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Monday, August 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am  |  128 responses

Carmelo Anthony Thinks Selfish Reputation Began During ‘Linsanity’


Carmelo Anthony was in street clothes nursing a right groin injury when Jeremy Lin improbably blew up, and ‘Melo seems to believe that the Linsanity craze led to people calling him a selfish player. From USA Today: “What gives? Is he selfish? Or is he a team player? It creates a puzzling contradiction between what we think Anthony is on the basketball court and what his supporters think he is. The truth might be somewhere in between, but not necessarily the middle. Anthony understands the situation. ‘Now that I’m in the spotlight a lot more being in New York City, you’ve got multiple opinions,’ Anthony said. ‘You’ve got everybody saying something about this, about that. For me, just play ball. What I realized, first of all, is to keep my mouth shut and just play ball. At the end of the day, there’s no way you can go back and forth with everybody’s opinion. I realize that.’ But he pinpoints exactly when the ‘Anthony is selfish’ meme began. ‘Let’s be frank about it,’ he said. ‘When it comes to the Knicks, we’re talking about one particular point in time. We’re talking about the whole ‘Linsanity’ thing. That’s when it started. That’s when it started to escalate as far as people saying I was selfish.’ [...] Lin led the Knicks to an 8-1 record with Anthony out. Madison Square Garden was rocking, like it hadn’t been in years, and the Knicks were relevant. They moved into the top eight in the Eastern Conference and into playoff contention. Then Anthony returned, and so did the losing. The Knicks went 2-8, including six consecutive losses culminating in the dismissal of Mike D’Antoni. [...] ‘Lin came and we started winning games and then we started losing games, and they could only point to one thing, which is me, the leader of the team,’ Anthony said. ‘They’re not going to point to Amar’e. They’re not going to point to (guard) Iman Shumpert. They’re going to point to me. I accept that. It doesn’t bother me.’”

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  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    It’s not the fact that he’s selfish, is the fact that he has only gotten out of the 1st Round once in his 9yr career. Meanwhile, the two cats he’s compared to, have been to numerous Conference Championships series and the Finals.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Not defending, not rebounding the way he could, not playing defense under D’Antoni and suddenly deciding to play harder on that end of the floor after D’Antoni resigned. The only season he got past the first round, it was because of Billups being the leader on the Nuggets that Melo never was. He fits so well on Team USA because his flaws are covered by guys like LeBron and Kobe defending the way they do. George Karl made numerous comments about him not learning how to win or wanting to win as much as just score the ball when he was in Denver. When they traded for AI in 06, Karl was hoping that Iverson would help Melo play to win. This didn’t start during Linsanity. It’s been going on for years. What also counts against him is LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all have championship rings now. He’s the only star of that group without any hardware at all in the NBA outside of All-Star appearances.

  • Flame Heart

    What’s he talking about? The selfish talk began when he was traded to New York when Amar’e was leading his team into the playoffs. The knicks were robbed and they got worse with Melo. Stop blaming Lin and get out of the first round.

  • DJ

    He had the nerve to call Lin’s contract ridiculous. What justifies the money that you make Mr. Anthony? Lets see, you made a few all star games yet the furthest you’ve been is too the WCF. You play no D and you shoot too much. Yes you are right, keep your mouth shout and play ball cause you have no right to talk about other people’s contract when you don’t deserve half the money you getting from NY.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    Nah, he’s always been selfish. It’s always about Carmelo first, not the team. He sulked when things didn’t go his way in Denver, he held teams hostage during his trade dram & he refused to play team ball in NYC under D’Antoni. Dude is always about getting his, and f*ck everyone else.

  • Sin City

    I want someone to answer this with 100% honesty. Could a healthy Wade make the finals with Melo’s Nuggets? 8th spot playing the #1 team in the West? Replace him with LeBron and then what? Melo is delusional when it comes to being selfish, but every playoff series he was in, it was him vs an entire team, minus the Billups squad. After the Heat Knicks, Wade and Bron said how bad they felt for Melo. He has zero help, so he has to be a one man army. They said that publically.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    With respect to Anthony, it was reported that he didn’t mean that Lin wasn’t deserving of that money. He meant that it was ridiculous that the Rockets offered a contract that was unexpected. Whether that’s true or not, no one knows. The only one who knows what he meant is Melo himself. If I’m Amar’e Stoudemire in the midst of all this, I’m wondering what happened to the team I had before Melo got there because they were doing alright.

  • deadeye wong

    BooHoo Melo! I feel for the $20 Million dollar man. Time to Man-up, no more Lin to bash, or any other feeble excuses!

  • http://slamonline.com Nella

    All true words so far. Love his talent, love his ability, but he’s never developed the way his potential would allow him to. He could have been an absolute beast in this league that re-defined the 3/4 hybrid , instead of being a talented but flawed scorer.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Melo’s Nuggets weren’t a bad team. I could argue that they were better and deeper than the current Knicks team. An old Jason Kidd, old Marcus Camby, Felton, JR Smith, Shumpert, Melo, Amar’e, Tyson Chandler compared to Billups, Afflalo, JR Smith, Melo, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Al Harrington, Birdman. Even without Billups, Andre Miller was and is an above average point guard and leader. I never understood why Melo felt the need to get out of Denver so bad as if the team he had wasn’t good enough to compete. They would have been able to get out of the 1st Round if he had a willingness to do more than just score. Dwyane Wade won 40 plus games two seasons ago with Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers, Udonis Haslem and an old Jermaine O’Neal. Put him on those Nuggets teams and they would have easily gotten past the 1st round. LeBron’s Cavs had much less talent than Melo’s Nuggets. He could have won a championship with those guys. For goodness sake, the man got to the Finals with Larry Hughes, Boobie Gibson, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall and Ilgauskas.

  • andrew woods

    im not sure how far dwade could of carried the denver nuggets squad that melo was on, but if i was a betting man i would say that in 8 tries he would of made it out the first around at least a couple times. then switching to lebron, if he was on that nuggets team its almost for sure he would of made a couple wcf’s

  • Link

    A healthy Wade or Lebron on that Denver team would of been way better than with Melo.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    Sin City GTFOH with that Melo was a one man army ish. He had a lot of talent on those teams in Denver, it’s not like he was playing with an Allen Iverson in Philly type supporting cast or KG in Minnesota type supporting cast. He had talented players around him, stop frontin

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    He’s sexy though. Cute little chubby-faced thing! I’d love to marsh his melo!!

  • Lolanto

    Haha, i think everyone who’s been watching the league knows he’s a selfish player, just nobody knew he was so funny. His selfishness didnt begin with Linsanity, he has always been a selfish player.

    I knew he was a selfish guy when he played Dolan like a fool and forced a trade so he can come to new york and get a max contact before the new CBA. What kind of a player would force his hand and dismantle an already strong team with good chemistry just for his own goals? What kind of a player would not take less money to play for a team and win? All the unselfish winners I can think of took less money to build help build and create something, only a selfish player would tear shit apart if things didnt fit his ideas.

    See how he sits on the ground and pouts when the refs don’t give him calls he feels he’s entitled to, while Tyson, Iman and everyone else is already back on the other side playing defense?

    Remember that time he was so engaged with arguing with the matrix that he inbound the ball without looking and caused a turnover?

    You migh argue that these are more signs of being a diva than a selfish player, but the bottom line is, this dude is not a winner, he’s a vin baker in te making.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Yes. They would have been in at least 1 Final with LeBron and gotten out of the 1st Round every year and made a couple WCFs with Wade or LeBron. Everyone forgets just how deep and talented those Den squads were. He played with a still great AI at the latter part of his prime for a couple of seasons.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    only people who dont understand professional basketball would consider any nba scorer as “selfish” no matter weather its melo, bryant, iverson, durant, wilkins, jordan or whoever. when a player is able to score better than anybody else on the floor then his task is simply to put the ball into the basket. they are not the types of players who necessarily make the guys around them better but not everybody can be a jason kidd or hakeem olajuwon. even stars have to play their roles like any role player. and when your role is to (try to) put the ball into the basket then he has to shoot. if this looks and / or works good is mostly a matter of a working gameplan and also the 4 other guys out there. when that doesnt work it lets the scorer look bad and laypersons then talk about “selfish players”.

  • Sin City

    I knew someone would fail in comprehension. Kevin, who else helped Melo in the playoffs last year? One hand Stat? Injured Shump? Lin?JR? Who helped him vs Celtics? Injured Billups, Stat out for that playoffs too. Iverson and Melo Nuggets went nowhere, but Billups and him was perfect. Listen, I agree with everybody about the dude selfish ways, but no way did I believe he deserves all the blame as if the Knicks was great.

  • Basketball_iQ

    Melo isn’t crying, in fact, he accepts the blame & wears it bc he’s the leader… If I recall correctly, jr smith was the culprit on that lone denver team who shot waaaaaaaay too much & let kobe light him up…
    Its all opinions & the fact is, the knicks aren’t good, I MEAN ENTIRELY, & the scheme?? Horrible…

  • clydesays

    Melo must have tuned out all of the ‘selfish’ talk that has been dogging him since Denver. I doubt anyone that’s watched basketball over the last decade can deny Melo’s talent on offense. When he’s on, he’s almost unstoppable. It’s his refusal to make plays out of double & triple teams and his lack of effort on D. But hey, if you want to blame Lin for all that, go ahead. Incidently, Melo, Amare & Chandler’s contracts count for almost ALL of the Knicks cap space for the next 3 seasons.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if it didn’t bother him, he wouldn’t have mentioned it. and the “carmelo is selfish” is nothing new. And only in one place did it just start becoming a popular narrative when Linsanity started (New York). Other than that, the “carmelo is selfish” stuff started when he was what a rookie? And then really picked up steam when he forced his way out of Denver.

  • TrueBasketballfan

    Almost everyteam Melo lost to in the first round made the NBA finals or wcf ya can’t compare the wade nd lebron lead teams to the Melo teams because not once was the the compition equal Melo played in the west which was 100 times stronger then the east Melo faced teams like LA spurs nd mavs lebron hardest comp was Boston nd he never beat em til he join the heat nd wade never did nothin in the playoffs till he had shaq nd bron

  • Sin City

    The entire NY wanted D’antoni gone. It’s on the back of every newspaper in NY. It happens, and we’re looking good with Woody. People cry that Dolan should have fired him sooner. Summer time hits and after another first round exit, D’antoni was a victim and Melo is a coach killer. This is NY. He needs to shut up, focus on winning gold, and then focus on making your teammates better. I hate watching someone with that passing ability, have a pathetic career assist average. Durant too with the boards, but he wised up and had career highs in both. I love that.

  • peregrine

    So he says to keep his mouth shut, then almost immediately after points blame at Linsanity for the selfish claims? The guy just can’t keep his mouth shut.

  • JL

    Does he not know that he sounds selfish and self absorbed when he shifts responsibility instead of looking at why people think he’s selfish and when people blame him it doesn’t bother him. I understand that he can’t take every little detail in the media, but he has to improve himself to get better. Has he really gotten better that much over his career? He has only gotten more than 7 rebounds twice in his career in a year average, and his best shooting years were in his 3-5 years. His 3pt shooting has consistently been in the low to mid 30′s after that and never improved consistently. He can score efficiently by curbing the 3′s and posting up more, but chooses not to. He peaked out in his 5th year and has been worse ever since. Look at Lebron. For all the flak that he gets, he has improved his FG% consistently, kept his reb’s above 7 which is great for a SF, gets almost 1 block, and always more than 1.5 steals, TO’s a little high but still decent assist to turnover ratio. I don’t like his personality but you cannot hate on his game.

    Melo, it’s time to man up and play some defense and take less 3′s. See what Lebron is doing? try to emulate that. No reason why they can’t have a similar game with his physical tools.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @JL + peregrine and the rest of the retard fraction. what exactly didnt you understand about “thets WHEN it started” not “it was BECAUSE of linsanity” and “i accept that”. where and how are you able to find there that he puts the blaim on somebody else? it is true, most of that unqualified public “selfish talk” began during linsanity for whatever reason. knicks fans owe melo alot for getting dantoni out of ny so we wont let anything get to melo.

  • Eric

    Funny how Melo is called a coach killer, not team player, lazy, holding teams hostage, etc. but no one mentions the fact that Lebron and Dwight Howard did or are doing the EXACT SAME THING. Melo is just under a much bigger microscope than those two.

    Dwight Howard is currently holding the entire league hostage with his nonsense, had a coach fired (not resigned on his own like D’Antoni),
    practically gives up playing on the court when his teammates don’t give him the ball enough (much like Lebron did in the Cavs finals series)…and the list goes on and on…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Eric, what Dwight is doing is very similar to what Melo did. LeBron though, why you think he did that is a mystery. Never did anything close. Honestly, i get that most of the world just blatantly doesn’t like the guy, but people need to learn how to separate their personal feelings from factual events.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    Everyone knows nash never made a finals, and played zero defense right? Melo always ran into lakers, spurs, or mavs. No bucks, 6ers, or other scrub warmup teams for the first round.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t think you can be a superstar and “just” be a scorer. You have to have that extra dimension whether it be rebounding, or passing or defense.
    And the truly, truly top tier superstars have several skills. LeBron, Kobe, Wade all can score, pass, defend and rebound with the best at their positions, or they could in their primes. Even Iverson in his prime could give you 33 and 8.
    Melo scores like a beast. He’s a decent rebounder. He shouldn’t have been asked to play point forward, but he should have been able to be a more efficient scorer in Mike D’s offense. I compare him to Durant. Right now, Durant is showing signs that he’s focused on improving as a passer and rebounder, and until the Finals, he was doing that on the court. Melo needs to challenge himself in the same way.

  • ChipS

    Except Melo didn’t change his mind every week like Dwight. It was Trade Me and was always Trade Me. AllenP, I agree. He shows signs that he is a good passer, just needs to trust teammates more.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dwight never changed his mind. Stop believing everything you read and hear. Dwight always wanted to be traded to a team he wanted to go to. Orlando told him if he didn’t stay he would be traded to LA. Which would have been like Denver telling Melo that if he didn’t stay through the rest of that last season they would trade him to the Mavericks. Or some team he didn’t want to go to, where he wouldn’t be the face of the franchise.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    George Karl wasn’t good enough for Melo. Mike D’Antoni wasn’t either. Two coaches who have won quite a bit in the league. I don’t see how Mike Woodson will be good enough for him. George Karl is the best coach he’s played for. To the commenter who mentioned that scorers being seen as selfish as a false view, I’d say never put Jordan, Durant and Melo in the same sentence. Jordan was always willing to do the little things even while people said a league scoring leader couldn’t win a championship. When people said he couldn’t play defense, he improved to be a great defender. What has Melo improved on really? Also, to say that Melo’s only job is to score the ball because he’s the best scorer on the floor is completely ridiculous. Kevin Durant averaged more rebounds than LeBron did last season and is getting better on the defensive end of the floor. If George Karl couldn’t get him to become more well rounded, I find it hard to believe that Mike Woodson will. No comparison between Melo and LeBron. LeBron played his contract out and left as a free agent. Never got any coach fired. He made Mike Brown look better than he really was. Melo will at some point have to decide what he wants his career to look like. At this rate, he’ll be known as a pure scorer with no other contributions or achievements in the NBA. Even Iverson rebounded the ball and led the league in steals a few seasons. Melo is coming up on his 10th season. Every star player around him in the league is more well-rounded than he is. It may be unfair to compare his game to LeBron’s given that LeBron had a natural skillset that Melo never could or will have. But there are things that can and should be improved upon if the Knicks are going to go anywhere.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think you have too much faith in Dwight NBK.
    I think he did waffle because he so desperately wanted to be liked. It was obvious when he was the only superstar stupid enough to make negative comments about LeBron’s decision instead of just politely declining comment. He wanted to be a “good guy” that’s the image he wants to project. It’s why he prevented his child’s mother from even mentioning his name on the Basketball Wives.
    So, he wanted to leave because the team was being managed poorly, but then when the backlash became crazy and they made some wild promises about improving the squad, he waived his opt out clause. It’s was stupid. I don’t trust every story based on anonymous sources, but based on what I’ve seen from Dwight, I believe he was flip-flopping at times.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    There is no excuse for a cat with melo’s size and strength to not be around 7+ rpg and 48% shooting every season. Durant already in his 5th season, grabbed more rebounds than Melo has at any point in his career.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    @nbk I have read and heard about what the Magic have been doing to Dwight and I see now what you have been saying. I think it’s horrible how they have been screwing around with him since last year’s draft. Now if there’s a superstar player in the league without a team around him that can help him get anywhere, it’s Dwight.

  • http://www.starting5.com.au NM30

    Na mello you’ve had that rep forever

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance

    Dwight could have opted out though couldn’t he? If he truly wanted to leave, why did he agree to stay. Yeah maybe they trade him, but he didn’t have to sign an extension with the new team right? Or do I have that all wrong.
    Anyway, Lebron never held his team hostage. Played until the final game and then went into free agency which is what he said he was gonna do from jumpstreet.
    Melo should take his own advice and keep his mouth shut. His foot always ends up in it.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    You cannot compare the Dwight thing to the Melodrama. In Melos situation, he knew what he wanted, and he stuck with it. And Denver did all the right things and are a solid six or seventh seed. Dwight told the Magic that he wanted a trade. But he could never man up and signed that opt in clause. And the Magic are handling it all wrong. They are likely going to wind up with two years of drama in exchange for Dwight. Either Lakers or Rockets Dwight. Make your pick and spare us all this $hit.

  • ChipS

    Haha, you tell me not to believe everything I read and then bring up hear say yourself. Stop believing everything you read. Your words, Your logic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    Melo needs to get rid of the “yes men” and co-signers and get some “no men” who will tell him what it is.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Dwight was guilted into waiving that clause. He does want to be liked, but he didn’t waffle. From what I’ve heard, he has been wanting to be traded. He’s been consistent. The Magic have been very strategic about what information to leak out. When a guy is told that a player is not available on the trade market, and a few days later the guy gets traded, there’s something crazy going on. When GMs around the league who are clued into what’s going on say that they think the Magic really have no plans to trade Dwight at all, it should be clear that Dwight is being held hostage. Trade him to LA for Bynum. Trade him to Brooklyn for a package around Brook Lopez. Those deals were on the table and the Magic didn’t take them while all the while, saying that they want to trade him.

  • ChipS

    Majority of athletes and people in general need to get rid of yes men. But that comes with the status of being in the spotlight. Doubt that it will change.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I agree with Jtaylor, He should definitely be shooting better from the field especially when you consider the fact that he plays closer to the basket a lot more than durant does.

  • Heals

    Regardless of how you feel bout him in a Knick Uni, there’s no American hoops fan alive that can’t get down with “International” Melo. Dude just looks like the game was designed for him…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    BY ANY MEANS

    If you say you want to leave a team, why sign an agreement which binds you to that team for another year instead of just leaving?
    See, some people say Dwight wants to stay if the team improves, other people say he wants to leave. The fact that this confusion exists is because he has changed his mind.
    Man up like Bron, Wade and Bosh. Say you’re going to be a free agent and make a choice. Or, say you want to stay. Just pick one and stop holding your wet finger up into the wind.

  • pposse

    who is dwight howard or anyone to say that they dont want to go to LA? If Dwight has no intentions on going to LA he needs to get new business advisors. Sure BK would be nice, but LA is nice too! imo Dwight only wants to go to one place and one place only..and thats BK. He needs to come out and just say it already.

  • pposse

    and what is you talking about sin city?? the nuggets are a playoff team without Melo? Stick a finals MVP and or a 3 time regular season MVP/finals MVP and that nuggets team gets out of the first round all the time!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, whether Dwight wants to be liked is not the question. It’s if he wanted to be traded. He did. That never changed. He didn’t want to go to LA (the most popular team in the world) be an unhappy second option and refuse to extend his contract, because then, even more than now, he would have really really been the bad guy. Could you imagine the backlash Dwight would have got from most of the basketball world if he costed the Lakers the second best center in the NBA for a one year rental?
    .
    Basically, whatever Dwight’s reason for staying at last years deadline was, (didn’t want to be the bad guy, didn’t want to be a second (or third in LA as Kobe told him) option, or just didn’t want to be in Shaq’s shadow) he never wavered. He always wanted to play in New Jersey/Brooklyn or Dallas. LA was on his list until Kobe made that phone call and told him he would be the third option. The Magic’s job as an organization is to do what’s best for them, and since they can’t get what they feel they deserve for Dwight, they might as well portray him as the problem. Which is exactly what they have done, and done well.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Wtf@ Carmelo not having enough to win? He lost to the fricking Clippers while they were a top 4 seed I believe. Camby was still doing his thing then too if I remember correctly. Stop it, plain and simple Melo cannot deliver.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    come on guys, you cant compare lebron dwight and the melo drama. what lebron did was worse than any star player ever did b4 when it comes to changing teams. not because of signing with the heat. it was because of how he did it, absolutely classless. but i think nobody is perfect, everybody commits mistakes. bron made up for it and nobody has to like him but everyobody who takes bball seriously has to respect him as a player. he also looks like he really matured as a person. melo and dwight also did some things they could have probably done better but who doesnt? i dont see it this way because i am a knicks fan but id say that melo caused the least drama of this three and didnt really hurt his team / organization in a way you could compare it to bron. i mean where was / is cleveland now after he left? where are the magic now with almost no talent surrounding dwight and having a great coach fired because of dwight? but what happened to the nuggets? melo allways said he wants to ny and the nuggets received more than they gave up imo

  • pposse

    *lebron or wade on the nuggets would have never allowed their seeding to drop to under 4 with that nuggets team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Oh and screw you Oppenheimer I hope you get hit by a boat in open water.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Bron wasn’t completely classless, I dislike the guy but he did donate to the Boys & Girls club from that craziness. His only mistake was he should’ve made the decision about his next team rather than about leaving. Because you just put so much emphasis on the Cavs and them failing to keep you.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    how is what LeBron did worse? what he did was stupid. The decision was completely stupid, uncalled for, and ridiculous. But it wasn’t worse. He didn’t drag a team through drama for half a season. He didn’t get a coach fired. He did what any free agent who has ever switched teams has ever done. He didn’t tell anyone his plans until he made up his mind. What’a dick.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Carmelo has the worst playoff record in the last 20 years just so we’re clear.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.blogspot.com TR

    I just wish Melo’s defensive effort equaled his offensive effort. We’ve seen him be a beast on offense in every way, shooting, offensive boards, going hard in the low post, but on defense we see none of that effort and tenacity.

  • pposse

    i dont remember the decision clearly, and i do not remember him talking much about the cavs at all..i do remember him going on a spiel about Derrick Rose for a good minute, how special a player he is and how the Bulls would have been a great opportunity, and then he started talking about teaming up with D Wade and Bosh and how they are friends. I don’t even think the decision was stupid. Any program which raises 2 million dollars plus for any organization cannot be bad!!

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    lebron had teams flattering around him for like a whole year, his team mates didnt even know about “the decision” and he didnt give his team the opportunity to sign and trade him to get something back, i think that wasnt too nice. plus he know the whole organization was built around him, also the roster. i dont want to say that he owed anything to the cavs or smth. just remember a silly time back then. we all will also probably never find out if he let his team down against boston back then on purpose because he allrdy made up his mind or if it was because of west shaggin his mom and his sore elbow. nobody knows, just saying all these things were somewhere up there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Dan, let it go, Melo is not in the same league as Lebron and Durant. He’s more like a Russell Westbrook(in my opinion). Melo will not win with the kind of player he is now. As a Bulls fan, I like Lebron more than Melo as a player and person. That speaks volumes friend.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    the Cavs did sign and trade him dope.
    .
    The team the Cavs put around him, was terrible. He should have left. Everbody who wanted to win a title would have left. I mean, you can try and ignore how horrible his supporting cast was if the Decision just happened and you didn’t see the Cavs put up one of the worst teams of all time, but it didn’t.
    .
    LeBron James last game with the Cavs – 27 points, 19 rebounds, 10 assists. – that’s letting your team down on purpose Dan? really?

  • Flash

    Wade did nothing til he had shaq? Hah? Rookie year went to the 2nd round beating the hornets in 7 games, then taking on the though pacers team to 6 games. He already made his name buzz before shaq was there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    @nbk na uh in the 07 finals he didn’t come through. His team held it down but he didn’t make it happen. In general, his team wasn’t great but against the Spurs they did fine.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @redd: i agree on that, melo is no overall player and bron is better overall, no doubt.

    @nbk: james got game, no doubt and he played well but you forgot the 9 turn overs. and sorry i wasnt specific enough. was talking about crunch time and i see it quite a bit like most writers by that time. e.g. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/14/AR2010051400010.html

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Were those 90s Knicks teams that were a force in what was perhaps the most competitive era more talented than the current Knick team? No. Those cats had more success in the RS and Playoffs because they were willing to defend, rebound and play team basketball.
    This Knick team will never be a contender as long as their two best think the game of basketball is all about scoring.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    I have a homie who is convinced, based on Dwight’s initial public comments, that he only wanted to be traded because Orlando sucked and if the Magic got more talent he would be happy with staying.
    You say he has always wanted to go.
    I think, honestly, that no one is really sure what he has always wanted to do. Thus the confusion.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @JTaylor: thats true. i just hope they change that state of mind for this season.

  • pposse

    red lebron was 22 or something wen he made it to the finals wit that bummy team.

  • ChipS

    For me, Playoffs is not the only issue. Melo’s team needs to start having better regular seasons. In Denver, yeah they were a 50 win team year after year but look what it got them: Bottom seeds and playing teams in the first round that went on to win the Title or at least make a finals appearance. The one year that they were Top 3, they went to the conference finals and had a legit shot for a title. That year he had injuries all year and didn’t make the all star team because of it. But when playoffs came he was unbelievable. Other than Kobe and Dwight, he was playing the best ball that postseason.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well yeah, Allen, of course it was because they sucked. The Magic haven’t made a single good decision since that 2009 team. If they added a big piece he probably would have stayed, but he knew, just like we did, that Orlando wasn’t going to be able to add anyone. Thus me saying, “he always wanted to be traded” – by always, i meant since his contract was getting closer to expiring. I didn’t mean he wanted to be traded 3 years ago.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, the second best player on that 2007 Cleveland team was Boobie Gibson.
    Boobie Gibson.
    Larry Hughest slummed and so did Eric Snow. Come on now people. LeBron couldn’t shoot, but he still played better than everyone else on his team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Redd, the 07 finals was 5 seasons ago. Lebron didn’t quit on the team, he just couldn’t shoot at that point in his career. So San Antonio treated him like Rajon Rondo. Plus, his second best teammate during that finals run was, Daniel Gibson. Don’t go back to 2007, when the guy was 23 years old and try and say he quit on the team. Poppovich totally outclassed Brown, the Spurs totally outclassed the Cavs. LeBron just wasn’t good enough to beat a team of that caliber by himself. And his teammates weren’t good enough to take any attention away from him on offense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    But when it comes down to 1 shot, u can’t blame his team. Yeah it was in 07 but u guys are mentioning his past with the Cavs & I’m saying he was at the cusp of a ring, it was on him. Thus, you’re right, he wasn’t good enough.

  • LA Huey

    After Melo saw his draftmates team-up in Miami. He wanted to start his own thing in New York. He forgot to notice how all those guys not only played out their contracts to choose how they got to their team of choice, but they all took less money than they could have gotten.

  • bike

    I’m thinking that even the Bron of today, the player that led the Heat to a chip, would not have been able to win the title on that 07 team. That’s how poor his supporting cast was back then.

  • miagus23

    “Jeremy Lin Thinks Knicks Had Success Came When Carmelo Was Injured” would’ve been an article worth reading more than this…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Redd, tell me what did the 2007 supporting cast do that makes you say it was LeBron’s fault they lost?
    .
    Was it Drew Gooden’s second most on the team 12.8PPG in the finals?
    .
    Sh*t only 3 players shot better than 45% on the whole f*cking roster. Drew Gooden (50% – 12.8PPG), Anderson Verajao (67% – 7.8PPG), Damon Jones (45% – 4.5PPG) – not very indicative as of a team that (quote) “held it down”
    .
    Oh wait, maybe your saying the team played good defense? is that it?
    .
    nah, can’t be,
    .Tony Parker put up 24.5 on 57%,
    .Tim Duncan put up 18 and 11.5 on 45%
    .
    or you mean, just Larry Hughes and Sasha Pavlovich did a good job on Manu Ginobili? So the Cavs should have won because of that?
    .
    There is no argument that any championship that wasn’t won in Cleveland is LeBron’s fault. Not a smart one that is.

  • TJD

    I think that Melo could be an incredible DEF player if he continues to improve as he started to towards the end of last season. Hes got long arms, enough speed, and hes bulky enough to box out and grab more boards. He only averages bout 6.3-7 RPG. not incredible but definitely not terrible.

    All of the negative commentary/articles in papers, interviews, that are all about his defects on the defensive side(mainly OR). The assists are an important factor. Overall i dont think he deserves all of the negative energy that less-knowledgeable and over-opinionated fans are giving him based upon one statement which was far too vague to put a definitive label of “Selfish” and put him on blast. Then to say hes being contradictory by ELABORATING on the vague statement and telling the press/fans/whomever what he truly meant by those words.

    Oh and btw the MIAMI HEAT WERE GIFTED TWO GAMES in the finals by NUMEROUS UNCALLED FOULS and DWADE FALLING ON HIS ASS EVERYTIME HE GETS BRUSHED BY A FEATHER. BEST FLOPPER IN THE NBA NEXT TO GINOBLI.GOTTA LOVE THE PATENTED 12ft. THROW-MY-KNEEEINTO YOUR FACE FLOP I mean really? D’you think Kevin Durant is going to miss a 10ft jumper without being fouled? Lebron didn’t even touch the ball..

    checkit

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/6/14/3088650/kevin-durant-lebron-james-foul-nba-finals-2012

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    Redd, someone is bootlegging my name. They no funny rike me. Ha! Carmero anrony is rery good raskerarrer, his gir, rara, is so rery rick and ruicy.

  • SiMoney

    WOW, I feel bad for Melo, the amount of hate on here alone is ridiculous…so lets get this straight, its fault that D’Antoni is an overrated coach (yes i said it), its his fault that DOLAN gutted their team to trade for him because he got scared of the Nets, its his fault that hes ALWAYS lost to a better team (yes thats including the Clippers for that year), also his fault that the Knicks started winning when he was out because D’Antoni finally didnt have to do to much coaching…stop hating on a man who is a great player, best all aorund scorer in the League and is trying, now do I wish that he had a drive like CP3 or Kobe, of course, but atleast give him this year to see what hes really made of, this is make or break for him…but by no means do I think hes “selfish” in such a bad way…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    No it’s that they lost 2 games that were 1 possession away. I think that’s good enough with regards to the team not being so great. They put Bron in position to take over the game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Redd, what are you talking about?
    .
    Game 1 Thursday, June 7 – 85-76 (that’s more than 1 possession)
    Game 2 Sunday, June 10 – 103-92 (that’s more tahn 1 possession)
    Game 3 Tuesday, June 12 – 75-72 (that’s one possession…to tie)
    Game 4 Thursday, June 1 – 83-82 (that’s one possession – in a game down 0-3)
    .
    be rational. how in the world are any of those actually on LeBron? The one game that actually was one possession away from a win, LeBron was the only player with more than 11 points. He also had 10 rebounds and 6 assists. In other words, he was, by a huge margin, the only even good player on the team. Dude also played 46:34 of the 48:00 minutes. One possession at the end of the game makes the loss his fault? Really?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    At that time LeBron wasn’t even the best player in the series – he was the best player on the Cavs – he was not the best player on the floor – that guy Tim Duncan was a whopping 30 years old – the same Tim Duncan who is the best PF of all time – by most accounts, a top 10 player ever – plus he had 2 all-stars playing next to him….LeBron had zero. It is so beyond ridiculous to blame LeBron for the Cavaliers not winning that title that I’m beginning to lose respect for your opinion every time you respond.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Please tell me someone isn’t blaming LeBron for the Cavs losing in 07 to the dynasty that was the Spurs. Did that squad not win 3 championships in 5 seasons? The 07 Spurs would have beaten the Cavs even if LeBron had a better outside shot. Ginobili and Duncan were still in their primes. Parker was dominant. LeBron’s supporting cast was horrible. It took him going wild against Detroit for them to get to the Finals. They weren’t going to win those Finals regardless.
    What’s Melo’s fault is his game. If he had decided when he was in Denver to give more effort on the glass and on defense, that team would have been a top 4 or 5 team in the West when Andre Miller was there. With Iverson, a top 3 team. And with Billups, the same. He could have easily decided to use more energy on defense and rebounding with Iverson helping him with the scoring. He didn’t have to leave Denver to win. But he wanted New York. Now he has it. The scrutiny comes with it. It’s not hate to point out the flaws in his game. We all know he can score with the best of them. But the other guys who can score also do other things to help their teams win. LeBron, Durant, Wade, etc. They all defend and rebound (Durant is becoming a better defender and with being around LeBron/Kobe this summer, I’m guessing he’ll get even better like LeBron did in 08).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    When you’ve heralded yourself as ‘the Chosen One’, you’re expected to show up. Yea Duncan killed it but in those 2 games big Z did OK(in game 3 he arguably outplayed Duncan). Respect is not the notion I chase for while posting. Being swept means it was mostly Lebrons fault in 07, don’t use the lame bad squad excuse.

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1024928/index.htm nbk

    it’s not an excuse he had a lame squad he did have a lame squad. a terrible terrible supporting cast, but the East was weak, and HE, BY HIMSELF, buried the Pistons.
    Also, that’s not the only reason i said. he was also not a good enough shooter at that point to take advantage of what the Spurs were doing. he also wasn’t the best player on the court. and he didn’t label himself the chosen one ignoramus. that was Sports Illustrated. if you need proof you can click my name. even if he did, he just won a title with Miami as the best player, at a younger age then Michael Jordan won his first. If he wins the next 7, he sure will seem like “the chosen one” won’t he?
    .
    In closing, nobody with any semblance of logic who actually paid attention thought the Cavs had a chance at winning more than 1 game in that series. Seriously, nobody. Revisionist history is nice for everyone who likes to bash LeBron, but the only thing it makes you do is look stupid.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Says the tattoo on his back. He was the best player(27-6-6) however he didn’t yet reach his potential, that much you’re right about. Oh and Jordan won his in 7 years without trading into a team with a superstar+all star. It took Lebron 9, save that age junk. Again, Lebron could’ve won least 2 games, he didn’t. Not his team’s fault, but his.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jordan was 28, LeBron is 27. LeRon, younger.
    .
    I didn’t say he doesn’t have the tattoo. I said he didn’t give himself that nickname

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You keep thinking that was LeBron’s fault, I can’t force you to be rational.

  • LA Huey

    Scottie Pippen + Horace Grant > Mo Williams + Andersen Varejao

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Honestly who knows, maybe I’m dead wrong. Too many factors to say for sure but there’s no way u can’t say that he couldn’t win least one win. And age doesn’t mean anything, experience does though.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jordan spent his 3 years in college playing for Dean Smith. Ad he won a national championship. The experience, in terms of learning how to win, at the age of 23, was definitely in Jordan’s corner.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    But winning on a NBA level is different. That experience is greater.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    So what your saying by that is, considering LeBron has a championship and more finals experience by the age of 27 that he is suited to have a better.career? Right? That would only make sense, considering all te things you’ve said in this argument.
    .
    You either have to re-examine your opinion, seed that point, or contradict yourself.
    .
    Go ahead.

  • Jerome

    Melo was in a tough conferenc, but would have put his team in a better position if he learned to play team ball. It’s not too late … or is it?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    His experience helped but you’re saying playing alongside 2 other franchise stars doesn’t help tremendously? Lolllll if you say no you’re extremely delusional to the blatant truth.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Never implied anything even relatively close to that. Good try though

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Nor did I state that it was in fact your opinion, which is why I asked rather than say it. I’ve said it before, I respect your commentary I get the whole Cavs squad thing too, they weren’t too great it’s a given, only thing I disagree with is u comparing Lebron to Jordan, it’s too early for that.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    The Shock Exchange doesn’t believe you … You need more people.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I was just Proving that, whether he gave himself his nickname or not, the 2007 loss does nothing to hurt his legacy. Just like all those losses for Jordan don’t hurt his. And don’t give me te “but Jordan never Lost in the finals” bullsh*t – you have to win more to lose in the finals. Getting there and losing is always better than not getting there at all.

  • jomomma

    maybe u shouldve just let jeremy lin hold the ball and let the team win and continue their run
    instead of being selfish and getting the coach fired and making lin want to go
    u have to be kidding yourself to think jeremy wanted to come back to carmelos team where the point guard isnt allowed to hold the ball

  • jomomma

    WOW THE TEAM CAPTAIN JUST POINTED THE FINGER AT AMARE AND IMAN WHO HAD A GREAT ROOKIE CAMPAIGN

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    As nbk would say, I didn’t imply that at all. No way does it hurt his legacy, everything from here on forth is however going to affect his legacy since its now begun.

  • Allenp

    So Scottie Pippen wasn’t a superstar now? But he made the Dream Team as a.starter?

  • LeBrOn 4 MvP!

    yo mElO GOT to calm the heck down, real talk, east compton, just play ball your way and live up to the thype that you were suppose to be, yall melo you got to step yo game up, casuse yo boys got ringz but you aint got none, you feel me, east compton stand up! real talk . .12 reppin till i die

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Jordan would have won nothing if not for Scottie Pippen who turned himself into a top 50 player. LeBron won after he started playing with a top 50 player in Dwyane Wade…what’s the difference? Doesn’t matter where he did it. They both won with all star teammates. Jordan, Pippen, Rodman…LeBron, Wade, Bosh. That Jordan argument that people use to discredit LeBron isn’t a good one to make. The fact that LeBron got to the Finals in his 4th season with that group of teammates is an accomplishment even without winning a game in those Finals. Recently, the only players I remember who have won without superstar teammates are Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki. Duncan had all star teammates in Parker and Ginobili, Dirk had a teammate who was once the best PG in basketball, one of the greatest 6th men to ever play possibly and a defensive all star in Tyson Chandler. Bottom line, no one does it alone.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Was Scottie Pippen traded in(yes yes Rodman, that was 1 guy)? Read what I said a bit better, I discreetly mentioned/implied LBJ going to Miami.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    These fools are seriously arguing with Redd?! I mean, you’d get smarter comments from the Seed before Redd says anything of substance.

  • Harry P

    It’s not so much that he’s a selfish player, it’s more that he doesn’t make anyone of his teammates better. I was a huge Carmelo supporter watching him from a distance in Denver, and when he came to my team in NY i, along with millions of other ‘bocker fans, was super excited. Then something happened…..mediocrity. I waited for the team to gel, but nothing happened. He put up his numbers, yes……but A’mare disappeared, so did Landry Fields, so did everyone else. Then along comes Jeremy Lin and A’mare is playing like A’mare again, Landry Fields and JLin have this chemistry like they been playing together for years, Steve Novak comes out of no where, but most important theyre winning!!! Then Melo comes back and everyone disappears again and the loses begin to mount. He’s reluctant to change his style of play bc he wants to be THE MAN, even if it means that the players around him suffer. As a knicks’ fan, I’m convinced that “melo ball” doesn’t translate well on the standings, or the box score…..unless of course you’re Carmelo Anthony. He’ll get his numbers, no matter what.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    redd it doesn’t really matter how they got there. scottie pippin is a superstar, as was Dennis Rodman, one of the best rebounders for his size ever. plus jordan had toni kukoc an international beast, Horace Grant, and a guy who at one point shot 50% from 3 in Steve Kerr. MJ had plenty of help.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    as for the selfish thing? Melo’s sorta always been this way, i.e. unwilling to do anything but score in different ways. the nuggets did consistently run into incredible competition when he was with them, but to be fair if you give Lebron or Dwade A.I., Chauncey, andre miller, JR, and the nuggets big men they’re going to win a couple more of those match ups then melo did. t

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    I can’t reply idk y

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    I like you better when you’re use a Internet accent. Lol jk, na you’re entitled to yours as I am mine. @Chinese

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    It’s a thread for commenting, I enjoy posting what I think. I’ve never posted anything crazy and super bias but hey c’est la vie just enjoy commenting.

  • http://bdeue.com rob

    dwightmaare>melodrama at least there was an end to the melodrama

  • http://www.huwlhopkins.com #6marjon

    I guess he wasn’t listening in Denver then?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    So bike gets roasted when he makes racial jokes but Chinese octopus gets a pass, because he has Chinese in his name? racial jokes are racial jokes and If your gonna complain about it on one thread don’t really think it’s cool to do it on other articles. Truthfully its gets even less funny when you force it like you did this thread.

  • http://www.hoopsworld.com IamYOU

    I used to dislike carmelo… And now I hate him.. just kidding I just really dislike carmelo!

  • pposse

    dennis rodman was not a superstar..atleast not a superstar for his abilities on the basketball court. He played d and was the rebound king, but had zero offensive abilities. Superstars are reserved for the elite of the elite, he was not that guy. He was a character tho. I didn’t watch bball in the 80′s but there is a big faction of people out there who will give MJ full credit for the player that Scottie Pippen was.

  • peak507

    man yall hating on melo. melo gets it in its not melo fault that amare became a jump shooter when he got there. its not melo fault that ppl realized lin couldn’t go left to save his life. lin’s contract is ridiculous. you give somebody 25 mill for 8 decent games….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    Shutup can zuck my dink. 1126 wasn’t me

  • MeloMan15

    Lebrons cavs were also in the eastern conference… where at the time it was wayy easier to win a playoff series.

  • MeloMan15

    In his first year in denver, Melo faced the T-wolves in the playoffs (when they had their best year and made it to the WCF). The next year he played the Spurs, Then he played the Clippers in their best season ever, he then played the Spurs again and the lakers twice. With the Knicks he played the Celtics with no amare and no billups, then the heat with an injured amare, no lin and no shump. I don’t know about lebron, but I know for a FACT that Wade wouldn’t have won any of those series

  • pposse

    i dont understand where this notion of the Western Conference was ‘significantly’ better than the Eastern Conference. Only the top 8-10 records were exceptional in the conference; the west also had some of the worst teams in the L in those years too. If your a top 10 team in the West and take 4 wins from each of the bottom feeder teams in the west you are spotted an automatic 20-24 wins on your season. The western conference had a more uptempo offense, and played no defense (besides spurs and lakers). In the east, most teams were defensive oriented and slowed games down, much the way the playoffs are played and won. Its easy for a bottom feeder from the West to come in and steal 1 out of 2 games from these eastern conference teams based on catching a team off guard. The fact a whole bunch of teams in the East were .500 or slightly better should not be held against the East.

  • MeloMan15

    the teams in the playoffs were a lot harder than the east teams in the playoffs

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    What your small Chinese Duck surround by very strange public hair? like you never posted with that racist accent on this site, smh KY

  • pposse

    Miami won, Boston and Detroit almost won twice from 2000-2010 – the lakers and spurs took all of the other chips in the west

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