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Saturday, October 27th, 2012 at 11:33 pm  |  241 responses

James Harden Traded to Houston Rockets


Well, that ends the James Harden-OKC Thunder max contract drama. The Thunder have shipped Harden to the Houston Rockets in exchange for Jeremy Lamb, Kevin Martin and future Draft considerations. Yahoo! has the report: “The Oklahoma City Thunder have traded  James Harden to the Houston Rockets after they were unable to agree to a contract extension with the star guard, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. The Rockets sent Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder for Harden, sources told Y! Sports. Along with Harden, the Thunder will send Cole Aldridge, Lazar Hayward and Daequan Cook to the Rockets. Houston also sent two 2013 first-round picks (from Dallas and Toronto) to Oklahoma City, sources told Y! Sports, as well as a 2013 second-round pick (via Charlotte). The first-round picks have varying degrees of protection on them, but the one from Toronto is assured of being in the lottery whenever it is relayed to the Thunder. Contract extension talks between the Thunder and Harden broke down, and Thunder general manger Sam Presti moved quickly to trade the guard. Harden rejected a four-year offer that would have paid him a base salary of $53 million to $54 million, league sources said. That offer would have pushed OKC’s payroll to $95 million, and Thunder officials weren’t willing to go any higher.”

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  • Mr_Beans_o_o

    Welp.

    They had a good thing going in OKC, you would think he’d wanna stay.

    Maybe KD and Little Foot were getting too much shine?

    Harden wanted to go elsewhere to be a star.

  • Hart26

    What a shocker, LAL off-season keeps getting better

  • Junior Taylor

    It’s a cole world, better bundle up. That makes the Rockets significantly better with Harden at the 2 spot instead of Kevin Martin. The Thunder are still at worst the 2nd best team out West.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    Somehow, this is about L.A.?

  • Bombsquad21

    Rockets get something for nothing…again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    It’s a terrible decision based on emotion by Sam Presti. He could have tried to make another run at the ring and still traded Harden after the season. Rash decision will come back to haunt them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    Nope, the Spurs can beat OKC without Harden. This dropped them from 1st to 3rd.

  • 1982

    Hmmm… I have a very bad feeling about this for OKC.

  • Johnny

    james harden will make houston a stronger team, and hopefully a playoff spot

  • robb

    Harden f*cked up

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • justin05

    That was not smart. Houston might actually get a playoff birth this year now.

  • Mr. Wet

    holy crap, I shoulda drafted harden. His numbers just got a bump.

  • Dagger

    One of the most shocking trades I can remember. The draft picks are nice, but this is really a terrible decision for the Thunder; I thought they matched up very well with the Lakers and had a great shot at a title. Why would you ever give that up, even if you did lose Harden in the off season? I almost feel like there’s more to this story than what we know now.

    On the other hand, Daryl Morey’s strategy of assembling assets for a superstar really paid off.

  • Mr. Wet

    On a different note. I don’t think this is as terrible as it sounds. Good draft picks, martin can play, obviously not to harden status. But, Jeremy lamb is promising.

  • Caribbeancop

    It’s almost over for okc. well the west is handed over on a gold and purple platter

  • VanCityBBall

    with harden gone (unfortunately) this will mean the Serge Protector will have to be more than just that. hes gunna have to average about 12-15ppg imo now for okc to be up to par as before, which is obviously not good enough with almost seemingly every team getting better. this season is Chip or bust for OKC so this move is scary to me

  • http://twitter.com/Neitel_17 Nathan Agosto

    This dude Harden…man, he is a greedy person, not satisfied with what one’s have…..50 million to play basketball, dude, just pay me 5,000 a month and i’ll run the point for any team…i dont care what team…i would have take the 53 million for 4 years,…as a matter of fact, that is more money than what the US Army has paid me for the last 10 years!!! I hope when he gets to houston, he shaves that nasty a&& beard he got. As a man i could have not live like that.

  • bob

    dont both harden and kmarts contract expire after this season?? if this is tru the rockets lost 3 draft picks nd lamb for a 1 yr rental player this is terrible for the rockets smh

  • KipSmithers

    *head explodes*

  • 24

    Christmas came early for laker fans

  • O

    Seems like Harden wanted his money more than a championship and the front office acting more on emotion than anything else wanted to just send him to a place where he’d get his money but wouldn’t even smell a Larry O’Brien trophy just to spite him. I mean the picks they got are ehhhhh. Not exactly an even trade, even with the contract they’ll give him. Dallas and Toronto aren’t exactly going to end up lottery teams. At least they ain’t trade him to the Lakers. LA be getting superstars for bench warmers. Watch the Lakers get LeBron James for Steve Blake and Jordan Hill…

  • DonJan

    I think this trade might end up being like Deron Williams to NJ, Lamb will be a good piece and maybe even make people forget about Harden. Plus K-Mart will fill it up and not much else if he’s healthy

  • Perry the PlatyPteranodon

    THIS IS MADNESS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    No, OKC f*ucked up. Players want their money, especially at 23. This isn’t the 30 year old veteran who will sacrifice money to ring chase.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    This trade is ultimately going to depend on how good Jeremy Lamb becomes.

  • zogs19994

    JOE JOHNSON 2.0

  • http://www.facebook.com/qcollingwood Interdico Scriptor

    Not yet

  • http://www.facebook.com/qcollingwood Interdico Scriptor

    Uh… no

  • Mariano

    If he could get a max offer from other teams, why not?

  • roscoe

    OKCs management got a great deal. small market teams should remember this move.

  • macaroni

    Wow Jeremy lamb Is going to be nice but the Thunder should of been worrying about competing for a championship this year. Might have something to do with hardens finals performance. Oh well good luck to both teams. Smh

  • danpowers

    i like that move. they offered him an appropiate contract which he turned down. he will get offered a max contract but he didnt prove worthy of it yet. instead of having to deal with rumors dramas and what so ever they did the right thing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/qcollingwood Interdico Scriptor

    Holy smokes…Harden is goneski. Meh… dude is OVRRATED anyhoo. Seriously what’s all the hoo ha about this guy? He did jack in the ECF and v’s The Heat. Presti is smarter than people think… the L is full of Hardens. Give me Martin as a 6 anyday.

  • roscoe

    OKC is not a place many nba-ers want to be. i know they have kd, russ, great fans, but its the truth.

  • roscoe

    I agree. great move for okc.

  • KipSmithers

    This turn of events is very…Linteresting. *cough*

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    You have a lot of hate in your blood. Let the man get HIS money, and you WATCH the games like the rest of us.

  • C Da Tyrant

    We’re gonna find out a lot about Lin and Harden this season.

  • Redd

    Pretty lopsided, Martin has been on the decline while Lamb is unproven. Get mad at Harden for not showing up all you want but the guy was & is good. It just so happened he had a bad playoff. But he did go to the Finals & have experience. This is bad, because the Raptors nor Rockets will be a horrible team, so the Picks aren’t golden either.

  • jeff nwagbo

    There isnt a huge drop off from harden to martin right now and jeremy lamb could be really good one day. James Harden got his money OKC got great value in return and houston got a borderline franchise player everybody wins

  • Ugh

    Exactly – they get Lamb for very little for three years at least. Kevin Martin was the trow in on this trade.

  • LeroyShonuff

    Shhh… Your talking too logical for slam’s massage broads. People forget that Eric Maynor is now healthy and they get back lamb plus two unprotected first rd picks. OKC got a steal for a player who only had one good yr. Martin plus lamb and eric and perry jones with nick collison is a GREAT BENCH!!! Plus if Thabeet gives them anything they good money. And oh, Perry Jones too

  • justin05

    Name 8 teams in the West better than Houston’s current roster now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    smh…western conference…

  • Mr. Wet

    Harden will be a restricted free agent in 2013. He’s there’s for 5 years min. if they want him.

  • matt

    How is Morey making these trades? Jesus… BTW, the Thunder organization doesn’t have the money to sign Harden to that contract. Clay Bennet isn’t willing to pay the luxury tax at all.

  • Matt

    Reports are that Harden will be signed to a max deal. The Rockets got the star that they wanted along with a really young core, all signed to three or more years. The Rockets are looking like future playoff locks.

  • http://twitter.com/stepfdelaghetto Stepfan Raiford

    I like the lamb pickup

  • n0s

    How can someone be Joe Johnson 2.0 when they’re going to be getting paid half of what he is?

  • Redd

    Not really, they gave away a huge part of what they’re doing.

  • Redd

    Star? No…lol Harden isn’t a star yet.

  • Dagger

    The fact that Harden presumably wanted a contract that he knew the Thunder couldn’t afford does say something about him. For one, it says that he was disingenuous when he made comments about doing whatever it took to stay with his teammates in the Thunder. It says that he valued his paycheque above, for example, winning or chemistry. I’m not even saying that it’s not understandable, but it’s a different direction than many more talented or more successful players have taken recently (Westbrook, Duncan, Lebron, Wade and Bosh all left money on the table). In fact, Westbrook left some money on the table in order to allow the Thunder to resign Ibaka and Harden.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    again?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    xcept Harden is a way better team player…meaning they could go farther than the Hawks did with the right players

  • LeroyShonuff

    What superstar sir??? Harden is no superstar. Good player, but not a superstar. The harden over hype is real

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Massage boards. Let me find out you cats on here looking for happy endings.

  • big dad

    4.5 million contract difference. I think Harden didnt want to stay with OKC.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Rockets have a very solid, very promising young core right now. Not sure who will be active or inactive when the season starts, but they have:
    1. Lin/Livingston/Machado
    2. Harden/Cook/Delfino
    3. Parsons/White/Morris
    4. Patterson/T-Jones/Motiejunas
    5. Asik/Smith/Aldridge
    They have a real shot at making the playoffs this year… Morey somehow came through in the end (knock on wood).

  • LeroyShonuff

    Harden got his money, congrats. But he better not complain and whine when his team misses the playoffs and he is watching the playoffs like the rest of us, cause that is exactly what is gonna happen…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    So far in this thread you’ve made the most sense, Sean MagicJuan. Good stuff.

  • Bored

    man…what the hell are you talkin about?

  • robb

    I wouldn’t call $54 millions a sacrifice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/edmondvillanuevadmd Edmond Christopher Wong Villan

    He is a good player, but not a star. I actually liked the trade.. Kevin Martin will be a great catch and shoot player alongside KD. I’m curious for Lamb cause i think they are both the same type of player.

  • http://www.facebook.com/edmondvillanuevadmd Edmond Christopher Wong Villan

    Kevin is not on the decline.. He just didn’t fit well to McHale’s schemes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/edmondvillanuevadmd Edmond Christopher Wong Villan

    Harden was really terrible during last season’s finals. Outright terrible. It played a major factor, i think.

  • danpowers

    you always get back less when you give away a guy like harden. the problem is just that keeping him wouldve cost even more. they wouldve had to give away perkins ibaka westbrook or durant, one of these to be able to keep harden as he refused to sign the fair contract they offered him. now they got at least a 20ppg scorer in return and a couple of picks from a team that wont make the playoffs anytime soon. couldve went worse

  • Sean Juan

    Try 26 million dollars. From 52 million to 78 million. Does that change anything?

  • Dymez

    It’s messed up because I really wanted to see the OKC 3-man core stay together. It would have been fun to watch for the next decade, but OKC did real good in the trade. K-Mart is solid when healthy and Lamb has big time potential — he’ll end up being the future starting 2-guard for OKC. Plus OKC gets 2 first rounders; one of them from Toronto, so that’s a lottery pick. Then a second round pick from Charlotte, which will be a top 5 pick in that round, too. OKC definitely has the best management in the league, hands down. They are building a future dynasty down there!

  • Bored

    lakers, thunder, spurs, clippers, mavs, nuggets, grizzlies, wolves, blazers? jazz? and probably hornets based on potential.

  • LA Huey

    Why wouldn’t OKC just sign him to an extension, go for the chip this year, then ship him off in after the season before the luxury tax gets nasty? Me hopes this is the beginning of the Sonics curse just starting a few years later than it should have.

  • LA Huey

    Happy for you, Ted. It was looking mighty bland for a minute in H-Town.

  • LA Huey

    “berth”. And you’re right, there are only 6 teams CLEARLY better than Houston now. I would say 7 but it’ll really depend on how the Wolves fare without Love and Rubio.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They gave away the Western Conference.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Winner: Lakers

  • Dingo

    I’m surprised people hating on the Thunder, Martin is not just a throw in, he is going to fit nicely with his 3pt shots and ability to get to the line imo.
    I can see this working well with Westbrook. I haven’t see Lamb play as much as I would like but he has impressed mewith what I have seen. He has put on muscle, has a great wing span, can shoot and create his own shot.
    Some have pointed out Harden is a little over rated, I’d agree with that and agree that him and Lin will not be a dynamic force together at all.

  • danpowers

    nah, they’ll be fine

  • Matt

    Great move for the thunder in my opinion, if that lottery pick of the raptors ends up being someone like shabazz muhammad, andrew wiggins, julius randle, jabari parker or either of the harrison bros OKC will improve for sure!

  • TR

    thunder wont win the west now. martin however; has never been on a contender and is a straight scorer who could thrive as a 6th man. im interested.

  • Conor

    Martin is one of the most efficient scorers in the League. Offensively, he and Lamb – should the latter develop quickly – will compensate Harden. Defensively, while JH was overrated, they have worsened.

  • danpowers

    there is nothing worth having on this planet that you cant have with 52 mil dollar. that amount is enough to secure your own well being and this of your family for generations. besides that, he is worth the 50mil offer and he couldve been part of smth special. i dont know if any team will actually offer him a max deal but if so, i doubt that he will be able to live up to it. wish him all the best tho. i think i wouldve pulled the same greedy move. plus, i wouldnt like to live in a city like oklahoma lol

  • Conor

    Exactly. He is equal or better than Harden offensively, but his defence is far inferior.

  • danpowers

    thats not y playoff team yet. maybe if they add some pieces during next summer. a nice young core to build on tho

  • danpowers

    depends on westbrooks and durants development as players and leaders. their bench mob lost some efficiency but they are still a powerhouse in the league

  • danpowers

    i have that funny feeling that the three man core of ibaka durant and westbrook will be enough fun to watch in the next decade ;)

  • danpowers

    he is in good company there with lin tho. theyll be comforting and understanding each other pretty well during the next years lol

  • Slick Ric

    For real, people acting like he’s so much better than Kevin martin. I say Eric Gordon has a better shot at being a superstar than harden as well.

  • Zeta914

    Good move for both teams we all know what OKC can do but dont sleep on the Rockets.

  • initbruv

    Yeah I mean if he is unhappy with his situation in OKC that’s one thing, but if you’re happy in a situation and 53 million for 4 years isn’t enough money for you…that’s ridiculous. How much money does a person need to feel validated?

  • initbruv

    I think OKC is the winner in this deal. Harden is worth 54 mil for 4 years…nothing more.

  • initbruv

    Couldn’t agree more.

  • initbruv

    lol

  • initbruv

    Harden messed up.

  • initbruv

    Harden is no star.

  • Zeta914

    I dont think u seen the rookie that OKC got Perry Jones iii they can afford to give away haren with the addition of kevin martin.

  • iceman

    Big time Okc fan and I have to say this is a sad day, James is one cool cat, he’d come to local church’s, events, etc throughout the community, just real low key and humble, something I love about this team, definitely a fan favorite and I hate to see him and his beard leave us, no more fear the beard, I wish him nothing but the best in Houston.
    .
    He wanted to get paid, he got paid I cant hate on him for that, so James thanks for helping us get to the finals, now moving forward I like the pic’s we received, I liked the fact we avoided a Magic/Dwightmere situation for a year. and to those who think its going to be a cakewalk now for the Lakers that’s cool and I can definitely understand your optimism,you guys can have the spotlight well chill in the background till playoff time.

  • Redd

    I like Star Wars, especially the cartoon.

  • KBthaKilla

    Deuces.

  • http://www.facebook.com/qcollingwood Interdico Scriptor

    SLAM why u deleting all my piosts????

  • Redd

    20? No…his role will be incredibly shrunken because he won’t be taking as many shots not with Lamb coming in & Jones(neither of whom are proven). His defense isn’t at what Thabo gives so I feel Thabo will still start. Honestly, you can’t really think this was a good move.

    Those picks will be lower level 1st rounders because both the other teams will be decent.

  • Redd

    They’re not going into top 5 lottery genius, the Raptors are now a decent enough team.

  • Dnton

    Perry Jones III has to prove himself first. Harden already proved himself in the WCF. WIthout him, the Spurs move on the NBA Finals. Sure he choked a bit in the Finals but only KD had a statistically good run in the Finals. You betting on Perry Jones to become an all-star? Hope you didn’t bet the house.

  • Dnton

    Raptors pick probably gonna be a late first round pick. Thats bad for OKC unless they find a manu ginobli or tony parker ie don’t bet on it.

  • danpowers

    sure he wont be scoring 20ppg but he is capable to do so. so whenever they want to sit durant or westbrook the still have perimeter scoring. they can also let lamb and jones play on the sf or even shift martin to play 3 n go smallball. they got maynor to run the point, that will make up for hardens ability to create for others. sure thabo will start but he will be the first guy along with perk who will be substituted. theyll also give martin minutes together with durant and westbrook. that will open up alot of room for drives as martin is a lethal shooter. it might take some time to gel but this team will be fine i think

  • danpowers

    naaahhh

  • Dnton

    Him being as good as Harden has proven himself to be is highly unlikely.

  • Dnton

    A 20ppg scorer with bad vision, so-so basketball IQ and progressively worse FG% as his career goes by, also a terrible defender. I see Kobe munching on Kmart all day every day if LA and OKC meet in the playoffs

  • danpowers

    theyll play thabo and lamb on kobe and get martin out with the second unit. then maynor will set him and other guys up and martins only role will be to put the ball into the basket. his decrease in fg% didnt come due to a decrease in ability. expect his fg% and 3fg% to go up as soon as he bought into the offensive system.

  • danpowers

    theyll play thabo and lamb on kobe and get martin out with the second unit. then maynor will set him and other guys up and martins only role will be to put the ball into the basket. his decrease in fg% didnt come due to a decrease in ability. expect his fg% and 3fg% to go up as soon as he bought into the offensive system.

  • elmaar

    Well harden obviously didn’t want to be a sixth man. It was all about starting, being an all star. Money was not an issue. OKC offered him 55.5 which was 4.5 off what he would be offered somewhere else. And that Olympic invitation made him think that way even more. Wade made a brilliant move.

    But you never know. OKC got a lesser still proven scorer in KMart who’ll become more efficient playing alongside KD and Russ and a promising talent in JLamb, plus 2 first round picks in a lottery protected Toronto pick and a Mavs first round pick which could turn into a lottery one

    OKC, Lakers, Spurs, Clippers, Grizzlies, Nuggs all are safe bets to make the playoffs and Minny, Portland, Utah, Houston, GSW and Mavs are gonna be fighting for those 2 playoff spots.

  • Dnton

    @danpowers I buy thabo but I think Kobe will kill Lamb even worse than he’ll kill Martin. A rookie on Kobe? I know he is on the decline but he is still a superstar. Come on man, show some respect.

    And I will have to see it to believe if Kmart can make himself relevant again. He wont be getting as many shots or as many minutes and I don’t think he can play besides Westbrook, only Maynor.

  • Dnton

    Trust Toronto and Dallas to do decently well, Toronto has a decent team and don’t sleep on Nowitzki. So don’t expect any top 5 or maybe not even top 10 picks for OKC.

    Kmart has to be able to play within the system first and Lamb is very unlikely to become the player that Harden is right now. They could have just kept Harden for one more year and then matched whatever RFA offer was thrown his way.

    Bottomline: Clay Bennet doesn’t want to play luxury tax, good for him, feel bad for OKC. Didn’t see Harden making any noise about being a starter.

  • Redd

    He is a declining shooter. And they cannot afford to have a small line up with Howard. And I don’t feel they will. Anyways, there’s no way again you can say this was a sound & fool proof trade. They could’ve fished out a lot of deals before the season from teams. He declined the extension I believe yesterday or today.

    The same day they traded him, bad management.

  • JML-G

    well this was truly unexpected to me

  • Dnton

    Keep being high on Perry Jones. Just dont bet any money on him or Lamb being anywhere close to Harden’s skill level anytime soon.

  • coggie13

    As long as they have Durant they are a contender.

  • coggie13

    I disagree. He can no longer get easy points off KD and westbrooke. He now has to share the ball with Lin who is a turnover shoot first average point guard. Not sure how he will do against first team defenders, as he will be the main focus. His FG will dip I will say.

  • elmaar

    I just don’t see Dallas competing this year with a banged up and likely unmotivated Nowitzki and an average roster they have.
    What has made you think Kmart won’t be able to play within a system? outside his rift with Mchale he’s a multi year veteran who’s never had any issues. Besides he should thrive as a sixth man on a legitimate contender.
    And let’s not get too low on Lamb, while I’m not saying he’s James Harden in a year, he’s got the tools and the necessary attitude to be really good, having Durant and Westbrook helps a lot too.
    And yeah Harden did not make noise about being a starter but quietly acknowledged and wanted to be one cos you don’t reject an offer which is 4.5 mill of max if you are ok coming off the bench

  • coggie13

    its a pity KD is the Grinch..

  • pavol

    when he forgets how winning big & great team chemistry tastes like he will regret this..

  • Dnton

    I think it was more about the money, the perceived lack of respect and the fact that he didn’t expect the trade, no one did. He DIDNT DEMAND TO GET TRADED, SAM PRESTI PULLED THE TRIGGER (CAPS off). Harden would have been a starter eventually. If you don’t think that Dallas is going to make noise this year, you are crazy. You say that Kmart is a multiyear vet with hardly any issues. Dirk is a model of consistency, less injury-prone than Kmart and has no issues whatsoever. I say Dallas still has a shot for a playoff berth, and I’d think that most smart slam readers would agree with me there. You are being way too optimistic. Dallas wont compete for the WCF but saying that they wont make the playoffs or not be in contention for the playoff berth is a huge streeeetch. The toronto pick is far more legitimate since they probably wont be making the playoffs but I see them as anywhere from 9-11 this year so it prob won’t be a high pick either. Realistically, in a world where Dirk tunes out for an entire season, OKC can get maybe picks 8-10 (toronto) and 10-14 (Dallas)?

    Kmart can thrive or he can be unused to not logging heavy minutes and having to come off the bench. He is getting more and more injury prone as the years, and has become a progressively worse shooter too. I agree that this is the best team he has ever been on, but it’s on him to show up and fit the system. We’ll see, not counting him out but I want to see the evidence. Also he is so defensively terrible that Kobe and Wade are gonna have career nights against him.

    Lamb has the tools and the attitude to be a decent/good player but the way ppl are going on about him and PJ III make it sound like they expect them to be very good very fast. I’m a tad more realistic than that.

    I actually like the Thunder a lot but the fact that dirty Clay has potentially screwed over yet another franchise over money has me very rankled. Not like OKC weren’t getting endorsements, their TV deal sucks balls tho.

  • JML-G

    everybody says how good move this was for OKC, but clearly they took many steps back and now have to wait for another player to fill Hardens shoes b4 taking another shot at the chip.. small-market teams is so greedy and cheap, it aint funny

  • Guest

    @ elmaar Oh and with Kmart instead of Harden, OKC gets swept by the Spurs last season. Say what you want about his Finals performance but Harden carried his weight in that WCF

  • Thanatos15

    I think that’s exactly that Thunder is thinking. Pair K Martin with a now healthy E Maynor.

  • elmaar

    I am not going to argue anymore about Harden. That’s your opinion.
    And I didn’t say Dallas ain’t making the playoffs, I said they’ll be fighting for that spot.
    And I never at any point compared Dirk to Kmart.
    Toronto pick is lottery protected, brother.
    And you should just stop this illogical nonsense.

  • GC6

    This is a great trade for thunder are going to have a excellent dynasty Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb not forgetting Kevin Durrant and Westbrook are young too.

  • Dnton

    Way too high on Lamb and PJIII, why don’t you let them log a full season before crowing “Dynasty”

  • Dnton

    @elmaar:disqus I know you didn’t. But if you cite Kmart has that kind of player, DIrk is that and even more. And if Dallas is fighting for the playoff it means their first round pick aint gonna be high.

    The Toronto pick is lottery protected. The lottery goes from 1 -14. The chances that Toronto gets a shot at 4-6 pick is only if they bomb damn badly, I don’t see it happening. I already said the toronto pick will probably go 8-12. It ain’t illogical, if you refuse to see the logic behind it. And you’re so high on Kmart that its unbelievable. You call me illogical and nonsensical but you don’t prove my fallacy or call out any of my points. I am arguing seriously but if you are just gonna ad-hominem without backing yourself then its your call homie.

  • neaorin

    But then you have to deal with the distraction of your third best player complaining all year that he didn’t get extended, while the other big guns did.

  • shutup

    Agree 100% without Harden I see them as low as the 4-5 seed LAL, Spurs, LAC then Memphis/OKC. Harden is the punch that made them special, Durant and Westbrook are amazing but having a starting 2 guard come off your bench is immeasurable in this league, ask the Spurs.

  • Irishway’s

    Jermey Lin and Harden been a while since I watched the Rockets play hopefully they get some coverege this season.

  • danpowers

    i dont think it matters much how many shots kobe is going to jack up against whoever. the lakers will win and lose by their bigs. not necesserily by kobes shooting.
    and sure, martin wont put up 20 a night. its enough to have one guy on your bench who consistantly gives you 10-15points per outing and have a big scoring night every once in a while and thats what martin will give them. it doesnt matter that he cant guard kobe, as he will play with the second unit. thabo will guard kobe. or maybe even westbrook. they will maybe also throw double teams at him as he tends to shoot against these instead of passing. ibaka and perkins are the thunders keys to success against the lakers. perkins proved to defend howard very well in the past. maybe ibaka improved as a post defender to limit gasol or make life at least tougher for him. that gives the thunder a big advantage above other teams facing the lakers: they dont need to double team the lakers’ bigs.
    on the other side of the floor there is no way anybody could contain durant (not even tapered mwp) or westbrook. as both will slash and score and dish almost at will. if i was a lakers fan id be more concerned about howard and gasol getting into foul trouble against the thunder.

  • danpowers

    me too, the old 3 movies and the animated stuff. that episode one two three stuff was horrible tho

  • danpowers

    the thunder are fine by putting ibaka and perkins on gasol and howard. not many teams have this luxury. they can go small when the lakers rest one or both of their two bigs.

    the thunder did not improve by that trade, sure. i am only saying it could have been worse. what they got in return didnt worsen their team in a way that they couldnt compete anymore. i like that move, really. i wish the magic wouldve done the same with howard same with the nuggets and anthony. these dramas are distracting us fans, the players, chemistry, everything from the game. i dont want that sh*t anymore. so kudos for that. harden got offered a big deal and he didnt want it. so ship him. plain and simple.

  • Harlem_World

    Harden messed up. Winning brings in more off-court money which he just lost. It will take another year or two for the Thunder to replace what he brought as they were ring-ready this year, which now takes a slight step back, but they will get back to the Finals within 2 seasons. Harden, on the other hand, gets to play with Jeremy Lin. Houston now possesses the most over-rated 1-2 punch in the league. Harden is good, but not great. Lin is average not good. Houston, at best, are first round outs for the forseeable future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    Thank you sir. I;m just waiting on LakeShow to come disagree with me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    I’ve seen Perry Jones and I’m not sold at all. I don’t think you are either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    You could be right but I haven’t heard any reports that Harden is complaining or anything. If he was though I would have to agree with you. Melo and Dwight are to blame for this type of nonsense nowadays.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    Agreed, but not the favorite. They went from being the favorite to a contender and that’s going to be a tough pill for the OKC fanbase to swallow.

  • ….

    Durant is not gonna like this…There goes their chance of making it to the finals again this year..

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    If you can get 78 million it is.

  • ctk

    24,5,n 6 i expect nothing less …cant knock u for gettin your money …now its time to get it done….If Houston can get to 35wins then he did his job for season one

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    This Perry Jones love is puzzling to me too. I think people are ignoring his last 2 college years and remembering the high school “phenom” that was supposed to be Durant/McGrady like.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    I’m calling it early. Terrance Jones for R.O.Y.

  • Dagger

    Maybe you’re right, but I think he will be one sooner rather than later. His combination of play making and scoring is rare.

  • Dagger

    Yes. I loved the way they matched up with the Lakers.

  • Dagger

    The best summary I found is by Tom Haberstroh: “definitely a bad move for the short term, and potentially a good move for the long term. There’s just no two ways about it: The Thunder just lost an Olympian and got very little in return for this season. Kevin Martin is a brittle, one-dimensional player who might be the worst defender at his position. This is about a small-market team seeking future flexibility. Remember, the Lakers earn $250 million a year off their TV deal, but the Thunder make only about $15 million from theirs. Presti has to play a different game, thanks to the harsher CBA that was supposed to help his cause.”

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If Durant can teach Lamb anything at all and speed up his progression, this trade will work out long term. The 1st round draft picks will be good for them. Martin’s contract is up at the end of the season so this trade depends heavily on Jeremy. This puts them behind the Lakers and tied with the Clippers. If I’m Kevin Martin, I’m happy to finally be on a winning team. If I’m
    Lamb, I’m happy to be able to learn from the best scorer/2nd best player
    in the league. If I’m Durant and Westbrook, I’m a little pissed. I thought they would give that team one more shot at it. I’m surprised Harden didn’t take the deal that was just $4 million less than the max. He and Jeremy Lin alone won’t be enough to get another superstar to play with them in Houston in my opinion. So he’s now going to be the 1st option on a mediocre team. I would have taken the $55 million deal and stayed on the best team in the Western Conference. But his head was obviously elsewhere. Sam Presti is cold-blooded. First, Jeff Green. Now, James Harden.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Long term, if Lamb and Perry Jones work out, the Thunder will be a young, extremely scary squad for years to come.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Westbrook took less money than he’s worth maybe thinking/hoping that Harden eventually would too. Who would have thought that Harden would show himself to be more selfish than Westbrook? He’s well within his rights to get whatever he thinks he deserves, but wow. If Russ wanted to be selfish, he could have waited until he was a free agent and gotten a superstar max deal. Harden may be overrating himself.

  • Mikeallmighty

    I see what some thunder fans beefs are with this deal, but I like it, a lot, you get a proven scorer, a young player with lots of potential, and next year when they are on the clock with the probably 12th pick I would think, everyone will be even happier and then the year after!

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    They gave it away for this season. They definitely took a step back. Unless Durant and Westbrook go off crazy, they won’t be back in the Finals this season.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Easier road to the Finals.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Westbrook took less than he could have gotten. I’m surprised Harden didn’t follow suit given that he’s not the caliber of player Russell is. But I guess he is in his mind.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    He must be a little heated. He probably thought his friend and teammate would also take less money and stay with the team.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You do know that the Thunder play in the West, right?

  • Gonn

    And then people wants to compare Harden to Ginobili.Manu was a gold medalist when he took less money to stay in San Antonio instead of going to Denver.He could have been part of a dinasty in OKC, just like Manu in San Antonio

  • Mr. Wet

    I think he’ll see a lot of matchup against opposing teams point gaurds. Lin i a big guy and they’ll probably gaurd each other’s counterpart a lot. I think Harden will see a bump in ppg, but you are right. He will probably see a lower fg%.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    I’m still shocked that okc traded away harden

  • Caboose

    Nah don’t worry, the Lakers aren’t involved. Lake will be fine.

  • roscoe

    you’re correct. they did give a huge part of what they’re doing, but okc management realized that harden was not going to stick around and they had more leverage to strike a deal b4 this season begin bc harden is such a valuable player. for a big market team this was a bad trade, but for a small market team it was a great move, imo.

  • Bored

    yeah but k mart can get to the foul line too and he shoots a high percentage from there

  • esmooth

    this was a great trade for both team….harden can finally go on a team where he has the chance to become a star and not live in the shadow of durant and westbrook………okc got k martin who can flat out score and will easily pick up jharden scoring void…..and maynor is back so they have another playmaker…..they got first round picks which could become something special who knows…also lamb can come something special as he learn from kmartin and westbrook how to be a effective guard hes onli 20 years old……..also people callling harden greedy….so what…..you could never have too much money in this world…and he wanted a better deal…cause im pretty sure if everyone was in his shoes they would take more money point blank….god forbid he could get injury and he out of the nba and that extra money can help carry him through his life.

  • shockexchange

    ‘Til that dog catch a rabbit … that dog don’t hunt

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Nov. 28. Rockets at Thunder.

  • shockexchange

    They both gave away a lot. Remember, there were two parties (Harden and OKC) who could have created value for one another. By signing a less than max deal, Harden and OKC were poised to return to the WCF. Now, OKC has to rely on unproven players and Harden got his max deal, but will play in obscurity for a long time. With endorsements, Harden had the potential to make more in OKC than he’s making in Houston. The deal OKC offered was more than fair.

  • pavol

    he will then waste that big cash on things to keep him happy anyway…

  • shockexchange

    That’s what happens when you try to dis the Shock Exchange

  • JackPackage

    How can people think this was bad for OKC? They tried to re-sign him at a fair price, he declined and they traded him for a good deal. Lamb and two 1st rounders are going to keep OKC elite for the next 5 years at least, throw in Kevin Martin to fill in for Harden this year and it is a great deal. James Harden is overrated, not worth a max contract. And I’m a Seattle Sonics fan, if anyone would want to hate on OKC it’s me… But I can’t, they did the hard but right thing here and extended their already large window to win a chip in.

  • Conor

    Cormac McCarthy-esque.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange hopes the media doesn’t post article after article of (i) Harden’s whining, (ii) how poor Harden is so talented and playing in obscurity, and (iii) how underrated Harden is. The reason these guys make these poor career decisions is because they have hangers on and sycophants there to co-sign this nonsense. From here on he is will known as “Larry Hughes Jr” – a guy who will only be remembered for making a lot of money in the L.

  • shockexchange

    Meaning?

  • Rainman

    Exactly. Lakers are officially the clear favourites in the West.

  • Rainman

    LOL

  • Rainman

    completely agree. They offered Harden basically the same contract they gave Ibaka, what more could he ask for? He wanted his money and obviously was BSing when he said he’d accept less to be a part of this teams core. He got what he deserved. Going to a team that has a second round ceiling for the next 5 years, rather than competing for a chip for the next 5 years. Good stuff.

  • Rainman

    not blazers, not jazz, and not Wolves due to injuries to their 2 best players to start the season, and not the Mavs because they’ve lsot Dirk for 5 weeks (although i do expect them to make the playoffs)…so, no.

  • PJ

    what if the army said they’d relocate you to do the same job somewhere else for an extra 4.5 million dollars?

  • initbruv

    Initbruv likes shockexchange’s candor.

  • Da Real

    Harden will be exposed this year as an average scorer. He thought his beard would get him a max deal and Presti said gtfoh! Pelinka thinks all his players deserve the max and he is buggin. No way Harden will eat with defense focused on him and not Durant/Westbrook

  • danpowers

    cosign

  • Rainman

    Why isnt there a tweetcap of players reaction to this trade yet? ESPN already has one!, Come on Slam! lol

  • Shem

    Harden is good no doubt about it but he hasn’t proved to be worthy of a max contract. What happened to the days when teams only offered their best players max contracts?

  • LeroyShonuff

    The pics plus Kevin Martin and Lamb is huge. And they was able to move cole which sam was tryna to do. If at the beginning of last yr, Harden was offered for Martin straight up, everybody would of been hyped for OKC. Now they get Martin, Lamb and 3 first round picks and people saying OKC lost this trade??? Amazing. OKC traded a dollar for a dollar and seventy five cents.

  • justin05

    The Clippers and Spurs benefit from this trade as well. It would have been a Spurs v. Heat Finals w/o Harden last season. Lakers still need time to figure out how they are going to mesh, they’ll finish as a 2-3 seed either way.

  • justin05

    Idk about “elite for the next 5 years” but it definately wasn’t a BAD trade. Way smarter than the Howard trade to LA lol

  • justin05

    You right LA, berth, my bad. Thanks for the correction. I think Houston steals the 8 spot but Spurs, Thunder, or Lakers will take them out in 5 games easily.

  • justin05

    The Blazers roster is a little better in my opinion but idk about the Jazz or Hornets. The Mavs will not make the playoffs, mark my words. Therefore Houston only has to compete w/ 2 or 3 teams and they aren’t much worse.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If Lamb works out and Perry Jones becomes 80% of who he could be, they will be one of the best 2 or 3 teams in the West for the foreseeable future.

  • TR

    Anyone think we’re underestimating KD and Westbrook right now? They could one day be the 2 best players in the nba. They’re only 23 and 24.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Basketball games are only 48 minutes. Idk why everyone thinks all 3, (Martin, Thabo, Lamb) will all get significant minutes….cuz that ain’t happenin.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    MARTIN DOESN’T SCORE IN ISOLATION. The Thunder will have to run plays for him, which means changing their offense to cater for a bench player. I think it’s more likely that RW plays a heavier amount of minute away from Durant while Maynor takes on a much bigger role in the offense. At least that’s the only way I see them still competing with LAL.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rjem7 Ralph Joseph Mijares

    i don’t even know why james harden rejected the $53 million offer for 4 years. he’s set to make $13.5 million a year. who makes that kind of money anyways? does he really think he’s a max player? get that money but cmon now. you can just opt out on your final year and get more money. it’s that easy. if he accepted okc’s offer and continue to get that W, players get bonuses on top of that. sheesh. in winning there’s more cash.

  • Redd

    Clone Wars is amazing & reminds me of the days of Saturday morning cartoons.

  • danpowers

    yup thats whats going to happen. they didnt improve through that trade, no doubt. but they will be fine and still a contender on paper.

  • danpowers

    i think its most likely that thabo will get minutes to play against the opposing leading scorer and whenever durant and brook need a rest theyll put martin out there to provide scoring. its not like the thunder went from contenders to lottery teams through that trade

  • danpowers

    word man

  • jmo

    I say they the bulls get rid of boozer in the offseason nd sign harden . rose and harden

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    They went from “favorite” (imo) in the Western Conference to “contender” – I never like tacking a step back for the future in the NBA. Too many unpredictable things happen not to strike while the iron is hot. So I don’t support this trade.

  • GC6

    They were both potential first picks I don’t know how on earth Perry Jones dropped to 30th allot of dumb general managers if you ask me.

  • kosey

    aww come on what about westbrool or durant getting hurt what they offered is alot of moola…wanted all that monies for part time play.

  • danpowers

    you would have prefered speculations and distractions, all that soap opera drama – as we saw it most recently in the d12 case – all season long instead? because this wouldve been what would have happened from the moment that harden turned down the thunders offer.

  • Redd

    Best conversation on this site ever..

  • zogs19994

    J LIN = 23% IN THE PRE-SEASON????!!!
    I KNOW PRE-SEASON ISNT SHlT….BUT STILL

  • ant

    Bottom line is OKC offered Harden something below is market value. Granted it’s still a large sum of money, but no one would leave 15-20 million on the table.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yes. They are professionals. If James Harden being a free agent causes Drama then OKC should have just put it behind them. — and I’m not even saying this trade won’t ultimately benefit OKC..is the Toronto pick lottery protected? They could end up with a great piece. But I still don’t like giving up any advantage at success today. Tomorrow is to unpredictable as it is.

  • Caboose

    It’s simple: sacrifice 2012-2013 to LA or Miami and win in 2014. Which I firmly believe they will.

  • YM

    What has Harden done to prove that he’s a max contract player? Played well against another teams bench?

  • YM

    What did they sacrifice? Traded a 12.7 ppg (career) player for a 18.4 ppg (career) player, who is much more proven than Harden… AND got Jeremy Lamb AND draft picks… and they sacrificed?! wtf

  • YM

    James Harden ppg in his 3 years in the NBA: 9.9, 12.2, 16.8 for a career avg of 12.7 ppg…. Playing against other teams benches
    You’re probably the same guy that thought Rashard Lewis deserved a max contract

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Chemistry. They sacrificed the 6th man of the Year. Let’s not act like Harden is easily replaceable. He is pretty proven after 3 years. He hit big shots against the Spurs in the WCF. What big shots has Kevin Martin hit? Does he have a killer instinct? Harden does. At least for this season, they sacrificed the team that was 3 wins from a championship just 4 months ago.

  • Caboose

    So it’s career average that matters? Ok, the Nuggets should trade Iguodala (15.3 ppg career) for Vince Carter (21.4 ppg career) right? That’s such a nonsensical argument dude.

  • YM

    Alright, let’s use a couple of stats based on last year to get my point across.

    Jason Terry, 6 man a few seasons ago. Last year averaged 15.1 ppg. Accepted a contract w/ C’s for 3 years worth 15 million.
    Ray Allen, 14.2 ppg last season, $9 mill for 3 years.

    Those 2 are legit proven players. James Harden had 1 good year and is getting paid because people think he’ll improve big time. This is called “speculation”

  • YM

    This is exactly what I’m talking about… Otis Smith vision.

    You’re comparing killer instincts as perceived by you? Do you have some kind of scale you base this off of? Chris Paul or Kobe Bryant? How the hell can you tell who has more killer instinct?

    I’d say OKC did a damn good job of replacing Harden. If you’re not familiar with Martin, just take a look at his numbers throughout the years. And really, Martin didn’t have the opportunity to hit “big shots” because he was never on a contending team. The guy has been putting up good numbers for 7 seasons…

  • Caboose

    Haha I have NO idea why you think those random stats prove your point. Are you legitimately trying to argue that Kevin Martin is better than Harden?

  • YM

    You really don’t understand why I’m comparing those contracts? Is it that difficult to connect the dots? The point is, that in the NBA these days, players show potential to becoming something great and get paid before they become great. This has been pattern for the last 10 years.

    And sure, I will argue that Kevin Martin is better. Harden comes off the bench, plays against the other teams bench and is good at that. 6 man of the year, I give him that.

    Kevin Martin has been starting on shitty teams. Since his 3rd year in the league, he has been posting approx. 20+ ppg against other starters for 7 SEASONS.

  • Caboose

    Of course I understand that young players get overpaid because of potential. But that is not relevant to the discussion. You think Kevin Martin is better than Harden for this upcoming season? Career really doesn’t matter at this point (of course Martin has had a better career so far) because we were discussing NEXT SEASON. So let me at least attempt to enlighten you.

    1. Harden had more Offensive Win Shares, Defensive Win Shares, and Win Shares per 48 Minutes.
    2. Harden had a better Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating.
    3. Harden shot a better FG%, 3P%, TS%, and EFG%.
    4. Harden averaged the same amount of points per game on 3 less shots.
    5. Harden averaged more rebounds and assists.
    6. Harden had a substantially higher PER.
    7. Harden averaged more steals and more blocks.
    8. What Martin did better: .3 more ppg, .4 less turnovers, and 5% better at the free throw line.

    If you’re going to make an argument, at least come with something substantial.

  • Mr. Wet

    starting on shitty teams says a lot more. He’s been the man on most of those teams. So his “career” ppg’s average is with him being the first option for most of them.

  • Mr. Wet

    harden is a RFA.

  • Mr. Wet

    He has the right to accept whatever the hell he wants. And yes, if you look at comparable contracts around the league. Harden is a max contract player for his elgible pay scale.

  • Mr. Wet

    max conract is misleading. it’s the max a guy coming of his rookie contract can make. He’s still making less than westbrook and kd.

  • Drig

    Smart move by OKC. Instead of committing about 80% of the cap space for 4 players regardless of how good they are, they traded away one of them, lost their edge in the short-term over the Lakers but can now field a much more balanced team 2013 and beyond. Smart move by Harden to earn cash when his stock is IMO at its peak in the L.

  • Ugh

    He’s a good scorer with a championship background where he wasn’t The Man. That’s what they want.
    If he’s half as good as Harden but comes at one third the cost – both of which are conservative estimates – OKC has come out of this trade the winner.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Answer the question. How many pressure shots has Kevin Martin hit? Harden hit quite a few. Martin has never been on a winning team. It’s different scoring on bad teams than it is having to score on a team that is expected to win the Conference. Did I mention Chris Paul or Kobe? I said Harden can play well under pressure. We’ve seen it. We haven’t seen it from Martin. So all of these folks acting like Kevin Martin is equal to James just because he’s scored well have lost their minds. You said it yourself. He’s played on bad teams. He has to prove he can perform well under pressure. They traded a guy who showed he could. They will miss him. At least this season. Period.

  • Bigbeats23

    Jeremy lamb is gonna be the next rudy gay same school smae body type expect lamb has a better jump shot rudy had a little more athleticism I think okc will be bomb the next few years

  • danpowers

    lol

  • danpowers
  • Bored

    yeah hornets is a long shot due to unproven talent. idk about the mavs not making the finals but i’m saying they have a better roster even without dirk. you’re right though, its tight. I just think there are 8 teams with a better roster in the west, even now with all the injuries.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003246310246 Jason Carter

    nuthin to find out about lin, he sucks and a T.O. machine obviously, dont buy the hype, Harden yea you have a point

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003246310246 Jason Carter

    OKC just lost a playmaker and another slasher, they were a jump shooting team before and it just got worse. what are they gunna do when the game slows down in the playoffs and those jumpshots aint falling, harden used to get to the rack, and get his, or create shots for others, not to mention K-mart doesnt play defense or rebound as good as harden, idk man this trade can work Great, or fail drastically, we’ll see

  • Bored

    I see what you’re saying about injuries but which players are making the rockets better right now? Harden, obviously but Lin? Im a fan but we dont know what to expect from him yet. Asik is going to be good for them most likely but we dont know what he is going to be like as a starting center. He avg’d 14 mins last year. Patterson is good and Parsons should produce similar to last year. Machado, Jones and White are really good rookies for them but they are still rookies. Cook, Delfino, Douglas, Hayward, Aldrich, Livingston and Morris are on some pretty steady declines. Some much more than others. I just dont know why people are jumping on the rockets right now just because of this Harden trade. It’s like people forgot they lost Kmart and Lamb.

  • Bored

    I see what you’re saying about injuries but which players are making the rockets better right now? Harden, obviously but Lin? Im a fan but we dont know what to expect from him yet. Asik is going to be good for them most likely but we dont know what he is going to be like as a starting center. He avg’d 14 mins last year. Patterson is good and Parsons should produce similar to last year. Machado, Jones and White are really good rookies for them but they are still rookies. Cook, Delfino, Douglas, Hayward, Aldrich, Livingston and Morris are on some pretty steady declines. Some much more than others. I just dont know why people are jumping on the rockets right now just because of this Harden trade. It’s like people forgot they lost Kmart and Lamb.

  • Bored

    haha, what has Terry and Allen have to do with this? at all?

  • Bored

    I think @ecb3f771d4c3e2c58ec9c3edb2bfbb49:disqus, you should have stuck to the Harden playing benches bit because that was the closest you got to making sense in all that writing.

  • Bored

    also, its pretty obvious who has more killer instinct between Harden and Kmart

  • Bored

    scratch that, the Wolves dont have a better roster without Love and Rubio. Blazers though yes.

  • HARDENSUCKS

    JAMES HARDEN IS A SELFISH PIECE OF CRAP WHO WANTS KD MONEY FOR DISAPPEARING IN THE PLAYOFFS. THEY MADE A GOOD DECISION SENDING HIM AWAY, HE SUCKS ASS!!

  • Kohlberg

    True, but it takes more than two great players to win a title. OKC found that out the hard way this past June.

  • http://twitter.com/Neitel_17 Nathan Agosto

    That would be impossible because its not real. You basicly asking me to “imagine if the army would pay me 4.5 millions” and im not going to play imagine this or imagine that. First of all, the job i hate in the army actually sucks, so i wouldn’t do it anywhere else. I would had to have been pay 1 million dollars at my first contract, then we talk re-locations.

  • http://twitter.com/Neitel_17 Nathan Agosto

    that harden is greedy and he is never satisfied AND that harden needs to shave that nasty a** beard. I hope metta world war elbows him again.

  • http://twitter.com/Neitel_17 Nathan Agosto

    I only hate him, the utah jazz and dallas mavericks but the rest of the nba is ok. I dont watch too much nba nowdays, enjoy them for me since you love watching them with the rest of the world.

  • http://twitter.com/Neitel_17 Nathan Agosto

    it’s about loyalty…but then again, i guess thunder didnt want to spend no money…looks like houston won on this and thunder got some fake #23, whom is ok…but he aint no impact defense player like harden was…

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