ever were to earn an All Star spot on performance alone, now is the time to do it. The East won’t get much weaker than it is now at the guard position.
    .
    Oh and if “a deep playoff run” is what you see, then, uhm, you should see an optometrist.

  • Austin

    Oh yes and what you see must be the truth. All I see hear is someone who sit on their couch all day and watches “ALL” 30 nba teams.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Next seasons projected top PG’s:
    CP3
    D-Will
    Russel Westbrook
    Kyrie Irving
    Rajon Rondo
    Tony Parker
    Steve Nash
    John Wall
    Kyle Lowry
    Jrue Holiday
    Brandon Jennings
    .
    I just felt like making a list.
    D-Rose will have to prove himself when he gets back.
    Brandon Jennings could make a jump on this list. I wouldn’t be upset with anyone having him a spot or 2 higher.

  • LA Huey

    Awesome. My 16 month old will only do it if we practice her passing during commercials. Ha.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    MrChilly, Drew Gooden was “overplayed” (3 whole more minutes a game than LMAM) because he was the second most productive and efficient player on the team. (The most? Ersan Ilyasova) – 8 of the Bucks top 10 lineups featured Gooden. Just because he is not very good, doesn’t mean he wasn’t one of the better players on the Bucks. And the reason that Skiles “messed with Luc’s minutes” is simple, Luc added absolutely nothing offensively. He was less productive then his opponent, even with his stellar defense. So there is no real reason to play a guy, who is a net negative on the court, for heavy minutes, unless you are trying to lose.
    .
    Scott Skiles is a good coach, he’s smart. His only problem historically, is he is too hard on his players, and typically loses a locker room after a couple years. But he is not the reason the team was not very good, and he is not the reason Jennings didn’t look better. Jenning’s is playing in the exact situation he wants to play in….one where he is tasked with more responsibility than he would anywhere else. In Philadelphia, he likely would not have got that many minutes, certainly would not have had the responsibility that Holiday carries for that team. Which would be obvious, if you knew anything about Doug Collins.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Huey, I can’t wait till she gets old enough to do that. I don’t expect her to be as patient with watching hoop the older she gets, since she will have more of a choice what activity she does. I’m assuming, this upcoming season will be the least basketball i’ve watched in years. Probably since high school.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow, you think Kyrie will be better than Rajon this year? Really tho? — And you are forgetting Steph Curry, unless you think Curry will be injured all year? If not, Curry is better than Jennings too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, if you’re just cracking 40 percent from the floor in year 3 then you kind of have to dial back the expectations somewhat.
    I like Jennings, but based on where he was a rookie, he should be better by now and he’s not.
    Still settles for a streaky jumper, still not an elite passer, still struggles to finish at the rim despite crazy hops.
    There is a problem people.

  • Austin

    Yeah he finally shot 42% last year, he needs to become a more consistent jumper, ill admit that, and I dont know why he doesnt throw it down often, he does have a 38″ vertical!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jennings did shoot 58% at the Rim last season……but, 37% from 5-9 feet. – actually, sub 40% from everywhere else.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.blogspot.com TR

    Jennings needs to improve mentally more than anywhere else. He clearly has the talent and works hard, but I think his IQ needs to be better and he needs to finally get stronger.

  • davidR

    i havent seen too much of jennings, but when i do catch him, his tear drop/runner in the lane is pretty bad. no touch, and it doesn’t look soft. might explain why he’s 37% from 5-9 feet nbk

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk Troll

    kyrie > Rondo… ALL DAY.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Hmmm.. Better?
    No, probably not.
    He is just more well rounded.
    I think he(Kyrie) has elite scoring ability. Should be a 20+ PPG scorer for his career.
    He was a rookie last year and had only played what, 5 college games?
    His upside is probably the greatest of any PG in the L right now. (saying something considering I like J-Wall’s game and upside)
    Is he better than Rondo next year? Really tough call for me, but your probably right in thinking Rondo is better than Kyrie.
    Irving was so impressive as a rook that I will keep him ahead of Rondo for now I spose. Close call for me though.
    Curry I would have as high as #7-8 depending on his health. He and D-Rose are hard for me to place in there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk Troll

    Trade Kyrie and rondo last season. do cavs do any better??? No because rondo do bring them points. he is just a energy guy that happens to play with hof’ers. Do celtics beat miami??? Yes Kyrie is that MAN. #UNCLEDREW

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Jennings has to improve his shot selection and be more interested in getting his teammates involved especially with the roster they have. I don’t think he’s ever been asked to carry a team. Michael Redd and Andrew Bogut were the leaders his first season. Stephen Jackson was there before being traded. With Bogut gone, he should take over. I think people watch how he plays and think that just because a player is a little flashy, he’s better than the guy who just gets it done without any showmanship. That’s the main reason why not a lot of people talk about Tim Duncan. Skill for skill, Holiday is better. Also, how can a coach be too defensive-minded? Does Skiles want to stop the other team from scoring too much? What does that mean?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I feel like Irving will eventually be better than Rondo. But I can’t see him doing it this year. — I understand what my troll said about the Cavs not improving much if you substituted Kyrie for Rondo because of Irving’s scoring ability, but you can’t honestly try and say Irving would have improved the Celtics….that team was going as far as Rondo took them. I think Irving is a better individual basketball player, but Rondo is a much much better team guy assuming they are both surrounded by good players.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Just because Kyrie can shoot better doesn’t make him better. I was more impressed with Rondo last year against Miami than I was of him any other year. When LeBron kicked his game into killer mode, Rondo was the only Celtic who could match that level. He can’t shoot consistently and it’s a problem, but he does everything else at an amazing level.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Rondo is an energy guy who just happens to play with Hall of Famers? How high does one have to be to believe that let alone say it?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    who here even has the Bucks making the playoffs? I don’t.
    .
    .Miami
    .Boston
    .Brooklyn
    .Indiana
    .Philadelphia
    .New York
    .Chicago
    .Atlanta
    .-
    .Milwuakee
    .Washington
    .Cleveland
    .being the Hawks competition for 8th.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Someone said that Kyrie is better because he can shoot?
    Poor argument by that person..

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    How do you all create your opinions on who’s the best PG? Stats, wins, matchups?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk Troll

    @ nbk.. Rondo is a better TEAM guy? Duh he plays on a better TEAM. “I think Irving is a better individual basketball player”(YOUR WORDS)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Combination of everything.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    @nbkTroll Garnett, Allen and Pierce have Rondo to thank for extending their careers. Without Rondo, Garnett would be retired, Reggie Miller would still be the reigning 3 point king, and Paul Pierce would have even more mileage on his body.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yes, Rondo is a better team guy. In a game of one on one, Irving would probably win, because he possesses better individual basketball skills – Rondo is a better team player. Better passer, better rebounder, way way better defender (both individually and within a team) and a much much much much much much much much better leader. The only reason i said i understand what you were saying about Rondo in Cleveland is because that team is SO bad, that having a guy that makes the whole team better doesn’t really do much. Making someone who is horrible, into someone who is just bad, doesn’t get wins. It’s not like Rondo can shoot his way to wins like Steve Nash had the ability to do in Phoenix. But if you took Rondo and Irving and separately put them on the same team (via cloning lol) Rondo would improve more teams more drastically. Rondo is a better player when you factor in everything. Irving is a better individual, with a higher ceiling. Can someone make this easier to understand? I am even confusing myself rereading this.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Damn it I forgot will the Hornets retire cp3 or not

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    I personally think that
    The cavs will. Still greatest Cav of all time
    The nuggets won’t. Never did anything for them
    The magic will. Leading scorer in franchise history
    The raptors won’t. Chris bosh never won anything with them
    The celtics should but won’t
    Suns will not retire amare
    Hornets shouldnt but will retire cp3

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I’m not sure about CP3. If you’re only talking about the Hornets in New Orleans and forgetting about when they were in Charlotte, then so far, the best player in New Orleans Hornets history is Chris Paul easily. And if they’re not going to retire his number, then there’s not a player who’s number should be retired who’s played there up until this point.

  • davidR

    byanymeansnecessary,
    jennings led the bucks after bogut went down to injury. he helped push the hawks to 7 games.
    also, ellis doesn’t need the ball to be effective on offense. his movement without the ball is really underrated. he knows when to cut to the basket, is one of the best finishers at the rim, and knows how to use off ball screens to get open

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well, there’s nothing else Kyrie does better.
    He doesn’t pass better, doesn’t run a team better, doesn’t defend better either. He shoots better and scores better mainly because he shoots better.
    On the other hand, Rondo is better at everything else involved in playing basketball.
    So, if you have another reason for thinking Kyrie is better, go ahead and drop it.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    ^^makes sense to me nbk. Kyrie has awesome skills but they don’t necessarily translate to making everybody around them better. Rondo’s skills while not as good as kyrie’s do, but can’t improve a terrible team to a significant degree. sound about right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk Troll

    NBA game is scored on POINTS! not assist not rebounds not stops POINTS. Rondo dont score many just 12 a game. thats 3 buckets and 3 trips to the line. Dont get me wrong i love the way Rondo play, i love how he broke his arm fighting for a loose ball and then came back in to play!!! but if it were not for his assist nobody would care, and assist are just points that SOMEBODY ELSE scored.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk troll

    Kyrie has a way better handle than rondo and is faster too. its hard to say rondo is a better passer when he is passing to bettr players.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Kyrie Irving is not better than Rajon Rondo. No way.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    also nbk troll you the homie and all but i disagree… this is john wall’s year until he proves otherwise. i think he squeaks in with the 8th seed. hopefully he’s been working on that broke @ss jumper too. and I hate to say this bc i was a big fan of brandon jennings but yes Jrue is better right now. i will say that brandon jennings is more athletic, aggressive, and that i wouldn’t count him out as a “regular player” just yet. there have been flashes..like his 40 against the heat and his 30+ against D.rose. w/ that said tho, i think the homie John Wall still slides into an all-star spot before BJ and kyrie do tho.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    basically Dat. I mean, maybe i’m wrong, maybe Rondo would have a Nash like effect on a terrible team (shout out to Allen, on what I just said, I know you loved it) – but idk if he would because teams wouldn’t have to worry about him shooting. Regardless, I know for certain that Rondo is a better player than Irving right now, I just wanted to understand why Lakeshow said what he said. The whole Irving is a superior scorer aspect of it should have been obvious, frankly, i should have figured that out.
    .
    And, in my opinion, If Rondo could shoot, not only would he not be in this conversation, the only conversation he would be in, is best player in the league. He would be, far and away, the best PG in the league if he could shoot. According to Doc Rivers, Rondo is the smartest player he’s ever seen. That’s got to tell you something about the guy. It’s not like Doc is some guy who has never been around elite players before. Couple that with what he does to help win games, and the prospect of being able to shoot, and he would be one of the best we’ve ever seen.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    @nbk I agree. If Rondo could shoot, he’d easily be the best PG in basketball and he’d be the 2nd best player behind LeBron in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    honestly… Jennings played great when he got a decent big P&R man, maybe a trade to LA, where he could learn from Kobe and Nash and play with Dwight and Pau, would make him better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    troll, honestly, that is the dumbest argument you could possibly make about PG’s. If scoring ability is all it took to be an elite player, then the NBA would look DRASTICALLY different. Some of the best scorers in the world are sitting on NBA benches. Simply because they can’t do anything else. Sh*t, ask Jamal Crawford how being one of the best scorers in the league has helped his status as a “great player” – or Jason Terry…..sh*t, ask Charlie Villanueva how valuable it is to only be able to score. — It’s a team sport for a reason.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk troll

    The cavs will. Lebrons coming back!
    The nuggets will. What else they got going
    The magic wont. too ugly of a break-up
    The raptors won’t. Chris bosh never won anything with them
    The celtics will. classy orgnization
    Suns will not retire amare
    Hornets will retire cp3

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Wall better step it up this season. I’m tired of defending him and always talking about how he has the potential to be the best PG. Wash got rid of most of the knuckleheads around him and surrounded him with a decent cast (Beal/Nene/Okafor). He has to improve efficiency wise, make that team competitive on most nights and be in discussion for the all-star PG spot out East. He is going into his 3rd season when most great players start to fulfill their potential, so I don’t think I’m expecting too much from him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dat, what you talkin about? when was Jennings great? The first 3 weeks of his career? That was his peak so far. — And him getting traded is pretty much not happening. The situation for him in Milwuakee, aside from it not being a big market, is all he could hope for. And the Bucks know, nobody they could get back of value for him, would want to stay there. — All of that, and LA has no money, players, or means to acquire anyone else, especially a guy like Jennings who is younger than 25, and due a big payday.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    This nbk troll guy is an idiot. To be an elite PG, you need speed, quickness, a jumpshot, three ball, passing ability, and most importantly you have to make your teammates better. Just scoring ability is usually the SG’s criteria.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Kyrie has only played 1 NBA season and barely played in college. That is my reason for having him above RR, even though I have no problem with Rondo being above him. It’s not about scoring, it’s about what Rondo has shown us over his career and what Irving has shown us.
    For all we know Irving could drop a 22,9,4 on 48% shooting with a steal and a half. That’s arguably a better player than Rondo. Rondo doesn’t make the Cavs better than Kyrie. So I’m fine with my argument.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    lmaooooo i forgot charlie villanueva used to get buckets. and yeah I agree with that i think his weakness creating his shot would really hinder his ability to take a terrible team far. however Jason Kidd took teams to the finals while not being able to shoot consistently so idk.

    Riddle me this tho. If rondo could shoot would he be better than Dwight or KD?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk troll

    i will end it on this cause i know i am in the minority. Rondo avgs +1 more rebound, +1 more steal, and +7 more assist. Kyrie avgs + 7 more points, and is not passing to HOF’ers(3 of the best to play @ their respective posistions) so they can score. Rondo is all-star caliber, Kyrie is Superstar caliber.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    I went with Rajon because he’s proven. But overall Kyrie is way better. If Kyrie had Rondo’s team then Cektics are way better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lake, I can guarantee you right now Irving doesn’t put up 9 assists a game. I am not arguing with you about your reasoning though, it makes sense. Although, when you said, “it’s about what Rondo has shown us over his career and what Irving has shown us” it made me kind of shutter. You are factoring in what Rondo does in the playoffs right? Because, he did average a triple double in a series against Chicago a couple years ago, and then had one of the greatest games in playoff history against Miami this year, you know, to go along with his playoff averages of 17PPG, 7RPG, 12APG, 2.3STls on 46% shooting….Irving was really good, but his career high last year was 32 – it’s not like he ever had anything even kind of resembling one of those Rajon Rondo performances. — ehh, the more I look at it, the more crazy it seems to me to predict Irving to be a better player than Rondo this season. That just isn’t happening.
    .–
    .Dat, Jason Kidd had a good supporting cast, specifically for the way he played the game. Rondo has had that too, and been to 2 finals as well. Last season, for example, without Rondo, Boston would have likely been ousted in the first round, with him? they took Miami, the eventual champions, to 7 games. Wh

  • ctk

    Holiday is just a shorter version of Iggy …they need a guy n there who can get buckets n will force u too guard ..Jennings can do plus he can still get the assist…its hard playin for the Bucks doin all u can n u still got a 60-70percent chance of losin…put him n a better situation i believe he does more than Holiday

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ANd no, Irving would not improve the Celtics if you traded Rondo for him. That idea is frankly, stupid. — That team is built around Rondo and what he does. Even if Irving was a better player he wouldn’t be better for that team than Rondo. There are only 2 PG’s in the league that you can even make the argument that they would fit better than Rondo in Boston, and they are the 2 best PG’s on earth.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    .Please just try and realize Holiday shoots around 40% from 3.
    .He’s a way way better shooting than Jennings.
    .And let’s also note how good Holiday was in the playoffs. There is no reason to believe he is not going to be even better next season than he was this year. Jennings on the other hand? hasn’t improved much since his rookie year.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    @ctk Jrue Holiday is a shorter Iguodala? First of all, he’s not. Second of all, if he was, that wouldn’t be a bad thing at all given that Iguodala is probably the second most versatile wing player in the league behind LeBron.
    @nbk Truth. Just watch the Celtics offense without Rondo on the floor. Stagnant. Only Chris Paul and Deron Williams would fit in anywhere.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Wait who is the weirdo making that argument?
    Someone said that Irving would make the Celtics better?
    WTF?
    Idiot, whoever that was. Rondo is tailor made for that Celtics team. Irving is better for the Cavs. That should be obvious.
    The 9 assists might be high, but I honestly would not be surprised at all to see Irving with 8+ assists next season. Which is an elite play maker.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would be surprised. Primarily because there are no scorers on that roster. And frankly, I am not a big Waiters fan. he is supposed to come and provide that team with #4 pick in the draft type of offense from the SG spot? Yet he couldn’t start for Syracuse? idk. Sorry that is kind of unrelated, but the Waiters thing has been bothering me since the draft.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    great is a strong word, but he was decent when he had bogut. that’s what i meant. and yeah you’re right there’s no way he goes anywhere near where he was thinking of going (LA)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyfsS0bFK8 nbk

    Click my name and tell me Kyrie Irving could do that.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    cosign Jtaylor. Wall gotta make Carolina proud.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM nbk troll

    Click my name and tell me RR can do that against another REAL PG, and not aginst african american J.Lin(mario chalmers)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyfsS0bFK8 nbk

    Rondo put up 44 against Chalmers and the Heat dumbass. Chalmers is one of the better defensive PG’s in the league. And the Heat are not the f*cking Nets. Honestly, that was the DUMBEST counter point you could have possibly made. F*cking Jeremy Lin went off against New Jersey too, you wanna come around here saying he’s better than Rondo? Go to sleep.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    I think lake sees an enormous amount of upside in Kyrie Irving. which is fine. one day i think he could be extraordinary, and have an impact equal to rondo’s(in terms of wins not in terms of all facets of the game). but i don’t think it happens next year

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyfsS0bFK8 nbk

    I mean honestly, you included Jeremy Lin in your argument against Chalmers, while using a game against the Nets as your proof? Are you retarded? Did you watch basketball last season? Or are you really this bad at arguing?

    .Let me break it down
    .
    .Jeremy Lin put up 25 against the Nets off the bench. Which started Linsanity.
    .Linsanity ended when Lin played the Heat, he was completely locked up by Mario Chalmers.
    .You just used a game Irving had against the Nets, to prove that 32 points, is somehow superior to 44….in the playoffs…..against the same team that completely locked up the guy you just tried to bash….who so happened to go off against the very team you are trying to laud as having success against a good defense.
    .I mean, if you can possibly make a more ridiculous argument, i would LOVE to see it.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Are you telling me Rajon Rondo can do that on the regular(or even ever again in his career?) That was a career high game for him. He never hits jumpers like that. NEVER.
    We don’t know what Irving can do. We haven’t seen him enough. He might be a playoff beast just like Rondo. He’s stuck on the Cav’s but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have basketball skills on par with RR.
    Dudes might knock down jumpers. J-Wall got his 8 assists on a bad team. (they had some better shooters, I know) You never know if Booby, Casspi, Pargo, Waiters knock down some jumpers and Side Show Bob converts at the rim he might be able to get over 8 assists a game. He’s a good play maker despite the low assist totals last season.
    Yeah, Datkid, I do see a crazy amount of upside. He just needs to be around the game a year or two longer and I think he will undoubtedly overtake Rondo is the PG convo.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM nbk troll

    nbk chill that is just a joke b/c pf all the hype j.lin gets when he is really not as good a chalmers.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyfsS0bFK8 nbk

    Lakeshow, we are not talking about what they will be able to do someday. We are talking about who is better at this moment, for this season. And I am 100% confident Kyrie Irving could not put up one of the top 10 performances in playoff history against the Heat. 1,000% actually. — I just posted that to show how good Rondo is right now.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, I’m just as high on Irving’s potential as you are but dude has a long ways to go to be on Rondo’s level. For all the talk about Rondo’s scoring deficiency, the man put up 17ppg on 47% shooting during the Celtic’s playoff run. Irving is already a superior scorer early in his career than Rondo but I doubt Irving matches Rondo’s playmaking and all-around dominance.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM nbk troll

    @ nbk watch my vid D.Will is the one holding kyrie man to man and getting handled.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM nbk troll

    @nbk watch your vid and the heats strategy is play off and let rondos jumper beat us. RR wack ass jumper was on for once. And guess what… the strategy worked THE HEAT WON!

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Blah blah, you are trying to compare the Nets defense in the regular season to the Heat in the Eastern conference finals. Plus, Rondo had a better all around game anyway. Your argument sucks, plain and simple.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    That was me, not t-ray

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    We shall see gents.
    Like I said, not upset at anyone that thinks that RR will be the better player next season. That’s the safe choice.
    This Irving cat is just too good for me to doubt in any way.

  • http://www.ebaumsworld.com Germy Lin

    WOW!! 100 plus comments and no mention of race, religion, or politics. Bravo!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM nbk troll

    @ Lake right i understand why everybody thinks RR is better and will have a better season. After all RR is on a playoff team doing his thing and Kyrie is on the cavs no tv exposure and he was injured a good part of the season. all im saying is if i had to pick just from looking @ the two and i would pick kyrie all day cause he will drop points, fu(k assist and boards. when you got a guy who can go for 20+ a night

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    That’s like saying New Jersey would have been better of they Kept Stephon Marbury over Jason Kidd. You realize that right?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^Depending on the team, that could be true.
    Starbury would be better for the present day Chicago Bulls than Jason Kidd would be.
    Different teams, different PG’s needed.
    With the Nets though that is not true. So point taken.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Jennings should take his talents to Phx, Portland, New York or even Jazz. Jennings playing with Ellis, not not a good mix.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    Brandon won’t get any where wit da bucks

  • http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

    It’s not like marbury and kids cause kids is better than rondo and kyrie is better than starbury.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    No Irving is not better than Marbury was, but good try on the revisionist history.

  • http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

    Nbk I respect your opinion like a mutha, hence my name. But dude I’m telling u. I know he a rook but you are obviously oblivious to how good kyrie is. And I’m not talking potential. Right now he is top 5 pg.

  • ctk

    Rose,Parker,DWill,CP3,Westbrook,Rondo,n Nash …Irving top 5 ..ruff …smdh

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Kyrie is not better than Starbury in his prime…c’mon son.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    ..you know what caught my attention on Lakeshow’s list?? Kyrie better than Tony Parker..ughhh!!! Still, everybody’s sleeping on dude even he has more rigns than those in the list combined. He’s been in the biggest games, outplays every point guard matched to him, already 10 yrs in the league and he’s still just 29. He’s just about to enter his peak I think. Lake c’mon man, I know you’re better than this….

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    …also The Dragic will be in the top pg (Top 10) discussion this year and Rondo is better than Irving. Irving will be great, but not so soon as y’all think.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Marbury was putting up 24 and 9 before he got traded. Sorry Charlie, Kyrie ain’t that good yet.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    And for the record I fully think Irving will be better. Maybe even considerably so. Just isn’t yet.

  • Cameron

    The Bucks have a whole lot of offense, but needs a lot of work on D.

  • roscoe

    Monte and Brandon J. are not strong enough, big enough, or tough enough to win a championship as a starting point guards. They are cheap versions of AI although they are super fun to watch play. Off the bench is another story for a contender.

  • Rainman

    My thing with parker, that leaves him out of the top 5 discussion for the UPCOMING season is the fact that he will have a reduced role with a healthy manu ginobili coming in. Coming into last year, manu ginobili was considered easily the spurs best player (see:dropping 20 points a game on memphis with a BROKEN FOREARM. He was so good tony allen didn’t even think he was hurt, but x rays proved otherwise) manu wasn’t healthy all year, so pop rolled with tony. That’s the only reason tony had a great a season as he did. But when manu comes bak healthy(as he was in the olympics, and he played better than parker, i think. Can someone verify?) He’s gonna play just as big a role as parker will. If not bigger. Which will result in a lesser role for parker. You can say he has more rings than anyone on the list, u can say he has outplayed any pg he been matched up with. You can say he still is under 30. U wudnt be wrong. But parkers success entirely depends on how pop uses him imo. Which also depends on whether there is a healthy manu. Cuz like Pop said…”He’s Manu”

  • Round Ball

    Milwaukee will be in competition for the 8 only because a few teams took a step back for this season. Orlando are headed to the top of the lottery. Might be a good fight for the last two playoff spots with Chicago and Atlanta having to deal with competition from Washington, Cleveland and Milwaukee.

  • SeanMagicJuan

    Some of you dudes are sick with the Kyrie over Rondo comments. Rondo is the best PG in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Lol, Jennings wants to stay in a stadium that regularly cheers for the Bulls.

  • Drig

    @Sean…….CP3, Deron would like to have a word with you. Well, a conversation atleast…..

  • pposse

    why in the blue hell would the charlotte hornets retire cp3 jersey?/ what did he ever do for them? A couple first teams and one deep playoff run now gets players retired jerseys? LOL, bring home some hardware, this is not a charity event.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People have always felt Manu was better than Tony. I honestly thought it was a toss up. Tony had to run the show and then get his points. That’s not easy man. Manu had it easier in a lot of ways. Come in and just play your game. Tony had to change his game from straight scoring to setting up everybody and he did it well.

  • pposse

    fury, everyone here thinks that scoring pg’s are automatically inferior to traditional ‘pass first’ pg’s even tho it has been proven time and time again that nowadays a score first pg is just as effective if not more than a the so called ‘traditional’ pgs.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Fury, I like Tony, but I see him as a one trick pony. He can convert at the rim well, but his jump shot is mediocre, he has no 3 point shot. He’s not as great at play making for as good as he is at splicing through the lanes.
    Sorry, but I think Kyrie on the Spurs next year would be better for them than TP.

  • SeanMagicJaun

    Rondo is not just a “pass first” PG. He is a trip-doub machine.

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