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Wednesday, August 22nd, 2012 at 8:55 am  |  91 responses

Mark Cuban Would Never Trade Dirk Nowitzki


Many expect the Dallas Mavericks to be stuck in the middle of a very strong Western Conference, as the Mavs failed to land a superstar player this summer. And, if Dallas does in fact get mired in mediocrity, some expect owner Mark Cuban to consider trading star Dirk Nowitzki. Well, according to Cuban, there’s no chance. Via ESPN.com: “‘I’m not going to trade him,’ Cuban said Tuesday on ESPN Dallas 103.3 FM’s Ben and Skin Show.  Of course, Cuban wouldn’t want to deal Dirk. And the Mavs couldn’t pull the trigger on a trade involving Nowitzki without his permission anyway, considering that his contract includes one of the two no-trade clauses in the NBA.  But what if Nowitzki requested to be moved to a contender for the twilight of his prime? ‘Maybe I’d have the conversation,’ Cuban said. ‘But I know Dirk; he wouldn’t.’”

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  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    Dirk seems like the type that would take the Steve Nash route and just play his heart out until the team realizes he deserves better. Dirk has his ring though, so I could be wrong. That hunger for another could push him to want more at some point in his career.

  • bike

    Mark thought he knew Jason Kidd well also.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dirk is cool man. I don’t think he is consumed with winning a bunch of rings. He doesn’t want to be stuck on a loser, but he’s not driven to collect rings, I think. He’s already the greatest foreign player in NBA history, a sure-fire Hall of Famer. He can chill.

  • bigA

    @Allenp Greatest European ever, is he better than Hakeem? I didn’t watch enough of the Dream to know that.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    WTF is this Dallas Mavericks day today?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Does Hakeem Olajuwon sound like an european name? Just saying.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Co-sign Allenp
    Hakeem isn’t European.

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    Dirk is def the best european player of all time, but not the best foreign player of all time. That belongs to Hakeem, and Dirk might be second or third, flip flopping with Pat Ewing, depending on what ppl deem important stats in this debate.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    I might catch flak for this (but oh well f**k y’all) but I never really considered Hakeem a foreign player like guys like Dirk, Ginobili, etc. Hakeem played college ball in the states, became a US citizen and played for the US olympic team. But that’s just me though, I know he from Nigeria but yeah

  • DABIGFUNDAMENTAL

    “…considering that his contract includes one of the two no-trade clauses in the NBA.”
    Who is the other one. Anyone knows ?

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    @DaBigFundamental – Kobe has the other one

  • Björn Atli

    @DABIGFUNDAMENTAL -Kobe has the other.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Steve Nash should be in the conversation too.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Hakeem and TD are the 2 greatest/best foreign players of all-time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    petrovic is in my top 5 all time euros, sabonis is in there too, pre-NBA Sabonis was a BEAST

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t count you as a foreign player if you played college ball in the USA.
    Hakeem, Nash and Duncan all played their college ball here. That’s just my rule, you’re free to create your own rules.
    I think of foreign players as players whose first experience with the American system was the NBA.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Well…if you do that it will be mostly europeans at the top because most cats from Africa/Canada go to colleges in the US before playing in the L.

  • DABIGFUNDAMENTAL

    thks

  • http://dassdas Zeiram

    I think the national team criteria fits best imho. Did player x play for the us – if yes he can´t be considered foreign. By that metric Dirk is the greatest foreign player ever followed by Nash. (My inner Bill Simmons really wants to rank all of them but just know, we´d probably overvalue NBA credentials in this excercise)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So you don’t consider Pau and Marc Gasol to be foreign players either? They played high school ball in the US.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    My top 5 all-time foriegn players would probably go like:
    1. Dirk
    2. Manu
    3. Kukoc
    4. Petrovic
    5. Detlef Schrempf

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    dont forget about rik smits. lol.
    for sure top 10 euro player.
    and dont forget he started playing basketball when he was 17.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    Yeah Rik Smits is actually right on the outside looking in of my top 5, he makes my top 10 easily. That dude could play

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Manu Ginobili is up there aswell. Tremendous athlete, with a superb offensive skillset. Great competitor.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Foreign Player’s who had to adjust to the NBA
    .Dirk
    .Manu
    .Sabonis
    .Petrovic
    .Parker
    .Pau
    .Kukoc
    .Divac
    .Yao
    .Foreign Players in general
    .Hakeem
    .Ewing
    .Wilkins
    .Mutombo
    .Nash
    .Deng

  • http://www.xvideos.com nbk troll

    Top 5 foreign players: Dylan Dylan Dylan Dylan Dylan

  • http://nba.com GP23

    nbk.. Only Marc Gasol went to High School in America, not Pau. Pau was a professional in Barcelona, and then he was drafted to the Grizzlies. Just saying.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ahh, my bad GP, thanks for correcting that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That’s a good question on Marc. Didn’t he just play a year in the U.S. an then go overseas as a pro?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kukoc should really lower than Shrempf. Shrempf was a much better player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He played at least 2 years in High School. Moved to Tennessee in 2001. Graduated in 03.

  • LA Huey

    Winning a single chip took so much out of Dirk and he’s not committed to putting in what’s required to get back to the summit (as evidenced by coming in last year out of shape). He’s cool with if he never wins one again. As long as the Mavs are in playoff contention, he’ll be fine with riding with them into his sunset. I don’t blame him for feeling that way though. I’d probably do the same in his shoes.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Huey, Germany made him play in the summer last year. He didn’t get any time to rest. I don’t think he was out of shape, he was just tired.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    @Allen yeah I wanted to put Shrempf over Kukoc as well, I guess the 3 rings Kukoc got factored in my decision

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    What about Dikembe?, even though he played college ball in the states definitely a foreign born player. Imo Parker> Dirk. Parker is the most decorated foreign born player.

  • LA Huey

    nbk, forgot about that. Still, I’m certain he’s fine coasting ’til he hangs them up.

  • LA Huey

    My criteria for whether I consider you a foreign player: do you have a noticeable accent?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    SLAM won’t let me post Manu’s accomplishments. But he is far and away the most decorated foreign player of all time. Not even close.

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    Why does Slam hate on NBK??

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Just wondering, where do you guys think Pau Gasol ranks all time, and if you guys consider Steve Nash foreign, then where does he rank. I don’t have Gasol very high and I live in Canada so Steve Nash isn’t foreign to me.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    SLAM hates us all and wants us to be miserable.
    .
    Hakeem
    Ewing
    Dirk
    Nash
    Wilkins
    Manu
    Yao
    Parker
    Gasol
    Shrempf
    Dikembe
    Kukoc
    Divac
    .
    Not counting Duncan and maybe missing someone?
    That my list top to bottom.
    I’d hear arguments for changes.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Sabonis and Petrovic just didn’t get enough PT and years in for me to form an opinion to rate them above the other guys. Although both of their skills were top 5 i’d say.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Lakeshow, unless Steve gets a ring this year,I would have Wilkins over Nash. And Parker over Yao

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Other than that, solid list bro

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    I know Dominique was born in France to military parents but i’ve honestly never heard him considered as a foriegn player.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Fair BM.
    Those are definitely good thoughts. Nash is a hard one. 2 time MVP and top 10 PG ever though..
    Yao I have over Parker just because of his affect on the defensive side.

  • http://Slamonline.com Tyler

    Boris Diaw anyone? lol

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Ya. I’m not really one to comment because I don’t consider Nash foreign. I had Parker higher because of rings and his greater affect on the game. But other than that I agree with that list

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    I’m bout to try and put all foreign BORN players in order when I get back to my comp

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Looking forward to it

  • http://Slamonline.com Tyler

    Make sure Kyrie is in there! He is technically a foreign born player

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Kyrie has only played one year. He dosent belong up there with the greats…yet

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kyrie is also one year into his career.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    Here goes, (listed in terms of best career overall, not just NBA career)
    .1)Hakeem Olajuwan (Only foreign player with Rings, an MVP, and DPOY award)
    .2)Patrick Ewing (would probably be with Hakeem if he didn’t play in the same era)
    .3)Dirk Nowitzki (Only other foreign player with both a Ring and MVP)
    .4)Manu Ginobili (look at his honors on his wikipedia page, click my name)
    .5)Dominique Wilkins (unfortunately played in the 80s and has no big time accomplishments other than a scoring title)
    .6)Steve Nash (do these need to be listed? he was born in south africa – he’s Canadian – doesn’t eat sugar)
    .7)Dikembe Mutombo (4 time DPOY)
    .8)Tony Parker (3 Rings, 1 finals MVP, 1 2nd-Team All-NBA, 1 3rd-Team All-NBA)
    .9)Pau Gasol (what’a sissy)
    .10)Drazen Petrovic (what’a shooter – plus various european titles and brief NBA success)

  • LA Huey

    What about Darko?

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Good list nbk, but I have TP ahead of Dikembe Mutombo

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK did you leave Duncan off your list for a reason?

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Duncan is foreign? Where is he from?

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    it was really close for me, but i gave it to Dikembe because i feel like SO FAR he has been the better individual –
    .(Dikembe) 4 DPOY – 6-Time All Defense – 1 Second-Team All-NBA, 2 Third-Team All-NBA, 8 time All star, All Rookie 1st Team.
    .(Tony P) 1 Finals MVP – 1 Second-Team, 1 Third-Team, All Rookie 1st Team

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    The Virgin Islands are considered a US territory.

  • MikeC.

    @Mamba – Virgin Islands.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Wikipedia says that Duncan is American

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    OH and TP has 4 All-Star births too.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Oh. OK. I had TP ahead for rings and personally, I think he’s better. nbk, as of 2013 who do you think is the best current foreign player. I got Parker, Ibaka, or one of the Gasol’s

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    It’s still Pau or Dirk imo. Mike Brown’s offense and Dirk’s exhaustion are the reasons it doesn’t seem that way.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Ya I agree. I hate the Mavs, always have, but I feel sorry for Dirk. And I don’t know why everybody was ripping Pau last year. He didn’t look too bad to me, outside of the playoffs.

  • bigA

    @JTaylor21 Posted: Aug.22 at 10:58 am

    I was making the statement that Dirk is the best European ever and then asked about Hakeem.
    Guess it’s my fault that I seem more stupid than I am.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    He was uncomfortable. The Offense Mike Brown implemented was just putrid and frankly stupid. Any time you are bringing your 7 foot, best post man in the league out to the 3 point line on a regular basis, then you should know your offense is broken. But he didn’t. He just kept doing the same stupid ass thing.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    I agree. I can remember countless Laker games where I told my dad, “why the hell is Gasol it the three point line?” I hope he dosent screw up this thing with Nash and Dwight. Hopefully the veterans like Kobe, Nash and Jamison will know what to do

  • http://slamonline.com LLC#12

    Whenever conversations like this arise I always think how much I’d prefer to watch a “USA vs the world” all star game than West conference vs East conference…

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    If he is going to run a princeton offense like he said, then there will be sets with Gasol on the perimeter. Implementing that offense with this roster makes little to no sense, so i hope that was all a bunch of bullsh*t. The Princeton offense typically takes 1 big (Gasol) out to the perimeter, and takes the ball out of the primary ball handler’s (Steve Nash) hands.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    If Team USA isn’t going to lose to Spain, they aren’t going to lose to a foreign all-star team. The benefit from having so much talent is negated by that talent not playing together, while team USA has more talent and has played together.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    The best foreign players i know of (I’m not counting schrempf or whatever bc i’ve never seen him or heard of him until just know) from greatest to least

    Hakeem Olajuwan
    Tim Duncan
    Pat Ewing
    Manu Ginnobli
    Tony Parker
    Pau Gasol
    Toni Kukoc
    Dirk Nowitizki
    Steve Nash
    Dominique Wilkins

    Dirk should obviously be higher, but I F*cking hate him bc of the 2011 nba finals. what do you think?

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    also NBK w/ dwight not coming in for a while, bc of back injury i think Gasol will slide to the 5 and Jamison will play PF, and he’ll be put on the perimeter.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    Tim Duncan was technically born in the United States. Just not in an actual State.

  • LA Huey

    I wish homecourt advantage in the NBA Finals was decided by the winning conference of the ASG. That’s the one thing baseball has right. There’s still going to be plenty of matador defense but fewer silly alley oop attempts in the 1st half.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    ^^ fine. but I’m leaving him on the list just cuz.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili nbk

    Dwight will supposedly be back by November. Which is during the first month of the season. No way Mike Brown implements an offense in training camp that they only use for a month or two.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    No love for The Machine? Give the man some respect, make that double champ respect.

  • http://Slamonline.com Black Mamba

    Princenton offense is stupid for this Laker team

  • jayrose

    Lake these balls

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Dat, you really had never heard of Detlef Schrempf?
    Damn son!
    He was a better version of Toni Kukoc IMO.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Yeah never lol… And word? I’ll check out some of his highlights

  • LA Huey

    Detlef > Dirk. In my heart, that is.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    I watched the Vlade’s documentary the other day about the late 80′s/early 90s Yugoslavian/Croatian national team and the falling out between Vlade and Petrovic due to the conflict going on in their home countries. I haven’t seen a lot of footage on Petrovic but apparently dude was balling once he got traded to the Nets. Busting Mike on the regular and talking trash to him. Dropping 50-60 pts as a teenager back home. Gifted shooter. Even DC thought he was the real deal. Tragic end to such a talent. Any of the gramps in here see him play?

  • http://slamonline.com LLC#12

    @nbk yeah of course, it wouldn’t be too close, but still entertaining!
    @nick tha quick, he was before my time too, but on youtube theres a pretty insane video of a euroleague game where he drops like 40 but Oscar Schmidt has like 60 for the other team, crazy, short shorts and bad hairstyles everywhere.

  • derby

    Duncan is an olympian too

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Glad someone just mentioned Brazil’s Oscar, easily one of the greatest scorers ever foreign or American just ask Barkley, a pity he never played in the NBA. Also have to give a shout out to Sarunas Marciulionis (not saying that he should make the top 5 or even 10, but for sure the yop 15). Sarunas was gritty and could really shoot the ball. Back in 1996 I met him as a 16 year old when my team competed in a tournament in his native Lithuania, the tournament was held at Sarunas’ basketball academy and my team (national champs and undefeated for 12+ months at that time) got our as@es handed to us, finishing 13th out of 14 teams. In the last game to decide who finished last, we where behind by 4 with 20 secs left on the clock. I took the inbounds pass and hit a rainbow 3 from the top of the key. Afterwards me and my backcourt-mate pressured their guard into a turnover (actually pushing/fouling the heck out of him but the refs swallowed their whistles) and then our leading scorer drove and hit a lay up at the buzzer so we finished 13th – true story.. Ohh those were the days..

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    That tournament was the first time I realized I was never going to made it into the NBA, too many good players around with way more size and strength. But looking back as a soon to be 31 year old with a bad knee, those were really the days. Gotta cherish the memories..

  • http://www.mensa.org/workout.php shutup

    I meant NBA accomplishments.(just to clarify)

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Oh word that makes sense

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