Wednesday, August 15th, 2012 at 10:05 am  |  366 responses

Jim Boeheim Thinks LeBron James Could be Better Than Michael Jordan


Syracuse University head coach Jim Boeheim, who has been a longtime assistant for USA Basketball, has observed an endless amount of talent during his career. And according to the uber-experienced coach, Michael Jordan always was the best player he’d ever seen play, by a mile. Well, that was until the 2012 version of LeBron James arrived. Via Syracuse.com: “‘I’ve always thought Michael Jordan was the best player that I’ve ever seen,’ Boeheim said. ‘I always have and I didn’t think it was close. I’m not so sure any more. And I love Michael Jordan. I’m not so sure anymore. This guy is 6-foot-9 and 260 pounds, and he’s getting better. He works on his game. His shooting is getting better. He’s a phenomenal, phenomenal basketball player. I love this game; I love the history of this game. I know we’ve had great, great players through the years. He’s like Magic Johnson with Michael Jordan-type skills as well.’”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Bike, Jordan is 6’4″ in reality. Kobe is like 6’6″ and LeBron is a legitimate 6’8″ – but flat head height is irrelevant, standing reach, Vertical Jump, and quickness stats are what matter. Just saying though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Bosh

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Bosh, brings more to the table.

  • LA Huey

    Weird how sometimes people will compare players of today to those of yesterday and knock the present’s offensive prowess for the lack of handchecking they had to deal with. They almost certainly fail to do the same to the past’s defense for being able to utitlize handchecking.

    Allenp, depends on my franchise. Big market: I take Reggie (I’ll take villain chops over size). Otherwise, Bosh.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Chris Bosh by a small margin.
    .
    Taylor, All those guys are shorter and between 50 to 60 pounds lighter than LBJ.
    I’m not saying that LeBron isn’t great because of his natural gifts, i’m just saying to me it’s not as impressive to see a dude bully his way to the rim.
    That’s not all there is to his game obviously, but that’s his go to. I don’t like that as a go to move. This are my preferences not NBA guidelines. Not saying they should be anyone elses.
    These are just the reasons why I respect and love Kobe’s and MJ’s games more than LBJ despite him being equally as dominant.

  • LA Huey

    Allenp, I consider personality because if I owned a team, I’d put a slight emphasis on my team having a personality. Reggie Miller over Joe Dumars every day of the week.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yet Reggie is in the HOF and most people don’t think Bosh will ever belong.

  • pposse

    handchecking is typical when guarding someone one on one wherever you play other than in the NBA. Is handchecking allowed still in the NCAA and HS atheletics? I know it is in any rec center across the country, the NBA should just change the rules back already..there is enough goddamn talent now in the NBA where people will watch regardless of what the score is..revert back nba please!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And that was a damn good point by LA Huey. Pay attention.

  • feez_22

    I agree with most of Lakeshow’s points but the point about lebron’s skill being on par with 30 other players in the nba… and then comparing his rebounding prowess to kevin durant’s… ok let me start.

    #1: Kevin durant should average 8+ rebounds per game in the reg season. Yes he is a perimeter player but the guy is a legitimate 6-10 with turantula arms the length of seven footers. Lebron probably could average 10 rebounds in a season but he has 2 do much more for his team than a kevin durant does. I think thats more of an energy thing because in the playoffs, lebron avg what 9.7 rebounds per game? Career playoff rebounding avg of 8.7 rebounds per game. Besides, lebron avg 7.9 rebounds this year and avg 7.9 rebounds in 07-08. all but 2 of his seasons under 7 rebounds per game. The anchor of his defense since 08, number 1 passer on his team since he was drafted & the number one scorer since he was drafted (moreso yr 2 forward). I won’t criticise lebron’s rebounding as he does so much for his team already and on top of that ups his rebounds by 1-2 rpg come playoff time.

    2. In terms of putting the basketball in the hoop and manuevering to get the basketball in the net (footwork, post moves, separation, etc) i would agree that lebron is probably on par with 30 other NBA players. Guys like brandon roy are able to manuever the court better. also his jumper isn’t awesome… 45% from midrange in 2010-2011 but it still can be better. 3 pointer is sporadic. However, if you put lebron’s whole skillset together, who really has a better one? IMO, there is no one in the NBA today that has a skillset like that. supreme courtvision that could put him as a top 10 PG if he played that position, great crossover for his size, good shooter (not great), his defensive ability (which isn’t all about athletic prowess; his footwork is pretty good defensively) but what sets him apart is his skill to control an entire game’s tempo. He is the only wing player in the NBA today that can do that. That game 4 against indiana… 40-18-9 … for a player 2 do that… your skillset needs to be supreme. esp in this NBA. talent can only get you so far. but ya in terms of his fundamentals, he needs work so i agree with that.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    @LakeShow So a player’s natural size should be used against them? If we’re going by that, then we can discredit Shaq’s whole career. Why would someone hold a player’s size against them? Makes no sense. All those players you listed who would dominate if they were LeBron’s size (it’s a stupid hypothetical situation to bring up, but let’s go with it)….all those guys you listed are already dominant. D-Rose’s explosiveness and strength lets him dominate other PGs. D-Wade’s strength, defense, and ability to make tough shots makes him dominant. Paul Pierce’s uncanny ability to score without being in a rush. Every superstar player has something that allows them to dominate. Why should LeBron’s gifts be used against him to somehow say that his accomplishments aren’t as impressive as someone who’s smaller than he is?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Defenses are better today than they have ever been. This should be stated apparently. There is a reason the league is giving offensive players new advantages they never had before. The reason it’s hard to recognize for the less “involved” person i would guess is that the focus on team defense has taken from or hid (whatever you want to say) what would be very impressive individual defensive stats and the rules from the past seem to imply the defenses were too good, rather than for the purpose of preventing them from becoming too good as the rule changes were implied to do

  • LA Huey

    “These are just the reasons why I respect and love Kobe’s and MJ’s games more than LBJ despite him being equally as dominant.” I can understand that. Just a matter of preference. I love LBJ’s game for the fact that his seems like fun to play rec-league ball with.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Now I know why Laker fans have little to no respect for what Shaq did
    for their team.
    As a coach I rather have substance over personality.

  • feez_22

    but ya we can’t even compare prime kobe to prime lebron can we? lebron’s prime isn’t even halfway done yet. dude is 27 (well 28 come december) and has 2-3 more yrs of prime left… maybe 4 depending on his athletic deterioration or injuries. Guy imo isn’t at his best yet. his post game can still use a couple go to moves. deep post moves like the dropstep and the turnaround (he has the midrange turnaround off the midpost). As a scorer, lebron will never be as dynamic as prime kobe was… but that’s ok bc no passers on the wing are as good as lebron. iggy is a pretty good passer but not lebron’s level. lebron had a fantastic year but lets wait and see.

  • feez_22

    but ya we can’t even compare prime kobe to prime lebron can we? lebron’s prime isn’t even halfway done yet. dude is 27 (well 28 come december) and has 2-3 more yrs of prime left… maybe 4 depending on his athletic deterioration or injuries. Guy imo isn’t at his best yet. his post game can still use a couple go to moves. deep post moves like the dropstep and the turnaround (he has the midrange turnaround off the midpost). As a scorer, lebron will never be as dynamic as prime kobe was… but that’s ok bc no passers on the wing are as good as lebron. iggy is a pretty good passer but not lebron’s level. lebron had a fantastic year but lets wait and see.

  • peregrine

    Kobe could’ve been a great playmaker if he chose to, but ultimately his most basic instinct was to score. Jordan was very much the same way but Kobe has always been less efficient and less effective. This is not due to any lack of skill or ability on Kobe’s part (which I believe to be on Jordan’s level) but simply his style of play. Honestly, his shot selection has changed little over the years no matter the varying talent levels of the different teams that he has played on. He still insists on doing things his way, which typically means taking some ridiculously stupid shots. IMO, Kobe could’ve been a much greater player if he had changed a very fundamental part of his thinking earlier on.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    LeBron’s size is just as much of an advantage as Jordan’s athleticism was. What’s the difference? Magic said that Jordan was the strongest guard he played against. LeBron bullies his way to the basket. Jordan blew by people, got in the air faster and stayed in the air longer. If that’s going to be a criteria for how impressive someone’s accomplishments are, I could say that Shaq’s championships aren’t all that great because he was the biggest player on the floor at all times. Iverson’s scoring titles were just okay because he was always the fastest/quickest player on the floor. Kobe’s championships mean nothing because he was always the most athletic player on the floor except when he played a young Vince Carter. Jordan’s first 3 championships were just alright. He was supposed to win because he was Air Jordan. His last 3 were also just alright. He was supposed to win because his midrange and post game were great. Absolutely ridiculous to say that a player’s accomplishments should be valued depending on what kind of advantage they had because every superstar has/had some kind of advantage.

  • feez_22

    damn why did my post double post…

  • LA Huey

    “There is a reason the league is giving offensive players new advantages they never had before.” nbk with the point people fail to recognize. Like how folks say the NFL’s getting soft because there rules to protect the quarterback but fail to recognize how much more violent the contact has become in the sport.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    id take reggie miller over bosh. bosh brings more to the table but he doesnt have this little extra / killer instinct. man, when i think of miller killing my knicks with 8 pts in the last 11 seconds in game 1 of the 95 semifinals and then compare that to bosh… youll never get games like these out of a guy like bosh. he is a pretty good pivot but no guy with a killer instinct or an extra gear like guys like barkley or miller had. put miller on a team with some nice point guard and two bruisers down low and youll be as fine as youd be with a team that would be built around bosh with him as the first option. miller was more of a role player but he played his role almost perfect thats why he had this all star status.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.blogspot.com TR

    Man so much has been said here today. I only have a couple of points. First, someone said Shaq didn’t have skills like Duncan…go watch a tape…Ive seen Shaq run the break, make no look passes, use pump fakes etc. The fact is he didnt have to use all those things because he weighed 325 lbs, but I think even if Shaq was 225 lbs he still wouldve been great.

    Currently i believe MJ is the best. I watch old game tapes and the things he was doing 20-25 years ago would still be effective today. Sure LeBron rebounds better, passes better and is stronger, but how do you win a basketball game? By outscoring the opponent. I think MJs ability to score trumps LeBron’s advantages. MJ is a far more advanced scorer than LeBron; however LeBron is 27 so its asinine to say he couldnt be better. The guy is a freak of nature, the terminator version of Magic Johnson. Its nuts, but for now and the foreseeable future its Jordan on top of the mountain.

  • Robert

    @byanymeansnecessary: you are fu***** crazy for saying Dwight will be the best player on that laker team next year. And stop slighting Kobe for having good teammates for most of his career. DWade is a sure fire hall of famer and bosh is a perennial all star. Their system do not need a dominant big men since they play small ball like the thunder. So it’s all about systems that are put in place, so I don’t see any reason why Kobe’s rings should be the only one to have an asterisk next to them. Lastly, I bet anyone here that mj’s teams in 90s except probably the ’91 and ’96 will lose to the celtics of the late 2000s and the spurs of early to mid 2000s. Teams are more loaded now than they were during the 90s. Lebron knew that that’s why he bolted to Miami and the lakers just reloaded themselves too. Bottom line: Mike’s rings are not better than Kobe’s or lebron because he played with mostly role players. Teams today are better today than they were back then.

  • feez_22

    & the argument about handicapping lebron’s skills due to him being a superior athlete… what is that about? It would be one thing if he was the only athletic 6’8 player ever. Fact is, there are a number of athletic small forwards in the league now and whom were in the league before that can’t do half of the things lebron can do. thats the argument skip bayless uses. nice.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.blogspot.com TR

    @Robert, those would be some good games between Jordan’s Bulls and Duncan’s Spurs, but once you start bringing up best teams you open up a whole other can of worms haha

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    @Robert Kobe must also be fu***** crazy because he said the same thing. He also said the team is now Dwight’s.

  • bike

    PJ once said that he gave Jordan the edge over Kobe because of Jordan’s huge hands.
    Just sayin since this thread has been moving so slowly…

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    If Dwight is healthy he’s the best player on the Lakers. And the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Best team IMO are the 87 Lakers biased opinion aside. They had everything you could want in a championship caliber squad. They could score, defend, tight unit and great bench play and HOF players.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.blogspot.com TR

    I think Dwights the 3rd best in the league based on this logic. The only players you could trade for Lebron and Durant are each other or Dwight. After that you’re getting a shitty deal.

  • http://www.stillonthebench.blogspot.com TR

    i think Dwight is the 3rd best in the league based on this logic. The only players you could trade LeBron and Durant for are each other or Dwight. After that you’re getting a shitty deal.

  • LA Huey

    nbk, you hear that 2K13 will feature the Dream Team and other itertations of Team USA

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    i wanted to throw in another thing when talking about lebron james having a better all around game than jordan. jordans carreer averages of 2,4spg and 0,8 bpg as a guard and being under 6,7 speak for itself. wouldnt be suprised if also his defensive efficiency stats were better than james. jordan put up a season with 2,9spg 0,8bpg 8rpg 8apg and 32,5ppg by shooting 53% from the field and 85% from the free throw line. people cant be serious when they say jordan was just a scorer n that he didnt have an overall game. when he entered the 90s they used him less as a ball handler handing splitting passing duties with pippen and the other guards on the roster and using the triangle offense later on where nobody really puts up many assists. in a “normal” offense he wouldve still brought up rediculous all around numbers. but this wouldve been stupid coz they way the 90s bulls played was the most effective thing to do with jordans and pippens skills. thats absolutely no contest, james aint better than jordan and it would really suprise me if people would see him as such when he retires.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    I forgot to mention that earlier Huey saw it on twitter. Sounds like 2K listens to us a little bit.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The NUPE

    A coach who got to work with both guys and see them up close in person in both practice and games believes LeBron could be better than MJ. I think that’s a fairly credible opinion. I believe Pippen made a similar statement after playng with and working out with LeBron and others. Again, another guy with a lot of experience watching MJ up-close and personal. Also, neither coach nor Pippen have anything to ‘gain’ by saying LeBron could be the best ever. Seems like a lot of commentators and people on this board tend to say things more out of an ‘emotional connection’ to the glory of the Jordan era or say ridiculous things like ‘will to win’ or ‘heart’ – which nobody can measure as reasons why MJ is better. And some peope use championship rings which is another weak argument as there are many HOFers without ring that are clearly better than some guys with rings. Russel has more rings than anybody so according to ring-counters he should be the best. Bottom line, rings don’t mean player A is better than player B, all rings mean is the best TEAM in a given season. Comparing players across generations is always hard because rules change as well as style of basketball etc. So to say LeBron is the best doesn’t really surprise me, I would say he’s up there with others. I think the notion of a coach saying LeBron plays like Magic with MJ skills is huge within itself and actually a ‘fair’ way to describe his game. To be compared with arguable the best team basketball player of all time (Magic) and the arguably the best individual player of all time (MJ) is a testament to LeBron that nobody on this board has yet ‘disproved’ with stats or by disecting his actual game. Even Phil thought Kobe (who is compared by some to MJ for individual game) should play more like LeBron. Thats a huge statement too. I understand there are a lot of Lebron haters out there, but nobody yet has even come close to making any kind of reasonable argument as to why LeBron isn’t the best player ever. Another thing, I’ll add, there is a potential difference in “best” player ever and “greatest” player ever.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    A coach who got to work with both guys and see them up close in person in both practice and games believes LeBron could be better than MJ. I think that’s a fairly credible opinion. I believe Pippen made a similar statement after playng with and working out with LeBron and others. Again, another guy with a lot of experience watching MJ up-close and personal. Also, neither coach nor Pippen have anything to ‘gain’ by saying LeBron could be the best ever. Seems like a lot of commentators and people on this board tend to say things more out of an ‘emotional connection’ to the glory of the Jordan era or say ridiculous things like ‘will to win’ or ‘heart’ – which nobody can measure as reasons why MJ is better. And some peope use championship rings which is another weak argument as there are many HOFers without ring that are clearly better than some guys with rings. Russel has more rings than anybody so according to ring-counters he should be the best. Bottom line, rings don’t mean player A is better than player B, all rings mean is the best TEAM in a given season. Comparing players across generations is always hard because rules change as well as style of basketball etc. So to say LeBron is the best doesn’t really surprise me, I would say he’s up there with others. I think the notion of a coach saying LeBron plays like Magic with MJ skills is huge within itself and actually a ‘fair’ way to describe his game. To be compared with arguable the best team basketball player of all time (Magic) and the arguably the best individual player of all time (MJ) is a testament to LeBron that nobody on this board has yet ‘disproved’ with stats or by disecting his actual game. Even Phil thought Kobe (who is compared by some to MJ for individual game) should play more like LeBron. Thats a huge statement too. I understand there are a lot of Lebron haters out there, but nobody yet has even come close to making any kind of reasonable argument as to why LeBron isn’t the best player ever. Another thing, I’ll add, there is a potential difference in best player ever and greatest player ever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah Huey I posted the 92 dream team pic on twitter, if you haven’t seen it.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    What’s your twitter nbk? I’ll follow you I’m trying to boost up our music group page.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    or just compare jordans overall stats during his first 9 years http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=michael_jordan with james overall stats during his 9 years that he played so far http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lebron_james/career_stats.html. thats a no contest. james pulls down slightly some more rebounds and dishes some more assists but not that many while jordans defense and scoring was superior to james. also if you use advanced stats. you cant really put that even coz it were different timesn both play different positions but to me its not even close. jordan was obviously the better player.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    @sooperfadeaway

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Followed man I’m too hyped after I saw the Dream Team pic!

  • LA Huey

    T-Ray, too bad they didn’t want to pay Pippen (or he got greedy). Great to finally see Barkley in the game though.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    My reason for Bosh over Reggie is size and defense. Raggie wasn’t a good defender, Bosh is. Bosh is a PF and can anchor a teams defense and Reggie can’t and isn’t. Miller is the better player IMO. Obviously career wise, but also skill and ability wise.
    .
    nbk, you know how I am with height… Jordan was a legitimate 6’5″ +. I know it’s fractions of inches we are talking about, but from my eye(which is solid) Wade is 6’4 1/2″, Jordan 6’5 3/4″, Kobe 6’6″, LeBron 6’8 1/2″ That’s what my eye tells me. You don’t have to go with my eye lol.
    .
    I have to admit that LeBron is more dominant on a nightly basis now then Kobe ever was. Pains me to say…
    Kobe is streaky though. You get him on a streak and their is no player on God’s green earth that can match him except for his Airness and maybe Bird. That’s why I love the kid.
    But I also can admit i’m a fan of JR Smith and Nick Young’s game.
    Kobe can play down to their level sometimes and that’s gross to watch(mainly because you know Kobe should never be known as a ‘chucker’ with his skill set). He has more skill than anyone. Has brains to match all of them. But his ego gets in the way. That’s Kobe main downfall. Hero baller to the core, but I like hero ball… when it works…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I just hope 96 is there. If its additional US teams then it should since there is only 6 of them.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    Didn’t even notice that Huey. Well seems to me he should be on the team if they continue to have old school Bulls teams oh well we finally got Barkley.

  • LA Huey

    I would love to see the ’96 team on there as it would also mean Reggie finally made it into 2K. The ’93 Suns and the ’94/’01 Pacers were the two teams I wished were in there.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol, it doesn’t matter either way Lake. All the personal accounts of Jordan that ive heard say he was 6’4″ or the same height as Barkley who is also 6’4″ – but its not important… And I totally respect what you said about Bryant. I actually don’t think you’ve ever been so rational about him in a comment section before lol

  • LA Huey

    Lakeshow’s name is being used by someone else. I’m convinced.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/tray24 T-Ray

    I want the 3 peat Laker teams and 01 Sixers I know those were pretty popular request for last year.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ha, like you said whateva. I actually think your right that Jordan is shorter than we have documented. He and Barkley are nearly identical height so i’ll go with Jordan at 6’4 3/4″
    .
    Dream teams are going to be sick. I’ll definitely be rocking 08′, see if I can pull off the upset. 96′ will be too much fun also.

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