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Thursday, August 9th, 2012 at 10:43 pm  |  475 responses

Dwight Howard Reportedly Headed to Lakers in Four-Way Trade


It’s over! Dwight Howard is officially a Laker—or at least will be after a call is made to the league office Friday morning. As part of the deal, Andrew Bynum is headed to Philadelphia, with multiple pieces from the Lakers, Magic, 76ers and Nuggets moving around. More details, via ESPN: “A four-team trade that would send Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers is complete, multiple sources told ESPN on Thursday night. A source with direct knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com’s Marc Stein the Lakers will receive Howard, the Denver Nuggets will acquire Andre Iguodala, the 76ers will receive Andrew Bynumand Jason Richardson, and the Magic will get Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Nikola Vucevic and one protected future first-round pick from each of the other three teams. In addition, the Magic will be getting other pieces, including 76ers No. 1 draft pick Moe Harkless, a source told Stein. Sources close to the process told Stein and ESPNLosAngeles.com’s Ramona Shelburne that a trade call with the league office has been scheduled for Friday to secure the necessary NBA approval to make the deal official. Lakers forward Pau Gasol had been in and out of talks, sources told Shelburne. Earlier Thursday, Yahoo! Sports, citing sources, reported that talks of a four-team trade involving Howard have taken place this week and have ‘grown serious.’”

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  • Your Friendly Neighborhood Dopeman

    Welp.

  • http://slamonline.com Fut.

    sad face for the rest of the l

  • Hart

    This was a great trade for EVERYONE!……except Orlando.

  • Mischief

    Not a Philly fan but hate to see Iggy leave.

  • James

    Orlando lose..I dont think they will have high 1st round picks on those trade.

  • kantankruz

    The only thing that makes me mad (apart from this being the stupidest trade ever by Orlando) is LA not having to give up both Pau and Drew for DBag. Why do teams keep gift wrapping players for the F’n Lakers!?!

  • Dungeon Family

    CAN’T WAIT!!!!*Bart Scott Voice*

    This upcoming Season gonna be Epic!

  • http://youtu.be/zrHG1pIo_Wo Lboogie

    :) lakers are going for the ship. and its serious….they are not fuggin around

  • http://youtu.be/zrHG1pIo_Wo Lboogie

    Because the Lakers make money…Because the lakers signed a 3 billion dollar contract for TV. TV needs viewers and people to pay for that network. WIN WIN WIN , its how society and life keeps on rollin SON@#!

  • gerard

    like this trade for devener giving up a back up PF and getting a good player like iggy good trade for every one except magic should have taken deal from nets at the start lopez is a solid center and the hump is a double double machine and brooks is and up and comming player.

  • BWill82

    How awkard is it for Iggy right now? Good job by Mitch.

  • Cal

    I would pay money to see the look on Lebron’s face right now. LAKERS BABY

  • Oh Nose

    Don’t see how the Magic got any positives out of this trade….teams were willing to unload for Dwight. Pulled the trigger too late

  • gerard

    i heard on nba .com and other places that paul is going to the magic in the trade as well

  • OTB

    They don’t even get Bynum…what a stupid trade for Orlando. As a fan of the Lakers, that Pau/Dwight lineup with Jordan Hill as a backup is beastly. And I haven’t even gotten to Kobe and Nash in the backcourt. Just wow.

  • http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

    Let’s just wait to see what David stern has to say about this…. Imagine for a moment if that trade for Chris Paul didn’t get a mutumbo from stern…..scary right.

  • Shifty

    Can’t really see iggy in another uniform, what is going to happen at the Small Forward position now with denver? in regards to the Italian Stallion?

  • markorsomething

    NO NO NO NO NO. F*** all you Lakers fans . You’re all bandwagon fans! Damn it!!!

  • dee

    In Ron Simmons voice…DAMN!

  • MtotheS

    Stern is totally going to nix this watch.

  • Rnz

    Is it just me, or is the NBA is getting more and more Game of Throne-ish?

  • dee

    Okay Mitch…get your Jerry West on! Banner #17 soon come.

  • MtotheS

    Super excited right now. Hey Redd, how does LA look now? Exactly. Interesting to hear what Lakeshow, jtaylor, and nbk think of this.

  • markorsomething

    Everyone needs to stfu about the chris paul trade, the Lakers are constantly ripping off teams in trades and sh*t. When they became the oppressed, people were flippin’ their sh*t.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    (Nas Voice) “Bye-bye baby”

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    omg i dont even care anymore im just glad its over… what shocks me more is iggy leaving phila.

  • Cal

    Bill Simmons is on suicide watch.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    That 11:08 comment was me. Not trolling, just didn’t notice the name.

  • Lenny

    I feel sorry 4 iggy man…he deserves more from Philly…no loyalty smh

  • SacTownBaller7

    Danm Iggy leaving philly,And everyone else, And All because crybaby Dwight Wanted a trade. Like the dude But I yhink he knows he messed up. Nothing he could do now. And aint going to be when hes gonna have alot of hate

  • Oh Nose

    cosign @Rnz

  • T-Money

    why not just let him walk then?

  • Young C

    Im gonna miss the hell out of Iggy’s dunks(he really is fun to watch and makes everyone better) but this is the first good trade the Sixers have made since I can remember. They just traded Iguodala for the second best center in the NBA. If Bynum can stay healthy, their future looks very bright.

  • jayrose

    why ppl feeling sorry for iggy? I mean yea he went to a smaller market but iggy is going to fit good with the nuggets. Nuggets are going to be a good team to watch especially now that wilson chandler is coming back. Good trade for everybody…..except orlando of course…unless in some miraculous way they get gasol too but other than that finally happy dwightmare is over.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Orlando FO are f*cking retards…all this and you didn’t get Bynum nor Brook lopez to build with not necessarily around. SMH…….the Lakers are the 1% of the league.

  • http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=tablet-android-verizon&tbo=d&gbv=2&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=the+goonies+sloth&oq=the+goonies+sloth&aq=f&aqi=g5g-S4&aql=&gs_ LakeShow

    I honestly feel bad for the rest of the league. This is unfair…
    But god I love it!
    Nash to Dwight and Pau and Jamison and Kobe….. Sh*t.

  • canesta

    SIXERS NATION, STAND UP!!!

  • Heals

    Well we got finality finally. At least the trade mixes things up in much more interesting way than either of the Hou, BK and original LA rumors. Props to Kupchak on a patient offseason approach, Philly and Den jumping at excellent opportunities to add great compliments to their current rosters. As a C’s fan holy crap look at the Atlantic division now it’s actually real competitive, 4 teams deep for the first time in forever. Orl (to me) didn’t get significant cap help, a couple of high draft picks or a “star” in return so it’s tough to justify right now. I like each of players they got, but just not for DH12…

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Pau better not be in this deal.

  • canesta

    @lenny, no loyalty? really? how about 8 years of chances to develop, plus a ridiculous contract? If that’s not loyalty then what is? He had his chance, it was time for him to go!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    The lakers must have suspect pictures and information of many people in the league because these teams gift players to the Lakers.

  • JL

    The magic can’t even get a unprotected pick? wow. didn’t they fire their gm already? Oh wait they hired an inexperienced one. It’s like in texas holdem where he gets dealt pocket aces, and ends up holding it too long to bet, and everybody else gets 3 of a kind. Sucka!!!!

    @T-Money – that’s a good point. guess we will never know! they would rather get al harrington afflalo and vucecic. I think Ryan Anderson is better than all of them combined! Why did they even re-sign Jameer Nelson the worst starting PG in the league? I’m not even an Orlando fan and I’m mad.

  • http://www.nba.com Shadojoker

    Noooo I wanted Iggy to the Bulls..not the Nuggets..they have too many of the same people..Chandler,Brewer..etc..

  • onlytheflyest

    Howard wont resign..

  • Mvp23100

    RIP to Kobe ever being compared to Jordan.

  • robb

    As a Laker fan, I hope it works. I don’t like him but he’s a great athlete and a terrific defender.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Lol, you guys are funny. Yeah Lakers will maybe win a title, but it’s not cause of Kobe. These super teams keep getting created and continue to make the NBA less fun to watch. I should join Enigmatic.

  • Blue

    Cant wait to see how Iggy meshes with the nuggets. If Javale, Faried and Gallinari have all improved during the off season then it wouldn’t be that unrealistic to see them advance out of the first round of the playoffs…. for once.

  • http://slam flight9

    THE HEAT WILL NOT REPEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GO BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!

  • JOSHUA SYMONS

    Who will guard the Big 3 of miami better yet the BIG5 on the 3′s? when dwight goes out to stop lebron will still drive in and dunk. or alley oop to wade….. Heat will still win next year. Bynum should get pissed cause he’s an allstar should get his ass to OKC…

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Arron, al, and scrubs?!? That’s it? Wow. Philly and denver did well for themselves. Al harrington, as much as a fan of him as I’ve been, was the best player they got back. Simply stupid.
    Dwight and pau is pure fuccn insanity.
    That said, this team has a short window.

  • Beaver

    I’m a magic fan, finally its over, was inevitable, one thing is we didn’t let hm walk like shaq…….good for Denver, fast passed Denver perfect for iggy, good for sixers bynum secon best center in L, and experience in Jrich, sixers be nasty, good for Lakers if they keep gasol, very good, if not they’ll def get a good backup ether Harrington or someone…..well here goes a few years of rebuilding lehgo….btw I read you guys everyday, love your comments, I’ll start cmmentng now word uppp

  • http://slam flight9

    EVERYBODY WINS except the Magic. But we have to wait and see who they get in the draft in the future. The Magic sucks anyway.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca niQ

    Wtf are the Magic doing? LOL This is not even the best offer they could’ve got! Houston and NJ had better offers on the table…

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Lakers get a steal, they gave up Bynum for the 3 time Defensive Player of the Year, who no can rebound and work on his post moves. Howard clogs the middle and will help when people blow by Nash. Lakers is must see TV, I might have to get NBA league pass now.

  • Black Dude From NYC

    F__K DWIGHT HOWARD

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Redd, are you actually saying Kobe won’t be one of the reasons if LA wins? WTF! Where’s Lakeshow on this?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The Nuggets will be tough to score on with Iguodala outside and McGee inside. I’d also advise any team not named Miami or OKC to not try to run with them. It will be interesting to see if they need a top notch scorer to compete or if they’ll be fine with what they already have. The Sixers got better even though I think they will miss Iguodala more than people realize. Bynum will be able to get the touches he didn’t get in LA. The Thunder are the only team in the West the Lakers are behind. Perkins/Ibaka can guard Howard/Gasol. Kobe must share the ball. It’s better for him and for the team. He has to trust Howard/Gasol more than he trusted Bynum/Gasol. Hopefully, he will change his game because if not, he will shoot them out of a chance to win a championship. The Magic suddenly are worse than the Cavaliers.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Lakers have no excuse not to win the West. Nash, Kobe, Metta, Pau, Dwight with Blake, Jamison, Hill, and DJO off the bench. Unless Kobe isn’t as good as we think he is….hint hint.

  • T-Money

    Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
    Final Nets offer Orlando rejected in July: Lopez, Humphries (1 year, $9.6M), Brooks, 4 unprotected No. 1′s for Howard, JRich, Duhon, Clark.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    Disastrous trade for Orlando. Literally every scenario would have been better than this, because those are not going to be great first round picks. Very, very solid trades for the Nuggets and 76ers. As for the Lakers: on paper this is just huge for them. Theoretically it puts them in the same category as the Thunder and the Heat. But I’ll wait to see how all the pieces fit and, for that matter, how much Kobe has left in the tank before rushing to judgement.

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    yup, agree The Seed. Lakers signed that contract and i already knew what was coming. i was preaching in all threads and even sparked up a championship debate. Lakers are the cream of the crop and as long as MAGIC JOHNSON is ALIVE, LA sports will continue to dominate. The guy just has his hands on everything that the public will never ever know…
    Iggy honestly had a up and down season in phila career, there was talk that he would go to the LAKERS in a trade which woulda been perfect…but that never happened. Only way was to get 4 teams involved for best trade possible plus brings IGGY near AZ. Im sure Jrue/Evanturner/Bynum/Richardson combo wont be too bad with collins head coaching.
    Magic is getting young talent in harkless, Aaron Afflalo is gonna get more shots. He couldnt go off with lawson, gallinari, harrington, chandler last year but managed decent scoring games. Every team improved and the NBA was waiting for the dwight trade to be finished so they could continue making money. JERSEY SALES, MARKETING, ADIDAS AND NIKE IN LA. BOOM BAM

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    wtf?

  • Danny

    Get ready for the Bynum circus next. How long till he rejects an extension and starts talking about teams he’s willing to be traded to?

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    Howard wont go to NJ…because he has NY and Miami overshadowing. He knew coming to LA with 4 all stars were better than 3…

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    So I’ll see you guys in June? *commemce with evil finger pyramid

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    This is such highway robbery

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    i think i just posted as caboose and said wtf…because his info was in my business. THE HELL? Anyway…

    THE MAGIC ARE GETTING PROTECTED PICKS…PICKS that mean chances to land a CENTER/PF in the most STACKED CENTER/PF class to come out next year.

    Nerlens Noel, Cody Zeller, Macadoo, SHABAZZ MUHAMMAD!

  • Matt Park

    There is no way that the Magic aren’t getting any other pieces. They MUST be getting something out of this. But, thinking of their previous situation and now, the Magic got a crapload of cap relief and lots of first rounders.
    This is still a straight steal for the other three teams though.

  • MUBWAR

    the orlando magic are just weak. really this is what you hold on to dwight for. now the lakers join the heat as the 1% who got all the riches of the league

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Mamba..are you seriously stupid or trolling? I said he won’t be the reason Lakers win. The Lakers D will win a ring.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    I’m stupid? LOL & SMH. Wow.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Oh, forgot. To all Magic fans, I’m sorry. This is unbelievable and the management is idiotic. Hope you guys eventually can replace losing Dwight.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    @Mamba, I’m assuming that’s rhetorical.

  • Matt

    Lakers fans haven’t been this happy since the heat won the championship

  • http://www.yahoo.com berkamore

    Very interesting. I don’t understand what the Magic is trying to do here, but then again, they have information that I don’t have so I’ll leave it at that.

    As for the Lakers, it looks like a good trade depending on whom they are playing. Nash and Howard don’t help LA much against OKC because Westbrook and Perkins can easily go against them. However, the Lakers will be sheer murder for the Heat who have no point guard and no center. Should be an interesting season.

  • Ill Smith

    I cant even lie…Im pretty salty over here. I just dont get how the Lakers always talk teams into gift wrapping players for them. Mitch must smooth talk the hell outta these teams cuz Orlando had PLENTY better offers out there. How do they give up the best player in the L for Al Harrington & some crummy picks, half of em in the 2nd round?!? Did they NOT see how Denver stripped NY of all its talent? How NO got Gordon & what turned out to be Austin Rivers? Damn, I hate this.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Thanks Redd. I feel cheated. Though the winners in this really are the 76ers. They could contend for 2nd seed next year.

  • http://WWW.BENNY.COM BIG MONEY

    Magic are dumb

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Yeah, 3 1st round picks & this year hopefully you guys get a top 5 pick & rebound quickly next year. 76ers didn’t win, they got a selfish center & lost a huge part of their team. Lakers easily won.

  • Ill Smith

    Oh & please kill the MJ comparisons now. If anything I think this move diminishes Kobe’s legacy. His teams have always been STACKED! Jordan’s teams were balanced moreso than stacked, these Kobe’s squads gotta have overpowering talent to win. Put VC/TMac/Iverson in Kobe’s spot & they’d be up for top 10 discussion as well. LA fans might not wanna hear it but they know its true.

  • rob

    I live in the la area so many all stars kd only starter not in la

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    This I just a terribly horrible trade for Orlando. I’m befuddled. This is some Red Aurbach type sh*t Mitch Kupchak is pulling off

  • http://www.slamonline.com hackmed

    i love nash but i really dislike howard after this whole trade nonsense, i actually dont want him to win a ring. stupid trade for orlando, also slam, someone elses name and email address keep showing up before i get to post my response in the comments box. weird

  • http://www.facebook.com/wealwayswin Hersey

    Lakers are the new Dirty Dozen. Philly is intriguing but still 2nd tier. Denver upgraded their dunk highlights. Orlando, abracadabra you stink.

  • http://www.realgm.com Nate James

    So Dwight is really the next “superman”

  • Conor

    Ill Smith: Jordan had the greatest defender (Rodman), Beta-to-his-Alpha (Pippen), three-point shooter (Kerr), and a slew of fringe stars including Cartwright, Harper, and Grant along with the key ingredient to any ‘chip mixture: hyper-effective role players. Don’t forget that he never led his team to a winning regular season record without Pippen (et al). And don’t forget that the Bulls would have played in the Finals without Jordan were it not for a corrupted whistle.
    .
    All this to say: if you are to compare any player to Michael Jordan in 2012, the man’s initials must be “K” and “B”, despite his occasional failures. And who doesn’t fail at some point or another?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    At the risk of sounding like a hater, cosign III Smith.

  • PnoyVibe

    Lakers 2013 Champs?

  • http://Juanm.garcia@me.com Royal Purp

    Who gives a phuk if KB is lesser than Mike. Aren’t all the other greats to?
    The fact is the Lakers are the GOAT of all sports franchises. Think about it… for all the NBA Finals there have been… the Lakers have played in half of them. Let it sink in and then come to me with your Kobe this and Kobe that. He’s just. Chapter in Lakers lore.

  • jinolin

    So the 6ers become a second tier team in the east (in the 3-5 mix with the Knicks and Pacers)?
    - And for the record I don’t see much improvement in LA w Howard, Bynum to me is a better fit (especially with Nash running the point).

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    Its stacked because it shows the amount of talent that is coming into the league and how the players evolved themselves to put a brand amongst their names. Its nothing new…BACK THEN…the players were all physically ready. It was a different generation with big bodies and physical play. Theres nothing that can diminish Kobe’s Legacy because hes done things that a majority of NBA players have yet to accomplish still…His play on the court is recorded and documented just like MJ’s…its just KOBE is still rolling…still going strong. Survival of the fittest, MJ cant come back and take Kobe’s shine cause Kobe’s still CARVING HIS LEGACY, BLACK MAMBA BEYOOOTCH

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Jinolin, you think that Dwight is a downgrade from Bynum in LA’s system?
    1. Nash throws alley-oops. Dwight is the best finisher in the league at those.
    2. Dwight is a better help defender. By far.
    3. Bynum needs the ball to be effective on offense. Dwight doesn’t.
    4. Dwight demands more attention on the block.
    5. Dwight is happy to defer to Kobe. Bynum wasn’t.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Hey Caboose. Wanna bone?

  • Ill Smith

    @Conor I guess you missed that word balanced huh? You just described it perfectly: a great 2nd banana, defensive force (that had zero offensive game whatsoever), a 3 point shooter that only gave you about 7 points a game & good role players. Not the most dominant big man in the game (TWICE), a 2-time MVP plus a guaranteed All-Star in Gasol. Pippen was drafted by Chicago so that’s no different than a Russ/KD combo. Just admit Kobe’s always had a dominating cast to work with.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Is my brother trolling me now? Cause that wasn’t me. Props to the real Caboose for posting here. Shows a true love for the game.

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    Thing is…yall are still in past tense w that MJ thing while Kobe is doing it in present day. 7 rings….SON. all time leading scorer? MAYBE….we’ll have to wait and see. Nash will be feeding (pause)to Kobe, catch and shoot…all day. Yak em.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Lboogie: You sir, sound uneducated, ill-informed, overly opinionated, emotional, dismissive, narcissistic, and simply idiotic. Please either adjust your flawed writing style, correct your flawed thinking style, or expect a further volley of insults.

  • Conor

    Ill Smith: When you’re prone to taking forty shots in a Finals game, there’s not much room for offensive balance, is there?
    .
    You ignored my supporting points.

  • jinolin

    Caboose- I see your point on the defensive end and Howard is by far the best defensive big in the league, but on offense he needs a initiator (both of those guys are on the north side of their 30s)… IMO Having a big that can create by himself would rest up the starting 1 and 2 for LA (thus extending their shot at a deep playoff push).

  • Conor

    100(th comment), or, the Lakers’ rating in 2K13. I’m retiring now. Goodbye, nbk & Ill Smith. You are, both of you, terribly internet-social.

  • Bt

    It’s too bad mike brown wasn’t included in the trade

  • Ill Smith

    What point did I miss? You said Jordan never had a winning season without Pippen…yet he never missed the playoffs so why is that relevant? Not to mention this was the genesis of MJ’s career. When Kobe was IN HIS PRIME after running Shaq & Phil out he missed the playoffs so whatchusayin? Oh & you wanna talk corrupt whistles like the biggest officiating scandal in NBA history didn’t involve the refs cheating for Kobe & the Lakers vs Sacramento. So nah I didn’t miss your points I just thought they weren’t worthy of answering. I’m a lil disappointed I had to point these things out for you.

  • http://Juanm.garcia@me.com Royal Purp

    Lakers Dynasty

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    who made caboose the internet grammar police…LANG WHITAKER?

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    This better be a SLAM cover.
    West
    1. OKC
    2. Lakers
    3. Spurs
    4. Clippers
    5. Denver
    6. Memphis (could be switched with Denver. Couldn’t decide)
    7. Minnesota (depending on Rubio’s health)
    8. Golden State (again, health)
    West final should be top two seeds. That’s a toss up.

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    Bring ittttt, must feel great to type the things you type behind a computer doesnt it caboose. I assume youre 50+ years old…with very few years to live…trying to educate people over the internet LMAO…what a loser.

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    I didnt know i was gonna get graded on what i wrote on a SLAM website LMAO….caboose…dont find the internet to assert your authority like you do at home with your mom and dad…or your wife/gf or little kids….wont work. Perhaps youre a little bit old fashion or bored with your old age…that you find it enjoyable to correct people on the internet…Caboose…vamoose…your moms loose..

  • http://www.nba.com Lboogie

    Salty that you have to pay to watch the lakers? You must be a east coast brat…youre not superior.

  • ThaWindy

    Doesn’t matter Bt Kobe dosent listen. He calls the plays. Mike brown is his yes man.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The only “Magic” in Orlando is the kind Lord Voldemort used to terrorize muggles. This trade is Avada Kedavra to Orlando’s next 5 years. Shaq is rolling over in his Godric’s Hollow.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Someone with a name like Lboogie should not be trolling a regular like Caboose

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Lboogie, what Caboose in totality is saying I think, is that you’re an idiot & don’t seem to comprehend basketball.

  • rand33p

    If Kobe’s legacy is diminished then Lebron’s was going to Miami? The answer is NO … you let things play out and then judge .. relax with the legacy crap and enjoy Kobe for what he is.. one of the top few to ever lace em up … and as for Lebron, he’s going to continue to climb up that list too

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    lol noone comprehends basketball here. EVERYONE thinks they know everything…welcome to USA.

  • kobewins6n7

    Exciting for us Laker fans, and definitely a “grand-slam” by Mitch K, but I still don’t think this “guarantees” anything. This may give LA a slight edge over OKC on paper, but OKC has wonderful chemistry, and Durant and Westbrook are going to be even better next year. Not to mention OKC also has brilliant managenment that will surely look to make another move to compete with LA. Not to mention that damn Heat team… (I can’t I even mention them without cursing a bit, and turing red in the face, as I dispise them so much)

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    im talking about real stuff and its not my duty to force the brain to understand…take it and go…nbk said it…im not much of a grammar wiz on a internet page. Opinions are opinions…its whether an average person can handle it :) I must of caused an anger vein to pop on his head.

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    I preach lakers real talk…shit talk…trash talk….whatever it may be to let yall know. Im a block away in a loft near Staples Center…i use to watch the games at the western forum. Bet some of you east coast cats like caboose never even BEEN inside there. I say what i want deal with it. I can come on here real as shit from any computer and say what i want. Trade happened, yall are mad. Come get some

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    What you telling me is different from any one else telling me. Its all in the same topic and we talk about the same shit everyday. Im just letting the public know…through this public website…LA ALL DAY

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    YESSUH

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    Go play some D1 hoops and then come back with higher credentials.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I said what now?

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    do us all a favor and dont waste your time…doesnt affect me

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    nbk, u said u werent much of a grammar wiz on these forums

  • http://nba.com Lboogie
  • qwert

    orlando magic cursed. 1st shaq, then penny, tmac now dwight howard. whats wrong with that franchise they got no loyal star players???!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t care about grammar But that doesn’t mean I type like a baboon. But then again, I respect that you can imitate a baboon and still speak a language. That’s impressive.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Just ignore him nbk. You trump his opinion so he goes off on grammar?

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Just ignore him nbk. He dismantle his opinion and he resorts to…grammar?

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Oh and the wanting to bone with Caboose comment was my brother. Heat fans. Honestly

  • b2bmvpnashty

    Barring any injuries, LA should be back in the finals, facing the heat, for a epic finale, this is going to be huge!!!!
    starting
    PG-nash
    SG-kobe
    SF-metta world peace
    PF-pau gasol
    C-DWIGHT HOWARD!!!!

  • lisa

    I honestly don’t feel bad for the Magic. Dwight wanted to stay.. BUT when your superstar begs you year after year to get someone who can help him win, you go out and get more role players?? You deserve to get nothing. I feel terrible for the Magic fans, theg deserved better. Lakers are going to be TOUGH! People seem to forget that the LAL-OKC series could’ve easily gone 3-1 LAL. To say they don’t have enough NOW to beat OKC is foolish. If everyone can stay healthy, I expect these two teams to meet at the WCF. The team who wins Game 7 will go on to face Miami. This season is going to be EVERYTHING!

  • Mike From Spain

    Some questions… What’s the timeline of D12′s recovery from surgery? Did that work fine or will he have more back injuries? How are Nash’s back spasms? How are Kobe’s knees? Howmotivated is Pau? So all of a sudden Mike Brown stopped sucking and the bench is that much better? not to mention all teams in the West got better

  • http://www.kb24.com Bigimon

    Thank you, Mitch Kupchak!

  • Lisa

    Good move for the Lakers. And upgraded. But still they need a decent bench. Blake, Jamison, Hill, Devin Ebanks, McRoberts, Darius Morris, Goudelock is a joke. Only Jamison can offer a regular production. Sessions is earning similar money than Blake this next year. Ebanks, McRoberts and Eyenga will earn more than 6 millions next year for his useless production. Meanwhile, the Spurs signed Patrick Mills for 1 million….

  • bolletrie

    Magic ownership/management needs to take a good long look at themselves. Over the past 15 years all of their superstars have left them. They spin it like those guys were selfish but when it keeps happening again and again, people should start wondering who is really in the wrong here. Shaq left, T-Mac left and now D12. T-Mac said a while ago that the Magic ownership is not about winning and I’m starting to believe him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Lboogie are you perchance a a visitor of one of this fine country’s penal institutions? I am befuddled at how you managed to smuggle a laptop in there. Pause. You must have like a two car garage. @nbk the baboon comment was unnecessary and holds some racial implications, not that I think you meant it like that, well then again we’ve been down that road before, and its not a chapter in slam history I would like to revisit. LMAO.

  • Cool Dude

    In other news, Phil Jackson returns to coach the Lakers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    Oh and I have no idea how the Lakers pulled this ish off…. again; and they kept Pau. WTF?

  • Sam

    The fact that this hasn’t been vetoed by the league is complete ish. Just because they make the most money as a franchise is no excuse to the fact that this CBA was supposed to make the whole league competitive. Smh :/

  • http://slamonline house

    WHAT SORCERY IS THIS!?!?!!?!?!?

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    And house perfectly put my astonishment into writing.
    What kind indeed.
    CBA my butt.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Nash to Dwight alley-oops are going to be down right filthy. Can’t wait!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    @lisa cant blame the fans for bad management.

  • Bernie

    Now the thunder finally have some competition out west with the lakers and nuggets improving

  • lisa

    @Redd… I never said the blame should be on the fans, but on the Magic. They never tried(were successful) in bringing help to ORL. I said I feel terrible for the fans.

  • lisa

    Finally? The West was very competitive 1-8. That’s even with LA struggling to be consistent AND with a weak bench. Denver without a Superstar or All-star. Dallas refusing to pay key contributers…. If you are talking contenders.. There are only 3 teams as of now, that I think can get to the Finals. The other teams will make it very dufficult. This is the first Finals for the Thunder. Please don’t get carried away. They didn’t runaway with the West. OKC, LAL, SAS, LAC, MEM, DEN, DAL, ???. Believe me.. PHX, UTA, and HOU will battle for the eighth seed.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Lisa: Minnesota is lightyears ahead of PHX and Utah.

  • lisa

    You know what Brad? Thanks for correcting me… I knew I deleted a team. The eighth seed will go to either MIN, UTA, PHX or HOU. The thing with MIN is.. We KNOW what Love will bring. But, will everything come together for this young team? MIN will be very good in a couple of years though.

  • lisa

    Don’t get me wrong PHX, HOU and UTA aren’t any better.. I just think UTA will have a slight advantage due to the ass whooping from SAS. No disrespect to the Jazz fans.

  • Mike From Spain

    Minnesota has a lot of question marks in terms of player development and injuries (current or future). But they look very good on paper. Now Denver signing Iggy, that’s another big move. They got much better.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    Kobe trying to cheat his way to a ring once more.
    first shaq then gasol now howard.

    Cheat mode

  • clydesays

    That’s a win for the Lakers, but sets the Magic back another decade or so… Even the picks are bad. 20′s for the Lakers/Nugs and a likely lottery pick from the Sixers they can’t have. Sixers get a good center in Bynum, but he averages about 50 games per season & will sign with the highest bidder in the offseason. What a mess.

  • lisa

    Where would you rank Denver? I’m not quite sure if I would put them ahead of Memphis. To me it looked like there was no flow to their offense with Rudy being back… kinda like NY. I think with a full training camp they should be fine.

  • miagus23

    Lebron vs Kobe, Bosh vs Pau, D Wade and Nash battling, Dwight Howard getting alley oops from nash in the staples center in a game 7 of the nba finals!!! WRITE IT DOWN, THE 2012-2013 SEASON WILL BE THE BEST NBA SEASON THE LEAGUE HAS EVER HAD!

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    lol @mlagus23: could it be that you are quite young? ;)

    i am not a lakers fan but this is too good to be true. finally (hopefully) that annoying soap opera ends, the lakers are a powerhouse again and the east as a conference doesnt really get weaker by the addition of bynum who can now show that he also is a 20 – 10 center. and i like what the magic are doing, adding all the picks and going to rebuild mode seems to me as the most reasonable thing to do. if the trade should go down as reported

  • Cal

    Rik, how the hell is a trade cheating?

  • miagus23

    lol@danpowers yea dude im 16 and to finally see this drama end is amazing but I’m a huge “big moment” fan lol seeing the crowd get up and loud as dwight steps into the staples center for the first time in the yellow and purple is going to be a great moment in nba history and to see the aging former 2 time mvp steve nash throw up and alley to the best center in our league and see Jack nicholson get up from his seat(if that would ever happen) and the whole crowd just roaring omg dude this is awesome lol!!! and i hate the lakers lol but just imagining the great moments and plays and just seeing them play in big playoff games its just amazing dude lol

  • mike_a

    As a Central Floridian, on a personal level and selfish one, GOOD RIDDANCE…. we are SO SICK OF DW’s “big baby” antics and flip flopping more than a politician (pretty sure the entire NBA nation feels the same way). On a hoops note, lets face it, the Magic got nothing, jack squat. Arguably one of the top 5 players in the league if not the best big man, the Magic Mgmt. were dealt a horrible hand (pretty sure the blame goes all around). The positive for me from a selfish fan perspective is tickets will now once again be easy to attain from my wealthier friends who have season tickets, the only problem will be stomaching at best .350-.400 basketball if we are lucky. We can only hope for a couple fun season like we had with Doc coaching the “heart and hustle year” but we would have to bring back Darrell Armstrong and roll back the clock. Skiles around to play backup point? Bring Nick down from the front office to lace up for a few games? Maybe let Jerry “Ice” Reynolds come back? Or how about the the “Catman” Terry Catledge? Anything to make it entertaining because this team is going to get rolled for awhile.

  • Mike From Spain

    @ lisa -> I don’t really know how to rank them, I haven’t seen them play that much. On paper, if Javale McGee gets it, him + Kenneth Faried + Iggy are a good basis for a great defense. If that team gets their rebounds and their stops, they run like hell and are deep. So they can be good if they get to run, but I am not really sure what their ceiling is. There are some that place them in contention for spots #2 – #4 in the west, I cannot really say if that’s reasonable or not.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @mlagus23: well it will sure be a big moment to remember if the league lets that one go through and even tho i aint a lakers fan it will be a joy to watch them. but in 96 something quite similar happened when shaq diesel, who was some class above howard, went from the magic to the lakers to pair up with the young kobe. i dont think that howard to the magic will have the same affect (three championships in a row after some seasons of coming together) but still be a big thing as howard will be magnet for good players even when nash and bryant retire.

    @mike_a: i think you guys will be fine. youll just need to be patient and be able to stand the tanking / rebuilding for one to three years. then you should be back at the top, if the magic follow the trailblazers (b4 oden n roy went down) or sonics/thunder concept.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    As the number one Laker fan on this site, I would like to say. Good job David Stern. We were going to lose Pau for CP3, you nixed it. Now we have Nash and Howard and still have Pau. I would rather have those three than CP3 and Bynum. Thanks David Stern, nice job trying to mess up the Lake Show. Lakers management still know how to do it, we get a real point guard and a Defensive force, which the Lakers lacked last year against OKC. Lakers have to come together as a team, but those people ready to hate on Kobe, realize Kobe will do what he needs to make this team work. Like he has done to have 5 rings. Already haters, are saying this will hurt his legacy, WHAT-did Kobe leave to go to another team, because he could not carry the load, or has he won with players coming to him. Ask yourself. Also to act like MJ, Magic and Bird did not play with Hall of Famers is straight sad. MJ played with 2, Bird played with over 3, Magic played with over 3. Kobe has played with 1-Shaq, maybe Pau and maybe Howard, which will be 3. Stop hating.

  • lisa

    @Mike, 2-4 is not reasonable…that’s stretching it. On paper they look good though.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    He asked for a trade though after seeing that being the “man” isn’t all it is cracked up to be but hey…let’s all suffer from selective amnesia and act like it never happened.

  • that dude

    @Ill Smith
    I completely agree with you,just 1 correction for historical purposes Pippen was drafted by Seattle and traded to the bulls. Just wanted to clarify.

  • KwamePooh

    big fat looooooooooool. nice trade for lakers sixers nuggets….

  • pposse

    the magic are slow

  • pposse

    heres to lebron wade and bosh owning LA in the finals – if the lakers don’t win it all idc what anyone thinks, all of those players in LA will be known as imposters

  • http://www.thesmashbrothas.com zen garden

    lakers will still lose to okc…kobe still play selfish even when surrounded by talent..jus watch usa basketball

  • KC

    This is great news for my sixes!!! We still have a ways to go to be a contender but this is a strong move in the right direction!! As for the lakers, I dont think they will be as good as everyone thinks. Will kobe allow Nash to run the team and control the ball? Thats a big question!! I still don’t understand why other teams allow the lakers to aquire their top talent time after time, setting them up to potentially win more rings. I still dont think they are as good as the heat or the thunder.

  • http://juan.garcia@computershare.com PutUrMomma2Wrk

    Co-sign Royal Purp. True talk.

  • http://juan.garcia@computershare.com PutUrMomma2Wrk

    50% of all Finals? WoW!!!

  • Jake

    I don’t even know what to say. Glad hes on the lakers but I’m sure he knows that was a dick move on his part…

  • pposse

    the only obstacle for a laker championship is their coach

  • Andrew Woods

    This all sounds wonderful on paper
    1. I think kobe is too intense for dwight’s mental makeup
    2. Kobe will still jack 25 shots a game at a 43% clip
    3. Most importantly they still dont have a answer for kd/westbrook/harden

    Does this trade now put the lakers in front of the thunder? Kobe is past his peak…..actually everyone on the lakers are past their prime. The thunder have three stars ascending at a ridiculous rate.

    Im just looking forward to the drama

  • pposse

    seed, Kobe including himself will have 4 HOFamers on his starting lineup! and then they have MWP who some may say has HOF credentials! His whole starting lineup is pretty much in the HOF!! wtf, this current laker team is on steroids. Be real the only team you can compare this team to are the stacked Boston teams in the Bill Russell days

  • Jer dawg

    Magic organization is dumb. Protected lottery picks?!? I guess they think the teams they dealing with won’t get top 3 Or 5 picks. They all will have good season and leave Magic with lots of mid 1st round picks and 2nd round picks that won’t help change their franchise. Unless they think they will get their own #1 picks the next few years.

  • biggieman

    Kobe Bryant is the luckiest player of all time! He is amazing, I will admit that… But has there ever been a player in NBA history that has been repeatedly surrounded by so much talent. He will never be close to Jordan because of this, he wasn’t even the best player on the team for his first 3 rings, and he won’t be the best player on this team if they win one.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.com TR

    I think the Lakers have no excuses now. Denver could win a ring in a couple years I think. Orlando is full of idiots and Bynum finall has his OWN team. 3/4 is pretty good.

  • T-Money

    andrew woods – i think that’s the elephant in the room. will kobe dial it back or not?

  • pposse

    and how in the world are the thunder going to score inside on the lakers? every last drive to the bucket for russell westbrook will be challenged as dwight will be lurking underneath. Russell probably thinking about this right now..and dwight will put you on your a$$ if you dont come correct in the paint (which russell barely does as he is always “out of control”) and i dont care how good a defender perkins is, in a 7 game series dwight will wear you down there is no going around it. This team is so stacked, they can easily make a run at 70 wins in the reg season. The only hope is for the thunder to throw up jumpers and hope they hit at a clip of like %60.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @biggieman
    Sérgio Posted: Jul.10 at 10:51 am
    For you all sayin that KB was playin with a Top 5 center in his last 2 championships, I’d like you to remeber thar, in both 09 and 10, Bynum was coming back from injury, and was wll below his normal production. Check his stats:
    09 Playoffs: 6.3 Pts per game, 3.7 rebounds per game, 0.4 assists per game, 1 block per game.
    10 Playoffs: 8.6 Pts per game, 6.9 rebounds per game, 0.5 assists per game, 1.6 block per game.
    Well, this is production far away from what is expected from a top 5 center.
    Also, ok, in 2000, Shaq was clearly LA’s best players. But He wasn’t better than KB in 01 and 02. Check their numbers: 01 regular season:
    Kobe: 28.5 pts, 5.9 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.7 steals.
    Shaq: 28.7 pts, 12.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 2.8 blks. 01 Playoffs:
    Kobe: 29.4 pts, 7.3 rbs, 6.1 assists, 1.6 steals
    Shaq: 30.4 pts, 15.4 rbs, 3.2 assists, 2.3 blks. 02 regular season:
    Kobe: 25.2 pts, 5.5 rbs, 5.5 assists, 1.5 steals
    Shaq: 27.2 pts, 10.7 rbs, 3.0 assists, 2.0 blks. 02 Playoffs:
    Kobe: 26.6 pts, 5.8 rbs, 4.6 assists, 1.4 steals
    Shaq: 28.5 pts, 12.6 rbs, 2.8 assists, 2.5 blks. You can see that Shaq’s numbers were slightly better in the Playoffs. But remember: all 3 Lakers opponents in the Finals (IND, PHI, NJ) did not have great post defenders to contain Shaq. Also, the Eastern Conference was way worse at the time. The best teams in the league were all out west: Sacremento, San Antonio, Portland, Dallas. And Kobve carried LA thorugh the West. Actually, except for the Finals, KB had better averages than Shaq in the Playoffs. So stop with this bullsh@t talk that KB rode Shaq’s cottails.

    THANKS HATERS

  • heartlandG

    All is forgiven dwight (indecisive drama queenis)…all is forgiven…some of yall salTY lol, Lakers > ((since 1990 no bandwagon))

  • bdogg

    bout damn time…i like the fact this makes la a more running team which is what i wanted in the first place!!

  • Andrew Woods

    Thunder will put dwight in foul trouble every game. Westbrook, kd, and harden will easily draw fouls on howard. yes the lakers have a great big man and anchor but no one to help him. I just dont see how they will contain OKC and stop their fast breaks off misses. In my eyes, the lakers are chasing the thunder still. Forget howard, gasol is the determing factor on how far they will get still. Well that and kobe shooting 40%

  • Andrew Woods

    FYI, kobe better cook, clean, wash, and cater to Howard. Because if he acts like a entitled spoiled brat and denies howard of any comfort on the basketball court and howard leaves in free agency smh….that will set the lakers back yrs

  • pposse

    dwight howard is the best defender in the league! he will NOT stay in foul trouble thruout a 7 game series..if he does LA fans will cry conspiracy. Its just not happening Andrew Woods, thats wishful thinking.

  • http://www.dimemag.com showtime

    The Rook Gm got took..that all thats needs to be said. But Lake have just expandend their window to 3 more possible good years

  • http://www.slamonline.com fyi

    The Lakers should of tried to get Iggy. They could use an athletic forward.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @TheSeed: the numbers you posted show that shaq was allways the slightly better player and sometimes the crearly better player. even teams with good post defenders couldnt contain him in his prime. just very few at times like ben wallace or tim duncan could make life a bit tough for him at times. and dont forget that indiana indeed had some good post guys and the sixers played with an old but still over average defensive anchor in mutombo. shaq just overwhelmed everybody in his prime. i am not a shaq fan but thats just a fact. dont want to take anything away from bryant, he has been playing great as maybe the best shooting guard of all time behind jordan. its just that shaq could also be considered as the best center of all time when he was in his prime. at least he is in the worst perspective you could put him on one level with jabbar, chamberlain and olajuwon when they were in their primes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com fyi

    @LakeShow- I jus wanna hear your straight opinion on the Lakers chances.

  • Mike From Spain

    OK, here is a reasonable worst-case scenario: – Howard is a little slow to come back from surgery at 100%, and also he gets angry with Kobe. Pau keeps playing soft and sulks because he’s relegated to 3rd – 4th option. Kobe keeps being Kobe. Nash gets injured because he goes away from the fountain of youth in Phoenix. Mike Brown keeps using the pieces he’s got poorly. Now, don’t get me wrong, I am a fan of Pau and Nash, and I also think Kobe is great, but there is room for things to go wrong. Not to mention just the age of the players.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    allways funny to hear people talking gasol being soft just because he doesnt live up to imaginary standards that people put on him. he had one or two off series in the playoffs. even then when he had bad stretches he was still a top 10 top 15 big guy if not better.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Remember when everyone cheered the firing of Otis Smith because finally the Magic would have a competent general manager to make smart decisions.
    Yeah, ok.

  • Mike From Spain

    Pau’s still the best player in team Spain, but this time he could not just score at will against the French as he used to. I don’t know, I think that age is catching up with him a little. Soft does not mean that he plays like a baby, it is just that sometimes it seems he does not care that much. He’s got these lapses of attention in the last couple of years.

  • Mvp23100

    Who’s the nerd using my name

  • Andrew Woods

    @pposse….i agree he is the best defender in the league but he has never had to face a team that can relentlessly attack the rim like how the thunder can. I dont care about how every other team will struggle with the lakers. Im skipping straight to WCF and I just think the thunder, match up wise, will cause the lakers all sorts of problems. but ill say this, the heat better pray the thunder get past the lakers because as a lebron fan a lakers/heat finals scares me

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    It would be fascinating to see the Lakers/Heat matchup in the Finals. Heat playing small, without a true center, trying to show that centers aren’t necessary in today’s game . . . and Lakers going for the opposite approach. Both teams struggling to set the temple, with arguably 4 of the top 5 players in the game. To me it’s a tossup, but so is a series between the Thunder and the Lakers. Crazy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    By the way, the Lakers/Thunder series wasn’t decided on the Lakers’ weak interior D. The Thunder were draining midrange jumpers all over the place. The Lakers’ perimeter D was the issue, and they haven’t addressed that at all. I also think Bynum might have actually been a worse matchup for Perkins than Dwight. Just saying.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    “Soft” Gasol put up 17/10 on 50% shooting last season. If that’s soft, what does that make guys like Chandler, Noah, Marc Gasol, Duncan and Hibbert after Gasol put up better all-around numbers?

  • Mvp23100

    The west is gonna be a zoo as usual I’m interested in seeing how this works out especially with Nash deciding who eats throw M Brown in the mix you got a soap opera with all that being said the league is Brons for atleast another 4 years

  • P

    @Dagger do you seriously think this team is less formidable to OKC than last year’s lakers?

  • Andrew Woods

    Jtaylor I agree with u but thats a loaded question. Gasol is blessed with more skills than r the centers u mentioned so more is expected from him. If lebron scores 18pts per game in a season he will get.killed but what does that say about joe johnson, james harden, rudy gay and so on? Nothing at all because more is expected of lebron. I apply the same logic to gasol, 17 n 10 are good numbers in a vaccum but I expect more from gasol.

  • pposse

    @andrew woods, all i am saying is that i saw derrick rose relentlessy attack howard in the paint numerous times, and twice he went down hard and missed games cause of it. I can sit here and say it will be different with Russell Westbrook attacking, but i highly doubt it. The guy is a 7 foot beast, no one in the league wants to get hit in mid air from dwight. I just do not see it, i want to i want to really bad, but i can’t!

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    what does waiting for moderation mean? lol

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Before, L.A. had “exceptionally more talent” than the rest of the league … now their talent differential is (Stewart Scott voice)”ginormous.” After the Lakers take the cake the media will be like “look at what Horry Jr did.”

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @danpowers
    You clearly did not watch the Western Conference Finals and you even stated that Tim Duncan made it hard on Shaq. How do you think the Lakers got by the Spurs all those years, go check Kobe stats against the Spurs during those years. Then it might clear your head, also Shaq played against scrubs in the NBA Finals, when they won. Ben made it tough on Shaq in 2004, but Shaq health was declining. Shaq will never be thought of as the greatest center of ALL TIME, I would take Kareem, Bill, Wilt, Hakeem and I can make a case for David Robinson and Tim Duncan is a center, so I take him over Shaq too. If Howard can get 3 rings or more he can be potentially a better Laker center in the future. Shaq tweeting, he upset, but left Magic and they got nothing back. LOL

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Is Howard that dominant of a defensive force in people’s eyes that he erases all the Laker’s problems guarding perimeter players?
    A team like OKC which is equally deadly attacking the basket as they are from mid-range and 3 would give the Lakers fits on the perimeter. Not to mention, Perkins probably does the best job out of anyone of slowing down Howard, Westbrook is one of the best perimeter defenders in the L at the 1 spot, and Harden by himself is better than LA’s bench. Let’s not forget about Brown V Brooks.
    Interesting matchups all around and only time will tell.

  • i_ball

    People underestimating the Spurs;)

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    News Flash:76ers finally traded iggy.Lakers should of tried to get him in this ridiculous trade.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    In the end the only centers Orlando has now is Gustavo Ayon and whats his face

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Andrew, it’s kind of hard to put up better scoring numbers when you go from working primarily on the block to becoming a glorified mid-range and 3pt shooter under Brown’s offense, don’t you think?

  • pposse

    jtaylor u really think perkins can hold it down against dwight thruout a 7 game series? if dwight is healthy this will be a monumental task for perk and those knees of his, dude has got heart but does not have the strength and wind to bang with howard in a 7 game series. and yes dwight IS a dominant defensive force. He is a one man rebounding machine, did you see the type of success the magic had and their scheme of leaving dwight in the paint for offensive and defensive rebounds while the rest of the team just spreads the court? They have big guards (besides steve nash) to guard perimeter jump shooters in kobe and artest. This team’s starting lineup has no flaws what so ever. They are old i guess, but thats it! Their bench might be a little weak, but i dont even think it matters at this point.

  • i_ball

    I don’t get how the Lakers do this trades. Pau for a draft pick, Dwight for Drew and they don’t even get a bad contract in this trade.
    And why would Orlando agree on a trade that makes 3 other teams better? The Brooklyn trade was better – Orlando gets Brook Lopez and Hump, who together may be able to replace D12 and some young talent with them. I really don’t get it

  • biggieman

    @TheSeed: Thank you for proving my point. Kobe did ride Shaq’s coattails to those rings, and I don’t need a ten page list of stats to tell you why… One Reason: SHAQ WAS MVP EVERY YEAR AND EVERY FINALS !!!!!!! Put AI, TMac, Marbury, Ray Allen, ect on that team it would be the same result. A Championship. Kobe is a all time great player who has benefited more than anyone in NBA history by being surrounded by amazing talent his entire career!

  • Subu

    So can the Lakers still get Barbosa and Kenyon Martin? Or are they beyond the cap?

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    Am i the only one that thinks Lakers could use a Lebronish type player in Iggy

  • pposse

    and the lakers age can be viewed as a good thing. 3 hall of famers politicing with the refs smh. If the rest of the world didn’t think the lakers already geot the benefit of the whistle before…

  • bike

    This has to be one of the most lopsided deals in the history of the league.
    The Lakers are still old.
    Hollywood always comes out on top. Always.
    Howard’s exit antics from Orlando is now the gold standard for a player crapping on his former franchise and fans. LeBron; you and the Decision are no more.

  • LA Huey

    Kobe’s ego is now this team’s biggest hurdle to overcome.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk Max

    The Lakers fans are coming out of their stone.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    Chris Paul is somewhere in London mad at David Stern.

  • Rev

    I just don know if the Lakers are better than OKC. Even with the addition of Howard, they are not athletic and can’t get up and down the floor at a fast pace. Not to mention if it’s Lakers vs Miami in the finals, I would still give Miami the advantage. Not just because they have the best player in the league but because the way Spolstra is scheming offensively right now puts other teams at a disadvantage. Bigger teams feel like they have to match up with Miami instead of playing their game.

  • bike

    The biggest challange the lakers now face is whether Mike Brown can manage these egos. PJ could for sure.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Let’s already position the scenario so that Mike Brown takes the fall. Since fielding Pau Gasol / Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time, the Lakers have had the best team in the league (with PJ at the helm). They have simply underachieved and all roads point to the guy taking a majority of the shots. If they underachieve again this year, point the finger directly where it belongs – to the guy with 30 shot attempts/game at a 40% clip.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk Max

    Remember that Orlando was a top 10 (5?) defensive team back in 09 with their second best defender being Courtney Lee and the rest were all Steve Nash like.

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    Pretty soon Shock Exchange will be on here spewing that stupid-a$$ “Horry Jr” nonsense. Idiot.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk Max

    Shock why the _____?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Sorry to break the news to Laker fans, Kobe/Artest are no longer elite perimeter defenders and add that with Nash, they will be one of the worst at guarding athletic teams. If y’all thought Fisher sucked on the defensive end, y’all ain’t seen nothing yet with Nash.

  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    Too late. The retarded spiel has already begun. Idiot

  • biggieman

    Fuck your couch Dwight Howard!

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Guys, the Shock Exchange didn’t mean to get your dander up, just simply pointing out that when L.A. underachieves, don’t throw Brown, Bynum, Gasol, or Howard under the bus. Point the finger where it belongs. That said, after being personally attacked, the Shock Exchange now stands corrected. Horry Jr has not benefitted from playing on teams with “exceptionally more talent” than the rest of the league. The talent differential has merely been “ginormous.”

  • pposse

    the lakers are now at 3:1 on betvega.com to win the championship. The Heat are 5:2. The lakers nearly have the same odds as Miami to win it all. The Thunder are at 11:2. Sorry thunder fans, looks like the oddsmakers have spoken. You guys are not favored to beat the Lakers this year anymore.

  • LA Huey

    Shock at 11:24am wasn’t lying.

  • lisa

    At the end of the day.. Kobe will be one of the greatest to play, second greatest shooting gaurd behind MJ, 5 time(possibly 6 or 7) champion, HOF’r, MVP, ect… Some of the greatest players have him in the top ten and he could move up the list. You’ll still be on here arguing about his legacy… LOL, don’t you get it? Your opinion doesn’t change anything and it doesn’t matter. Oh yeah I’m 100% positive that Shaq nor Kobe think 19 to 21 year old Kobe was riding Shaq’s coattail.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    That Ring is just about guaranteed, barring injuries off-course. Nash hungry, Dwight unstoppable, Kobe extremely motivated to equal MJ, Ron still crazy and Pau is still the best passer in the game. Assist ratio on this team will be off the charts. They make the Heat look like JV all of a sudden. This will probably go down as the best starting 5 of All times.
    Mike Brown in this situation now makes perfect sense. X’s and O’s will all happen in real time on the floor.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Don’t let Nash escape the blame. All those years in Phoenix he got the benefit of the doubt because Amare was horrible on defense and they were small. Now they can slow it down, they can speed it up and he has the Defensive player of the year to cover his perimeter mistakes.
    Kobe and Nash should both have their legacies defined by how this team performs in the next two years in my opinion. All the cards are on the table.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    LOL at Shock exchange

  • Buyout

    VETO pls

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lisa
    Do you remember when Shaq called Kobe his “little brother”? Or when he asked Kobe how his buttocks tasted.
    Or when he compared Kobe to Sonny Corleone?
    If you don’t think Shaq believes Kobe rode his coattails then you don’t know Shaq.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    shutup, it could have, but i don’t know anything about the guy. as you said, i didn’t mean it to come off that way, and frankly i don’t see any reason it should have. but my bad if it was somehow offensive to anyone.
    .
    Mitch Kupchak is Red Aurbach today. The Magic are literally tanking on purpose. I don’t know why that isn’t an issue? It is illegal to throw games, but not illegal to blatantly throw entire seasons? I mean I understand the concept of being terrible to get better, and it’s true. BUT they did this without any attempt at even securing a single valuable asset. You give up Dwight without receiving ONE good asset? OK…..and according to Holliner it was the Orlando President, Alex Martin’s who orchestrated this car wreck of a trade.

  • lisa

    Shaq said all of that because of the personal problem he had with Kobe. So who was Riding who Duncan or Robinson? Jordan or Scottie/Dennis? I don’t remember them winning anything until they had a TEAM with other futere HOF’rs. We know who the BEST player on the team was but to say a 19 year old Kobe who was holding his own rode Shaq’s coattail? That is foolish. Shaq in ORL didn’t do jack even with a great starting 5. Notice against Hakeem, he wasn’t so dominant.. But against an old Mutumbo and Gieger ect… He couldn’t be touched. It was Shaq AND Kobe, Kobe and Shaq… Not Shaq and company. Like I said average joes think they know everything BUT DON’T… Kobe and Shaq will go down as 2 of the greatest to play. We can sit here and go back and forward but it doesn’t matter.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Couple things:
    1. Thanks to other regulars for coming to my defense. Very cool.
    2. In terms of perimeter defense, Jameer=Nash, JRich<Kobe, and Turk<MWP. So yeah, Lakers will be a top 5 defensive team.
    3. What do you guys see Bynum averaging? 25-12? 18-9? I can't tell.
    4. The Magic will fight with Charlotte for worst record. They're targeting Noel.
    5. This GM is still better than Otis.

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    Ah, *yawns*. Just woke up , decided to ease up on my affect on YOU PEOPLE’s lives and take a 12 hour nap. But back to work. Two car garage? I dont understand? Babooon? Perhaps…i am 6’5 210 with a 42 vert.i climb trees. Either i missed the point or some baboon must of threw some feces over my head…but i used NBK as a reference to me not giving a fuk how i type…like i said take it and leave it…cause ill be getting seats to witness 4 all stars come november-feb. I am a ghost on these forums, i have no heart. No soul. I eat your babies. i come on here and tell people what it is…in any way, because i sir..cant be stopped.
    How was my opinion dismantled? i thought NBK would actually understand my writing..considering we arent…top tier journalists. Are we trying to get a degree or get graded on this website? Shake my damn head at the bigots and ignorant overly confident people on this site. Shake my DAMN head

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    @nbk, well I guess that means Orlando has its eyes set on Nerlens Noel, Cody Zeller, or Shabazz Muhammad.

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    boom bam, we going ham.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    LBoogie: Couldn’t help but notice you tried to call me out earlier on my identity. If you were a regular, you’d know I disclose that regularly. I’m 19 and a sophomore at UC Berkeley on my way to optometry school with a minor in philosophy. I’m an Orlando Magic fan and have been since I first saw Penny take the court. I grew up in Sacramento and saw the Lakers time and time again beat the Kings. And I’m positive I’m smarter than you; did you qualify for MENSA at age 5?
    To other commenters: Sorry, I know that sounded arrogant. But, on a different note…Jameer, Aaron, Hedo, Nicholson, Davis. Worst starting lineup in the L?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you don’t understand why i said you type like a baboon and then come back and tell people you eat their babies? That doesn’t strike you as a contradiction? What I said has absolutely nothing to do with race, there is no bigotry involved. If I called you a hyena would that have been better? Or maybe a dingo? Dingo is probably most appropriate. Since you eat babies.

  • Lisa

    Lakers still need a real coach, not a cheerleader.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Caboose, it was Alex Martin’s who ran point on this trade. You new GM worked in OKC and was their during their whole rebuilding process. This trade may have just been the first step to mimicking their situation. But i still absolutely hate it.

  • LA Huey

    Aside from assisting a conference foe’s evolution into a juggernaut, Denver made out pretty well (assuming McGee improves his IQ). Not sure about Philly though.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I hate it too, only because the draft picks will all come in around the 20′s, save Orlando ‘s. I still have faith in Hennigan, it’s Martins I’ve ALWAYS been suspicious of. Was Otis bad? Yeah. Martins is worse. I think the plan is to tank the next 2 years and just free up a BUNCH of cap space for 2014.

  • LA Huey

    Caboose, when I saw what Orlando got in this trade, I thought “Ugh, Caboose is going to have a sh*tty day”.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that is probably the plan. they want to be in good position for that ridiculous 2014 draft class with Andrew (Ender) Wiggins, Julius Randle, Jabari Parker, Kyle Anderson, Aaron Gordon.

  • LA Huey

    nbk, man this is awful. Even Sam Presti waited to until he got a blue chip before he flipped Shuttlesworth. And while Jeff Green turned out to produce like a mid-1st rounder, you could at last call him a top-5 pick.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Haha I’m torn. I’m glad Dwight is gone, but man…this is pathetic. What I was REALLY hoping for was that the 4th team involved would be someone like Toronto or Sacramento to guarantee a lottery pick. Nope. Philly’s pick will be around 20, Denver’s around 24 and LA’s around 29. But there’s still so many problems:
    -Jameer is still the point guard.
    -We still have Hedo’s contract.
    -JRich was still mildly valuable.
    -We still have no center (Ayon does NOT count).
    -Redick doesn’t get to start (again).
    -We have no low post scorers.
    -We have only one elite shooter left (JJ).
    -We have only one good perimeter defenfer (Aaron).
    -We have no low post defense. AT ALL.
    I think that 20 wins is a good baseline. If Noel lands in our lap, cool. If not, I see a repeat of 2007 Charlotte.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Orlando is going to be hot garbage for a minimum of 3 more years. At the very very least. This trade just totally decimated their immediate future.

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    hahahaha with all the jokes and people changing their names to type out absurd comments…you would think that people wouldnt be so …whats the word for it……austere. **”WHY SO SERIOUS?”**

    Bragging about where you go and how you are smarter than people…over an internet forum…is PURE IGNORANCE from an AMERICAN. especially out of a UC system. smh. no wonder theres tuition hikes.

    Hehehe i am not sure if my constant tirade of LAKERS and glorifying them on this website might of offended a hardcore magic fan…i type with EMPHASIS and SPONTANEITY i dont backspace to check how i type or if it doesnt sound as “educated” as you are. Berkley is cool…but come to UCLA…ill be inside Wooden Arena while you look at peoples eyes…hA

  • LA Huey

    Oh, this also makes it very possible Miami sweeps their entire division. The Hawks are probably the only team that can stop them.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Not necessarily. They only have Glen Davis signed through 2014 and that free agent class is pretty nice. If they play their cards right…oh what am I saying. 4 years, minimum.

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    nick anderson…nick anderson..nick anderson

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    its like i read the stuff on here and im like NOOOO SMH thats not true. Orlando doesnt have the worst starting lineup because they still made it to playoffs without dwight and played well. More shots for everyone now….they will also play better defense and i dont think magic are done trading…theyll get rid of some people…but unsure if hedo is gonna be the same as before.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    LBoogie, how old are you? If it’s higher than 12, I suggest you learn to write like a teenager. Because you lack that capacity.

  • ClydeSays

    I was going to say the Magic lose big in this trade, but really they just dumped one of the biggest crybabies in the history of the L. The picks aren’t great & neither are the players they’re getting, but at least they can move on.
    Lakers are better, of course. Unless Dwight holds them hostage over an extension. Philly clears cap space and can build around Bynum. IF he resigns and IF he stays healthy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    4 years until they start to get better or get back in the playoffs? I was talking about competing for the playoffs. – anyway, you became a Mensa member at 5? You parent’s just decide to take you to get a IQ test randomly or what? if you don’t mind me asking? — LBoogie, are you bragging about the Lakers getting Dwight Howard like an arrogant 14 year old, while also bragging about being 6’5″ 210 and talking about being in Wooden Arena all while complaining about American’s bragging about themselves? You don’t see the contradiction? And you are acting like you are better then American’s in general, you understand that don’t you? Talk about ignorance.

  • http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

    SMART MOVE BY ORLANDO. They never really wanted bynum or lopez in return since those dudes wouldn’t make a huge difference and would just land them a 7 seed. They are saying fine we will suck and get good picks and use those other picks for solid role players or trade bait. It’s gonna take a while but they will turn it around. It’s the new way of the NBA. Look @ charlotte and houston. By the way the Toronto raptors fuggin suck.

  • http://nba.com Lboogie

    again…leave it to the teenagers to try hard and correct people on the internet over proper writing etiquette. i dont think what im writing constitutes a 12 year old. Your eyes must be failing from all that optometry class. im pretty sure i wrote that i wont be getting a grade from this…so get your Berkley grading ass out of my lane, all them professors there turning you into a TA.

  • ALD

    NO. 1 Mitch Kupchak and the Lakers are the Bildergers of the NBA.

    NO. 2 I HOPE ORLANDO LOSES EVERY GAME .

    NO. 3 LAKERS ARE NOT BETTER THAN THE THUNDER

    NO. 4 DWIGHT STILL WANTS TO PLAY WITH THE NETS

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    alright ill stop.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    ALEXHBENNETT

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Lboogie: You had 8 grammatical/spelling errors in that last post. When you were trying to look smart. Nice try, moron.
    Nbk: They had me to take it to see how many grades I should skip. And I don’t see Playoffs until at least 2014-15, realistically at 2015-16…that’s depressing….

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Lboogie: You had 8 grammatical/spelling errors in that last post. When you were trying to look smart. Nice try, idiot.
    Nbk: They had me to take it to see how many grades I should skip. And I don’t see Playoffs until at least 2014-15, realistically at 2015-16…that’s really depressing….
    Caboose: I assume that was Lboogie posing as me trying to prove that he was right. Anyone ever seen me NOT capitalize a sentence? Again, nice try, idiot.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Moron, im not tryin hard to type some opinions out and use proper grammar. Like i said, they got you trained to be a teachers pet. You like to grade papers?? Look douche, this forum is not a writing contest. I was minding my own business…until i was called out for being to emotional HAHAHA. -Lboogie

  • pposse

    lboogie your rant reminds me of that time Dan Lebetard went on on the radio when lbj made his decision. Every time i read your post the background music from the nas track ‘hate me now’ keeps playing in my head

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    honestly..i dont even know why all your info is here right now..im just typing cause i dont give a f….roc a fella yall

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    honestly, your info just popped up and its here..i dont even know why…your berkley ass is probably doing some nerdy stuff. I dont give a F to change it so ill just type on it – Lboogie

  • justin05

    Don’t even talk to this LBooGiE queer. Anyone who is boasting to be 6’5, 210 lbs, w/ a 42 vert has serious self-esteem issues. Reading these posts has been enjoyable tho I must say. Everyone is ripping your stupid ass hahaha

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    “Too emotional.” And no, you weren’t called out. You called everybody else out. I’m sick of making a 5 foot nothing fat white kid look stupid; it’s too damn easy. So put it this way, and call it arrogant if you want, you aren’t worth my time.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    your info just popped up on my box and i didnt care to change cause im not as uptight as you are. Its called living good. When you live good…you can care less about anyone in this world. Upper class /middle class / lower class -lboogie

  • Dee

    Now what if Aaron Affalo turns into an allstar, the same for rookie Mo Harkless? one bad season and Orlando could have a top pick in next years draft…they could end up with a team simular to OKC. We know Durant’s, WestBrooks & Hardins don’t grow on trees so maybe its a stretch but it could happen. The turn around may not take as long as people think. When you have teams like the Heat, the Thunder and now the Lakers around, its’ safe to say Orlando was not going to win a championship anytime soon. So if I’m Orlando, I’m trying to see who’s currently on the roster worth keeping and build around it. It only took Clevland 2 years to bounce back from Lebron leaving. They may actually make the playoffs this season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    The Nets final offer was Humphries, Brooks, Lopez, 4 unprotected draft picks. Idc what anyone thinks, this was a shady trade to help the Lakers with their huge tv contract.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I already said dont waste your time…on me. LOL @ self esteem issues…cool story. I love coming on these forums because he actually corrected the word too* because i typed to….as a 19 year old…youre still immature to understand noone types perfect. what you are doing sir…is being a douchebag and with nothing to come up with…attempted to correct me on the word “too” LMAO see what im saying. Who did i call out?

    Caboose Posted: Aug.10 at 1:58 am
    Lboogie: You sir, sound uneducated, ill-informed, overly opinionated, emotional, dismissive, narcissistic, and simply idiotic. Please either adjust your flawed writing style, correct your flawed thinking style, or expect a further volley of insults.

    LOL SMH i was ranting about Lakers and you came up on me like a 19 year old kid from berkley…ALEX BENNETT from BERKLEY

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Haters going to hate, ballers going to ball, Lakers just got better and the League will Fall. Kobe been balling since age seventeen, Haters hate because they have to play at the YMCA gym, trying to discredit his game, because you don’t have any fame, but Kobe is top 7 and MJ stated this when he stated you can compare Kobe to his Heaven. BOOK IT!!

  • basketball_iQ

    boy everybody who has ever had a slam name/account has come in to comment about this trade
    Denver looks good on paper and orlando didnt come away quite losers in this one to me at all, they have a nice enough product to throw out there for orlando fans to enjoy…ALL the WAY TO THE LOTTERY tho.oh well

    how bout the atlantic division now tho
    philly, NY, NJ, Boston …great games everynight for the nba.

    LAKERS=to the’SHIPgame …that simple

  • basketball_iQ

    Shaquille O’Neal is rolling over in his grave

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    With brian shaw on top of him -Lboogie

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ugh this boogie moron is what makes slam insufferable. you are a clown. and you are reacting a frustrated child. which i hope you are. cuz if you are an adult, reacting, typing, bragging, baiting, and drooling the way you are, then that’s just pathetic. but carry on – you are obviously a genius who has discovered something nobody has ever come across….someone else’s information on the SLAM page? No way? tell us more?

  • justin05

    LOL you are no better than a TROLL’s booger

  • Rainman

    My only question is…do they still run princeton offence? i vote for a Nashton offence.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lisa
    Shaq averaged 28 and 12 against Hakeem in the Finals. And Otis Thorpe guarded Shaq most of the series to protect Hakeem from fouls.
    Now, Shaq couldn’t stop dream, but they didn’ lose in the Finals because Shaq disappeared.
    Kobe has been blessed to play with some of the best big men in the League for most of his career and he’s won games because of it.
    That’s the reality.

  • justin05

    Just make fun of him enough and he’ll go away. You made my morning nbk…”I don’t care about grammar But that doesn’t mean I type like a baboon. But then again, I respect that you can imitate a baboon and still speak a language. That’s impressive.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    They didn’t even make it obvious this trade was set up to make the Lakers good. How the f**k do u turn down 4 unprotected draft picks, MARSHON BROOKS, BROOK LOPEZ, AND HUMPHRIES!?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Caboose, how many grades did you skip? — and i’ve always wanted to take one just to see what I would score. I’ve taken imitation IQ tests, but never an official one. Sorry, intelligence just fascinates me.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Redd, because it’s the same team that signed Rashard Lewis to a max deal, traded Gortat for crumbs, let Ryan Anderson go for Gustavo Ayon, and dismantled a team that made the Finals. Sigh…

  • justin05

    watch out booger is gonna come on here and boast an iq score of 150 lol

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Justin, I beat that score actually. And they recommended I skip 3 grades (1st, 2nd, 3rd) but I ended up just skipping 1. My parents didn’t want me to be so young in my class. Intelligence is so fascinating to me too. Especially the lack of it, as our friend Boogie demonstrates.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    To be a Mensa member you have to score in the top 98.2% right? which is like a 138?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    It changes, but yeah, that’s roughly the cut off.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    i love reacting and typing…with NOBODY to stop me. What you gonna do NBK? Nothing…just like what the Orlando Magic got. Book it! Carry on! #GotSlamForumTrollsMad -Lboogie

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    lol sitting in your chair fuming at me. hahahaha you base intelligence on a slam website forum? Someone should slap the parents that made you. -Lboogie

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Man, I have self pity for my Bulls because of our management but you Magic fans got it worse. Respect for enduring this sad sad excuse for an organization. I still think the powers that be did this..

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Not fuming. Applauding. I’m proud that someone with as severe an intelligence disability as you managed to figure out that the little plastic squares in front of you make the magic light box change. Someday, god willing, you’ll figure out that those weird shapes are called “letters” and normal people use them to make coherent words and sentences.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @Allenp, you are wrong alot on this boards, so Shaq was one of the best big men in the league, who else, but Dwight. Check below what Andrew Bynum average in the two years Kobe got his rings in 2009 and 2010. Gasol was never considered great until he went to the Lakers, before that he was just a player that was good. Playing for the Lakers made him more of a house hold name, but I would take LA, Bosh, Kevin Love and plenty others during the 2009 and 2010 years. Stop hating on Kobe, because you are a Bron fan. You are smarter than that, I thought.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    Sérgio Posted: Jul.10 at 10:51 am
    For you all sayin that KB was playin with a Top 5 center in his last 2 championships, I’d like you to remeber thar, in both 09 and 10, Bynum was coming back from injury, and was wll below his normal production. Check his stats:
    09 Playoffs: 6.3 Pts per game, 3.7 rebounds per game, 0.4 assists per game, 1 block per game.
    10 Playoffs: 8.6 Pts per game, 6.9 rebounds per game, 0.5 assists per game, 1.6 block per game.
    Well, this is production far away from what is expected from a top 5 center.
    Also, ok, in 2000, Shaq was clearly LA’s best players. But He wasn’t better than KB in 01 and 02. Check their numbers: 01 regular season:
    Kobe: 28.5 pts, 5.9 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.7 steals.
    Shaq: 28.7 pts, 12.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 2.8 blks. 01 Playoffs:
    Kobe: 29.4 pts, 7.3 rbs, 6.1 assists, 1.6 steals
    Shaq: 30.4 pts, 15.4 rbs, 3.2 assists, 2.3 blks. 02 regular season:
    Kobe: 25.2 pts, 5.5 rbs, 5.5 assists, 1.5 steals
    Shaq: 27.2 pts, 10.7 rbs, 3.0 assists, 2.0 blks. 02 Playoffs:
    Kobe: 26.6 pts, 5.8 rbs, 4.6 assists, 1.4 steals
    Shaq: 28.5 pts, 12.6 rbs, 2.8 assists, 2.5 blks. You can see that Shaq’s numbers were slightly better in the Playoffs. But remember: all 3 Lakers opponents in the Finals (IND, PHI, NJ) did not have great post defenders to contain Shaq. Also, the Eastern Conference was way worse at the time. The best teams in the league were all out west: Sacremento, San Antonio, Portland, Dallas. And Kobve carried LA thorugh the West. Actually, except for the Finals, KB had better averages than Shaq in the Playoffs. So stop with this bullsh@t talk that KB rode Shaq’s cottails. THANKS HATERS
    ___________________________________________________________________
    The two years Shaq had to play good teams in the NBA Finals with real big men he lost. Rockets locked him up and Detroit too, but you will blame that on Kobe right. Man you don’t know ball, but MJ is your favorite player ever. MJ was Kobe, he did the same things with his teammates. Pippen wanted out, Grant got out and he punched Kerr, was not a great teammate and Rodman stated he got no leadership from MJ. So if a player played with one of the greatest rebounders ever and the greatest all around player ever, then did that player be blessed too, or was he so great, he never lost and won 13 rings. Hater!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    While all this sword fighting is mildly entertaining, let’s all play nice in the sandbox.
    Or not.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Yea that’s what I remember from the imitation test I took for a psych class.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @Caboose
    Chill with the IQ, because you talk like you are exceptional. Just saying, trying to act like you are very smart on the computer is like a cat trying to be a dog. I know you don’t get it. Man, I can rep myself with scores and things. BUT WHO CARES!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    That was me as T-Ray. My bad bruh

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    C’mon Seed. Any good points you had in that rant (there were some) just got steamrolled by your deluge of hyperbolic dialogue.

  • bike

    So Howard’s punishment for being a complete insubordinate and a whiny prima donna is he goes to a better team, in a bigger market, for a full maximum salary deal. And he nuked the ORL franchise for the next 3 years.
    Don’t ever forget who the real bad guy is after all is said and done.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.com TR

    @lisa didnt shaq put up like 28 and 12 in that finals series vs the rockets? he was like 3 years in the L and Hakeem was an established force

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Seed: nbk asked me. And I’m not “acting,” troll booger posted my email address on here and it’s got a Berkeley.edu tag on it. Why lie about yourself on the Internet? I didn’t mean to brag to nbk (or the regulars), just answering questions.

  • rand33p

    dudes on here questioning the mental state of players having never had the will power/dedication/dedication to get to that level themselves … critique their play relative to the league but let’s not say Dwight not intense enough etc. ……. IMO

  • rand33p

    dedication so nice had to say it twice

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    My fault Caboose, I apologize.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Seed, the combo of Pau and Bynum was the best big man tandem in the League.
    If you disagree with this point, that’s your business, but it’s bogus.
    Shaq
    Bynum/Gasol
    Howard
    That’s the best collection of big man talent in the League.
    If you disagree, put up the other list.

  • pposse

    @seed gasol took the memphis grizzlies to the playoffs like 3 consecutive seasons with nobody else on his team! He played in the ‘mighty mighty west’ as some recall this time from 2000-2010. Did Kevin Love ever even sniff the playoffs yet in his career? Bosh got there only twice by himself in the east (weaker conference, i thought?) Please don’t act like Pau Gasol is some soft weak prick who can’t hoop. He was easily a top 3 PF in the league at that time in his career, and he can very well still be a top 5 PF in the league right now! Dont enhance Kobe’s career by disrespecting his own teammate!

  • hatersrfunny

    I sure hope Perkins can stop Dwight because lakers present tougher size advantages for the heat then okc and even with ray and rashard the matchups are paper scary for lakers but I think lebron will b better then last year. As constructed heat still have the slightest of edges. And they will get a center to contain Dwight enough to edge out lakers or whoever. By the way are there still bulls fans because dross is gonna need a lot more help to win after they gave away best bench in Nba. Pure stupidity for bulls now may drop outstanding top 4 in east. Heat cs knicks Philly then bull’s I am a heat fan but wish the bulls could compete for roses sake

  • Bawse

    Anyone who thinks the Lakers dont have a force doesnt know basketball. OKC should have lost 2 of those games against a bad Lakers team. Now Lakers have a pg that can pass and shoot and a big man that comes to play. Bynum was inconsistent and slow. Howard will shut down the paint and Gasol will feed him oopps when Nash isnt. Kobe wants to win now. He will pass and now will have energy for the 4th quarter.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How did the Rockets/Pistons lock him up when he avg. 28/12 on damn near 55% shooting vs HOU and 26/10 on damn near 60% shooting vs DET?
    All this talk about how Shaq never went up against any great post defenders while with LA is a useless arguement on Kobe fans’ part because just who exactly was Kobe going up against in the Finals? Kerry Kittles, 34yr old Reggie and Aaron McKie? Talk about top of the line quality opponents.
    Come on Kobe fans, you’re making it too easy for cats like me.

  • Bawse

    Gasol did get the grizzlies to the playoffs BUT NEVER WON A SINGLE GAME. If you are so great a superstar is suppose to get a win BY HIMSELF especially in his prime. EVEN KG on terrible Minnesota teams would never get swept. Gasol is a good player but not a superstar.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t take that as bragging. Just a form of arguing. Then I got all interested and asked about the rest of the info.

  • Bernie

    Perkins can guard Dwight if anyone thinks otherwise then you forgot the celtics were a team. Sorry laker fans but the thunder are still the team to beat out west

  • Bawse

    @JTAYLOR21 you forgot that Shaq went up against the mighty Rick Smits also in the finals as well as whoever was on those Nets teams. You cant act like Shaq carried Kobe. Shaq was getting swept by Karl and Stockton and remember GREG OSTERTAG was guarding Shaq. People forget Shaq didnt get the ball in crunch time b.c he was terrible at the line ( dont hit me with the big man excuse b.c Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem and every respectable big man got the ball in crunch). I remember Kobe doing it to a still spry Pippen with the Blazers that game 7 when they blew the lead in the 4th! Kobe closed a lot of games. FYI DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES SHAQ WAS SWEPT IN THE PLAYOFFS?

  • LA Huey

    OKC-LAL has to be an epic series.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @Bawse-cosign-I have stated this for a long time, Lakers make u look good.
    @JTaylor21, Numbers and stats don’t tell everything. Ask KD about this, during this NBA finals. He shot what 51%, averaged 30pts, but played with no Fire and did not come through, when the team needed him to be a leader. No offense, I watched both NBA Finals and Shaq tried hard against the Rockets, but he got his, without bringing his teammates along. Against the Pistons, you must of forgot, they double Kobe with Prince and had him chase Rip on offense to tire him out and let Shaq get his. Pistons stated they would let Shaq get his one on one with Ben, but did not let the others get off. Man you got to watch games. Stats are tricky my friend, you have been informed.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    LeBron was swept, Shaq was swept, Magic was swept, same goes for Kareem, Wilt, Hakeem, MJ and numerous other greats but hey, I guess those guys weren’t superstars because they were swept. Stop it.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @Bawse about Gasol, overrated self.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Will the Lakers have 4 All Stars next year?
    How many dimes is Nash going to average?
    Where will Dwight’s numbers be now that he is 1 of 4 viable offensive threats on his team? Scoring average below 20 i’d imagine?
    Is he going to be the same old Dwight defensively or will Mike Brown hamper him, or possibly make him even better?
    Will the Princeton offense still be the go to?
    Is the Lakers bench good enough?
    Does it have to be?
    Is Kobe OLD now?
    Can MWP be a starting SF on a Championship team still, along with being a some what elite defender?
    Who backs up Kobe?
    Do the Lakers have the best set of bigs of all time?
    .
    .
    .
    Allot of questions… I’m pretty excited though.
    I understand this is ridiculous, and seems unfair, BUT ridiculous is the norm in the NBA.
    Do I need to list all the great Super Teams of the past?
    .
    Got to be honest here, sorry if ya’ll don’t see it this way, but IMO, the Lakers should be favored to win the Championship next year.
    Doesn’t mean it will be easy and that they are heavily favored, but they are paper Champs as much or more than OKC and MIA now.

  • pposse

    @bawse i never said Pau Gasol won a game any of those times, but in his defense he was matched up against the Spurs atleast 2 of those 3 playoff meetings. And we all know who Pau would be matched up against individually. How else did you think it was gonna go down? Everyone wants to say the West was ten times the better conference than the East in those days, so then is it not an accomplishment to get to the playoffs in those years? I don’t even kno who the next best player on those memphis teams were. Other than KG and Duncan who was better than Pau? The first year Pau went to the Lakers did they not win a chip? Dude gets thrown under the bus all the time smh.

  • Bawse

    @Bernie Perkins cannot guard Howard straight up. THe Celts were a unit and he had KG. Ibaku wont be able to cheat off of Gasol. Perk will be on the bench after he gets dunked on a few times. Thunder are a joke. Westbrook wont be doing those drives with 2 7 footers waiting and will actually have to stay on Steve Nash or have 3s rained on his head like it is a tropical storm.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    LOUD NOISESSSS

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    A kobe fan talking about someone else failing to “bring his teammates along”? talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    1. Lakers can beat the Thunder. It all comes down to how Kobe plays the game.
    2. Shaq was the best player on the Lakers from his first game there to his last.
    3. Thanks Seed, no worries. Ditto to nbk.
    4. I give it 20 games until Mike Brown is fired.
    5. Denver #3 seed in the West?

  • pposse

    lakeshow currently they are co-favorites to win the championship with the Heat (or very close to)

  • LA Huey

    They didn’t double Kobe. Tayshaun played him straight up. Don’t try to BS this group of NBA fanatics. And you are a handful of Durant critics accusing him of not playing with fire in the Finals. Unless you quantify passion with shooting your team out of games with ill-advised 18 foot jumpshots.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    KD played with “no fire” but he still played better (in his first apperance in the Finals) than Kobe has ever played in 6 out of his 7 career apperances in the Finals. Ouch!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Caboose Nuggets are overblown with decent SFs, much like the Clippers with their SGs

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wait, so when Shaq was getting swept in LA it doesn’t count for Kobe because why exactly?
    THEY WERE ON THE SAME TEAM!
    And if you say Kobe was a key part, well then you prove the argument that he rode Shaq’s dominant coattails.
    C’mon people.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Mike Brown ain’t getting fired this year. If they don’t make at least the WCF they need a scapegoat. Won’t have that if Brown is fired mid-season.

  • Bawse

    @JTAYLOR are you sure some of those people got swept that you mentioned? You were bashing kobe about who guarded him but you fail to mention Shaq was getting swept with a BETTER TEAM than the Jazz ( one year they had 4 all stars, EDDIE JONES, CEBALLOS, VAN EXCEL and Shaq) and was facing Ostertag. I am sorry but that is inexcusable. Especially when you try and diminish Kobe like Shaq was a unstoppable and always winning big in the postseason.

  • LA Huey

    “I understand this is ridiculous, and seems unfair, BUT ridiculous is the norm in the NBA.” co-sign that

  • Bawse

    @JTTaylor that game 7 in which kobe shot bad but got 20 points and 15 plus rebounds has been surpassed by KD? Or when Shaq fouled out against the PACERS ( RIK SMITS WAS TOUGH) and Kobe led them in the 4th and OT to a win? What win did KD get again? He blew that shot game 2 and didnt even protest against his best buddy LEBRON. KD showed no heart or fire and is ONE DIMENSIONAL. Kobe has hit game winners in finals ( pistons game 2 come to mind). STOP WITH THE AMNESIA. You must be a LEBRICK FAN.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    pardon the interuption but lets get this straight the Magic r nothin without dwight.check.The 6erz finally got a center and hes an all star. Denver is loaded wit talent.And the Lakers well the Lakers as always has the best 5 man in da L enough said

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I wish there was a retweet button so I could repost what Huey wrote at 3:09.

  • the king

    The Heat and Thunder will be in the ship next season Westbrook will eat Nash up KD will sh on kobe or Peace of sh Peace of land Peace of Metta and Serge can hold down Pow Pow and mad face Perk can play howard straight up OKC win that then they see Heat back 2 back all hell the King o boy

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    JTaylor12, just got put in his place again.

  • Bawse

    Bynum will fail the 76ers. They will make the offs and lose 1st round at best. Bynum is overrated and is brittle. The debate about him being better than Dwight was a bigger joke than people who bash Kobe and dont recongize the skill and killer instict he has shown.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, that Jazz team had Hornacek, Stockton and Malone. That’s a nice core group with Russell and Carr as good role players.
    And they were coached by Jerry Sloan.
    Compare Hornacek’s numbers to Eddie Jones’ stats and Nick the Quick’s and see who wins. Hornacek is mad underrated.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Insanity is when you keep doing the same thing over and over again (attempting to make arguments without an ounce of factual evidence to back it up) and expecting different results (knowledgeable b-ball fans to take your opinions seriously).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This KD had no fire meme is weird.
    Dude played hard. He just was being guarded by the best player in the League, and he’s not on that level yet.
    If KD played with no fire, what excuse is there for Kobe shooting his team out of the game against the Thunder the year after he got swept by the Dallas Mavericks and Dirk?
    Y’all should be ashamed of yourselves for these horrible arguments. Durant handled his business. Only crazy people watched the Finals and said, “Durant isnt playing hard.”
    Nah, he went hard, he’s just not as complete a player as Bron. No one in the League is as complete a player as Bron. That’s life.

  • Bawse

    @Allenp yes the Jazz had a good team but the Lakers were stacked and SHOULDNT GET SWEPT. Losing and getting swept are two different things! Especially with JTTAYLOR arguing like Shaq was unstoppable force. He mentioned superstarrs that got swept but I would bet $ none of them got swept witha 4 all star team. NONE!!!!

  • Bawse

    @JTTAYLOR you never explained how the mighty Shaq got swept with a 4 all star team and being guarded by Ostertag? You used an argument to bash kobe but for some reason you cant explain your precious Shaq. OHHH WAIT HOW MANY RINGS DID SHAQ WIN COMPARED TO KOBE AFTER? LOL. Cmon man you know you are arguing biasness and not facts.

  • Bawse

    @AllenP Durant didnt even protest the robbery in the 2nd game. He looked pretty fine with losing. Everyone saw a complecent player. I dont like Westbrooks game but at least I could not say he wasnt trying. It was sad looking at Durant after game 1.

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    You can take the online mesa quiz click my name. been a card carrying member since 2003. official test cost $65 or so but you can find discounts at certain times of the years.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @Allenp
    I read plenty of articles, about how KD played with no fire, do I need to post them. I feel KD could have played with the fire, Westbrooked displayed in the NBA Finals. KD took the buddy workout friend with Bron to nice. You try to kill the dude trying to stop you from winning. Its no reason the OKC Thunders should have not won, KD let his team down. Why you think he was crying like a baby to his mom after the final game. KD had no fire. Answer this, is KD playing better in the Olympics with Fire or did he play better in the NBA Finals with Fire. KD played with more fire against Dallas, LA and Spurs. Against Bron he was bromancing every game.

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    Wow the mesa test, come take the table test. nvm I’m a f-in idiot. Carry-on. Two car garage= a place that can smuggle a laptop into prison. Figure it out internet balla.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I swear SLAM has the weirdest conversations…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    So I guess Kobe never got swept playing with the reigning Sixth-Man of the year in LO and two other all-star bigs against DAL in 2011, right?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bawse
    How is it “Shaq got swept” WHEN KOBE WAS ON THE SAME DAMN TEAM!
    That is ridiculous.
    And if getting swept is so evil, what happened against Dallas?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Clyde Drexler should have stood behind the comments he made in the Dream Team book. He didn’t say anything wrong. He got blasted unfairly and out of ocntext.

  • pposse

    any true hoop fan should have been questioning Kobe and his ‘greatness’ when he lost that 3-1 lead over PHX in 7 games (amare wasn’t even playing that year). When your up 3-1 and you lose, thats worse than getting swept. The fact he decided to shoot twice in the second half of game 7 is all i ever really needed to know about Kobe; Kobe cannot win playoff series without dominant big men.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lie #1- Cedric Ceballos never played on the same team with Shaq at any point in his career.
    I know it’s impossible for Kobe fans to tell the truth when it comes to Shaq but you can’t sit there and blatantly lie in the face of overwhelming evidence.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    WOW … Lotta Kobe haters on here huh?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    What Kobe hating is going on? What that has been said that does not “favor” Bryant has been inaccurate?

  • SeanMagicJuan

    If you don’t proclaim Kobe as the G.O.A.T in every post, you’re “hating” on him. The Kobe fans are groupie like.

  • pposse

    sorry Caboose i know you a magic fan, but i really hope next year they get punished for their stupidity on this trade and only get as high as the number 6 pick in the lottery!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Kobe has definitely been fortunate over the course of his career, from him being traded to the lakers after being draftedby the hornets up until now.

  • MUBWAR

    I don’t know what the fuss is all about, this league still belongs to the Big 3 of Miami. And if by some chance they can’t come up on top again then its the big 4 of OKC. then everyone else …sorry Kobe

  • http://www.slamonline.com Exile

    Crazy. Laker’s didn’t give up much did they?

    Howard
    Gasol
    MWP // ‘Twan
    Mamba
    Nash

    Miami vs Lakers final. OKC losing in WCF.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    yes, kobe was very fortunate. but he also worked more and harder than most other stars so id say even if you dont like him you have to admit that he deserves this kind of luck (basketball wise).

  • pposse

    luck is not deserved, thats why its called luck.

  • heartlandG

    THis should put Kobe > Jordan…u cant knocc kobe! for having pieces around him lol yall ni99as mayyyyne…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Only a fool doesn’t respect Kobe.
    Only a fool worships Kobe.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Lol nothing personal posse.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also this Dream Team book is making me go back to my old stance in the Malone vs Barkley debate.
    First I was on Team Barkley.
    Then Team Malone.
    Now i don’t know.

  • http://nba.com EJ

    How do you measure how much fire someone plays with?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    The Lakers just pulled off one of the more brilliant trades in NBA History.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The NUPE

    You can argue Nash improved the Lakers by a greater margin than D12. Just in the fact that Nash is phenominally better than Sessions was and D12 is better than Bynum, but not by nearly as big a margin. So the Lakers are a lot better than they were last season, but I honestly don’t think they are that significantly better than they were last week. Some people even argued that Bynum was a better C than Dwight last year, with Dwights back and Bynum’s knees finally seem healthy, it’s possible (not likely) that Bynum will be better than Dwight next season. I honestly don’t see why it seems like people think the Lakers just got so much better, they replaced the second best C in the league (with a better offensive game) with the best C in the league (who is much more of a presence on defense). just sayin

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    This thread is a great reminder of why I hate Kobe fans so much…

  • LA Huey

    FYI: Team USA is in the midst of opening a can in the 3rd qtr.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Kobe fans are so delusional that they can’t just be glad his team F’ing 3 peated in 00-02…they have to be all fussy about who was the best player on the damn team (news flash, it was Shaq)… Kobe is a great great player, why can’t that be enough for all of you?

  • lisa

    LOL! Yall are still debating? STOP IT… YOUR OPINION DOESN’T MATTER! Instead of arguing about another GTOWN MAN’S legacy, go out and create your own. This is so funny LOL.

  • pposse

    Nupe they upgraded to the best DEFENDER in the league! what are you talkin about right now? The Lakers are going to be a defensive juggernaut this upcoming year. Dwight does not get challenged often by little guards in the paint, Bynum will and will always get challenged by any ball player. The combination of getting a very good pg and the best defender in the league alongside Kobe and Pau is excessive and will rub most people the wrong way. They don’t even need a scoring center, they have nash and kobe both formidable shooters and they got Pau who can still do work, and they got MWP who will make timely ft’s and shots if need be. That team def got significantly better than they were last week. To say dwight is much more of a prescense is an understatement, he is the premiere defender in the game.

  • lisa

    *grown

  • LA Huey

    Deep down, the can’t hide the guilt of admiring a player who didn’t have the fortitude to prove, in court, he wasn’t guilty of the charges brought against him in Colorado. Face it, you’d be too.

  • bike

    @EJ. It is usually measured with an instrument that measures pupil dilation when playing and compares that to dilation when not playing. The greater the difference between the two measurements, the greater the aforementioned ‘fire’. In order to be considered accurate, the pupil dilation measurement when playing has to be taken several times in order to obtain a mean value. Bootstraping statistical procedures are then used to fine tune the mean/average.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    lol @ LA Huey! game. set. match.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, in terms of who was better or greater?

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    There’s an “Horry Jr Stans Anonymous” meeting tonight. Who’s down?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I’m curious nbk, are greater and better different for you when it comes to Malone/Barkley? Follow up, you have them 2/3 all time PF right?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I do. Well actually, no I don’t. “Greater” to me, is what you did over the course of your whole career, that would shake out like this, Duncan, Malone, Garnett, Barkley – probably. Maybe Barkley, Garnett, idk, i have to really look at it. I just assume I’d pick Garnett because of the title but not for sure. “Better” to me is how good they were at their peak. In terms of “better” I would say it goes, Duncan, Barkely, Garnett, Malone. I have never though that Malone was a single game changing force even at his peak, he was always kind of reliant on a guy getting him the ball in spots (thanks John) and was never a dominant defender to make up for that. While Barkley could totally control a game without any help. Or with Garnett, whose offensive abilities were never something to behold in terms of dominance, was an absolutely game changing defender. Make sense?

  • KDtreycinco

    Might as well give the trophy to Kevin Durant and the Thunder ! # lakersnoproblem

  • Brainwashers

    I’m a regular guy and I love the game of basketball. Since the NBA turned into a star-struck, celebrity-fest it has sucked worse and worse every year. The NBA used to be a part of basketball’s soulful, working-class culture. Now the NBA is part of a shallow Hollywood culture and I’m so tired of watching the same story every year. F**** the NBA.

  • Brainwashers

    Also, it’s bullshizzle that Andre Iguodala has to leave Philly, where he is a working-class hero, just because LA needs to buy more championships and Howard needs to feel important.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Love it nbk. Never considered it like that. Is Jordan the best and greatest? Wilt? Magic? Kareem?

  • Subu

    And we just signed Jodie Meeks!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yes Jordan is both. Jordan was at his best in the early 90s, he was at his greatest in the latter 90s. I know it sort of contradicts what I said to split it like that, but that’s just what makes him both. What he did in terms of dominating entire teams in the early 90s, like 93 against Phoenix, that was his peak, he was an overwhelming winning machine. If he had stayed retired, we wouldn’t even consider him “greater” than Magic and Bird but after he came back and kind of gave us all dessert, that’s what makes him the greatest. This make sense? I feel like my thoughts aren’t matching my words.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    No no, I understand.

    Best=Basketball playing ability at 1-4 year peak of career.
    Greatest=Winning ability and overall legacy/talent over entire career span.

    Jordan did both, he was the best basketball player in the league at his peak by far. He is also the greatest in that he had consistently won. So, on that logic, Wilt was better than Russell but Russell is greater.

    When people compile rankings of NBA players, I would guess it’s about 70% greatest, 30% best.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    EXACTLY. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    not that i say things that well in the first place lol, but you know what i mean.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Haha you made yourself clear, don’t worry. As for my PF rankings…
    Greatest: Duncan, Malone, Garnett, Barkley
    Best: Duncan, Barkley, Garnett, Malone
    I think that looks good. Centers is trickier…
    Greatest: Russell, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Olajuwon
    Best: Wilt, Kareem, Olajuwon, Shaq, Russell
    Anybody else wanna join in?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wilt is greater and better than Shaq. Olajuwon is better and I would say greater as well, but the latter is more debatable. IMO it’s no contest between Wilt and Shaq.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    KOBEEEEEEEEEE! Jordan Sucks! Kobe Rules. We’re gonna be 2013 champs and all Miami and OKC can do is watch,

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    screw HEAT

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Lakers suck, all Kobe is is a ball hog!

  • Bravo

    Lakers gonna kill it enough said

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Center’s are extremely difficult. Idk, at their peak, i’d take Wilt, but after that, idk, i’d probably just rank them the same as you, but it’s crazy difficult to know for sure. i wish i got to actually see more Wilt and how he effected games. I know individually he could do whatever he wanted, but I also know he wasn’t a killer. All of the “LeBron doesn’t have the killer instinct talk” is how you can define Wilt. Wilt was more worried about seeming great and being loved at the same time. Hakeem, Russell, Shaq & even Kareem to an extent just wanted to kill everyone. But what’s different for all of them is the circumstances that shaped them as player. Shaq for example, idk if he would have ever become the absolute force he became without that Finals series against Hakeem in ’95. Getting destroyed like that was an eye opening experience for him. Something Wilt never really went through, mainly because Russell wasn’t punishing guys offensively.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Yeah Lakers are going to win for sure. I’m just worried how they’re going to run their offense. To many egos and not a good enough coach. If they figure it all out, 2013 champs for sure!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    LAA BABY

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I just wonder, if Wilt actually had someone to challenge him on an offensive level (Kareem, Shaq) in his prime, would he have worked harder? Honestly, sometimes I think he was just toying with the league. I mean, what dude just says he wants to lead the league in assists and does it? I could argue putting him higher than Jordan on the “Best” list.

  • IGGI

    OMG!! The Magic are so stupid they got nothing, they could have traded DH to the Nets for a better deal. This deal get them NADA. The worse trade ever…

  • Suvamupadhyay

    Wilt would’ve dominated no matter the era. It is hard as it is to score 100 points and get that many rebounds regardless. Shaq was just not as serious and motivated enough player. it’s just how some people are. .. And Teddy-The-Bear quit trolling, or pick a side!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i totally get it. you definitely can, and that does play into my belief that the 66-67 76ers were the greatest team of all time. but Wilt’s whole championship count is the problem. At his best when he averaged 50 the team went 49 and 31 and they lost in the East finals. — in 66-67 he put up 24, 24, and 8 – amazingly ridiculous numbers that are more than boosted by the style/speed/rules of the game back then. the numbers are so screwed up that it’s impossible to rely on that too define the player. Especially considering that team had 3 future hall of famers, Billy Cunningham, Chet Walker, and Hal Greer all being ranked typically in or around the top 100 players of all time. That’s a stacked team to win a title with. So it’s not like he overwhelmed his way as an individual to win, or even really carried any team to a title, and that really hurts him in my book.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Jodie Meeks got signed too, not a bad pick up. Now there’s only 2 destinations for players who want to win quickly. It’s Lakers and Heat only.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Best* team of all time lol

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Best: KAJ/Wilt/Hakeem/Shaq/DRob
    Greatest: KAJ/Hakeem/Wilt/Shaq/MMalone
    Best: TD/KG/Barkley/KMalone/Petit
    Greatest: TD/Malone/KG/Barkley/Petit
    Best: Bird/Baylor/Barry/LeBron/Erving
    Greatest: Bird/Barry/LeBron/Baylor/Erving
    Best: MJ/West/Kobe/Wade/Drexler
    Greatest: MJ/Kobe/Wade/West/Drexler
    Best: Magic/Oscar/Isiah/Stockton/KJ
    Greatest: Magic/Oscar/Isiah/Stockton/Kidd

  • yolo

    afflalo, harrington, euro guy, moe hark, mcroberts, eyenga, 3 first round picks, 2 second round picks isnt that bad for a team building for the future. they have a lot of flexibility and no crazy contracts…besides hedo but im sure hes gone by the time the season starts. lakers got better but so did philly n denver.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    mayne!! This thread is crazier than bill clinton, charlie sheen, dennis rodman, and bernie going on a week long drug binge in amsterdam

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    No Walt Frazier Taylor?

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I like a lot of that JT. But I can’t not put Wilt as the best center. And Russell NEEDS to be on the greatest list. Drexler should be ahead of Wade.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Good lists taylor, but ugh, you’d better move lebron to the front, at least the best line, I suppose you can save greatest for a couple years.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Lboogie are you flat dumb?
    This mixes up my OKC matchup.
    They have a better PG
    we have a better SG
    I’m not even going to get into SF again
    Gasol is now better than Ibaka because of Nash and Howard
    We have a way better center now.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk, damn. I messed up on that one. Take out Kidd/KJ, insert Frazier.
    Caboose, I thought long and hard about that one but I think Malone had a better career (outside of ring count) than Russell.
    Tarzan, maybe LeBron is too low on the best line but I still have Prime Bird being better than current LeBron.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Just saw a stat on NBA TV that said since the NBA/ABA merger in 76, the player with the most 20-20 games is Moses with 109, 67 more than the next guy on the list (Hakeem). That is greatness right there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    One of the reasons Moses is in my top 10

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Wade greater than West?

  • hugo

    kobe had arguably the greatest center ever for his 1st 3 rings, and for his mvp ships he had arguably the best 4 and bynum. not to mention prime LO coming off the bench, playing a more-than-significant role. Now kobe has 3 other hall of famers (pau is a sure lock with his international achievements) and it shouldnt even be considered his team imo. I admit that i dont like kobe, but anyone who sincerely thinks that hes more than just one of the pieces now is also biased, plain and simple!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Taylor, how you gunna feel when Kevin Love smashes Hakeem’s number of 20-20′s?
    Greatness?
    .
    Jodie Meeks is a freaking nice sign. I know Howard and Nash are all that matter, but Meeks is great off the bench, shoots lights out, and we needed a shooter and backup PG/SG. Nicely done Mitch. Keep on seducing.

  • lofton

    Everyone is forgetting that bynum is a better all-around player than Howard sure he won d player of the year but so did Ben Wallace he just a better walace both r injury prone….

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Wow, I thought we got a steal when we landed Pau….

  • the king

    @Brainwashers chill out the Faker not go win the ship they not getin the ship as long as LBJ at the top of his game

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Cheers to Lake and Phantom I’ll see y’all at the parade in June.

  • the king

    not go be a parade in L.A.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    So as I was saying I’ll see y’all at the parade

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    The worst thing about all of this…I have to root for the Heat…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    This is so stacked it ain’t even funny:
    1. Nash
    2. Kobe
    3. Peace
    4. Gasol
    5. Dwight
    With Antawn Jamison off the bench?? And the Magic end up with Aaron Afflalo and Al Harrington? Unbelievable.

  • the king

    not go happen as I was sayin

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Uh huh

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    This is probably one of the most stacked NBA starting lineups ever.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Best starting lineups ever?
    —–
    66-67 76ers: Jones, Greer, Walker, Jackson, Wilt
    86-87 Lakers: Magic, Scott, Worthy, Green, Kareem
    85-86 Celtics: Ainge, Johnson, Bird, McHale, Parish
    71-72 Lakers: Goodrich, West, McMillan, Happy, Wilt
    95-96 Bulls: Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Longley.
    —–
    Now tell me, is
    12-13 Lakers: Nash, Kobe, Artest, Pau, Dwight
    a better starting 5 than those above? My gut says yes…

  • Mike Gilbert

    Im sure he wont see this…but all I gotta say is that pposse said like halfway throught the page that MWP had hall of fame credentials………………

  • pposse

    He was/still can be imo a premiere defender in the league since his rookie year..never said that he would make the hall of fam.. he was the second best guy on that rockets team that finally got out of the first round with yao and t mac (but tmac wasn’t playin that year) and then pushed the eventual champs la lakers to 7 games…ron ron a proven winner without ever playing on the lakers…annot like some superstars who don’t get out of the first round of the playoffs either…plus don’t forget he lost a full year in his prime bc of the mele in detroit

  • pposse

    If artest is the worst player in your starting lineup then your in pretty good shape is all I’m saying

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Pposse, you don’t still think Kobe is also an elite defender do you?

  • pposse

    if kobes assignment is to guard shooting guards then def think he is one of the best to guard that position still..he is still taller than most if not all sg and he is smart enough to anticipate moves before they happen..the sg position in the nba right now is not great in depth so he doesn’t need to be an elite defender…just a good one which he still is..plus out of all players in the league kobe get the most leeway wen it comes to reaching in

  • iceman

    playing devil’s advocate: remember shaq and kobe were together from 1996 and didn’t win jack until 2000 when the wolf man aka the Zen Master and 11 time champion Phil Jackson came abroad, let me ask u guys, do u honestly trust Mike Brown’s decision making in a crucial game, or stretch during the playoffs?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    The Lakers probably do have the best starting line of all-time. You have two former MVP’s and a top 3 player and potential MVP himself every season in Dwight. Granted, Kobe and Nash aren’t what they used to be but they are still at least top seven(Nash more so than Bryant because Kobe is still arguably the best SG) at their positions While Dwights the best at his and Pau still being arguably a top five PF.

  • Jerome

    Nash is the Coach. What he says goes.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    cosign blackphantom… and F*CK that Lboogie guy. this thread took FOREVER to read smh. jesus i barely remember prime garnett.. i gotta go watch more basketball smh

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Oh boy, did Seed, that bastion of virtue, a guy grounded in fact, reality and…..oh wait who am i kidding….
    Yellow/Purple seed lurks on Slamonline to BOOK IT, spout utter nonsense and insulting comments on any article Mavs or Dirk-related (i get it, punk, a sweep and sore loser tantrums by Odom/Bynum bring out the rabies in you), just write the following on this here thread!
    ‘Haters gonna hate!!!’
    Well if that isn’t a confirmation of how utterly delusional AND pathetic you are fool….

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Kareem is the greatest center who’s ever lived.
    And arguably, the greatest player of all time.

  • dev0

    Just watched the intro press conference. He’s so happy. Good for him, and the Lakers. Would’ve liked to see what Nash could do for Bynum, but this is a clear upgrade. The Nash-Amaré style pick-and-roll of the mid-decade could be brought back and would be deadly with Howard flying in. Pau will be rejuvenated, and Metta will keep an edge. And Kobe?
    that’s the best part.

  • philly4rmAfrika

    the clippers cannot get a break… Lol…

  • http://www.slamonline.com flea

    Caboose. On paper yes. Only in terms of “best” Big names list, but not head to head when age and number of players in thier prime is factored in. I would take that 86-87 lakers team over any team past or present, including the 12’13′ Lakers even with old @ss Kareem. That was basketball perfection. The celtics team they beat that year imo is 1B in tearms of “best” teams ever. Also people always leave out the “bad boys” pick a year between 87′-90 they were sick…87’88 Zeke/Dumars/AD/ Mahorn/Laimbeer/ plus Microwave,Rodman and Salley? That said anything short of a chip will be a failure for the 12’13 Lakers. The heat had a buffer since thier best player had yet to win a chip’ but with kobe holding 5 and already losing twice in the finals, there is no buffer. plus Nash and D12 have no more excuses, at this point in thier careers (especially Nash) surrounded by that much talent it’s time to put up or shut up. But on the real all the Kobe critcs and stans are funny. Back in 00′ it was Shaq’s team. If Jordan was on that team it would have been Shaqs team. He was the most dominant player in the game. That said, Shaq doesn’t lead the Lakers past the stacked Blazers or Pacers to win the chip if Kobe didn’t do then what he’s done more than any other player since Shaq in the playoffs and finals. Win games. Pippen never carried that torch from michael, in that sence you could say he rode on Mike’s coatails. I don’t think you can really make that statement in refrence to Kobe, yeah it was obviously Shaqs team, He was greater than Kobe, or any other player in the L at the time.. Duncan,KG,Iverson,Vc,Tmac, but by 01′ kobe was in the convo with those guys already proving to be a superstar in his own right while playing with Shaq. #34 and #8 were arguably the greatest tandem in NBA history.
    As farr as Kobe’s legacy goes, we’ll just have to see..Like Huey said ridiculous is the norm in the NBA not sure if the CBA will prevent this sort of thing in the future, but at least for now the current generation of players are defining thier legacies by teaming up with other great players to win.

  • Larry Johnsons Gold Tooth

    In terms of Greatest starting lineups on paper Fellas forgot about

    84/85 sixers……Moses, Barkley , Dr J, Andrew Toney , Mo Cheeks

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    that aint the best starting five of all time because they lack athleticism and speed. they need at least one guy out there who could guard guys like bron, durant, ellis, iggy, etc… or any point guard in the league. without that teams will find a way to kill the lakers with perimeter game even though gasol and howard would wait in the paint

  • eZ

    This laker team can dominate, but can also easily flame out. As often seen when great players team up, part of their game has to be sacrificed for the team. When players fail or refuse to, the experiment will fail. Can kobe give up shots, move without the ball and accept a lesser role in the clutch. For that matter can nash? Can gasol accept being a no4 option on offense and become a glue guy? Can howard dominate defensively and shelve his face of the franchise no1 scoring option and go-to-guy ambitions he has expressed so often? Can Mike Brown manage all these different personalities and get them to think like a team?
    And ofcourse health, how will steve nash’ back hold up without the phoenix super staff? How will Howards back support a guy who is only a star because of his athleticism? How will kobes knees holdup come playoff time?

    Lot’s of valid questions i think and those make me refrain from annointing the lakers just yet.
    But…very exiting yes (Borat voice)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man this Lakers squad isn’t better than those prime Lakers and Celtics team. Hell, it might not be better than the championship Lakers of the 2000s. It’s arguable whether the squad is better than the early 90s Magic or Piston Bad Boys teams.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yall realize that Nash, Kobe and Artest are all past their prime, right? Even farther past their prime than the Celtics were, right?
    Hell, the Celtics in 2008 might have had a better starting five than this Lakers when you consider where each player was in his development althogh Perkins and Rondo were somewhat weak links.
    If this was 2008, yeah, they could maybe talk about best of all time, but it’s not. The Sixers of 82 were definitely better than this Lakers squad. Not even close.

  • James aka…

    Having read the thread up and down, I have to say what is clear about arguments on this site is a general tendancy to lie by omission. Inconvenient facts get dropped by people on here like merde d’oiseau on a park statue. The false dichotomy of shaq kobe, the catestrophic loses of superstars where they perform well, the idea that a 38 year old steve nash will have no excuse for failure on a team where 3/4 superstars are past their prime. argument requies nuance and some treatement of the counter argument’s best facts, unless you’re a politician campaigning, where sophistry rules supreme. This lakers team looks stupendous on paper, but so did a starting line up that had karl malone at pf, gary payton at pg, kobe at sg and shaq at c. If this team plays well they play well, but reputations and legacies don’t win championships so while the acquisition is exciting, this is no sure thing.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    James
    Right now, without a doubt, the Lakers have the best of second best roster on paper in the West.
    We’ve just been told, when Nash was traded, about how much he still has in the tank and how amazing he was last year with far less talent. So, now he has even better talent than first imagined.
    I don’t understand how Kobe’s legacy is going to take a hit if the team loses, which pretty much everyone agrees about, but Nash is just along for the ride.
    This will be the third time in his career when he’s been surrounded by very good to great talent. If he does not make the Finals at the very least, and preferably win, how could that failure not affect his legacy?
    You can’t argue that dude is a key piece and a difference maker and then say “But if he fails his team was old and so was he.” It’s a built in excuse that is insulting. Kobe is old, and actually has more miles on his body than Nash. Nobody is giving Kobe that pass.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This team is old, no doubt. But they also have extreme advantages for at least another two year. Kobe can still score very well in isolation against most of the league and his supreme intelligence means he knows how to get to the best spots to get off his shots.
    Nash is still one of the most efficient offensive talents in the League and probably still the best shooter off the bounce or spotting up. And obviously he’s one of the best passers.
    Artest can still play defense, hit the occasional shot and post up smaller players.
    Gasol is still a top five power forward, with elite passing skills, decent jumper and great back to the basket moves when he fights for position.
    Howard is the best center in the League, a defensive juggernaut who averaged 20 points and 14 rebounds despite only getting 13 shots and being horrible from the free throw line. He doesn’t need touches to get buckets and his lack of shots rarely impacts his rebounding or defense.
    The only Laker problem that is not controllable by the players is their age. Nash can play defense if he so desires, it’s not impossible. Kobe can move the ball. Gasol can play with fire and aggression while Artest is capable of having success as a defender and fifth option. Dwight can embrace his role and be special.
    There is no excuse for anyone on the Lakers team, particularly not for the team’s two most decorated members if they don’t challenge themselves to do what it takes to get a ring. If Ray Allen and Paul Pierce could morph into part of one of the greatest defensive units in recent NBA history, Kobe and Nash can address the weaknesses that have contributed to their past failures.
    Or pay the price as far as legacy.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Past lineups better than the current Laker squad.
    1962 Celtics- Sam Jones/Heinsohn/Russell/Havlicek/Cousy/Ramsey/KC- all HOFs. ’66 Sixers- Wilt/Hal Greer/Chet Walker/BCunningham.
    ’72 Knicks- Frazier/Monroe/Reed/Bradley/DeBusschere/Lucas
    ’80 Celtics- Bird/Parish/Archibald/McHale/Cornbread Maxwell
    ’83 Sixers- Erving/Moses/Toney/Cheeks/BJones
    ’84 Lakers- Magic/Kareem/Worthy/BScott/McAdoo/Coop/JWilkes
    ’85 Celtics- Bird/McHale/Parish/DJ/Ainge/Walton
    ’88 Pistons- Isiah/Dumars/Vinnie/Laimbeer/Dantley/Rodman/Aguirre/MaHorn
    There are quite a few teams better than the ’12 Laker team.

  • Mack

    As if nobody commented on this article…

  • JoeMaMa

    Nash sits 10 games during the season, if for no other reason, than to rest. Pau takes nights off, and Kobe…and during the season, they accept that they’ll lose a couple of games for the sake of rest. The issue with the Lakers isn’t age – that’s manageable. The issue is whether they can mesh properly. Nash is a consummate team player, and will help. As good as Kobe is, I’m interested if he’ll keep hoisting tough shots. If he paces himself and picks his spots (which will be created with ease by Nash) then he’ll be 23-25/game while staying relatively fresh. I think a big X factor is the Lakers’ bench. Who do they have now? I guess Barnes, Jamison? They need a defensive spark on the bench to spell big minutes. That’s not Jamison. Not really Barnes.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Just to be clear, I’m well aware there are better TEAMS than this Lakers squad, I was solely talking starting 5. That’s all.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Caboose, I know. Most of those cats I named were starters except for a few bench players sprinkled in.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Fair enough. We’ll have to see. On paper, the lineup looks great. When it’s game time, no, I don’t think these 5 surpass the best Lakers or Celtics teams.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    So, are the Lakers the absolute favorite to win the title? They are to me…but that’s only because I’ve always been a Laker fan….and that starting 5 is freaking scary on paper.

  • NBA Guru

    Damn im good! I said it from the beginning, Lakers should not trade Gasol, it would kill the value of this team. They listened, ofcourse (haha) and now this team is gonna be a wicked good. Im reading some of the posts and some people are mentioning the age difference, and if they will be able to mesh. Neither one will be a problem. Nash is too damn good as PG for this to be a problem. Yea theyll get tired becaue of all the years theyve put in, but look at the Celtics last year. Everyody said they were too old, and they nearly knocked out the Heat. Only real losers in this trade is Orlando! I guess they plan on building for the future, cause they got nothing but lottery picks…The NBA is gonna be hell-a-exciting this year..

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    On paper they are the favorites but they are not the team to beat. They haven’t accomplished anything yet. My only worry is that Howard won’t be back until late 2012 or early 2013 so we won’t get a very high seed. We’ll see how it plays out. I personally don’t think chemistry will be a big issue. But cosign whoever it was who mentioned the 08 Celtics. To me they will go down as one of the best teams in history because not only was the starting 5 great but they had great bench production.

  • http://slamonline.com Sergio

    The joys of being a Laker fan! Simply outsmarting everyother team out there! We are the Yankees of Basketball!

  • jinolin

    The general consensus is even if Bean wins another 3 rings he’s still not better then GOAT.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    bryant wont like to hear that but they should really consider moving gasol for a bruiser who only rebounds the ball and plays d like humphries or a younger reggie evans and maybe get one or two quick swingmen in return. otherwise their small perimeter players will be emberassed by faster squads with slashers and shooters like memphis, golden state, oklahoma, miami, denver, etc

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    not small, i meant slow perimeter players

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