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Tuesday, October 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  201 responses

Kobe Bryant Says This is the Most Talented Team He’s Been On


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Over the span of 16 seasons, Kobe Bryant has played alongside plenty of talented ballers in Los Angeles. Numerous All-Stars, current and future Hall of Famers have helped Bryant win five NBA championships, but he’s apparently never seen anything like this year’s Laker team.

According to Kobe, this is the most talented squad that he’s been a part of.

Reports the LA Times:

Kobe Bryant was also there in El Segundo, make no mistake, saying this was the best team he’d ever been part of “on paper,” the catchphrase for managing expectations uttered by almost everybody of significance Monday.

“On its face, it’s the best talent I’ve been around,” said Bryant, entering his 17th NBA season. “Whether that translates into winning a championship, that remains to be seen. But just on paper, you’re obviously talking about defensive players of the years, MVPs, All-Stars. You’re talking about a myriad of things where guys are on top of their position and have been at the top of their position.”

Talent and star power aside, chemistry is what will determine how successful these Lakers can be. And for what it’s worth, the team’s two biggest forces (Kobe and Dwight Howard) think they’ll get along swimmingly on and off the court.

As Kobe Bryant points out, there’s a big difference between talent and finding the secret sauce that leads to winning a title.

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  • Kilo

    The team does look great on paper, but the team with Malone and Payton was talented too, and they lost.

  • the king

    SO WHAT Heat and OKC or Heat and LAC Nash as 2 old CP3 will eat him up Westbrook will do the same The Heat are the new Bulls NBA fans o hell yea

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    ill cheer for them once blake acts his age

  • Nope

    ya they’ll cross him over and drive right into the paint where….. dwight howard and another 7 footer are posted up… :/ easy peasy right?

  • ajmaj

    miami heat is still the beast of the NBA..Lakers are still slow and wont catch up with the Clips or the Thunder..

  • spit hot fiyah

    the old shaq teams had some great role players, but this team is top heavy

  • Thomas

    Can’t wait to see these guys carry Kobe into another Championship and watch Kob act like he friggin earned it.

  • gusisit

    a game has never been won on paper

  • Malik

    MIke Brown is the weak link.He’s no Phil Jackson.

  • RKJ92

    That’s why there will be ego issue’s between kobe and dwight you’ll see..

  • Drig

    Just like Jordan, Magic, Bird etc. right?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Dwight is prone to get into foul trouble. And Gasol isn’t exactly a deterrent at the rim. Westbrook, Durant, Harden, CP3, all of those guys will be getting to the rim easily against LA. Kobe is no longer able to stay in front of guys the way he used to. Who is backing up Dwight and Gasol? I see them getting to the WCF but having a lot of trouble with OKC and ultimately losing. Their frontline would destroy Miami’s, but Metta isn’t capable of doing anything with LeBron anymore. D-Wade is a better overall player than Kobe is and has been for a good 3 seasons. They have no one who can guard Bosh since Gasol isn’t nearly as quick as he is. I’d pick Miami over LA if they met up in the Finals. But I see another Miami/OKC matchup in June. I’m also intrigued by Kobe saying that this is still his team. Not only the words but how he said them. I hope that doesn’t mean that he still plans to shoot bad shots while he has a superstar and other stars around him. If so, LA may be done in the 2nd round against a team like Denver. As for the comparisons with the 04 team with Malone and Payton, those two guys were extremely old and headed out of the league. Kobe and Nash are old, but Nash is a different kind of PG than GP was. And Kobe is still great enough to do what he needs to do. He just needs to concentrate on closing games now more than anything else which is why he shouldn’t exert himself too much on the offensive end until the end of games. Let Nash run the game. Catch and shoot. Get Dwight and Gasol the ball down low. Possibly win one or two more championships if you can get past OKC and ride off into the sunset. Simple.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Now that I think about it, didn’t Kobe reportedly say that it was now Dwight’s team during the Olympics right after the trade happened? Now he says it’s still his? Strange.

  • rainman

    they lost with Slava Medvedenko as their starting Power forward. KArl malone basically didnt play in the finals (other than a bit in one game). People tend to forget that. Despite all the chemistry issues, had Malone been healthy i still think LA woulda gotten past that and won, just based off of talent alone. This year is a whole different issue, the league has more superpower teams(ala the Heat), so chemistry is gonna really count.

  • rainman

    Also, 04 Gary Payton was NO Steve Nash of today.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If they win it, they won’t carry him. He’ll be an important part. Just not as important as he was in his previous championship seasons.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Very top heavy. No one to back up Dwight and Gasol. Only bench players worth mentioning are Steve Blake and Antawn Jamison.

  • Omnixyience

    You haven’t seen MWP today, just think about this 276 down to 255.
    Watch the photos of their media day earlier then you’ll see.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    Smush Parker would like to call shenanigans on this.

  • nick

    haha and kwame brown

  • Max

    Jody Meeks and CDR aren’t to bad as backups and you have Jordan Hill who has some talent hidden inside of him.

  • http://twitter.com/SupermanayrB B!

    On paper…….. ’04 was an on paper team as well, hence the reference.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    His size isn’t the issue. He just can’t deal with LeBron James, period.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Compared to the benches of other great teams, they’re last. Miami, OKC, the Clippers bench is loaded.

  • Max

    But the starters are better.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    There will be more of a drop off when their bench players are playing than there will be for a team like Miami or the Clippers. When Dwight is in foul trouble and Kobe needs a rest, what will they do? Will Steve Blake run the offense well when Nash is resting his back on the sideline? Whereas with a team like the Clippers, if CP3 is out, Chauncey can step in and run the team. If Blake is out, Lamar Odom steps right in. Jamal Crawford will back up Chauncey. The Lakers have a great starting 5 but championship teams have good or great benches.

  • RKJ92

    Thats the thing.. Kobe isnt a Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson or Larry Bird.. They were all wayyyy better then him. If I was starting a franchise and had to pick from those 4 players Kobe wouldnt even be a thought in my mind I’d easily go Jordan > Magic > Larry > Kobe, in that order.

  • RKJ92

    I couldn’t agree more that was very well put.

  • Conor

    Hill for Howard, Jamison for Gasol, and Meeks for Bryant are all very good backup solutions.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Jamison is an undersized PF. Meeks for Bryant…that’s a huge dropoff. Hill is solid but he isn’t half of the defensive presence Dwight is.

  • shockexchange

    Horry Jr is way too modest. Given the watered down NBA, Pau Gasol / D12 at the same ____ time … two skilled 7-footers at the same ____ time, MWP (at one time the best player on the planet), Nash and Horry Jr may be the best team in the history of the L.

  • danpowers

    nobody in the legue can. i think its more about stopping the rest of the heat. so id be more concerned about bryant being able to stopp wade as a lakers fan.

  • Redd

    I’m happy about this team. Now Kobr can never ever be compared to Jordan. This ruined his legacy.

  • danpowers

    but this isnt the coachs fault. kobe and shaq had their ego issues too even though jax was coaching them for years.

  • biggieman

    It just shows how spoiled and lucky Kobe Bryant is that this is even a question… Who else in the history of the league has been lucky enough to play with so many HOF’s and All-Stars!!?? Im sick of it! Kobe is a product of his surroundings, put him in another city for his career and he’s just another great player with NO RINGS!

  • danpowers

    the 2004 lakers were the most talented team kobe was ever on. but also the best example that championships are not allways won on paper. sometimes a tough role player is more valuable than a former star trying to play a smaller role. it is a great team tho, but howard is nowhere near shaq. prime-shaq alone was more dominant than the whole lakers frontcourt of today.

  • danpowers

    no player ever won a championship on his own. kobe has had more talent around him than most other champs but it is not that he was lazy or relys on others, he is also etremely competative. a guy of his caliber wouldve won at least one chip on his own.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It doesn’t take much to get Wade going. At his age, I don’t see Kobe guarding Dwyane effectively to the point where he’s unable to get to the basket. The thing about LeBron is that when he’s doing what he does, not only is he scoring but he has the guys around him playing their best. It’s not possible to handle both LeBron and Wade when they’re hot at the same time. Wade is a good playmaker himself. It’s easier to contain a guy who’s just a scorer. What will any team do against a lineup of LeBron, Wade, Ray Allen, Chris Bosh and Rashard Lewis? I just think the Heat are too dangerous for anyone.

  • danpowers

    true, they are scary. i put it pretty short but cosign what you said. there are not many ways the heat could be beat. the lakers only chance is the howard matchup. but only if they keep him out of foul trouble and take advantage of the doubleteams the heat will have to throw at him. i think that is a big if tho

  • RKJ92

    Ya, that is understandable but Phil Jackson also won 3 championships with them something unattainable without managing their personalities with a high degree of coaching ability, hell he even managed Rodman! could you imagine Mike Brown trying to coach Rodman that would be so funny to watch!

  • justin05

    I don’t think so. Kobe will only play 2 more years so after that it’s up to Dwight to carry the Lakers. Maybe we can bring in Russel Westbrook in a few years and then oh shiit once again..

  • http://www.facebook.com/therealkenNY Kenny Wu

    You REALLY going to get mad that Bryant has had a top notch behind him his whole career? No player has ever won by himself, and nobody has ever won multiple championships without a top notch front office. Luck has nothing to do with it, it’s all hard work, from the front office to the front court. Nobody has ever won a game by name and jersey alone.

  • justin05

    lol talent hidden behind him? I’m a talented basketball player but Jordan Hill would whoop my ass 1-on1. He’s a professional for a reason. You offseason slam fanboys don’t really know much about basketball. I can’t wait for the season to start so all of the regulars who know what they are talking about post commets.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Bill Russell.

  • justin05

    Chris Bosh isn’t half the defensive presence Dwight Howard is that is a vacuous statement. Huge dropoff? When Lebron sits for the heat Mike Miller is a huge dropoff, when Russel Westbrrook sits Derek is huge dropoff… Not a baller son..either is the toronto fan. where are all the intelligent ppl at?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rig.veda.94 Rig Veda

    I know Kobe wants to be relevant, but Kobe does not know while the whole world know that. I know he is still marketing himself for his future like MJ and I can appreciated that. However, his ego has become exceeding his talent. This is the second chance the Lakers has put together a great team, please don’t “f” it up again! Put your sh$t in the locker and play ball like a team of 5. We all know you’re great and look man, nothing will undermined that ever. You will be like shit just like MJ after you retired, but nobody care. Your greatness will always be remember! Play the game and don’t hold the ball longer than 3 second. There are four other players that need to improve their stat!

  • Kadavour

    And Chris Mihm

  • Kadavour

    Rodman was a character off the court, but ANY coach of ANY era would want his effort and selflessness on the court. Dude would get you 15rebs, lock up his man, and pass the ball with pleasure. How is such an individual uncoachable?

  • RKJ92

    I’m no offseason fanboy and neither is byanymeansnecessary, we both know a lot about basketball most likely even more then you do.. I can also add that we have been posting for a long time and idk about him but I have league pass and I watch as many teams as I have time for and when im not watching games and im at work im either on slam or espn so thanks for your bunk analysis on us but that clearly is not the case here.

  • RKJ92

    So Clearly you have been living under a rock? he played well yes but I was talking about MIKE BROWN not being able to control him at all if phil could barely do it, why dont you do me a favour? youtube dennis rodman and tell me he doesnt sit down in the middle of a game at the half court line, kick a camera man, commit numerous SERIOUS flagrant fouls, Leave games without reason, and talk shit to Phil Jackson with no leg to stand on.

    Then get back to me kay? ;)

  • Junior Taylor

    Actually, Kobe is right on this one. That 2004 Laker team had 2 HOF that were way past their prime (Malone/Payton) and a feud between Shaq/Kobe that damn near tore the team apart.

  • RKJ92

    I mean clearly you think Mike Brown can handle that :D

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Who mentioned Bosh? I didn’t. We’re talking about the Lakers bench, not comparing the Lakers and Heat. But if you want to bring up the Heat, when LeBron sits, Wade is usually playing. Now, Wade and LeBron can be sitting but Ray Allen and Chris Bosh will be playing. Not a bad lineup. Derek Fisher is no longer on the Thunder. When Westbrook sits, Eric Maynor now is back as a solid backup PG. And “Where are all the intelligent ppl at?” isn’t a question that truly intelligent people ask.

  • headlines

    Nope. He never said that.

  • danpowers

    lol, well… i think they wouldve had their… issues

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    Travis Knight also

  • shockexchange

    Cosign Junior Taylor. Remember, everything is “relative” Today’s league is more watered down. To have stockpiled Pau Gasol / D12 at the same ____ time is darn near criminal.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    That’ll be interesting to watch..

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    I agree

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    Agree with you in this

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    Wades getting old too. Hes losing his touch… Isn’t he like 31 now? I’d say wade and Kobe cab match up speed wise

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    ever played tic-tac-toe?

  • LakeShow

    lol

  • LakeShow

    What planet was that on?

  • LakeShow

    Brian Cook is rolling in his grave…

  • LakeShow

    Ooh, and Luke Walton, ie the poor man’s Brian Scalabrine.

  • LakeShow

    There are players that can??

  • LakeShow

    Pau Gasol averaged over 2 blocks in the playoffs. He is a decent rim defender. Compared to Dwight he isn’t, but that speaks for most. Pau has averaged 1.7 over his career.
    Jordan Hill averaged 2.6 blocks per 36 mins.
    So, yes they do have other rim defenders besides Dwight.
    Kobe is better than D-Wade and has shown that in his head to head match ups.
    MWP guard’s LeBron better than 90% of the L.
    Bosh’s “quickness” has never been a problem for LA.
    But your free to your view.

  • LakeShow

    Ever heard of Jodie Meeks? Christopher Douglas Roberts? Jordan Hill?

  • LakeShow

    Their starting lineup is 1st though…

  • Drig

    This is idiotic lol……

  • Drig

    So tell me how many contending teams in the 80s and 90s were/are clearly better than the Celts, OKC, Miami and to a lesser extent, Spurs of this era????

  • Drig

    The same can be said for OKC and Lakers and Spurs and Celtics.

  • Drig

    And how does that in any way make it okay for those guys to have great teams and not Kobe?? He’s gonna have a lesser load this season but that is something LAL need him to take care of. Just like the rest of the big 4.

  • Drig

    Jordan Hill is pretty decent although he racks up fouls pretty quickly. Sacre is going to be on the team. Meeks will provide shooting but little else. Same with Jamison. Ebanks is gonna be good. Blake is gonna return soon too. The fact of the matter is, LAL managed to stay in teh convo without any bench for the last 5 odd years. Improving your O and your D AND getting a bench at the same time doesn’t make you very top heavy. They don’t boast the depth of the Clips or the Celts but they have a pretty decent bench………on paper.

  • Drig

    Pretty sure that two of Metta-Dwight-Pau-Nash-Kobe are gonna be on the floor at any given time. Now, do you think Wade-Allen-Lewis is much better than Dwight-Nash-Meeks/Jamison/Ebanks ??? I don’t think so.

  • Drig

    Lakers in ’03 and ’09 and ’10 had pathetic benches. Kobe and Nash will not be sitting at the same time. That is a given. Blake will be handling PG duties when Nash takes a breather alongside Kobe. Now, when one of our top 4 are injured and one more is in foul trouble, that is when we’re gonna be in trouble. But I don’t see that happening for more than 3-4 games max this season. And it’s unfair to compare the team with teh most depth in teh L to the Lakers. A better comparison would be the Celts esp. when you consider that we didn’t even have a bench last season.

  • Drig

    We also stockpiled on MikeB / half-decent bench to level the playing field. :P

  • realTalk

    They were all wayyyy better? Its unreal how many people think players like Jordan, Magic, and Larry are all WAY better. Your crazy if you don’t think Kobe could contend with these guys.

  • shockexchange

    Lots. Celts, OKC and Miami were all top heavy with no bench. The Spurs were really deep, though, and any guy could beat you on a given night. That said, you could take the top 12 teams in the NBA from the ’80s or ’90s and they would split each one of those teams’ wigs.

  • shockexchange

    Here we go with the “Mike Brown can’t coach” nonsense. Phil had Pau Gasol / Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time, Odom, MWP and Horry Jr. he still got sent packing early in the playoffs. Don’t blame Odom, Gasol, Shaq, Norm Nixon, or Fisher, blame the “chuckwagon who’s had the benefit of playing on teams with exceptionally more talent than the rest of league.” If you still need a scapegoat … there’s always Phil.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Actually, he did. Said it while being interviewed at the Olympics. You just didn’t read it.

  • headlines

    Did you? If so, do you have a link? If he said something to that effect I’d think people/media would be quick to popularize it.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Dwight and Nash and one shooter against Wade/Bosh and two shooters? I’ll take the latter.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Starting lineup doesn’t play the full game. Be a little objective if you can. At some point, Dwight will be in foul trouble given that the Lakers perimeter defenders won’t be able to keep the likes of Westbrook, Durant, LeBron, D-Wade and every other slasher from getting to the basket.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Also, one of those shooters that Miami now has is the best 3 point shooter in the history of basketball if you’re going by makes.

  • Redd

    How? Everyone else has been saying the same. Lol

  • Redd

    Lakers fans were talking about how the Lebron only won because of the Heat having 3 superstars, now the Lakers have 4 Allstars(3 superstars) and its different? Kobe’s career will now never compare to Jordan’s. Truth hurts.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Okay, so let’s say Blake and Kobe are playing together…are they going to be able to run the same offense that they run with Nash in the game? Is Blake going to look at Kobe and not give him the ball when he’s demanding it? Nash has Kobe’s respect to the point where he won’t demand the ball from him most likely. Point being that the offense will probably turn into Kobe shooting bad shots while Nash is out of the game. It is fair to compare the Heat to the Lakers when folks are saying that the Lakers are the best roster on paper when if you look deeper than the starting 5, it’s not true. I’ll take a deep team over a team that has the best starting 5.

  • LakeShow

    Yes, which is why we have discussed how they actually have a bench. Jordan Hill and Antawn Jamison is a potent backup front court. Pau Gasol is a better Rim defender than you give him credit. So to act as if Dwight is the only Post player on the team is ridiculous.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You say that as if those three guys are consistently candidates for 6th man of the year lol. Hill had a few good games last season. CDR has yet to do anything noteworthy. Same with Jodie Meeks. Face it. The Lakers bench isn’t nearly as good as the Heat or the Clippers and the Thunder’s bench isn’t that much better, but they’re better.

  • sheldon

    Lakers sucks…Kobe sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Gasol is still a finesse player and even more so on the defensive end. That’s what he is. Dwight is the only post defender worth talking about. That’s not ridiculous. It’s the truth. Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant had a lot of trouble getting to the rim against Bynum and Gasol during this past postseason didn’t they? Dwight is a better defender than Bynum, but he won’t stop those guys from wanting to finish at the rim. Guys know that Dwight is prone to fouling and there’s no other defender on that team worth worrying about.

  • LakeShow

    Well versed argument.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Compared to the frontcourts of the other great teams other than Miami (who doesn’t really need a big frontcourt given that LeBron makes up for everything they don’t have), the Lakers backup big men are significantly worse than the Clippers backup bigs and the Thunder’s bigs. Look at the 3,4 and 5 positions. Lamar Odom alone is better than both Jamison and Hill. Ronny Turiaf isn’t a scrub. Grant Hill is still solid and an above average defender. Matt Barnes is irritating on the defensive end. David Ebanks compared to Grant Hill and Matt Barnes? The Clippers are just a deeper team, period. If Perry Jones actualizes 70% of his potential, he’ll be a solid rookie this season. Paired with an underrated Nick Collison. Better than Ebanks, Jamison and Hill.

  • http://entelleckt.com/exclusive-mp3 Entelleckt | Mike Wyatt

    meaning 04 Glove actually played defense?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Wade is 30. Not nearly as many miles on his knees as Kobe even with the procedure he had done last summer. Wade is a lot faster and quicker than Kobe.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    No. Which is why if the Lakers get past OKC and meet Miami, I don’t think they’ll win. LeBron and Wade won’t be stopped.

  • LakeShow

    Antawn Jamison hasn’t had the chance at 6th man of the year because he has always started. He has a good chance at it this year. He averaged over 17PPG last year.
    Jodie Meeks shot nearly five 3 pointers a game a season back and hit 40% of them. Career 37% 3 point shooter. He also hit’s his free throw’s 9 out of 10 times. He is a very good backup guard.
    CDR has shown a ton of potential and has shown himself to have some NBA worthy talents, your right that he hasn’t done anything noteworthy. But he has shown the ability to do note worthy things. Jordan Hill has shown that he can be a solid back up. He has put up numbers when given the minutes.
    Everyone know’s that being deep is over rated in the playoffs anyway.
    It’s whatever man, your free to your opinion, just know that Lakers fans are very pleased with the bench.

  • http://entelleckt.com/exclusive-mp3 Entelleckt | Mike Wyatt

    Think back almost 10 years to the last ASG Jordan was in…that was “twilight” Jordan. Now imagine the current Kobe playing ’92 Jordan.

  • http://entelleckt.com/exclusive-mp3 Entelleckt | Mike Wyatt

    @drig:disqus you realize Nash doesn’t play defense, right?

  • http://entelleckt.com/exclusive-mp3 Entelleckt | Mike Wyatt

    *makes Russell Westbrook pull up jumper motion*

  • LakeShow

    Yes, just as the Lakers starting front court is severely better than the Clippers.
    You have no idea if Odom is going to be a 6th man of the year player or a 6 points and 2 rebounds in 15 minutes guy.
    If he is the same as last year in Dallas, Jamison is twice as good as he is.
    Ronnie Turiaf and Jordan Hill are the same player…
    Grant Hill is too old and has never had a consistent long range jumper, which the Clippers team needs with the loss of Foye.
    Barnes was fairly irrelevant in his entire time with the Lakers. That coming from a guy who loves what he does bring to the table. With that being said, don’t expect anything noteworthy from him.
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    I can do this deconstruction with every team.

  • LakeShow

    Naw man. Gasol is a solid defender. Hill is a solid rim defender. Jamison is an awful defender, but there’s a reason why he

  • http://entelleckt.com/exclusive-mp3 Entelleckt | Mike Wyatt

    Why do the Lakers get past OKC (& LAC and San Antonio) now?

    For all of Nash’s offensive ability, he doesn’t defend worth anything. Howard and Bynum are close production wise (Howard is +1.9PPG, +2.7RPG, +0.1BPG, -20%FT).

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe is not better than Wade. I understand being a fan of a team but there comes a point when it’s just crazy to not even entertain ideas and opinions that are different than your own. Look at the stats. Look at FG%, assists, rebounds. The only thing you can say that Kobe has done better than Wade the past couple of seasons is score. He didn’t even score better, he just scored more. He shot more to score more. Not nearly as efficient as Wade is. When a player’s efficiency starts to drop off, it’s a sign that he’s becoming less of a great player. MWP can’t handle Durant, so he surely can’t handle LeBron. It’s cool to love Kobe, but not one person can look at the past 4 seasons of his and Wade’s career and argue effectively that Kobe is still the best all around SG in basketball. In Wade’s best seasons (05-06, 06-07, and 08-09) he was basically a 27, 7 and 5 guy shooting 50%. In the two seasons before LeBron got to Miami, D-Wade averaged 30 pts, 5 rebs and 8 assists shooting 49% from the floor and 27 pts, 5 rebs and 7 assists and shooting 48% from the floor. Tell me what Kobe has done the past couple of seasons better than Dwyane besides score more points. I could even argue that last season if D-Wade had played more games, it would have been a better season than Kobe’s even with Wade only averaging 22 (by choice after giving the team to LeBron). He still shot 50%. Kobe’s career stats are 25, 5 and 5 and 45% FG. D-Wade is 25,5 and 6 and 49% FG. These numbers are very easy to find and watching the games and how much of an all around impact D-Wade has on a game compared to Kobe is also easy to do.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    They would have a lot of trouble with all three of those teams you mentioned.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    Wade was hurt last playoff season.. He’s supposed to be 100 now.. I wana see him perform well again

  • Max

    Yes, he has hidden talent or in other words he had potential.
    Why else would he have been picked no 8 overall?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Who was Jamison playing with besides Kyrie Irving last season? Who else was going to score for that Cavs team? Being deep is overrated in the playoffs? Tell LeBron James how overrated that Miami bench was last season after Mike Miller hit those 7 3′s in the Finals and helped them win a championship. Tell the 08 Celtics how overrated their bench was. Or Isiah Thomas’ Pistons teams with The Microwave. Or any team Robert Horry has ever played on.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    When was Lamar Odom a 6 points and 2 rebounds guy? Surely you’re not counting last season when his head never left LA. No one in their right mind thought that that was the real Lamar Odom playing last season in Dallas. Grant Hill has been a good defender for a while. The Clippers need scoring from their bench? I guess Jamal Crawford was signed just to get Gatorade for the guys.

  • danpowers

    i was only talking about talent. not about all circumstances.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Gasol is so solid that so many people talk about his defensive prowess, right?

  • Max

    I just think you’re underrating the Lakers’ bench a little bit.
    Sure they aren’t as good as those of other contenders but I think that bench + that starting line-up will be enough to beat Miami and OKC.

  • LakeShow

    Awh, I see your line of thinking.
    So Marcus Camby isn’t a good defender right? I didn’t hear anyone talk about him last year so he must not be good…
    Gasol is a very capable defender. Think Bosh plus better rim protection.

  • LakeShow

    Well seeing as how he was 2 PPG behind his career average with those 17 ppg last year, it doesn’t look like he was forced into a scoring role does it?
    Your right I said benches do not matter whatsoever in the playoffs. Nice straw man argument bud.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The only thing that matters is if their bench is able to compete with Miami and OKC since a championship is all they’re playing for. I don’t think they’re capable of beating Miami. Miami is more secure if anything happens to one of their better players outside of their best player. If D-Wade gets hurt, LeBron’s game is one that will allow not only himself but the other guys to step their games up especially Bosh. If Kobe gets hurt, who steps in to score consistently? And they’d struggle with OKC also in my opinion given that they want no parts of running up and down the floor with those guys. And the pressure that they would put on Dwight at the rim would certainly get him in foul trouble. There may be a problem when you have 3 guys in the starting lineup who want and need the ball and one guy who has to decide who to get the ball to. Compared to the Heat who have 3 guys who need the ball but one of those guys is able to not only get himself going but also everyone else on the floor.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You’re comparing Marcus Camby to Pau Gasol defensively? People didn’t talk about Camby last year but they did plenty in the years before that. No one has ever said anything about Gasol’s defense. That’s the difference.

  • Max

    Cool, Only that Dwight doesn’t really need the ball that much.
    I think he’ll get at least as much looks like he did in Orlando.

  • LakeShow

    Your only as good as your last season.
    Remains to be seen what Lamar Odom shows next year.
    Crawford is solid. If you like your players shooting 37% from the field.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You said everyone knows that being deep in the playoffs is overrated. Which would mean that every championship team who has won had an overrated bench.

  • LakeShow

    False. If you don’t think Gasol is an above average defender that is on you. It’s called a FACT.

  • Max

    Forgot to say that alot depends on how Kobe will adjust his game.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You’re only as good as your last season even though everyone in the basketball world knew that you never wanted to be traded to the team you were playing for and you were allowed to leave the team before the season was over? Okay. That makes sense.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It all depends on how Kobe will adjust his game. If he lets his teammates do what they do and doesn’t try to shoot too much, they’ll be fine. He has to move the ball and help Nash get Gasol and Howard involved. If he does, they get to the WCF at least. If he doesn’t, I can see them losing in the 2nd round. I think Dwight will want the ball as much as if not more than Gasol especially since his offensive game has improved.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    An improving jumper making him more unstoppable

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Who cares or even asked about you? When you say that you can’t wait for the regulars to return, what you really mean is you can’t wait for people to come and maybe agree with you.

  • Russ=Greatness

    Its gonna be the Lakers and Heat bottom line. And what an exciting finals it will be! I cant wait!

  • LakeShow

    Weird deduction you made there.

  • LakeShow

    Glad you think so.
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  • LakeShow

    Well done.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The Clippers think so too which is why they signed him. Had they only considered his season in Dallas, they wouldn’t have signed him.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Following your logic, it’s the only deduction to make.

  • LakeShow

    Dallas thought so too.
    Odom isn’t young anymore. 32 going on 33.
    Fact is that he is not is good as he once was.
    Remains TBD if he will be a solid player off the bench for them or if he has lost his 6th man touch altogether.
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    37%

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    No, it’s called an opinion lol. What is a fact? You think he is an above average defender? That’s an opinion. Do you not know the difference between a fact and an opinion? Being a defender is about more than blocking shots. When you’re 7’0 with a longer wingspan, it’s quite easy to get your hand on a few shots.

  • LakeShow

    Defending is about more than blocking shots???

  • http://www.facebook.com/rig.veda.94 Rig Veda

    Luke Walton is a great player. He utilize all of good attribute, where as everyone is not. I don’t think you should classified him that ways.

  • LakeShow

    “Luke Walton is a great player”
    you have to die knowing that you uttered those words!

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Ah…the age argument…I could make the same argument with Kobe and Wade. Kobe isn’t young anymore. He’s not as good as he once was. He’s 34. I won’t do that though since I know how sensitive that issue is for you. If you think that Odom is significantly worse than he was 2 seasons ago when he played for your Lakers and averaged 14 and 9, I think you’ll be proven wrong this season. He only played in 50 games last season. I don’t think he forgot how to be a great 6th man that quickly. And it’s not like he was freakishly athletic before anyway.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    So says the man who just tried to say that Gasol is an “above average defender” by only bringing up his blocks lol.

  • LakeShow

    So says the guy who says Gasol isn’t a good defender and backs it up by…
    bringing up nothing…

  • Junior Taylor

    Why does Kobe feel the need to inform everyone that the Lakers are “his team”? Everyone and they mama knows that he’s the leader even though no longer the best player on the team.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    What’s there to bring up other than watching him play? Who fears him? Who mentions him as being someone who you have to concern themselves with on the defensive end of the floor? When I think of Gasol as a defender, you know what I think of? Blake Griffin dunking on him viciously twice in the same game last season. Or Durant dunking on him. He’s just soft on that end of the floor. Softer than he is on offense. People can talk about one of Griffin’s dunks being an offensive foul, but if Gasol were tougher he would have put Griffin on his back instead of looking at the refs after the player asking for a call.

  • LakeShow

    Opposing teams that’s who is concerned with him defensively. Having a 7 footer that is mobile at the PF position is a bonus defensively. That’s basics.
    So when Blake Griffin dunks on Dwight Howard what does that mean? Howard doesn’t defend well?
    So far we’re really making some progress…

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Name one team who has said something about fearing Gasol on defense. When has Blake dunked on Dwight? Only going by what has actually happened.

  • gusisit

    meant a basketball game smartass ahahahh ;)

  • HOOSIER FOR LIFE

    haha yeah nash’s D will have kobe shittin bricks

  • LakeShow

    Name one team that has said something about fearing Chris Bosh on defense. Or Dirk. Or Marcus Camby…
    Blake has dunked on Dwight, and many other great defenders and shot blockers… It happens.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I’m not attempting to prove that Bosh or Dirk are good defenders lol. I never said a word about either one of them. You’re the one trying to say that Gasol is an above average defender. And when did Blake dunk on Dwight?

  • ezra

    looks good in the papers, i still consider their best line up will be the line up of shaq kobe, fisher, glenn rice, ron harper, rick fox, robert horry not to mention their great coach the zen master, phil jackson..lakers have to win some rings to prove this, they have to go through a team named miami heat!..

  • rosoce

    To be fair neither will Bron bron or Kd careers ever compare to MJ…
    in my book Bron bron & kd both failed in the finals which dqs their @ss’ from ever being considered the greatest to play the game. How can you be the greatest if you failed on the biggest stage when someone else, ie MJ, never failed on that stage.
    As far as this era… total rings is all that counts. MVPs/Allstar selections/scoring titles/1st team honors don’t mean squat… half of those awards are life time achievement awards that look great on magazine covers, no offense slam.
    Welcome to the party.

  • roscoe

    it is more of a case of the LA circus-media asking probing-story generating-questions than kb24 putting a stake in the ground imo.

  • LakeShow

    Well they are good defenders and you don’t hear teams talking about fearing them. That’s the point.
    It was last year. It wasn’t a big dunk and some people wouldn’t say it was “on Dwight”, but the fact remains that Perkins and Mozgov are good to great post defenders and those dudes got demolished by Griffin. What does getting dunked on have to do with defense? Nothing. Sometimes great defenders get dunked on. You ever seen Shaq wave his finger at Mutombo after slamming it on him?
    It happens. Has nothing to do with good defense.

  • LakeShow

    “the LeBron”
    Awesome lol..

  • roscoe

    @Entelleckt | Mike wyatt: If you are going to be critical of nash at least analyze dh12 as a backstop w/ nash on the floor.

  • roscoe

    @drig:
    mbrown was one of Pop’s guys & if Pop stands behind mbrown idk why you can’t. The only challenge I truly see on the horizon for mbrown after having time to infuse his system is dealing with the LA media which has been known to crush players & coaches over the years.
    Go back and review what mbrown did with CLE & you will find he is an impressive coach. Not just anyone gets to coach the Lakers Drig.

  • Datkid

    LA would’ve won had Kobe just given the ball to shaq and stopped jacking up bad shots. Shaq was shooting a blistering 60-65% from the field while kobe shot like 4 more shots at like 43%. The pistons were a good team but they really should not have won that.

  • roscoe
  • TheWhiteMarkPrice

    Chris Douglas-Roberts wont make it outta camp. He will be cut

  • headlines

    No it’s not. That link said it would be Dwight’s team in 2-3 years, not NOW like ‘ByAnyMeansNecessary’ asserted.

  • robb

    Da Labron

  • robb

    Mike Brown can’t handle his own d*ck

  • LakeShow

    Most likely correct. Which goes to show the Lakers have a solid bench because CDR is a good young player.

  • Pais

    And it goes a little something like this…hit it…With Brown being such a weak personality, Kobe will easily set the standard for the tone and focus of this team. Nash is someone who’s capable of figuring out how to work with the larger than life #24, both on and off the court, effectively tempering the elephantine force that is Kobe’s ego. In fact the contrast of these two personalities is likely to be the biggest factor in the Lakers upcoming onslaught. Look for Nash to provide the Zen that Phil brought to the team previously, (Zen=special ingredient in championship secret sauce). Dwight will be more than happy to fall in line and be on the receiving end of countless highlights, meanwhile not have deal with the entire responsibility of his teams success. In conclusion, by the time thanksgiving rolls round we’ll all unanimously refer to this team as the greatest group of guys in the universe to ever play a sport, game, or participate in some sort of physical activity.

  • Pais

    You can’t look to the Kobe and Shaq experience for clues as to how #24 and Dwight will mesh. Too different, Kobe and Shaq being of relatively similar age with relatively similar years of experience and the same, Unicron planet eating type alpha charged egos. It’s a miracle it ever worked at all. Dwight will automatically defer to Kobe without question. Also let’s not forget, Dwight is the biggest kid in the league and kids don’t like responsibility, apparently it’s enough if people simply ‘like him’.

  • Willis

    Whatchu talking about?!? yes steve nash is all star but hes a grandpa, pau gasol is soft at times, so we got 2 legit starts kobe and dwight. Jordan had Pippen, then later on rodman… Jordan and Pippen, is basiclaly like Kobe and Lebron on the same team, so even though Jordan didn’t have as much “stars” around him, scottie pippen was one hell of a star.

  • Redd

    Lol shut up, mobile commenting:(

  • Redd

    Being old doesn’t matter if you’re playing we’ll genius, and since when was Pippen traded to the Bulls? Stop it, you sound lame.

  • Chaim Jesse

    Anytime u can get minutes in the clutch with Shaq and Kobe then you are not a bumb!

  • http://twitter.com/iskolares Edcel Ceniza

    MJ has bever failed on “that” stage? You mean to say for the years MJ has played, he has a championship year after year? WOW!

  • mark

    @REDD…Jordan didn’t have a stacked team? Tony kukoc, Scottie pippen, Steve kerr,Dennis rodman?? Yeah okay… Kobe bryant has carried the lakers many times, and without stacking a team. Lebron and Jordan can not be compared to Kobe bryant. Period.

  • http://entelleckt.com/exclusive-mp3 Entelleckt | Mike Wyatt

    @0108e7e2de2e38f4e946dc555b6799aa:disqus you are absolutely right. Dwight is a great defender. He defends the paint arguably better than anyone left in the league today. The 0.2 BPG difference b/w him and Bynum last season doesn’t do justice to their defensive differences.

    However, neither Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Josh Harrellson, Mario Chalmers, Mike Miller, James Jones, Shane Battier, Chris Bosh, nor Norris Cole have problems taking the 22′-8′ jumper. Nash surely isn’t guarding Bosh or Wade. Ultimately someone will be open for the midrange or 3 point shot when Nash loses his man and Miami has plenty of ppl who can make that shot.

  • Haslem

    you can definitely make an argument that Shaq, Malone, Kobe, Payton was a better team ‘on paper.’

  • nick

    haha lake show has clearly seen Luke walton choke on a fat one haha

  • BrownJesus

    Kobe’s last championship team was arguably the least stacked of all the teams you are comparing.

    Yes Kobe’s injuries have made him a shell of the athlete he once was, and no he’s not as good as Jordan (no one is/was), but give credit where credit is due goddamn

  • pposse

    i highly doubt antwan jamison will do anything for the lakers. He always been good on bad teams, never was he good on a good team. The Lakers have a good team.

  • Salty

    Bravo sir

  • danpowers

    i think mj wouldnt cosign you on your point of view

    “I’ve missed over 9,000 shots in my career.

    I’ve lost almost 300 games.

    26 times I’ve been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed.

    I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life.

    And that is why I succeed.” -michael jordan

  • Drig

    It’s the media trying to get things stirred up in Lakerland. I mean, which self-respecting media person would ask nash whether he showed off his two MVPs compared to Kobe’s one. And ask for his reaction? :

  • Drig

    There’s one problem there………Kobe was injured…….And yes, the team didn’t look good at all. It looked like it lost a gear with all that fatigue piling up on them. MikeB last year showed that he couldn’t manage the minutes of his starters ( mainly Kobe and Pau ) and put regular season wins and position over the Clips over building a bench in the regular season……which was a more pressing issue for last year’s Lakers’ team. Next, the triangle ( when it wasn’t brushed aside by Kobe ) did manage to create better spacing which was key. And while LAL’s D at hte start of the season was impressive as heck, he didn’t make the right changes in the POs IMO. And his substitutions did leave my head scratching many a time during hte regular season………..just like Phil’s TO. I’d be the happiest person in the world if MikeB proves me wrong and takes this team to the Title but so far, he has looked like an average coach who instills sound defensive principles. Ego handling? Not quite close.

  • Drig

    OKC has no bench??? Celts have no bench with Bradley and Green?? So you’re telling me 12 teams in the NBA from the 80s were better than the ’08 Celts?? Name me 10 teams that would take the Spurs or OKC.

  • Drig

    As long as Allen doesn’t have his knee issues that is. And it also depends on whether Lewis can return to playing like the Lewis of the old.

  • LakeShow

    You spelled bum, “bumb”
    Argument over.

  • LakeShow

    What good team was he on?

  • nick

    Jordan had pippen and rod an, and for a star, kukoc was the man of Croatia, led his team to the gold medal match……if pippen and rod an weren’t superstars, what were they?

  • nick

    i don’t think mj would Co sign you*
    Did you go to school?

  • shockexchange

    Pick the top 10 teams in the playoffs in any year of the ’80s and they would beat every one of those watered-down teams you mentioned. In the ’80s Avery Bradley would still be in college and Jeff Green would in the CBA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Linda-Singleton/100000221405027 Linda Singleton

    Kobe knows what it takes to win a championship with the players he has had, so I wouldn’t sell him short on this new Laker squad. He is intelligent and knows how to relay what he wants to say without being cocky or over-confident. This newly assembled squad have “very hungry” guys that championships have eluded and barring any injuries, they are going to be mentally tough to beat. There is nobody, in my estimation, that is more mental than Bryant.

  • danpowers

    english aint my mother toungue, i also dont live in an english speaking country. so i apologize and do the best i can to improve it.

  • Willis

    i really didn’t mean it in that way. i never said pippen was traded to the bulls…. all i’m trying to point out is that jordan and pippen is more or equal to dwight and kobe. 2 reliable stars. nash doesn’t have the defense pippen had so nash is only reliable on the offense. pau, well idk about pau because he can be beast and sometimes be mediocre

  • romey rome

    i think the lakers should pick up iverson!!

  • Redd

    OH Rodman was on the Bulls with MJ & Pippen since the get go?! Didn’t know. The Bulls grabbed one All-Star & Kukoc was the man in Croatia, not a NBA All star, big difference.

  • Redd

    Nash is a superstar as is Dwight. They both joined Kobe, they weren’t made into stars with Kobe. That’s the same as the Heat…STOP IT lol.

  • black pinoy

    he had a great hairstylist

  • black pinoy

    this is so effing funny its not legal

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/K5AOM2HH6I23FLLLHVA3LE63KM Malcolm

    MIAMI will beat them. regular season and playoffs. lf LA can beat the thunder to get to finals.

  • Slick

    And then you woke up

  • wikipedia

    pippen was dafted by the sonics traded to the bulls for polynice.

  • wikipedia

    he was the 6th man of the year while playing for dallas

  • pposse

    aberration…plus that happened 10 yrs ago.

  • Redd

    Yeah, and? It was a good trade by management.

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