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Friday, September 14th, 2012 at 10:05 am  |  46 responses

Doug Collins Unconcerned About Andrew Bynum’s Maturity


Andrew Bynum pulled off many hilarious (albeit wildly immature) stunts during his time with the Los Angeles Lakers, but his new coach in Philly says that he’s not worried. In fact, Sixers’ bench boss Doug Collins claims to enjoy Bynum’s sense of humor. Riiiiight. Per the Philly Daily News: “Q: What is your concern level with the things that have been said about Bynum’s sometimes lack of maturity? DC: ‘I have zero concern. One thing is I never judge a man from a distance. Sometimes people want to pull out one or two things … but you could pull out things on all the great players in the NBA. Andrew is an incredibly well-spoken young guy. He’s articulate, he’s bright, he’s smart and he knows the game. I think he’s happy to be home. He just got a place in the suburbs here and said he loves being here on the East Coast. I think he views this as a great opportunity to be viewed as a central figure on a team every single night that’s going to count on him. I think he views this as a step in his career where he really has a chance to show what he’s all about. He’s got a good sense of humor. I feel really good about him.’”

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  • pposse

    i usually don’t root for other teams other than the chitown bulls, but im gonna be rooting for philly this year. I hope Bynum proves to be a better C than Dwight for the coming years.

  • Dagger

    Couldn’t agree more. I’m really curious to see how it all turns out. I think Bynum’s going to surprise a lot of people.

  • Conor

    I think he will. Andrew Bynum, when active & totally focused, is the class of the League at centre.

    Although I believe Howard is a better fit for Los Angeles, as constructed, I have always considered Bynum to be more talented.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Bynum is never going to be better than Howard.

  • spit hot fiyah

    let’s see what happens if he starts launching top of the key 3s

  • Fat Lever

    It’s good Doug appreciates comedy. Makes sense now that he said he wants Hawes playing like Pau. Had to be the joke of the year.

  • shockexchange

    Of course he’s unconcerned. 7 footers are hard to come by.

  • Caboose

    Things Dwight is better at:
    -Defense
    -Athleticism
    -Efficiency
    -Passing out of doubles
    -Basketball IQ
    Things Bynum is better at:
    -Footwork

  • LakeShow

    Bynum’s what, 3 years younger than him?
    I wouldn’t say never.
    But feel free to say never lol.
    He put up 18-12-2 as option 2a/b last year.
    He’s the MAN now in Philly.
    He should put up 22-12-2 next year.
    Arguably in the same tier as Dwight.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    His 22-12 IF he did it would be nice and all, but defensively he’s not even kind of what Dwight is. And for the record, you said literally the exact same thing about his stats last summer. And Dwight is not even 2 full years older than Bynum.

  • LakeShow

    No I didn’t.
    I said he would put up exactly what he put up. 18-12-2.I said he has potential to be a 22+12+3 guy. Now he has the chance to be the guy and he will show ya’ll what I was talking about.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ahh you are right. actually you said “LakeShow • a year ago−
    Good spot. 3rd best Center in the L. Maybe 2nd this next year we’ll see. If he plays 30 mins and plays in over 65 games he should avg at least 16, 11, 2.5 this next year.” – regardless, even if he averaged 22 and 12, he’s not as good as Howard. He’s clearly the 2nd best Center in the league at this point, but he’s not better than Howard, or even close.

  • LakeShow

    I think that was pertaining to Bogut being a force. That didn’t happen.
    Your arguing straw man style though because I said “I wouldn’t say never.” In regards to Bynum never being as good as Howard. He can be. He probably won’t be, but the skills and size are there.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The Size? Shawn Bradley had the size. Eddy Curry has the size. Many players have the size. The Size means nothing. Especially considering Bynum is barely any bigger than Howard.
    . Arguing he has the skills is pretty weak, considering skills aren’t what make anyone better than anyone else. If Skills are all it takes other than size to become better than other people, then the NBA and it’s history would be vastly different.
    . Bynum doesn’t have the maturity, or athleticism to overtake Dwight. He’s a headcase, always has been, always will be. That type of thing doesn’t change.

  • sigmundfreud

    Bynum isn’t immature, he is simply emotionally stunted. He is stuck in an emotional ‘playpen’. He is looking for a feeling, like a woman that will get him high.
    What he really needs is to work through his co-dependency issues and learn how to cope with life on his own before involving anyone else.

  • LakeShow

    Your saying size does not play a part in being able to dominate?
    You think skills don’t matter either?
    You think it’s all about athleticism and whats going on in your head?
    Straw man arguments suck don’t they…

    I do not agree with you.
    Bynum has everything it takes to be as good as Howard is. The problem is Howard will be getting better also and Bynum will likely not surpass Howard if that’s what happens.

  • MrSuper

    Are you on crack? Size matters especially in b-ball. Skill matters, obviously!!! In everything we do!!! What do you know about the history of the league? Obviously not much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you should probably just stay out of this conversation.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i meant size, in this situation, doesn’t matter. Bynum has the size to be a great center. So does every other Center. Thus, Size means nothing in this situation. Ofcourse size matters if we are talking about a prospect. But we are talking about the two best Center’s in the NBA.
    .
    In terms of straw man, i didn’t say those things (size and skill) don’t matter. My point was, those two things don’t make up what it takes to become the best center in the NBA. We both know it is more mental and effort based than anything at that level. Bynum just doesn’t have the mental or athletic tools necessary to become a better player than Howard. His size and skills don’t and won’t make up the difference between him and Howard.
    .
    If anyone in the league thought Bynum would be better than Howard, this Howard to Lakers deal would not have been such an obvious solution. Nobody in the league thought higher of Bynum than Buss. And he still traded him for Howard. I don’t see why anyone would think Bynum will ever overtake him. Especially with his injury history.

  • LakeShow

    I see what your saying completely. Good points.
    I wouldn’t put money on Bynum being better than Dwight at some point, but I wouldn’t put money on Dwight always being better than Bynum over their careers.
    I have always said Howard is better than Bynum, and that opinion is a shared one amongst most, because it’s right, but Bynum has what it takes, minus the head game (I don’t place as much on athleticism as many do) to equal Howard. So if he gets his head right, I see him competing at some point for the L’s best Center. He never will be what Howard is defensively, but he can become superior offensively. Many say he already is.
    Time will tell.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s completely fair. I think Howard still has more potential than Bynum, but you are right, only time will tell.

  • Dagger

    Who said he would?

    That said, the key advantages Bynum has over Howard right now: his wider base, and better post moves. Bynum has a long way to go, but as Lakeshow said, you can’t rule it out at this point.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Conor did. And you said you couldn’t agree more.

  • Dagger

    Ah, I see. I responded to ppose comment about rooting for Philly; I think he edited it. Certainly don’t think you can argue that Bynum is better than Howard right now.

  • iceman

    Clearly Howard when healthy and focused is without a doubt the best C in the league but Bynum is not as far off as some of you like to believe, his defense this year has definitely improved with 10 blocked shots(tied record) this year in the playoff’s vs Denver he arguably has better offensive go to moves and is more polished right now on the offensive end than Howard, he’ll finally get the rock as the man vs mamba who we all know even the diesel had to yell at to get the damn ball, Will see this season if Bynum finally puts in anything close to kobesque work ethic and matures a bit,
    .
    I honestly believe he can be the best center in the league, but as for right now the 3 time dpoy Howard holds that mantle cant wait for this season,gonna have to get league pass this year fo sho

  • JL

    I’m not sure Howard is that great at passing out of doubles. He does average 3+ turnovers a game. Also his efficiency isn’t as high because of his low FT%. I think basketball IQ they are very similar in different ways, but if you throw in offensive repertoire, Bynum then has the edge. I’d still do the trade if I was the Lakers GM for sure though. Howard’s defensive impact is way higher.

  • jer dawg

    Lakers really sold Bynum as a franchise player. Turned that piece of trash into Dwight Howard. Good job you greedy bastards

  • Caboose

    Dwight actually has a higher Ast%, higher eFG%, higher points per possession, and a much better basketball IQ. I base this simply on the fact that Bynum is a head case. The higher TO rate is because of a higher usage rate. The stats are very much against Bynum, most people know this.

  • dso

    For Bynum to be even considered the best Center in the league, he would first need to get Philly to get to the Finals. Dwight did that in Orlando alone in 2008 so in order for Bynum to even be on the same level as Dwight he would have to do the same. Sure you can argue that he has the potential to become the best center in the league and based on his skill set, size, and experience it is very possible. But for as long as Howard remains healthy and works on his offense with Kareem he will still be the better center. Even if Howard puts up numbers 18-12-2 in LA, he still is the better center regardless if Bynum manages to put up 23-13-2 because of his natural gifts. Bynum just doesnt have that explosiveness that Howard does. Being able to explode like Howard will always leave Bynum handicap overall. And if proof is needed to see who was the better center, look at this past All-Star game. Bynum was obviously struggling. I’m not saying that he will always do that against Howard but if that is any indication on who is the better center than right there on how they play against each other should let you know who really is the better center. All in all, Bynum is a fantastic player with the chance to really blossom as one of the elites. But will always be number 2 as long as DH12 is present.

  • datkid

    Howard’s ability to kick out to shooters allowed the magic to destroy everyone in 09.. of course he’s a better passer

  • Ugh

    Which team did they not destroy in ’09 again?

  • Ugh

    Skills are learnable attributes that can be used repeatedly. What are ‘mental or athletic tools’ if they aren’t skills?

  • ruckerpete

    i’m a knicks fan so what

  • Drig

    Bynum will never have the kind of impact Dwight has on the defensive end. His foot speed will never let him be one. It’s one of the reasons any PG worth his salt burns us from mid range with the PnR game. However, Bynum has MUCH more polished post moves but he hasn’t got used to the doubles yet. Also, Bynum is about 3 inches taller to Howard ( when you compare their pics next to Kareem ). Howard has a higher vert than Bynum does. Rebounding wise, I don’t think Bynum is any worse than Howard is when he wants to rebound. The problem with Bynum in the #1 C argument is that he hasn’t shown enough consistency at the elite level on either end at any facet when compared to Howard. After next season, we’ll have a better idea of where both stand. However, don’t be shocked to see half the teams in the L preferring Bynum’s offensive punch rather than Dwight’s lockdown presence.

  • Drig

    BTW guys, since we are talking about the LA team anyways, you guys believe Metta gonna go back to being Ron this seaosn?

  • BG to DJ

    Sorry to join this conversation@nbk and @Lakeshow,But Dwight and Bynum are to different people(its like comparing apples to oranges).Here’s why Dwight:no major injury history,Has in game focus,is bad at free throws,offensive game limited/needs work and is defensively a beast.Bynum:knee problems,in game focus questioned/inconsistent,good free throw shooter,good offensive game,makes bone head fouls that could eventually hurt someone/get him kicked out of the league and an average defender.Overall the lakers are preparing to give Kobe one/two shots at going for it all before he goes out and they hand the team to Dwight who will keep the lakers relevant after kobe leaves/majorly declines if he comes back.Bynum makes the sixers good but if he puts it all together as the no 1 option and stays healthy that is the question,one the lakers had no more patience for which clearly shows the difference in potential/talents of both players(dwight franchise player and bynum key component but not franchise level player)

  • iceman

    really? he carried the magic alone to the finals? really? except u left out Hedo Turkoglu the former michael jordan of turkey was a straight BOSS in the playoffs, rashard lewis was the leading scorer for the magic during there playoff run, jameer and rashard both made the allstar team the following year so get real, that team had ballers on it, not like he was carring Smush Parker and company to the finals,if he was then u can get away with saying he carried them alone but he had plenty of help that year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Despite the theory that Bynum is the superior offensive player, there is just no real reason to believe that. Post moves don’t make him better if Howard scores more points more efficiently with less moves. Factually speaking, Howard is better in every way.

  • LakeShow

    Factually speaking Howard has been the only post presence on his team. That can be looked at in two ways; either, Bynum doesn’t get the room to operate, or Howard gets all the defensive focus on the post. Both are true, which one plays a heavier role is up to debate.
    Next year Bynum will be the true 1st option for the first time like Howard has been his whole career. Those offensive moves that you don’t think really change any difference between DH and AB’s games will be much more evident.
    We do all know that Bynum struggles like a MOFO tossing the ball out of double teams so he will probably get tossed outta like 3 games for swingin’ his bow’s like a maniac. If he learns to deal with double teams, then he will prove next year to be the superior post scorer. Which may not matter today, but with Dwight’s back issues we don’t know where he will be at athletically. With Bynum it doesn’t matter. He’s developed his offensive moves for the long haul. It’s on his knees to stay together now.

  • LakeShow

    Ron Ron is back!!!!
    Naw, prolly not…
    Where I think he will be though is in post All Star shape. The staff has been bragging about how good of shape he is in and how focused he is. We can only assume right now, but I see a great defensive outing from Ronny next year. His FG% should rise with better shots since he doesn’t need to be the 3 point threat any more.

  • Drig

    FT shooting. No. :P If Bynum learns to handle double teams, get out and repost quick enough in a good position to get the ball back, he’s gonna be the better guy on O and teams are gonna struggle to handle his variations. He ain’t there yet but I’m thinking in a year or two, he’s gonna be there. And his FT shooting is gonna make other teams think twice about doing the hack a dummy routine which I know I’ll have to relive with Dwight. BTW, how according to you is Dwight better at rebounding than Bynum?? That’s one of the very few things he does atleast on par with Dwight. And consistently at that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Look at their rebounding numbers. Specifically rebound rate. Dwight is considerably better.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I do believe Bynum’s basic numbers will look better in Philadelphia. But I also believe, with that teams complete lack of shooting other than Holiday his efficiency will take a hit. I just think with the better talent and higher ceiling Dwight will still be the more effective offensive player.

  • pposse

    haha wtf!! how do you get all of that from watching Bynum hoop??! Oooh shiiet i just saw your name too and now it all makes sense! this comment made my day!

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Bynum was drafted one year after Dwight. Everyone thinks there is a huge age difference, but there isn’t. Dwight just developed that much faster. It’s funny.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah sorry, I was 1 year off…

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