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Friday, August 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 am  |  146 responses

Charles Barkley Thinks Clyde Drexler Has Always Been Jealous of Michael Jordan


Charles Barkley opened up about some of the drama from the famed Dream Team, making the claim that Clyde Drexler has always secretly resented Michael Jordan. Per ESPN: “I think Clyde has always been jealous of Michael (Jordan), to be honest with you,’ Barkley said. ‘I think he’s always wanted to be compared to Michael. Hey, we all want to be compared to Michael, but we’re not. Clyde was a great player, but there was always that jealousy of Michael. That was one of the incidents and things about the Dream Team, Clyde was trying to play like it was Game 7 against Michael, and that’s probably not a good idea. When Michael is driving his kids to school, he thinks it’s Game 7.’ And as far as what Drexler reportedly said about Magic Johnson in Jack McCallum’s book: ‘Dream Team,’ Barkley picked a side in a dispute. McCallum wrote that Drexler said that people pitied Magic because of his HIV diagnosis and that was the only reason he was on the Dream Team. But Drexler later denied it and said the quotes were ‘totally ludicrous.’ ‘I like Clyde Drexler, but Jack McCallum is a great guy, and I don’t think he would misinterpret anything,’ Barkley said. ‘I saw some of the statements. I thought they were not very cool at all. I don’t think Jack’s going to make up … first of all, he doesn’t have to make up anything. … If I had to believe somebody, I would probably believe Jack McCallum.’”

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  • http://nba.com GP23

    Lol, I think every player was jealous of Michael Jordan.

  • pposse

    is Barkley just saying this out of spite? Didn’t Barkley play on the Rockets with Clyde and they couldn’t get it done? seems a little fishy to me.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Contrary to popular belief, MJ didn’t destroy Clyde during the 92 Finals. Clyde more than held his own (27ppg), it’s just that MJ was signifcantly better (35ppg). It’s like when people say that Hakeem destroyed Shaq during the 95 Finals despite Shaq avg. 28/12.

  • bdgg

    i could see this be accurate. cylde seems like a good guy but i always thought he was somewhat ticked he was never in that category where in the late eighties/early nineties it was magic, bird, mj, barkely and cylde thou he was probably the 2nd best 2 guard it was pretty much a non argument!

  • ctk

    Over 20,000pts,6,000rebs,n over 6000 dimes one of only three n NBA HISTORY…Clyde did more than hold his own

  • bdogg

    i think there was not a rivalry at all. mj clearly was the best 2-guard in that area. was clyde overlooked..maybe and that ticked the glide off but it is what it is…to be honest though he was a lot younger…penny actually was more a competitor vs mj in the mid-nineties than clyde was if you look at stats and the 95-96 playoffs. he dominated pippen!

  • http://www.huwlhopkins.com #6marjon

    “When Michael is driving his kids to school he thinks its game 7″ thats awesome

  • miagus23

    always the same story with Clyde… Great player, but not so much personality wise. Guess that ’92 Jordan performance in Game 1 of the Finals is still on Clyde’s mind…

  • ElPayaso

    @pposse Barkley never played with Clyde, the year Drexler won his ring with Houston that was his last year in the NBA. He retired after that. Barkley is speaking what only he knows how to speak and that’s the truth. Put it this way, Portland got Drexler in ’83, the ’84 Draft they felt that there wouldn’t be a need or a way to work MJ in their system so they got Bowie. That didn’t work out in their favor at all. ’92 Dream Team practices were brutal where MJ was giving Drexler the business, ironically right after he gave them the business in the finals where he dropped 6 3′s in the first half, shoulder shrug as to where it came from, won the chip a few games later and then declared to Chicago that he was happy they drafted him and not Portland

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange Shock Exchange

    After that ’92 Finals, Clyde was clearly diminished, and was showing signs of Stockholm Syndrome. Barkley, Clyde, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Hakeem – these were phenomenal players. They just had the misfortune of being in their prime during the Jordan era.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvwfvTcNl0 danpowers

    i think ringless barkley is jealous of both of them lol

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Lucky for Hakeem he caught Jordan in between retirements.

  • http://minusthebars.blogspot.com don

    You can tell Charles Barkley was raised by a woman.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I think MJ was fortunate that he never faced a C of Hakeem’s caliber in the Finals.

  • Bt

    @elpayaso I stopped reading your comment when you said Barkley never played with Clyde … I took that as a sign you dont know what your talking about (drexler retired in 98 not immediately after he won his chip)

  • pposse

    got you elpayaso. I wasn’t sure, i just remember Barkley on the rockets for a little bit.. and you know that saying “familiarity breeds contempt”

  • pposse

    wait hold on so he did play wit clyde or no?

  • Mel

    I’ve noticed when Barkley joined the Rockets, Drexler took an early retirement. Hmmmmm!!

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Yes during the 96-97 season.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    If you watched those games, Jordan destroyed Drexler. Drexler wanted nothing to do with Mike. yeah, Clyde got his buckets, but go check out his shooting percentages. For most of the playoffs he was at his career average, which was about 50 percent from the floor, but against Mike, his shooting percentage was horrible. He cracked 50 percent once and was hovering around 42 percent most of the series. He fouled out of two games and had three games with 4+ turnovers.
    Nah, Jordan dominated the hell out of Drexler in that series. But, it makes sense that Drexler was going at Mike in Barcelona because he had just lost to Mike in the Finals. He was still salty just like Durant.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    The bigger question is, who’s career would you rather have in basketball, Clyde’s or Barkley’s. Also everybody was jealous of MJ, Pippen even wanted to be traded at one point. That’s why I LOVE how ZEKE would go at MJ, he never cared about the AIRNESS thoughts about him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Drexler played two years with Barkley.
    And Clyde was still averaging 18 a game when he retired, but his percentage had gotten bad. Barkley talks a lot, it’s how he gets paid. Drexler got his ring when he had a chance. Barkley was lazy and didn’t close out on John Stockton’s three pointer.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    I’d rather have Clyde’s career. I think people really forget how great this guy was at his craft. The man damn near had 3 quadruple doubles in his whole career. He could do it all. Unfortunately he played when Jordan played so a lot of players get overshadowed by his Airness.

  • Coach Red

    “When Michael is driving his kids to school he thinks its game 7″
    He probably told ‘em to take the bus or run with him to school as pre-workout for game 7 :-)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That is a good question Seed.
    Barkley gets more overall respect in terms of legacy despite them having roughly equal statistics when you adjust for position. Drexler won a championship and his teams went to multiple Finals with him as the best player. He only made one All-NBA first team, but he played in the same era as Michael Jordan and great point guards.
    Barkley only played in one Finals, but managed to win an MVP. Both players slacked on defense.
    Personally, I would rather be Drexler because I thought he carried himself with a sort of quiet dignity although that could have been fake. He was a right-handed bandit, but I liked his style. Barkley was awesome, but I he rubs me the wrong way, and I feel like he failed his team with his antics on several occasions.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Allen who’s career would you choose between Ewing and Malone?

  • Do Work

    @allenp don’t you mean john paxson? stockton played for the jazz….

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    DO WORK
    Nah, Stockton. When Barkley played for Houston with Olajuwon and Pippen, they could have made the Finals if Barkley would have closed out on John Stockton when Malone set a pick. Instead, with the Rockets up by two, Barkley allowed Stockton to come off the pick clean (Malone was holding on the pick) and drain a three pointer in his mouth.
    I will forever hate Barkley for that moment. Forever and ever.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You’re right. I was looking at Drexler’s FG% for the entire 1992 playoff run not the Finals. He actually had a superb run during that playoffs (26/7/7 on 46% shooting) but in the Finals, his efficiency suffered.
    AllenP, you seem to underrated Barkely a lot. Learn to keep your personal dislike out of it when ranking players.
    Give me Barkley every day of the week and twice on sundays.
    Even though the guy never won a championship, he’s significantly better than Drexler (career and talent-wise).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Ray
    Honestly I would rather have Malone’s career, but I like Ewing more.

  • Do Work

    @allenp ah i see, i thought you were referring to the suns and bulls series in 93

  • Do Work

    allenp, ah i see, i thought you were referring to the suns and bulls series in 93

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    On a totally random note, as I’ve watched the Olympics so far I’ve noticed tons of white people dominating in many sports, particularly for America.
    What I’ve not heard is an argument that white people some sort of innate lung capacity advantage that allows them to dominate at swimming and cycling, or some other genetic explanation for so many more of them are gymnasts.
    Anyone else notice that?

  • KC

    damn does charles ever just shut up for 5 minutes. No one cares what you think chuck. At least Clyde has a ring! Mean while chuck is reduced to kissing Jordan’s ass all the damn time. Dude is such a hater.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Actually, Zeke was the biggest Jordan hater of all … he and certain of his cohorts (who shall remain nameless) went at Jordan from the moment he entered the league. Barkley brought it ever game, 82 games per year throughout his career, thus earning the respect of his peers. You notice how hardly anyone ever claps back at Sir Charles. And the fact that he doesn’t have a ring really isn’t his fault. In the ’86 draft, Philly drafted Brad Daugherty No. 1 and could have had a frontline of Moses, Daugherty and Barkley. They then traded away Daugherty for Danny Vranes and Roy Hinson, and with it, Philly’s all but certain ‘chip. It was absolutely, the worst trade in the history of the NBA.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Yea Allen it’s pretty weird but it doesn’t surprise me at all. If anything their intelligence is constantly commented on.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Minorities don’t swim, aren’t that interested in gymnastics and devote most of their time into basketball and track.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    You guys here about that black gymnists Gabby getting bashed on twitter about her hair? I think I was the only one surprised to find out that a majority of them were black women lol

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    I would agree to a certain degree with that last comment.
    So why is the argument about athletic dominance by black folks constantly going back to some sort of genetic advantage bestowed by slavery or some other cause?
    Did white people develop stronger lungs and more buoyancy because they were devoted to subjugating the world and spent tons of time in ships back in the day? Maybe they mated with dolphins?

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    ^^ Who presents the news and who owns the television stations? It’s from their perspective that the news is presented. Secondly, the media is not in the “truth telling” business. It’s in the business of getting ratings. The reporting “angle” you all allude to is the angle that is going to get the most people to tune in, and keep tuning in.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP, you’re right. I always heard people (even from other blacks) talk about slave masters, through breeding, are the reasons why African Americans are so dominant in athletics. I’m calling BS on that. I know plenty Africans (especially from West Africa) that are superior athletes. There is probably an African on every NFL roster.

  • pposse

    back in the slave days in america, supposedly the slave owners would breed the biggest female slaves with the biggest male slaves. Breed is obviously a hurtful word when talking about humans (of any color), but in this context it makes sense since the slave owners and America for that matter looked at blacks as 1/4 a person or something. The babies created were then always bigger than their forefathers. I have no idea if any of this can be proven thru science. But this is what many of the white people i associated myself around believes. If you look at countries in Africa now, most of the people there are normal sized and just look like white people with different skin colors. I tend to think there is some truth to this theory, but idk.

  • pposse

    the only way this can be proven is if the love child of candice parker and shelden davis becomes the next shaq. **I also want to correct myself..in no context is it okay to use ‘breeding’ when talking about humans and never does it make sense to refer to anyone that way. i just saw what i wrote down and thats clearly not what i meant.

  • bike

    The latest thing going around about genetic advantages for swimmers is wider than average clavacles, larger than average torso to total height ratio, and larger than average hands. Race aside, it’s safe to say certain body types favor certain sports. That’s why you don’t see a lot of 300 pounders running marathons. Those guys head over to the hammer throw.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: You also never hear the media overshadowing a wh!te athlete’s world record performance with unfounded doping accusations… Or claiming that they’ve faked their ages (as they do with China every time Team USA is beaten).
    I think you’re onto something with the boats though. Lonely Island – “I’m on a Boat”??? I think it’s an innate genetic affinity for boats and aquatics.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lack of technological advancements and nutrition are reasons why most africans are “normal sized”.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, I can tell you the Gymnastics thing, has more to do with financial circumstances than anything else. That is one of, if the not THE, most expensive & time consuming sport there is. Gotta have a decent amount of money and a parent (or someone) with nothing to do every afternoon.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Gymnasts are some of the best athletes I have ever seen though. The sh!t they do is amazing. I can’t even wrap my head around it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Teddy, the time China was accused of faking the age of their Gymnast, they did. It was proven by a hacker.
    .
    “Chinese officials last week unveiled a team bound for London with an average age of about 19.5 — nearly four years older than the minimum of 16 required to compete at the Olympics.
    .
    How did the Chinese team get so old in a sport that favors the flexibility of smaller, younger bodies? After age controversies dogged the Chinese for more than a decade, the sport’s international governing body in 2009 put in place a system to certify athlete ages. And China’s team, which won gold during the Beijing Games, just didn’t have a deep bench of new teen talent.”

  • pposse

    how many of you guys have heard of 13 and younger kids able to dunk a basketball? Dunking in itself is an athletic feat if u ask me. The only people i have ever seen do this have all been black. Remember VC claimed he was dunking at the age of 9! Did any of you guys ever even hear of a non-black kid dunking from 10-13?? i have witnessed kids dunking routinely at the park around my parents house in the suburbs (all of which were black)! It might have something to do with the diet..

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    one of my best friends growing up first dunked a ball when he was 13. He was white.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    nbk: “And China’s team, which won gold during the Beijing Games, just didn’t have a deep bench of new teen talent.” That would explain it–that has nothing to do with actually faking their ages. If it were proven beyond a doubt that the women’s team had been faking their ages, they would have been stripped of their 2008 medals. This hasn’t happened and I doubt it will.
    USA is one of the worst losers in sports. It really is. During the 2004 Olympics in Athens, the US media ranked nations based on # of Gold Medals, because the US was the world leader in gold medals. Those same media corporations switched their rankings to total # of medals in 2008, just so they could put US as #1 when China was beating them. It’s insane.

  • davidR

    my filipino friend was dunking as a 5’8, 14 year old filipino kid

  • bike

    I also knew a kid growing up that could dunk at 13. He was white and 6’8″. Unfortunately, he had no interest in basketball and spent most of his high school years stoned to the gills.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I gotta agree with Teddy on this one. Look at that chinese swimmer that won the gold medal in record time. Instead of congratulating and giving her the benefit of doubt, they spent the entire pushing their “she must be cheating” agenda. How come no one posed the same questions when Phelps won 8 gold medals in the 08 Olympics?
    Americans have been caught cheating just as much as any other nation in the Olympics.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    In 2000, there was at least one underage gymnast: Dong Fangxiao. Her true age wasn’t discovered until 2008, when she applied to be an official in the Beijing Olympics.
    .
    (in regards to 2008) One of the gymnasts whose age was in question is He Kexin. As of now, the IOC officially accepts He’s passport, which states that she was 16 at the time of the 2008 Olympics. The investigation is currently closed. However, a blogger named David Walker did find cached web sites that stated that He was 14 at the time of competition, not 16.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i’m not saying the US media doesn’t do everything in its power to make the US look superior, that’s not what i’m arguing. I know that happens.
    .
    I’m also willing to bet the Chinese media does the same thing to the Chinese public.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    “Swim white people swim while you still can…because the black seal is coming” – Paul Mooney

  • bike

    In addition to segregation and fear of drowning, one of the big reasons blacks don’t swim is concern of what it will do to their hair. Women’s hair, that is.
    We can do something about segregation and fear but it is impossible to change a women’s opinion about what something might do to their hair.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The NUPE

    I’ve known several white kids (and other races) that could dunk when they were 12-13 years old. Two of the white kids that were dunking back then both played volleyball in HS and college and prefered volleyball over basketball. I think a lot of sports are dominated by players who have access to play that sport. More white kids have year round access to swimming pools, diving platforms and more likely have the financial means to afford golf lessons, gymnastics lessons etc. So some of the racial differnces I would argue are more about opportunity/access than anything else. Thats why so few blacks are in the winter olympics, many of the people who ski, snow-board etc are from Utah and other areas where they have more access to mountains. If more blacks/asians/latinos lived near ski slopes, you’d find more in the olympics. If more put thier kids in programs where they could get year round training for gold, tennis, swimming, gymnastics etc, you would find more culture in those sports as well. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that the majority of beach volleyball players come from cities/states where there are a lot of beaches.

  • LA Huey

    “When white boy is doing it well, it’s success. When I start doing it well, it’s suspect”

  • DubJay

    Hey Bike, did we go to high school together?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Sorry to go off subject gentlemen, but Drexler shouldn’t be jealous of anyone. No NBA All Star or Superstar player really should.
    You are doing the most you can with your talents right? Then why be jealous of a guy that’s doing the most with his and it just so happens he is out doing you. Drexler’s career is far from something to be ashamed of. Personally I don’t know who I have better all time between him and Jerry West. Drexler was an amazing player. He should and i’m sure is comfortable with who he is and how his career panned out.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    I’m white, 6’4, and I can dunk it pretty easily. Not trying to sway this convo into a “who can do what?” section. But, I’m just saying. White people can JUMP ! (Billy Hoyle anyone?) lol…
    Anyway, racial stereotypes are still around with what someone can or can’t do…..

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Allenp
    I agree with you, I would take Drexler career over Barkley. Drexler gets not credit for his career, he was clearly overshadowed by MJ. Imagine if they would have played with each other. Would MJ have been MJ. Its neat how things work out. Barkley is jealous of everyone that has a ring. Kenny kills him with that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    my boy was 5’9″ – he hit puberty at like 9. Kid had a 40″ vertical by middle school (he also played more hoop than anybody i knew at that age). He was white. It’s more a matter of when you mature, and how you go about athletic activities. Jumping high doesn’t just randomly happen. You have to develop the muscles.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    nbk: The only problem is that the US/Europe have the most expansive, wide-ranging and powerful media corporations in the world. If they associate an entire country with cheating enough times, people start believing it even if it’s not true. That’s how advertising/propaganda works. They were incredibly salty that 16-year-old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen broke a white girl’s record and out swam male studs Ryan Lochte and Michael Phelps in the final 50 m. Instead of praising her for making history on an incredible performance, as they would ANY white athlete, they tried to slander her. This is unbelievably bush league. For her third event, the women’s 4 X 200 m relay, she had to stay up until 2 am the night before doing a drug test… Talk about sabotage.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    To be clear, I’m disagree with the idea of these innate genetic differences caused by selective breeding.
    I lean towards access and dedication as driving who excels at which sports.
    But I think it’s funny that the same folks who make the argument for black folks that it’s all in the genes, or at least partially in the genes, rarely do the same for white rowers or bicyclists.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Co-sign Teddy on the media aspect. It’s so powerful that it can literally brainwash people’s minds into believeing something that THEY (the media) want them to believe.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    I honestly think that everybody that played during the nineties is jealous of Michael Jordan. If Michael Jordan hadn’t played then a lot of stars would have rings. Malone and Stockton, Barkley, Drexler, Ewing, and maybe Penny and Shaq. So everybody is jealous of him. But Charles is the one that talks about it most. My father and nbk’s troll both hate Michael Jordan because my dad was a fan of the Lakers in the nineties. Their worst era. My brother, as i’m sure every poster here is aware of is just an idiot.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    No other media rivals the US/Europe’s and no, nobody from Chinese media accused Mike Phelps or any other white athletes of doping after breakout performances in Beijing. They are not the same whatsoever. A Chinese doctor did accuse Mike Phelps of doping this year, and the media treated it as a joke.
    There actually HAVE been other surprise stories these games, with a 15-year-old Lithuanian girl winning gold who also “came out of nowhere,” as well the French team beating out USA. Here’s a headline from a Reuters (UK-based) article:
    “WRAPUP 5
    - Olympics – Lithuanian girl, 15, star of heroics in the pool
    * Swimming surprises cap dramatic day at Games
    * French, Lithuanian victories against the odds
    * Questions over Chinese swimmer’s stellar times [LOL!]
    * Swiss soccer player expelled for racist tweet”
    They aren’t even trying to hide it. It’s so childish and so pathetic.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And I agree with Teddy about how they did that Chinese girl. Little white chicks are setting world records four years AFTER getting rid of the bodysuits that were supposed to make world records unattainable and no one has any questions? Really now?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Here’s another little-known fact: Since 1968, when PEDs were banned from international competition, the US has had eight athletes test positive for PEDs either during or after competing in the Olympics. China has had one. ONE! And for volleyball.
    (That being said, lots of countries have athletes who dope but most are caught before they can compete in the Olympics).

  • bike

    Jumping ability can be developed by hard work like playing lots of b-ball and plyometric exercises but it also has a strong genetic component. Some guys are born with a higher proportion of fast twitch muscle fibers. That goes for any race. In basketball, the most elite leapers are almost exclusively black. There really isn’t a track and field event that measures pure leaping ability – the high jump is more of a technical event and the long jump is more of a speed event. I guess that maybe we should assume the science behind this debate is guilty until proven innocent.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i totally agree about the media teddy. i was strictly talking about the gymnastic teams. it’s pretty widely accepted that the Chinese used underage gymnasts in Beijing. But it’s pretty hard to disprove something that is being supported by an entire country unless the actual athlete whose age was “changed” is who screws up, as Dong did in 2008 (which resulted in China’s olympic bronze from 2000 being stripped). I don’t care either way, if a younger girl beats older girls at a sport that is reliant on practice time and dedication rather than whatever advantage being younger in the sport provides (increased flexibility & a lower chance of injury, really being the only advantages) then good for them. I just know, China has a history of changing the age of their Gymnasts, up until this year, when the new screening process for age was implemented, and the teams average age jumped over 2 years higher then it has been during any previous Olympics. China has been caught cheating in the past and would have gotten away with it if the athlete whose age they changed didn’t apply to be an Olympic judge. There is little to no reason to believe they wouldn’t do it again.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I am not arguing that China cheats more than other countries, or that our media doesn’t try and demonize other countries. At all.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Chineseres are predisposed to ping pong because of their slanty eyes. True story,

  • SeanMagicJuan

    @bdogg “…to be honest though he was a lot younger…” Clyde Austin Drexler- June 22, 1962. Michael Jeffrey Jordan- February 17, 1963. That’s eight months. He career falls directly in line with Jordan’s.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Fair enough, bro. Thanks for clarifying.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah, i was not trying to make it seem like i support the narrative played by the American Media. I know it came off that way, didn’t mean it like that. I think it’s total bullsh*t how this stuff is portrayed. For the record.

  • LA Huey

    I mastered kegel excercise when I was only 7 years old. As a result, the force of my skeet is comparable to that of a shotgun blast. Neither side of my family has mentioned any feat relative to my ability. So probably some genetic potential unlocked by my hard work (pun intended) and dedication.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t decide if that’s the real LA Huey or a troll.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Living just outside of Portland almost my entire life, Clyde was my guy.. A real class act.. I remember when Blazers/Bulls were in the finals, Mike wore a t shirt under his warm-ups with a cartoon picture of Clyde on it.. lol..

  • http://theurbangriot.com The NUPE

    U.S. and Europe media are big in the US and Europe, but not so big in the rest of the world. I doubt that the Chinese media made nearly as much of a deal about the girl being accused of doping as did the US media. It was huge news in China durig the beijing olympics about Phelps being accused of doping and having to undergo additional testing. However, that wasn’t widely discussed/reported in the U.S. My guess is that media likes to either protect or support thier own. I think any swimmer of any race that had such a dramatic change from thier previous timed swims would have had the exact same treatment as far as undergoing additional testing – it just makes since and is/was the prudent thing to do. Not because she was chinese but because she had never posted a time anywher near that before. It’s easy to point to race/nationality/creed etc. as an excuse/motivator, but sometimes it’s not that at all. Lance Armstrong has prbably be accused of doping more than any other athlete I can think of, and he’s a white guy with a ‘great’ story of overcoming cancer etc. I’m sure if he was black/asian people would say that it was racially motivated too.

  • bike

    Ye beat her personal best by 5 seconds which is almost unheard of at this level. This day and age, a dramatic improvement over a short period of time is what raises eyebrows in any sport. It’s the times we are in.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    The US/Europe have the most expansive media in US and Europe, not in asia (almost non-existent in China). During the last summer games it was huge news that Phelps was accused of doping and had been forced to take additional test. However, that got very little media coverage in the US. My guess is that this girls doping acusation isn’t getting nearly as much attention in China as it it in the US. Sometimes doping accusations just make since when an athlete has an unusually fast time compared to all the previous times that specific athlete recorded. Shaving a full 4 seconds off your previous fastest time is more than enough reason to cause suspetion. Lance Armstrong has been accsed of doping more than any other athlete I can name. I bet if he was black or asian people would say those accusations were racially motivated as well.

  • Heals

    Not disagreeing with US being sore losers, BUT in addition to what nbk has brought up, the Chinese swim team (not sure what events in specific) was caught doping at a “World” event within the last year. The girl shaved 5 seconds off her previous time (unheard of in swimming) and bested Lochte final lap from Beijing, c’mon to not raise an eyebrow or at least address the issue would be even more of a problem to me…

  • LA Huey

    LOL. It’s me, homie.
    Man, this slave-gene theory is so offensive. My mother is Japanese, my father is African-American, and I’ve been athletically active from a very young age. It’s annoying as hell, when someone assumes my abilites are based primarily on genetics and not the time and effort I put into developing my game.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bike
    Actually, they say Phelps shaved 4 seconds off his personal best from his first Olympics to his second when he was a similar age.
    They actually said that on the broadcast.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    If Clyde was in any other era, he would likely been in the debate as the best SG. He was a special player, no doubt about it. He played for a small market most of his career and didn’t have a very ‘flashy’ personality. I highly doubt he was ‘jealous’ of MJ or anybody else. He probably wondered why he didn’t get the hype, and I’m not sure if he would have wanted it or not. I think it was Chris Mullen who said that he would have hated to be in the shoes of Magic, Larry or MJ because wherever they went they would get mobbed and couldn’t live a ‘normal’ life. However, he could walk around town with his wife and kids, go to resturants, movies etc and possibly sign a few autographs, but nothing over the top. I think Clyde had the best of both worlds, he had money, fame, stats and most importantly a public life he could with his family. A 23 year old player probably wouldn’t have understood that, but by time he was on the dream team, he probably understood that well.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Allenp:
    Because Phelps shave so much time off his record that’s why he was accused of doping and it was the biggest thing mentioned in the chineese media for several days. Didn’t get a lot of play in the us media but a ton of press in the asian markets. That’s partially why I think that this girls doping suspicions didn’t get much play in the chinese market (I’m not in China so I don’t know for sure. BTW, I was in China during the last olympics and saw the coverage first hand. When I talked to my family in the US, they didn’t even know he was accused of anything). The power of the media

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Huey, tell me about it.
    You seen the “White Men Can’t jump” movie??
    That movie has pretty much been my life story. A lot of my black and white friends seem surprised I can jump outta the gym, like I am not human lol. That’s not their fault for being baffled, but from the racial stereotypes still evident in today’s society….

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    BossTerry be Bossing.

  • bike

    Allenp
    There were a lot of questions about Phelps doping in the 08 Olympics. He tested clean and I suspect Ye will too. I actually don’t believe that level of improvement is that unusual for a swimmer that young. But any spike in performance comes under scrutiny these days.

  • Brad09

    a girl posting a faster time, a 16 teen year old with China? with the rep that country has I think its safe to say shes a doper. Until she is proven innocent people will probably think hes a doper, rightfully so. Btw we are talking about the same country who forced yaos parents to have him

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The Chinese Girl tested clean within a day of the race.
    I mean, do people think the doping just magically kicked in for one race, but she didn’t use it in all her other heats and races? Because it’s not like she’s been blowing everyone out of the water in every race. It was just that one race.

  • Heals

    @Ap, We in here talking bout swimming, not, not Hoops, but swimming, not hoops, I mean not hoops, but swimming, swimming!?!? Thanks for the tidbit on Phelps (you too BossT), I was referring to the announcer saying it was 5 secs off her qualifying time the previous day though. No biggie, she’s still incredible either way…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It actually took me a second to catch that reference.
    I don’t know if she was doping or not, she could be. But, like Teddy said, it grinds my gears that when some people are amazing their is one narrative, but when other people are amazing the narrative changes.

  • bike

    The USA thinks Ye cheated because she kicked our butts. Same reason the Chinese thought Phelps cheated in 08.
    Losing always brings out the best in all of us.

  • Heals

    Mos def Ap, all I can say in response in LanceArmstrng in USA vs LanceArmstromg in France…

  • hillbilly

    I think allenp might just be onto something with his ‘whites have superior lung capacity’ theory. For example, isn’t it strange that you never, ever see a skinny black kid outrun a fat-assed white police officer on “Cops”? Well, except for that one time when they did a special edition of “Cops” in Nairobi. But, I digress.

  • pposse

    im gonna take the kat williams approach to lance armstrongs doping allegations “if they keep talkin about it 20 years later, you been doping”

  • pposse

    any yall ever seen that one cops epsiode where the guy jumped a high way fence and they couldnt find him?? the show just ended, never ever before or after did i see cops when they don’t catch the guy!

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    2:50 is the only comment that I (the REAL BossTerry) posted… Not that I dont agree with whatever was said… Please check your s/n before submitting.. thanx. :D

  • Basketball_iQ

    Damn I’m late but here I go:
    @jtaylor- stats don’t mean a fkn thing, re-watch the games themselves & jordan DID KILL drexler,& hakeem did kill shaq, da hell you been watching.
    Okay, drex vs mj
    Drexler did full up stat sheets BUT it was always quiet numbers, like buckets that didn’t matter in the scheme of the game,,,, jordan’s buckets were always significant coming in key stretches & moments.
    I remember those days & to the glides credit, he was always a handful & carried the blazers in his own right but he never had a pippen

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Lance Armstrong is not a valid comparison at all. First of all, the media loved him as soon as he started winning. Second, there was ACTUAL evidence that Lance Armstrong was probably doping. Three of his team doctors have been banned by the US Anti-Doping Agency for injecting athletes with PEDs–that is definitely cause for concern. That is not the same as accusing someone who has no history of doping, and without evidence, of cheating.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Not sure I can stand watching the gymnastics/swimming/diving anymore, esp if you have to watch the NBC replays in the evening. They’re constantly putting down any foreign athlete and always find something to criticize about them even with a near perfect performance. But the US athlete gets tonnes of praise and encouragement even when they really mess up. NBC finds a special joy in showing the failures and the subsequent heartbreak of the foreign competition. They will spend a minute showing the Russian gymnists crying and go on about how they are so inferior. I know you’re trying to appeal to the local audience but cmon man!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, there is just as much evidence that Lance Armstrong has been doping as there is that Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens have been doping.
    Think about it. Mark McGuire too.

  • LA Huey

    GP23, I feel you. I just don’t get how people let stereotypes guide them THAT much.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Exactly. Also I still don’t believe there were serious accusations against Phelp for doping. And the difference, of course, is that China is one country–while the Western media spans pretty much the whole world, just like Western influence. That’s a natural consequence of imperialism. I don’t buy what some ppl above (NUPE, BossTerry) are saying regarding Chinese media being on the same plane as Western media. It’s pretty universally acknowledged that the New York Times is the world’s most powerful newspaper.

  • bike

    Sad part about Lance is that if no one in cycling was doping, he probably would have still dominated clean. No one is ever going to get him to admit it though. Never.

  • http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/armstrongcharging0613.pdf nbk

    Lance Armstrong was doping. And has been issued a letter informing him of his charges. You can click my name if you haven’t read the charges yet.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    Teddy you absolutely have a point about what the US saying china is cheating whenever it beats them. no question. but how is it not suspicious that a 16 year old girl was faster than Ryan f*cking Lochte? that doesn’t strike you as odd at all?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh wow. Yeah he’s on trial isn’t he?

  • http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/armstrongcharging0613.pdf nbk

    he will be, yes.

  • pposse

    us as americans shouldn’t really care which country is outperforming the next country. the olympics is about unity and sport and sportsmanship, and watching sports that we as americans would normally not tune into at all. They should just get rid of that stupid medal count. Its up in the corner of the tv at all times, and forces people like us to think that it matters. Something simple like that would hardwire peoples brains differently imo.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Datkid: I don’t find it suspicious, I find it amazing.
    However, her overall time for the race was still slower than his. Also she was trailing up until the freestyle, which is her strongest stroke. All her races have been that way–she usually conserves energy at her weaker 3 strokes and then takes the lead in the final 50 m. Lochte had the lead the entire race and likely slowed down near the end.
    That being said, I don’t want to sound like a woman could never beat a man in swimming or other power sports. Yes it’s rare but I don’t think it’s impossible. That’s my opinion.

  • Heals

    @Teddy, I was only using Lance as an example to Ap’s point about how the media/fans perceive extraordinary athletic achievements by “their” guy vs someone else’s not as a doping comparison for the young Chinese swimmer. Lance is trash in France, but an ICON in the USA.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Does anyone else share Brad09′s belief that the Chinese government forced Yao Ming’s parents to mate in order to conceive a super-giant? LOL.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Heals: Okay yeah, good point then.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Teddy, In 2005, former Newsweek writer Brook Larmer published a book entitled “Operation Yao Ming”, in which he said that Yao’s parents were convinced to marry each other so that they would produce a dominant athlete, and that during Yao’s childhood, he was given special treatment to help him become a great basketball player.
    .
    A lot of people share that belief.
    .
    I have no opinion either way, because I have no idea.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Ivan Drago Part 2?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    What does convinced mean? If I introduce two people to each other, and they end up marrying, could I say I convinced them to marry? How can anyone believe such obvious absurdities though? The angle they’re going for, of course, is that the Communist “totalitarian” government will stop at nothing to win, so they’ll force ppl to mate like zoo animals to engineer a talent, since unlike white capitalist countries, they can’t play fair.
    That’s nonsense, man. I don’t even have to read the book. the second point about him being given special treatment–that’s perfectly normal. In the US there are sixth graders who are given “special treatment” too.
    In China they do recruit kids into different sports based on physical attributes; it is pretty scientific-based, which seems to work. A coach chose Ye Shiwen for swimming, for example, when he noticed how big her hands were as a child. There’s nothing wrong with that. Everyone picks talent for basketball based on height.

  • bike

    So that rumor about Ye getting infused with bluefin tuna DNA at birth might be true?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    As bad as China gets it from the media though, North Korea has it about 5X worse. There is absolutely nothing positive coming coming out about North Korea, ever. And they’re doing really well these Olympic games. If North/South Korea ever move past their artificial divide, they’ll be an Olympic powerhouse. Probably at least 3rd in the world.

  • pposse

    i always thought shaq may have been an army experiment with all that army base traveling he did with his dad back in the day. to this day, shaqs skills make no sense and defy logic and physics.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ nbk: Of course, both Yao’s parents were on the national basketball team. No doubt the recruiters knew that their child would be a super-giant. I just think it’s absurd to believe they could *force* two people to mate; actually it’s pretty insulting. But yeah, any smart recruiters would do the same, I think.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You’d have to read the book to totally understand what the author meant, i have no idea. But i have heard the story many different times, in a few different ways. The most believable i’ve heard so far (that i don’t believe or disbelieve) is that his parents were “set-up” by the government, but not specifically with each other, but put in a situation where 2 of the tallest most athletic people in china would eventually end up together and have children. — The story about his special treatment, and his parents being encouraged to have multiple children, starts immediately after Yao was born. Which is what makes that aspect unique. — Like I said though, I don’t necessarily believe this to be true, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all to have it confirmed that China took measures to give them the best chance of having something like that happen.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Not insulting from you, insulting from Brad09. But kind of funny he stated that as if it were fact, lol.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i’d never believe that China would just force two people to mate. That’s ludicrous.

  • jerico

    @Jtaylor the glide averged 27 in overall for the post season, mj held the glide to 24 ppg on 40% shooting in the finals

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    The guy who posted something at 2:40pm was not the Shock Exchange. I always like a good laugh, but that comment was anything but funny. It’s bad enough that you keep posting the link to my website which is about basketball, education and working with kids.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    have you not been paying attention since you started commenting here? Slam shares your information. Other people get it, and post as you. Normally, they say something completely offensive. It’s why we call them trolls.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    It’s okay Shock, we knew it was the troll and not you.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange Shock Exchange

    @Teddy-the-Bear Cool.

  • Heals

    @Shock, your info came up on my cpu before I posted too, may wanna clear your browser cache, etc…

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    I’m not sure the Shock at 5:41 is him either; he didnt reference himself in the third person. :/ Didn’t Russia force two people to mate in that Rocky movie? Is it so far-fetched that a nation that has a history of social engineering, to take it one step further? (Talking about limiting # of children and slaughtering of first born girls)

  • BV

    Drexler was the the 2nd best 2 guard in the league for most of his career, and arguably the 2nd best player in the league between ’90-92. If he is the competitor I think he is, of course he’s going to resent MJ to a degree. Would you really expect one of the best players in the league to not want to go all out against MJ?

    It’s more evident to me that Charles has something against Clyde. Obviously Charles calls things how he sees them, but if him and Clyde were friends or at least got along you’d think he would stand up for his former teammate and competitor?

    The NBA was so much more colorful back then with the story lines and rivlaries. Now everyone hugs and kisses. Shame.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    The NUPE is consistently on his Uncle Tom ish. I don’t even believe he’s a Nupe.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    I also heard that story about yao…although I have heard other variations where they just naturally fell in love. As a child I heard it and believed it bc I was a really stupid kid, but I gotta say it seems ridiculous now. I still don’t all the way believe that one girl, but if it’s true props to her.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Oppenheimer…u should just leave this site now. You’re killing me, I’ma add u to the Whats Beef? list with Lakeshow & GarPax.

  • http://Ronaldpang@hotmail.com Ronald

    The US basketball team was obviously doping against Nigeria. Their shooting display is unheard of. Obviously took some P(shooting)ED.

  • Dingo Rob

    Shaquille was a US experiment, they were looking to make a super soilder however they kept getting shot as the were taller than trees

  • http://www.slamonline.com Chinese Oppenheimer

    Redd, kick rocks.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4FqOUz-Ia4 Ugh

    @Allenp – Just a quick point: it’s really unfair to rate Drexler and Barkley in the same slacker category on defence. There are few defenders in the last 20 years of NBA history as bad as Barkley.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ugh
    Man, I know it seems unfair, but I remember watching Clyde in Houston and in Portland, and he really was a pretty bad defender. But, he typically was so dominant on the other end that he overwhelmed cats. When he had to match against Mike, you could see all the bad defensive habits. The reaching, the issues with early positioning. Maybe Clyde tried harder more often, but as far as consistent technique, they are about the same.

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