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Tuesday, September 18th, 2012 at 11:00 am  |  176 responses

The Los Angeles Lakers’ Tax Bill Could Reach $94.5 Million in 2014


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

It takes quite a bit for an NBA franchise to remain on top and contend for titles on a regular basis – front-office smarts, good trades, solid draft picks, etc. – but above all, it takes money. Lots of it.

The Los Angeles Lakers generate more revenue than most (if not all) of their rivals, but their operation is getting more costly to run than ever before. Thanks to the newly agreed upon Collective Bargaining Agreement, the Lakers could end up facing a tax bill of some $95 million after this season if they want to keep their core of players together.

In other words, to keep the team intact, the Lakers could be looking at a payroll of nearly $200 million.

Per the LA Times:

“My feeling is that we’ll continue to pursue the top players in the league,” Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak said. “There will always be an emphasis on having the franchise be able to survive and prosper.”

This is the last season the Lakers will pay a dollar-for-dollar penalty for exceeding the luxury-tax threshold, meaning that their league-high payroll of $99.2 million will cost them an additional $28.9 million in taxes, because that’s how far they are above the $70.3-million tax level. The tax will raise the tab for their player costs to $128 million. Starting next season, the tax burden gets significantly heavier. NBA teams must pay a $1.50-to-$1 ratio for the first $4.99 million they are over the luxury-tax threshold, a $1.75-to-$1 ratio for being $5 million to $9.99 million above the threshold, a $2.50 ratio for $10 million to $14.99 million over, and a $3.25 ratio for $15 million to $19.99 million beyond the threshold. Teams that are $20 million or more over the tax level accrue additional penalties, increasing by 50 cents per dollar for every $5 million. Those extra pennies can add up to millions, particularly for teams with multiple all-stars.

The Lakers already have $79.6 million committed to eight players for the 2013-14 season. Assuming they re-sign [Dwight] Howard next summer to a maximum contract that calls for him to make $20.5 million in the first year, that bumps the Lakers payroll over $100 million. If their final payroll was $105 million, that would put them $32 million over the league’s projected tax threshold of $73 million, triggering a tax of $94.5 million and putting the team on the hook for a staggering total of $199.5 million — a 55.9% increase over the total for this season with essentially the same group of core players.

There’s no need to feel sorry for the Lakers, of course. They’re certainly not lacking in funds.

The question going forward becomes, Will they be willing to bite the bullet and continue hoarding some of the NBA’s best talent?

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  • PippenAintEasy

    The Lakers are a worldwide popular team. Only the Bulls have matched them worldwide, mainly due to MJ.

  • floe

    watch them not win a championship with this team and coach.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the thing that’s not being mentioned here, is that the Salary Cap will increase every year. And the NBA is signing a new TV deal soon, which could vault the Salary Cap higher than anyone expects. Not to say LA won’t be paying an assload of money in luxury taxes, but they won’t be paying as much as it seems.

  • MUBWAR

    goood, now maybe my raptors can stand a chance against these mega spenders in LA Mia and Boston.

  • M Cho

    I didn’t know that the cap is increasing too. Rich mf’ers always find a loophole to keep on staying rich.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the Salary Cap has increased every year since it was implemented except for this past season. With league growth comes financial growth within each organization. The more money the Lakers make, the more money the league makes, and thus, the players are allowed to make.

  • Shifty

    This is rediculous. Can picture Buss going for a coffee and asking one of his staff “you got this?”

  • Drig

    As long as we get 200 million per year from that ridiculous TV deal for the next 20 odd years, you sure as hell are gonna see the Lakers cough up the cash to get the guy they want. Hell, even with all that tax, atleast half of next year’s season tix sales are gonna be surplus for them! That sort of profit is something that 29 other teams can only dream of lol.

  • Yusaf

    This laker team I worry. Very big egos on this team. Also, very much expect. This Mike Brown coach, he seems weak to manage such. I must go now.

  • retloc

    And it doesn’t even matter. The illusion of money will always be on their side at the end of the day. If we understand that the wholle concept of money was invented in order to place people in a caste, we know that their tax bill is irrelevant. Classissism at its finest in a convoluted fashion. The have and have nots; a micro version of the macro-universe.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if only we weren’t just talking about financial obligations of an NBA basketball team…..that would have been relevant.

  • retloc

    I can’t see how its not relevant. The lakers have and always will have enough to pay their bills, no matter how outlandish they become. It may have been a roundabout way of saying that, but that’s the point. They need not worry about tax burdens.

  • retloc

    I guess I have a hard time not seeing everything as connected, so get off point pretty easy, I do get a kick out of you keeping me headed in the right direction though. Focus focus focus this is only a basketball website, not real life.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The Lakers have had to address issues with finances before. They are just a very well run business, so they don’t make decisions that will lose them money in the end. I wasn’t trying to be a dick or anything, just that your comment applies to the normal world, not really the basketball one. If LA doesn’t win a title, or their players don’t mesh, they won’t waste their money paying for something that won’t happen.
    - After the 04 season for Example, the Lakers had to resign Kobe & Shaq within a year of one another. After each player was extended the Lakers would be playing just those 2 players 45(ish) million dollars – taking up the vast majority of the Salary Cap. Which is the MAIN reason Shaq was traded. Despite the story the media peddled off.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    who gets the money that a team pays when they are over the cap?

  • zogs19994

    ITS ALL OBAMAS FAULT!!!!

  • zogs19994

    ^^btw this is a joke, so dont reply with your view on politics.

  • retloc

    I understand that aspect of it, but the lakers, or more specifically the busses are in a universe where the rich stay rich. Have you ever heard of someone securing a 200 million dollar personal loan? That is the world they live in. And the lakers are definitey in the elite ruling class of the nba. That’s the point I was makking. No matter how smart of decisions the bobcats make they will never attain that level of success. I was merely alluding to the fact that the nba is our society, or the entire world on a smaller scale. The financial end is the exact same there as it is in the rest of the world. Haves and have nots, only broken down into three classes (sound familiar?)ruling(multiple champs), middle (first round exits) low (lottery). Just now many teams have won it all again? And how many have won a grip?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the league. it’s part of the revenue sharing program.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i am not arguing that the richest teams don’t have the most success. I am just saying, them being the richest team isn’t why they are the richest team. They are only “the Lakers” or “the Yankees of the NBA” because of their Location. Not because Jerry Buss is their owner, or because the rich get richer.
    .
    In the NBA, it’s, location, location, location. That’s the difference between the NBA and the real world.

  • retloc

    How is that not the exact same as in the real world? I live in montana and can’t make a liveable wage so im sitting in camp in bumfuck alaska-where the money is.

  • retloc

    If you have a job where the pay doesn’t vary depending on where you are at you’re the only one in the world bud. Price of living varies not only state to state, but town to town, and yes also country to country. This is why I’ve usually refrained from commenting even though I’ve been reading slamonline for three years or so. I can’t help go go on nonsensical rants trying to connect the entire universe, because to me it is. One organism trying to survive by killing itself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    dude, there is a higher % of people below the poverty line in LA then there are in Montana. Get it?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Pay varies based on cost of living. It doesn’t vary based on location. You don’t get paid more as a landscaper in LA than you would as a landscaper in Montana, compared to the cost of living.

  • retloc

    And yet when I work for the same company in pennsylvania doing the same job I get paid less, and they don’t provide my food. In alaska they pay me more to do actually less work. The cost for me to live in pennsylvania is higher but my wage is less for the exact same job, so im going to have to respectfully disagree. Montanas average salary off the top of my head is in the 17-20 thou a year range. We do have less poverty, because our economy is more sustainable. We still produce actual consumable goods, which la, because of its size cannot do.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You are in Alaska. If they don’t pay you more, you won’t live there. I mean, you using Alaska to defend your point that better markets = more money is killing your argument, you realize that right? My point was and has been, in the NBA, the better your location the more money you make, unlike the real world. And you are giving a glaring example of that.

  • retloc

    There are more people that have become disillusioned in la. If I lived in a box in a box id be even heavier into the self loathing as I already am. Well, my waves just waved goodbye to manic so imma get some rest and hope depressed isn’t on the plate for the rest of the day. Knowing everything emanating from my being is a futile attempt to connect and heal the organism takes its toll. I don’t understand how to numb it. Have a good day nbk, I quite enjoyed having a somewhat stimulating conversation to go along with my bukowski in bed this morning. I have a rather fatalistic perception of life{the multi-verse} so I love getting someone ellses view. I can’t help but see the end result. The middle has never existed.

  • Redd

    Romney is the one who is for big business!

  • Redd

    And Jordan’s Chicago Bulls have been the greatest team ever and still will be!

  • hyperactive
  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    people are disillusioned everywhere. you just gotta accept that everyone is on a different path to the same place. once you do that, everything will be easier. Roll with the punches, because they are inevitable. Life is easier once you just accept that you can’t even hope to control it. Good luck, and have a good one bruh.

  • LakeShow

    No.

  • LakeShow

    Bye bye.

  • Dagger

    Obviously the basketball “world” is also part of the economics of capitalism, aka the “normal world” . . . .

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh ok, thank you for clarifying. did you really need to write this? Like anyone actually thinks the NBA is in a different reality? The way the economics work is different. Which is also obvious. Unless you really need someone to explain to you the difference between the NBA salary structure and traditional capitalism. (max contracts, revenue sharing, etc.)

  • retloc

    I don’t pay a dime to I’ve in alaska housing and food are provided by the company, as well as the flights here, in pennsylvania I get ess money and have to provide my own food, so how exactly is that a glaring example? I live in montana. I know people are disillusioned everywhere, I was trying to say that its easier to give up when you look around and everything is man made nonsense. Creating jobs with no purpose except to make people feell like they are worthwhile members of society. There is no urban blight in montana, los angeles population alone is like ten times greater than the whole state. Plus in montana rather than live in poverty we kill ourselllves. I know for me personallly the only thing that gets me through some days is nature, not having that around to remind you that there’s more to life than the rent to me at least would make it easier to disconnect.

  • retloc

    Also tell someone in detroit location doesn’t matter in the real world. Or san salvador. I mean are you seriously saying that location doesn’t affect income? The better the location the better the income is a universal truth my man. That’s why there are slums and there are ritzy neighborhoods. You can’t go to the ghetto in la and get a badass high paying job, but you can go to the nice areas and get one-follow? In any case at the end of the day I feel none of it makes a difference, if you join society and get a job you enslave yourself I happen to work in the
    Gas and oil industry so I feel I help enslave the rest of the world as well, but that’s a different rant entirely.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    are you high? the conversation is about economics and the difference between the NBA and normal life. You get more benefits to live in a remote place like Alaska in real life, while in the NBA you get more benefits to do a job in a bigger market. I am not discussing which place is more depressing to live (which should, logically, only depend on the person, The Suicide Rate is irrelevant, considering the vast difference in locale & culture). You keep just reiterating what i’m saying by pointing out it is more beneficial for you do the same job and live in Alaska which is a “worse market” than to do that same job and live in Pennsylvania. Which is the exact opposite of how it works in the NBA.

  • retloc

    That’s kind of whta I was trying to get at, I wish I lived in a world where some things are real and some aren’t. I guess I get it in my head that my time in these camps aren’t “real” my life at home is though. Even though im here more than there ha. For some reason I feel like I create my reality more here than at home and control peoples perception of me more. Which is baseless im the same onlly I embrace different aspects of myself to get through the day here. Mostly the manic side,whereas at home I tend to let the depressed win the battle. Basketball is llife,as is everything else.

  • retloc

    Llaws against monopolies welfare etc {in case you didn’t make the leap yourself} salary cap and revenue sharing. Paying taxes is sharing revenue

  • retloc

    Also sorry my l and k don’t work right if a word looks funny its prob either missing one of those or has too many

  • retloc

    Oh yeah and that’s working for the clippers how? Location plays a role, but don’t overlook the caste system

  • shutup

    Oh, I see were the disconnect happened, for a second seemed like you guys were arguing the same point, but Retloc is arguing location does determine wage but NBK is arguing bigger cities= more team money. Although a lawyer in NY at the top of his profession will make more than a lawyer at the top of his profession in lets say Montana. Location will always play a major factor in wages, but the factor the location playes differs, Alaska has harsher climates and more danger but it also has more natural resources, most sports team need a large fan base of a major city to stay above the curve, but there are small market examples that buck that trend, Greenbay of the NFL is the first one that comes to mind.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you don’t get it. I am not talking about the difference in job opportunities. Ofcourse there are better jobs in bigger cities, that’s obvious. Those jobs also include higher competition (meaning you get paid less than you would somewhere where they don’t have 85 people lined up to do the job). You can’t just walk to LA and get a nice job and buy a nice house. If you have a very unique skillset, sure LA is definitely going to earn you a better lifestyle, a more expensive one too. For the average person, it is more beneficial for them to live in a place that NEEDS their Skills then it is for them to live in a place that has multiple people trying to get a job. Hence, you having more benefits in Alaska than in Pennsylvania. Just read what i’m saying.

  • retloc

    I did specifically say it cost me more to be in pa too, glossing over that fact definitely enhances your arguement.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you are obviously ignorant. The Clippers are, and have been, one of the top 5 most profitable franchises in the NBA since their expansion season. Despite the losing. If winning isn’t a priority, the Clippers is one of the best organizations to play for in the whole NBA. Why they don’t win, is directly linked to Donald Sterling. You need to do some semblance research, this is elementary basketball information.

  • shutup

    Don’t know if I helped at all but, the idea that Alaska is a worse market than Pennsylvania for gas and oil production is the reason you guys arent seeing eye to eye.

  • retloc

    I prefer being in alaska though so how does that factor in? How is it a worse market when my job is the exact same, and my life is the exact same? And did this really need to come down to questioning my mindstate? I could ask you if you are mentally retarded, does that somehow make my arguement more valid? I do the exact same thing whether im in pa or ak I stay in the same environments. Either way im away from my wife and kid, also you saying me being paid more to stay in a worse market is making my point, notyours, I was the one arguing that pay varies depending on location in the real world too.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it cost you more to live in PA because they pay for everything for you in Alaska. It is definitely more expensive to live the same life in Alaska as you would in PA. I know this for a fact. As I have friends who are from Alaska, and have friends who moved to (and since moved back). All of which complain about the cost of living (in terms of their normal luxuries) in Alaska, compared to in the states. Which makes sense, considering truck routes, and other overhead costs that involve getting goods and services in such a remote location.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this guy doesn’t understand the difference between a “good market” and “bad market” – the disconnect here is common sense.

  • retloc

    Yeah bud I am, obviously at this point the differences in our views are widening, you live in a world where everything is unto itself I live in one where everything is oneness. I don’t have a problem with your viewpoint, nor do I think its wrong, I disagree, but I don’t think its wrong. If that’s your perception that’s your reality. Mines different. You can’t get everyone to think like you, and I can’t get anybody to think like me it seems. I would be insulted if it wasn’t laughablle that we’re having this discussion on a bball website. Oh that and the fact im “super high”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Are you fucking with me?
    .You get more benefits to live in a remote place like Alaska in real life, while in the NBA you get more benefits to do a job in a bigger market.
    -(Hence, you make more money in Alaska, then you do in Pennsylvania, coupled with your company paying for everything)
    .When in the NBA, you live in a big market, you get paid typically, a higher average salary, while also benefitting from increased revenue related opportunities. The Cost of Living not being as much of a factor, because again, you are in the NBA.
    .When in the Real World, you make more money doing the same job in a bigger city, but it is directly related to cost of living,
    - Rather than being paid more (like the NBA) being related to the Market, and your company making a higher profit because of it.
    .
    .Competition dictates pay, in the NBA the better the player the more they get paid, and the more likely they are to get paid the better money in a bigger market, because that market makes MORE MONEY.
    .Competition dictates pay, in the Real World (or America i should say) in the exact opposite way. In a bigger market there is more competition, so there is a person willing to do the same labor for less money (in relation to cost of living), while in contrast, you are offered more money (in relation to cost of living) in a small market (Alaska) to do the same job that you would be doing in a place of higher competition (Pennsylvania).
    -Now ofcourse there are jobs that require the very best, that offer an extreme amount of money compared to a smaller market (like a Marketing company for example) – like Marketing. But this is an extremely small portion of the population. You can’t compare a job & pay that one in 1,000,000 people may have to the majority of the job market, that’s a logical fallacy.
    .
    And I asked you if you were high, because this concept is very easy to understand.

  • retloc

    Yes I am ignorant as to the financial aspects of nba teams. However I can keep things civil, which is something you appear to lack. I get that you know everything and im pretty much subhuman beating my head against a wall, give it a rest. If you can’t engage in a discussion without caling people names it makes you look ignorant. Funny how that works

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    calling someone ignorant is not an insult. It’s an observation. I mean I understand how you can take it as an insult, but it is really no different than me saying “you don’t know what you’re talking about” – obviously, you are sensitive to that, so i apologize for offending you.

  • retloc

    That and thhe fact that I live in montana and would rather be in alaska than pennsylvania because its more similar. Which goes for most the guys I work with. The rea mroney is in the canada work though so who knows. Obviously im ignorant and have no common sense so my opinion is meaningless. Which it is in the greater schheme of things I guess.

  • retloc

    Nbks arguing that he knows my life better than I do. As well as anything else. It drives hhim crazy that everyone here doesn’t acknowledge his superior intellect. I’ve never been called ignorant in my life actuallly, who knew it only took one conversation with a pseudo-intellectual for me to finally realize that I may have a learning disability. Who knew, besides nbk of course

  • retloc

    And for the record alaska and north dakota are the best markets for oil and gas nbk. Just thought id toss that out there. Where the work is creates the market.

  • Chronicle

    but NBK retloc’s was only one example,in the NBA,a lot of top free agents get to to be offered a lot of money from various(including smaller market) teams. Only the players logically would choose the bigger market teams but not the case in point for lebron,bosh and even wade when they decided to join forces right last 2010 right..?its a better location(Miami), but the bigger perks being offered that they didnt take lied elsewhere.

  • retloc

    Yes it is an insult, I however am not realy sensitive to it, I have no idea who you are and never will. In my experience resorting to caling people names shows an inability to control. I mean you are making my weather day go by way faster, I just think it takes away from your arguement when you feel the need to put me down. Are you high? He’s obviously ignorant, and he has no common sense are all most definitely meant to demean me. We’re all one putting me down to lift yourself up doesn’t get you anywhere. Its just negativity and its not needed. I try to reside on the positive side.

  • retloc

    How many people have you called ignorant to their face, compared to online?

  • retloc

    And we obviously differ on preferred lifestyle.

  • Brutus

    it’s not always the case for both NBA and the real world. Scottie Pippen and MJ werent paid big money earlier in their careers.Even when they started to win chips. MJ earned his through endorsements. ANd Chicago didnt have too much to do with that. Scottie though is now broke just like some other retirees.And thier location in real life after NBA didnt have to do much of anything for that. Also,in the real world,esp.after global recession started by America, a lot of jobs has shifted overseas. Mostly to China. I woulndt say its that a bad location..but i woulnt give my balls to relocate their if offered a job and i dont think they’d offer much anyway since them being ultra cheap is the only reason labor has shifted there. And yet they have now surpassed US in economy.its an unfavorable location with its population problem and low wages and yet it’s business is thriving. I wonder why is that

  • retloc

    We hire new guys at the same pay in either location. And my job is one in a million, currently there are less than three hundred people in north america doing what I do, so I guess I don’t get it. There are very few people in my parents hometown looking for work, not a saturated job market. The starting wages there are less than 10 an hour for almost everything. I see your point you just can’t seem to see mine

  • Chronicle

    Why what’s the difference? Can you put that in bullets so it would be easier for you to discuss.

  • Brutus

    Your most certainly right about being in a good location in the NBA helps a team more to earn but you can’t say this is the main factor by stressing it 3 times and saying its the main difference between the real world. I think it has more to do with those on top governing like Stern and his machinations feeding that fact when he awarded Gasol and making it not happen when he vetoed that Paul trade just because it was a conflict of his interest. It’s not just all about location, i think it is because Stern WANTS it to happen. Look at knicks. They suck.There’s not too much report going about for the past decade about thier losses by the media? Why do you think this is? Just location? Capitalism works as long as there are capitalists and there are willing victims.

  • Brutus

    Very true. best example is the team that shares thier own turf. Why has it not reached the same succes as it’s sister team? is it still all about location. let’s see how Brooklyn will fare since the Knicks being in a good location, has sucked for the better part of the decade.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    seeing your point, and it being relevant to the discussion we are having, are different.

  • Brutus

    And since you claim to be good at research, why don’t you support that claim by just putting the link here to where that information about the Clippers being profitable. Because I can’t seem to fathom that a team that Sucked that much is still being watched by a majority of LA fans rather than the Lakers. I think it says a lot about the fans being ignorant then rather than most people commenting here. I mean thats atleast 18,000 people for 41 games.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    when we are talking about a “market” as a blanket statement, we aren’t talking about a city with a job market here or there. A “big/good market” in this discussion, which should still revolve around the original topic that started the conversation, (comparing the NBA to real life), a big/good market is a place with a big population + multiple job markets + urban areas + media opportunities.
    .
    - Alaska is a good market for Oil, and Fishing. Which is nice to about .005% of the population.
    - So, In turn, Alaska as a whole, is a “small/bad” market in the grand scheme.
    - You are offered more money/benefits in Alaska because, it is a “small/bad” market and your job has little to no competition.
    .
    - Just because something applies to you personally, doesn’t mean it applies to the majority of people. And when you are talking about population and market, the majority are who matter.
    .

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LeBron, Dwyane, & Bosh came together for winning. Not money. = Unrelated.
    .
    If a player chooses a small market over a big market that is a personal choice, if they are offered the same* money from both, it is plainly obvious they will personally make more money in the bigger market. As they will have more external revenue opportunities.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ofcourse Stern wants the big markets to be the most successful. The big markets make the most money.
    .
    Each team is a business, if their management is bad, their team will be bad. Teams in big markets do however, have an advantage, as they attract more players, because of the increased marketability (in other words, money making opportunities).
    .
    The Knicks don’t get bad press because the majority of media is located in New York. Where they have New York Knicks fans. Talking shit about the Knicks is no way to get readers in the Knicks city. Direct correlation.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if my honesty is demeaning then sure. I mean you can take my statements out of context and act like i just said them to insult you, that’s fine with me. That doesn’t mean it’s true though.
    - I said you were ignorant because you didn’t know what you were talking about. It’s not an insult, it’s an adjective, meaning, simply, “lacking knowledge or awareness”
    -I asked if you were high because you seemed like you couldn’t to stay on topic.
    -I said you lacked common sense because i literally (still) think it is common sense to understand the difference between a good/big market and bad/small when the discussion is related to the NBA.
    . Sorry that you took offense. I am just honest.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    a lot.

  • 3@R!>!<N0KL1f3E@+Dr!c#

    i agree in the considerable amount of time i have frequent this site and i have ID’ed nbk as that kind of person who resorts to calling names or labelling people. He also seems to get off by correcting people first and baiting them into arguements. His last card will always be allegedly stating facts to back up his point but for the most part has not given an exact link to it. He has even done that to AllenP a lot of times.He just simply states if off to you as “it is just easy as googling it”.Which most of the time,half the people may never do since I’d think they won’t care for the most part. I will give an example later on but i like this guy to comment first. He usually starts off by picking his arguements(this nbk guy) He comments by correcting something of your opinion and gets/baits you to respond. He only chooses the one he finds easier to defend. Every time you reply he’s focuses his response on a narrowing point leading to support his arguement, the one which he has chose easier to defend. Also if you provide an example, in which case more people here are to lazy to check, he will use that against you in the most close-minded way in which he will make sure you would think there’s no other possible means to exemplify it further. Amazing this guy. Its like he’s a frustated debater dropped out from his college team. He always want to argue and call you ignorant,crazy,delusioned and other mentally-demeaning words. Its like this site was made only for him or he wants to run for congress here.I wonder what this guy really looks like and what he does or done to him in the real world in a consistent basis. I wonder what his boss,college prof,his own father,mother,girlfriend,buddy did to him to make him come off as trying hard to be supreme in this site.

  • #@R!>!<N0KL1f3E@+Dr!c#

    Can you prove that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I never said the majority of LA fans/residents watch the Clippers. But LA is a HUGE market, they don’t need even close to the % of the population that a normal team in an average market needs – http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/32/basketball-valuations-11_Los-Angeles-Clippers_322952.html
    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/32/basketball-values-09_Los-Angeles-Clippers_322952.html

    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/32/nba08_Los-Angeles-Clippers_322952.html

    - if you have trouble reading that let me know. don’t confuse team value with profits.
    - You can read the Skinny on each page if you need a recap.
    .
    The team profits, regularly. And more than most teams. Their owner is just cheap. So they don’t do it like a normal competitive franchise would.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ofcourse. but then again, you’d have to talk to people that know me. so no, i can’t prove it to you. but yes, i can prove it in general.

  • Lugo

    What’s classissism? No jokes, just want to know.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you know ignorant isn’t a state of being right? ignorant describes what you know about the one subject we were talking about.
    .
    it is not an insult. the fact that you keep on typing that i called you ignorant like it explains your state of being at all times tells me you are ignorant about what ignorant even is.
    .
    To clarify, you aren’t an ignorant person, as i obviously don’t know you. But you are ignorant about (at least) the Clippers and how their revenue/profits shake up and you are also ignorant about what it means when someone says you are ignorant. Nothing more.

  • retloc

    I didn’t take offense I was entertained, the reason I can’t stay on topic is because my mind is always racing from one tangent to the next. I do have a hard time staying focused, whether its because im naturally hyperactive or bipolar manicdepressive is neither here nor there. I was merely trying to communicate to you that insulting to win is an insult to yourself. If you were honest you would own your actions for what they were, meant to demean me and validate you. That’s fine by me, am not offended in the slightest, im secure in my self percepption for the most part and understand that me allowing someone else to do anything to me is ridicuous. What you said reflected on you poorly and didn’t hep make your point. I was ignorant about the clippers, point taken.

  • Dagger

    Evidently you needed some clarification. You’re the one who said those words. There are also revenue sharing systems in the “real world.” They’re called taxes. Governments (and some other organizations) are the middle men between the most exploitative structures of capitalism and the public. Governmental oversight is increasingly broken in today’s increasingly globalized, hyper-capitalist economies. In a similar way, the mechanisms the NBA uses to dampen the inequalities of its league are simply not working. The Lakers are a great example of that.

    Not sure where your anger is coming from. The beauty of Slam is that there aren’t many trolls and people can have a decent debate without resorting to that kind of immaturity.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL whatever you want to believe. If i wanted to insult you i would have called you an idiot and been done with it. but i didn’t. Because i wasn’t insulting you.

  • Chronicle

    So you saying all that doesnt apply to NBA economics wise? Why is it that Nba is different from capitalism in the real world. How does it not apply the same to the dynamics between the relationship of owner to employee from the nba to into the real world? What are the aspects involved that you say it’s totally different?

  • Dagger

    Location . . . and the strength of your brand. And the ability/willingness of your owner to exceed the salary cap. Which requires wealth. Welcome back to the real world.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Capitalism in the real word doesn’t involve a cap on your max salary. It doesn’t include a blanket draft that gives you no say in where you work. It doesn’t include any guarantees incase you are injured. There are a myriad of differences between the NBA and our Capitalistic economy. That’s the whole entire purpose of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

  • Dagger

    There’s a huge difference between saying that someone is ignorant – period – and saying that someone is ignorant about something.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i am aware. i never said he was an ignorant person.

  • retloc

    The idea that people beong to different classes, ie the way the world is set up

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    4. What is the Collective Bargaining Agreement?
    It’s the legal contract between the league and the players association that sets up the rules by which the league operates. (It’s commonly abbreviated as “CBA,” which is not to be confused with either the Chinese Basketball Association or the Continental Basketball Association. The abbreviation CBA will be used in the remainder of this document.)
    The CBA defines the salary cap, the procedures for determining how it is set, the minimum and maximum salaries, the rules for trades, the procedures for the NBA draft, and hundreds of other things that need to be defined in order for a league like the NBA to function.
    The CBA also prevents the NBA from being in violation of federal antitrust laws. Many of the league’s practices (such as the salary cap and draft) would violate antitrust laws were they not agreed to via collective bargaining (see question number

  • Chronicle

    Did you just say on this website that you are mentally-ill?
    other than that im seeing your point clearly except that part that indeed you trail off about your emotions or thoughts. lot of people here dont have to listen to that dude.=) this is still a bball site u know. if you’re the better guy than nbk then you should just try to stay on point regardless if he’s demeaning. again, you personal issues..should just remain personal imo.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh and i’m not angry. just blunt.

  • Dagger

    Are you serious? So cost of living is the only variable here? You realize wages aren’t just magically set, right? They’re a product of negotiation and profit-making economic structures. For example: you can have an especially strong union in one place, and the wages will be higher than they are in another place despite the cost of living being lower. Another example: you can have a shortage of labour in one place and an abundance of labour in another place, so not only will capital in that first location want to offer higher wages to attract new workers, but labour will be in a better position to negotiate higher wages (or leave). I could go on.

  • hardknocklifeeatdrich

    in the place where i came from if you call people names regularly to thier faces then you’d most of the time get one too. I presume your that kind of guy that has no problem getting on with other dudes most of time then..? that is if people that do know you are mostly true men most of the time,eh?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    calling a person ignorant is not calling them a name like calling someone stupid is. if someone gets offended when i say they are ignorant about something i simply explain what i’m saying. just like i am doing here. really no difference.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Dagger, i realize there are situations that differ from the norm. We aren’t speaking on a case by case basis. This started as a conversation about general wages & circumstances. “retloc” admittedly can’t stay on subject enough to keep things consistent. this shit is muddled. i am perfectly aware that there are various situations that change circumstances, but in general, you are going to make the same amount in relation to the cost of living in one place as you are in another assuming an average job – as we are comparing it to playing basketball in the NBA, which is obviously, the average job.

  • Dagger

    You’re missing the point. Which is: there is no such thing as unbridled capitalism in our world. It’s always mediated by something. That mediation is always imperfect. So capitalist structures will continue to breed inequality. In the NBA, and in your “real world.” Now my dicking around on a basketball website is bleeding into my work, so I’ll call it quits on this debate.

  • Brutus

    i dont have a problem understanding it.but still the point that other guy made that you argued with still made a lot sense for me that NBA still a captalist world and it’s frame is no way different than in the real world. Billionaires enter an agreement if they know they would lose money,they are not that crazy,even sterling who sucks still stays in this business since its profitable for him. compared to toher onwers he just got the better end of the deal as he said,keeping his fixed cost low know he’s in a big market.But it’s still capitalism. I didnt find anything wrong about what retloc said except where he veered off a bit. in case boht of you have good pints so i dont understand why you wanna argue with him?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m missing my own point? you realize you are responding TOO ME right? MY POINT was and is, it’s not because the Lakers have money that they are able to continually be successful as retloc originally hypothesized (guessed/said/thinks/whatever). It’s because of their location and smart business decisions. If I was the poorest person on earth and was just handed the Lakers and got to keep their front office, I would make a profit. It would have absolutely nothing to do with “The illusion of money will always be on their side at the end of the day. If we understand that the wholle concept of money was invented in order to place people in a caste, we know that their tax bill is irrelevant. Classissism at its finest in a convoluted fashion.” – if the Lakers were run poorly by the richest man ever, they would lose money. As he was arguing that just because they are the Lakers, they will make money, no matter how much they spend — because “money is an illusion”
    .
    My point that the NBA is “outside the normal world” meant, plainly, having something doesn’t mean you will continue to have it. as there are rules in place (the collective bargaining agreement) that, in the “normal world” would be illegal, that enable teams to overtake others that are “haves” rather than keeping the “have nots” down.

  • Brutus

    my friend nbk,you are an exact definition of a cyber bully. You’re not trying to be honest. You’re trying to be superior…And you know what they say about bullies at school..they’re the ones getting bullied outside of it so they do the same to those they can do it to.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, ok buddy. If me explaining everything i said completely logically tells you that, then what else is there to do? Demand your cyber lunch money?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The Collective Bargaining Agreement is the System the NBA business operates under. It resembles Capatilism (
    An economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit ), but that doesn’t mean that’s what it is – as Owner’s have an equal say in profit and trade as it’s employees do. I mean the whole damn purpose of the CBA is to expunge the NBA from our normal economic system.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i am not calling people names. if i tell someone they are ignorant, it is related to a subject. the majority of the time, the people i’m describing as ignorant are my friends, who are talking to me about a subject they don’t understand.
    .
    i describe MYSELF as ignorant regularly. I’ve done it on this website. If I don’t understand something, and need someone to explain it to me, I will say, ” I am ignorant as to (whatever the subject matter) can you please explain” – and I am sure not insulting myself by saying that, I’m being honest.

  • retloc

    I just thought it came off as an insult. Like I say our perceptions definitely differ I don’t agree with yours, but didn’t feel like it would have helped make my point about location and pay to say it was an ignorant one, which I happen to think it does. And the point you’re trying to make is as ever evolving as mine.

  • Chronicle

    It is related,because in the real world. you just don’t make employment and even business decisions on money alone. In the NBA that example was made recently by Steve Nash. He could have chosen NY, how is that market different from LA..? in terms of money? You’re the one who tried correcting retloc on his opinion and try to force YOUR OWN opinion. Why does your opinion only matter? Your premise only the fact? Do you have delusions of grandeur over this site. Now you’re trying to be Tony Stark. Why do you have to think for retloc? Why is he wrong? ANd you’re right? Your pathetic. Go back to your work now or NBA may not rescue you from your real world. hehe

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    what i said you were ignorant about was the Clippers. That is it. (well and then later about what being called Ignorant about a subject means)

  • Brutus

    ah very well said. finally, a clear mind that does not mean to discord but intends, honestly, to enlighten.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it’s unrelated because it has nothing to do with this conversation. we aren’t talking about why players choose one place over another. We are talking about why big markets in the NBA yield more money, compared to in the real world.
    .
    But it’s cute that you want to defend @retloc:disqus is he not doing a good enough job responding to me? talk about delusions of grandeur, does you defending him set me straight or something? are you batman, ridding the world of the joker? (see how asking stupid questions does nothing?)
    .
    I never told Retloc how to think, and I only argued about factual information (in the context of our conversation). is your issue with my argumentative nature? or are you just mad because i said one of your points is irrelevant?
    .
    oh and how does you telling me about my own comments and defining them yourself, and then calling me “pathetic” make you any better than me? that seems a little hypocritical. just a little.

  • Chronicle

    the fact is, have yoo tried your best to resolve where your “disagreement” lied. You didnt agree to his so you tried to stress your own which you mean only for you to understand because it was written with so much mal intent as to ‘”try” to intellectually” demean the other person so you “seem” to come out as the “superior” when you just build entirely on your own premise. You just try to expand your arguement by trying to solidify your points. You had no point to reconcile. How is it that you expect people to want to understand you? it was very clear from the start you just wanted to teach a lesson your way. Your ways are not enlightening. Yours incite aggression and hate.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Why do you keep responding to me in different locations? You don’t like my response in one place, so you jump to another and try and incite a different retort? is that how this works?
    .
    I explained what I said to retloc, to retloc. If you are confused about any of it, you can find an explanation somewhere in these comments.
    .
    And again, you judging me and telling me your opinion of my comments doesn’t prove your point, it just makes what your saying look very hypocritical. that’s the fact.

  • Brutus

    the problem with you nbk is that your opinion seems to be the only thing that is a fact, for you. when you are not even in the position that retloc is in. Presumably,you are not in the same background in terrms of (total and varied)work experience, industry and the various skills that you have learned along the way. So when you say generally, you speak of your own experiences and background which is obviously i must say, general business,while the other guy might be an engineering grad and is an oil driller and thinks of as more of an employee while you have the ambitions of becoming a Buffett,Stern or Sterling someday.So you think, differently, your “in general” would based where your interests lie..money and fame.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    HA! Is that your opinion or is that a fact?

  • Chronicle

    Do you realize NBk that the market that retloc is talking about differs from the market you are currently oriented in and that has been what he’s trying to say etc. while you go off with your rant about your own knowledge of what a market is? when you drill for oil or sell or whatever you dont consider the media or it may not be dependent that much on job market size or population as it has other distribution networks for it’s intended market. All the while i understand retloc was trying to connect HIS real world which maybe totally different from yours with NBA the same way as a guy who lives in africa in the middle of the savannah gets a dish and sees nba regularly may relate his own life with the dynamics of nba.Meanwhile, I do understand that your also correct in your own part of the world of how the NBA is shit etc..

  • waffles

    lol

  • roscoe

    it is only money

  • Chronicle

    the thing is this arguement bet you 2 started or shuold i say 1 is because retloc more of like laid out a complain about capitalism being the prevalent in the NBA and how by in his own realization, think, how he feels it pathetically connects with his own situation. remeber, the saying that said,” a man’s view on his world reflects more on himself rather than..”etc. then nbk being all technical,swoop down on his prey and stood to correct him that he was wrong on his views that NBA actually works differently in which case he has a strong point (as he laid out)only he didnt get why retloc made that comment in the 1st place. I hope im right but i think retloc misses his family now that i read more and blames capitalism for his current plight.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    As my very first response said, his comment would hVe been completely relevant had it not been about the financial obligations of an MBA team.

  • retloc

    So boston is the greatest location ever?

  • Brutus

    whoa,man, you are something. are you a lawyer? you should be. and im sure there’s more space in that head for an economist or financial analyst. your good at your job, only you’re not a people person. My advise, if you ever needed one. to get to the top. most impt. is attitude and PR. You cant climb the mountain top by stepping on people. if they move you gonna fall. so you should refine that ego and learn to ride the waves of people. Only then you get your desired goal.

  • retloc

    This is why I typically don’t comment im a ranter, and im not mentally ill, I have focus issues. I still function fine in the greater scheme of things. Very prone to rants though

  • retloc

    I did own the ignorance, I just pointed out howw I fellt you were using it as a tool to aid you’re arguement. And at first it did seem to imply overall ignorance not just about the clippers. That’s how it read anyway.

  • retloc

    Only you just said you are ignorant. Not you are ignorant about this. Im really just killing my day on here is all though. Like I say weather day sitting in camp we have no tv and I’ve got my fill of reading books in the last few days. You made my day go by way quickker. Probably the best weather day in camp since I text battled a heroin dealing sexual deviant who ended up with my buddies phone. Not much in the way of entertainment in camp the same dudes for forty or fifty days straight those conversations get a little stale. I’ve completely enjoyed our interaction.

  • Chronicles

    “- if the Lakers were run poorly by the richest man ever, they would lose money. As he was arguing that just because they are the Lakers, they will make money, no matter how much they spend” -nbk
    I believe you also stated in the next succeeding entries that LA Cippers was still profitable despite being run poorly by a rich man in Donald Sterling not based on marketsize/location which is not of Sterling’s creation.That contradicts the point you prev. stated above. If based on running the franchise alone or as the forbes link you gave,indicates brand management alone was used as gauge.You expcet losing games would translate to lsong money.Sterling did fail.But he didnt..!!! So, this premise was indeed right,”
    “The illusion of money will always be on their side at the end of the day. ” -retloc
    Capitalism is prevalent in NBA no matter how you try to mediate it.
    Just the same in the “real world”.

  • Brutus

    No,demand that you are the only one who understands everything that is said in here and others whom you have argued with does not have plain common sense in understanding and differentiating stated facts by you, which would as any grown man would think, might translate into the real world. It would suggest your stated facts, that since everyone which you have corrected does not understand your point which is too easy,then we are imbeciles then and might not function normally in the “real world” that you call? because the way you have gone about your being blunt is something that readily implies your the only one who understands anything in here.As you argue with everyone. Anyone who states a point that you don’t agree with easily becomes your debate partner.And if he can not follow,becomes a lesser being to you. That is an intellectual bully to me.Mind you english is not my first language but i can almost see through you and in our culture,Respect in the thoughts,words and deeds is very highly regarded. If it is lost in America. I am sorry.

  • Chronicle

    Same here. ive been often told. at work. by my superior. that sometimes my imagination is too much. and i rarely listen to what they’re blabbing about and instead focus on the next idea i may invent or even just innovate from an existing one. I dont understand where you put your rants. is it just online? cause those kind of things are food to nbk. lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Actually I said the Clippers make money because Sterling is cheap and not interested in winning. I even said they are a successful franchise financially despite going about it in an untraditional way. I never once said they are run poorly from a business’s perspective. Donald Sterling is a piece of shit, but he makes money at just about everything he does from what I know. Good try tho.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I have enjoyed this conversation as well. I have no hard feelings or anything like that, I just disagreed with a few things you said, and tried to correct some stuff I got wrong. Giving article related commentary, arguing and conversing are what the comment section is for anyway, idk why so many people are surprised by the interaction
    Sent from right behind you.

  • retloc

    This is actually only the fourth time I belie e I’ve taken the rant online. I rant to coworkers friends and family mostly. Write a lot to try to put the chaos in order, but it mostly comes out as abstract poetry that is anything but ordered. I definitely don’t give posting on a bball forum enough importance to justify organizing my thoughts. Save that for when I really need it

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I hope you don’t honestly believe you are accurately judging me based on what you’ve read here. But I do appreciate what you said

  • retloc

    Il definitely assume the responsibility for this going way off topic, in camp my mind is always racing, especially in regards to money jobs etc. Finding myself a country away from my wife and son for money is a stressor, so the whole structure that I’ve willingly sold myself to seems to always be on my mind. I hope I don’t become that guy who always rants about the govt power money etc. I just have trouble not seeing how its not all related.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It’s all good much of this has been my fault. I do see how I came off as insulting, I apologize for that. As you can hopefully tell by now that was not my intent. Don’t let this encounter deter you from coming back, things are about to get even more entertaining in the next week or so

  • retloc

    If I would have read this at the time it was posted it may have saved some time. Like I said it originallly seemed to be in the context of overall. I responded with heavy sarcasm which didn’t clarify the issue at all.

  • retloc

    I always read slam pretty steadily, unless im in camp with no internet, which has happened entirelly too many times, and at home my schedule is all watching the kid, so I always read at night and the conversations usually dead by then. If you think my thoughts are scattered now you can’t imagine what a comment would look like as I drop everything every twenty seconds to chase him all over the house or yard.

  • retloc

    It is not lost, however, our society has respect issues in general. I tried to remain respectful,but human nature is to denigrate others to elevate self. All of us fall into it some time or another. And I wasn’t really trying to have a bball conversation at all, which is why I chose the topic regarding finances. In my mind I know I believe everyone is equal, but its hard to live that every day.

  • retloc

    And yes ignorance is a state of being. Well so yeah technically ignorantt is not but ignorance is

  • retloc

    Inin chronicles defense I have no idea how these comments are arranged. If you read this in a linear fashion there’s a whole different discussion taking place, at least on my phone.

  • retloc

    Someone who understands my point better than me right here. Perception plays a prominent role in what we define to be a good or bad market. I made reference to this earlier in regards to preferred lifestyle. Los angeles in no way shape or form could help me achieve my preferred lifestyle,, montana can{not so much on the job side of things}do I think that people who find that lifestyle fulfilling are wrong? No, its just not my cup of tea

  • retloc

    Imim inot blaming capitalism for my current plight,if anything im bllaming the illusion of money power and the class system of the world. But im not into the blame game im where I am because of decisions I’ve made. Made a lot of bad ones that I’ve now got to deal with. But its all on me. But my intent was to take this to a human level

  • retloc

    But but yeah missing my family is definitely playing a part in my comments. Its tough to leave them to go work for money,when your basic belief is that money is fictional. It was created to control. That was my original point. To separate the people. I bought into this though, so unless I want to lose my house and not provide the most stable environment for my son to grow up in im in it for a minute. Ii don’t feel like my job is truly helping humanity achieve harmony,actually the exact opposite, so im dumping that on all of you.. honestly, when anyone says they llove their job it blows my mind,but maybe that’s only because I cantsee myself loving any job I could imagine, outside of pro athlete or poet/musician. The ship sailed on the pro athlete and poetry doesn’t pay, music is good therapy,but im not in a situation where I can devote all my energy to it.. I have bills,and unless the montana pot laws change im going to continue doing whate er I can to provide for the fam

  • retloc

    I think of myself in terms of being a person. I don’t want to be an employee, but am. I’ve had, and currently have my own business as well, but it can be a long road to see profit. In the end I just want to be connected to people, because being open honest and having good relationships is more important than all the money in the world.

  • retloc

    Since I started the discussion I kkind of assumed most the things were relevant to what I was saying. That’s just me though.

  • Dacre

    and they all lived happily ever after. . . . ?

    For the record… the adventures of nbk make for great reading.

  • shutup

    So how does winning in a small market play in to your equation, say someone like Aaron Rodgers, or Peyton Manning to a degree, or if you just want to consider NBA players, how about a Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett in Minnesotta, both had numerous endorsement deals in “small markets”. It seems winning is the biggest factor or revenue would be the same in NY and LA. I think the use of blanket terms also leads to some discord, bigger does not always mean more populous, there is a bigger fishing market in Hawaii compared to say California. One could contend that the NBA is a direct example of capitalism, because even small market teams pay for premium talent, ie Tim Duncans 25mil or Lebron before the decision, however there is also the middle and low class players in the nba, more talented players can pick where they want to play but lesser valuable players have to get in where they fit in, how is that different from say a lawyer with a Harvard degree as to someone with a law degree from say some lil community college in Arkansas?

  • shutup

    The Knicks get blasted on the regular in the press, they also celebrate their victories but failures are just as magnified. Go back and look up the Daily News headline when Patrick Ewing missed that finger roll.

  • Caboose

    What the hell happened here??

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    - first of all the NFL system is totally different and completely promotes parity. The revenue sharing system in that league is completely even. The sport is insanely popular and the players where helmets, “marketability” within the sport is far less important. -Tim Duncan, Kevin Durant are what we like to call exceptions. Their priorities are purely about winning, when that happens with stars, it changes the game. But those are exceptions. -in terms of “middle class” and “lower class” players, the middle class still typically choose a big market over a small one, and a lot of times for less money (Ronnie Brewer signed in New York for the minimum for example). Lower class is not much different than the normal economy except the competition for a job is even higher. – there are obvious similarities to our normal economy, there are obvious similarities between any economy if you want to look for them. The league still operates under the CBA, the intent of which is to circumvent business laws that would otherwise be illegal. – I do agree about blanket terms, that misunderstanding was my fault. – and I never said small markets don’t pay a premium for talent, it’s that they can’t pay a more than double the premium for multiple talents. Typically.

  • Caboose

    The wording on that petition sounds like its from a middle schooler.

  • shutup

    Thank you now I understand your position a lot better. I still see OKC though being profitable with two max contracts and if the re-sign Harden several other large contracts, with Perkins and Ibaka.Don’t know if that applies to your aforementioned Kevin Durant exception, but I think winning has to come first for any franchise to rise to prominence, the Lakers were able to grow the way they did because they were winners before they had the big market. Granted the reason they decided to move to LA was to corner an untapped market (which at the time was unheard of), they were the NBA’s first West Coast team and the NBA’s first dynasty, they also had arguably 3 of the first NBA super stars in Mikan, Baylor and West all of whom were drafted by the team (Mikan was awarded to the team when the the PBL was disbanded and the players were distributed by make shift lottery; so hence a draft). So winning predated the big market. Now once they were established major name players got traded there (ie, Wilt and Kareem) but they still did really well in the draft (Magic, Worthy, and Kobe)(in Kobe’s case draft day trades still have ambiguity to if they were going to trade him or he stated he wouldn’t play for Charlotte first). My point being winning is paramount, the money follows the wins it doesnt matter the market. The Yankees are the Yankees because they win thats how they got to the level of being able to afford that payroll.

  • LobCity

    They actually did mention the tv deal by saying “They’re certainly not lacking in funds” and providing the link to the story on the tv deal. They’re also talking about 2014, so how much will the cap increase in 2 years? Maybe 2-3 mil? Still sounds like a big bill.
    My opinion: The money won’t change, but the players might. As long as the Lakers win championships this team will stay together, regardless of that tax bill. If they don’t, so long Pau and or Nash. You won’t be anywhere near getting under the cap, Kobe has a no-trade clause, and they ain’t trading D12. So that leaves Pau and Nash as trading chips.

  • LobCity

    Not necessarily. The collective bargaining agreement is what determines the salary cap for ___ amount of years, usually 10 if I recall correctly. So the more money the team makes over the life of that agreement, the more leverage the players have when it comes to negotiating their future pay. So since team lost money, the players are getting screwed under this new contract regardless of how much the league grows. However, if the league continuos to grow under the CBA then players will be allowed to make more under the next CBA.

  • Dacre

    I would like to add to the overall flavour of the conversation: if your coming along as an NBA fan and thinking about the clippers and their woeful history as a ball club don’t make the mistake that a lack of wins on the board season after season immediately means the team is struggling financially.position definitely has a bearing. . . Considering clippers and knicks as location and financial viability versus overall performance helps to identify this.

  • Drig

    Well…….that escalated pretty quickly……

  • majenkins

    Lobcity: The TV deal nbk is talking about and the TV deal the article is talking about are 2 different TV deals. The one in the article is the Lakers private deal for local broadcasts and nbk is talking about the NBA’s national TV deal.

  • majenkins

    Sorry but where did that “the wholle concept of money was invented in order to place people in a caste” come from? Money was invented to make trade easier not to place people in a caste, sheesh. In societies that have/had castes, people that had lots of possessions were always in a caste above those that had few or no possessions, long before they started using coins to facilitate trade.

  • Ugh

    Wikipedia says it decreased $2.2 million in ’02-’02, by $1million in ’09-’10 and has been at $58 million since ’10. The years it has increased there have been raises of as little as $100 thousand and several of only half a million, which are irrelevant in terms of the Lakers tax bill.

  • pposse

    NBA players are the most selfish athletes of them all..for the most part they will always go to the bigger market for the opportunity to get more money. NFL athletes have character values that are unheard of in the modern day NBA athlete.

  • LobCity

    Thanks for the clarification. Although that deal won’t affect the salary cap until the next CBA.

  • Conor

    The ’87 Lakers are the greatest team in the N.B.A.’s history.

  • sickkaluffa24

    F*ck the price on the tag. Just throw it in the bag. GOWarriors.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes it will. the salary cap is directly set based on revenue. if the league revenue goes up, so does the salary cap.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that is just completely false. the salary cap is set on a year by year basis, based solely on revenue.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    typically the growth is smaller. i forgot about 02, as that was after the first lockout and the league had to do correcting. What has gone up every year is average player salary. My bad.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • Lugo

    I believe you meant classism then?

  • roscoe

    I thought it was called a cast system.

  • roscoe

    that is “basketball related” revenue if we are crossing the “T’s” & dotting the “I’s”

  • roscoe

    Did you know the owner of the clippers has a higher net worth than the owner of the lakers? this has been stated mutliple times in the LA media, I believe the LA times reporters beat this drum.
    Most LA NBA fans have no idea. Not that it necessarily matters, but is interesting if true.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Are you my comrade?

  • Redd

    Lol.

  • Redd

    They went 73-9? Didn’t know that. THANKS!

  • LobCity

    ok, by how much? Not much of that projected 94 mil

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    What do you mean, “by how much” – I just said its based on revenue. To be more exact, projected basketball related revenue.

  • iceman

    actually they are the lakeshow and the yank’s because of Buss and Steinbrener, the yanks were a dog team when Stienbrener first took ownership and the clips live in the same dam city played in the same arena yet they use to suck for years and even though they were in La nobody wanted to play for them, not saying local and market don’t play a role, they absolutely do,i’m just saying the lakeshow and the yanks aren’t who we know them to be without the business acumen of a Dr. Buss or Mr. Steinbrener, imagine now for a moment if Dr. Buss bought the Clippers and Sterling the Lakers the clips would have fought for chips while the Lakers fought for an above .500 season, a name means nothing until you have someone or someone’s to make it have meaning, and only then do u have a brand.

  • Drig

    The majority owner of the Clips has a higher net worth than the majority owner of the Lakers. Net worth of all the LAL owners combined vs those of the Clips: LAL blows LAC off the map. Infact, one of those LAL owners is planning to buy Staples Center………Does anyone know if that would void any previous contract the Clips have to play at Staples??? Because that would mean there’s a chance of the Clips not having a stadium to play in Los Angeles….

  • pposse

    never in a million trillion years is that true

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean if you continue to read you can see that i said the Clippers aren’t after winning. Players like to play there, when they are trying to win. – Hence them signing free agents. — I wasn’t at all saying only location matters in the NBA, just that location is the biggest factor in success. — If you need me to prove that too you, then fine, count the number of NBA team’s who have won a title, and count how many come from a small market & big market. — The glaring difference should be proof enough that location is the first and foremost important thing for an NBA team to be consistently successful. – ALL TEAMS, need good management. ALL of them.

  • msrita

    Why is this news Lakers have always did this so they can win Championships

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